BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 5.0.18//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:https://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Truth from Jeffrey Sachs 04262025 DTSTAMP:20250427T011858Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:260-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":noreply@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n Truth from Jeffrey Sachs 04262025\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Para phrase- a paraphrase isn't a quote \n\n When the soviet union ended in 19 91 the united states literally believed this is now a u.s. world and we wi ll do as we want\, the wars in the middle east\, Serbia\, the wars in Afri ca\, these are wars that the united states led and caused\, and this has b een true for more than 40 years\, as Europe has not had any foreign policy during this period that i can figure out\, no voice\, no unity\, no clari ty\, only American loyalty\, please don't have American officials as head of Europe \, have European officials\, have the European foreign policy\, you are going to be living with Russia for a long time\, so please negotia te with Russia\, cause trump and president putin will agree to end the war \, if Europe does all it's great war mongering\, it doesn't matter\, the w ar is ending\, not one word is told to the American people about anything\ , or to you\, or by any of your newspapers these days\, this idea that put in reconstructing the Russian empire \, this is childish propaganda\, so t he war started\, what was putin's intention in the war\, i can tell you wh at his intention was\, when Zelensky said in seven days lets negotiate\, i know the details of this exquisitely\, I flew to Ankara to listen in deta il\, to what the mediators were doing\, Ukraine walked away unilaterally f rom a near agreement\, why \, because the united states told them to\, I b egged the Ukrainians\, and I had a track record with the Ukrainians\, I ad vise the Ukrainians\, I am not anti Ukrainian\, i am pro Ukrainian complet ely\, I said save your lives\, save your sovereignty\, save your territory \, be neutral\, don't listen to the americans\, I repeated to them the fam ous adage of henry Kissinger\, that to be an enemy of the united states is dangerous but to be a friend is fatal. \n\n COMPLETE\n\n Video\n\n https ://youtu.be/_RNE3X41IvM?si=0GVA2hOPZfapR5hJ\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n \n\n Transcri pt\n\n  \n\n\n\n 0:00\nJeffrey Zak is about to give a talk here in the Eu ropean Parliament enjoy it when\n0:05\nthe Soviet Union ended in 1991 the United States literally\n0:10\nbelieved this is now a US World and we will do as we want the wars in the\n0:16\nMiddle East Serbia the wars in Afric a these are Wars that the United States\n0:21\nLED and caused and this has been true for more than 40 years Europe has not\n0:28\nhad any foreign po licy during this period that I can figure out no voice no\n0:33\nUnity no Clarity only American loyalty\n0:39\nplease don't have American officials as head of Europe have European officials\n0:45\nhave a European foreign p olicy you're going to be living with Russia for a long time so please nego tiate with\n0:51\nRussia Trump and President Putin will agree to end the w ar if Europe does all\n0:57\nits great warmongering it doesn't matter the war is ending not one word is told\n1:03\nto the American people about any thing or to you or by any of your newspapers\n1:09\nthese days this idea t hat Putin's reconstructing the Russian Empire this is childish propaganda so the war\n1:17\nstarted what was Putin's intention in the war I can tell you what his\n1:23\nintention was when zalinski said in 7 Days let's\n1:2 8\nnegotiate I know know the details of this exquisitly I flew to anchora to\n1:34\nlisten in detail to what the mediators were doing Ukraine walked away\n1:40\nunilaterally from a near agreement why because the United Sta tes told them to I\n1:46\nbegged the ukrainians and I had a track record w ith the ukrainians I advised the ukrainians I'm not anti-ukrainian I'm\n1: 53\nPro Ukrainian completely I said save your lives save your sovereignty save\n1:58\nyour territory be neutral don't listen to the Americans I repe ated to them the\n2:03\nfamous adage of Henry Kissinger that to be an enem y of the United States is\n2:09\ndangerous but to be a friend is fatal abo ve all I want to welcome Professor\n2:15\nJeffrey saak and today Jeff is p robably the person in the world to speak up for\n2:20\npeace everywhere fo r peace which all these things combined and therefore I'm very happy that you're here and uh I'm\n2:28\nhere since 6 months and this Parliament and for somebody who worked for the UN I was actually quite shocked to learn t hat\n2:34\nthis Parliament speaks only about War I think we have now to re think what we\n2:40\nwant to do and I hope the European Union will also co me because I'm Pro European\n2:45\nUnion will come to to realize that we h ave also to see how we seek peace and how we manage peace and how we creat e\n2:52\nagain a peaceful Europe and Jeff might give us for these things s ome insight thank you very much\n2:59\n[Applause] I've watched the events very close up uh\nJeffrey Sachs' Background\n3:05\nin Eastern Europe the f ormer Soviet Union Russia uh very closely for the\n3:14\nlast uh 36 years I was an advisor to the Polish government in\n3:20\n1989 uh to uh Presiden t gorbachov in\n3:26\n1990 and 91 to president yelton in 1991 to\n3:32\n19 93 to president kochma of Ukraine in 1993\n3:38\n94 I helped introduce the Estonian currency I I helped several countries in\n3:46\nuh former Yugosl avia especially Slovenia uh I've watched the events very\n3:54\nclose up f or 36 years uh after after the\n4:00\nmaidan I was uh asked by the new gov ernment to come to Kiev and I was\n4:05\ntaken around the maidan and I lea rned a lot of things uh firsthand I I've been in touch with\n4:13\nRussian leaders for more than 30 years I know the American political\n4:20\nleade rship uh close up uh our previous\n4:25\nuh Secretary of Treasury was my m acroeconomic teacher uh 51 years ago or\n4:33\njust to give you an idea so we were very close friends for a half century I know\n4:41\nall of these people I just want to say this because what I want to explain in\n4:46\nmy point of view is not uh secondhand it's not ideology it's what I've seen\ n4:52\nwith my own eyes and experienced during this\n4:57\nperiod in my un derstanding of the events that have uh befallen Europe in many\nThe Origin of Today's US Foreign Policy\n5:06\ncontexts uh and I'll include not only the uh Ukraine crisis uh but uh\n5:15\nSerbia 1999 the wars in the Middle East\n5:21\nincluding Iraq Syria the wars in Africa including\n5:27\nSuda n Somalia uh Libya these are to a very significant\n5:36\nextent that woul d surprise you perhaps uh and would be\n5:42\ndenounced about what I'm abo ut to say these are Wars that the United States\n5:48\nLED and caused and this has been true\n5:53\nfor more than 40 years now what happened\n6:01\n more than 30 years I should say to be more precise the United States came to the\n6:10\nview especially in 1990 91 and then with the end of the Sovi et\n6:16\nUnion that the US now ran the world and that the US did not have to\n6:24\nheed anybody's views red lines con concerns\n6:30\nsecurity vie wpoints or any International\n6:35\nobligations or any un framework I'm so rry to put it so plainly but I do want\n6:44\nyou to understand I tried ve ry hard in\n6:52\n1991 to get help for gorbachov who I think was the great est Statesman of our\n6:57\nmodern time I recently read the archived memo of the\n7:05\nNational Security Council discussion of my proposal how they \n7:11\ncompletely dismissed it and laughed it off the table when I said t hat the\n7:16\nUnited States should help the Soviet Union in financial sta bilization and in making its\n7:24\nreforms and the memo documents includi ng some of my former colleagues at Harvard\n7:31\nin particular saying we will do the minimum that we will do to prevent\n7:37\ndisaster but the min imum it's not our job to help quite the contrary it's not\n7:43\nour inter est to help when the Soviet Union ended in\n7:50\n1991 the view became eve n more exaggerated and I can name chapter and\n7:58\nverse but the view wa s We Run The Show Cheney Wolowitz and many other\n8:06\nnames that you wil l have come to know literally believed this is now a US\n8:14\nWorld and w e will do as we want we will clean up from the former Soviet Union we\n8:2 3\nwill take out any remaining allies countries like Iraq Syria\n8:30\nand so forth will go and we've been experiencing this foreign\n8:36\npolicy f or now essentially 33\n8:43\nyears Europe has paid a heavy price for this because Europe has not had any\n8:49\nforeign policy during this period th at I can figure out no voice no Unity no Clarity no\n8:58\nEuropean intere sts only American\n9:04\nloyalty there were moments where there were disag reements and very uh I think\n9:10\nuh wonderful disagreements especially in the last time of significance was 2003\n9:17\nin the Iraq War when Fran ce and Germany said we don't support the United States\n9:24\nuh going aro und the UN Security Council for this war that war by the way was\n9:30\ndi rectly concocted by Netanyahu and his colleagues in the US\n9:38\nuh Penta gon I'm not saying that it was a link or mutuality I'm saying it was a\n9: 46\ndirect war that was a war carried out for Israel it was a war that Pau l wolfowitz\n9:53\nand Douglas feith coordinated with Netanyahu and that w as the last time\n10:00\nthat Europe had a voice and I spoke with European leaders\n10:07\nthen and they were very clear and it was uh quite\n10:15\ nwonderful Europe lost its voice entirely after that but especially in\n10 :22\n2008 now what happened after 1991 to get to 2008 is that\nNATO Enlarg ement\n10:30\nthe United States decided that unipolarity meant that NATO w ould\n10:36\nenlarge somewhere from Brussels to Vlados step by step there would be no\n10:42\nend to Eastward enlargement of NATO this would be the US unipolar World\n10:51\nif you play the game of Risk as a child like I d id this is the US idea to have\n10:58\nthe peace on on every part of the b oard any place without a US military base is\n11:05\nan enemy basically ne utrality is a dirty word in\n11:10\nthe US political lexicon perhaps the d irtiest word at\n11:15\nleast if you're an enemy we know you're an enemy i f you are neutral you're\n11:21\nsubversive because then you're really aga inst us because you're not telling us you're pretending to be neutral\n11: 30\nso this was the mindset and the decision was taken formally in\n11:35\ n1994 when President Clinton signed off on NATO enlargement to the east yo u will\n11:42\nrecall that in February 7th\n11:47\n1991 Hans Dietra genter and James Baker III spoke with\n11:54\ngorbachov genter gave a press conf erence afterwards where he explained\n11:59\nNATO will not move Eastward w e will not take advantage of the dissolution of the\n12:08\nWarsaw Pact an d understand that was in a\n12:13\njuridical context not a casual context this was the end of World War II being negotiated\n12:21\nfor German reuni fication and an agreement was\n12:26\nmade that NATO will not move one in Eastford and it was explicit and it is\n12:33\nin countless documents and just look up National Security Archive of George\n12:39\nWashington Univer sity and you can get dozens of documents it's a website called what gorbac hov heard about NATO\n12:48\ntake a look because everything you're told by the US is a lie about this but\n12:54\nthe archives are perfectly clear s o the decision was taken in\n13:01\n1994 to expand NATO all the way to\n13 :06\nUkraine this is a project this is not one Administration or another t his is a\n13:13\nUS Government project that started more than 30 years\n13 :23\nago in 1997 zign binski wrote The Grand\n13:30\nchessboard that is no t just musings of Mr binski that is the presentation of\n13:36\nthe decisi ons of the United States government explained to the public which\n13:42\n is how these books work and the book describes the Eastward\n13:48\nenlarg ement of Europe and of NATO as simultaneous\n13:55\nevents and there's a g ood chapter in that book that says what will Russia do as Europe\n14:04\na nd NATO expand Eastward and I knews big binski\n14:11\npersonally he was v ery nice to me I I was advising Poland he was a big help he\n14:18\nwas a very nice and smart man and he got everything wrong so in 1997 he wrote In detail why\n14:29\nRussia could do nothing but exceed to the Eastward exp ansion of NATO and\n14:35\nEurope in fact he says the Eastward expansion o f Europe and not just Europe but NATO this was a plan a\n14:44\nproject an d he explains how Russia will never align with\n14:49\nChina Unthinkable R ussia will never align with\n14:55\nIran Russia has no vocation other than the European vocation so as Europe moves\n15:02\nEast there's nothing Rus sia can do about it so says yet another American\n15:09\nstrategist is it any question why we're in war all the\n15:14\ntime because one thing about America is we always know what our counterparts are\n15:20\ngoing to do a nd we always get it wrong and one reason we always get it\n15:26\nwrong is that in game theory that the American strategists play you don't\n15:32\n actually talk to the other side you just know what the other side strategy is\n15:38\nthat's it's wonderful it saves so much time you don't need any \n15:48\ndiplomacy so this project began and we had a continuity of govern ment for 30\n15:56\nyears until maybe yesterday\n16:02\nperhaps 30 years o f a project Ukraine and Georgia were the keys to the project\n16:12\nwhy b ecause America learned everything it knows from the\n16:18\nBritish and so we are the wannabe British\n16:24\nEmpire and what the British Empire und erstood in 185\n16:29\n53 Mr Palmer Lord Palmerston excuse me is that you surround Russia in the\n16:37\nBlack Sea and you deny Russia access to the Eastern\n16:43\nMediterranean and all you're watching is an American proj ect to do that in the\n16:50\n21st century the idea\n16:55\nwas that there would be Ukraine Romania Bulgaria turkey and\n17:03\nGeorgia as the Black Sea literal that would deprive Russia of any\n17:12\nInternational status by blocking the Black Sea and essentially\n17:19\nby neutralizing Russia as more than a local power brinsky is completely clear\n17:26\nabout this and before rinsky there was mender and who owns the island of the\n17:34\n world owns the world so this project goes back a long time I think it goes \n17:40\nback basically to Palmerston in 19 and again I've lived\n17:49\nt hrough every Administration I've known these presidents I've known their t eams nothing changed much from Clinton\n17:57\nto Bush to Obama to Trump o ne to\n18:02\nBiden maybe they got worse step by step Biden was the worst in my\n18:09\nview uh maybe also because he was not compos mtis for the la st couple of years\n18:16\nand I say that seriously not as a snarky remark the American political system is\n18:23\na system of image it's a system of media manipulation every day\n18:29\nit is a PR system and so you could have a president that basically doesn't\n18:35\nfunction and have that in power for two years and actually have that President\n18:42\nrun for reel ection and one damn thing is he had to stand on a stage for 90\n18:47\nmin utes by himself and that was the end of it had it not been that mistake he \n18:53\nwould have gone on to have his candidacy whether he was sleeping after 400 p.m. in the afternoon or\n18:59\nnot so this is actually the rea lity everybody goes along with it it's\n19:06\nimpolite to say anything th at I'm saying because we don't speak the truth about\n19:12\nalmost anythi ng in this world right now so this project went on from the\n19:19\n1990s bombing Belgrade 78 straight days in 1999 was part of this project\n19:27\ nsplitting a part the country when borders are Sacro San aren't they indee d\n19:33\nexcept for Kosovo that's fine because borders are sacrosanct exc ept when America changes\n19:42\nthem Sudan was another related project th e South Sudan Rebellion did\n19:50\nthat just happen because South Sudanes e rebelled or can I give you the CIA\n19:57\nPlaybook to please understand as grown-ups what this is\n20:04\nabout military events are costly they r equire equipment\n20:10\ntraining base camps intelligence finance that com es from Big\n20:18\npowers that doesn't come from local\n20:23\ninsurrecti ons South Sudan did not defeat North Sudan or Sudan\n20:30\nin a tribal ba ttle it was a US project I would go often to Nairobi and\n20:39\nmeet us m ilitary or senators or others with deep interest in Sudan's\n20:48\npoliti cs this was part of the game of\n20:53\nunipolarity so the NATO enlargemen t as you know started in 1999 with Hungary\n20:59\nPoland and the Czech Re public and Russia was extremely unhappy about it but these were\n21:06\nco untries still far from the border and Russia protested but of course to no avail then\n21:15\nGeorge Bush Jr came in when 911 occurred President Put in pledged all\n21:22\nsupport and then the US uh decided in\n21:28\nSepte mber mber 20th\n21:33\n2001 that it would launch seven wars in five years and you can listen to General\n21:41\nWesley Clark online talk about that he was NATO Supreme Commander in\n21:47\n1999 he went to the Pentagon on S eptember 20th 2001 he was handed the\n21:53\npaper explaining seven wars t hese by the way were Netanyahu\n21:59\nWars the idea was partly to clean u p old Soviet allies and partly to take out\n22:06\nsupporters of Hamas and Hezbollah because netanyahu's idea was\n22:12\nthere will be one state th ank you only one state it will be Israel Israel will\n22:18\ncontrol all o f the territory and anyone that objects we will overthrow not we\n22:25\ne xactly our friend the United States that's US policy until this\n22:32\nmo rning we don't know whether it will change now the only wrinkle is that\n2 2:37\nmaybe the US will own Gaza instead of Israel owning Gaza but the ide a has been around at\n22:46\nleast for 25 years it actually goes back to a \n22:51\ndocument called clean break that Netanyahu and his American polit ical team put together in 1996 to end the\n23:01\nidea of the two-state so lution you can also find it online so these are projects these are\n23:08\ nlong-term events these aren't is it Clinton is it bush is it\n23:15\nObam a That's the boring way to look at American politics as the day-to-day gam e but\n23:21\nthat's not what American politics is so the next round of NA TO enlargement\n23:27\ncame in 2004 with seven more countries the three Ba ltic states\n23:34\nRomania Bulgaria Slovenia and Slovakia at this point R ussia was pretty\n23:41\ndamn upset this was a complete violation of the p ostwar order\n23:49\nagreed with German reunification essentially it was\n 23:55\na it it was a fundamental trick or defection of the US from a Coope rative\n24:02\nArrangement is what it amounted to because they believe in\ n24:10\nunipolarity so as everybody recalls because we just had the Munich security conference last week in 2007 President\n24:17\nPutin said stop e nough enough stop\n24:23\nnow and of course what that meant was in 2008 th e United States Jam down Europe's\n24:29\nthroat enlargement of NATO to Uk raine and Georgia this is a long-term\n24:35\nproject I listened to Mr sak ash in New York in May of 2008 and I walked out\n24:44\ncalled Sonia and s aid this man's crazy and a month later a war broke out\n24:50\nbecause the United States told this guy we save Georgia and he stands at the\n24:57\n Council on Foreign ation says Georgia's in the center of Europe well it ai n't\n25:03\nladies and gentlemen it's not in the center of Europe and the most recent events are\n25:10\nnot helpful for Georgia for its safety and your MPS going there or MEPS going\n25:16\nthere and European politicians that gets Georgia destroyed that doesn't save Georgia that gets Georgia\n2 5:24\ndestroyed completely destroyed in 20 8 as everybody knows our former CIA\n25:33\ndirector William Burns sent a long message back to condalisa Rice net means\n25:38\nnet about expansion this we know from Julian Assang e because believe me not\n25:45\none word is told to the American people a bout anything or to you or by any of\n25:51\nyour newspapers these days so we have Julian Assange to thank\n25:57\nbut we can read the memo in detai l as you know Victor yanukovich was\n26:03\nelected in 2010 on the platfor m of neutrality Russia had no\n26:11\nterritorial interests or designs in Ukraine at all I know I was there during these PE\n26:19\nthese years what Russia was negotiating was a 25-year lease to 2042\n26:28\nfor saastal Na val Base that's it not for Crimea not for the donbas\n26:35\nnothing like that this idea that Putin is\n26:40\nreconstructing the Russian Empire thi s is childish propaganda excuse me if\n26:48\nanyone knows the daytoday an d year-to-year history this is childish\n26:55\nstuff childish stuff seems to work better than adult old stuff so no designs at all the United\n27:0 4\nStates decided this man must be overthrown it's called a regime change\ n27:11\noperation there have been about a hundred of them by the United St ates many in your\n27:18\ncountries and many all over the world that's wha t the CIA does for a\n27:26\nliving okay please know it it's a very unusua l kind of foreign policy but in\n27:34\nAmerica if you don't like the othe r side you don't negotiate with them you try to\n27:41\noverthrow them pre ferably covertly if it doesn't work covertly you\n27:49\ndo it overtly you always say it's not our fault they're the aggressor they're the\n27:56\no ther side they're Hitler that comes up every two or three years whether it 's\n28:01\nSaddam Hussein whether it's Assad whether it's Putin that's ver y\n28:06\nconvenient that's the only foreign policy explanation the Americ an people are ever given\n28:14\nanywhere well we're facing Munich 1938 we ll we're facing Munich 1938 can't talk\n28:21\nto the other side they're e vil implacable foes that's the only model of foreign\n28:28\npolicy we eve r hear from our mass media and the mass media repeats it entirely\n28:36\n because it's completely suborned by the US government now in\n2014 Ukraine Euromaidan\n28:44\n2014 the US worked actively to overthrow\n28:50\nyanuk ovich everybody knows the phone call intercepted by my Columbia University colleague Victoria nuland\n28:59\nand the US ambassador Peter Pat can't r emember if I told you this or\n29:04\nif I only told Washington this that when I talked to Jeff feltman this morning he had a new name for the UN gu y Robert\n29:11\nSiri did I write you that this morning yeah I saw that he 's now gotten both\n29:17\nSiri and Bon kimoon to agree that Siri could co me in Monday or Tuesday okay so\n29:24\nthat would be great I think to hel p glue this thing and have the un help glue it and you know the EU no exac tly and\n29:32\nI think we've got to do something to make it stick togethe r because you can be pretty sure that if it does if it\n29:37\ndoes start to gain altitude the Russians will be working behind the scenes to try to torpedo it you don't get better\n29:44\nevidence the Russians intercepted her call and they put it on the internet\n29:49\nlisten to it it's fascina ting I know all these people by the way by doing that they all\n29:57\ngot promoted in the Biden Administration that's the job now when\n30:04\nthe maidon occurred I was called immediately oh Professor Sachs the new\n30:11 \nUkrainian prime minister would like to see you to talk about the economi c\n30:17\ncrisis because I'm pretty good at that and so I flew to\n30:23\n Kiev and I was walked around the maidan and and I was told how the US\n30: 30\npaid the money for all the people around the maidan\n30:36\nspontaneou s revolution of dignity ladies and Gentlemen\n30:42\nplease where do all t hese media Outlets come from where does all this\n30:47\norganization come from where do all these buses come from where do all these people called in come from are you\n30:55\nkidding this is organized and\n31:00\neffort and it's not a secret except to citizens of Europe and\n31:09\nthe United States everyone else understands it quite\n31:14\nclearly then came Minsk and especially Minsk\nMinsk Agreements\n31:20\n2 which by the way was mode led on South troan\n31:26\nautonomy and the belg could have related to MS2 very well it\n31:32\nsaid there should be autonomy for the Russians speak ing regions in the east of\n31:39\nUkraine it was supported unanimously by the UN Security\n31:45\nCouncil the United States and Ukraine decided it was not to\n31:51\nbe enforced Germany and France which were the guarantor s of the Normandy process\n31:59\nLet It Go and it was absolutely another direct\n32:07\nAmerican unipolar action with Europe as usual playing\n32:1 3\ncompletely useless subsidiary role even though it was a guarantor of th e\n32:20\nagreement Trump one raised the armaments there were many thousan ds of\n32:28\ndeaths in the shelling by Ukraine in the donbas there was no Minsk 2\n32:35\nagreement and then Biden came into office and again I kno w all these people\n32:42\nI used to be a member of the democratic party I now am strictly sworn to be a\n32:50\nmember of no party because both are the same\n32:56\nanyway and because this is I the Democrats became comple te warmongers\n33:02\nover time and there not was not one voice about peac e just like most of your\n33:10\nparliamentarians the same way so at the e nd of\n33:19\n1991 Putin put on the table a last effort in two security ag reement draft\n33:28\none with Europe and one with the United States the U S put on the table December 15th n uh\n33:36\n2021 I had an hour call with Jake Sullivan in the white house\nSachs' Call with Jake Sullivan\n33:42\n begging Jake avoid the war you can avoid the war all you have\n33:49\nto d o is say nato will not enlarge to Ukraine and he said to me oh NATO is not \n33:58\ngoing to enlarge to Ukraine don't worry about it I said Jake say it publicly no\n34:04\nno no we can't say it publicly said Jake you're goi ng to have a war over\n34:10\nsomething that isn't even going to happen he said don't worry Jeff there will be no\n34:17\nwar these are not very bri ght people I'm telling you if I can give you\n34:25\nmy honest view they'r e not very bright people and I've dealt with them for more than 40\n34:30\ nyears they talk to themselves they don't talk to anybody else they play g ame\n34:37\ntheory in non-cooperative Game Theory you don't talk to the ot her side you\n34:42\njust make your strategy this is the essence of Game\n 34:50\nTheory it's not negotiation Theory it's not peacemaking Theory it i s UN atal\n34:59\nnon-cooperative theory if you know formal Game Theory th at's what they play\n35:04\nit started at the Rand Corporation that's what they still play in 2019\n35:09\nthere's a paper by Rand how do we extend Russia do you know they wrote a paper\n35:15\nwhich Biden followed how do we annoy Russia that's literally the strategy how\n35:23\ndo we annoy Russ ia we're trying to provoke it trying to make could break\n35:28\napart may be have regime change maybe have unrest maybe have economic\n35:33\ncrisis that's what you call your ally are you\n35:41\n[Music] kidding so I had a long and\n35:46\nfrustrating phone call with suvan I was standing out in the freezing\n35:52\ncold I happen to be H trying to have a ski day\n35:58 \nand there I was Jake don't have the war oh there'll be no war\n36:04\nJe ff we know a lot of what happened the next month which is that they refus to\nNATO's Open Door Policy\n36:12\nnegotiate the stupidest idea of NATO i s the so-called open door\n36:18\npolicy are you kidding NATO reserves the right to go where it wants without any\n36:26\nneighbor having any say wh atsoever well I tell the Mexicans and\n36:32\nthe Canadians don't try it y ou know Trump may want to take over Canada\n36:40\nso Canada could say to China why don't you build a military base uh in uh in in\n36:47\nOntario I wouldn't advise it and the United States would not say\n36:53\nwell it's an open door that's their business I mean they can do what they want that' s not our\n36:59\nbusiness but grown-ups in Europe repeat this in Europe i n your commission your\n37:08\nhigh representative this is nonsense stuff this is not even baby\n37:17\ngeopolitics this is just not thinking at all so the war started what was Putin's\nPutin's Intentions in Ukraine\n37:25 \nintention in the war I can tell you what his intention was it was to for ce\n37:33\nzalinski to negotiate neutrality and that happened within 7\n37 :41\nDays of the start of the invasion you should understand this not\n37: 48\nthe propaganda that's written about this oh that they failed and he wa s going to take over\n37:54\nUkraine come on ladies and gentlemen understa nd something\n37:59\nbasic the idea was to keep NATO and what is NATO it's the United\n38:06\nStates off of Russia's border no more no\n38:12\nless I should add one very important Point why are they so interested first\n38 :22\nbecause if China or Russia decided to have a military base on the Rio Grand or\n38:29\nin uh the Canadian border Not only would the United Stat es freak out we'd have\n38:34\nWar within about 10 minutes but because the United States\n38:40\nunilaterally abandoned the anti-ballistic missile t reaty in 2002\n38:46\nand ended the nuclear arms control framework by doin g so and this is extremely important to\n38:55\nunderstand the nuclear Arm s Control framework is based on trying to block a\n39:01\nfirst strike the ABM Treaty was a critical component of that the US unilaterally\n39:08\nw alked out of the ABM Treaty in 2002 it blew a Russian gasket so everything I've\n39:15\nbeen describing is in the context of the destruction of the nuclear framework as well and starting in 2010 the US put in\n39:24\nAIS m issile systems in Poland and then in\n39:29\nRomania and Russia doesn't li ke that and one of the issues on the table in\n39:35\nDecember and January December 2021 January 2022 was does the United States\n39:42\nclaim the r ight to put missile systems in Ukraine and blinkin told lavro in\n39:49\nJ anuary 2022 the United States reserves the right to put middle missile sys tems\n39:55\nwherever it wants that's\n40:00\nyour putative Ally and now l et's put intermediate\n40:06\nmissile systems back in Germany the United S tates walked out of the INF treaty unilaterally in 2019 there is no\n40:14 \nnuclear arms framework right now\n40:21\nnone when zalinsky said in seve n days let's\n2022 Peace Talks\n40:26\nnegotiate I know the details of thi s\n40:31\nexquisitly because I've talked to all the parities in\n40:36\nde tail within a couple of weeks there was a document\n40:42\nexchanged that President Putin had approved that lavro had presented that\n40:47\nwas bei ng managed by the Turkish mediators I flew to anchora to listen in\n40:54\ ndetail to what the mediators were doing Ukraine walked away unilaterally\ n41:02\nfrom a near agreement why because the United States\n41:09\ntold t hem to because the UK added icing to the cake by having\n41:18\nBojo go in early April to Ukraine and\n41:24\nexplain and he has recently and if you r security is in the hands of Boris\n41:29\nJohnson God help us all Keith starmer turns out to be even\n41:35\nworse it's unimaginable but it is\n41 :42\ntrue Boris Johnson has explained and you can look it\n41:47\nup on th e website that what's at stake here is Western\n41:54\nhegemony not Ukrain e Western he\n42:00\nMichael and I met at the Vatican with a group in the spring of\n42:05\n20122 where we wrote a document explaining nothing good can come out of\n42:11\nthis war for Ukraine negotiate now because anythin g that takes time will mean massive amounts of deaths risk of\n42:20\nnucl ear escalation and likely loss of the\n42:26\nwar I wouldn't change one wo rd from what we wrote then nothing was wrong in that\n42:32\ndocument and since that document since the US talked the negotiators away from\n42:38\n the table about a million ukrainians have died or been severely\n42:45\nwo unded and the American Senators who are as nasty and cynical and corrupt a s\n42:54\nimaginable say this is wonderful expenditure of our money becaus e no Americans are\n43:00\ndying it's the pure proxy war one of our Senato rs near by me uh\n43:07\nBlumenthal says this out loud Mitt Romney says th is out loud it's\n43:14\nbest money America can spend no Americans are dyi ng it's\n43:21\nunreal now just to bring us up to yesterday\n43:28\nthis f ailed this project failed the idea of the project was that Russia would\n4 3:34\nfold its hand the idea all along was Russia can't\n43:40\nresist as big new binski explained in 1997 the Americans thought we have the\n43:47\ nupper hand we're going to win because we're going to Bluff them they're n ot really\n43:54\ngoing to fight they're not really going to mobilize the nuclear option of cutting them out\n44:00\nof Swift that's going to do the m in the\n44:06\neconomic sanctions that's going to do them in the himars that's going to do them in\n44:13\nthe attacks the f-16s honestly I've lis tened to this for\n44:21\n70 years I've listened to it as semi understandi ng I'd say for\n44:27\nabout 56 years they speak nonsense every day my\n44 :33\ncountry my government this is so familiar to me completely familiar I begged the\n44:42\nukrainians and I had a track record with the ukrainian s I advised the ukrainians I'm not anti-ukrainian I'm pro-ukrainian\n44:49 \ncompletely I said save your lives save your sovereignty save your territ ory be\n44:55\nneutral don't listen to the Americans I repeated to them th e famous\n45:01\nadage of Henry Kissinger that to be an enemy of the Unite d States is dangerous\n45:07\nbut to be a friend is fatal okay so let me r epeat that for\n45:13\nEurope to be an enemy of the United States is dange rous but to be a friend\n45:18\nis fatal so let me now finalize a few word s\nDonald Trump\n45:26\nabout Trump\n45:31\nTrump does not want the losing hand this is\n45:38\nwhy it is more likely than not this war will end bec ause Trump and President Putin\n45:47\nwill agree to end the war if Europe does all its great\n45:54\nwarmongering it doesn't matter the war is endi ng so get it out of your\n46:02\nsystem please tell your colleagues it's\n 46:07\nover and it's over because Trump doesn't want to carry a\n46:14\nlo ser that's it it's not some great morality he doesn't want to carry a\n46: 21\nloser this is a loser the one that will be saved by the\n46:26\nnegoti iations taking place right now is Ukraine second is Europe your stock\n46 :33\nmarkets rising in recent Days by the horrible news of negotiations I know\n46:40\nthis has been met with the sheer Horror in these Chambers but this is the best\n46:47\nnews that you could get now I encouraged they do n't listen to me but I\n46:55\ntried to reach out to some of the European leaders most don't want to hear\n47:00\nanything from me at all but I said don't go to\n47:08\nKiev go to Moscow discuss with your\n47:13\ncounterpa rts are you kidding you're Europe you're 450 million people your $\n47:19\ n20 trillion economy you should be the main economic\n47:25\nTrading partn er of Russia it's natural\n47:31\nlinks by the way if anyone would like to discuss how the US blew up nordstream\n47:37\nI'd be happy to talk about\ n47:43\nthat so the Trump Administration is\n47:49\nimperialist at heart i t is a great\n47:55\npowers dominate the world it is we will do what we wa nt when\n48:01\nwe can we will be better than a\n48:08\nccent Biden and we 'll cut our losses where we have\n48:14\nto there are several war zones in the world the Middle East being another we\n48:20\ndon't know what will h appen with that again if Europe had a proper policy you\n48:26\ncould stop that war I'll explain how but war with China is also a\n48:36\npossibilit y so I'm not saying that we're at the new age of\n48:42\nPeace but we are in a uh very uh different kind of politics\n48:51\nright now and Europe sh ould have a foreign policy and not just a foreign policy of\n48:59\nrussop hobia a foreign policy that is a realistic foreign policy that\n49:04\nund erstands Russia's situation that understands Europe's situation that under stands what America is and what it\n49:10\nstands for that tries to avoid Europe being invaded by the\n49:17\nUnited States because it's not impossi ble that\n49:23\nAmerica will just land troops in Danish territory\n49:28\ nI'm not joking and I don't think they're joking and Europe needs a foreig n policy\n49:35\na real one not a yes we'll bargain with\n49:41\nMr Trump and meet him halfway you know what that will be like\n49:47\ngive me a cal l afterwards please don't have American\n49:55\nofficials as head of Europ e have European officials\n50:02\nplease have a European foreign policy yo u're going to be living with\n50:07\nRussia for a long time so please nego tiate with\n50:12\nRussia there are real security issues on the table but the bombast and the\n50:21\nrussophobia is not serving your security at al l it's not serving you security at\n50:27\nall and contributed to a millio n casualties in Ukraine from this idiotic\n50:34\nAmerican Adventure that you signed on to and then became the lead cheerleaders\n50:40\nof solves\n Middle East\n50:45\nnothing on the Middle East by the way the\n50:51\nUS c ompletely handed over foreign policy to Netanyahu 30 years ago ago the Isr ael\n50:58\nLobby dominates American politics just have no doubt about it I could explain\n51:06\nfor hours how it works it's very dangerous I'm hop ing that Trump will not\n51:14\ndestroy his administration and worse the P alestinian people because of Netanyahu who I regard\n51:22\nas a war crimi nal uh properly indicted by the\n51:29\nIC and that needs to be told no mo re that there will be a state of Palestine\n51:36\non the borders of the 4 th of June 1967 according to international law as\n51:42\nthe only way for peace it's the only way for Europe to have peace on your borders\n51:50\n with the Middle East is the two-state solution there is only one obst Le t o it\n51:57\nby the way and that is the veto of the United States and the UN Security Council so if you want to have some\n52:04\ninfluence tell the United States Drop The veto you are together with 180 countries\n52:13\ni n the world the only ones that oppose a Palestinian state\n52:19\nare the United States Israel Micronesia naaru\n52:27\npoao Papa guini Mr\n52:32\nM alay and Paraguay so this is a place where Europe\n52:39\ncould have a big influence Europe has gone silent about the jcpoa and\n52:46\nIran netanya hu's greatest dream in life is a war between the United States and\n52:52\ nIran he's not given up and it's not impossible that that would come\n52:5 8\nalso and that's because the US in this regard does not have an independ ent\n53:04\nforeign policy it is run by Israel it's tragic it's amazing by the\n53:12\nway and it could end Trump may say that\n53:18\nhe wants fore ign policy back maybe I'm hoping that it's the case finally let me\nChina\ n53:24\njust say with respect to China China CH is not an enemy China is j ust a success\n53:31\nstory that's why it is viewed by the United States a s an enemy because China\n53:38\nis a bigger economy than the United State s that's\n53:46\n[Applause]\n53:55\nall there\n54:01\n[Applause]\n54:07\nt hanks very well now questions please don't make any\n54:12\nstatements jus t make questions because we are too many and we we don't have\n54:18\nthat all that much time so um where do I start I start with on the left side I \n54:25\nhave a preference to left as you know you come all yeah go ahead uh thank you Jeffrey\n54:32\nSak uh from the Czech Republic we are glad we have you here uh we have a problem uh we were cursed by a witch who\nEuro pe-Russia Relations\n54:39\nuh told the EU and the EU is marked uh so uh i t won't be improved until\n54:46\n2029 but what we the central Europeans s hould do in the meantime especially if\n54:52\nthe Germans doesn't don't h appen to vote for SAR enough uh are we supposed to create some\n55:00\nkin d of neutrality for the Central Europe or what would you suggest us to do\ n55:08\nyeah so uh first of all uh all my\n55:13\ngrandchildren are Czech I want you to know uh and Sonia is a Czech born and\n55:20\nCzech citizen um so we're very proud uh I'm I'm the trailing spouse in this but\n55:26\n I'm a check wannabe\n55:34\num Europe needs to have a foreign policy that is a European foreign policy and it\n55:41\nneeds to be a realist foreign policy realist is not hate realist is actually\n55:48\ntrying to understan d both sides and to negotiate there are two kinds of\n55:54\nrealists a de fensive realist an offensive realist uh my dear friend John\n56:00\nmimer who is the offensive realist I I we're very close friends and I love him\n 56:06\nbut I believe more than he does you talk to the other side and you find a way to\n56:12\nmake uh an understanding and so basically\n56:21\nuh Russia is not going to invade Europe this is the fundamental point it may get\n56:29\nup to the deeper River it's not going to invade Europe\n56:35 \nbut there are real issues the the main issue for Russia was\n56:42\nthe United States because Russia as a major power and a the largest nuclear\n5 6:50\npower in the world was profoundly concerned about us unipolarity\n56 :56\nfrom the beginning now that this is seemingly possibly ending Europe has to open\n57:04\nnegotiations directly with Russia as well because the United States will quickly lose interest and you're going\n57:11\nto be li ving with Russia for the next thousands of years okay so what do you want you want\n57:20\nto make sure that the Baltic states are secure the best t hing for the Baltic\n57:25\nstates is to stop their russophobia this is th e most important\n57:33\nthing Estonia has about 25% Russian citizens Russ ian speaking citizens\n57:39\nethnic Russians Lota the\n57:45\nsame don't provoke the neighbor that's\n57:52\nall this is not hard it really isn't H ur and again I\n57:59\nwant to explain my point of view I have helped thes e countries the\n58:05\nones I'm talking about trying to advise I'm not th eir enemy I'm not Putin's puppet I'm not Putin's\n58:12\napologist I worke d in Estonia they gave me I don't it's not I think it's the\n58:19\nsecond highest civilian honor that a president of Estonia can bestow on a\n58:24 \nnon-national because I designed their currency system for them in\n58:31 \n1992 so I'm giving them advice do not stand there Estonia and say we wan t to\n58:37\nbreak up Russia are you kidding don't this is not how to surv ive in this\n58:46\nworld you survive with mutual respect\n58:52\nactually you survive in negotiation you survive in discussion you don't\n58:59\nOu tlaw the Russian language not a good idea when 25% of\n59:05\nyour populat ion is has a first language of Russian it's not right even if there\n59:12 \nweren't a giant On the Border it wouldn't be the right thing to do you'd \n59:18\nhave it as an official language you'd have a language of a in low er school you\n59:24\nwouldn't antagonize the Russian Orthodox church so b asically we need to behave\n59:31\nlike grown-ups and when I constantly\n5 9:38\nsay that they're acting like children Sonia always says to me that's unfair to\n59:46\nchildren because this is worse than children we have a six-year-old\n59:52\ngranddaughter and a three-year-old grandson and they actually make up with their\n1:00:00\nfriends and we don't tell them go ju st just ridicule them tomorrow and every\n1:00:08\nday we say go give them a hug and go\n1:00:13\nplay and they do this is not\n1:00:19\nhard by the way well anyway I won't be labor the point Thank you so elect the\n1:00:2 5\nnew I should say all I should say is change change\n1:00:31\npolicy I d on't want to have a political leaning here yeah maybe a lady and does that work yeah hi my name\n1:00:39\nis Cara I'm a reporter with the Brussels t imes um thank you for the fascinating talk Jeffrey um I just wanted to ask you\nNATO 5% Defence Spending\n1:00:45\nabout Trump's statements about wa nting uh NATO members to increase their spending by 5% and we're now seein g lots\n1:00:51\nof countries scrambling to prove that they're going to do that including Belgium and given that Belgium is also\n1:00:56\nthe NATO headquarters um I wanted to ask you what would be the appropriate response to those statements by NATO\n1:01:02\nmembers thanks great thank you uh w e don't see exactly eye eye on this\n1:01:08\nquestion so let me let me gi ve you my own uh my own view\n1:01:14\num my first recommendation with all respect to Brussels is move the NATO\n1:01:20\nheadquarters somewhere els e uh I I mean it's seriously because one\n1:01:28\nof the worst parts of E uropean policy right now is a complete\n1:01:34\nconfusion of Europe and N ATO these are completely different but\n1:01:39\nthey became exactly the s ame Europe is much better than\n1:01:46\nnato in my opinion NATO isn't eve n needed anymore I would have ended it in\n1:01:54\n1991 but because the U S viewed it as a\n1:01:59\ninstrument of aemy not as a defense against Rus sia it\n1:02:04\ncontinued afterwards but the confusion of NATO and Europe is\n1:02:12\ndeadly because expanding Europe meant expanding NATO period and these should have been\n1:02:20\ncompletely different things so this i s uh the first point\n1:02:27\nmy own view again with all respect to Micha el we only had a brief conversation\n1:02:32\nabout it is that Europe shou ld have Europe basically should have its own\n1:02:38\nforeign policy and its own uh its own military security its own\n1:02:45\nstrategic autonomy so-called and it should I'm in favor of that I would disband NATO and mayb e Trump is going to\n1:02:53\ndo it anyway maybe Trump's going to invade G reenland who knows then you're really\n1:02:59\ngoing to find out what NAT O means\n1:03:04\nso I do think that Europe should invest in its\n1:03:09\ nsecurity 5% is outlandish ridiculous\n1:03:16\nabsurd completely absurd n o one needs to spend anything like that\n1:03:23\namount 2 to 3% of GDP pr obably under the current\n1:03:30\ncircumstances what I would do by the wa y is by European\n1:03:38\nproduction because actually strangely\n1:03:43\ nweirdly unfortunately in this world and it's a true truism but it's unfor tunate\n1:03:51\nso I'm not championing it a lot of technological Innovati on spins off from\n1:03:59\nthe military sector because governments invest in the military\n1:04:04\nsector so Trump is a arms salesman you\n1:04:10 \nunderstand that he's selling American\n1:04:16\nArms he is selling Ameri can Technology Vance told you a few days ago\n1:04:23\ndon't even think ab out having your own AI\n1:04:28\ntechnology so please understand that this increase of\n1:04:34\nspending is for the United States not for\n1:04:40\ nyou and in this sense I'm completely against that approach but I would no t be against an\n1:04:47\napproach of Europe spending two to three% of GDP for a unified European\n1:04:54\nsecurity structure and invested in Europ e and European\n1:05:00\ntechnology and not having the United States dicta te the use of European\n1:05:07\ntechnology it's so interesting it's the N etherlands that produces the only\n1:05:12\nMachines of advanced semicondu ctors extreme ultraviolet\n1:05:19\nlithography it's asml but America dete rmines every policy of asml\n1:05:26\nthe Netherlands doesn't even have a footnote I wouldn't do that if I were\n1:05:32\nyou hand over all security to the United States I wouldn't do it I would have\n1:05:39\nyour own sec urity framework so you can have your own foreign policy framework\n1:05:45 \nas well Europe stands for lots of things that the United States does not stand\n1:05:51\nfor Europe stands for climate action by the way rightly s o because our\n1:05:57\npresident is completely Bonkers on this and Europe stands for\n1:06:04\nindecency for social democracy as an ethos I'm not t alking about a party I'm\n1:06:10\ntalking about an ethos of how equality of Life\n1:06:16\noccurs Europe stands for multilateralism Europe stands f or the UN\n1:06:21\nCharter the US stands for none of those things you kno w that our secretary of state Marco Rubio\n1:06:30\ncancelled his trip to South Africa because on the agenda was equality and\n1:06:38\nsustainabili ty and he said I'm not getting into that that is an honest reflection of\n 1:06:46\ndeep anglosaxon\n1:06:51\nlibertarianism egalitarianism is not a word of the American\n1:06:57\nlexicon sustainable development not at all you probably know by the way that of\n1:07:04\nthe 193 UN member states\n1 :07:10\n191 have had sdg plans presented as voluntary National reviews\n1: 07:17\n191 two have not Haiti and the United\n1:07:22\nStates of America t he the Biden Administration wasn't even allowed to say sustainable\n1:07:2 9\ndevelopment goals the treasury had a policy not to say sustainable\n1:0 7:34\ndevelopment goals okay I mention all of this because you need your o wn foreign\n1:07:41\npolicy I issue a report two reports each year one the world happiness report and\n1:07:48\n18 of the top 20 countries if I I re member correctly are European this is\n1:07:53\nthe highest quality of lif e in the world so you need your own policy to\n1:07:59\nprotect that quali ty of life the United States ranks way\n1:08:05\ndown and the other report where's my colleague Gom is somewhere in the room\n1:08:10\nhere there he is Gom La foron is the lead author of our annual sustainable\n1:08:16\nde velopment report and almost all of the top 20 countries are European count ries\n1:08:23\nbecause you believe in this stuff and that's why you're the happiest except in\n1:08:32\ngeopolitics but quality of life so you need your\n1:08:37\nown foreign policy but you won't have it unless you have yo ur own security you\n1:08:42\njust won't and so and by the way 27 countrie s cannot each have their own\n1:08:49\nforeign policy this is a problem yo u need a European foreign policy and and a\n1:08:55\nEuropean security str ucture and by the way although Michael assures me it's dead I was the grea test fan of\n1:09:04\nosce and believe that occe is the proper framework f or European security it could\n1:09:11\nreally work okay and um afterwards first thank\n1:09:19\nyou thank you very much you at the lunch no you can yeah yeah okay uh well uh thank you Professor I'm from Slovakia\n1:09:26\ nand my prime minister Robert fito was almost shot dead because the opinio ns you had the similar with him uh yes we\n1:09:34\nare as a Slovakia Slov ak government of the few countries in the European Union we are talking to Russians uh two months\n1:09:41\nago I was talking with Mr medv uh in two weeks I will be talking uh in Duma with\n1:09:47\nMr slutzki who is the c hairman of the Russian uh foreign affairs Committee in uh Moscow maybe my question is what\n2025 Peace Negotiations\n1:09:54\nwould you be your mess age to Russians in this moment because as I heard they are on\n1:10:00\nth e Victorious wave they have no reason to not to conquer the dbas because t hat's their War aim and what can Trump\n1:10:07\nuh can offer to them uh t o stop the war immediately what would be what would be\n1:10:13\nthe messa ge for Russians from your side thank you very\n1:10:20\nmuch lots of uh im portant things are uh now on offer and on the table and I\n1:10:27\nbeliev e that the war will end quickly because of this and this this will be at\n 1:10:34\nleast one blessing in a very uh very difficult time exactly what the\n1:10:40\nsettlement will be I think uh is now only a question of the territorial\n1:10:47\nissues uh and that is whether it is the complete fou r OAS including all of Heron\n1:10:55\nand upper Asia or whether it is on the contact line and how all of this will be\n1:11:01\nnegotiated I'm not in the room of the negotiations so I can't really say more\n1:11:07\nbut t he basis will be there will be territorial concessions there will be\n1:11 :14\nneutrality there will be security guarantees for Ukraine for all part ies\n1:11:20\nuh there will be at least with the US an end of the economic sanction\n1:11:26\nbut what counts of course is Europe and Russia I think that there are and maybe\n1:11:33\nthere will be a restoration of nuclear arms uh negotiations which would be\n1:11:40\nextraordinarily positive I think that there are tremendously important issues for\n1:11:48\nEurope to negotiate directly with Russia\n1:11:53\nand so I would urge uh president Costa and the leadership of Europe to open\n1:12:01\ndirect discussions w ith President Putin because European security is on the\n1:12:08\ntable I know the Russian leaders many of them quite well uh they are good\n1:12:17 \nnegotiators and uh you should negotiate with them uh and you should nego tiate\n1:12:23\nwell with them uh I would ask them some questions uh I\n1: 12:30\nwould ask them what are the security guarantees that can work so th at this\n1:12:36\nwar ends permanently what are the security guarantees fo r the Baltic states what\n1:12:43\nshould be done part of the process of n egotiation is actually to ask the other\n1:12:48\nside about your concerns not just to know what they know as you think is to\n1:12:55\ntrue but act ually to ask we have a real problem we have a real worry what are\n1:13:01 \nthe guarantees well I want to know the answers also uh by the way I know Mr\n1:13:07\nlavro Minister lavro for 30 years I I regard him as a brilli ant foreign minister uh talk with him negotiate with\n1:13:16\nhim get ide as put ideas on the table put counter ideas on the table I don't think\n1: 13:22\nall of this can be settled by pure reason because uh of oneself you settle\n1:13:30\nWars by negotiating and understanding what are the real issues and you don't\n1:13:36\ncall the other side a liar when they expres s their issues you work out what\n1:13:42\nthe implications of that are fo r the mutual benefit of Peace So the most\n1:13:50\nimportant thing is sto p the yelling stop the war mongering and discuss with the\n1:13:58\nRussia n counterparts and don't beg to be at the table with the United States you \n1:14:04\ndon't need to be in the room with the United States you're Euro pe you should be in the room with Europe and\n1:14:11\nRussia if the Unite d States wants to join that's fine but to beg no and by the\n1:14:19\nway Europe does not need to have Ukraine in the room when Europe talks with\n1 :14:27\nRussia you have a lot of issues direct issues don't hand over your foreign\n1:14:34\npolicy to anybody not to the United States not to Ukrai ne not to\n1:14:40\nIsrael keep a European foreign policy this is the basi c idea\n1:14:49\n[Applause]\n1:14:55\nHans noof from the sovereignist poli tical group in this Parliament um alternative for Germany as political\n1: 15:02\nparty first of all let me thank you Mr Sax for being here and shari ng your ideas with us and be assured that many\n1:15:10\nof your ideas and of your colleague John mimer have well been received by\n1:15:16\npolitic al groups here and have been integrated into our agenda I widely\nBeginnin g of NATO Expansion\n1:15:21\nshare your views um yet there's one question regarding the historical\n1:15:27\naccount that you gave uh where I would like to go in some detail and This concerns the beginning of NATO expansi on\n1:15:36\num you um uh uh reported from uh um the\n1:15:42\nwebsite um what gorbachov heard that there are many um quotations from Ganser\n1:15:4 8\nfor example um that NATO will not move one inch eastwards now the two f or\n1:15:55\ntreaty has been signed in September 1990 right in Moscow so a t that point in time\n1:16:02\nthe waro PCT still existed and countries li ke Poland Hungary and czechia were not part of the\n1:16:10\nnegotiations for the two and four treaty so The wara Pact actually dissolved in\n1:16:1 6\nJuly 1991 and the Soviet Union dissolved in December\n1:16:21\n1991 so nobody who was was present in the negotiations could speak for Poland\n1:1 6:28\ncould speak for Hungary could speak for Slovakia that they would not try to become member of NATO once the overall\n1:16:37\nsituation has cha nged so the counterargument um which we have to\n1:16:42\ncounter um is th at it was on the will of these countries of Poland of Hungary of\n1:16:50\ nSlovakia that they wanted to join NATO because of the very hist\n1:16:55\ nthey had with the Soviet Union and of course Russia was still perceived i n a\n1:17:00\nway um as a follower of the Soviet Union so how do you count er that\n1:17:12\nargument I have no doubt of why Hungary Poland Czech Rep ublic Slovakia wanted to\n1:17:21\njoin NATO the question is what is the U S\n1:17:27\ndoing to make peace because NATO is not a choice of Hungary Po land Czech\n1:17:34\nRepublic or Slovakia NATO is a us-led military Allian ce and the question is\n1:17:42\nhow are we going to establish peace in a reliable way if I were uh making those decisions\n1:17:52\nback then I wou ld have ended NATO nato altoe in\n1:17:58\n1991 when those countries reque sted NATO I would have explain to them what our\n1:18:05\ndefense secretar y William Perry said what our lead Statesman George Kenan\n1:18:11\nsaid w hat our final ambassador to the Soviet Union Jack Matlock said uh they\n1: 18:18\nsaid well we understand your feelings but it's not a good idea beca use it could provoke a new cold war with Russia\n1:18:26\nso that's how I would have answered it when those countries joined uh in the\n1:18:32\nfir st wave I don't think it was that consequential in fact except that it was \n1:18:40\npart of a bigger project and the project was spelled out alread y in 1994 there's\n1:18:46\na very good book by Jonathan Haslam Harvard Un iversity press called hubris\n1:18:54\nwhich uh gives a detailed historica l documentation of step by step what\n1:19:00\nhappened uh and uh it's it' s really worth reading um so this is a now but\n1:19:08\nthe point I would really make is that Ukraine and Georgia were too\n1:19:16\nfar this is ri ght up against Russia this is in the context of the\n1:19:23\ncomplete des t ization of the nuclear framework this is in the context of the\n1:19:29\ nUS putting in missile systems on Russia's borders if you listen to\n1:19: 34\nPresident Putin over the years probably the main thing if you\n1:19:39 \nlisten carefully that he's concerned about is missiles 7 minutes from Mo scow\n1:19:45\nis a decapitation strike and this is very real the US Not\n 1:19:51\nonly would freak out but did freak out when this happened in the Western\n1:19:57\nHemisphere so it's the Cuban Missile Crisis in reverse a nd fortunately Nikita kushev\n1:20:06\ndid not stand up and say open door policy of the Warsaw Pact we can go\n1:20:13\nwherever we want Cuba's aske d us it's none of America's business what kushev said Is War my God\n1:20: 21\nwe don't want war we end this crisis we both pull back that's what kus hev and\n1:20:27\nKennedy decided in the end so this is the real consequen tial Russia even\n1:20:34\nswallowed with a lot of pain the Baltic states Romania Bulgaria Slovakia and\n1:20:40\nSlovenia it is Ukraine and Georgia and it's because of geography it's because\n1:20:48\nof Lord Palmerston i t's because of the first Crimean War it's because of the\n1:20:53\nmissile systems that this is the essence of why there was this\n1:21:03\n[Applaus e] war um yeah is there anybody else\n1:21:10\nbecause then we maybe close what you want to be the last one oh which one\n1:21:19\noh can can we sti ll continue yeah no you you come for the lunch don't take\n1:21:25\nyou th ank thank you very much Professor sax for coming um here um you've\nHow to achieve a real European Foreign Policy\n1:21:31\nmentioned that the Europ ean Union needs to formulate its own foreign policy um in the past the Ger man Franco Alliance\n1:21:38\nwas a big driver for for those policies now with the Ukraine war arguably that\n1:21:44\nreceived the crack um do you think that in the future when the European Union is going to formulate thi s new foreign\n1:21:49\npolicy that they are going to be again in the fron t seat or uh should it be other other countries or other blocks um\n1:21:5 6\ntrying to make that change thank you very much oh it's hard it it's har d because\n1:22:08\nuh of course you don't yet have a a constitution for E urope which really\n1:22:16\nunderpins a European foreign policy and it ca n't be by\n1:22:22\nunanimity there has to be a structure in which Europe can speak as Europe even\n1:22:28\nwith some uh dissent but with the Europ ean policy I don't want to\n1:22:35\noversimplify how to get there exactly but even with the structures you have\n1:22:40\nyou could do a lot better with negotiating directly the first rule is\n1:22:47\nyour diplomats shou ld be diplomats not secretaries of War\n1:22:58\nhonestly that would go ha lfway at least to where you want to\n1:23:04\ngo a diplomat is a very spec ial kind of\n1:23:09\ntalent a diplomat is trained to sit together with th e other side and to\n1:23:16\nlisten to shake hands to smile and to be ple asant it's very hard it's a skill\n1:23:25\nit's training it's a professio n it's not a\n1:23:31\ngame you need that kind of\n1:23:37\ndiplomacy I'm sorry we are not hearing anything like\n1:23:45\nthat I'll just make a cou ple complaints first Europe is not NATO as I\n1:23:53\nsaid I thought stol tenberg was the worst but I was\n1:24:00\nwrong it just keeps getting wors e could someone in NATO stop\n1:24:08\ntalking for God's sake about more\n 1:24:14\nwar and could NATO stop speaking for Europe and Europe stop think ing it's\n1:24:21\nNATO this is the first absolute Point second I'm sorry but your high\n1:24:28\nrepresentative vice presidents need to become\n1:2 4:35\ndiplomats diplomacy means going to Moscow inviting your Russian coun terpart\n1:24:45\nhere discussing this doesn't happen till\n1:24:52\nnow s o this is really my point now\n1:24:59\nI believe that Europe should becom e more integrated and more unified in the years\n1:25:06\nahead I'm a stro ng believer in subsidiarity so we were discussing I\n1:25:13\ndon't think housing policy is really Europe's main issue I think this can be\n1:25:19\ nhandled at the local level or at the national level I don't see it as a E uropean issue but I don't see foreign\n1:25:26\npolicy as being a 27 count ry issue I see it being as a European issue and I see\n1:25:33\nsecurity b eing at a European level so I think things need to be readjusted but\n1:25 :39\nI'd like to see more Europe for truly European issues and maybe less Europe\n1:25:45\nfor things that are properly subsidiary to Europe at the national and the local\n1:25:50\nlevel and I hope that uh such an Evolutio n can take place you know when\n1:25:56\nthe world talks about great Power s right now they talk about us Russia China I\n1:26:04\ninclude India and I really want to include Europe and I really want to\n1:26:10\ninclude Afr ica as an African Union and I want that to happen but\n1:26:17\nyou'll not ice on the list Europe doesn't show up right now and this is because there is no European foreign policy\n1:26:28\nokay you maybe after you one more then we when I close is there is there\n1:26:33\nanybody wanted I would p refer a woman actually if I'm there you you you wanted\n1:26:40\nno first first this gentlemen and then you close okay sorry for this one it's\n1:26 :46\na thank you very much and thank you very much Professor for this very courageous speech very clear speech also that you\n1:26:52\nmade I'm an M EP from Luxemburg uh my question is the following what are the long-term\n 1:26:58\nconsequences of this lost War we lost the war now we have an unce rtain future for NATO we have also clearly and you\n1:27:06\nrefer to it t he marginalization of Europe we have um a strengthening of the\n1:27:11\nb ricks countries which can be rivals in many uh respects so will there be a \n1:27:17\nfuture for a collective West over the next 20 or 30 years thank you very much\n1:27:26\nI I don't believe there is a collective West uh I believe that there is a United\n1:27:32\nStates and Europe that are uh in some\n1:27:37\nareas uh in parallel interests and in many areas not in pa rallel\n1:27:43\ninterest I I want Europe to lead uh sustainable\nThe Futu re of the West\n1:27:51\ndevelopment climate transformation Global\n1:27:5 6\ndecency I believe if the world world looked more like Europe it' be a h appier\n1:28:03\nmore peaceful safer world and long longevity and better f ood by the way uh\n1:28:11\nbut uh just saying um in any event Europe has a vocation that is\n1:28:17\nrather different from the American tradition and frankly from the angloa\n1:28:24\ntradition because it's been 200 year s of anglo-saxon hegemony or aspirational\n1:28:31\nhegemony the British s till believe they run the world it's amazing what\n1:28:36\nnostalgia mean s uh they don't even stop\n1:28:42\nit's almost like a Monty Python skit a ctually uh but in any event\n1:28:49\num where was I I'm thinking of Monty Python when uh\n1:28:54\nwhen the Knight gets all his limbs cut off and s ays everything's fine I'm Victorious that's Britain unfortunately\n1:29:01 \nuh and so it's uh it's it's really terrible so no I don't believe in the \n1:29:07\ncollective West I don't believe in the global South uh I don't believe in uh I\n1:29:13\nall these geographies don't even make sense beca use I'm actually you know I look at Maps a lot and the global South\n1:29: 20\nis mostly in the North and the West is not even West uh and so I don't even\n1:29:26\nunderstand what this is about I do believe that um we coul d be in a true\n1:29:36\nage of abundance if we got our heads on straight we're in the biggest\n1:29:43\ntechnological advance in human history it's truly amazing what can be done\n1:29:50\nright now you know I Marvel at t he fact that that somebody who knows no\n1:29:56\nchemistry won the Nobel Peace Prize for chemistry because he's very good at Deep\n1:30:03\nneural networks a genius Demis hbus\n1:30:09\num they figured out protein folding uh that uh generations of biochemists spent\n1:30:16\ntheir whole lives o n and now U Deep Mind figured out how to do it U you know uh\n1:30:24\nby the thousands of proteins we have friends that spent their entire life on one protein brilliant friends and uh now\n1:30:32\nwhat we can do so if ac tually and same with renewable energy as everybody knows\n1:30:38\nthe pri ces come down by more than two orders of magnitude the costs we could\n1:3 0:45\ntransform the planet we could protect the climate system we could pr otect biodiversity we could ensure every child\n1:30:52\ngets a good educa tion we could do so many wonderful things right now and so\n1:30:58\nwhat do we need to do that in my view we need peace most importantly and my bas ic\n1:31:06\npoint is there are no deep reasons for conflict\n1:31:11\nany where as every conflict I study is just a mistake it's not we are not\n1:3 1:19\nstruggling for laon's real that idea that came from Mal\n1:31:24\nan d it became a Nazi idea was always a wrong idea it was a mistake a\n1:31:3 1\nfundamental intellectual mistake an intellectual Mistake by the\n1:31:3 7\nway cuz leading scientists adopted the idea that we had race Wars we ha d\n1:31:42\nNational Wars we had Wars of survival because we don't have en ough on the planet as an economist I can tell you we\n1:31:50\nhave plenty on the planet for everybody's development plenty we're not in a conflict with\n1:31:57\nChina we're not in a conflict with Russia if we calm\n1:32: 04\ndown if you ask about the long term the long term is very good thank y ou the\n1:32:11\nlong term if we don't blow ourselves up is very good and so this is what we\n1:32:18\nshould aim for a positive shared Vision under International\n1:32:24\nlaw because of our technology things operate at a regional scale now it used\n1:32:30\nto be it was Villages then it was a it was small areas then it was unification\n1:32:36\nof countries now it's regional that's not just because regions are wonderful\n1:32:42\nit's bec ause the underlying technological reality say Europe should be an integrat ed area by transport by\n1:32:49\nfast rail by digital by and so there's E urope the politics follows the\n1:32:55\ntechnological realities to a very important extent we're in a world of regions\n1:33:00\nnow so Europe shou ld be Europe with subsidiarity don't lose all of the\n1:33:08\nwonderful w onderful national and local elements but Europe should be Europe so\n1:33: 16\nthe good side is let's I want Europe to have diplomacy for example wit h Assan I\n1:33:22\nspend a lot of time with the aan countries if the the EU green deal wonderful\n1:33:31\nidea I said many years ago okay to the A ssan leaders make an Assan green deal\n1:33:39\nand then talk with the Eur opeans so that you have this uh wonderful relationship\n1:33:45\ntrade inv estment technology so last year they announced an aan green deal what\n1:3 3:51\ndid Europe do about it nothing it said sorry we're in the Ukraine wa r thank you no interest so this is my\n1:34:01\npoint the prospects are ve ry positive if we construct the\n1:34:08\npiece [Applause] yeah because we have to go I get all the\n1:34:16\ntime messages that I should here leave the room can you something very short yeah\n1:34:23\num do you think that a way out of the conflict is some kind of style of\nFinlandization\n1:34: 28\nfinlandization um and then like is that what you would have sorry yeah is that what you would have lik to see like\n1:34:35\nSweden and finland' s foreign policy as an example like is that instead of them becoming membe rs of NATO is that the way\n1:34:42\nthat you would have likeed to see the se countries handled out foreign policy um and do you think that these cou ntries\n1:34:49\nthat border Russia should just kind of succumb to their f ate that okay we can't provoke Russia like this is the way we\n1:34:54\nha ve to live yeah very good excellent question and let me let me just report \n1:35:03\none uh part about finlandization finlandization landed Finland number one in the world\n1:35:11\nhappiness report year after year Rich su ccessful happy and secure that's\n1:35:21\nprenado so finlandization was a wonderful thing number one in the world\n1:35:28\nwhen Sweden and Finland and Austria were neutral Bravo smart when Ukraine was\n1:35:36\nneutral s mart if you have two superpowers keep them apart a little bit\n1:35:42\nyo u don't have to be right with your nose up against each other especially i f one of them the US is pushing its nose\n1:35:49\ninto the other one and so finlandization\n1:35:55\nto my mind has a very positive connotation so does Austrian\n1:36:00\nisation Austria 1955 signed its uh\n1:36:06\nneutr ality the Soviet Army left and Austria is a wonderful place by the way\n1: 36:12\nabsolutely wonderful and so this is uh basic how to avoid conflict if the\n1:36:19\nUnited States had any sense at all it would have left the se countries as a neutral space in between the US Military\n1:36:29\nand R ussia but that's where the US lost it thank you very much let\n1:36:35\n[A pplause] me I I just want to end with an appeal I\n1:36:42\nthink we both agree that we will have a the war will end within a month or two\n1:36:49\ nand that means the fighting will end it doesn't mean that we will have pe ace in Europe the peace in Europe that has to\n1:36:54\nbe done by us by E uropeans not by a president from the United States we have to create this peace and that is Europe\n1:37:01\nwhich includes of course Belarus Russia and all these other countries so we have to do something and we are here at\n1:37:08\nParliament as a parliamentarians we represent people we are t he only legitimate democratically legitimate\n1:37:14\ninstitution in the European Union maybe we should have become all a little bit more proactive in trying to move this\n1:37:22\npeace process forward cross party lines I think I don't know how many parties here really are but that we can talk to\n1:37:27\neach other without saying ah you're from this party you're f rom this party I think we really have to concentrate if\n1:37:33\nhere we could not take more initiative from the parliament Visa V the commission a nd saying we are presenting\n1:37:40\nthe people not you we are presenting the people and these people in Europe want peace and that's what we shoul d go so\n1:37:46\nmaybe this is the beginning of one we will make every mo nth I will organize with my colleagues an or the same thing\n1:37:53\nhere about different topics which were all around it and we hope that this one we get a discussion that is different\n1:37:59\nwhat we have in the plenu m where we basically don't have a discussion but that we have a discussion and also\n1:38:04\nacross the party and invite also people from other pol itical parties we don't bite anybody let's discuss it in the end\n1:38:11\ nwe want all want this the same peace for the next generation and I have p lenty of children grandchildren you too and\n1:38:17\nthat's what we need okay thank you very much professor [Applause] [Music]\n1:38:23\n[Applause] [Music]\n1:38:33\nyou\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20250426 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR