BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 5.0.18//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:https://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Economic Corner 12 - 02/12/2025 DTSTAMP:20250213T030137Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:193-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":noreply@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n This economic corner is a manipulation of a dialog betwee n me side @ProfD side @Troy I felt it is warranted because the post it was started in is about Black Owned Websites and while the overall dialog with Troy maintained a focus on black websites\, the dialog between me si de profd did not. So I placed my replies to their post within the multilog \, with no demand to a reply. \n\n\n\n A majority of blacks in the usa ar e individualist and that isn't  a negative thing. It is something born fr om being in majority terrorized by whites from the early 1500s to circa 19 80. Black people have done everything possible in the usa to nonviolently grow. Everything possible. The failure was in who black people existed non violently next to\, non blacks. Now in 2025 in the usa I think it is clear from the black 1% or the black financially wealthy\, black elected offici als\, black places of worship\, that the black people with the most financ ial wealth or access to power or resources are individualist. Actions spea k louder than words. So\, when it comes to group actions across 50 states\ , I argue all those are foolish endeavors in modernity. The old black popu lace in the usa is dead and is never coming back. And that is fine. \n\n\ n\n Black communalism in the usa isn't dead but it is local\, tribal. So t o a black website in the usa or any communal activity in the usa \, they a re all best as tribal acts. The faith in nonviolent communalism is silly\, unwarranted. \n\n\n\n I don't know if anyone notices but for a while I d on't use the term \"black community in the usa\" cause for me that is a li e. The black populace in the usa exist. but the black populace is not a co mmunity. And I repeat\, that isn't a bad thing. It is warranted. The Black populace spent a solid one hundred years in the usa \, being communal lik e no other people on earth at the same time \, or very few in human histor y\, and white power crushed it all. yes\, some will argue\, try again\, bu t that is silly or stupid. Black people in the usa repeated anything someo ne black says needs to happen multiple in the past as a community\, white power crushed it all. No need for the black populace in the usa to try aga in all the things that failed in the usa by way of white power. \n\n\n\n If you are black in the usa\, embrace your small tribe\, or embrace indivi dualism but stop all the unwarranted talk about the larger populace doing communal action. Look positive to the future in a new road\, a wise road\, a financially more honest road. \n\n\n\n IN AMENDMENT\n\n\n\n Troy sugge sted the specific issue of black websites but it is a general affair so I placed it here alongside anything I have to say as it isn't specific to th e black websites issue. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n THE DIALOG BETWEEN ME SIDE PR OFD SIDE TROY\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black -twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71601\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\ n   On 2/6/2025 at 11:02 AM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n  find it mind-boggl ing that Black brain-power and wealth are not working together to create o ur own platforms. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I find it disturbing that Black fol ks are perfectly fine with enriching white folks at every level.  Social media platforms is one example.\n\n\n\n If individualism is the majority p osition among Black people with the revenue or resources to invest in owni ng a website fit for modern esocial activity\, then it does make sense. I don't think an individualist sees it as enriching a community\, they see i t as an individual investment. If you are individualist\, you don't see yo ur actions as part of any populace in humanity\, only the larger humanity itself. \n\n\n\n @Troy\n\n\n\n   On 2/6/2025 at 5:30 PM\, Troy said:\ n\n\n\n It takes a ton of money to run a robust social media platform capa ble of supporting even tens of thousands of users -- let alone hundreds of millions of users globally. So\, any site we use will need serious fundin g and only comes from investors who believe there will be serious returns on their investment.\n\n\n\n thank you\, too often black folk seem to thin k investment in things just needs pennies from the black poor. Something r equire grand investment\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n To @ProfD + @Troy\n\n\n\n   On 2/6/2025 at 6:16 PM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Black folks invest a wh ole lot of money in churches though.  Maybe we need to call the Black pla tform Hallelujah\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 2/8/2025 at 11:25 AM\, Troy  said:\n\n\n\n That is actually a Great idea man a Christian social media s ite\, surely one most already exist.\n\n\n\n I found on first page search only the following \n\n\n\n http://www.blackandchristian.com/\n\n\n\n Its funny facebook was started through colleges\, Historical black colleges t hrough the fraternities or sororities can idealistically do similar. \n\n \n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a- thing/#findComment-71607\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 2/9/2025 at 9:56 PM\,  richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n I found on first page search only the followi ng \n\n\n\n http://www.blackandchristian.com/\n\n\n\n \n\n That website i s defaulted. It has not been maintained for years and the length to the fo rms is broken. The fact that it ranks well in search seems to indicate the re is no active website in the space. I wonder if there’s even a desire for one. I suspect most church communities have their own websites and onl ine social platforms.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 2/8/2025 at 12:00 PM\, P rofD said:\n\n\n\n Regardless of religious affiliation\, I was thinking t hat could be the name of a Black-owned platform equivalent of Tw8tter (X)\ n\n\n\n \n\n Well\, from the example that Richard provided the idea of a B lack Christian website didn’t seem to work. As far as a black on website \, the equivalent of what’s already out there we already know that won ’t work at least not originating in the US.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 2/ 9/2025 at 9:56 PM\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n I don't think an individ ualist sees it as enriching a community\, they see it as an individual inv estment.\n\n\n\n \n\n Of course anyone buying in stock in Meta or Alphabet are doing so to make money for themselves. Now\, while  Facebook makes i tself out itself as bringing in the world closer together people don’t i nvest in them for that they invest solely to make money.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n There are other businesses types that are mission\, driven B corps and n ot for profits. people invest in them to improve society\, but those are n’t the organizations that make all that make money for investors or cre ate wealth. \n\n  \n\n\n\n It has been suggested buy some\, that AALBC s hould become a not for profit.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/top ic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71608\n\n\n\n @Troy\n \n\n\n   On 2/10/2025 at 10:30 AM\, Troy said:\n\n\n\n The fact that i t ranks well in search seems to indicate there is no active website in the space. I wonder if there’s even a desire for one. I suspect most church communities have their own websites and online social platforms.\n\n\n\n Local Churches historically tend to be competitive to each other\, they ma y share a similar faith but they rarely like to share prominence.\n\n\n\n Well\, youtube tried short videos before tiktok was created and it didn't catch fire. so\, what that one scenario proves is\, the packaging/algorith m/style of such a website is key. People like websites when it offers a si mple straight forward interface while provides an aspect to communication online that they didn't have before\, not necessarily as a tool \, but in the style of the tool. \n\n\n\n I think \"HAlleluyah\" can work\, but ima gination will be needed in how it operates.\n\n\n\n I argue AALBC should s tay for profit but it will be wise if you have a contingency plan for non profit upon your death or some bad situation\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aa lbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71609\n \n\n\n   On 2/10/2025 at 10:30 AM\, Troy said:\n\n\n\n As far as a bla ck on website\, the equivalent of what’s already out there we already kn ow that won’t work at least not originating in the US.\n\n\n\n Again\, I was not advocating for a Black Christian website or platform. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n That's not my thing as the resident agnostic around here.\n\n\n \n  \n\n\n\n Half-Jokingly\, I only used the name Hallelujah because ma ny Black folks would check it out due to upbringing.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 2/9/2025 at 9:56 PM\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n thank you\, too often black folk seem to think investment in things just needs pennies fr om the black poor. Something require grand investment\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n M any poor people still give church offerings\, smoke cigarettes\, drink alc ohol and do drugs and shop.  So\, they can contribute along with other in vestors.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twit ter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71610\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n    On 2/10/2025 at 12:14 PM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n So\, they can contribut e along with other investors.\n\n\n\n Can they? \n\n\n\n I don't smoke ci garettes\, but I know cigarettes cost money\, so if a human being\, likes smoking cigerattes and they are a financially poor person\, they probably don't have money to invest in a website\, even if what they can invest is not even a miniscule fraction of a percent of the funds needed .\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing /#findComment-71611\n\n\n\n   On 2/10/2025 at 5:55 PM\, richardmurray  said:\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Can they? \n\n\n\n Yes they can.\n\n\n\n   On 2/10/2025 at 5:55 PM\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n ...so if a human bein g\, likes smoking cigerattes and they are a financially poor person\, they probably don't have money to invest in a website\, even if what they can invest is not even a miniscule fraction of a percent of the funds needed . \n\n\n\n Reads like you're making excuses.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Where I come from\, I know for a fact that poor people know how find money.\n\n\n\n   \n\n\n\n Obviously\, not enough money to become rich or wealthy in most ca ses. But\, it's enough to maintain habits.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Many campaig ns are funded by small money donors. Some churches operate the same way. It adds up.\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-sti ll-a-thing/#findComment-71614\n\n\n\n @ProfDnot an excuse\, being happy is n't an excuse to anything.\n\n\n\n if any human being does something that makes them happy\, they want to do that more right. At least for me\, i wi ll rather be happy than sad and i think any other human will rather be hap py than sad. So fi your happiness is an expense \, you still need it and s ome investment into something that will not lead to you being happy will n ot be maintained for long. \n\n\n\n yes example of consistent small donor s to certain financial endeavors exist\, but to be even\, cause the dialog is swaying away from the theme of the topic... my original quotes were in concert with Troy's concerning black twitter\, more specifically websites \, online websites\, it wasn't a generalization. and in an endeavor like a website big donors are mandatory \, needed. Not one heavily followed webs ite had small donors. throughout its history. That isn't laziness or an ac cident or something small donors can undo\, it is the reality\, big donors are needed for any website to grow a certain size. And to the current env ironment \, many websites even after massive financial investment are fail ures. Look at china really. The blunt truth is that western european count ries/japan/india/russia all have websites to their local markets but none were like china\, willing to invest enough to get websites that are global brands. And it took money for that\, not small donors of the chinese peop le. Rich chinese so I repeat my point to troy: too often black folk seem to think investment in things just needs pennies from the black poor.  an d I amend\, that is not true. \n\n\n\n Black pennies from the black poor is good for local\, local defined as city region or town level investments . A house/ a community center/a retail shop/small scale operations. that a re bounded to the region of a city or a town. But if you want industry lea ding firms across the usa\, with over three hundred and fifty million peop le or moreover humanity\, the black rich not the black pennies from the bl ack poor have to be the primary investors. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aa lbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71618\n \n\n\n   21 hours ago\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n @ProfDnot an excus e\, being happy isn't an excuse to anything.\n\n\n\n if any human being do es something that makes them happy\, they want to do that more right. At l east for me\, i will rather be happy than sad and i think any other human will rather be happy than sad. So fi your happiness is an expense \, you s till need it and some investment into something that will not lead to you being happy will not be maintained for long. \n\n\n\n Right.\n\n\n\n  \n \n\n\n Reminds me of people who claim they want to lose weight but refuse to diet and exercise because eating makes them happy.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I nstead of a gym membership\, the overweight person who claims they want to lose weight would rather spend that money on more food and snacks. \n\n\ n\n  \n\n\n\n A pack of cigarettes in NYC costs $13 dollars. That's almos t 1 hour of minimum wage work.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n If we're serious about i t\, 4 million Black people investing $25 dollars (2 packs of cigarettes in NYC or a large pizza) in a business venture adds up to $100 million dolla rs.\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thin g/#findComment-71621\n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\, ProfD sai d:\n\n\n\n A pack of cigarettes in NYC costs $13 dollars. That's almost 1 hour of minimum wage work.\n\n\n\n it's funny\, i haven't heard of a perso n buying a pack of cigarettes in a very long time in nyc. I see people buy ing singles at stores or asking for singles from their fellows or stranger s. A pack? no one has money for a pack Profd. that fact that you suggested that ... you haven't been in a place like nyc in a long time have you? I don't get snap but many are complaining about snap benefits ending.\n\n\n\ n ...I repeat\, because it is important\, black pennies will not do it. Do you know across the demographic board of NYC\, if the school food program goes under\, half of the children in nyc's schools\, not just black\, the non black as well whom you like to suggest so financially astute\, will g o hungry\, across the board 50% \, fifty percent of the children in public school.\n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n If we 're serious about it\, 4 million Black people investing $25 dollars (2 pac ks of cigarettes in NYC or a large pizza) in a business venture adds up to $100 million dollars.\n\n\n\n  I will love to know who has bought two pa cks of cigarettes in a month in nyc ? only people with money in the first place are doing that.  but you get to the nitty gritty. \n\n\n\n Who is going to be in control fo that hundred million dollars? Profd? It will not be me. who? obama? sharpton? mrs obama? clarence thomas? who? historical black colleges?\n\n\n\n I can't name one black individual or group in the usa who has the desire+ imagination+trust to do anything with 100 million. if it was gathered.\n\n\n\n This goes back to our million man march dialo g. Assuming someone had the trust or could gain the trust\, trust must be earned\, of five hundred thousand black men  who attended the march \, wi th your $25 dollar assumption\, that twelve million and five hundred dolla rs? but who canthose 5000\,00 trust? you? me ?  iargue none class.\n\n\n\ n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findCom ment-71627\n\n\n\n  19 hours ago\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n @ProfD\n \n\n\n it's funny\, i haven't heard of a person buying a pack of cigarette s in a very long time in nyc. I see people buying singles at stores or ask ing for singles from their fellows or strangers. A pack? no one has money for a pack Profd. that fact that you suggested that ... you haven't been i n a place like nyc in a long time have you?\n\n\n\n You're missing the poi nt but it's OK. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I was just in NYC last year. Saw Blac k folks spending money too.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   19 hours ago\, richard murray said:\n\n\n\n n in nyc's schools\, not just black\, the non black as well whom you like to suggest so financially astute\, will go hungry\, across the board 50% \, fifty percent of the children in public school.\n\ n\n\n NYC is the same place spending millions of dollars housing illegal i mmigrants. They could easily feed the children if ut was a priority.\n\n\n \n  \n\n\n\n   19 hours ago\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n  Who is go ing to be in control fo that hundred million dollars? Profd?\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n I can't name one black individual or group in the usa who has the de sire+ imagination+trust to do anything with 100 million.\n\n\n\n Right. Th erein lies the biggest obstacle.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n On one hand\, you don' t 1) believe Black folks can raise $100 million dollars through grassroot efforts and 2) can't trust any steward of the $100 million dollars collect ed.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n But\, you'll suggest folks like Oprah Winfrey and o thers put up $100 million dollars of their money.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n My po int is that Black folks can do both. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   19 hours ag o\, richardmurray said:\n\n\n\n This goes back to our million man march dialog. Assuming someone had the trust or could gain the trust\, trust mus t be earned\, of five hundred thousand black men  who attended the march \, with your $25 dollar assumption\, that twelve million and five hundred dollars? but who canthose 5000\,00 trust? you? me ?  iargue none class.\n \n\n\n It starts with having a solid plan/agenda\, goals and milestones.\n \n\n\n  \n\n\n\n That requires a herculean effort of oorganization among Black folks especially in a climate of individualism and tribalism.\n\n\n \n  \n\n\n\n MY CONTINUATION \n\n\n\n  @ProfD\n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2 025 at 8:05 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n You're missing the point bu t it's OK. \n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n I was just in NYC last year. S aw Black folks spending money too.\n \n \n\n\n\n I comprehend your point\ , it is that the financial poor in a populace can lead a populace\, in fis cal capitalism\, always. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2025 at 8:05 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n NYC is the same place spending million s of dollars housing illegal immigrants. They could easily feed the childr en if ut was a priority.\n \n \n\n\n\n well I don't know about ease\, I n ever say anything is easy. Nothing is easy. \n\n\n\n Technically\, NYC is spending federal money on housing illegal immigrants\, thus appropriated money\, thus money that must be used for specific reasons. I doubt the rep resentatives of many states in the union will desire federal money for imm igrants into nyc \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2025 at 8:05 AM\,  ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Right. Therein lies the biggest obstacle.\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n On one hand\, you don't 1) believe Black folks can raise $100 million dollars through grassroot efforts and 2) can't tru st any steward of the $100 million dollars collected.\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n But\, you'll suggest folks like Oprah Winfrey and others put up $100 million dollars of their money.\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n My po int is that Black folks can do both. \n \n \n Expand  \n\n\n\n Well\, I must first say\, I call any populace in humanity foolish if they put up l arge funds without trust. You first have to have the trust before the mone y. It is rare but sometimes the number 2 comes before number 1 this is one of those times. You have 1 but 2 is a key element to why 1 exist with me.  \n\n\n\n Yes\, Profd\, here is a simple example. If I am a billionaire\, no a multibillionaire\, lets say I have ten billion. so ten percent is on e billion. one percent is one hundred million. \n\n\n\n So\, now someone\ , like myself says\, why don't Rich spend one hundred million\, which is o ne percent of rich rich's wealth in this example right? \n\n\n\n Now\, th at 100 million is Rich Rich's money right?  Rich Rich can do what he want with his money right? So\, if Rich Rich don't invest in the community  t hat is perfectly acceptable because Rich Rich is free to not invest or inv est with Rich Rich's. While\, if rich rich is honest\, if he is me he is\, Rich Rich will publicly say he isn't helping the black populace in the us a and is responsible for not helping as one of the wealthiest black people in the usa. Cause that is the truth. If someone like Profd says in some f orum\, you guys want Rich Rich to invest his money \, but can't trust a st eward . and someone will say\, Rich Rich said\, as a fiscally wealthy blac k person in fiscal capitalsim that I have to invest first\, before any fis cally poor black person\, and if I don't invest\, I am free to but anyone can tell me to shut the fuck up if I chime in on the village. Yes\, if I w as a billionaire and freely chose to not invest in the community but like to chime in on this show or that\, any black person has the right to tell me to shut the fuck up. \n\n\n\n To the obstacle of trust.... \n\n\n\n Y Es in the past the black churches in the usa had the ability to garner gra ssroots\, but the stewardship of the black populace in the usa by the blac k churches in the usa failed. From circa 1865 to 1990 the black churches i n the usa had their time and it ended with the majority of the black popul ace in the usa correctly rejecting their stewardship from the black church es. \n\n\n\n The black churches in the usa had three tenets: nonviolence/ grassroots activity/be of the church.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Be of the Church is very interesting historically. \n\n\n\n The black populace in the usa at one time was 99% christian. Comprehend the percentage of jews in the wh ite european populace/buddhist in the white asian populace was larger than non christian blacks in the black populace. So\, the entire advantage to black churches existed \, in terms of maintaining a strong role in the bla ck populace\, and sequentially membership.  But I think the 1950s\, was t he beginning of the end for the black churches in that be of the church ma ntra. Atheism/Islam/Buddhism/Belief systems or faiths older than christian ity or islam or judaism while indigenous to africa grew in influence. The Black churches in all earnest\, were never flexible enough when it came to the potential internal variance of cultures in the black populace in the usa. And their relationship to: Historic black colleges or universities\, the NAACP\, the garveyites\, the black soldiers from the first two phases of the white european imperial wars W.E.I.W.\, black newspapers\, the pant hers\, the nation of islam and many others all should had been integrated with black churches more but none were. The colleges or universities were initially 99% financed by white churches \, black people had no money when the 13th amendment was signed because our populace was mostly enslaved no t to long before. So I comprehend that white churches wanted the colleges to get black members to their churches. But black churches needed to merge with those colleges\, comprehending that at their core they are places of learning not religion. The garveyites\, again\, malcolm's father was a pa stor. But\, not all churches supported garveyism. and that was foolish to me. The NAACP financed by white jews and has a black 1% workforce  in it\ , but link to them. and they didn't. Black Soldiers\, so many black soldie rs in the first phase of the W.E.I.W. came back to the usa invigorated \, but alot of times they organized away from the black churches\, not throug h it. I comprehend that many soldiers don't share the position on violence many church folk will want but embrace these people. Newsppapers/Panthers / Nation of Islam  the black churches simply didn't make an effort to bin d with black organizations or groups over the years. It isn't about people coming to them but they needed to lead and go to others\, and they didn't and the results are easy to see.  The modern internal multiracial realit y in the black populace in the usa has left the black churches behind\, bu t they never embraced it\, even among themselves. What always knocks me ou t is how little black churches helped each other. Very individualistic bla ck churches are.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Grassroots activity is huge\, initiall y the most positive. Black churches were able to manage black money/time/m uscle into building schools\, being active in government affairs. Again th e 1950s\, was a time of change. Circa 1865 most black people in the usa we re correctly\, financially worthless\, as they came out of enslavement. Bu t by 1955\, and moreso in 1965\, you see the rise of what i call the black one percent. Nonviolently\, evading or surviving or overcoming all sorts of white violence/attacks/bullying/terrorism some black people \, with the help of the village cause no one does it alone no matter what they tell y ou\, achieved financial wealth.  Not white wealth levels\, again\, white people killed first people to take their land and enslaved black folk to t ill that land\, so having access to land + labor that you are not paying a t market rate or in various tax system or rulesets helps catapult financia l revenue streams\, which black people wierdly seem to think can be better legally. But the black wealthy circa 1950s had developed a culture starte d from 1865 that influenced black churches badly. The black wealthy all we nt to black churches and started manipulating how they operated \, whereas circa 1865 black churches sought to help the black populace\, circa 1955 black churches are telling black people to help themselves. Black business owners flipped the bill for alot of activities in the 1960s but the black churches should had by that time been more involved. But the death of gra ssroots activities from black churches to the larger black populace in the ir regions started to change how black people related to the churches. Kwa me Ture\, some know as Stokely Carmicheal\, said it best himself\, about M artin Luther King jr\, can you imagine a black baptist preacher doesn't ac cept a cadillac. The Black Preachers by the 1960s in majority were not abo ut the flock but themselves\, that is why they never voted for MLK jr to b e head of the southern black christian leadership conference. And in paral lel\, the wealthy black churches have survived well to this day each in th eir individual glamour while the fiscally poor churches said rich churches didn't even think warranted a grassroots activity to save died and with t hem a huge disassociation from the larger black populace in the usa. \n\n \n\n  \n\n\n\n Nonviolence:) I saved this last\, cause i argue this was t he biggest injury black churches had to their leadership position in the b lack populace in the usa. \n\n\n\n So many black people were beaten \, th e tragedy of the usa\, is alot of times\, black people ourselves\, focus o n the hangings\, the burnings\, the action from whites that lead to death\ , but i think the violent actions from whites that are not lethal are more interesting. \n\n\n\n How many black women were raped? I know in one tow n all the black women were raped by whites\, a common knowledge around bla ck people in that town. \n\n\n\n How many black men were beaten by whites \, unsheeted circa 1865 to anytime now sheeted circa 1875 to circa 1965 un iformed circa 1865 to anytime now. \n\n\n\n The Black Churches circa 1865 had a vote where they decided a collective stance\, an agreement between black churches on the stance towards violence [I am trying to find out all i can about this and add it to the DOS EARLY LITERATURE GROUP\, it will b e one of my best finds if I can] \, to support nonviolence. \n\n\n\n And I don't mind that\, but here is the problem\, when you promote nonviolence aside a communalism circa 1865 black individuals don't feel alone\, but f rom circa 1950s to modernity the nonviolence is aside individualism. In th e 1970s white people still enslaved black people straightly\, albeit illeg ally\, while black churches in the same 1970s are talking about bootstraps . Said enslaved black people:  can't chew through metal\,  block a bulle t to their arm or deal with a ax hit across their foot\, can't attack an a rmed person with the power of faith. Black people needed armed protection\ , they needed guidance away from white violence. But all the black churche s ever provided from circa 1865 to modernity\, 2025\, going from undoubted leaders to castaway organizations\, is no guidance away from violence or no protection and black people\, like any people with some sense\, saw the nonviolent plea ended up with the black churches leaving each of its memb ers alone\, as black individuals against white communal violence and why g o to church for that. I will never forget Sean Bell's father\, he said he wanted the men who killed his son dead. Al sharpton\, the pastor\, and oth ers made sure he wasn't heard much after in the media sphere\, and that en capsulates the problem with non violence from the black church. It is a sp it in the eye. The same Black Churches that shut up Sean Bell's father who said nothing wrong in my mind\, will then turn to people with similar fee ling to sean bell's father\, all earned by white violence\, and tell them about investing in some business\, voting for some official\, all of thing s that will not satisfy their warranted anger. Cause the black churches do n't care. it is a philosophical desire that leaves black people alone in t he affairs that matter most while demanding some unwarranted communal acti on by the same individuals.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And this goes to my poi nt about Black leadership concerning the Black 1% in the usa\, said 1% was brewed in Black Churches in the usa. The Black Churches developed an indi vidualist culture that didn't even allow them to help fellow black churche s\, and made them private clubs whose members ingratiate themselves and ha ve a heirarchy of wealth\, dismissive of anybody outside. So when I sugges t the black 1% put up their money\, I don't do that hopefully. It is merel y strategic assessment within a fiscal capitalistic environment where all major actions come through the fiscal aristocracy \, no matter how they go t their wealth\, and uplifting the black populace in the usa is a major ac tion. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n PRofd you suggest in a climate of individualism that garnering the trust needed is a continent bridging act of organizati on. I concur. Possibility is not probability. Possibility ask can a thing happen or not. Probability ask what is the gamble\, as a numerical value\, a thing can happen. \n\n\n\n It is possible\, all things are possible ac tually. But the probability is very low in this case. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thi ng/#findComment-71630  (FROM TROY  IN AMENDMENT- this came in after I ha d set up this post so I just placed it in )\n\n\n\n   21 hours ago\, r ichardmurray said:\n\n\n\n I will love to know who has bought two packs o f cigarettes in a month in nyc ?\n\n\n\n \n\n There are plenty of people. I was asked to buy a carton of cigarettes here in Florida for someone up i n New York City who smokes two packs a day. My mother easily smokes a pack a day and has been doing that for the better part of 3/4 of a century.\n\ n\n\n  \n\n\n\n certainly\, we as a people can do a much better job and i nvesting in our own businesses.\n\n  \n\n\n\n We do have experience with this already. There are mega churches all over the country that are suppor ted by relatively small contributions by large numbers of people. Some of those churches have schools and provide a wide variety of services for the community in addition to ensuring contributors get into heaven. But churc hes have all types of tax advantages that regular businesses don’t.\n\n \n\n The real issue\, I think\, is creating wealth for the investors rathe r than lighting the pockets of some charismatic preacher. It is not just a matter of organizing the investors it’s coming up with the viable busin ess.\n\n  \n\n\n\n Alternatively\, people can be content in simply contri buting to a business without expecting to be rewarded financially. People contribute to my business simply because they want to support what I’m d oing\, which is beautiful because it actually does help. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\ n\n MY REPLY \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @Troy \n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2025 a t 8:04 PM\, Troy said:\n \n\n \n \n There are plenty of people. I was asked to buy a carton of cigarettes here in Florida for someone up in New York City who smokes two packs a day. My mother easily smokes a pack a da y and has been doing that for the better part of 3/4 of a century.\n \n \ n\n\n\n Buy a carton in florida\, not in NYC and Profd's point was about N YC\, not buying in another state because of the cost in nyc... \n\n\n\n \ n   On 2/12/2025 at 8:04 PM\, Troy said:\n \n\n \n \n certainly\, we as a people can do a much better job and investing in our own businesse s.\n \n \n\n\n\n whose we? The black populace in the usa\, not the world\ , not another country\, the usa has no we. Yes\, small tribes do this or t hat. But overall no we exist in the black populace of the usa. So I argue\ , the black populace in the usa is doing as it has been guided from intern ally as well as externally. And that is fine. Individualism has served bla ck people in the usa well for those that want to integrate\, to merge\, to miscegenate\, to become one with the non black in the usa.\n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2025 at 8:04 PM\, Troy said:\n \n\n \n \n We do have expe rience with this already. There are mega churches all over the country tha t are supported by relatively small contributions by large numbers of peop le. Some of those churches have schools and provide a wide variety of serv ices for the community in addition to ensuring contributors get into heave n. But churches have all types of tax advantages that regular businesses d on’t.\n \n \n\n\n\n yeah\, I mentioned black churches in my reply to Pr ofd\, yeah ok. but black churches are about themselves\, again\, they don' t help each other\, so...\n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2025 at 8:04 PM\, Troy  said:\n \n\n \n \n The real issue\, I think\, is creating wealth for the investors rather than lighting the pockets of some charismatic preache r. It is not just a matter of organizing the investors it’s coming up wi th the viable business.\n \n \n\n\n\n the time has passed on that. The cu lture of ingratiating the preacher is fully embedded\, the time to unravel that was in the 1900s not 2025 and after\n\n\n\n \n   On 2/12/2025 at 8:04 PM\, Troy said:\n \n\n \n \n Alternatively\, people can be conte nt in simply contributing to a business without expecting to be rewarded f inancially. People contribute to my business simply because they want to s upport what I’m doing\, which is beautiful because it actually does hel p. \n \n \n\n\n\n your right. I never said there are not black people wi th money who give with no desire for financial returns.  But the black fi scal poor can't lead a website to the kind of growth to become a \"electro nic freedom's journal\".. not in my opinion. Can they be part of the journ ey yes\, but not lead. That is asking the most from the poorest.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing /#findComment-71635\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Prior Economic Corner\n\n\n\n https ://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11447-economiccorner011/\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n It is ti me for black people in the usa to realize that the past has created a heri tage of individualism that is warranted and needs to be championed. You wa nt the best chances\, probability\, of communalism among black people thro ughout an entire country\, leave the usa. Communalism in the usa is only v iable in small tribal sections\, not from sea to shining sea.  \n\n\n\n POST URL\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11475-economiccorner012/\n\n\n\n P RIOR EDITION\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/167-economic-corner -11-what-should-you-see-after-a-deepseek-01282025/\n\n\n\n NEXT EDITION\n\ n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/194-economic-corner-13-02152025/\n \n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 02142026\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n CITATION\n\n\n\n https://aal bc.com/tc/topic/12464-economic-corner-12-02122025-offline-internets-and-in tranets /#findComment-80117\n\n\n\n osted just now\n\n\n\n @ProfD \n\n\ n\n   On 2/13/2026 at 1:31 AM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Time flies. That d ialog is 1 year old already. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n exactly\, what has chang ed\, what has evolved. \n\n\n\n   On 2/13/2026 at 1:31 AM\, ProfD sai d:\n\n\n\n Nothing much has changed. There is not mega-Black-owned website .\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Apparently\, there's no real incentive to create such a website when Black folks are comfortable using the white-owned sites i. e.  F*c*b**k\, X\, Inst*gr*m\, T*kT*k\, G**gle\, etc.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I still think the Black church tribe is large enough to warrant creating  their own internet platform.\n\n\n\n And your words provide what has chan ged or not\, what has evolved or not. The issue then is still here. \n\n\ n\n To your point\, of the black church \, one issue. \n\n\n\n The black christian churches in the usa as a collective are large enough but the bla ck christian churches don't act as a cohesive collective. They are a tribe \, but they are very individual. the black christian churches of New york city is a microcosm. harlem is full of black christian churches\, abysinni an is historically the most potent\, in terms of revenue \, money\, but ab yssinnian has never tried to create a unity among black churches in new yo rk city... to my knowledge\, and if they did in the past\, they clearly fa iled. \n\n\n\n So from a population perspective I concur 100% to you. But strategically\, something new is needed that doesn't exist now. \n\n\n\n I can tell you\, black christian churches[baptist/methodist/jehovah's wti ness/et cetera]/black muslim mosque/black jewish temples all exist in harl em today. You can argue\, if black religious groups in NYC alone came toge ther to make such a platform online they would have the numbers. But\, whe n you look at the most organized set of churches in nyc\, which is the cat holic[ black\, non black\, or other] you see one question has to be answer ed? who will be the pope? who will be the archdiocese? \n\n\n\n The south ern black christian leadership conference has a council but also a  presi dent. so... they have the populace to warrant but they don't have the orga nizational flexibility to warrant. \n\n\n\n thinking on this and I thank you\, Al sharpton has national action network\, which has associations to various religious groups but they all do it willingly on their own. They h aven't made a creed so to speak\, to legally join them.  I argue he proba bly has the best media face to start such an endeavor and definitely has t he ear of the pastors/priest/episcopals to most in the black religious pop ulace in new york city. But\, he is older and his idea of integration's pa th in the usa as well as indiividual allowance in the usa probably makes t he idea of such a website \, negative . \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n \n\n\n  \n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20250212 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR