BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 4.7.23//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMWorkCalendar NAME:RMWorkCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:http://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Interpretations of the Black experience aren't divisive or m ultivisive but honest DTSTAMP:20250812T160942Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:454-5-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":troy@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n All human populations in humanity have the problem of gro ups inside said populations having dissimilar interpretations of the past. The black populace in the usa\, second only to the first peoples of the u sa \, have a very hard time with this\, and it is expected. It isn't easy coming to a consensus when you are dominated by another people or have dif fering views on moving forward. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n MY COMMENT\n\n\n\n   \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n   On 8/3/2025 at 8:29 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n\n I don't believe they TRULY want a \"Whites Only\" nation or even ci ty.\n\n Then who would they have to oppress and look down upon?\n\n\n\n   \n\n\n\n Most wise and elite White people know that for racism to really w ork you need atleast 2 races in the environment.\n\n One to rule and the o ther to subjugate.\n\n You take away the people of color\, soon you'll hav e a situation like Nazi Germany or Russia/Ukraine where you have White fol ks just warring against eachother ove who's the \"whitest\".\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n   On 8/4/2025 at 2:02 AM\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n White folks NE ED Black people for sex\, artistic Creativity\, cheap labor\, ect..\n\n\n\ n All this talk of separation and \"Whites only\" is usually coming from s ome jealous poor White trailer trash who is insecure about having his sist er or mother or daughter around Black men\, lol.\n\n\n\n HE ain't got shit and don't mind living separate from Black people...unless he finds some d umb ass Black woman who loves him and then HE forgets all about it\, lol.\ n\n  \n\n\n\n But the wealthy elitist Whites do NOT want us living separa tely from them.\n\n They know better.\n\n They want to live with and near us\, they just want to be ON TOP.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Well\, you suggested a number of things to others I ponder to. \n\n\n\n First you s uggest you believe\, you are not certain\, of the majority philosophy of w hites in the usa. And that is fine\, no one can know the future. If you ar e correct then your following stratagems hold wisdom BUT if your wrong\, i t can spell the greatest disaster for black folks in the usa at least. \n \n\n\n Second \, I don't know what determines a white person is wise or el ite\, but your allusion to Nazi Germany is interesting. In NAzi Germany th ere was no problem with whites warring each other. the christian white ger mans put the jewish white germans in camps without much fuss. Modern Media makes it more dramatic than it was for the christian german populace to t errorize the jewish german + other white minorities. I wonder how many whi te jewish germans in germany couldn't believe what would happen in world w ar two after world war one. \n\n\n\n Third\, I am not certain any fiscall y poor people are needed. You assume whites need blacks for their egos or leeching ways but I am not certain of that. \n\n\n\n Fourth\, when you sa y \"usually coming from\" what percentage ? in the Jim Crow era\, by my as sessment most financially wealthy whites were talking separation and white s only. Now you suggest that most fiscally wealthy whites lied about wanti ng blacks separated or away from them to sate fiscally poor whites. While I can't prove or disprove I can definitely say the argument can be made fo r or against that on even footing today or yesterday\, the question is whi ch is the majority and I can't say that can be proven easily. \n\n\n\n   \n\n\n\n @ProfD \n\n\n\n Above explains Pioneer's basis to his thinking. As I always say in this forum. Various black people tend to have philosoph ies that lay the basis to their thinking that other black people have to f irst embrace before they can share their thinking. When Pioneer speaks to anyone else black\, if said black person doesn't believe whites  in major ity want an integration with blacks where whites are superior \, they can' t embrace his larger points\, so you get proselytization or just restating positions over and over as various black people with various beliefs tend to do. My one point about history is humans do change. He uses Nazi Germa ny\, but that is an example of change that was unexpected and yet happened . I think the Schrumpft era presidency is a change presidency\, one all ha ve to live through even if we don't believe. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Now the following is his reply to me straightly and I will reply to him after\n\n\ n\n   On 8/3/2025 at 8:29 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Don't let them.\n\n Fight back.\n\n\n\n Historically\, when we've actively oppo sed racism by whatever means at our disposal...we've won.\n\n\n\n ONLY whe n Black folks psyche themselves out into not fighting back or begin to arg ue with and turn on eachother\, did they lose.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n There ar e not only towns but ENTIRE REGIONS of the United States where it's almost all non-White Latinos and even a few nearly all Asian regions.\n\n They a ren't White....but White folks haven't stopped THEM for grouping together and doing their thing.\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n First\, my knowledge of h istory is lacking\, when have black people in opposing white terrorism in the usa won at the end of the day ? I don't recall. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n S econd to demographics in the usa. In NYC did you know while black people w ere being enslaved to whites\, white asians + white/mulato/mestizo whites were owning business and participating in NYC as free individuals absent h aving to worry about slave catchers. For me white and light asians + latin os are white. I know you see them differently\, but being white for me isn 't about being european or speaking english. I argue that non black latino s + non black asians from the founding of the usa were allowed by white eu ropeans who speak english\, their cousins\,  far more than black people.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Third\, to the answer to my question. \n\n\n\n You already said you feel when black people have actively opposed white terror we have won\, I don't recall that in the united states of america\, thoug h I do recall in the usa many black people fighting in the past. so the on ly question I have left is\, what do you mean by \n\n\n\n Actively Oppose ?\n\n\n\n Please define exactly what you mean by actively oppose and pleas e state an example of this in the usa?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n comment referral \n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11752-whites-only-planned-communities/#fin dComment-75446\n\n\n\n prior point\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/4 32-what-is-the-heritage-of-the-black-descended-of-enslaved-and-what-cultur es-does-it-allow/\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n IN AMENDMENT\n\n\n\n  \n\ n\n\n @Troy \n\n\n\n 7 hours ago\, Troy said:\n\n We will either live in a utopia or dystopia.  The tech will make one of these outcomes possibl e.  I doubt there will be anything in between.\n\n\n\n \n\n  I think th e future will be just like the past\, always in the middle\, some winners some losers\, but most in the middle. In my view\, the technology like all tools in the past and far in the future never lead to the various extreme s people in the past as well as far in the future tout as coming.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n 2 hours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n do you belie ve that White people support a \"white supremist\" system in which they TH INK they are supreme over others?\n\n\n\n \n\n I don't know. That is the w isest plus honest answer to your question. I can state white\, as I define them\, groups acting to the communal benefit of all white people\, someti mes interwoven in time\, but i can also say when white individuals do for their own benefit which harms others including white people. As an enginee r\,  a system of supremacy isn't worth much when it allows the people wh o are supposed to be supreme to be harmed.  Cause being harmed or kill ed  doesn't make one the highest. Do i think many whites think they are better than those not white? yes. but I have been fortunate enough to know various people who think of their particular race based on phenotype or g ender as the best. so I don't know. I know you have things defined in your mind in such a way that you know \, but I don't. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n 2 h ours ago\, Pioneer1 said:\n\n Who said that was how \"I\" defined Whitenes s????\n\n\n\n \n\n even enough I made an ass out myself. I don't know how you think intimately\, nor do I know your mind\, only the trickles that yo u share. Maybe you have the same definition of white is me\, maybe you don 't. but in your statement I quoted\, below some of whom you suggest are no t white I suggest are.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n On 8/12/2025 at 11:54 AM\, richa rdmurray said:\n\n There are not only towns but ENTIRE REGIONS of the Unit ed States where it's almost all non-White Latinos and even a few nearly al l Asian regions.\n\n They aren't White....but White folks haven't stopped THEM for grouping together and doing their thing.\n\n\n\n \n\n  \n\n\n\n And I see. I wonder what frederick douglass/mlk jr/web dubois when younger would say to you. So many black people have followed their teachings and today in the usa black people individually while less so but still in a fe w cases collectively have betterment taking the nonviolent\, integrated st ances those leaders suggested. I am not saying I concur to Douglass or Kin g but I do comprehend that many other black people to adher to that philos ophy which is one of many in the black populace in the usa. so\, I think t hose that share your view Pioneer and you need to come together\, and do s omething to functionalize that energy.\n\n\n\n REFERRAL\n\n\n\n https://aa lbc.com/tc/topic/11752-whites-only-planned-communities/#comment-75484\n\n\ n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20250812 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR