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  1. Troy no I do not think most meaning more than 50% of Black people know how to farm Exactly. So where is the argument? As far as fishing, I would be willing to bet 51% of Black people have some experience fishing. even if they don’t they can learn in 30 minutes or so. I'm not sure about that. Are you including all Black women and all Black folks born and raised in major cities in this demographic? But you never needed “most” people to know how to farm or fish you just need enough people to support the rest. Ok. You're right. Now....do we have THAT? Do we have enough AfroAmericans who know how to farm and fish to feed our community here in the U.S.? I was surprised that you would reject that statement and supported by saying that most Black people don’t know how to fish. I'd agree that we don't need WHITE folks to teach us, but we need SOMEBODY to teach us...even if it's other AfroAmericans who know how. As we've already agreed upon, most of our people DO NOT know how to properly farm or fish to generate enough food to feed our entire community, let alone enough to actually sell food to other communities to help support them and make money for ourselves. The question isn't whether or not we can learn. Most of us were farmers and knew how to grow our own food, build our own houses, and sew our own clothes when we were living down South over 100 years ago. My GrandFather actually built the house my Mother and her siblings were raised in and my Grandmother sewed their clothes. We're not talking about then, we're talking about NOW.
  2. Because it doesn't make sense to you, does that discount it as a possibility? If you study Near Death Experiences and those who come back with messages, one of their explanations as to why people come into THIS Reality and go through some of the hardships they go through is to gain EXPERIENCE. Kind of like how a person appreciates wealth more if they've experienced poverty, as opposed to one born and raised in the lap of luxury and may be easily bored with it.
  3. 1. It is widely known that the ONLY qualification for being a Christian is accepting Jesus Christ as your "lord and savior". So yes...being brought up with Christian parents or in a Christian society and loosely believing in Christianity is sufficient. You don't have to be a fundamentalist. Now whether one is a "good Christian" or not....I'm sure has qualifications based on one's behavior and adherence to the different rules depending on your denomination, but most Christians would agree that simply accepting Christ as your lord and savior is sufficient. 2. Moses, Pharaoh and the others have next to NOTHING to do with Christianity because most Christians only use the Old Testament as a reference pointing to the New Testament. From a scholarly point of view...... These are what could be considered Biblical (some may even argue "fictional") characters, while early founders of Christianity were real historical figures. It should also be noted that Christianity was NOT established by the figure we call Jesus. It was established by Paul. But that's a different argument all together....lol.
  4. Troy How do you think most Christians became Christian? They were BORN into it. As is the case with most religions. Do you think the only people spreading the gospel are white people in Africa? No. There are black Christians going to white countries to proselytize. Yes, but for different reasons than the White Christians. The Black Christians who go to White nations to proselytize are sincere and actually believe in the Bible and in Christianity. Most of the White Christians who go to Africa, Asia, and other nations of color KNOW better and DON'T believe in the Bible nor Christianity but recognize them and use them as TOOL to subjugate the people they come into contact with. As far as the origins of Christianity. Where do you believe is started pioneer? Then tell me which continent that would be? I’ll wait… “And it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians,” Acts 11: 26. Antioch was/is a city in norther Syria.....in what was considered Asia Minor . But the modern form of Christianity most Christians practice today was crafted in Rome under the Vatican.
  5. Troy you clearly don’t live in the south my brother. I can’t even wrap my brain around what you just wrote. It was intellectually dishonest for you to leave off a key word in my statement. I said MOST....not all...MOST. And would you disagree with it? Do you believe MOST Black folks in the U.S. know how to farm and fish? frankster Understand this None of the Great Powers are able to keep any other power from Intervening inside their respective Countries 100%. Understood. But my question is, do they NEED to do this at 100%? If they can secure their borders and the influence and information that flows in and out of their nation ENOUGH, most nations would be satisfied. Show me the Truth in your Analysis....? Look at the current situation in Haiti as a stark example. You have several groups of armed men. The media calls them "gangs". I would call them militias. But all of them are armed and fighting eachother over territory, money, and resources that already exist or is promised to come in. How many of them are talking about farming to be able to feed their population, building new schools to educate the population, and building a new infrastructure for the nation? Any of them building hospitals? Zimbabwe. So, 2 questions: 1. Did the Black population of Zimbabwe forcibly KICK OUT the White power structure that ruled the land or were they GRANTED so-called "independence" from that power structure? 2. Is the nation of Zimbabwe currently THRIVING?
  6. Man....is that your favorite word or something? You're the ONLY one I hear using it online OR offline...lol. But to answer your question.....and it actually is a pretty good question..... The simple and straight forward answer is I'M NOT SURE. But to go in more detail, I'll say consider 2 things............ 1. Knowing everything that will take place doesn't necessarily equate to predetermination. It suggests it, but doesn't equate to it. Kind of like programing a computer SUGGESTS that you will know how it operates.....but this doesn't necessarily EQUATE to it. Only KNOWING HOW IT WILL OPERATE equates to knowing how it will operate, regardless of who programmed it and how it was intended to operate. 2. If you consider the MULTI-REALITY Theory that suggests that ALL possibilities exist and are being played out somewhere in existence. Then ofcourse all things are predetermined by the Omniscient BEING because all things and all scenarios exist actually exist! But as an individual you could still have a choice as to which Reality you navigate through. And yes, the Omniscient BEING knows which Reality you'll choose to naviage through. But that doesn't necessarily mean THEY made that choice for you....THEY knew you'd choose it. Like I said about....knowing the choice you'll make may not necessarily mean THEY programmed you to make that choice. It may suggest it, but doesn't hard rock guarantee that this is the case. So perhaps predetermination AND individual free-will exists side by side if you accept the Multi-Reality Theory.
  7. Don't get me wrong....... I'm not saying they were "enemies" of Black people. Not sure about Gaddafi and what all he did for Black people outside of gifting and loaning money to the Nation of Islam, but Castro did MANY magnificent things for Black people around the planet from funding and assisting in revolutions around Africa to sending aid and help to Black and poor struggles around the Americas. I'm just saying that a Black coalition needs to be led by BLACK PEOPLE. Not a White nor almost-White "savior". What does it say about us, that we aren't doing it on our own and need them? That actually defeats the purpose. Replace the French of British colonizer with a White Latino or White Berber colonizer....what's the difference? If I were one of the rich elite White folks who ran the world, that would probably have been my argument to Gaddafi or Castro to attempt to win them over, lol. "Yeah...we're ruling them because we don't think have sense enough to take care of and govern themselves! Say what? You said you're going to help organize them to overthrow our racist White power structure because they should be independent? Well....if they need YOU to do it because they can't do it on their own then doesn't that PROVE a White man should be in charge??? Let the Revolutions go and come and join us in rulership my 'almost but not quite White -but white enough' -brothers! "
  8. frankster True its what they represent...but it starts with Kicking out the french a big part of it.. It's one thing to KICK the French out. It's another thing to KEEP the French out. Well they The AES is spoiling for the fight......David Meets Goliath - My money is on David If I were you I wouldn't conflate Biblical stories with real life current events. It could and often does lead to disappointment and bewilderment when things don't turn out like it did in the book version. That is Pure Unadultered Crap a Pristine Load of Aged BS propaganda spread by the West Even IF what you said about my analysis was correct....lol. Most propaganda has atleast a KERNEL of truth in it. However if I'm wrong, SHOW AND PROVE with a RECENT example of a Black nation that has FORCIBLY removed the White colonizers through revolution and is now thriving. Troy The French have been helpless since WWII, they have neither the military might or the will to come back into Africa. And who’s going to help them recolonize those African nations, the EU the Americans? The Global White Power Structure works as a TEAM. America is the chief enforcer of policies often devised in England, France, and Germany. It doesn't matter which language a White man currently in Africa speaks....the rest of his brothers will benefit from his exploits. ProfD Black folks have never needed white folks to teach them how to farm or do anything else. Never???? Bro, RIGHT NOW most Black folks in the U.S. don't know how to farm or even catch a damn fish. It's been like that for the past 50 years or so since most of our people left the rural South for big cities. Most Black folks in the U.S. totally depend on White folks directly or indirectly just for their daily bread and toilet paper. There's enough intelligence among Black folks to do anything we desire. Just a matter of removing foreigners from our lands and building strategic alliances among ourselves using our collective knowledge, skills and abilities. And how long have we talked about doing this? Over a century now. Will this time in Burkina Faso be different? Time will tell.
  9. Troy there are many scholars that would disagree with you. True. And there are many scholars who would AGREE. Scholars who are both Christian and Afrocentrist will cherry pick and point out consistencies between Christianity, the Bible, and Egyptian Mysticism. Afrocentrist scholars who are reject Christianity will ask them: - what part of ancient Egypt did Christians derive the name "Jesus" from? - what part of ancient Egypt is there talk of a Christ figure dying for 3 days and being resurrected? - what part of ancient Egypt did the concept of Popes, cardinals, and nuns come from? Again, claiming Christianity comes from Egypt is just another excuse negroes make to adhere to the "old time" religion that White folks forced on their ancestors. Going back to your original question it was answered. If the roles were reversed, and everything else being equal, Europeans and Arab would’ve converted too it has to do with the way humans behave has nothing to do with the color of the skin. I suppose you have a few examples to prove this assertion?
  10. I've concluded that I've answered your question. Lol....got another one?
  11. One of the problems is under colonialism....much of the ancient culture and ways of farming and doing things to feed themselves were ERASED as the Europeans imposed a new system of doing things on them. After generation after generation of this, the "old ways" have been nearly forgotten. Now it's up to us to discover and invent brand new ways to become independent and self sufficient.....because the way the Europeans taught us certainly isn't working. But I don't think most of them are trying to do that. Many Africans....like many AfroAmericans....simply don't want White folks telling them what to do anymore, but still don't know how to fully take care of themselves and operate a fully functioning society. Kind of like a teenager who is growing up in an abusive foster home and wants their independence from their abusers, but doesn't have a job, doesn't own a car, doesn't know the first thing about leasing an apartment or buying a house.
  12. Christianity did NOT come out of Africa. Nor is it founded in ancient Egyptian/Kemetic belief systems. I've heard and read these claims for years by a lot of quasi-Christian Afrocentrists. Most of them push this belief by CHERRY PICKING certain similarities that exist between the religion of Christianity and a few documented stories attributed to ancient Egyptian philosophy....but not by doing on extensive comparison between the two institutions. Based on my research on religion....especially Christianity and it's foundations and doctrine....there are VERY FEW similarities between Christianity and ancient Egyptian belief systems when both are compared in their "entirety". In my opinion, it's pushed by Black folks who are still affiliated with the church and Christianity and seek to find ways to justify their position and association to it by making it seem as if Christianity is really "our" religion so they don't have to make the difficult choice of leaving it. Similar to how they'll take a White Jesus and paint him "Black" but still hold on to the "white savior" mentality...lol. BTW, my question as to whether or not the Europeans or Arabs would have followed traditional African religion if the roles were reversed and Africans went up into Europe or Arabia to convert them has yet to be touched....lol.
  13. Troy Lol..... They wouldn't be very "omniscient" if they DIDN'T know.....would they?
  14. frankster I think you and are share very similar positions on this subject. I believe SOME things are pre-determined and SOME things are random and based on individual choices. What percentage is which...I'm not sure.
  15. The Amish operate INSIDE the world's most militarily powerful nation and are pretty much guaranteed security by them. The island of Jamaica could easily conquer the Amish and snatch their musty asses up by their long grey beards.....if the U.S. government just sat back with their arms crossed and allowed them in to do it. America protect those within her territory....including those without the power to protect themselves like the Amish, Mennonites and other so-called "independent" communities. Think of the Amish as a senile old man living in the attic of his rich son-in-law and daughters well guarded multi million dollar mansion.... He can afford to open the window cussing and shaking his fists at people who walk past his home because it's well guarded and nobody will bother to get to him anyway...lol.
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