BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 4.7.23//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:http://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Viking Archery Truth Shadversity + Larsanderson23 DTSTAMP:20250920T202859Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:514-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":troy@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n viking aiming early attempts  Shadversity\n\n https://ww w.youtube.com/watch?v=wmGORk9z5zQ\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Lars Anderso n Viking Archery video\n\n short\n\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rii-o WSsU4s\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n long\n\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_UOfqXL3 SM\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n my comment shadversity\n\n\n\n I think you two had good fun with this one. I did learn something. What is clear is\, as the common technique changed over time\, the media interpretation of th e past simply ignored the common technique used in the past. I think that is very interesting. I wonder how many techniques were done differently in various martial arts in the past\, that most people today don't recognize . I do think the run test is the one that really makes the case for this s tyle. You can't run with your arms level to your shoulders faster than you can with your arms parallel to the side of the torso. \nI argue\, Viking archery wasn't weird. It was styled for people who shot while running and close chaotic combat\, which you guys didn't test. \nThe standing style is best for the large armies\, the lines of archers in the roman empire/Ke met empire/Chinese empire. But\, the Rus/Varangians/Vikings/northmen were raiding peoples. The Varangians and Rus and Danes and Normands eventually became kingdoms or empires\, but the raiding by Northmen occurred from tes tament to the muslim governments before during and after the formation of kingdoms by Northmen. My point being\, the Northmen liked to raid\, more t han have a huge standing army and I think it reflects how the structure of organizations like the holy roman empire born from a hybrid roman/northma n culture was a set of principalities fighting themselves raiding\, and th e dissolution of the Carolingian empire after Charlemagne died between his sons who raided each other. Raiding culture allows for an army to be the raiding force but I bet alot of raids not all from northmen were far fewer people\, and not as absolutely devastating to the raided. So that an army was usually more an alliance of raiders/Vikings/pirates than a regimented army under one crown. \nAnyway\, I wish you guys would had made the foll owing test\, on your first attempts with the Viking style. \n Take a thi rty pound bow on the run and try to hit a target middle of the run while r unning\, perpendicular to the path of the run\, and after release keep run ning.\nAnd take a hundred pound bow on the run and try to hit a target mid dle of the run while running\, perpendicular to the path of the run\, and after release keep running. \nThen try the same two run's above but have an option of three targets and randomly select one. I bet the advantage of the lower pound bow or the Viking style will occur. \nWhat I think it wi ll prove is\, while the standing arms up style is better for more poundage standing still in a line of bowfolk or aiming from safe distances to targ ets\, the running style is better suited for a mobility demanded random ob stacle environment where one may be alone at times or using a random arrow and unable to stand and shoot.\nRaiding is war\, but it is another form o f war. Raiding isn't campaigns of one big army against another big army\, raiding can be a group\, attacking a town in another country. In that envi ronment mobility is key. you can't stay and set up camp cause the town wil l get reinforcements that the group can't handle. \n\n\n\n\n \n\n comment url\n\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmGORk9z5zQ&\;lc=Ugz1DcSkrkdKL ciwUdl4AaABAg\n\n\n\n my comment lars Anderson long version\n\n very infor mative thank you. The question I have is about European media. The paintin gs show the truth\, but later on the styles changed. Were people in europe ashamed cause when  I think on the northman method\, I realize \, anyone can see it suits a raiding culture. not really large lines of bowfolk. Ma ybe people in europe descended from vikings were ashamed of the raiding cu lture of the vikings? any thoughts. I can make a modern example. In the US A many white people speak of the earliest and early white european settler s as farmers who just happened to have muskets. Colonial Williamsburg eras es all violent actions to indigenous people of the americas from european settlers and their descendents. It is shame. \n\n https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=g_UOfqXL3SM&\;lc=UgyFbqqi8q-Vw3Cy3sV4AaABAg&\;pp=0gcJCSMANp G00pGi\n\n\n\n good one\, but also add\, the people telling them they were wrong\, never tried to bow while running their fastest in a gauntlet with random targets. \n\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_UOfqXL3SM&\;lc =UgxIPp_NaiJSfa0eO294AaABAg.AMiV_GmzeTwAN7li5gdfT-&\;pp=0gcJCSMANpG00pG i\n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20250920 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR