BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 4.7.23//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:http://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Congrats to Black contestants in Miss America - January 14th 2025 DTSTAMP:20250118T180808Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:137-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":troy@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n Congrats to Black contestants in Miss America - January 1 4th 2025\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11420-the-miss-usa-pageant-the-sur prising-number-of-black-contestants-2024/#findComment-71146\n\n\n\n \n\n\n \n  \n\n\n\n THE ORIGINAL POST STARTED BY CHEVDOVE @Chevdove\n\n\n\n http s://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11420-the-miss-usa-pageant-the-surprising-number-of -black-contestants-2024/#findComment-71123\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I F YOU DONT WANT TO CLICK THE COMMENT ABOVE OR GO TO THE ORIGINAL POST ...\ n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n the following is the most well known black o nly female pageant in the usa \n\n\n\n https://www.missblackamerica.com/\ n\n\n\n the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Black_America\n\n\n\n what it needs is more money. This event has been going on for 55 years in a row. You can't complain about regular black folks making it happen\, it was regular black folks who did. It wasn't black thespians or singers. It started in 1968 and not by diana ross or aretha franklin or cicely tyson.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Year Miss Black America Hometown and/or home state\n\n\n\n 1968 Saundra Williams Pennsylvania\n\n\n\n 1969 Gloria O. Smith New York\n\n\n\n 1970 Stephanie Clark DC\n\n\n\n 1971 Joy ce Warner Florida\n\n\n\n 1972 Linda Barney New Jersey\n\n\n\n 1973 Arniec e Russell New York\n\n\n\n 1974 Von Gretchen Shepard Los Angeles\, Califo rnia\n\n\n\n 1975 Donzeila Johnson Pennsylvania\n\n\n\n 1976 Twanna Kilgor e Washington\, D.C.\n\n\n\n 1977 Claire Ford Memphis\, Tennessee\n\n\n\n 1 978 Lydia Jackson Willingboro\, New Jersey\n\n\n\n 1979 Varetta Shankle M ississippi\n\n\n\n 1980 Sharon Wright Chicago\, Illinois\n\n\n\n 1981 Pam ela Jenks Boston\, Massachusetts\n\n\n\n 1982 Susan Wells Milwaukee\, Wi sconsin\n\n\n\n 1983 Sonya Robinson Milwaukee\, Wisconsin\n\n\n\n 1984 Lyd ia S.Garrett Columbia\, South Carolina\n\n\n\n 1985 Amina Fakir Detroit\,  Michigan\n\n\n\n 1986 Rachel Oliver Burlington\, North Carolina\n\n\n\n 1987 Leila McBride Denver\, Colorado\n\n\n\n 1988 Regina Wallace Florida\ n\n\n\n 1989 Paula Gwynn Washington DC\n\n\n\n 1990 Rosie Jones Bridgeport \, Connecticut\n\n\n\n 1991 Sharmell Sullivan Gary\, Indiana\n\n\n\n 1992 Marilyn DeShields Virginia\, Richmond\n\n\n\n 1994 Pilar Fort Detroit\, Mi chigan\n\n\n\n 1995 Karen D. Wallace Oklahoma City\, Oklahoma\n\n\n\n 1996 Basheerah Ahmad Choctaw\, Oklahoma\n\n\n\n 2010 Ashley Anglin-Teen DC Met ropolitan\n\n\n\n 2010 Kamilla Collier-Mullin\, Adult DC Metropolitan\n\n\ n\n 2010 Natasha Ashby - Teen Philadelphia\, Pennsylvania\n\n\n\n 2010 Don ielle Turner\, Adult Philadelphia\, Pennsylvania\n\n\n\n 2014 Alexandra Mo rton\, Adult Baltimore\, Maryland\n\n\n\n 2015 Jelisa Barringer\, Adult Oh io\n\n\n\n 2016 Nicole Lynette Hibbert\, Adult Delaware\n\n\n\n 2017 Britt any Lewis\, Adult District of Columbia\n\n\n\n 2018 Ryann Richardson\, Adu lt Brooklyn\, New York\n\n\n\n 2022 Gabrielle Wilson\, Adult Los Angeles\, California\n\n\n\n 2023 Ashley Myatt\, Adult Detroit\, Michigan\n\n\n\n 2 023 Elizabeth Dicker\, Senior Newark\, New Jersey\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/15 /2026\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss -black-america /#findComment-79347\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n For more informatio n please view and read the following\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://www.missbl ackamerica.com/\n\n\n\n from 1968\, here are some recent winners\n\n\n\n \ n\n\n\n If you know any black women\, please share this with them\, please \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n if you have questions you can contact them?\n\n\n\n ht tps://www.missblackamerica.com/contact\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n if you want to h elp\n\n\n\n https://www.missblackamerica.com/donations\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Troy they have an author's expos\,  I don't have the money but I imagine you do. \n\n\n\n https://www.missblackamerica.com/author-s-expo-page\n\n\ n\n pdf info\n\n\n\n https://a60cd4c2-9ac1-4f86-909b-8059577f3c6a.filesusr .com/ugd/5fe1f0_8f6b3a2fa6bd47dfb5359bf756393475.pdf\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Sp onsorship form\n\n\n\n https://www.missblackamerica.com/sop-delegate-spons orship\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Are you the next Miss Black America?\n\n\n\n Reg istration Now Open- Click The Following https://www.missblackamerica.com/ pageant-registry\n\n\n\n Little Miss Black America (7-12)\n\n Miss Black A merica Teen (13-16)\n\n Miss Black America (17-29)\n\n Ms. Black America ( 29-54)\n\n Senior Miss Black America (55 and Over).\n\n All Age Groups\, A ll Ages\,\n\n Register Today\n\n Queens from seven (7) years old and over. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n REGISTRATION DETAILS- no excuse for black dos women to enter\n\n\n\n \n\n Pageant Registration\n\n\n\n All Across the World We A re Beautiful!\n\n You can be a Contestant in the next MBA Pageant TV Speci al! \n\n\n\n Are you between the age of 17-29?\n\n\n\n Or\, are you a Mis s Black America Teen between the ages of 13 -16?\n\n\n\n A Little Miss Bla ck America between the ages of 7-12?  \n\n\n\n Or a Senior Miss Black Ame rica who is 55+?\n\n\n\n Complete the form at the link below\n\n\n\n https ://www.missblackamerica.com/pageant-registry\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n *Adults 17 -29 Must be a High School Graduate or its Equivalent at the time of the Na tional Pageant\, MBA Teens must be Middle or High School students*\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Miss Black America Pageant Positivity Cruise - February 14th\, through February 22nd\, 2026\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/15/2026\n\n\n\ n  \n\n\n\n citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ev er-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79364\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n com ment\n\n\n\n Posted just now\n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\,  Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Not to take this thread in another direction but.. ..........\n\n\n\n From the photos i have seen every winner of the Miss Bl ack America pageant has been a black woman of medium to dark brown skin. N ow I haven't seen photos of every winner. I haven't seen photos of every c ontestant. \n\n\n\n But the direction you have taken this post about upli fting a black owned beauty pageant has many questions\, you didn't provide answers for when you shifted directions.\n\n\n\n 1.  How do you define a ctual Black ? You mentioned \"actual Black\" but don't give a clear defini tion of how can be determined actual Black. Moreover why should the operat ors of Miss Black America adhere to such a definition? \n\n\n\n For examp le\, if a woman with with two parents from india born in NYC with skin asi ans will call very dark\, which is equivalent to what people in the USA ca ll black\, which is common among many Indian people\, wants to run for Mis s Black America\, does she fit what you mean by Black?  From a phenotypic al perspective\, said example woman is Black. \n\n\n\n Here are three ima ges of kalo or black \, indian females\, older woman\, young woman\, child . All three are black. I don't know if habshi\, which is the equivalent to Descended of Enslaved. Cause some ancestral indian people are black. Like some ancestral statian people\, native americans\, are black. Native Amer icans from southern tribes\, the caribbean\, are phenotypically black and not african.  So I know you know your thoughts and definitions but you ha ve to display them. If for no other reason it makes the multilog easier\, unless you want to argue. \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 2. How do you define not-blac k or mixed?  You mentioned \" non-Black and mixed people\" but don't giv e a clear definition to either term. Is mixed by phenotype\, skin color ? is mixed by phenotype of ancestors? If mixed is by phenotype of ancestors\ , is it a one drop rule or is it a just immediate parents? \n\n\n\n For e xample\, this is Fredi Washington. Who played the Peola character in the e arliest film version of \"immitation of life\". She called herself black. She rejected hollywoods desire to have her lie about her background and cl aim she is white. And lived most of her life as a maid/nurse in Harlem. Sh e definitely looked mixed. I call people like her yella. She is definitely more yella than Beyonce or Hally Berry or Dorothy Dandridge. And arguably even more yella than Hailee Steinfeld which says a lot.  But she is blac k to me. From your definition she is mixed\, so she couldn't apply for Mis s Black America\, correct? \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 3. Are you suggesting each c andidate must be a citizen of the USA? I didn't read the rules of entry so I don't know how citizenship fits in Miss Black America. But a Black woma n from Africa is Black so if she lives in the USA\, why can't she run? May be she needs to be a USA citizen. I argue that is an even requirement\, bu t is it mandatory?\n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Too o ften you have non-Black and mixed people who \"back door\" their way into these events and end up being hoisted over and on top of the actual Black participants.\n\n This is nothing but a product of self-hatred.\n\n Lookin g at a woman who is obviously not Black or looks like she's almost White.. .and calling HER \"the most beautiful\" woman in the community.\n\n \n\n O ne of my biggest problems with Beyonce wasn't Beyonce herself...but how sh e was often glorified as a symbol of \"Black\" female beauty.\n\n Whenever the subject of comparing female celebrities by race\, Whites and Latinos would promote the women they thought were the most beautiful but when it c ame to Black people.....a lot of bruthaz would promote women like Beyonce or Halle Berry back in the day.\n\n Women who obviously weren't Black.\n\n \n\n A lot of pro-FBA podcasters are promoting lightskinned women as \"id eal\" models for who an FBA is or what an FBA looks like.\n\n\n\n They're pushing Beyonce and Angel Reese.\n\n\n\n Expand  \n\n\n\n You didn't ment ion Hailee Steinfield. But\, the issues you mention here are not about the participants but the organizers of events. The organizers of events aren' t being self haters\, the organizers of events are doing what you did in y our reply\, not be concise or specific in definitions. Expecting everyone else to somehow know what they are thinking or how they define. That isn't functional. If you wanted to block out certain black women... or any wome n\, all you have to do is make the rules clear.  But if the rules don't b lock out certain women from running then why shouldn't they run. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And as for the host of events or people whether black or non b lack\, no matter their language or background\, who have a positive bias t owards the phenotype called white and a negative phenotype called blacks \ , black people who produce/pay for events need to know who they are hostin g or if non blacks are producing\, what can you expect from the host of a non black show but adulation to non black beauty even if the show is label ed for black beauty cause the owners are not black. \n\n\n\n When you org anize an event it is up to you to be clear\, concise on definitions\, not the people entering. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/16/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n ht tps://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america  /#findComment-79388\n\n\n\n @aka Contrarian\n\n\n\n   12 hours ago\, ak a Contrarian said:\n\n\n\n If Halle Berry and Beyonce self identify as \, \"black\" because one of their parents is black\, then that's good enough for me and millions of other people who accept their decision. \n\n\n\n T hey are women of color and the  source of the color contained in their ge nes and DNA is a male negroid parent. ( just like Obama\, our first black president. )\n\n\n\n Nobody in America has been appointed as the arbitrato r when it comes to declaring what constitutes blackness. Because there is no collective  consciousness among negroid slave-descended Americans\, th ere is no consensus on this issue and no individual can declare otherwise. \n\n\n\n well said. \n\n\n\n and all I can add is\, this post was started with the purpose to uplift Miss Black America and by extension other Blac k Pagents\, like Miss Black USA\, thank you @Chevdove\n\n\n\n The purpose of this post was never to create or debate an absolute definition of who is a black woman in the usa. \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1 chose to segway from tal king about miss black america\, for which he had nothing to add\, into tal king about people in media\, black or non black\, whose job it is to get v iews/likes/attention and how they succeed by maintaining a consistency in narrative that suggest the most beautiful black women in the world happen to be black women with a certain phenotype\, as close to a white european womans' as can be. \n\n\n\n the problem being\, the black pagents seem to have found a way through their rules to elevate black women who do not fi t the identity of women championed in the media pioneer is so concerned wi th. \n\n\n\n While the people in the media pioneer is so concerned with a re working in a white owned space\, the opposite of the black owned of the black beauty pageants. \n\n\n\n So... your correct\, Contrarian\, but th e issue of this post is uplifting the black beauty pageant and it is unfor tunate how little uplifting was achieved. It says something about black di scourse online\, we are too concerned with arguments online.\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n 01/18/2026 \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/t c/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-794 51\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said :\n\n\n\n Your response actually did that....lol.\n\n\n\n nice try\, you c hanged the course\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n my o pinion organizations and contests like this should be used to UPLIFT Black women and improve their self esteem and especially the self esteem of Bla ck girls growing up in this society.\n\n How can this be done if an organi zation/contest routinely uplifts and promotes females who don't look like them as role models they should aspire to?\n\n\n\n organizations and conte st liek this do\, the people you referred to are media people\, none of th em run pageants or anything similar\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1  said:\n\n\n\n Race is phenotypical...but is more than JUST skin color.\n\n \n\n race is any factor\, phenotypical is just one\n\n\n\n   10 hours ag o\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n I'd call her Caucasian/White...lol.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n even enough but fredi washington didn't\, and more importantly\ , to the idea of beauty \, we black dosers have to embrace our reality. We are a people who were once completely enslaved\, that comes with a histor y of sexual abuse that leads to mixed babies\, and the heritage of DOSers in the usa is for the mixed to be part of the black group. That is the her itage. rightly or wrongly. \n\n\n\n Now to the future\, it seems the lati n american pardo/casta heritage is settling in the usa\, and will finally be the factor to undo what the one drop rule set in. but until then\, the yella woman is black.\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n How can someone who is NOT an American even enter let alone \"win\" a cont est designed FOR Americans?????\n\n\n\n what determines a black american i sn't universallly defined by blacks. the issue pioneer is you keep missing the lack of consensus\, means every black in the usa doesn't see anything in one way.\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n So how ca n a person not FROM here properly represent the beauty of those native her e?\n\n\n\n natives? you mean choctaw or seminole?\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago \, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n If we're having a contest for the best tasting Chinese food.....would you bring tasty TACOS to the contest?\n\n\n\n sinc e chinese food in the usa is not actually chinese cusiine from asia\, and has more in common with tacos why not?\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pionee r1 said:\n\n\n\n It's like having an athletic event for women without fir st defining WHO a woman actually is.\n\n\n\n yeah but that happens in the usa\, because this country is the king f lawsuits which kill events. and t hat is because the usa protects individualism and individualism by default means no one's definition is ever correct. a trasngender woman can sue to be in a contest for humans born with a vagina. You say short sighted\, bu t I argue\, an inevitable reality of the usa. you see this in the white po pulace\, it is a pan statian reality\n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1  said:\n\n\n\n ine WHO is Black\, then soon you'll have White contestants being presented as \"Black\" and winning them to promote the idea that Wh ite skin\, light hair\, and light eyes are the most beautiful traits to be found among \"Black\" people.\n\n \n\n I call it the \"Beyonce Effect\"\n \n Where people who aren't Black are promoted as the \"ideal Black\".\n\n\ n\n I disagree 100% \, again miss black america or miss black usa prove yo u wrong. In media things that black people/dosers actually own or control in the usa I find the advertised image of black women is usually not uphel d through the lens of the yella women but through the cocoa women.  but b oth are still black. \n\n\n\n And as for all the black or non blacks in w hite owned media who emphasize the yella women over the cocoa women in the black populace\, well\, that is white owned media. \n\n\n\n   10 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Perhaps you are confusing healthy DISCOURS E with DISCORD.\n\n\n\n even enough\, though I rather posit I am being too demanding to the tone or function of discourse. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @aka Contrarian\n\n\n\n   7 hours ago\, aka Contrarian said:\n\n\n\n Seems to me\, the closest thing to a typical black Miss America candidate who w ould not offend anyone would be a poised female of smooth medium brown com plexion with a full well- coiffed head of dark hair whose facial features are arranged in compliance with the universal  golden triangle standard\, and whose body is well-proportioned. \n\n\n\n miss america is run by whi tes...\n\n\n\n miss black america + miss black usa are run by blacks and i don't think any of their winners or contestants are offensive. I know I a m not alone in said thinking.\n\n\n\n   7 hours ago\, aka Contrarian s aid:\n\n\n\n Actually\, however\, I think role models are overrated. Why d o little girls have to look to public figures to emulate. And do we know i f this is as widespread a sentiment as celebrities clutching awards would have us believe?  Ideally\, a girl's mother or other female relative shou ld be her role model.\n\n\n\n And I'm further inclined to think that her p eer group is who most young girls want to impress because that was the cas e with me and my friends.\n\n\n\n I never fixated on celebrities as somebo dy I passionately wanted to look like. My friends and I just wanted to be the best versions of ourselves. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n So says the cynical c ontrarian\n\n\n\n unfortunately the media of the usa has become such a mar ketplace + battleground+ tool that it has grown in influence. \n\n\n\n An d some little girls are orphans\, some little girls are abused by their bl ood kin\, some little girls don't find enough of themselves in those at ho me. the reason a little girl can find inspiration worth emulating are many . \n\n\n\n Ideally a little girl should be raised by her parents or the g reater village to be herself\, and figure out her role\, not model off of anyone. \n\n\n\n Interesting\, I never wanted to impress anybody as a chi ld.I only had one poster of a human figure on my wall. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n 1/18/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n CITATION\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic /12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79474\n\n\ n\n  @aka Contrarian\n\n\n\n \n On 1/18/2026 at 10:36 AM\, aka Contraria n said:\n \n\n \n \n If we lived in a perfect world\, none if these bum ps in the road would hamper one's life's journey. \n \n\n \n  \n \n \n\n\n\n I oppose that thinking \, the word is perfect\, a complete work\ , ompletion doesn't occur when all is good\, that is imbalance. negativity must be part of anything for it to be truly perfect. \n\n\n\n \n On 1/1 8/2026 at 10:36 AM\, aka Contrarian said:\n \n\n \n \n  \n \n\n \n Folks need to be reminded on a regular basis that \"nobody  promised you a rose garden\".\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n At some point little girl s and boys have to mature into adults who deal with reality. Life is not f air.\n \n \n\n\n\n life is even\, it is human beings who are not even. It is human beings that make living uneven plus inequal. it isn't nature or other lifeforms.\n\n\n\n Nature promises balance. Humans beings imbalance.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/19/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n CITATION\n\n\n\n  htt ps://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america / #findComment-79483\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @aka Contrar ian\n\n\n\n   13 hours ago\, aka Contrarian said:\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n n o\, right or wrong is not knowable in this issue\, but maybe functionality is. Functionality defined as the quality of results. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Does thinking a perfect world mean all is good get more positive results than thinking a perfect world includes all things?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Does thinking a perfect world is an unattainable environment which humans have to embrace get more positive results than defining the perfect world as t he world that is absent human involvement\, which imperfects the world? \ n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/19/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\ n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-ameri ca /#findComment-79487\n\n\n\n Posted just now\n\n\n\n @aka Contrarian\n \n\n\n   1 hour ago\, aka Contrarian said:\n\n\n\n In a perfect world\ , as the adjective \"perfect\" suggests\, there are no problems. Life is i deal.\n\n\n\n You are free to challenge that definition\, but you can't pr ove otherwise.\n\n\n\n So\, we have to agree to disagree.\n\n\n\n perfect comes from the latin\n\n\n\n per- meaning totally\, ala perview is when so mething is viewed totally absent any part not viewed\n\n\n\n fect - means work. \n\n\n\n A total work has all in it. Perfect never suggest an absen ce.  Problems are part of what makes the world whole\, are part of the to tal world\, absent problems the world can't be perfect\, a total work. \n \n\n\n What you call ideal\, a thing of an idea\, in not perfect. It is th e idea of a world without problems\, that is not a perfect world\, that is an ideal world\, an imbalanced world. \n\n\n\n I have etymologically pro ven my position. \n\n\n\n I have always opposed the USA heritage derived from the english of using words figuratively. It weakens all words. \n\n\ n\n We do like each other\, as much as near total strangers can. We do not concur on definition. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, aka Contrar ian said:\n\n\n\n I am in the throes of  disappointment over the CHICAGO BEARS\, my favorite football team\, losing a game they could've won\, but for the coach calling questionable plays and the receivers either missing their assignments or dropping the passes from my \"adopted\" baby boy\, Q uarterback Caleb Williams\, so I don't feel like plowing through a maze of verbiage to further debate the implications of a perfect world.\n\n\n\n I 'm mentally exhausted.\n\n\n\n if you have a video collage of sweetness ru nning about\, give it a view and lift your spirits\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/19 /2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/122 90-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79492\n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @aka Contrarian\n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, aka Cont rarian said:\n\n\n\n @richardmurrayI prefer the dictionary definition of the word \"perfect\" which you might want to check out.\n\n\n\n I know of it\, I have always felt the heritage webster started in the anglophone and unstraightly all humanity was an error. His implementation of a book of s peaking based on figurative definitions was the beginning of a literal hor ror show in linguistics\, cause now throughout humanity\, most\, an overhw helming most\, preference to the idea f figurative definition which only h arms the positive quality in communication. \n\n\n\n I wish someone black with money with my thinking had been around circa 1865 in the usa cause b lack people in the usa had a unique opportunity to have a much wiser sense of diction but.. it wasn't meant to be.\n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, aka Con trarian said:\n\n\n\n And I assure you that watching old reels of Walter Payton in action will not lift my spirits about yesterday's loss.\n\n\n\n Unfortunate\, I hope you feel better sooner rather than later\n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n 1/19/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/ topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79494 \n\n\n\n d just now\n\n\n\n @aka Contrarian \n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, a ka Contrarian said:\n\n\n\n I am not so  inclined to dismiss popular usa ge. Language is fluid. Nothing illustrates this more than black slang and Ebonics.  \n\n\n\n If you had your way\, what word would you replace \"p erfect\" with? Or are you of the opinion that any such state as perfection exists? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Your sentiments in regard to Webster would e xplain your tendency to make up words. \n\n\n\n It is rare i do the follo wing but I will paraphrase the white enslavers commonly called the foundin g fathers\, concerning the peoples use of things: the people are stupid.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Yeah black slang and ebonics while black people let th e gullah dialect become endangered\, the patios of new orleans be the same . Black people emphasize slangs we made\,  which are very figurative over \, literally more potent forms like the gullah dialect or the patois of n ew orleans or florida. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n It is a taste thing\, admitted ly. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Well\, what word would I replace perfect with in the following phrase you wrote \"In a perfect world\, as the adjective \" perfect\" suggests\, there are no problems. Life is ideal.\"\n\n\n\n I wou ld replace two words: a and perfect and make adjustments to the following \"In my ideal world\, no problems exist\"\n\n\n\n In a world I have an ide a to no problems exist. Perfect meant a total work. As the zen say\, it is the sunny side of the hill side the shady side of the hill. Problems must be in the world for it to be total. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Yes\, oonmoptop ia  I spelled it wrong. It's funny when webster was a boy\, in england\, people couldn't comprehend each other in various regions of england becau se their diction was so various. This was the same in france or germany.  Meaning when webster was a boy there wasn't popular usage of words in eng land. every single region spoke differently in england\, often incomprehen sibel to each other.  He comes up with this idea of a \"standard\" book o f rules of words and speech for the english language. a dictionary for eng lish. Dictionaries are as old as the royal bloodline of the nile\, but nev er before were they advertised as a standard. And then with the advent of public school which wasn't common either in humanity. School historically was something paid for by individuals\, it wasn't for the public \, it was n't for all. but with the idea of the public school plus dictionaries came what you call\, very correctly\, the popular majority usage of certain wo rds certain ways as de facto official. Webster himself\, made up words:) b ut post webster\, now we have popular usage. So\, yes I don't feel obliged to adhere to webster. But I want to defend my individualism\, I am not lo oking for a flock. I  simply admit myself. The popular usage will remain\ , will be adhered\, but I don't care if I am alone with 999\,999 other peo ple I will be my way. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/19/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Ci tation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-mis s-black-america /#findComment-79500\n\n\n\n   2 hours ago\, ProfD sai d:\n\n\n\n Noah Webster did something i.e. fufilled a need. He codified the meaning of words.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Black folks are free to do the sa me thing if they want to preserve gullah\, patois\, ebonics or any other l anguage &\; words.\n\n\n\n Of the quote from Profd \, I want it publicl y said\, I concur Webster did something. The rest of what Profd said I str uck through as a lie or false praise or a misrepresentation of communal ac tion. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n THE FOLLOWING IS MY EXPANDED VERSION \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD \n\n\n\n \n On 1/19/2026 at 5:42 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Noah Webster did something i.e. fufilled a need. He codified the meaning of words\n \n \n\n\n\n Well...doing something does not mean a need is fulfilled. It means a want is fulfilled. Humans beings have been codifying words since the time of the earliest leaders of the ni le. I don't comprehend how Webster doing something thousands or millions d id between the ancients about the Nile and Webster warrants mention. Dicti onaries as I said to aka contrarian which you didn't quote sadfully\, pred ate webster by thousands of years. Webster is key because in england the i dea of schooling for the public had taken root\, the first public schools were thousands of years before england\, but with the advent of the englis h empire\, the public school of england and the dictionary it used from we bster was pushed on a global populace\, adding the influence of the usa \, the child of the english empire\,  english is the lingua franca today in humanity. this is a quote of what i said that you freely chose not to quo te to make a half truth to webster. \n\n\n\n \n On 1/19/2026 at 4:01 PM\ , richardmurray said:\n \n\n \n \n Meaning when webster was a boy there wasn't popular usage of words in england. every single region spoke diffe rently in england\, often incomprehensibel to each other.  He comes up wi th this idea of a \"standard\" book of rules of words and speech for the e nglish language. a dictionary for english. Dictionaries are as old as the royal bloodline of the nile\, but never before were they advertised as a s tandard.\n \n \n\n\n\n For my point which you disgard is that dictionarie s shouldn't be used as standards. That is the truth. The reason why the an cients didn't was a thing called wisdom. Forcing a language to others is c alled slavery\, and slavery doesn't work on rivals \, so you can't relate to rivals forcing a tongue. ala why people in the usa say things\, like\, it is japanese. \n\n\n\n \n On 1/19/2026 at 5:42 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Black folks are free to do the same thing if they want to preser ve gullah\, patois\, ebonics or any other language &\; words.😁\n \n \n\n\n\n I don't know if you know because your words I just quoted sugges t you don't. Languages die throughout humanity all the time\, including la nguages of those humans considered in power. It isn't about freedom. It is about a complex collage of things. Language use is a collective thing\, i t is not up to an individual\, it is up to a group and it requires many pe ople working together\, which doesn't happen with a snap of a finger. Lang uage preservation is centered on communal organization\, not freedom. The negro spirituals are proof of this. Most black people couldn't read + were completely enslaved but knew the negro spirituals . This is why appalachi an languages are dying among white people in the usa\, gardless of white p ower. anyone looking at your words will think that preserving a language i s like riding a bicycle\, which i find insulting. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/2 2/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/1229 0-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79536\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Posted just now\n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\,  Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Now\, how can I change the course of YOUR thread?? ?\n\n\n\n   this forum is a place of discourse\, each topic is started b y one but the path need not stay on the topic started. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n   21 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Just because mixed people ar e THROWN into the \"Black\" category by racists\, that doesn't make it a s cientific fact.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n you use the word thrown\, do you know a ll the people in your bloodline? you shouldn't if you are a DOSer\, and if you are a DOSer then are you suggesting the people with a phenotype \, yo u call mixed in 2026 who were completely enslave pre 1865 are what then?\n \n\n\n   21 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Truth and facts aren't based on \"consensus\".\n\n\n\n true \, that is true\, BUT not all things can be defined explicitly. phenotypical labeling can not be reduced into a numerical form. Carbon is called element six but carbon is merely a name. it isn't a false name\, but if I call carbon fingerplus\, that isn't inva lidated because it has no consensus. \n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\, Pionee r1 said:\n\n\n\n Is fire not hot unless enough people believe it and acce pt it to be?\n\n\n\n but labeling someone black isn't explicit. Fire\, all types of fire\, come from chemical or physical reactions that generate a chemical reaction commonly called fire. But the name fire isn't explicit. In the same way\, naming someone black isn't explicit. Fire like race is a lways real\, but the labeling is not rigid\, and you have prescribed the l abel black a specific way which is not bound by anyone else. Nor is my def inition for black bound to anyone else. But both are real. And going beyon d the two of us\, it matters how the black group defines black. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n It's changed recen tly.\n\n I remember when the only media that gave dark skinned women their propers WERE the White media.\n\n\n\n Well.. When you say recently\, Miss Black America started 1968. Again \, Alice was enslaved 1963.. Malcolm wa s murdered 1965\, mlk jr was murdered 1968... You say recently? when exact ly? My reason for asking what time period because for me\, Jim Crow was 18 65 to 1980. Financially I don't see black ownership in that time period in the usa. YES\, MAdame CJ walker was in the 1930s. But black people owned businesses in the lands that made up the USA before the USA was founded. L ook at the American Revolution transcripts\, I can't remember which off th e top of my head. \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/7-rmcommunitycalen dar/week/2025-11-22/\n\n\n\n Black owned media that could reach wide swath s of black people in the usa for me truly started from 1980 onwards. Every black town or city\, or black neighborhood in a white city had local blac k owned media but none were strong enough to stretch across. Black Newspap ers are black newspapers\, newspapers don't usually do fashion\, that is m agazines. I know\, I checked to makebsure\,  Ebony was started in 1945 an d Jet was started in 1951 but most black people didn't have the money to b uy jet or ebony. Jet or Ebony original audience was the black 1%  so... w hen you say black media between 1865 and 1980\, what do you mean? and as f or white media? well how was white media treating any black woman properly ? when you say propers\, you mean dark skin women as maids?  that is prop er? \n\n\n\n Yes\, I am little confused by your statement. \n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n For a long t ime Black media was pushing light skin and White featured as ideal with th e occasional honey brown sista if she was pretty enough.  The only time a real dark skinned sista could get on is if a White man though she was \"e xotic\" looking enough.\n\n And usually the dark skinned Black women they put on were from Africa or the West Indies...not the United States.\n\n\n\ n I clearly don't comprehend Black Media as you are using it. I need your help. What is Black Media to you? I ask because when you say black media\, I don't think you see black media like I do. When I think black media I t hink black owned media\, meaning the money or the producer is black. Black panther is not black media. it is white media with black people in it. BE T is white owned\, that is white media with black people in it. Black owne d media is rare in the usa. BET was sold by a black man to whites\, who th en sold it to other whites\, paramount to skydance. TVOne is black owned\, by a black woman. I can't recall a black owned film production firm compa rable to the likes of disney/paramount/warner bros et cetera. Like Obama b eing the black president of a white country. Black presence doesn't mean w hites don't own or control. Black presence doesn't mean black people are e nslaved to whites but it doesn't mean black people own or control. \n\n\n \n You have made me think about this\, if someone ask me \, what is black media in the usa\, throughout my life. I have very little to say. \n\n\n\ n I will brainstorm the following\n\n\n\n BET for a very short time\, so n ot BET. \n\n\n\n Black Enterprise magazine\, going strong. \n\n\n\n I di dn't know about miss black america or miss black usa to a mature adult\, b ut going strong. \n\n\n\n TVOne going strong. \n\n\n\n The OWN network\, though I don't know if Oprah actually owns the OWN network\, so no OWN ca use I am not certain. \n\n\n\n Forty acres and a mule\, spike lees produc tion firm\, though alot of his movies he doesn't majority finance\,so I sa y no. I know Malcolm post production was financed by a collection of black people but the majority of production pre+filming was white. so \, no for ty acres and a mule\n\n\n\n Milestone comics\, but how much money did dway ne mcduffie and company actually provide. at the end of the day DC finance d those comics so.. no milestone\, and I love\, Blood Syndicate. It is my favorite comic from the usa. \n\n\n\n Amsterdam News\, my local black new spaper\, still going strng.\n\n\n\n Harlem Week in NYC\, still going stron g but that is local\n\n\n\n Jazzmobile\, was once really great\, but when billy taylor's spirit flew\, that really reduced the vitality of jazzmobil e\, but it is still going on\, albeit less potently.\n\n\n\n a show like l ike it is was local but financed by ABC. \n\n\n\n Killens Review is from MEdgar evers college\, but again\, Medgar evers gets alot of money as part of CUNY So white owned for me. it isn't a private college. and NYC\, or N YS state's government is white\, at least to me. \n\n\n\n The Olmec compa ny which made Sun man\, but they closed down. \n\n\n\n Ebony magazine or Jet MAgazine  I admittedly\, never saw my parents with an ebony or jet ma gazine. Some relatives would have them but it wasn't grandiose. and their firm went under and assets are owned by whites now to my knowledge\, thoug h I am not sure. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n if I look at my life and what is bla ck owned media in the usa\, which is what I think of is Black Media\,  th at I was aware of and still around. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Black Enterprise\ n\n\n\n Miss Black America+ Miss Black USA\n\n\n\n TVOne\n\n\n\n Amsterdam News\n\n\n\n Harlem Week\n\n\n\n Jazzmobile\n\n\n\n independent local med ia efforts by blacks who had money at the time\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n So half of those things are local to me. all but two are regional\, north east. Bl ack enterprise or miss black america. \n\n\n\n So\, what region of the US A were you born in? Cause\, the midwest and deep south have nothing in my view\, even locally when it comes to black media. So.. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n I think dark skin black women locally in NYC have been very visible in l ocal media. I remember many posters as a kid\, local things\, festivals fa irs. That wouldn't reach far. Sun man was a toy but the audience was mostl y NYC. So... What is black media to you ? Because once I comprehend how yo u view black media I can comprehend your statements better. In my life\, w hite media is the dominant avenue for black presence in media\, and I don' t see any black presence in white media as indicative of anything black. C osby show. Fresh prince of bel air. A number of those black romantic films . Yes\, Black presence but we don't own those things. The truth is black p eople own very little in the usa\, but again\, that shouldn't be a financi al shock if black people are honest about our financial history in the usa . Slavery + Jim Crow were very real. 1980 to 2026 is only forty six years and not even of financial opportunity but financial allowance.  from 1492 to 1865\, enslavement\,  and then 1865 to 1980\, jim crow\, the black po pulace was intentionally stopped or stymied by white power\, by any means necessary\, and the black populace had no violent means to stop it. \n\n\ n\n Now\, I do argue black people needed to have a legal pro bono movement to somehow match all of the white crimes or illegalities against us by wh ites but that didn't happen. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/23/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-hear d-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79566\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Posted ju st now\n\n\n\n @Troy\n\n\n\n   On 1/22/2026 at 9:40 PM\, Troy said:\n\ n\n\n TLDR: but \"beauty\" pageants are a thing whose time has come and go ne... and they really need to get rid of the ones featuring little girl s. \n\n\n\n Too long didn't read ... the multilog\, ok:)\n\n\n\n Well\, I emailed the following to find out\n\n\n\n https://www.pageantplanet.com/\ n\n\n\n But based on unverified statistics your wrong. Pageants have not c ome and gone. And I can see how. With the advent of robotic labor\, a page ant is a thing a human must do that is competitive. Like human sports\, hu man contest of physical beauty must involve\, humans. Come and gone\, i do n't think so. \n\n\n\n And with that role\, the many pageants with little girls will remain. \n\n\n\n The industry of pageants makes a lot of mone y\, it will not go away because certain populaces distaste for them or the legal ramifications of the abuse in various instances. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n \n @aka Contrarian thank you for your comment\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/24/202 6\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-hav e-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79578\n\n\n\n @Troy\ n\n\n\n I was directed to the following location\n\n\n\n https://www.pagea ntplanet.com/directory/category/pageant\n\n\n\n I don't think pageants are even remotely dead or a thing whose time has \"come and gone\" . It is cl ear their time is now\, even with all who oppose them. I argue that pagean ts need some sort of legal management. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/24/2026\n\n\ n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you- ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /#findComment-79632\n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @Troy \n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, Troy said:\n\n\n\n I think they should disappear  but we clearly disagree on this.  What do you t hink about the idea of a beauty pageant for men.  We'd get to prance arou nd on a stage in our speedos being judged by a bunch of women.\n\n\n\n  \ n\n\n\n Well\, I don't oppose beauty pageants or support beauty pageants. My only desire is if beauty pageants exist\, black owned ones exist. And b lack owned beauty pageants do exist so I am content. I have no concern to beauty pageants as a warranted or unwarranted thing. I am only concerned w ith black people owning beauty pageants if they are present\, or a black p erson being able to own a beauty pageant if none other are present. \n\n\ n\n If the question is what do I think about someone black wanting to own a beauty pageant for men ? That is their business. I support them and I ho pe they gain whatever they want. \n\n\n\n If you are asking me\, if I wil l invest in a beauty pageant\, female or male or other\,  if I had money to invest? the answer is no. and I have never wanted to be a model. I had neighbors once\, a black couple\, both strip models. They made great money and had huge fandoms\, relatively. But none of that is for me.\n\n\n\n If you want to know off the top of my head what I rather be doing.\n\n\n\n I rather work on designing a boat and showing that off sailing it. \n\n\n\ n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n   18 minutes ago\, ProfD said:\ n\n\n\n Off the top of my head...we could come up  the Alcoholic Olympic s. An event where people get drunk &\; try to do various things in comp etition to win prizes &\; money. \n\n\n\n isn't that reality tv shows? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/26/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https:// aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /page/ 2/#findComment-79743\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n sted 3 minutes ago\n\n\n\n @aka C ontrarian \n\n\n\n good point\, mister universe is a beauty pageant\, it isn't considered a beauty pageant for the connotative definition of beauty in the usa\, which suggest beauty is homosexuality or femininity\, not ma sculinity. But beauty is agender\, And a pageant is merely an artful produ ction\, a page as in page of a book. \n\n\n\n So literally\, by literal d efinition\,  mister universe is as much a beauty pageant as miss america. It is only the poor use of language in the usa that suggests otherwise.\n \n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD + @Pioneer1 \n\n\n\n Good dialog between you t wo.\n\n\n\n You both make excellent points. \n\n\n\n Profd I think Pionee r point has value in that it alludes to black people with money\, the blac k one percent\, have financially assessed the market and didn't arrive wit h a positive result. I have witnessed offline first hand various black one percenters say they wouldn't do a certain fiscal enterprise because they didn't see it as financially feasible. Do I think with two black female be auty pageants in the usa \, both at least over three decades old\, a black male pageant in the usa can't work? no.  But I do think it needs to be s old a certain way. And of course\, the prizes matter. As a white person sa id on a documentary about miss america i recall from years back\, I paraph rase\, many people in the womens movement hated miss america but miss amer ica sent many women to college. Maybe instead of college an investment opp ortunity. I know the percentage of black owned investment firms has risen sharply in recent years so this can be a  way of helping both. \n\n\n\n Pioneer\, I think Profd point has value in that it alludes to black people with money \, the black one percent\, not wanting to take financial risks at  certain level. I think many black people with money like investing w here whites invest first with the idea that the whites safety net they can climb onto as well. Lebron James owns a part of liverpool that has return ed a lot of money\, this is because of Liverpool\, the futebol club's fisc al scenario \, it earns a lot of money as part of the collective bargainin g with other teams in its league\, it is in europe so the financial legal system is straight forward and not muddled like in the usa\, thanks to Fra nklin deleanor roosevelt. But\, Lebron has the money to own a wnba team or similar and isn't doing that because to be a majority owner means to risk your money. Many whites who own big sports teams\, actually have debt lin es they use. Most blacks with money don't have the same debt lines so it i s a more potent risk. McCourt bought LA dodgers with debt money but sold i t to an investment firm for a huge sum so he can pay back debt and have do uble or triple what he paid. But you need to be blunt\, friends in the ban king sector for that plan. Most black people with money don't have that.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n IN AMENDMENT\n\n\n\n in modern media entertainment  m ost buyers are looking to sell. Sports teams/golf courses/ beauty pageants the idea is\, you buy it now and it gains in media popularity and then yo u sell it later. with sports teams this works very well. The glazers bough t Manchester United football club for circa a billion dollars usa in two t housand and five\, now that club is speculated/viewed as worth on the mark et [honestly or dishonestly\, rightly or wrongly] six billion and six hund red million dollars. so that is a six hundred percent increase in value in a twenty year period\, a generation. WHich means thirty percent increase in value per year. Can a black male beauty pageant with no media legacy or heritage in an environment with gender definition problems get a thirty p ercent increase in speculative value per year? yes\, is the simple answer\ , because all things are possible. But the honest answer is\, who knows. H ow will men accept this contest? how will women? what if a cultural moveme nt comes along that stymies the idea? Alot of questions exist that hinder financially safe investors touching it. \n\n\n\n Thinking on this I argue \, it might be financially wiser to add a boyfriend of miss black america or miss black usa element to those pageants\, where the boyfriends of cont estants have a small contest. The female contestants wouldn't have to have a bofriend to enter miss black america or miss black usa as they never ne eded it before\, but for those that do\, a miniature contest can happen. t he winner of the boyfriend of miss black america or miss black usa earns w ith their partner a business investment opportunity with a black owned fin ancial investment firm\, where they are given money and the investment fir m puts up equal value.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n from 02052026\n\n\n\n  \n\n \n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12290-have-you-ever-heard -of-miss-black-america /page/2/#findComment-79983\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Che vdove \n\n\n\n any photos of you in the bikini contest?:) haha\n\n\n\n Th anks for sharing some of your experiences with the topic. \n\n\n\n Vaness a Williams is also a harlemite of new york city\, her father was a dentist if I am correct. \n\n\n\n and yes\, anything that exist\, if black peopl e want to control have to own their own. HAving something black own doesn' t mean black people are forced to use it\, but it means black people have an option that is black owned and has different rules. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n @Pioneer1 \n\n\n\n I see:) i am dictatorial in my style\, I stifle imag ination with the structure of my posts ok\n\n\n\n I your commentary did no t attack or offend the post. Talking about who contest beauty pageants is within the topic of beauty pageants. \n\n\n\n My point is that these two black owned beauty pageants have emphasized women who can not be deemed ye lla/white/mulatto while not excluding the range of all black women which a re all shades of brown.  And since they both exists in the usa\, which is a white european country\, I think they are fine examples of black owners hip that is honest to the larger situation of black people. \n\n\n\n My o ffense to your point\, is that your talking about black media pundits\, n ot the black owned beauty pageants. Said pundits are mostly male\, who are on white owned media outlets usually\, with their most beautiful black wo man is the yellaist black woman narrative... I don't connect black male pu ndits in white owned media  to black owned beauty pageants. It isn't that your wrong in assessing media pundits\, but said pundits don't have any c onnection  to the activities of the black beauty pageants. What matters i s that the black owned beauty pageants in the usa exist which emphasize th e value of the phenotypical aesthetic most black women in the usa have. Th e black pundits in white media may be more well known or heard than black owned beauty pageants but that means nothing. If I can find the black owne d beauty pageants anybody black can and in them you have the most positive qualities. Black ownership/ unmixed black aesthetic/embrace of the statia n black experience/ positive financial quality as both are decades old now .  What more can you ask for in the usa? in my mind nothing.\n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n 02072026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/t opic/12290-have-you-ever-heard-of-miss-black-america /page/2/#findComment -80011\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @Pioneer1 \n\n\n\n    5 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n my focus was that we need to make s ure the Black women were BLACK women.\n\n\n\n \n\n Not identity thieves.\n \n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   5 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n They are brai nwashed too.\n\n See my point.\n\n\n\n I do gather that maybe you comment to my post just to get me to comment back\, but you speak of we and then i dentity theft and then brainwashing... \n\n\n\n In my mind I have many qu estions\, who is we ? who can determine if an identity is stolen or an ide ntity is open? who can determine if someone is brainwashed or simply of an opposing position? \n\n\n\n I realize that my discourse may seem overwhe lming or lacking space for oppositional discourse\, but\n\n\n\n when I thi nk of the black populace in the usa or beyond i dont think of a we. it is a set of many groups united only in skin or appearance\, some larger in po pulace\, some smaller in populace\, but not a we\, that can act as one who le unit.\n\n\n\n when I think of the black populace in the usa or beyond\,   I see many identities\, and not all are isolated\, some are congruent t o each other\, and I don't know of any authority in the black populace to give a label to one of the indentities to any black person\n\n\n\n when I think fo the black populace in the usa or beyond\, who can determine is br ainwashed. In my personal experience it isn't brianwashing but simply free choice that black people make that has led to frictions amongst black peo ple. When the black DOS christian churches in majority supported the war o n drugs\, which was a governmental program to cover the government creatin g and supporting multiple illegal drug industries in the black populace fo r the jim crowian purpose of harming the black populace\, it wasn't becaus e of brainwashing\, the black churches made a choice. The reason wasn't co mplicated. Black churches are not the oldest christian heritage in the bla ck populace of the usa. the oldest christian heritage in the black populac e of the usa is the negro spirituals of enslavement\, a heritage which has no bible\, cause black people weren't allowed to read\, nor a physical ch urch because black people weren't allowed to own land or have a home. \n\ n\n\n The black church heritage is the second oldest christian heritage in Black DOS history and is based on an integration with whites who wanted t o grow their religious communities with black members\, by building church es + schools for blacks. So\, the black church heritage was born of blacks willing to make deals with whites and place the responsibility of the bla ck populace in the usa on the black populace gardless of any white actions \, like burning a black town to the ground or making towns of black people sick or imprisoning town of black people\, all which happened more times than any court cases for it from 1865 to 1980. \n\n\n\n I am not a brainw ashing believer. I think humans make choices with full comprehension\, I t hink too many humans want to force mass action\, collective action and get frustrated when collective mass action is harder to achieve than they thi nk it should and call it brainwashing. \n\n\n\n I keep saying to you and profd\, alot of other black people don't think the way you do\, they are n ot wrong\, they are not right\, they are not brainwashed\, you two like my self\, must focus on finding and acting with likeminded black folk. \n\n\ n\n  \n\n\n\n so I say all of that to say\, I have nothing of value to ad d after your comment\, but I rather focus on positives and what can happen . Black people who are not interested in building something with other bla ck people solely\, are who they are. I can accept them. \n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20250114 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR