BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 4.7.23//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:http://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Economic Corner 5 - January 4th 2025  DTSTAMP:20250118T183912Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:141-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":troy@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n Universal Basic Income is coming\, fiscal capitalism with modern technological capabilities deletes the need for physical toiling h uman labor\, in regions in humanity that have the militaristic power + nat ural resources to maintainthe technological capability.\n\n\n\n But what a re some general problems? \n\n\n\n \n Giving money allows for those\, li ke telemarketers\, like similar scammers to acquire large profits. How can they be stopped absent a level of legal criminalization to such activitie s that is absent in the financially wealthiest governments. \n \n \n No modern multiracial populaces has a consistent legal or administrative hist ory of providing any service equally to individuals regardless of their ra ce: gender/phenotype/age/language/edutation level/health/financial value. So how can universal basic income?\n \n \n The ability of the usa to rais e its own debt or generate more debt for itself absent a fear of debt coll ection by its military power allows for a severe abuse in its general popu lace\n \n\n\n\n  The prime problem i see in the Black populace in the usa \, the phenotypical race made up of Black: DOSers/Caribbeana/Africana/Asia na/First Peoples\, is the belief from many Black people in the usa that bl ack people\, not non blacks \, are inadequate or irresponsible or somethin g similar to have Universal Basic Income.\n\n\n\n For Black DOSers this co mes from the legacy of enslavement and the minority of Blacks circa 1865 w ho were able to overcome white terror who suggested all black people could overcome said white terror but lacked something to do it. \n\n\n\n \n\n Finland’s universal basic income trial made people happier—but not emp loyed\n\n By Charlotte Jee \n\n February 11\, 2019\n\n\n\n A trial where unemployed people in Finland were given a basic income for two years did n ot get them into work—but it make them healthier and happier\, according to initial results. [ https://julkaisut.valtioneuvosto.fi/bitstream/hand le/10024/161361/Report_The Basic Income Experiment 20172018 in Finland.pdf ?sequence=1&\;isAllowed=y OR https://1drv.ms/b/c/ea9004809c2729bb/ETk UV74BKBlJrvXrruWIjFcBkmRyuTzQGqIF8iPqGMceOQ?e=O5jIJI ]  \n\n\n\n The ex periment: From January 2017 to December 2018\, 2\,000 unemployed people in Finland received an unconditional monthly payment of €560 ($634) instea d of their usual unemployment benefit (a similar sum). The goal was to see if this would help them get back to work. The pilot found that basic inco me recipients were no more likely to find work than a control group who di d not receive the payments. However\, they reported significantly better o verall well-being. A final report on the trial will be released in 2020.\n \n\n\n Universal basic income:  The idea [ https://www.technologyreview. com/2018/06/20/141704/basic-income-could-work-if-you-do-it-canada-style/  ]  is to give everyone the same monthly income\, regardless of means. I t’s a concept that’s grown in popularity in recent years\, as part of thinking around how to combat job losses and insecurity caused by automati on. It has also been tested in Canada\, Namibia\, India\, and other countr ies. [ https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/12/27/103611/universal-basic -income-had-a-rough-2018/ ]  \n\n\n\n Is that it?: Inevitably\, the res ults from Finland raise questions about whether UBI works. However\, it’ s worth pointing out that the data only covers 2017\, the first year of th e trial\, and it’s questionable whether focusing solely on people who ar e unemployed can really qualify as a “universal” basic income. We’ve got extra data to work with\, but the debate is far from settled.\n\n\n\n by Charlotte Jee\n\n\n\n URL\n\n https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/02 /11/66119/finlands-universal-basic-income-trial-made-people-happier-but-no t-employed/ \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n LINKED IN THE ARTICLE ABOVE\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n Basic income could work—if you do it Canada-style\n\n A Canadian p rovince is giving people money with no strings attached—revealing both t he appeal and the limitations of the idea.\n\n By Brian Bergsteinarchive p age\n\n June 20\, 2018\n\n\n\n Dana Bowman\, 56\, expresses gratitude for fresh produce at least 10 times in the hour and a half we’re having coff ee on a frigid spring day in Lindsay\, Ontario. Over the many years she sc raped by on government disability payments\, she tended to stick to frozen vegetables. She’d also save by visiting a food bank or buying marked-do wn items near or past their sell-by date.\n\n\n\n But since December\, Bow man has felt secure enough to buy fresh fruit and vegetables. She’s free r\, she says\, to “do what nanas do” for her grandchildren\, like havi ng all four of them over for turkey on Easter. Now that she can afford the transportation\, she might start taking classes in social work in a nearb y city. She feels happier and healthier—and\, she says\, so do many othe r people in her subsidized apartment building and around town. “I’m se eing people smiling and seeing people friendlier\, saying hi more\,” she says.\n\n\n\n Jim Garbutt sees moods brightening\, too\, at A Buy &\; Sell Shop\, a store he and his wife run on Lindsay’s main street. Sales are brisker for most of what they sell: used furniture\, kitchen items\, n ovelties. A Buy &\; Sell Shop is the kind of place where people come in just to chat—“we’re like Cheers\, without the alcohol\,” Garbut t says—and more and more people seem hopeful. “Spirits are up\,” he says.\n\n\n\n What changed? Lindsay\, a compact rectangle amid the lakes n ortheast of Toronto\, is at the heart of one of the world’s biggest test s of a guaranteed basic income. In a three-year pilot funded by the provin cial government\, about 4\,000 people in Ontario are getting monthly stipe nds to boost them to at least 75 percent of the poverty line. That transla tes to a minimum annual income of $17\,000 in Canadian dollars (about $13\ ,000 US) for single people\, $24\,000 for married couples. Lindsay has abo ut half the people in the pilot—some 10 percent of the town’s populati on.\n\n\n\n The trial is expected to cost $50 million a year in Canadian d ollars\; expanding it to all of Canada would cost an estimated $43 billion annually. But Hugh Segal\, the conservative former senator who designed t he test\, thinks it could save the government money in the long run. He ex pects it to streamline the benefits system\, remove rules that discourage people from working\, and reduce crime\, bad health\, and other costly pro blems that stem from poverty. Such improvements occurred during a basic-in come test in Manitoba in the 1970s.\n\n\n\n People far beyond Canada will be watching closely\, too\, because a basic income has become Silicon Vall ey’s favorite answer to the question of how society should deal with the massive automation of jobs. Tech investors such as Facebook cofounder Chr is Hughes and Sam Altman\, president of the startup incubator Y Combinator \, are funding pilot projects to examine what people do when they get mone y with no strings attached. Hughes’s Economic Security Project will pay for 100 people in Stockton\, California\, to get $500 a month for 18 month s. Y Combinator ran a small-scale test in Oakland\, California\, last year \; beginning in 2019 it will give $1\,000 a month to 1\,000 people over th ree to five years\, in locations still to be determined.\n\n\n\n This mome ntum figures to keep building as AI and robotics make even more inroads. L egislators in Hawaii are beginning to study the prospects for a basic inco me. The lawmaker who has led the effort\, Democrat Chris Lee\, worries tha t self-driving cars and automated retail checkout could be the beginning o f the end for a lot of human labor in Hawaii’s service-based economy. If machines can handle tasks in tourism and hospitality\, Lee says\, “ther e is no fallback industry for jobs to be created in.”\n\n\n\n But ther e’s an important difference between that vision for a basic income and t he experiment in Ontario. The Canadians are testing it as an efficient ant ipoverty mechanism\, a way to give a relatively small segment of the popul ation more flexibility to find work and to strengthen other strands of the safety net. That’s not what Silicon Valley seems to imagine\, which is a universal basic income that placates broad swaths of the population. The most obvious problem with that idea? Math. Many economists concluded long ago that it would be too expensive\, especially when compared with the co st of programs to create new jobs and train people for them. That’s why the idea didn’t take off after tests in the 1960s and ’70s. It’s lar gely why Finland decided not to extend a small basic income trial.\n\n\n\n If any place can illuminate both the advantages of basic income and the p roblems it can’t solve\, it will be Lindsay. The town is prosperous by s ome measures\, with a median household income of $55\,000 and a historic d owntown district where new condos and a craft brewery are on the way. But that masks how tough it is for a lot of people to get by. Manufacturing in the surrounding area\, known as the Kawartha Lakes\, has declined since t he 1980s. Many people juggle multiple jobs\, including seasonal work tied to tourism in the summer and fall. Technology is part of the story too: ro bots milk cows now.\n\n\n\n Basic income as a social equalizer\n\n The Old e Gaol Museum is indeed an old jail\, but it’s also a showcase for thing s that reveal the texture of Lindsay’s history—uniforms that nurses fr om town wore in France during World War I\; tools and maps used by railway workers when this was a hub for eight railroad lines\; 19th-century paint ings by a local artist who depicted the timeless regional pastimes of cano eing and fishing. When curatorial assistant Ian McKechnie gives me a tour\ , he stops and plays a lovely tune on a foot-pumped organ called a harmoni um that was made in Ontario more than a hundred years ago.\n\n\n\n McKechn ie\, 27\, has worked at the museum for seven years and is devoted to it. U nlike his previous job\, when he was briefly a laborer at a goat cheese fa ctory\, it offers a chance to be creative and connect with many people in the community. He doesn’t just give tours: he researches and organizes e xhibits and writes supporting materials. But on the day we meet\, the muse um is not paying him to be at work\, and therein lies a story about why he and the Olde Gaol’s operations supervisor\, Lisa Hart\, both signed up for the basic income.\n\n\n\n The museum gets almost all its revenue from grants\, and one just expired. The manager of the museum recently left\, a nd so it falls largely to McKechnie and Hart to keep things going until an other grant comes in. Even when it does\, these won’t be lucrative job s—perhaps $20\,000 a year for McKechnie’s. They could find positions i n the area that pay more\, but both would much rather continue their labor of love at the museum. Leaving now might undercut its momentum toward a m ore sustainable future\, which could include a new cultural center that wo uld connect the museum with a local art gallery.\n\n\n\n Thanks to the bas ic-income trial\, both can afford to stay on with the museum. And in the m eantime\, Hart says\, she will no longer put off buying new eyeglasses. Th e basic income “allows you to spend time on something that’s valuabl e\,” she says. “It’s very sad to walk away from something where yo u’re valued and doing something meaningful for the community because it just can’t pay you a lot.”\n\n\n\n This highlights an intriguing aspec t of basic income: it functions in different ways for different people. Th e way Hart describes it\, it’s fuel for cultural development. For Dana B owman\, who might now take classes in social work and regularly volunteers at a community garden\, it’s a food subsidy\, an educational grant\, an d a neighborhood improvement fund all in one. For a married couple who own a health-food restaurant that barely covers its costs\, it’s a small-bu siness booster. A man who hurt his back working in a warehouse told me he hoped it could augment his employer’s disability payments. A student who was about to graduate from a technical college and had a job lined up sai d he planned to use the extra income to pay down school loans and start sa ving for a house.\n\n\n\n For McKechnie\, the basic income is something br oader: a social equalizer\, a recognition that people who make little or n o money are often doing things that are socially valuable. “It gives one the assurance that the work you’re doing is not in vain\, even though y ou’re not working in a bank or doing other things that are considered pa rt of a career\,” he says.\n\n\n\n Even if a basic income turns out to b e a flexible and efficient government program\, it’s not clear that it w ould be a great way to respond to technological unemployment. Over and ove r again\, people in Lindsay told me it won’t reduce people’s demand fo r jobs.\n\n\n\n As a practical matter\, the Ontario trial doesn’t pay en ough to eliminate most people’s need to work or to rely on family for su pport. But even if a richer payout were feasible\, that wouldn’t change the philosophy of the program. Basic-income supporters want to improve the odds that people will take better care of themselves and their families. They want a humane and dignifying way of helping people who simply can’t work. But they also argue that most people generally want and expect to w ork. “It’s not supposed to be welfare for people displaced by technolo gy\,” says one of the basic-income advocates\, Mike Perry\, who runs a m edical practice in Kawartha Lakes.\n\n\n\n Moreover\, while giving poor pe ople money helps them\, it still leaves urgent and difficult questions una nswered about the impacts of automation and globalization. What will it ta ke to ensure that entire regions aren’t left far behind economically? Wh at can be done to boost the supply of good\, steady jobs? Basic income “ is only the beginning\,” says Roderick Benns\, former vice chair of the Ontario Basic Income Network. “It’s not just ‘cut a check and get on with building the corporatocracy.’ We have to ask what else we are doin g as a society to get people to reimagine what they can do with their live s.”\n\n\n\n Benns\, the author of several books\, grew up in Lindsay. Un til recently\, he and his wife\, Joli Scheidler-Benns\, lived three hours away\, but the pilot is so important to them that they moved back so he ca n chronicle it in a new publication called the Lindsay Advocate and she ca n do research for her PhD on the subject at York University. After Benns d escribes how basic income should augment job training and other social pro grams\, Scheidler-Benns\, who is originally from Michigan\, nods and then adds: “I don’t see how it could work in the US.”\n\n\n\n After all\, she says\, Canada does many other things to strengthen its safety net and reduce inequality. For one\, it has universal health care. School funding in Ontario is primarily allocated at the province level rather than being heavily dependent on local property taxes\, as it is in the US. Canada al so traditionally spends about 1 percent of its GDP on workforce-developmen t programs\, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and De velopment. That’s about half of the proportion in other advanced countri es\, but it still dwarfs the US figure\, which is about 0.3 percent.\n\n\n \n Funding a different mind-set\n\n\n\n Tony Tilly is the outgoing preside nt of Fleming College\, which specializes in preparing people in Kawartha Lakes for careers in both white-collar work and trades. About half the stu dents don’t come right from high school\; they’ve already been in the workforce and hope to learn a new skill.\n\n\n\n He supports a basic incom e because he thinks it could help people break out of poverty that has bes et their families for generations. But even if the program continues past the three-year trial period\, Fleming’s essential challenge would remain : how to prepare students for a world in which more and more tasks are bei ng automated.\n\n\n\n Fleming is still priming its graduates to work in tr aditional strongholds of the regional economy: jobs tied to the environmen t and natural resources\, infrastructure development\, mining\, constructi on\, and government. But the school is trying to instill a different mind- set from the one students had when Tilly became its president 14 years ago . They now get more emphasis on so-called soft skills: teamwork\, problem- solving\, personal interaction. Above all\, he says\, they need to know “not only how to do some particular job but how to contribute overall to the success of an organization\, whether it’s a manufacturer or a provi der of social services.”\n\n\n\n If the basic-income plan works as expec ted\, Fleming might get even more students than it otherwise would. Dana B owman could be one of them.\n\n\n\n It’s been years since she last had a paying job\, as a receptionist. She has been on disability for a variety of ailments\, including skin cancer and arthritis. But she feels she is up to doing some part-time work. In 2015\, two years before the basic-income trial\, Bowman asked a case worker if she could get help paying for trans portation to a Fleming campus that offers classes in social work. The offi cial said that would lead to cuts in other benefits Bowman relied on. The message Bowman says she got was: “You’re unemployable. You’re not wo rth investing in.”\n\n\n\n In contrast\, the basic-income plan ensures a minimum for her without micromanaging how she spends it. For every dollar that recipients earn above the minimum\, their payout from the province w ill be cut by 50 cents\, but no one is made worse off by working.\n\n\n\n Even being able to consider that prospect\, Bowman says\, has been good fo r her. “I don’t feel ‘less than.’ I feel ‘equal to.’ Not feeli ng guilty walking down the street\, thinking\, ‘I didn’t do enough tod ay\,’” she says. “People want to do something. People aren’t incli ned to do nothing.”\n\n\n\n by Brian Bergstein\n\n\n\n URL\n\n https://w ww.technologyreview.com/2018/06/20/141704/basic-income-could-work-if-you-d o-it-canada-style/ \n\n  \n\n\n\n Last Edition \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.c om/tc/topic/11377-economiccorner004/\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n Tool Deviantart Drea mup\n\n\n\n prompt: diamond italian renaissance door constructed by Lorenz o Ghiberti explaining Universal Basic Income \n\n artstyle dreamup\n\n as pect ratio 3:4\n\n prompt strength 20\n\n negative prompt : dull\, poor li ghting\, multiple images\,uneven\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n POST URL\n\n https://a albc.com/tc/topic/11402-economiccorner005/\n\n\n\n PRIOR EDITION\n\n\n\n h ttps://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/598-economic-corner-4-december-17th-2024/ \n\n\n\n NEXT EDITION\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/142-econom ic-corner-6-january-6th-2025 /\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/09/2026\n \n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12270-has-universal-income-gotten-closer -to-being-needed/#comment-79118\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @umbrarchist \n\n\n\ n \n On 1/7/2026 at 4:43 AM\, umbrarchist said:\n \n\n \n \n Coming fr om where?\n \n \n\n\n\n I don't know where. I have guesses but universal basic income if implemented is going to be such a large volume of money\, the upper echelons of finance and power will have to have a say in it.\n\n \n\n @ProfD \n\n\n\n \n On 1/7/2026 at 2:23 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n it won't happen until unemployment hits about 15% of the populatio n.😎\n \n \n\n\n\n hmm 350 million is approximately the population in t he usa. ten percent is 35 million. One percent is three point five million . so circa fifty two point five million need to be umemployed. Isn't that number already unemployed in the usa? \n\n\n\n white people say \n\n\n\n https://theworlddata.com/welfare-statistics-in-us/\n\n\n\n The welfare sy stem in America 2025 continues to serve as a critical safety net for milli ons of individuals and families facing economic hardship across the nation . These comprehensive programs provide essential support through food assi stance\, cash benefits\, healthcare coverage\, housing aid\, and tax credi ts designed to help low-income households meet their basic needs. The Unit ed States welfare programs include major initiatives such as the Supplemen tal Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)\, Medicaid\, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)\, Housing Choice Vouchers\, and the Earned Incom e Tax Credit (EITC)\, all administered by various federal agencies in part nership with state and local governments.\n\n As of 2025\, the total gover nment spending on welfare across federal\, state\, and local levels reache d approximately $1.5 trillion\, with Medicaid accounting for $742 billion and other welfare programs totaling $757 billion. These programs collectiv ely assist more than 72.5 million Americans during an average month\, repr esenting a substantial portion of the population that relies on government assistance to address food insecurity\, healthcare access\, housing stabi lity\, and income support. The welfare landscape reflects ongoing economic challenges\, demographic shifts\, and policy adjustments aimed at balanci ng assistance needs with fiscal responsibility while maintaining program i ntegrity and effectiveness.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n the CPS says that only 4.4%  of the population is unemployed but that makes no sense \, because most children don't work.\n\n if the usa has three hundred and fifty million p eople and one percent of three hundred and fifty million people is three m illion and five hundred thousand people\, then five percent is seventeen m illion and five hundred thousand. So the metropolitan populace of NYC is t wenty three million. \n\n If we round and measure loosely\, then the popu lation of NYC metropolitan is unemployed and the rest of the usa populatio n is working\, man woman and child. that is a lie. And with at least 72 mi llion americans receiving assistance\,  I argue why is that number less r elevant than unemployed? Why is it the horde of mcdonalds/wendy's workers who allow for unemployment percentage to be low more important than most o f them have public assistance?\n\n\n\n figures from here\n\n https://www.b ls.gov/cps/latest-numbers.htm\n\n\n\n The way the department of labor and others calculates labor is statistically manufactured.\n\n https://www.dol .gov/agencies/wb/data/Employment-Unemployment\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n In summar y\, since this is the economic corner\, the idea of universal basic income being needed with unemployment at 15% is dysfunctional for me. the unempl oyment percentage must first be recalculated with the intention of honest first and if it can't be then it is time to use the percentage of financia lly assisted people\, cause if you need financial assistance\, you are poo r. And said people needing financial assistance is already over the fiftee n percent threshold you state.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1 \n\n\n\n good questions\, financially valid question/issues you raise. all of them are in the debates now\, you know. those in power will dictate the details. I can only add what I think on the three questions. What will exactly happen ? I don't know. UBI is a big thing financially. it is a game changer so wh atever happens\, and even if it doesn't happen\, will have repercussions. Before I speak on the questions/issues and state my cases. If UBI don't ha ppen. then violence will grow and i guess the police state industry will g row. but I don't see how industries in the usa can continually raise price s and the violence from the masses not reach a potency unable to be contai ned or controlled by the police state. But\, maybe SCrumpt is beginning th at era. I Don't see how it can survive for two hundred and fifty years wit h the source of the violence being industries in the usa making cost of li ving too high. You can have drones and machine cops and electronic distinc t security systems and tagging people to quell violence  but I don't see how that can last over a hundred years with the violence inevitably having to grow with the way the industries raise the cost of living. And I want to end my introduction saying again\, Pioneer\, you and many black people I have heard or read in my lifetime talk about the rule of law. and it has a heritage for black people in the usa. We were enslaved to whites. befor e the usa was founded. The law\, not black violence towards whites\, not b lack fiscal activity when whites allowed\, has been how black people have personally or financially grown in these lands from european colonial circ a 1492 to 2026. So breaking the law is big\, cause the black populace in t he usa never had the ability to\n\n\n\n grant welfare checks to failed bla ck businesses\, like the white populace did for whites who completely fail ed their businesses\n\n\n\n offer free land to penniless blacks\, like the white populace did for penniless whites\n\n\n\n offer unevenly paid labor to penniless blacks\, like the white populace did for penniless whites\n\ n\n\n So I get it.Black people have always been in an uneven financial /le gal environment in the usa\, negatively biased or negatively favored to us . But 2026 and the coming future\, we have to change how we talk about our selves when it comes to the law. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n well onto my thought s to your questions and remember\, I Don't know what will happen. yes I ha ve opinions but\, we will all see \, what happens. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 1/7/2026 at 6:55 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n Will this be a C onstitutional Right\, or just a privilege?\n \n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n O n 1/7/2026 at 6:55 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n say something the g overnment doesn't like\, or break a law\, or commit an infraction....the g overnment reserves the right to lessen the amount or cut it off all togeth er.\n \n \n\n\n\n it makes sense that breaking the law will reduce the in come you get. The usa has a long heritage of legal precedence like that es pecially concerning black people\, with one caveat that only in the late 1 900s did black people have enough elected officials to even remotely look out for black interest. \n\n\n\n \n On 1/7/2026 at 6:55 PM\, Pioneer1 sa id:\n \n\n \n \n If everybody has a BASIC income\, then that means nobo dy will be broke or claim not to have enough money.\n \n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\ n\n \n On 1/7/2026 at 6:55 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n \n\n Whi ch means people who monitor your income and wages to sell you insurance or a car or a house can take advantage of the fact that they KNOW you have s o much money coming in and will charge you so much based on that.\n\n \n \n You can't claim you don't have any money or can't afford \"this\" or \"that\" because EVERYBODY is getting it so they KNOW you got it.\n\n \n \n You can't even tell a criminal or mugger that you're broke\, because they KNOW you'll have some money coming in at some point and time.\n \n \ n\n\n\n Your forgetting cost of living? even if UBI was given right now\, if it doesn't come with manipulations to cost of living industries\, espec ially the real estate industry\, then it doesn't offer a change in the cur rent situation even if implemented and I argue this is why it is going thr ough this long process. Because three industries will need to be overhaule d completely: health/home/food. the health industry keeps going up and up in cost\, that has to stop. rents or real estate evaluations keep going up and up\, that has to stop. Food costs keep going up and up\, that has to stop. IF those three things don't stop going up and up unendingly then UBI will be dysfunctional if not instantly \, eventually\,  once implemented .\n\n\n\n Arguably  all the financial industries including fiscal scams n eed the door closed on said industries. thus a process. And that goes back to the heritage of financial scams. Again\, how much money would black pe ople have if not for white burnings of our towns\, white thefts of propert y and money. how much if not for enslavement to whites. how much if not sh arecropping to whites. sharecropping is no different than the financial sc ams of today. The strongest financial heritage of the usa is financial sca ms in fiscal capitalism and blaming the people abused not the scammer\, wh ether the scammer be an enslaver committing a legal criminal act or sherif f using their badge/status to evade prosecution of their illegalities or c rimes or whomever... including specific types of other black people. Said specific types aren't thieves and drug dealers. Said specific types are bl ack churches who scam and cheat money for the community\, black home owner s who scam and cheat black renters. black elected officials who scame and cheat money through legislation. \n\n\n\n \n On 1/7/2026 at 6:55 PM\, Pi oneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n   It could possibly trigger massive inflatio n.\n\n \n\n Again\, if everybody is getting $2000 a month.....\n\n \ n\n The rent WAS $500 a month.\n\n But since we know everybody gets at least $2000 a month....let's raise it to $1000 a month!\n\n \n\n Infac t\, since most people are shacking up now a days anyway make the rent $200 0 a month and let them find a roommate and share a check between themselve s!\n \n \n\n\n\n inflation is headed to an untenable place\, before UBI.  \n\n\n\n The reality UBI's philosophical opponent is the uneven bootstra ps personal accountability model which was always disingenuous.\n\n\n\n Th at is how the fiat business model in the 1970s got to this point. The idea of printing your own money backed by your military isn't new\, but the us a's white populace in control \, in cheap hindsight\, made a huge error. I t was so worried about diminishing white wealth at the top that it allowed administrative inefficiencies to fester and thrive in at the fiscal top o f the ownership/shareholder class  till now the entire business community in the usa is filled with welfare recipients\, who are completely safe fr om the bootstrap personal accountability narrative\, ala too big too fail.  \n\n\n\n If I look at the usa from the 1970s\, the airline industry comp letely failed at least three times. The oil industry failed once. The auto motive industry completely or 90% failed two times. The banking industry c ompletely failed two times. The film industry completely failed three time s. The crypto industry completely failed two times. The real estate indust ry completely failed three times. The electronics industry completely fail ed once. Many other industries like hospitals or fast food chains have sla shed their inefficient buildups like star bucks or some hospital chains.  \n\n\n\n What is my point? \n\n\n\n The biggest inflationary generator is the welfare state for all the failed firms. The following firms based on their financial history had at least one year where they were  completely bankrupt\, bankrupt defined as unable to pay their bills after four quart ers\, and didn't go into bankruptcy that year but were allowed to retain e xistence through legal but financially uneven means\n\n\n\n welfare check from the government which the government paid by printing money\n\n\n\n so me sale to another firm who grew its debt to buy the carcass\n\n\n\n debts paid through the stock market which has in itself unregulated or financia lly uneven actors who added debt to themselves to buy shares\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n Apple\n\n\n\n NEtflix\n\n\n\n Google\n\n\n\n General Motors\n\n\n\n Warner Bros\n\n\n\n Chrysler\n\n\n\n Facebook\n\n\n\n OpenAI\n\n\n\n twitt er\n\n\n\n all the airlines\n\n\n\n a number of theater chains\n\n\n\n mal l chains\n\n\n\n starbucks and many other fast food chains\n\n\n\n am*zon\ n\n\n\n exxon\n\n\n\n goldman sachs\n\n\n\n jp morgan\n\n\n\n General elec tric\n\n\n\n universal studios\n\n\n\n most bitcoins or datamined currenci es\n\n\n\n most ai systems\n\n\n\n most hospital chains\n\n\n\n most real estate\n\n\n\n sony\, not even in the usa but i read that it is actually m ostly owned\, through shares\,  by people in the usa.\n\n\n\n many retire ment plans\, not all but many\n\n\n\n I can't think of one firm or financi al institution touted heavily in media in the usa that hasn't gone bankrup t as I see it in the past fifty years and should not exist today then if o ne treats all firms or financial institutions the same way\n\n\n\n  \n\n\ n\n So\, saving all those firms above is the cause of inflation Pioneer in the past fifty years. Cause whether it is\n\n\n\n the government printing money adding debt to the federal government\n\n\n\n other firms adding de bt to pay for their carcasses\n\n\n\n new/old  shareholders adding debt t o pay for the shares of their carcasses\n\n\n\n I don't see any financiall y even reason why any of those firms mentioned above and most of their pee rs in the usa should exist today. They are all failed firms\, and for the investment banks/automotive companies/crypto/real estate industries I was aware for them\, I was present of mind to see each of them have a complete financial collapse. So no one can give me any financially valid reason th ose four sectors should exist with the actors they do today.\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n Goldman should completely liquidated. To this day I still hear black people\, goldman got those MIT graduates. Well\, clearly MIT doesn't help a financial firm with billions of dollars of transactions per year\, argu ably the most of any financial firm in the world save itself from receiver ship. The Goldman with all their MIT graduates went to Washington DC and b egged for a welfare check and got it. so...  I don't want to hear about s ome black person somewhere with their few hundred grand mismanaging money and not warranting aid this way or that way.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Crypto \, again with all the asians \, especially chinese\, and supposedly smart fol k \, completely collapsed. Where was china's genious work force to save cr ypto? Instead a bunch of rich people with the help of Goldman and company\ , already saved by welfare check\, bought up all the crypto assets with de bt. again.. I don't want to hear about some black person on a nine to five job mishandling funds not warranting aid this way or that way.\n\n\n\n   \n\n\n\n The automotive companies who at one time in human history had a o ver ninety percent market share of the global automotive industry\, was gi ven a welfare check by the government. I read ford didn't want the check a nd was going to refinance\, which means add debt to cover the expenses of the firm\,  but the federal government didn't allow that for some reason\ , one day I will research and hopefully see why the federal government did n't allow it. So don't tell me about some black athlete who wasted million s not  warranting aid this way or that way.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n The real e state industry has collapsed multiple times and yet\, somehow is allowed t o be continually refinanced through debt. The real estate industry was eve n allowed to continue operation in NYC when small businesses were forced t o close. why? If the construction workers can keep building buildings whil e the virus is about why are small businesses forced to shut down for the virus? The real estate industry was so indebted that it was allowed to ski p the shutdown that many other industries were forced to do\, which hurt a nd hindered many other industries. So\, again\, don't speak to me about a black homeless person not getting their act together and not warranting ai d this way or that. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And my talk of warranting aid thi s way or that way completes the circle on universal basic income. The USA as it did after\n\n\n\n the war between the states\, letting completely im poverished formerly rich white southerners retain their property and finan cial accounts\, not treating them like benedict arnolds\, and allowing the m to continue financially uneven hiring practices through jim crow era.\n\ n\n\n the second white european imperial war\, commonly called war world 2 \, letting completely impoverished formerly rich white europeans in wester n europe or white asians in japan recover their real estate\, bank account s plus giving them welfare checks worth their entire industrial or financi al footing today.\n\n\n\n has saved countless completely impoverished form erly rich whites\, and some non whites in the usa retain their wealth thro ugh an unbounded debt allowances. \n\n\n\n So adding inflation for giving the fiscal poor money in my eyes is at the most financially warranted or at the least financially allowable based on recent past precedence.\n\n\n\ n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/10/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD \n\n\n\n \ n On 1/9/2026 at 1:14 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Obviously\, there are millions of people who cannot work for one reason or another.🙄😎  \n \n \n\n\n\n yes\, but the millions who are unable to work\, not cann ot work\, for one external reason or another\, is the issue.  \n\n\n\n B ased on the definitions below\, when we talk about the black populace in t he usa the statistics for employment\, don't consider\n\n\n\n black people in the armed forces which for many black people in small black towns is t heir only upward mobility\n\n\n\n black people in prison cause the black p opulace doesn't have the ability to generate or access labor pools with jo bs that provide adequate revenue for par standard of living.\n\n\n\n black people in old folks homes which has only grown over time. \n\n\n\n then you take the black populace outside the three above who are considered in the employment statistic and the following are not considered employed\n\n \n\n black people who volunteer without pay\, which is alot of black peopl e since the 1800s. When black people were teaching ourselves how to read t he black people who did it for free and only got room and board wouldn't b e considered cause food and board isn't money. Alot of the black panthers would not be considered with the school food program. \n\n\n\n Black peop le in unpaid internships or training programs\, which is many black people \n\n\n\n Black housewives is not considered even though many black women i n recent immigrant communities are housewives. \n\n\n\n So the 4.4% isn't related to 100% of the populace . it is a percentage of a percentage\, th at mostly blocks out people who are working. Just not getting money. Black soldiers[who are working cause being a soldier is work]+black imprisoned [note: who actually do work alot still and rarely get their proper wage sc ale ala 13th amendment slavey status]+black people in home care or old fol ks[many of whom make other... younger\, black peoples lives possible with their retirement benefits]+ black poor people getting food and board doing volunteer work[which is usually off books sporadic and thus not in the po lling time]+ black students getting unpaid internships or training[which i s very often but is work\, internships are work\, i remember internships a s a student\, unpaid\, that is work]+ black housewives who actually have t o clean the house and similar chores are all not included in the percentag e of people considered for unemployment[that is definitely work]. so...the issue isn't unable to work\, it is a statistic not including many who do work\, because it will show that the black populace at least is not lazy\, is full of people working\, BUT they are not:) getting a good wage. \n\n \n\n  \n\n\n\n white man says \n\n\n\n https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitio ns.htm\n\n\n\n Employment-population ratio\n\n\n\n The employment-populati on ratio represents the number of employed people as a percentage of th e civilian noninstitutional population. In other words\, it is the percen tage of the population that is currently working.\n\n\n\n The employment-p opulation ratio is calculated as: (Employed ÷ Civilian Noninstitutional P opulation) x 100.\n\n\n\n https://www.bls.gov/cps/definitions.htm#employed \n\n\n\n Employed\n\n\n\n In the Current Population Survey (CPS)\, people are classified as employed if\, during the survey reference week\, they m eet any of the following criteria:\n\n\n\n worked at least 1 hour as a p aid employee (see wage and salary workers)\n\n\n\n worked at least 1 hour in their own business\, profession\, trade\, or farm (see self-employed) \n\n\n\n were temporarily absent from their job\, business\, or farm\, whe ther or not they were paid for the time off (see with a job\, not at work )\n\n\n\n worked without pay for a minimum of 15 hours in a business or fa rm owned by a member of their family (see unpaid family workers)\n\n\n\n For criteria 1 and 2\, the work must be for pay or profit\; that is\, the individual receives a wage or salary\, profits or fees\, or payment in kin d (such as housing\, meals\, or supplies received in place of cash wages). For the self-employed\, this includes those who intended to earn a profit but whose business or farm produced a loss. See the definition of self-e mployed for further details.\n\n\n\n Each employed person is counted only once in aggregate employment statistics from the CPS\, even if they hold more than one job.\n\n\n\n The following are not considered employment i n the CPS.\n\n\n\n volunteer work\n\n\n\n unpaid internships\n\n\n\n unpai d training programs\n\n\n\n training programs not sponsored by an employer \, even if the trainee receives a public assistance payment for attending\ n\n\n\n National Guard or Reserve duty (weekend or summer training)\n\n\n\ n ownership in a business or farm solely for investment purposes\, with no participation in its management or operation\n\n\n\n jury duty\n\n\n\n wo rk around one's home such as cleaning\, painting\, repairing\, or other ho usework or home improvement project\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://www.bls.gov /cps/definitions.htm#population\n\n\n\n Civilian noninstitutional populati on\n\n\n\n The civilian noninstitutional population age 16 and older is th e base population group\, or universe\, used for Current Population Survey (CPS) statistics published by BLS. (See also geographic scope and refere nce of the CPS.)\n\n\n\n The civilian noninstitutional population exclude s the following:\n\n\n\n active duty members of the U.S. Armed Forces\n\n \n\n people confined to\, or living in\, institutions or facilities such a s\n\n\n\n prisons\, jails\, and other correctional institutions and detent ion centers\n\n\n\n residential care facilities such as skilled nursing ho mes\n\n\n\n Included in the civilian noninstitutional population are citiz ens of foreign countries who reside in the United States but do not live o n the premises of an embassy.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n  \n\n\ n\n \n On 1/9/2026 at 2:24 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n as I've sa id some months ago\, they simply don't count everybody.\n\n \n\n If th e unemployment numbers were accurate\, it would be above 20%.\n \n \n\n\n \n as our elders said in the 1950s. The sad truth about labor statistics i n the usa is how they are often cited by many from the mid 1900s to now an d yet\, that entire time frame people\, black + non black\, have called th em hogwash\, the dirty water cleaning the pig. \n\n\n\n \n On 1/9/2026 a t 2:39 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n The government can maintain con trol easily....by turning the people AGAINST EACHOTHER.\n\n \n\n That' s how many smart governments maintain power anyway.\n \n \n\n\n\n hmm I d on't think anything \, anything is easy. Doable? yes\, positive possibilit y? yes\, positive probability in attempt? yes... Easy? never\, nothing is easy. \n\n\n\n well\, is any government smart? a government isn't one per son... no government in human history is one person\, the myth of the tyra nnical madman controlling all on a throne is just that\,an untrue myth. To say any government is smart or dumb is to suggest an average of mentality which can not be proven. \n\n\n\n Strong governments are ones in which t heir will gets applied. Weak governments are ones in which their will gets applied. \n\n\n\n Gardless of the mental quality of the people in a gove rnment\, a government can be strong or weak. The war between the states di dn't happen because the usa government was smart or dumb \, it happened be cause the usa government was strong \, even though it included the likes o f Abraham Lincoln\, considered by many to be one of the smartest president s\, who opposed the war. Most in the government of the usa at that time wa nted war\, and were powerful enough to apply to war.  The congress in the usa has a majority of elected officials who don't want to do the work nee ded to make legislation that brings advantage to all in a populace of over three hundred and fifty million people who are not all of white european descent. So they are doing nothing. Now if advocacy movements were getting elected officials in congress to push for wise legislation you can say th e congress is weak cause the members don't want to do that but are being f orced to by an external group. Be careful giving false praise or false co ndemnation.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 1/9/2026 at 2:39 PM\, Pioneer1 said: \n \n\n \n \n The reason they didn't allow those businesses to fail was simple: they were and are providing goods and services the nation actuall y NEEDS\n \n \n\n\n\n you made a statement\, this is the economic corner\ , tell me one thing they provide that is needed. I repeated the list you c an copy and paste and simply write the one needed thing each provide. \n\ n\n\n Apple- \n\n\n\n NEtflix- \n\n\n\n Google- \n\n\n\n General Motor s- \n\n\n\n Warner Bros- \n\n\n\n Chrysler- \n\n\n\n Facebook- \n\n\n\ n OpenAI- \n\n\n\n twitter- \n\n\n\n all the airlines- \n\n\n\n a numbe r of theater chains- \n\n\n\n mall chains- \n\n\n\n starbucks and many o ther fast food chains- \n\n\n\n am*zon- \n\n\n\n exxon- \n\n\n\n goldma n sachs- \n\n\n\n jp morgan- \n\n\n\n General electric- \n\n\n\n univer sal studios- \n\n\n\n most bitcoins or datamined currencies- \n\n\n\n mo st ai systems- \n\n\n\n most hospital chains- \n\n\n\n most real estate - \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I will make my argument against any of them produci ng anything needed.\n\n\n\n Apple- apple has never produced a needed good\ , every single device or software they made could be sold off in bankruptc y\, and made open source.  \n\n\n\n NEtflix- never produced a needed goo d\, streaming has always had multiple agents and their entire streaming se rvice\, including their communication hubs could be sold off in bankruptcy to the highest bigger.\n\n\n\n Google- never produced a needed good\, its assets could had been sold off in bankruptcy or given to open source. Com petitors would had bought server systems or software went to open source o r non bought server systems went to colleges or universities in a second s elling off. \n\n\n\n General Motors- never produced a needed good\, this country has always had multiple and small auto manufacturers\, if general motors assets were put up for auction in a bankruptcy\, they small automak ers or others would claim what they needed and could increase their volume . \n\n\n\n Warner Bros- never produced a needed good\n\n\n\n Chrysler- li ke General motors\, see above. \n\n\n\n Facebook- like google\, see above . \n\n\n\n OpenAI- like facebook\, see above\n\n\n\n twitter- like openai \n\n\n\n all the airlines- never produced a needed good\,  most arilines don't even make planes so all their aircraft after bankruptcy can be sold and regional competitors or private individuals can buy the content or it can be resold on the international market. \n\n\n\n a number of theater c hains- never produced a needed good\, each theater chain is mostly real es tate which can be sold and if not given to the state. the machines to show movies can be sold to auction\, private individuals will buy a few\, the rest can go to schools. \n\n\n\n mall chains- never produced a needed goo d\, each mall is real estate\, each location can be sold after bankruptcy. \n\n\n\n starbucks and many other fast food chains- never produced a neede d good\, mostly real estate\, secondarily food machines\, afer bankruptcy   the real estate can be sold and the food machines can be sold\, some pe ople will get nice food machines in their homes. \n\n\n\n am*zon- never p roduced a  needed good\, the shipping aspect is real estate and warehouse machines all sellable to auction after bankruptcy\, the financial service s are bank accounts which should be liquidated after bankruptcy\,the elect ronic devices + machines to make them+ software can all be sold after bank ruptcy or made open source.  \n\n\n\n exxon- never produced a needed goo d\, after bankruptcy\, all the oil fields can be sold [ at best each to an individual] the tankers can be sold\, their are other oil producers and i nviduals can enter. The refineries can be sold after bankruptcy. And if no t given to colleges as training areas or broken up into parts for use in o ther industries. \n\n\n\n goldman sachs- never produced a needed good\, a ll their bank accounts or financial transaction accounts should be liquida ted and the financial software sold or made open source\, the financial re ports or private information held by a private legal entity for the indivi duals it pertains too. \n\n\n\n jp morgan- like goldman sachs\, see above \n\n\n\n General electric- never produced a needed good\, all their manufa cturing plants for their various parts can be sold to auction after bankru ptcy\, anything not sold can go to colleges in an open grab. their real es tate sold after bankruptcy. their computer software or server systems can be sold or made open source. \n\n\n\n universal studios- like waner bros\ , see above\n\n\n\n most bitcoins or datamined currencies- never produced a needed good\, all the real estate can be sold after bankruptcy\, all the server systems can be sold individually to unique buyers and then seconda rily in components\, the individual servers in the chain\, and then thirdl y in elements\, the parts that make up each individual server unit. \n\n\ n\n most ai systems- like bitcoin\, see above\n\n\n\n most hospital chains - never produced a needed good\, most city or state governments have gover nment hospitals so after bankruptcy all the medical technology can be boug ht by the state to use in government run hospitals or in auction to privat e individuals or boutique hospitals\, the real estate can be sold or demol ished for spare land\, paid for by the hospital.\n\n\n\n most real estate- never produced a needed good\, after bankruptcy \, all real estate that i s not paid for can be taken by the government and resold or demolished pai d for as a tax write off based on the cost of destruction and taken off th e debt by the bankrupt realtor.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Not one firm I listed i n my eyes makes a needed good. Not one. Some will say \, what about invest ors  to all of these failures. Bankruptcy denies the possibility of inves tors to recoup any investment. And I say\, an old song by a white man exis t\, which is what those investors need to learn. Knowing or Learning how t o lose is apart of financial reality\, fighting it is a mistake\n\n\n\n   \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n On a warm summer's evening\n\n On a train bou nd for nowhere\n\n I met up with a gambler\n\n We were both too tired to s leep\n\n So we took turns a-staring\n\n Out the window at the darkness\n\n 'Til boredom overtook us\n\n And he began to speak\n\n\n\n He said\, \"So n\, I've made a life\n\n Out of readin' people's faces\n\n Knowing what th e cards were\n\n By the way they held their eyes\n\n So if you don't mind my saying\n\n I can see you're out of aces\n\n For a taste of your whiskey \n\n I'll give you some advice\"\n\n\n\n So I handed him my bottle\n\n And he drank down my last swallow\n\n Then he bummed a cigarette\n\n And aske d me for a light\n\n And the night got deathly quiet\n\n And his face lost all expression\n\n Said\, \"If you're gonna play the game\, boy\n\n You g otta learn to play it right\"\n\n\n\n You got to know when to hold 'em\n\n Know when to fold 'em\n\n Know when to walk away\n\n And know when to run \n\n You never count your money\n\n When you're sittin' at the table\n\n T here'll be time enough for countin'\n\n When the dealing's done\n\n\n\n Ev ery gambler knows\n\n That the secret to surviving\n\n Is knowing what to throw away\n\n Knowing what to keep\n\n 'Cause every hand's a winner\n\n A nd every hand's a loser\n\n And the best that you can hope for\n\n Is to d ie in your sleep\n\n\n\n And when he finished speaking\n\n He turned back toward the window\n\n Crushed out his cigarette\n\n And faded off to sleep \n\n And somewhere in the darkness\n\n The gambler\, he broke even\n\n And in his final words\n\n I found an ace that I could keep\n\n\n\n You got t o know when to hold 'em\n\n Know when to fold 'em\n\n Know when to walk aw ay\n\n And know when to run\n\n You never count your money\n\n When you're sittin' at the table\n\n There'll be time enough for countin'\n\n When th e dealing's done\n\n\n\n You got to know when to hold 'em (when to hold 'e m)\n\n Know when to fold 'em (when to fold 'em)\n\n Know when to walk away \n\n And know when to run\n\n You never count your money\n\n When you're s ittin' at the table\n\n There'll be time enough for countin'\n\n When the dealing's done\n\n\n\n You got to know when to hold 'em\n\n Know when to f old 'em\n\n Know when to walk away\n\n And know when to run\n\n You never count your money\n\n When you're sittin' at the table\n\n There'll be time enough for countin'\n\n When the dealing's done\n\n\n\n Songwriters: Don Schlitz. \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n ProfD\n\n\n\n Members\n\n\n\n  6.8 k\n\n\n\n LocationWashington DC area\n\n\n\n Posted just now\n\n\n\n @ric hardmurray...maybe the white folks will read your dissertation above and b e motivated to speed up the Universal Basic Income (UBI).\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n \n However\, if/when UBI comes to fruition\, rest assured that Black folks will get the shortest end of it.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Boycott am*zon\n\n\n\ n  4k\n\n\n\n Author\n\n\n\n Posted 1 minute ago\n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n I think it is interesting how black people view our own employment as a gr oup in the usa\, we all often cite percentages white people made that when you look at it\, are dishonest about our situation as a people in the usa . I know i wrote a lote but i do think \, if the stranger reads my work\, I hope to have a balanced position. I don't want anyone to take my word fo r it. I want to support what I am saying\, thus the verbosity. I think it is functional.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n To shortest end\, let's be blunt\, the b lack populace started its journey in the usa 90% enslaved. \n\n\n\n Nothi ng is shorter than that. So\, based on Black Descended of Enslaved history which started alongside the white european enslavers. late 1400s in the l ands of the people commonly called native americans\, why should black peo ple get the longest end of anything? evenness? justice? but where does the source of justice or evenness come in the usa for black peoples\, especia lly descended of enslaved? \n\n\n\n Remember\, white wealth or power does n't come from today\, it comes from the past. A past in which white people s forebears killed First Peoples and took their land and Enslaved Black fo lk. Giving them a huge mountain of generational wealth that they made sure they kept for themselves. Wealth that had nothing to do with the USA. I k now you know the history. But\, \n\n\n\n Remember\, Black wealth or power comes from today\, not the past. First Peoples wealth or power comes from today\, not the past. In the past meaning late 1400s to mid 1900s 90% of black wealth in the european colonies that preceded the usa or the usa its elf was taken/burned/destroyed/stolen by whites. All 90% of DOSers have fr om our past is our spirit or will \, no financial inheritance. Half of all whites have an inheritance which stems from the past. \n\n\n\n So yes\, a shortest end\, but what else could it be\, if anyone is honest about the history of black people in the usa or the white european colonies that pr eceded it? \n\n\n\n Remember financially\, black people's overall conditi on didn't change at all with the revolutionary war. our condition was the same from 1492 to 1865. Then we had jim crow from 1865 to 1980. \n\n\n\n from 1980 to 2026 is 46 years. 46 years of being in a situation white peop le were in from 1492. That isn't an even situation\, financially. 600 year s of total white communal opportunity can not be equivalenced with 46 year s of majority black communal  activity?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n    3 minutes ago\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Of course\, because they are nosey as h8ll. \n\n\n\n well done:)\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/11/2026\n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   13 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Smart and dumb are relative to what the subject is being compared to.\n\n\n\n A nd that is why I shouldn't had replied. I was foolish in replying to your point about smart and dumb because if we don't see those two identities as the same way\, then outside of trying to convince each other\, which I at least have always spoken against. I hate proselytizing. Then nothing to t alk about really. I made a mistake. I hope not to make again.\n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n   13 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n With the exception of b itcoin and possibility twitter and goldman sachs\, all of the other corpor ations and firms you listed are essential for maintaining the economy and/ or high standards of living we've come to know in the United States as com pared to most of the rest of the world.\n\n \n\n They aren't ABSOLUTELY ne cessary like food\, clothing\, shelter\, and healthcare....but they are ne cessary for our modern way of life.\n\n \n\n \n\n In some respects\, you s eem to be condemning the very technology and standard of living the allows you to comfortably get your point across....lol.\n\n \n\n I had a friend who was a staunch socialist and condemned corporations left and right....b ut every time I saw her she kept a tall cup of Starbucks coffee and Frappu ccino in her hand\, lol.\n\n She'd hang out in Starbucks banging away on h er Apple laptop/tablet running down the very system she enjoyed....lol.\n\ n\n\n Expand  \n\n\n\n I have never eaten at starbucks.. oddly enough som e generational elders in my bloodline have eaten at starbucks when I haven 't. But\, the firms aren't necessary Pioneer. The technology doesn't requi re the firms.\n\n\n\n For example\, If I make a volumetric display system\ , energy efficient\, easy to use\,and I successfully start a firm... money is coming my way\, if I adhere to the process and get lucky. Lets assume all positive. \n\n\n\n But \, lets say thirty years from now the company is bankrupt by mismanagement\, like all the companies I just listed. . In thirty years every one financially capable will use my volumetric display system in games/home entertainment/mobile devices... so the technology wil l be part of many\, not all or most humans[remember most in humanity are n ot online\, it is a myth that everyone is]\, peoples lives. BUT\, the tech nology isn't my firm. When my firm files for bankruptcy\, all of its techn ology should be sold or made open source. Others will buy it or use the te ch in their own financial activities\, absent having to pay as part of the bankruptcy. So all my firms assets will simply be bought by others. The l aws can make sure it is only domestic buyers. And as for way of life? comp etitors buying my assets or competitors using open source will eliminate t he absence of a market player.\n\n\n\n For another example\, lets say I ow n a hospital chain. Has achieved a method to recover from cerebral damage or birth defects using acute neurotrophic electrodes systems aligned to hu man nervous systems through a large language model system. My hospital wil l get tons of clients and be successful. But\, lets say I mismanage it? wh y can't all our technology be sold or made open source? the building or bu ildings we have can be sold on the market\, and the bankruptcy can make su re the new owners use for hospitals. how has way of life been hurt? \n\n\ n\n  \n\n\n\n How am I condemning the technology or standard or living\, by stating the firms that are in control of them at the moment who have fa iled needed to fail properly? I don't know if you read my list stating how each firm does not produce a needed good and can go bankrupt\, because fo r each firm I also added\, how all their assets can be resold /made open s ource to continue use of technology or maintain way of life. The technolog y or way of life has no connection to the firms.  A proof I should had st arted with is\, all of those firms had rivals who no longer exists and wen t bankrupt\, in which many of them bought bankrupted rivals content? why c an't they go bankrupt? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Thank you for this. For the ec onomic corner I am very happy for this discourse. Because in all earnest\, one of the biggest financial viewpoints that I think splits many today \, is how we view failed firms. No firm is to big to fail\, and every firm \ , starting with the biggest needs to fail properly\, because bankruptcy al lows two important things to happen. \n\n\n\n 1)an industry realigns corr ectly with the absence of a bad player. \n\n\n\n 2) all the poor investor s are properly penalized for their bad investment. \n\n\n\n When I look a t the firms I mentioned being kept alive I argue\, all the bad investors a nd actors in those firms weren't properly penalized which has led to the m aintenance of a way of life\, but not the standard which you suggest but t he way of life of bad financial activity. \n\n\n\n Look at all these indu stries in the usa today\, they are woefully managed\, and you think the pe ople who managed them woefully should be maintained. \n\n\n\n I don't con cur to your position on treating failed firms with a save\, I don't feel w ay of life is hindered by bankruptcy\, but I bet many feel like you do\, w hich explains a lot. Because everytime  these firms get in trouble\, in t he last fifty years it is the same thing. And I see now why? In the last t wenty years the entire private banking/financial industry in the usa faile d . In this community we talk about distribution of wealth. That is when i t should had happened. Instead they were saved. Now people like you and ma ny others\,  most likely most others in the usa\, say it had to happen. B ut in 2026\, said financial system is still full of errors and woeful mana gement and isn't helping the larger financial environment in the usa.  So if not bankrupted and all assets placed to a closed market since some act ivity is private or delicate like pension funds for example which I think should happen\, it will need another too big too fail which you must suppo rt which will require more printed money\, but lead to an inevitable finan cial fallout later because the poor actors are still in the industry. Bank ruptcy kicks out poor financial actors. Government bailouts/stock market c onglomerating don't /subsidized industrial situations don't kick out poor financial actors. And financial actors who are trading the highest bracket s of money in my view\, need to be taken out more than any other in a smal ler financial scale.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I will place my list again\, in ca se you didn't read it. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Apple- apple has never produce d a needed good\, every single device or software they made could be sold off in bankruptcy\, and made open source.  \n\n\n\n NEtflix- never produ ced a needed good\, streaming has always had multiple agents and their ent ire streaming service\, including their communication hubs could be sold o ff in bankruptcy to the highest bigger.\n\n\n\n Google- never produced a n eeded good\, its assets could had been sold off in bankruptcy or given to open source. Competitors would had bought server systems or software went to open source or non bought server systems went to colleges or universiti es in a second selling off. \n\n\n\n General Motors- never produced a nee ded good\, this country has always had multiple and small auto manufacture rs\, if general motors assets were put up for auction in a bankruptcy\, th ey small automakers or others would claim what they needed and could incre ase their volume. \n\n\n\n Warner Bros- never produced a needed good\n\n\ n\n Chrysler- like General motors\, see above. \n\n\n\n Facebook- like go ogle\, see above. \n\n\n\n OpenAI- like facebook\, see above\n\n\n\n twit ter- like openai\n\n\n\n all the airlines- never produced a needed good\,   most arilines don't even make planes so all their aircraft after bankru ptcy can be sold and regional competitors or private individuals can buy t he content or it can be resold on the international market. \n\n\n\n a nu mber of theater chains- never produced a needed good\, each theater chain is mostly real estate which can be sold and if not given to the state. the machines to show movies can be sold to auction\, private individuals will buy a few\, the rest can go to schools. \n\n\n\n mall chains- never prod uced a needed good\, each mall is real estate\, each location can be sold after bankruptcy.\n\n\n\n starbucks and many other fast food chains- never produced a needed good\, mostly real estate\, secondarily food machines\, afer bankruptcy  the real estate can be sold and the food machines can b e sold\, some people will get nice food machines in their homes. \n\n\n\n am*zon- never produced a  needed good\, the shipping aspect is real esta te and warehouse machines all sellable to auction after bankruptcy\, the f inancial services are bank accounts which should be liquidated after bankr uptcy\,the electronic devices + machines to make them+ software can all be sold after bankruptcy or made open source.  \n\n\n\n exxon- never produ ced a needed good\, after bankruptcy\, all the oil fields can be sold [ at best each to an individual] the tankers can be sold\, their are other oil producers and inviduals can enter. The refineries can be sold after bankr uptcy. And if not given to colleges as training areas or broken up into pa rts for use in other industries. \n\n\n\n goldman sachs- never produced a needed good\, all their bank accounts or financial transaction accounts s hould be liquidated and the financial software sold or made open source\, the financial reports or private information held by a private legal entit y for the individuals it pertains too. \n\n\n\n jp morgan- like goldman s achs\, see above\n\n\n\n General electric- never produced a needed good\, all their manufacturing plants for their various parts can be sold to auct ion after bankruptcy\, anything not sold can go to colleges in an open gra b. their real estate sold after bankruptcy. their computer software or ser ver systems can be sold or made open source. \n\n\n\n universal studios- like waner bros\, see above\n\n\n\n most bitcoins or datamined currencies- never produced a needed good\, all the real estate can be sold after bank ruptcy\, all the server systems can be sold individually to unique buyers and then secondarily in components\, the individual servers in the chain\, and then thirdly in elements\, the parts that make up each individual ser ver unit. \n\n\n\n most ai systems- like bitcoin\, see above\n\n\n\n most hospital chains- never produced a needed good\, most city or state govern ments have government hospitals so after bankruptcy all the medical techno logy can be bought by the state to use in government run hospitals or in a uction to private individuals or boutique hospitals\, the real estate can be sold or demolished for spare land\, paid for by the hospital.\n\n\n\n m ost real estate- never produced a needed good\, after bankruptcy \, all re al estate that is not paid for can be taken by the government and resold o r demolished paid for as a tax write off based on the cost of destruction and taken off the debt by the bankrupt realtor.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   6 h ours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Outside of China and North Korea\, mos t socialist states aren't good at generating wealth and producing goods an d services.\n\n They are good at REDISTRIBUTING them once they've taken th em from somebody who HAS produced them.\n\n \n\n We need to learn a lesson how to NOT be like most socialist systems and make sure we can build our own products and provide our own services from the ground up instead fight ing eachother over White left-overs.\n\n\n\n What is socialism is the firs t question? Pioneer I don't know how you define socialism but the followin g is mine. \n\n\n\n Socialism is a multifaceted concept which has forms f or each aspect in society designed to create classlessness\, or no tiers i n the humanity utilizing it. Unlike fiscal capitalism which is a primarily financial idea and promotes by definition financial castes. Socialism inv olves\, financial+ governmental+cultural pathways distinct from each other . Financially\, socialism is an intricate  bartering system of labor and goods absent currency\, why\, the accumulation of currency creates financi al castes thus a class based system. While bartering only labor and goods and services means each individuals merit or the merit of the land are the only factors in fiscal trading\, which can be aligned efficiently in calc ulated measure. Governmentally\, socialism is a military state where each citizen with no exception is a member of the military and thus the chain o f command  is all that is needed. Elected officials or governors are not needed. Yes each military has a ranking system but it is a false assumptio n to think rankings have to serve the model in western europe. Culturally\ , socialism is an eradication of all old ranking systems based on prior he ritages for a new heritage of one peoples\, with no bounds. \n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n How many socialist countries existed in history to modernity ? I ar gue none. \n\n\n\n Russia in the soviet era/China/North Korea/Cuba/Ethiop ia in the period immediately after haille selassie /many countries in east ern europe who were militaristically aligned to the soviet union were labe led socialist but none were socialist. \n\n\n\n All of them were fiscal c apitalist first and foremost.\n\n\n\n The soviet union was never socialist . If it was it would had never had a currency or sold weapons or services for cash\, let alone their treatment of cossacks and chechyens. Communism is a form of socialism\, but it is mostly fiscal capitalistic. Communism i s fiscal capitalism with the financial system having the government as the sole domestic company\, the governmental system has no multivisive partie s of governance\, culturally allows the majority populace to dictate the c ulture. The usa called itself a democracy\, where each state in the union had to have a democratic government\, a government where the people rules\ , but the entire souths majority populace were enslaved to a minority? how is that a rule of the people when most people are not ruling themselves? so countries give themselves false labels. \n\n\n\n China has never been socialist. If it was it would never had elected officials or peoples like the ugyars or tibetans as \"outsiders\"\, let alone their financial activi ty which was fiscal capitalsit in mao's time.  It is also communist. \n\ n\n\n North Korea is a monarchy that uses communism to mask its monarchic truth. \n\n\n\n Cuba has always been an chiefdom from spain to now using fiscal capitalism. Cuba was a territory of spain. Spain was too weak to pr otect or manage cuba\, so even before the usa took the territory\, the spa nish governor was a chief. The usa took over the territory  and the leade r of the army became the chief\, ala batista. Then Fidel defeated Batista and became the chief. But cuba was always fiscal capitalistic. \n\n\n\n E thiopia was communistic\, and again\, what that meant was fiscal capitalis ts who killed the emperor and various other former regals by bloodline. Bu t they were never socialist. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Now to what black americ ans [those with enslaved forebears to the american continent[[canada to ar gentina]] over an ocean]should be doing for a better tomorrow. Well\, tryi ng to implement a truly socialist system in the usa or any country in the american continent including cuba is a large challenge. I will not say imp ossible. But\, harder than other options simply because every country in t he american continent\, canada to argentina\, is fiscal capitalistic. \n\ n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Communism is as close to socialism as equality  is to fi scal capitalism. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pr ofD\n\n\n\n   7 hours ago\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Many of us know Black history. The question remains what are we going to do to right the wrongs committed against our ancestors up to present.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n If Black people are unwilling to kill and destroy in order to reclaim wealth stole n from us\, just like Haiti\, we'll remain in this position into perpetuit y as well. \n\n\n\n Is that the right question? No human can undo the pas t\, no human. And nothing you do in the future rights the past. For exampl e\, all the money white jews have extracted for other white people or whit e jews nationalist agenda/scheme for israel led by their zionist sub group doesn't right the holocaust or what happened in spain or elsewhere in eur ope. Another example\, every single human being who laments a loving one w ho has passed for not spending enough time can't do anything to right that ? because it is the past\, someone involved is dead so nothing can be chan ged. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n The haitian revolution is the most successful ac tion by Black Americans [Black Americans defined as all black people livin g in modern day canada to argentina whose forebears were forced across an ocean to the american continent]. But the haitian revolution didn't right the past. The haitian revolution made the platform for a positive future\, which happened for a while in haiti. The most beautiful time Black people had in the american continent. The fact that haiti is surrounded on all s ides [north south east west ]by white/mestizo/mullato enslavers of black p eople made the long term hard.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I argue the question is\, what do we black americans want to leave to future generations of us ? And the problem is\, black americans have never been united on that. We all have an answer to that question. But\, we rarely have a similar one\, and that isn't even uneven because unlike all others in the american conti nent\, we black americans alone were forced to immigrate to this continent [canada and argentina] and thus our forebears gave us the freedom to choos e whatever we want looking forward. Black americans are not beholden to an y place in the american continent\, if we don't want\, not black africans[ africa from morocco to egypt to south africa]\, not  black asians [asia from india\, south east asia\, australia]\, not black europeans [from turk ey to england]  or non blacks\, \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n So\, this means blac k americans tend to bicker on what we want to leave the future generations . \n\n\n\n Frederick Douglass + MLK jr + Michelle Obama or similar Black Americans want to leave to future Black Americans an pan racially positive ly integrated society where black individuals can thrive amongst all other humans. \n\n\n\n The Exodusters + Black PAnthers or similar black americ ans  want to leave to future Black Americans regions/zones in majority no n black countries where black americans own and thrive\, as part of non wh ite countries.\n\n\n\n The Haitian from Jean Jacque dessalines to Henri Ch ristophe + the Black loyalist who fought to stop the usa from being born\, the quilombos orwar bands of Brasil or the greater south america or simil ar black americans want to leave to future black americans nations\, new p laces for black people to thrive\, built from war  while secure from war afterward. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Notice in each \, thriving is what all wan t. black success is what all want. But\, the way is not the same. \n\n\n\ n So\, ProfD \, what do you want to leave future generations of Black Amer icans? \n\n\n\n No answer is wrong. No answer is wrong. But any answer ma y not be what another black person wants. \n\n\n\n Whatever answer your g ive I am willing to help you think about it.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   5 hours ago\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n It's definitely both...being able to bui ld\,  produce and generate wealth in addition to being able to kill in or der to protect and/or amass more wealth.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n We really don' t have to kill or destroy other non-white folks in order to be free and am ass wealth.\n\n\n\n  What your talking about is doing two things that don 't work together. White americans [whites who came freely\, whether invite d or not legally or not\,  to the american continent from anywhere on ear th] are learning this lesson now. You can't be the bully + the friend. You have to pick one. \n\n\n\n If you are the bully\, expect violence from o thers and don't try to cover yourself in false goodness. \n\n\n\n If you are the friend\, expect to lose wealth in the market place and embrace wha t a peaceful world truly is. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n As for black folk... wel ll... again\, what is freedom? what is wealth?\n\n\n\n Now I said earlier I am willing to help you in discourse. \n\n\n\n So my questions to you ar e the following  \n\n\n\n When you speak of freedom or massing wealth ar e you talking about black people throughout all humanity or just the ameri can continent\, canada to argentina or just the usa? \n\n\n\n When you sp eak of freedom\, hoow do you define freedom? is it voting? is it money? is it protection from non blacks? is it protection from blacks? Does the fre edom you speak of include integration with non black positively? \n\n\n\n When you speak of amassing wealth? how do you define that explicitly? is it bank accountS? or is it qualities in the communities black people live in? does it involve financial security for the wealth?\n\n\n\n All black p eople want empowerment or betterment\, but the key is the details\, What d o you want for the future Black Americans?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 0 1/12/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @ProfD \n\n\n\n ok\, \n\n\n\n 1)when you close your eyes for the last time you want to leave so mething for FBA/Afro Americans. That is a large group of people. Hopefully you can have a more focused group within FBA/AFro Americans in the future .\n\n\n\n 2) YYou want a financial return  of undisclosed value or undisc losed form to Afro Americans for injustices done to us in the past. Not al l afro americans desire said return or feel said return is warranted. Do y ou accept the challenge of wanting a desired thing for all Afro Americans when All Afro Americans don't want it? if you do\, then how do you see get ting said returns for those Afro Americans who venture for it? I do think it would be wise to have an exact idea of how much and in what form should the debt be paid. \n\n\n\n 3) You want a fully comprehensive communal pl an\,ala multilayered approach. The black sororities/nation of islam/garvey ites have each had the closest example of that approach\, but all are mino rity populaces within the Black DOS populace in the usa. Have you consider ed being apart of or starting a group within the Black DOS populace in the usa\, that can achieve this goal and 2? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I don't know you. But I think wherever you live in the usa\, if you do live in the usa \, a group of Black Descended of Enslaved peoples in where you live in the usa can achieve a debt return in a financial form\, while have a holistic community that is potent or secure in all aspects of government/finance w hile a completely legal and integrated part of the usa. I think with the r esources I assume you have\, effort\, energy\, you can build the basis of the community your points desire in one state in the union. Nothing is eas y of course\, but it can be done. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n All black groups ar e trying to improve. All black groups don't feel they need to reclaim what was lost through any means. Some black groups are content to the past. I am not saying they are right or wrong\, and I don't concur. But\, all blac k groups are trying to improve by all means they can muster. \n\n\n\n  \ n\n\n\n w\n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\ n\n I AM curious as to how YOU define \"smart\" and \"dumb\" if you see th em differently than I do.\n\n\n\n It is simple\, smart or dumb can't be ap plied to groups of people. You accept the idea that a group can be labeled smart or dumb. I do not. Individually \, humans can be ignorant\, lacking knowledge\, lacking erudition\, the ability to derive knowledge\, lacking wisdom\, intrinsic perceptions of life that can only be gained through ex perience or an individuals natural ability. Groups simply succeed or fail in objectives. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\ n\n You haven't eaten there\, but have you DRANK from there?\n\n\n\n no i haven't. to be blunt\, many people haven't. NYC is full of starbucks\, but you will clearly be surprised how many don't partake of all these chain s tores. I think you have an assumption from whereever you live\, that isn't true everywhere else. The one thing you may not see is starbucks has neve r been cheap. I have never seen the local delis absent people wanting coff ee. And my family have gotten quite a few cups of coffee or tea from local delis traveling about. \n\n\n\n I actually because of a family member we nt to a place called Mochi's\, and that was following them:) \n\n\n\n  \ n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n We're starting to get in to technical matters when it comes to whether they're \"necessary\" or \"r equired\".\n\n What IS necessary besides food\, clothing\, shelter\, and h ealthcare????\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Those firms are an essential part of what it takes to maintain the high standards of living the most Americans have come to enjoy and expect.\n\n And there is more to come.\n\n\n\n \n\n If you remove them\, maybe people wouldn't die in mass numbers however removi ng them or letting them collapse would drastically reduce the quality of l ife for most Americans and take away the incentive to work and live in thi s society for many.\n\n\n\n \n\n They are what gives America her \"edge\" on the rest of the world.\n\n\n\n Expand  \n\n\n\n The usa military is wh at gives the usa the edge and the usa military is ahead of all other milit aries when it comes to weapons and weapons systems or security systems. \ n\n\n\n As for essential\, again\, the firms aren't essential\, their tech nology is\, but the technology isn't attached to them. and the market can easily find new buyers. \n\n\n\n This is the economic corner:) \n\n\n\n The question is this\, why are you sure/certain that if the firms I said g o bankrupt when warranted and have all their assets placed into market or made open source as need be would lead to the inability of the services fr om their assets or technology to maintain an interaction with the populace of the usa absent a large delay? \n\n\n\n Are you suggesting the federal government and state governments would take too long for bankruptcy? or b otch bankruptcies in some way?\n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n\n Well first of all THAT type of technology that actually heals the h uman brain and corrects birth defects are so valuable and essential that t he government SHOULD have that information or technology anyway regardless as to how any private institution want to use it.\n\n Once it has been an nounced that you have technology that important and precious....it should be immediately shared with the government so that it is protected.\n\n\n\n Now......\n\n\n\n \n\n As far as the institution who came up with it-\n\n \n\n If YOU mismanage it...then YOU get disciplined up to losing your job. \n\n The hospital corrects itself\, and moves on helping and healing peopl e.\n\n That's how THAT should work.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Expand  \n\n\n\n F irst the whole point of patents is financial\, to give the owner of a pate nt a fiscal claim on the production or use of an item they made.but patent doesn't mean the use of the technology  is open to the government with b ankruptcy. You don't lose your patent going bankrupts and you can sue the government for using it absent your permission. Corporations have done thi s. Second\, in my example I didn't say I worked at a  hospital\, I said i owned the hospital. Private hospitals exist all over NYC. Are you suggest ing private hospitals shouldn't exist? And in my example i mismanaged the funds of hospitals i own and thus went bankrupt. This happened in NYC mult iple times. It isn't unheard of.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\,  Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Because hospitals and airlines affect and save far too many lives to simply be ALLOWED to fail just to prove a point.\n\n Ma ybe the government takes them over and controls them for a while until the y get their act together\, but don't let them collapse.\n\n\n\n I find it interesting that many black people like yourself talk about black people b eing financially efficient in their activity as owners or consumers while talking about white people\, who own all the companies i mentioned\, faili ng to be financial efficient as owners or consumers and yet having no pena lty. So you suggesting a financial double standard of bad financial actors based on phenotype? you have to say yes. \n\n\n\n In the last five years \, in NYC\, I can recall at least five hospital completely closed. No gove rnment takeover\, completely closed. The city didn't fall under. PEople co mplained but it was completely warranted. The fiscal capitalsim in the fut ure of the usa \, if it is to be even to all peoples can't allow whites or males to never collapse no matter what while blacks or females or everyon e not white male has to deal with consequence. \n\n\n\n So\, finally\, yo u accept bankuptcy followed by government take over\, to maintain services . ok. \n\n\n\n I like that i have found a particular financial philosophi cal friction between us. \n\n\n\n You are a fiscal capitalist\, but you d islike the idea of services being lessened through bankruptcy. I don't sup port that\, but it is great in the economic corner. Maybe I need to make a list of financial notes from you and profd. financial particulars. \n\n\ n\n I think the market can easily by and continue needed services if warra nted. and if not warranted then the service is gone. \n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n What you're describing is pretty much inco mpatible with human nature.\n\n\n\n There is no society human or animal th at functions without classes and tiers.\n\n\n\n yes complete classlessness is  impossible among humans who give themselves names. BUT\, the governm ents that call themselves socialists have never actually tried. Do you com prehend the point. the point isn't about reaching socialism\, it is about the claim of socialist countries failure. The countries you mentioned aren 't socialist. they are fiscal capitalist. Again\, communism is no way near socialism. communalism is really fiscal capitalsim with the faintest touc h of socialism. \n\n\n\n The usa government has always been a fiscal oper ator. The communist simply made all firms owned by the government.  The d ifference between communism and fiscal capitalism is the percentage of all owance of private enterprise+ the environment for parties of governance.\n \n\n\n Fiscal capitalism wants complete fiscal capitalism with unfettered private enterprise while the role of government is to act as a legal or se curity lever against malfeasance.\n\n\n\n Communism wants complete fiscal capitalsim with very restricted private enterprise so the government doesn 't have to bother cleaning up the mess of private enterprise ala bankruptc y\, and ideally though only china has come close\, generate the free marke t enterprise environment through government owned business.\n\n\n\n but so viet russia + china from mao on\, always had private ownership in places.  \n\n\n\n As for parties of governance again\, china has always had at le ast two parties from its founding and has I think four or five now. And ru ssia also always had minority parties. But again\, this has nothing to do with socialism. This is fiscal capitalism. \n\n\n\n Fiscal capitalism wan ts government to have independent actors or parties free to be born and di e\, which deletes the king from coming through government. \n\n\n\n Commu nism wants government to have one major party which through its infighting \, which happens often in china's only major party \, resists kings. \n\n \n\n The difference communism is fiscal capitalism with two changes that a re not socialistic in nature. If anything the problem with russia was they didn't comprehend how to actually have the russian government as the sole fiscal operator and when I think on the history of General electric the a nswer russia needed was in them. but they missed it. \n\n\n\n   1 hour ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n This society is far too complex to operate without currency.\n\n\n\n I think a solution exists that I have never seen tried\, so it can't be proven. But\, I don't think so. \n\n\n\n   1 ho ur ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n What about the military itself?\n\n How would it operate without rank\; or would it even EXIST in your ideal Socia list society?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Why do you always make my positions claim s on my identity? I am not a socialist\, I am not a monarchist\, I am not a fiscal capitalist\, but I comprehend them all. It isn't my ideal. If you had said example\, which is the word I used\, then I wouldn't have proble ms\, but you said my ideal. why that? \n\n\n\n To answer your questions I merely quote myself. wish you had read it the first time\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n \n   19 hours ago\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n What is socialism is t he first question? Pioneer I don't know how you define socialism but the f ollowing is mine. \n\n\n\n Socialism is a multifaceted concept which has forms for each aspect in society designed to create classlessness\, or no tiers in the humanity utilizing it. Unlike fiscal capitalism which is a pr imarily financial idea and promotes by definition financial castes. Social ism involves\, financial+ governmental+cultural pathways distinct from eac h other. Financially\, socialism is an intricate  bartering system of lab or and goods absent currency\, why\, the accumulation of currency creates financial castes thus a class based system. While bartering only labor and goods and services means each individuals merit or the merit of the land are the only factors in fiscal trading\, which can be aligned efficiently in calculated measure. Governmentally\, socialism is a military state wher e each citizen with no exception is a member of the military and thus the chain of command  is all that is needed. Elected officials or governors a re not needed. Yes each military has a ranking system but it is a false as sumption to think rankings have to serve the model in western europe. Cult urally\, socialism is an eradication of all old ranking systems based on p rior heritages for a new heritage of one peoples\, with no bounds. \n\n\n \n  \n\n\n\n How many socialist countries existed in history to modernity ? I argue none. \n\n\n\n Russia in the soviet era/China/North Korea/Cuba /Ethiopia in the period immediately after haille selassie /many countries in eastern europe who were militaristically aligned to the soviet union we re labeled socialist but none were socialist. \n\n\n\n All of them were f iscal capitalist first and foremost.\n\n\n\n The soviet union was never so cialist. If it was it would had never had a currency or sold weapons or se rvices for cash\, let alone their treatment of cossacks and chechyens. Com munism is a form of socialism\, but it is mostly fiscal capitalistic. Comm unism is fiscal capitalism with the financial system having the government as the sole domestic company\, the governmental system has no multivisive parties of governance\, culturally allows the majority populace to dictat e the culture. The usa called itself a democracy\, where each state in the union had to have a democratic government\, a government where the people rules\, but the entire souths majority populace were enslaved to a minori ty? how is that a rule of the people when most people are not ruling thems elves? so countries give themselves false labels. \n\n\n\n China has neve r been socialist. If it was it would never had elected officials or people s like the ugyars or tibetans as \"outsiders\"\, let alone their financial activity which was fiscal capitalsit in mao's time.  It is also communis t. \n\n\n\n North Korea is a monarchy that uses communism to mask its mon archic truth. \n\n\n\n Cuba has always been an chiefdom from spain to now using fiscal capitalism. Cuba was a territory of spain. Spain was too wea k to protect or manage cuba\, so even before the usa took the territory\, the spanish governor was a chief. The usa took over the territory  and th e leader of the army became the chief\, ala batista. Then Fidel defeated B atista and became the chief. But cuba was always fiscal capitalistic. \n\ n\n\n Ethiopia was communistic\, and again\, what that meant was fiscal ca pitalists who killed the emperor and various other former regals by bloodl ine. But they were never socialist. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Now to what black americans [those with enslaved forebears to the american continent[[canad a to argentina]] over an ocean]should be doing for a better tomorrow. Well \, trying to implement a truly socialist system in the usa or any country in the american continent including cuba is a large challenge. I will not say impossible. But\, harder than other options simply because every count ry in the american continent\, canada to argentina\, is fiscal capitalisti c. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/14/2026 \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD \n\n\n\n   On 1/12/2026 at 9:06 PM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Someone has to be part aking of Starbucks there in order for the doors to remain open. \n\n\n\n not as much as you think. Think of recent economic history.\n\n\n\n  \n\n \n\n Netflix  spent near ten years absent making a profit every year\, bu t how did it survive?\n\n\n\n stock market activity/debt allowance from wh omever. \n\n\n\n So\, while people are in starbucks\, how profitable was it really? how many people really?\n\n\n\n Look at the streaming model... how many streamers push commercials now? remember when it started\, you pa y for a service\, no commercials. But again\, that is a bad business model . \n\n\n\n The cost of electricity\, the cost of actors\, the cost of pay ing for content\, the cost for your administration can not be mushroomed i nto the yearly subscription fees. Old television didn't have commercials b ecause it was old fashioned\, that is the only viable financial option. \ n\n\n\n All the firms with streaming platforms have accumulated how much d ebt? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I thank you and @Pioneer1 for your thoughts in this post\, it exposes some clear financial flaws in modernity\, led by t he usa. \n\n\n\n Look at sports teams\, who raise ticket prices. \n\n\n\ n The allowance of Debt\, which the usa government itself accumulates an e ver increasing rate since the 1970s\, allows for many firms or industries that have negative financial practices to get away with it. \n\n\n\n And again\, the usa military is why the debt generation of the usa government plus the privately owned firms registered in the usa is never called in. I t isn't any fiscal capitalistic model or need or strategy. The mob boss ca n't be called in for owning anything. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And again this connects to me and Pioneers dialog in this commentary about Bankruptcy. I think it is a highly needed tool to stop the cycle of debt allowance from financial institutions + revenue from speculative stock market activity wh ich alot of times isn't based on the ledger of firms. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 01/18/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic /12270-has-universal-income-gotten-closer-to-being-needed/#findComment-794 52\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1 \n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1 sai d:\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n What about MENSA\, the globally recognized group for people with extremely high IQ's?\n\n What about certain special education classes for those with intellectual disabilities?\n\n\n\n globally recogn ized? not everyone views Mensa like that? humanity is quite large you know . \n\n\n\n disability does not make one dumb and to education... i argue education is rarely designed functionally\, anywhere in humanity.\n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n I don't believe there are any d umb nations.\n\n I believe some nations are SMARTER than others...\n\n\n\n so you believe in smarter and neutral\, not smarter or dumber... ok\n\n\n \n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Why is this?\n\n Why is the U.S.A. military so powerful and effective?\n\n\n\n simple things but power ful things\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n two big oceans border the country\,\n\n\n\n neighbors who have always been impotent or at least not able to strike har d\, and only two by land. \n\n\n\n a financial history\, including the wh ite european colonial\, where inequal or uneven financial system allowed f or the production of weapons at larger quantities than most\, not quality \, but quantity. For me\, nazi germany or soviet russia built better weapo ns by a mile than the usa\, but no one produces more than our friendly nei ghborhood white slaver. \n\n\n\n a media machine\, originally designed to unite whites who had competing heritages historically\, that many outcast of groups/communities/collectivies celebrate as a way to be their individ ual self in spite of a said group. this yielded and yields traitors throug hout all humanity including white populaces\, and sometimes only for infor mation\, not murder or similar. but useful. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n No weapon the usa has is exclusive to the usa\, but usa has more of them. But none of the usa military rivals had enslavement like the usa. russia was an emp ire and cossacks and checyens were abused but they weren't enslaved like b lacks to whites in the usa. The soviet union has a pro european bias in it s populace\, a heritage from the czars\, but russia has been battling all of its life it has never been far from a rival. China has never been far f rom a rival\, and its neighbors have at times been far more powerful. \n\ n\n\n so the usa has fortune on its side\, most empires do. IT isn't smart s or intelligence.\n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Howe ver public hospitals in my opinion should predominate.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n hmmm\, the heritage of the usa is private care\, ala fiscal capitalism\, i f you can pay for a doctor you have one. public hospitals heritage in the usa is from pro bono work\, not for profit.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Sometimes the GOOD or SERVICE being offere d is so necessary that who the company is ran or the fiscal responsibility of it's owners is of much less importance and making sure the company sta ys afloat is.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n but I still don't see why bankruptcy deni es the good or service being present. bankruptcy forces the ownership or p rovider of good or service to change\, which is appropriate since the prio r owner went bankrupt. ...What your saying is some goods or services can't risk even 24 hours of not existing.\n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1  said:\n\n\n\n Probably because there were so many more hospitals to cover their loss.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n no\, nyc has been underserved by hospitals for its entire history\n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n So how do you know Socialism works for a nation if you can't point to a na tion that is successfully practicing it?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n all ideas work \, from monarchy to anarchy\, it is only a matter of implementation. And y es\, those in the future have the right as imaginative beings to see a way of implementing not seen before. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   9 hours ago\,  Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n You're this theory a \"solution\" but we haven't d etermined that having currency is actually a PROBLEM!\n\n\n\n universal in come will not delete currency\, if I said I feel it will \, I apologize\, that wasn't my intent.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/19/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Cit ation \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12270-has-universal-income-gott en-closer-to-being-needed/#findComment-79473\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Posted ju st now\n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\ n That factor could have been just as easily worked AGAINST our favor as I N our favor.\n\n Some would have seen this as geographical isolation from the rest of the world...especially the Eastern Hemisphere.\n\n\n\n your\, not our\, me and mine are not part of the our you speak of. \n\n\n\n Mili taristically\, the reality is present\, a weak country\, absent a decent m ilitary\, is too far away to be bullied properly\, while it has vast resou rces at its doorstep... no. \n\n\n\n whomever those some maybe\, are comp letely wrong\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n It is the same reason far east asia has th e least militaristic presence of western europe\, distance. distance is a powerful thing\, and worth alot when you can't beat a bully\n\n\n\n  \n\n \n\n and not us\, you or yours\n\n\n\n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\ n\n\n\n If they were/are impotent...why?\n\n They are nations made up of h uman beings just like the United States.\n\n So why would we be so much po werful unless it's due to intelligence?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n canada nor mexi co are not hard to explain. but the quick version is canada 's natural env ironment is much harsher than the usa for the technology of either countri es nascence. Mexico like all of latin america [ haiti/brazil/columbia/or s imilar lke french canada which would become canada and the midwest states of the usa] was not viewed by the latin european empires [ france/spain/po rtugal] as anything but natural resource extractors. But the english viewe d anglo america[ usa/jamaica] as places for  profit  + immigration\, to dump their religious fanatics/criminals/illegal actors/general fiscal poor like fidel did with csimilar cubans and the florida exodus. So the usa gr ew a populace that was legally tied to the european center\, unlike latin america where the white male warrior populace made the mulatto/mestizo / e nslaved the black to operate the system of extraction. That is why the mos t profitable regions at the time were haiti/the spanish dominion from mode rn day canada to argentina. LAtin America was really a set of prison camps \, just enough guards to maintain the money. Ship the money to europe. The usa wasn't the wealthiest zone in the americas financially. this is part of why england tried so many tax schemes and et cetera. So canada or mexic o had a different origin in key ways financially but also militaristically . \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n and not we\, you or yours\, not me or mine. \n\n\n \n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n The Black population of the United States is one of the key features that make us a global power becau se it's the source of our superior entertainment that's marketed and envie d across the globe.\n\n\n\n not us\,  you and yours. \n\n\n\n I am nt an d have never been statian and said it way too many times to require repeat ing.\n\n\n\n Well\, I know that at the end of the commonly called world wa r two\, the usa couldn't continue the war for overreach and the usa + ussr wanted to continue warring on the battlefield... but they simply couldn't and neither was willing to give up their militaristic advantage to the li kes of western europe/japan who were completely annihilated \, or the domi nions of the former western european empires that  had been intentionally run dysfunctionally.\n\n\n\n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n P erhaps the superior intelligence OF the United States above other nations  (a fact that you insist on denying) is part of that fortune!\n\n\n\n  \ n\n\n\n Because in the usa's case it is just luck\, fate. the usa didn't e ven know how to wage a sea war. if the french didn't get involved in the w ar against the british empire\, I am 100% certain the usa doesn't exist to day as it is. history is 100% changed. France won that war. But that wasn' t because the usa was smart\, it was because france and england were in a centuries old blood feud. I will make the historical argument said blod fe ud lasted from the time of the viking's coming down at the end of the roma n empire centered at old rome\, till the end of commonly called world war 2. that is thousands of years. But they are neighbors\, always similar in power\, so any war between them will always be a war of equals which means real bloody and that kind of blood transcends marketplaces.  They had 10 0 years war with each other\, that isn't a joke. Vendetta's are real in hu manity.  Quite a number of them exists throughout humanity. The serbs and croats were fighting before the soviet union\, during the soviet and afte r the soviet union. I bet if japan had an viable military and invaded the korean peninsula\, all koreans would unite real quick\, the only thing all koreans still know is to hate the japanese. hell\, Black people enslaved in north america have a blood feud with whites\, it predated the usa\, exi sts still now during the usa and knowing vendettas will exist after the us a\, cause\, blood feuds aren't about money. yes\, fiscally greedy people i nvolve themselves\, but the energy fueling it\, like the hatfields and mcc oys in the appalachias is old wounds that money nor time can heal. the hea ling can only come from the hearts. but both hearts have to be willing. Th e zionists and palestineans are a blood feud. the ira was only 300 people but the blood feud between the irish and english\, which still has many ad herents on either side\,\, was so strong\, those 300 used more explosives than the usa in vietnam. So I said all of this to make it clear\, don't un derestimate the power of a blood feud and how it can influence history. sa ved the usa. \n\n\n\n France and england were so used to being at war\, i t became natural. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\ n\n\n\n Corporate is what I like to call \"semi-private\".\n\n Because it' s often controlled and regulated by the government but not completely owne d by it nor does one person or family own it but usually a huge market of shareholders.....it doesn't fall squarely into the government\, public OR private slots.\n\n\n\n Well\, you have presented your fiscal position:) th ank you. this is the economic corner.I comprehend your stance though it wa rrants discourse.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\ n\n\n Is this the fault of the private hospitals\, or the fault of the gov ernment for not building hospitals of it's own to compete with the private ones insuring consistent progress and low costs\,  as well as cater to t he needs of the people?\n\n\n\n either or both depending on who you ask. R emember the usa has always had multiple financial positions. \n\n\n\n Som e black or non black have always believed in private ownership leading the way\, thus private hospitals\, the logic being people will figure out a w ay to afford a hospital or move. \n\n\n\n Some black or non black have al ways believed municipal activity\, the government enganging in services to the public\, the logic being it represents positive graces among humans\, regardless of the cost or tax burden. \n\n\n\n Some black or non black t ry to find a bridge between both\n\n\n\n Some black or non black are anarc hist who don't want either. \n\n\n\n So whose fault? I don't know. It all depends on point of view. But why should ne point of view be correct or w rong? one point of view has always been implemented from whomever is in po wer.\n\n\n\n   6 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n However how do you feel ABOUT currency and the use of currency in society?\n\n\n\n how do I feel about currency? I try to stay away from that kind of discourse in the economic corner\, feelings lead to rubbish in financial discourse for me.  \n\n\n\n But as I try to answer every question\, I will provide an answe r\, which I have said before. All ideas are effective based on implementat ion. To reword\, currency is merely an idea\, if implemented a certain way to a certain place or time  it will succeed .   If implemented other w ays it will fail. but that is with all ideas. socialism/monarchy/vendetta. .. implementation is always the key\, not right or wrong. And luck can be the key to implementation\, not any human planning. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1 /22/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12 270-has-universal-income-gotten-closer-to-being-needed/#findComment-79537\ n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   3 hours a go\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Oh...\n\n You're not part of the United Stat es?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Well you eat\, shit\, and pay taxes here.\n\n\n\n S o you're being cheated...lol.\n\n\n\n no\, I am a black person whose foreb ears were enslaved by whites to these lands [ canada to argentina]. I am i n the usa because white people wanted me here. It is that simple. Now if I had the means to leave I would. My forebears were enslaved\, they didn't have means to leave. My forebears who were allowed a level of freedom whil e under constant white abuse didn't have means to leave. Did some want to leave? yes. Did some of my forebears become part of the usa? yes. \n\n\n\ n But it is a choice every Black DOSer has to make\, and when adult they w ill make it. \n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n It is th e same reason far east asia has the least militaristic presence of western europe\, distance. distance is a powerful thing\, and worth alot when you can't beat a bully\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n That and they weren't as technologi cally advanced when it came to weaponry.\n\n\n\n I don't comprehend your r eply\, are you saying far east asia was more technologically advanced than the rest of humanity white europeans dominated?\n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\ , Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Well SOMEBODY'S military is protecting you and keeping the Asians and Arabs from flying over here and forcing you into a submissive workers....lol.\n\n They're protecting you from being a DOS-er to becoming a straight up S-er....lol.\n\n\n\n No\, if anything the usa mi litary endangers all on earth by their actions. \n\n\n\n   3 hours ago \, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n What nation do YOU belong to?\n\n And more imp ortantly\, how does THEIR military compare to ME AND MINEZ...lol???\n\n\n\ n I am stateless. Every single Black DOSer is stateless until they choose not to be. What do you think enslaved people are? My forebears were enslav ed\, that didn't make them citizens of the english empire nor citizens of the usa later. An enslaved person isn't a citizen of anywhere\, that is th e point\, they are enslaved. \n\n\n\n Are you suggesting in 1776 the 90% or more of black people in the usa that are completely enslaved are citize ns of the usa? If you are\, that is fine\, I am not trying to change your damn mind. And I know many black people concur to your thinking. BUT I opp ose that. That is not my thinking. And I know many black people concur to my thinking.\n\n\n\n Stateless people don't have a government to connect t o. \n\n\n\n Now black people who have chosen to connect to the usa have\, I have no problem with that. That is the free choice all Black DOSers hav e. \n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n What country are y ou posting from when you're not in New York?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n stateless people exist all over the world. the romani are stateless. BEing stateless doesn't mean you don't abide by whatever legal code you live under. You d on't comprehend statelessness properly.\n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, Pionee r1 said:\n\n\n\n Over 100 years of just \"luck\"???\n\n Ok.\n\n\n\n yes\, yes luck\, nature or fate are funny aren't they . Don't always try to mak e the past a machiavellan thing. I think too many blacks create in our own minds a controlled world\, just begging for the right genious to make it happen. No\, luck is a powerful force and yes\, some people\, some groups can be lucky a long time and in many ways. It happens. \n\n\n\n   3 hou rs ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Another sign of high intelligence and be ing smart enough to diversify.\n\n\n\n that is an equivalence you believe\ , I don't see it that way. Multiversification isn't a sign of intelligence . Implemention is the key to any ideas qualities\, not the idea itself. Mo noversification can be implemented better than multiversification. \n\n\n \n   3 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n Because some points of view are logical and reasonable\, and thus valid.\n\n If it's not logical or re asonable\, how could it be considered correct unless SHOWN to be so throug h example and proof?\n\n\n\n So by your own words\, faith is invalid. The USA has one of the most religious populaces in humanity\, arguably only se cond to india. Religious populaces base their actions on faith\, by your o wn words\, illogical or unreasonable. Majority in the usa are overwhelming ly religious.\n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n But some ideas....as great as they may sound....CAN'T be implemented.\n\n Which mak es them wrong.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n This is why I've repeatedly asked for an example of this economy or that society which implemented that particular \"idea\".\n\n If a particular idea is constantly being promoted but we do n't have any example of it being implemented in real life\, there's a good chance that this is the case because it CAN'T be implemented.\n\n Those w ho think or THOUGHT it was a good idea have repeatedly TRIED to implemente d it and failed.\n\n\n\n Expand  \n\n\n\n But how can you prove a way of organizing humans can't be implemented? How is it possible for the past to have every single method of implementation tried? \n\n\n\n Your suggesti ng if an example of human organizations can't be displayed in a history bo ok\, then that method of organization can't exist in the future. That is d ysfunctional\, unless you know the future? Your basis for something not be ing possible is because of the past from 2026:) \n\n\n\n You think a hell of lot more of modernity than I do. \n\n\n\n Well  again\, I argue\, th at they haven't tried. if you read my words\, I clearly say they didn't tr y. Lenin and MArx theorized\, made an idea\, but the Russian socialist\, w hich started as a fiscal capitalist group in russia whose sole path to imp lementing their idea was violence never tried to implement socialism. Russ ia itself was a fiscal capitalistic monarchy\, so it had no space for soci alism to be tried within it. \n\n\n\n And after the reds and whites fough t\, the russian socialist became communist\, and again\, communism is mere ly fiscal capitalism. I reword\, the russian socialist\, never tried marx and lenin's ideas but implemented fiscal capitalism with two principles de rived from socialism. One being the one party idea\, which is based on soc ialism's no tiers idea but isn't a direct relation. Having one party of go vernance in my view doesn't mean no class/race/rank exist.  The second is the government as the lone business\, which is based on socialism's idea of equal wealth share. But\, only having one firm doesn't mean equal wealt h share because the people in the upper administration have various types of wealth\, maybe not in strict dollars but in influence. \n\n\n\n So fo rme\, the russians never tried. You suggest they tried because of a name\, of a label. \n\n\n\n The USA people call democratic/rule of the people \ , which is also a lie. How can the people rule when you have reservations or enslavement? Don't tell me native americans want to be on reservations and abiding by the ways of non native americans. Don't tell me Black peopl e wanted to be enslaved? please don't do these things. please.\n\n\n\n The USA is a fiscal capitalistic white manoralistic country. The USA went fro m land based manoralism to stock/shares based manoralism. And  replaced t he white regals of Europe with the white populace\, while the white peasan ts/people of the land in europe were replaced with all the non white europ ean peoples of the usa. The big deletion was religion\, where religion was considered a standalone body in europe\, the usa cut religion out of the system of manoralism\, allowing all religions or faiths or none at all to exist. \n\n\n\n Countries do shift ideas over time but the intentional wh ile poor labeling\, of ideas in countries is why you get miscomprehensions today. The USA is not a democracy \, Democracy has never been tried in th e USA. The usa is a manoralistic country\, that likes to lie about itself. As england its forebear did and does. As fellow anglophone creation india does. India says its the biggest democracy in the world. Here is thing\, this is a country where the peoples are battling each other violently ever day. The rule of the people. How can a people be considered one people wh en they battle violently ever day? India is a loose confederation of fisca l capitalistic tribes. India is a lot like the Holy roman empire . Holy ro man empire wasn't really one country. It was a loose military alliance of various small states for their collective protection surrounded by large m ilitaristic empires: france west/austria-hungary south/russia east. The sc andanavian kingdoms were above them\, who shifted power between themselves . India has pakistan to the west\, a religious state\, china to the east w hom india still contends kashmir plus tibet with\, russia or some stans of former russian empire north who \, and the sea south where the usa has ve ssels. I apologize\, india also has bangeldesh to the east\, another musli m state\, pseudo caliphate. \n\n\n\n So I don't chagrin\, Russia or china from similar lying. India's lying\, USA is lying. Why can't russia or chi na lie? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, ProfD said :\n\n\n\n I'll let @richardmurray answer the question for himself. \n\n \n\n  \n\n\n\n But\, I've known people who reside in the United States bu t did not claim citizenship here.  They considered themselves some type o f aboriginals.  They didn't want to pay taxes.  Couldn't get IDs.  Need less to type\, they did not work real jobs either. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Th at whole set-up is great for the person who 1) lives off someone else or 2 ) does not have real world responsibilities or 3) financially independent. \n\n\n\n I'm just black. I have said it before in this forum many times.  \n\n\n\n I'm just black. I have no allegiance to any country. I am not a n ative american. I have traveled to various countries in africa\, I am not a member of any of them. \n\n\n\n It is said I have to use zionists \, ca use the romani or my enslaved forebears are better\, but zionists are easi er for most to comprehend. \n\n\n\n Zionist came from all over the world\ , but what are zionists. Zionists are jews who felt the countries they are or were in are not theirs. It didn't mean zionists didn't pay taxes or wo rk. I don't know why\, connection to a country is assumed when one follows the law. Zionists worked to have their own country which is modern israel today. But not all stateless people have to take others land or kill othe rs. My forebears were enslaved\, I am not interested in slavery or killing others really. Do I like everybody ? no. Do I trust everybody? no. But I am not interestedin taking someone elses land cause I am stateless. This d oesn't mean I don't work or follow the law of the usa? I always have. I ha ve never broken the law in the usa. Not for love or allegiance or connecti on \, simply cause that is what one does anywhere on earth\, well most fol k:) \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   3 hours ago\, Pioneer1 sa id:\n\n\n\n Most Jamaicans and Haitians are DOSers. as well.\n\n\n\n Exact ly\, all black people whose forebears were enslaved from africa to somewhe re outside africa are DOSers\, which definitely includes modern day Canada to Argentina. \n\n\n\n And to that thinking. When you look at the rastaf arians who left jamaica and live in various parts of africa today\, like z ionists\, who are jews who felt the only country they have was a jewish on e that didn't exist until they took over the palestinean protectorate.  T hat is the point. Not all jews are zionists. Not all black people in jamai ca are rastafarians. why is a black DOSer somone mandatorily of the usa? Y ou ask for examples of things. Zionist + rastafarians are examples of sect ions of two groups: jews in all humanity or black people in humanity/not a ll rastafarians come from jamaica\, who view their true home as not where they live. why did I need to explain this to you? that is my question. Or do you just like this kind of debate. \n\n\n\n   2 hours ago\, Pionee r1 said:\n\n\n\n Can't treat America like you treat Starbucks.\n\n \n\n W alking up in the joint and enjoying the privileges but refusing to buy any thing on principle.\n\n\n\n I argue your reading of extremely modern histo ry is incorrect. The problem isn't immigrants. I argue\, from the immigrat ion act of 1965 to 2026 90% or more of immigrants  to the usa\, all pheno types\, all religions\, all genders\, all age groups[even the kids though they have the most resistance ]\, all languages\, all geographic descenden cy\,  have been two things. \n\n\n\n 1) totally allegiant to the usa\, a s their home\, once they arrived\, betraying the homes they came from in v arious ways\n\n\n\n 2) adhering to the hierarchy of white power that exist ed before they came that exist today. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n As I said befor e about the immigration act\, the problem is\, white people in the usa\, s pecifically\, the whites before the immigration act of 1965 and their desc endents today\, never considered the immigration act would yield the horde of fiscally poor people into the usa\, it has. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I ask ed this in the 22nd edition of the economic corner\n\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Fu ll speech from Lyndon b johnson\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477- richardmurray/?status=2785&\;type=status\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n ICE is not about immigrants but whites in the usa who have a history of burning black towns and villages with its people in it\, taking the scalps and hunting down for sport native americans. Whites are simply trying to bully immigra nts\, it is immgrants turn to join the Native American + Black DOSers as s urvivors of white violence. \n\n\n\n The problem today\, is the USA is 25 0 years old. From 1492 to 1980 are the past\, that time of enslavement and then jim crow is passed. \n\n\n\n Not all whites in the usa want to bull y the non white into a form of slavery. Not all the non whites in the usa\ , are so impotent they can only watch their people be assaulted or hounded . Time has moved on from the kind of usa where white power can completely eradicate the non white. Abuse? yes. Take advantage of? yes. Kill? yes. Ha rm? yes. But not completely kill. Not completely harm. ICE will not get th e immigrant peoples to flee the USA\, or stop immigrants from coming. Yes\ , some people will be frightened away. But not enough for what whites... s ome whites... most whites want. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n it is interesting tha t you blame this on immigrants. Did not Lyndon B Johnson\, a white man fro m texas with a nearly all white congress\, save one yella black man\, adam clayton powell jr\, and a handful of other black elected officials make t he immigration act of 1965 into law? Did not states who never had anything but white governors\, invite immigrants\, including the likes of texas? B y your words Pioneer\,  someone will think immigrants tricked somebody.  \n\n\n\n The USA didn't demand a patriot test? the usa didn't demand an en glish test? the usa didn't put great limits? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I found this website from the white pew research center. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n http s://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/how-the-origins-of-americas -immigrants-have-changed-since-1850/\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1960\n\n\n\n \n\n\ n\n 1970\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 1980\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 1990\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 2000 \n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 2010\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n 2020\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n S o\, the people you say \, Pioneer\, who need to pick a side or be america n are really\, Mexicans\, whom militaristically have a claim to half of th e usa\, behind the native american of course. \n\n\n\n Now regionally\, I did learn something so thank you. The Dominicans\, from Dominican Republi c \, man  They really focused\, between cubans flooding  in florida and dominicans flying into new york wow! ok. Although this also proves someth ingI have said a long time\, that most whites are german americans. wow! t his is the proof. well... \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/23/2026 \n\n\n\n  \n\n\ n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12270-has-universal-income -gotten-closer-to-being-needed/#findComment-79552\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n oste d 9 minutes ago\n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n   4 hours ago\, ProfD said:\n\ n\n\n I claim this raggedy azz country warts and all as my home (state) be cause it is my birthplace and many generations of my ancestors too.\n\n\n\ n  \n\n\n\n exactly\,I don't have any problems with that. Some of our anc estors claimed the usa when it was being born with arguably no reason but hope. So I don't have a problem with your reasoning at all\, but the issue is\, too many black people who claim the usa\, whether DOSer or not\,  s eem shocked or require proof of something when a black DOSer doesn't. As i f it never happened before. When it actually has been going on as long as the usa has been in existence.  \n\n\n\n It goes back to our old topic o f black people accepting our tribes in this country\, which we never seem able to truly do. \n\n\n\n I know in a land filled with some indigenous p eople and a horde of willing immigrants or their descendants DOSers are un ique in our story here. But...\n\n\n\n @Troy i must admit\, the maps surp rised me a little. The narrative has been the immigrant takeover\, but tha t isn't the truth based on these maps. the truth is\, mexicans have become the base of a multiphenotypical immigrant populace that combined has a ma jority or near majority in the usa today. And based on those same maps\, c hinese or indians are really the incoming threat to the white european bas e. But india + china have so many people. I remember when australia was up set\, when so many chinese went to australia\, but I get it. China uses it s militaristic + financial clout to give chinese somewhere to go\, cause c hina can't handle the worlds populace of chinese. \n\n\n\n Mexican+Indian +Chinese since 2010. 2030 it will be twenty years\, a generation. \n\n\n\ n   4 hours ago\, Troy said:\n\n\n\n I have not read the conversation\ , but I'd imagine the maps Richard posed would be having white nationalist s wetting their pants.  As I travel the country it does seem like there a re Mexican everywhere LOL!\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 1/26/2026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Citation\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12270-has-universal-income-go tten-closer-to-being-needed/#findComment-79745\n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n \n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   On 1/24/2026 at 3:48 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\ n\n Including New York.\n\n When I was in New York and Philadelphia severa l years ago I was surprised to see so many Mexicans and other Central Amer icans in those places that I thought were Puerto Rican and Dominican stron gholds.\n\n \n\n I remember coming to West Michigan 30 years ago back in t he 90s and although it didn't have a HUGE Latino population\, most of the Latinos here were Puerto Rican.\n\n When I moved BACK here the Mexican and Guatemalan population over took it and is now the majority among Latinos. \n\n \n\n This is one of the reasons you don't find too many AfroAmericans getting out there and protesting ICE.\n\n We instinctively know that it's not good for them to just \"take over\" the entire country by the million s like that....especially when they have such a strong and isolated cultur e.\n\n We instinctively know that something needs to be done and should ha ve been doing years ago.\n\n\n\n Expand  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Stronghold:) White people have the only stronghold in New York City\, now to the latin o populaces.well... based on the map\, dominicans are the base of the lati no populace in new york city/new york state. but\, your assessment to immi grants or Black DOSers is false \, at least in NYC. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n F irst\, Black DOSers in NYC are merely tired. You suggest Black DOSers are frightened for the identity of the usa being taken over by a horde. I oppo se that. At least in NYC it is simpler. Black DOSers have spent the entire jim crow era\, 1865 to 1980 supporting what the USA can become. When whit e people burned black women alive\, hung black children\, made black peopl e sick. Most Black DOSers in the Jim Crow era ate the crow\, followed the white law\, acted civil and tried to have happy lives. Led by Black women in the DOSers \, black people spent over one hundred years setting the tab le up for all peoples to be part of the usa. But black dosers are tired no w. One populace can't support the idea of the usa becoming a country for t he human individual forever. And Black DOSers suffered. All actions have p rosequence plus consequence. Meaning all actions produce negativity plus p ositivity . The majority of Black DOSers supporting the idea of what the U SA can be\, prosequence/positive after effects was a country of civility. White people in the entire jim crow era were the most uncivil\, most crimi nal people on earth\, but Black people\, Black DOSers in majority\, took a ll the abuse\, from murder to spitting to bad contracts\, and fought to be happy to live in peace\, aside the abusers\, that led to a country where people all throughout humanity were amazed at\, and made the myth that if you can come to the usa and eat the crow\, you can be happy. The consequen ce/negative after effects was the Black DOS populace never emphasized itse lf. Black DOSers in majority\, not all\,  chose\, for the sake of peacefu l integration to all humanity\, to place our own unique heritage in the us a second to the potential of a usa culture to be first. So we didn't empha size our languages\, our spirituality\, our towns and cities. The minoriti es in our populace that wanted to leave or wanted to fight\, the majority in our populace chided or stymied or contained or sidelined. Not out of ha te or competition but because what the majority wanted was to get through Jim Crow \, outlast white abuse\, to find a USA changed. Leaving the usa o r feuding with whites would destroy the potential usa to be that the major ity of black DOSErs in the jim crow era \, 1865 to 1980\, fought for. So.. .here we are. Black DOSers held up the idea of what the USA can be\, but a re tired now. A well earned rest.It is time for others to continue that ba ttle. IT is time for the immigrant populace to fight for the potential of what the usa will be. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Second\, From 1980 to 2026\, tw o generations\, white people have slowly moved away from DOSers as a main threat and now have moved to the modern immigrant\, a multiphenotypical/mu ltilingual/multireligious/multicultural populace of people with one thing in common\, they came to the USA for their financial betterment and like t he idea of being in a country where they can be about themselves. How many dominicans go to the dominican republic? if you look at the numbers\, eac h generation of immigrants has less and less connection to the land their forebears came from willingly. Many people with dominican or puerto rican or mexican lineage  in NYC don't speak spanish\, have never left the USA. This is their home in their own mind. The chinese populace in NYC is olde r than the USA. The chinese populace in NYC was from New Amsterdam. The ch inese populace in NYC isn't foreign and temporally has greater claim to th e USA than the populations of the midwest and west coast. \n\n\n\n  \n\n \n\n Do some Black DOSers have an instinct against modern immigrants? yes. Some Black DOSers opposed Marcu Garvey who came from the caribbean. Some Black DOSers disliked modern black immigrant children from the continent f or being muslim or not having European or judeo-christian names. But I thi nk most Black DOSers are simply tired of being the backbone \, the engine for the USA to stay on the path to becoming a government for the human ind ividual. It is time for the immigrant populace to take a leading role. Wil l violence occur? yes. the usa was born from violence between the immigran t and the current\, starting with the First peoples\, commonly called Nati ve Americans and the first immigrants\, completely unwanted or unwelcomed who came anyway\, white europeans. \n\n\n\n But\, the existence of violen ce doesn't mean the future will be violent forever. Peace will grow when t iny\, as war always grows when tiny. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n In Amendment\n\n \n\n One of my favorite white literatures is Ivanhoe from walter scott. th e character of wambaugh is brilliant to me. But beyond that and other arti stic reasons\, a historical reason exists as well. Scott wanted to make \, using history\, true history\, a historical fiction of england. The idea being\, who is english\, and Ivanhoe is about how\, the Saxons/Normans/Jew s/Picts/... romans/druids all had a role in making england. The english ar en't ancestral to the island commonly called england. The english is the n ame of the mulatto group derived from all of those peoples over a long tim e. In the same way\, the usa is facing a similar reality\, like its parent england. \n\n\n\n Beyond the fact that Lyndon B Johnson let in the popul ace some consider a horde with poor thinking or planning\n\n\n\n Immigrati on Act speech \n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?statu s=2785&\;type=status\n\n Kerner Commission \n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/p rofile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2685&\;type=status\n\n\n\n The realit y is\, the modern immigrant populace is here in the usa and is a majority\ , not based on phenotype or religion or geographic ancestry but on the des ire to have their best individual life in a safe environment\, in NYC they are already mating with each other in ways maybe the rest of USA doesn't see yet. But\, I have seen mexican-chinese or muslim-jews \, the kind of m ixing going on in NYC proves to me that in twenty to forty years a populat ion will exist in the usa that isn't chained to the old racial lines\, for better or for worse\, and trying to push them out \, when they have no wh ere to go\, will only exacerbate their growth. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n The fu nny thing is\, I find the immigrant populace is willing to embrace the imp erialism of the usa more honestly than the old white or Black DOSers. I th ink for modern immigrants the usa should embrace its imperial truth\, whic h whites have never stopped trying to deny while Black DOSers have always prayed wouldn't happen and tried to preach away. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n    On 1/24/2026 at 7:28 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n As AfroAmericans we sho uld be asking ourselves WHY are these people being allowed to come in and given opportunities and favors that many of us weren't given?\n\n\n\n I ha ve a better question\, why didn't elected black officials make the case?  \n\n\n\n Charlie rangel was head of the ways and means\, a senior donkey\, many acts fail to become law in the congress\, no harm is trying every ye ar. How many times did black elected officials try to get legislation spec ifically for blacks passed?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Bills have failed with zero votes\, even from the legislator who sent the bill to the floor \n\n\n\n H.R. 3989 (105th): User Fee Act of 1998 https://www.govtrack.us/congress /votes/105-1998/h207\n\n\n\n H.R. 3085 (106th): Discretionary Spending Off sets Act for Fiscal Year 2000. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/106 -1999/h511\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I checked reparations to see what has happen ed and I found the following\n\n\n\n https://www.govtrack.us/search?q=repa rations\n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/search?q={\"congress\"%3A[\"119\" ]%2C\"source\"%3A[\"legislation\"]%2C\"search\"%3A\"reparations\"}&\;pa geSort=latestAction%3Aasc\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n then I made a better search\, \"reparations black african american\" all congresses\; from oldest\n\n\n \n https://www.congress.gov/search?q={\"source\"%3A\"all\"%2C\"congress\"% 3A\"all\"%2C\"search\"%3A\"reparation+black+african+american\"}&\;pageS ort=dateOfIntroduction%3Aasc\n\n\n\n then i removed all but legislation/la ws \n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/search?pageSort=dateOfIntroduction%3 Aasc&\;q={\"source\"%3A[\"legislation\"]%2C\"congress\"%3A\"all\"%2C\"s earch\"%3A\"reparation+black+african+american\"}\n\n\n\n then i searched \ "reparations black african american\" all congresses\; from oldest\n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/search?q={\"congress\"%3A\"all\"%2C\"source\"%3A [\"legislation\"]%2C\"search\"%3A\"reparations+black+african+american\"}&a mp\;pageSort=dateOfIntroduction%3Aasc\n\n\n\n and finally \, realizing the returns weren't applicable i tried \"jim crow reparations\" \; all congre sses\; oldest to youngest\n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/search?q={\"sou rce\"%3A[\"legislation\"]%2C\"congress\"%3A\"all\"%2C\"search\"%3A\"jim+cr ow+reparations\"}&\;pageSort=dateOfIntroduction%3Aasc\n\n\n\n then I ju st placed \"jim crow\" and finally a correct return of results across the history of the congress\n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/search?q={\"congr ess\"%3A\"all\"%2C\"source\"%3A\"all\"%2C\"search\"%3A\"\\\"jim+crow\\\"\" }&\;pageSort=dateOfIntroduction%3Aasc\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n the oldest rec ord from one thousand nine hundred and twenty two is the following from 18 84\n\n\n\n December 17\, 1884 Vol. 16\, Part 1 — Bound Edition\n\n\n\n h ttps://www.congress.gov/bound-congressional-record/1884/12/17/16/house-sec tion/article/313-324?q={\"search\"%3A\"\\\"jim+crow\\\"\"}&\;s=3&\;r =1\n\n\n\n referring to then to be president grover cleveland not abandoni ng the negro in the south to \"Jim Crow\" cars on the trains. \n\n\n\n th e earliest law was a joint resolution in 1995 for abernathy\, out of 804 i n the entire history of the congress\n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/bill /104th-congress/house-joint-resolution/183?q={\"search\"%3A\"\\\"jim+crow\ \\"\"}&\;s=2&\;r=1\n\n\n\n the oldest report out of 31 \n\n\n\n htt ps://www.congress.gov/search?pageSort=numberAsc&\;q={\"congress\"%3A\"a ll\"%2C\"source\"%3A[\"comreports\"]%2C\"search\"%3A\"\\\"jim+crow\\\"\"}\ n\n\n\n concerned aging\n\n\n\n https://www.congress.gov/committee-report/ 105th-congress/senate-report/36/2?q={\"search\"%3A\"\\\"jim+crow\\\"\"}&am p\;s=5&\;r=1\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n First this confirms my point that the J im crow era was from 1865 to 1980. as from the late 1980s onward\, the rai nbow era was in swing. now the whites allowed blacks\, through nonviolent action\, to have a say. \n\n\n\n But second\, Jim Crow is a cmmonly known phrase in the usa and yet\, look how late it is mentioned or impotently m entioned \, even in the discourse of the congress. so black elected offici als had to do better. Even if the bills went nowhere\, they had to push mo re of them onto the floor. this connects to our discourse concerning legal action in the jim crow era. Based on white violence\, black people needed far more legal representation. For every emmit till\, there were a hundre d or a thousand unnamed\, un newspapered\, black children harmed by whites . \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Troy\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n    On 1/24/2026 at 7:17 PM\, Troy said:\n\n\n\n Everytime a new and differe nt group comes to the country in significant numbers it is the same thing\ , the Jews\, the Irish\, the Italians were all a stain on the country unti l they weren't.  \n\n\n\n nice turn of phrase. yeah\, and the truth is\, fucking\, has a huge role in this. As I mentioned to Pioneer about englan d\,\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/145-lucy-worsley-on-william- the-conqueror-janaury-18th-2025- /\n\n\n\n modern england was born from t he bedchamber of saxon women and norman men. In the same way\, Latin Ameri ca was born from the bedchamber of Indios/firstpeoples/native american wom en or Black[african or indios women] and white european men. The immigrant groups have already started the mating process\, it will only grow. Most white people in the usa today have german ancestry but most talk about bei ng swedish/italian/french or other. so mixing happens.  and mixing is wha t really leads to one peoples. Many jews in the usa didn't marry jews. thi s is part of the whole reform jewish community\, and is why the orthodox j ewish community opposes them in part. the reform jewish community doesn't demand a jew marry a jew which is part of orthodoxy/rules in the jewish re ligion. But that mixing of white jews with other white people\, which whit e jews did a lot in europe as well\, led to a lessening of friction betwee n white peoples\, the judeo christian union in the usa. The modern immigra nt populace is creating an more wider new group with its intra and extra m inglings. It is just a matter of time now. I see it in NYC alot already\, but NYC has every flag in the world represented in it\, it will take time for the rest of the usa to catch up but it will. My two favorite examples is when a black women was getting something to eat from a black owned busi ness and she said I am from trinidad but my some is american\, it was duri ng juneteenth and we all giggled. Her son is half DOSer. And when a boy wa s getting something to eat\, a man was speaking to him in a language from the continent... africa... and the boy didn't react. The guy kept trying c ause he knows the boy but the boy only reacted when he said \"hey\". the b oy only knows english and he is one generation removed. so... the center o f the usa will be different . I don't know the exact countdown but the clo ck is ticking. I don't know the cultural designs but it is being formed.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n This is why the people of Nippon have always resisted immigration. yes\, they do it historically\, as they don't like outsiders and have a very tribal nature in themselves. But it has another function. when you embrace outsiders you have to change eventually. the myth that ou tsiders can come into any place and not force change in time is a myth\, a lie really. Ramen noodles is chinese. That is the power of immigration. T he japanese know this through their own history so prefer immigration to b e as slow as possible\, because they comprehend high speed immigration alw ays speeds up high speed resetting of any country to refind a center betwe en the current and the immigrant. \n\n\n\n The whites from europe before the usa was founded\, started a cycle of immigration onto the First People s of the American Continents lands\, never ending\, constant\, but the whi te power of 1492 isn't present today. White power exists but not the same like 1492 and the rest is history. The white enslavers or their descendent s gambled their power could remain no matter how many people came in from anywhere\, they were wrong. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 1/24/2026 at 7:33 PM\, Troy said:\n\n\n\n Racists have their hands full now. huh?  Too bu sy worrying about Latinos while their medical insurance\, student loans\, jobs\, and social security is being taken away...\n\n\n\n financially rich whites who are less concerned about phenotype over money\, sold to poor w hites the idea that they could hurt blacks by bringing in lights/mullatoes /arabs//whites asians to accept wages less than black folk and it worked. alongside the ussr as a cold war rival. but when the ussr fell all of a su dden the usa had to do something with immigration and the fiscally wealthy whites didn't want to undo the global cheap labor market they created in the war against the USSR so they maintained the system and the fiscal poor whites got angry and that split between both led to Schrumpf. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20250104 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR