BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 5.0.18//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:https://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20250330T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20251026T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Economic Corner 24 10/23/2025 DTSTAMP:20251023T233123Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:563-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":noreply@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:\n  \n\n\n\n One is financially wealthy\, always growing fi scal wealth based on arithmetic manipulation plus flexibility supported by the most powerful military in humanity \, but also always needing bailout s. Always too big too fail\, even though it fails a lot. \n\n\n\n The oth er is losing jobs\, losing investment\,has a balooning populace. But hasn' t led to riots\, it is holding on to hope. \n\n\n\n NYC is clearly showin g this. \n\n\n\n Eric Adams a few years ago stated New York City has a bu stling economy\, job growth is unlike ever before. But\, this article admi ts that for ten years in a row\, over one hundred thousand children in New York City were homeless. Now\, out of ten million\, one hundred thousand is one percent. One percent of the cities populace is homeless. That isn't anything to cry doom for\, but every member of said one percent has paren ts who are not financially able to provide better\, which means three perc ent. Again\, no need to cry doom but if the labor market in New York City is so vibrant\, then get the parents of the homeless children jobs. But he re likes the worse part. I know many in New York City who have what will b e called good jobs and they are moving into places because of lotteries. E very single person that gets a lottery can't afford to live in that place on their own financial footing. Then you add adults living with older adul ts\, parents/uncles/et cetera. What is the point? The strategy of building new buildings has never lowered the rent. Freezing the rent doesn't lower the rent. \nMamdani who has the lead to be next mayor of New York City + Cuomo or Sliwa trailing him \, don't have a financial plan that is viable . \nI repeat\, none of the current candidates for the mayor of NYC have a financial plan that is viable for New York City. So whomever wins will on ly be adding on to more financial chaos in New York City. \nIn defense th is was not built today\, it was built in the 1970s. I repeat in the Econom ic Corner\, the following industries in the USA from the 1970s to 2025 com pletely failed at least once\, ledgers were blood red at least once\,  bu t not one of these industries at any time went through the proper financia l result of industrial failure\, which is liquidation and sale of all asse ts to cover debts and market vacuums to filled by others. \nBanking Indus try\nAutomotive Industry\nElectronics Industry\nReal Estate Industry\nDot Com Industry\nBitcoin Industry\nFilm Industry\n\nOffline or online I recal l so many times Black people told me \, concerning a failing or failed Bla ck owned business\, they have to get it together\, they got to learn how t o play the game. \nWhile whole white industries are failing multiple time s and getting friendly loans from the federal government. \nGoldman Sachs failed everybody. That company should be under. The White Jew failed. The Film industry failed\, this is why 20th century fox was bought by Disney while paramount side discovery side warner bros are all looking to be boug ht by a holding firm. That is called failure. \n\nNow some will suggest w hite financial failure is not black financial failure and I argue that get s to the center of my point. Black people in the USA are in an environment \, where we haven't enslaved other human beings or murdered other human be ings to create generational wealth. Black people in the USA are in an envi ronment were we are telling ourselves to have an inhuman financial ability while non Blacks are literally proving themselves to be terrible at busin ess throughout many sectors but have the saving grace of the federal gover nment to bail them out regardless of their financial quality. So then look ing at Black people in the USA who are homeless\, how should they look at the USA? at their situation in the USA? \n\nWhen your black neighbor/elde r who never had the money to financially support you is telling you about having improper work ethics and a lack of intellect \, the non blacks who were born in financial safety or better are destroying entire industries w ith the ultimate safety neck\, backed by the usa military. The word inequa l is not enough for this scaling variance. \n\n\n\n\n\n \n\n URL\n\n http s://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/education/2025/10/17/more-than-150-000-nyc-st udents-were-homeless-during-the-last-school-year\n\n\n\n More than 150\,00 0 NYC students were homeless during last school year\nBY Jillian Jorgensen New York City\nPUBLISHED 6:00 AM ET Oct. 20\, 2025\n\nMore than 154\,000 students were homeless at some point during the last school year\, continu ing a decade-long trend and amounting to one in seven public school studen ts.\n\n“This is the tenth year in a row where over 100\,000 kids were id entified as homeless last school year. This is the first year it was over 150\,000 students experiencing homelessness. These numbers obviously are v ery troubling\,” said Jennifer Pringle\, project director at Advocates f or Children\, which compiles the annual data.\n\nWhat You Need To Know\nFo r the 10th year\, more than 100\,000 students were homeless under the fede ral definition of the word last school year\n\nMore than 65\,000 students spent at least one night during the last school year in a city shelter\n\n Those students face barriers to getting an education\, including difficult y getting to school and high rates of chronic absenteeism\nAmong those stu dents:\n\n65\,000 spent time living in homeless shelters\n82\,000 were dou bled up — sharing someone else’s housing after losing their own \n7\, 000 were living in motels\, hotels or otherwise without stable housing\n “While the city continues to focus on addressing the affordability crisi s\, the homelessness crisis\, we can't lose sight of the educational needs of young people experiencing homelessness now\,” Pringle said.\n\nPring le says homeless students face significant barriers to having success in s chool\, and 67% of students in shelters are chronically absent.\n\n“That means that 67% of students living in shelters miss more than 10% of the s chool year. That is roughly a month of school\,” she said.\n\nStudents h ave a federal right to remain in their school when they become homeless\, which can help provide stability at a difficult time. But the city routine ly moves children into shelters far from their schools.\n\n“Forty percen t of families are placed in shelter in a different borough from where they go to school — not just neighborhood\, not community school district\, different borough. That poses all sorts of challenges for families\,” sh e said. “Long commutes\, meaning parents can't work. They can't look for permanent housing because they're busy spending their day\, taking their child back and forth to school.”\n\nStudents are entitled to transportat ion back to their old school\, but many wait weeks for the city to set up busing or endure long commutes to their old schools\, leading them to be l ate or absent. \n\n“We hear from families\, you know\, it's mid-October \, who are still waiting for a school bus\, still waiting\,” she said.\n \nPringle says the next mayor should make these students a priority.\n\n “This can't just be: ‘New York City Public Schools\, you figure it o ut.’ It needs to be a multi-agency approach\, all working together\, las er-focused on how can we ensure better supports for students experiencing homelessness.”\n\nAn education department spokeswoman pointed to efforts the city has made to better support these students\, including more than 350 dedicated staff for supporting students in temporary housing\, some ba sed in shelters. \n\n“Education is key to breaking the cycle of homeles sness\, and we will continue to strengthen our trauma-informed\, cross-age ncy and data-driven strategies to help students and families thrive\,” t he spokeswoman\, Chyann Tull\, said.\n\nA City Hall spokesman said Mayor E ric Adams has been clear that every child deserves a place to call home.\n \n“Through tailored support in our schools and innovative programs throu gh our city agencies\, we’re working every single day to address homeles sness and ensure our students have the resources they need to thrive\,” the spokesman said.\n\nThe Department of Homeless Services says it has bee n focusing on placing families closer to support systems\, and that the ci ty was able to increase the percentage of students currently living in she lters in their youngest child’s school borough to 81% in the last fiscal year.\n\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n From a parents mouth\n\n URL\n\n http s://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/education/2025/10/17/one-family-s-experience- navigating-public-school-while-homeless\n\n  \n\n\n\n One family's experi ence navigating public school while homeless\nBY Jillian Jorgensen New Yor k City\nPUBLISHED 8:00 PM ET Oct. 20\, 2025\n\nKezie Thomas knows what lif e is like for the 65\,000 students in city schools who lived in a homeless shelter at some point last year.\n\nShe watched her daughter live through it as they bounced around the shelter system.\n\n“My daughter was like\ , moved every semester\, and it's really messing up her\, you know? She's finding it hard to build relationships with friends\, you know. She's find ing it hard to focus. She is falling asleep because she's tired from the c ommute\, coming home at this hour. After six in the evening and waking up at five in the morning\,” she said.\n\nWhat You Need To Know\nKezie Thom as now has permanent housing — but when she was living in a shelter\, sh e often faced long commutes to her child's school\n\nWhen she was finally assigned a school bus\, the bus was often late or did not show up at all\n \nHer child struggled with the frequent moves — but is now doing much be tter attending a school close to her apartment\nLast school year\, 154\,00 0 students were homeless for at least a night. About 65\,000 students spen t some amount of time living in a city homeless shelter. Another 82\,000 w ere doubled up\, sharing someone else’s housing after losing their own. And 7\,000 were living in motels\, hotels\, or otherwise\, without stable housing.\n\nThomas and her family became homeless after a marketing busine ss she ran began to struggle a few years after the pandemic hit\, promptin g her first to crash with friends and family and ultimately enter shelter. \n\nThey were often placed in shelters far from her daughter’s school. T hat prompted Thomas to change her child’s school at least five times ove r the years she was in and out of shelter.\n\n“The final shelter that I stayed at before being placed in permanent housing\, it was like an hour a nd 15 minutes almost to get to her school. And that was a disaster\,” sh e said.\n\nAt first\, Thomas had to bring her older child to school via pu blic transit — with a baby in tow. \n\n“I'm doing my best to try to c ommute to get on the trains for this long hours\, raise up the stroller up and down the train\, some of the stations don't even have\, like\, you kn ow\, elevators\,” she said.\n\nEventually\, she was assigned a yellow sc hool bus to bring her to school. But that didn’t solve much.\n\n“There [were] many days that the school bus would not show up. They would not ev en let you know that they're not showing up\,” she said. “Then when I finally call into the company\, the bus company\, they will just take the — create the ticket number\, and they'll just do that over and over and over. And you really don't know if they're looking into the problem.”\n\ nNow\, she’s in permanent housing and moved her child one more time -- t o a school that’s just four minutes away.\n\n“She loves it. For the fi rst time in forever\, she says that she loves her friends\, she loves the teachers. She's doing well\,” Thomas said of her fifth-grader.\n\nShe sa ys her religious faith is what got her through her time in shelter. And no w\, she wants to advocate for other women in her position. She also wants the candidates running for mayor to understand what it’s like for famili es like hers — and to be accountable when the city's systems fail.\n\n “When it comes along electoral time\, you see the mayor\, the government \, everybody\, you know\, they’re campaigning\, ‘Vote for me. I'm goin g to do this\, I'm going to do that.' But as soon as that is over\, they c an't even be reached\,’” Thomas said. “These people don't even know what it feels like. I'm pretty sure they don't even know what it feels lik e.”\n\nShe described calling the bus company and getting nowhere.\n\n“ You just deal with whatever happened today\, and you just move on. And I t hink that is very unfair\,” she said. “The people that are in shelters \, most people think that homeless people are like\, you know\, bums or th ey don't have an education or they have nothing going for them. But that's not the case. Everybody hits a break in life\, you know\, and that's what happened. That's my story\, because I'm coming from a background of degre es and running a business and\, you know\, and it's a humbling moment and having to go through that. It taught me a lot\, and it just empowered me e ven more to educate my daughter.” \n\n\n\n\n Prior Edition\n\n\n\n http s://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/562-economic-corner-23/\n\n\n\n Economic Cor ner\n\n\n\n The Two Economies of the USA have a simple problem. \n\n\n\n POST URL\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11979-economiccorner024/\n\n\n \n PRIOR EDITION\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/562-economic-co rner-23-10232025/\n\n\n\n NEXT EDITION\n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events /event/569-economic-corner-25/\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENTARIES\n\n\n\n  \ n\n\n\n COMMENTS\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n   On 10/24/2025 at 1: 10 AM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing had it right in pr oselytizing that Black folks should not procreate or marry until they are at least 30 years old.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n have you or anyone else who foll ows Welsing asked her the following questions? \n\n\n\n 1) does she want the black dos population in the usa to get old and die? \n\n\n\n 2) does she prosyletize to non black dos woman\,including black recent immigrant w omen plus all non black women from wherever: who don't speak english in th e usa\, are not college educated\, on welfare \, are not thrity\, or have three or better children not to have children fr which NYC has millions?\n \n\n\n  \n\n\n\n   On 10/24/2025 at 1:10 AM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n I h ope that Black folks will find a way to build wealth despite the handicap of legacy of slavery over four centuries and obstacles built into the syst em of racism white supremacy.\n\n\n\n Black people in the usa have nonviol ently built wealth in the usa nonviolently having the legacy of enslavemen t + jim crow forcing most of said wealth to come through individual effort s. \n\n\n\n The question to you as I ask others in the this forum\, is wh at do you want from the black populace in the usa to be satisfied? I defin e satisified as a situation where you Profd no longer have a complain to t he black populace in the usa. I will ask the specific question at the end of my comment. \n\n\n\n I asked @Pioneer1 a while back\, what will it t ake for him to be satisfied\, meaning the same as you\, concerning the iss ue of illegalities\, for Pioneer continually suggest one instance of illeg ality from one individual in the black populace in the USA is too much and shows urgency. His answer was until the black populace commits no illegal ities he will have a complaint. \n\n\n\n Now Pioneer in my reading has ne ver displayed the same passion to non black or non black doser illegalitie s in the usa. His variance in approach suggest they are allowables or acce ptables to him. \n\n\n\n So Profd\, what will satisfy you financially con cerning the black populace or specifically\, the black dos populace in the usa? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Posted Sunday at 12:23 AM\n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n \n well her death is convenient in that sense\, but glad she has those who still follow her thinking positively.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n This is the econ omic corner\, build more isn't a goal. \n\n\n\n How many more Black busin esses do you want to see? The answer can't be infinite\, can't be everywhe re overwhelming\, the USA is not a black country nor are the nonblacks abs ent the means to harm/destroy black business. \n\n\n\n If you can't give a count\, what about a percentage? What percentage of business in the usa do you need Black business to increase as? What percentage of Black busine ss in the usa do you want to increase to? \n\n\n\n Present goals. \n\n\n \n  \n\n\n\n Posted Monday at 04:38 AM\n\n\n\n @ProfD\n\n\n\n   On 10/ 26/2025 at 7:54 AM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Words of wisdom do not die.\n\n \n\n and lies tend to live at the fountain of youth\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n    On 10/26/2025 at 7:54 AM\, ProfD said:\n\n\n\n Black financial institu tions can extend favorable lines of credit to Black start-up businesses in every major Black cities around the country. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Once su ccessful\, we can diversify into other types of businesses too i.e. invest ments.\n\n\n\n I see your goal now. At the moment\, in  2025 more black i nvestment firms exist than in decades past\, maybe in the history of the u sa \, or the european colonies preceding so from a mere growth perspective black owned financial instutitions are growing\, are greater in quantity now than ever before. \n\n\n\n So\, your goal is for the current growth o f black owned financial instutitions: investment firms\, credit unions\, b anks\, to expand ... at a rate never known in the history of the usa...\n\ n\n\n Ideally possible\, the problem with the expanse your speaking of is it needs something money can't buy. Belief\, Love ... in the usa. circa fi fty million black people in the usa today\, don't have a lot of inspiratio n. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n  @Chevdove \n\n\n\n \n On 11/18 /2025 at 10:58 PM\, Chevdove said:\n \n\n \n \n our Black upper class s ectors are ignoring the poverty stricken Black population but all the whil e\, bragging about a good economy. \n \n \n\n\n\n they always have\, if you look at black people complaining about other black people it started i n the 1800s from the most well off black people complaining that black peo ple not well off had some erroneous behavior. This is why MLK jr for all o f his nonviolence\, for his nepobaby upbringing\, was never made head of t he southern black leadership conference\, because he comprehended that bla ck fiscal poor majority in the black populace in the usa have a financiall y inequal situation in the usa\, built over centuries\, that financially c an not be deemed irrelevant. People talk about money but then want to disr egard financial advantage whites have.\n\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pr ofD\n\n\n\n \n On 11/18/2025 at 11:32 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Wh y should a homeless person want to bring a child into the world and not be ing able to provide for them?\n \n \n\n\n\n question\, do you think our e nslaved forebears should had children? based on your words\, they shouldn' t have wanted to bring children into this world far more than any other bl ack people. And I do think it is a convenience if you suggest they were no t able to choose to do so. My question is about their intent not ability.\ n\n\n\n \n On 11/19/2025 at 6:51 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n A world war won't be as many boots on the ground.  Drones and other hi-tech sh8t will be used to *fight*.\n \n \n\n\n\n no a war between usa and china wi ll have many boots on the ground\, many boots. Remember\, the wars the usa has fought since the end of the russian/usa armistice wars were never aga inst a nuclear power. this is why \, the usa will not put boots on the gro und for ukraine. it isn't because the usa can't but the inevitable clash o n the ground will swallow ukraine and lead to a true war\, not these larg skirmishes the usa has with iraq/afghanistan/kosovo and company\n\n\n\n \n On 11/19/2025 at 6:51 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Most Black folks work for white-owned companies and businesses.\n \n \n\n\n\n do you hones tly think the usa which has mostly white people in it\, will have most bla ck people not working for white firms\n\n\n\n \n On 11/20/2025 at 10:20 P M\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Power is acquired through various forms of war which according to NF Jr. is an area of human activity. \n \n \n\n\ n\n thank you for this quote. Pioneer at times speaks about black people w ith such a disdain\, it bends historical reality. If a homeless black chil d with only the clothes on their back reads pioneers words they will think they can walk into a town where no blacks exist\, or a town of mostly whi tes like nyc\,  and through their intelligence own every business \, own all the land\, in the town and non blacks will simply have succumbed to th e intellectual powers of themselves just some clearly brilliant strategy.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/20/2025 at 10:20 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \ n \n Those elders just worked hard to provide a better life for their o ffspring and figured a good education and job would make life easier for t hem. They meant well.\n \n \n\n\n\n thank you again. I have said it befor e\, Black History throughout humanity from the late 1400s to today is not simple. It isn't something for a financial ledger\, this is complicated. I t isn't failure and your wrong or failure and your stupid. I can speak for my bloodline and say\, I had multiple business owners in my bloodline and things were not and are not a simple matter of out chessing non blacks.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n \n On 11/19/2025 at 5:29 PM\, Pione er1 said:\n \n\n \n \n If we ARE smart enough\; then why haven't we?\n \n \n\n\n\n It is interesting you don't use the word powerful\, you use s mart\, like a chessboard game\, not power\, which is why Black descended o f enslaved are here. war is why\, war is about power. intelligence has val ue but it is a bloody mess.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/19/2025 at 5:59 P M\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n What is there to fear from someone you' re clearly superior in intelligence to?\n \n \n\n\n\n A bullet can come f rom anyone. What makes you think intelligence can stop a bullet from a foo l ?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/19/2025 at 9:32 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\ n \n \n Indians came way over from India and establish nearly a monopol y on 7/11s and motels...lol.\n \n \n\n\n\n 7/11 is a japanese firm\, it i sn't indian\, anyone can open up 7/11 s and from my eyes\, 7/11s aren't th e most popular convenience stores among black people. \n\n\n\n \n On 11/ 20/2025 at 9:53 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n But after the 60s when we had a LEGAL RIGHT to open up our own businesses and buy up property pr etty much anywhere we pleased.....\n \n \n\n\n\n did you know black peopl e in the usa were still enslaved to whites in the 1970s? Alice wasn't alon e. you make black history in the usa like a fantasy.\n\n\n\n \n On 11/20/ 2025 at 10:55 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n War is A way of establis hing power\, but not the only way.\n \n \n\n\n\n for the record\, war is the way whites europeans did it and it worked pretty well from them everyw here in humanity. Cause those other ways you talk about don't get the same results as war based on current human history. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n O n 11/20/2025 at 10:55 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n Many immigrant c ommunities have power in the United States and they didn't get it from war or mass violence.\n\n Jews and Asians didn't use war to gain the econom ic and political power they have in America.\n \n \n\n\n\n I know people in many non black immigrant communities. I have not heard them speak of th emselves as powerful. If anything I have heard of them pleading for whites to be nice to them. \n\n\n\n White jews are white people\, they do not c ount. They are part of the white collective that enslaved black people \, which is war.  White asians did use war\, Japan was the only non white eu ropean imperial power during the first two imperial white european wars ye s? china is a nuclear power\, the tides of immigration into the usa that o ccured after they became a nuclear power is based on that. India is a nucl ear power\, the indian government never signed the non proliferation treat y\, and their immigration into the usa has only strengthened since then.  \n\n\n\n Why do you think north korea/iran are doing it? why do you think israel already did it ? you think gaining a nuclear weapon isn't about war . And yes\, once a country has a nuclear weapon it changes the status of t hat country and their citizens all over the world. that is why Iran wants one so bad\, you would call iran stupid and they should focus on tricking the usa. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n MY COMMENT\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD\n\n\n \n \n On 11/21/2025 at 11:39 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n However\, t hose who had a choice could have abstained from bringing children into suc h a world.\n \n \n\n\n\n Yeah and humanity couldn't exist today. The blun t truth is\, if every human being in a disfavorable situation chose to abs tain from procreation\, humanity wouldn't exist.\n\n\n\n I argue based on human history that the shouldn't have children if in disfavorable situatio n: enslaved/serf/refugee/or similar applies to most of the parents in huma n history so... it whlle I comprehend the logic you state which i heard ot her black people as well as non black people state before\, it is an unnat ural position based on human history.\n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 11:39 A M\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n A war between the US and China is unlikely in our lifetime.  I still believe such a war would be a hi-tech affair i f it comes to pass.  Not necessarily nuclear either.\n \n \n\n\n\n your correct\, no one knows the timing or the tools or the rules.  I gamble th e timing or tools or rules will be different. But... I think your rules ga mble is a better bet. usa/china at the moment is more likely to become ano ther global proxy war\, like USa/USSR where the pair use others to avoid a straight confrontation. That will definitely allow nuclear avoidance and keep their involvement a tool based on while as in the third white europea n imperial war\, most call the cold war\, the militaristically lesser coun tries involved take on huge  losses in lives that aren't touted as war lo sses between the two major powers\, though in function they are.\n\n\n\n \ n On 11/21/2025 at 11:39 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Interdependence does not absolve humans from personal responsibility and accountability.   As an adult\, we are expected to make rationale decisions.  Our surviv al is dependent upon it.\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n Beyond the histori c and systemic issues\, a huge part of our dysfunction as Black folks lies in decision-making\; personal responsibility and accountability. \n \n\ n \n  \n \n\n \n As Black folks\, we cannot continue to do selfish \, reckless and/or unproductive sh8t and expect positive results.\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n The reality is that nobody and nothing else is goin g to save or take care of Black folks.  We have to fend and fight for our selves.\n \n \n\n\n\n Have you checked out the american revolution series from PBS which I posted? \n\n\n\n https://aalbc.com/tc/events/week/2025- 11-21/?id=7\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n I ask because as like the vietnam war docum entary or the civil war documentary or the jews in the holocaust documenta ry. Burns team don't allow philosophy to go over truth. I even argue that from the declaration itselfpeople in the usa have tried to have philosophy go over truth. Not to undo truth or speak lies but the emphasis is a hope fulness.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n For me\, your opening statement in the phrase displays it fully.\n\n\n\n Interdependence does not absolve humans from pe rsonal responsibility and accountability... is a more elegant way of sayin g\, collectivism is not greater than individualism. \n\n\n\n And individu alism for me is the heart of statian/of the usa philosophy.\n\n\n\n When a black person says I got mine get yours\, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting a black person doesn't comprehend the collective situation but they are placing greater value in the individual power or role. \n\n\n\n When a black or non black person says slavery was legal\, that is individu alism. It isn't suggesting enslavement is good or positive  but whatever is under the law at a given moment allows an individuals passions or drive to act.\n\n\n\n When an immigrant today says I came to the USA to work\, that is individualism. It isn't suggesting they aren't breaking a law\, or are welcomed by the people in the usa or are faithful to the country they left\, it is saying that an individual actions are more important than a collectives laws[the laws in the usa ] \, average intent [the people in th e usa ]or average perspective[the people in the country they left]\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And the rest of your argument makes \,to me\, logical sense\, if you accept that initial point. \n\n\n\n The same goes to pioneer. Pion eers position starts with \, no black individual or group has any external reason in modernity/today to be hindered. Once you start there the rest o f pioneer's points make perfect sense. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And as I have said\, i think the black populace in the usa has always had this battle ov er collectivist and individualist\, lets be blunt\,\n\n\n\n the black peop le who fought for the creation of the usa were ardent individualist. from the over ninety percent of black people enslaved to the public proclamatio ns of non blacks fighting to cede from the english empire\, no collective reason exist to support the founding of the usa BUT an individualist reaso n does exist. The usa at its infancy stated to nonblacks\, specifically wh ites christian european males\, that they have an individual freedom no ma tter the collective situation and the blacks who supported the usa saw in that the potential for expansion to all individuals. \n\n\n\n the black p eople who fought against the creation of the usa were ardent collectivist. The number of black people that whites colonist stopped from joining the english is testament to that. It isn't that the english aren't enslavers o r like blacks\, but the collective good of black people in the english col onies which most black people knew would happen if england won and in para llel the collective horror of black people in the english colonies which m ost black people knew would happen if england lost was the reasoning. And i cheap hindsight the black people who fought against the creation of the usa were correct. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n As a historical note\, one thing th e documentary made me give greater value to is the variance of whites in t he english colonies. \n\n\n\n Quietly\, the english colonies were already not english. what do I mean? \n\n\n\n The english error was that\, they thought in terms of being english but the english colonies were already \" white\" not english or german or french or spanish or russian but \"white\ " . The english didn't comprehend the identity of the coloist wasn't engli shman with non english. it was in the modern vernacular\, white people. Ye s\, the wealthiest were english\, anglicans right. but the overall white p opulace was already not english\, and the proof today is most white americ ans are actually german americans not anglo americans. so yes english is t he language and anglophilia is strong but white culture in the usa isn't e nglish. \n\n\n\n And that is where the english empire made the mistake wh ich is why after the usa they ended enslavement and made the commonwealth culture\, which was designed to widen the identity of being english in the same way the usa was born with a \"white\" identity. \n\n\n\n The lesson is a mixed peoples culture even if you haven't labeled them is real once it manifest. \n\n\n\n I think in parallel\, the modern USA is going throu gh a similar reality. \n\n\n\n The immigrant populace of the usa today ha s become a multiracial body that is only human\, not white or black or chr istian or muslim or latino or anglo or sino ... they are only united in be ing human +individuals. \n\n\n\n The white populace of the usa can embrac e a white collectivism which includes today white women\, white asians\, w hite latinos\, white muslims\, which extends from the origin of the usa wh o believe in individualism\, but have a collective tinge based on phenotyp e. but said white populace is having a problem with the modern immigrant b lock  stemming from the immigration act of 1964  \, which includes white s/blacks/transgenders/females/old/chinese/arabs/nigerians/jamaicans/and al l\, who equally believe in individualism but embrace a human collectivism over any branch in humanity and that is being exposed in the presidencies or Schrumpt the mayoralty of Mamdani...\n\n\n\n But both of them represent growing factions that are willing to split over ideas. and that is where even hochul\, a woman\, shows the role of individuals or small groups in b etween the Old Wnite and the New Rainbow. I think DOSers and Indigenous pe ople are the two primary smaller groups \, not in the whites\, not in the modern immigrant. \n\n\n\n But as in the past\, need to make careful choi ces. In the past both of those groups went against the white colonist and supported the english which led to failure. \n\n\n\n I can't say whether it is wiser as a group to support the modern immigrants or white nationali sts \, I think some individuals in the Black Descended of enslaved have al ready decided who they will support in the coming internal war in these st atian lands\, however that war manifest. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\ n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 1:26 PM\, ProfD sai d:\n \n\n \n \n Exactly.  Cold wars and proxy wars between super power countries enable them to maintain the balance of power over the rest.\n \n \n\n\n\n Plus\, maintain themselves as they are limited in reach. the s o called cold war didn't happen because the usa + ussr wanted to maintain a balance of power over the rest\, it happened because the usa couldn't af ford to continue a war against an honest opponent\, the usa at the end of the second white imperial war\, world war 2\, were logistically at a limit and the ussr didn't have the nuclear option. IT wasn't strategic desire f rom either as much as logistical demand.\n\n\n\n My reason for suggesting a proxy war between china + the usa isn't that they will be in strategic l eague with each other which is your wordings allusion. \n\n\n\n Modern Ch ina was born from global imperialism\, people forget china at the time bef ore maos' ascendence had been dominated not just by White European powers but the usa + japan so many chinese and I Argue most view outsiders no mat ter who they are \, including fellow asians\, including fellow people not white european \, as untrustworthies based on their near\, 1900s \, histor y. China militaristically seems to be very wary of the kind of imperialism the usa has. They still know what full blown imperialism is and don't wan t it. They want resources but they don't want an alliance system that the european countries like to do. The chinese I argue are like a true nuclear powered japan. the japanese don't kill others in japan but they don't car e for others really\, they like visitors or tourists but not immigrants. C hina is the same\, they don't mind visitors at all but not immigrants. \n \n\n\n The USA has been looking for a replacement for the ussr since the e nd of the commonly called cold war. \n\n\n\n so \, between the USA's desi re and China's resource need alongside the chinese lack of global ambition s\,  I can see a proxy but it will not be as potent as against the ussr .  \n\n\n\n I argue the better bet for what the usa want which will serv e china better is a proxy war between the European Union and Russia. In th at way the usa + china can not be publicly labaled the active parties whil e fueling either side. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 1:26 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n To me\, it is not about placing higher value on individualism. \n \n \n\n\n\n So many black people in the usa talk ab out dubois when younger's double mind /perspective philosophy. but \, I ar gue\, black people do it to ourselves\, by how we speak. \n\n\n\n I do wi sh I comprehended why black people who clearly in their discourse favor in dividualism\, always say what I just quoted you as saying. \n\n\n\n why? I don't see any shame in individualism. I think of ida be wells\, harriet tubman\, FRederick douglass\, web dubois when younger\, booker t washingto n\, marcus garvey\, that period. So many in that period in their personal lives had an individualism\, but were so wary of saying to other black peo ple to just fend for themselves. I know many people in the black populace in the usa love the middle ground thinking. That is how many have tried to keep black homes alive when one son wants to go to harvard and the other son wants to kill whites. But\, I wish you would admit it is. It is the ne xt step. and I don't see any shame. Do I concur? no. But\, I comprehend yo ur individualism. I do. But\, why try to suggest the village is more. I th ink that is where many black people go dysfunctional. Personal Accountabil ity\, yes\, but t has borders.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 1:2 6 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n A winning sports team is a collective o f gifted and/or talented individuals.  Everyone on the team has a persona l responsibility to train and prepare to be the very best.\n \n \n\n\n\n the one flaw in your analogy is any... most sports teams in modernity \, w hether winning or not\, are a collective of individuals who have willingly chosen to work together. That is a key difference. When you look at the b lack populace in NYC\, as the cheapest example I can give. yes\, the black populace in NYC is a collective\, yes the black populace in NYC is a coll ective of individuals BUT the black populace in NYC isn't a collective of individuals who chose to work together. some in that collective have chose n to work together. That is a huge element profd\,  that ruins your analo gy. This goes back to what I meant about the million man march. The millio n man march had a collective of black individuals WHO CHOSE to work/come t ogether. The million man march was the sports team\, not the black populac e in the USA.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And agan\, you mention music. Then you fu lly well know\, that a band is not just a collection of individuals\, they CHOOSE to be together. And what happens when one band member doesn't choo se to work together anymore\, regardless of the reason \, they leave the b and. You can not say blacks or non blacks choose to be together. collectiv es of individuals\, but they don't choose. when a black child is born\, ri ght now\, they are an individual in a black collective\, but they haven't chosen to work with anyone. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n You like many black peopl e give whites more credit than they deserve. Alot of circumstances\, and a lot more unadmitted luck\, are part of their journey\, like all human grou ps\, which I wish non white europeans would admit more in discourse . you make them too machiavellan\, that isn't them\, they wish it was them. Mayb e black people\, especially many or most in the usa\,  wish black people were that machiavellan\, but that never happens in reality. No group is ev er that organized\, not even the falsely praised by many white jew\, ala t heir history. \n\n\n\n The creation of the usa alone proves this. If Fran ce didn't get involved the way they did the usa never happens. And the usa didn't force france of that time to do anything. France made choices. Gov ernments do all the time\, and it always plays out someway. Look at Cuba.   Cuba should be looking like somalia. Yes\, Fidel made choices\, Cuban c itizens made choices. but the bay of pigs could had led to fidel being mur dered. Maybe an assasin could had killed fidel. Maybe a general could had played the benedict arnold. these little things are not just choices but l uck. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n And thank you... thinking on our discourse I com prehend now why black people like you say what I quoted penultimately. But your wrong\, whites don't do individualism + collectivism together cohesi vely. No one does. That is why humanity is as  it is now. Most groups in humanity don't allow individualism thus people leave groups and come to th e one government that embraces individualism over collectivism\, the usa. But\, the usa as the white populace in it has always proven\, from the fou nding to the war between the states to modernity\, don't do collectivism w ell. Too many Black people give non blacks too much credit\, maybe cause o f envy or frustration at our situation or a mix of both. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\ n\n I argue kemet had the best collectivism\, thousands of years in a cont inual culture\,  but they had luck too\, the tools in humanity were not a s plentiful\, in parallel\, once the age of true rulers of the nile ended\ , conciding with the era of tools:) kemet was never the same. kemet requir ed a technological naivety that they saw end with the hellenistic age and the growing white european power which is all about tools use. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD\n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 a t 3:47 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n There is no shame in individualism .  The key is understanding how it can be beneficial to the collective.\n \n \n\n\n\n well all philosophies have a positive or negative element. I ndividualism at its core is anti collective. Collectivism at its core is a nti individual.  for me\, individualism doesn't have to be to the betterm ent of any collective in the same way collectivism doesn't have to allow f or individualism. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 3:47 PM\, Prof D said:\n \n\n \n \n A sports teams is a collective built on individual s who either work together or find something else to do.\n \n\n \n  \ n \n\n \n Same thing applies to your labeling of tribes which I interp ret to be a collective of like-minded individuals.  They each have a per sonal responsibility to carry their own weight within the tribe/collective .\n \n \n\n\n\n exactly\, the tribes within the black populace are made u p of individuals who choose to work together\, but not the black populace overall. \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 3:47 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \ n The Million Man March was a moment in time back in 1995.  Black men f rom all over the US came together.  They did not leave Washington DC with a plan of action and milestones to be accomplished.\n \n \n\n\n\n no the y didn't nor did the people who organized the event who were mostly black want them too leave with a plan of action or milestone which is equally im portant. \n\n\n\n I will be blunt\, if I organize a gathering in NYC for black men to show solidarity\, a Black Man March\,  and the black men sho w up and show solidarity\, then after the event if the black men weren't g uided I will say online\, cable television\, whereever\, I am to blame. Ca use in my view\, I will be to blame. The black men did their part by comin g. It was up to me to organize\, not them. I called for the gathering\, bl ack men in nyc didn't. I did\, so I am accountable. I am responsible. They did all they had to do by coming and showing solidarity.\n\n\n\n \n On 1 1/21/2025 at 3:47 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n In a circular way\, I t hink we are getting to Black folks having a choice as individuals to formi ng collectives.\n \n \n\n\n\n all humans have that choice\, tribalism has no bounds\, ask latinos this past two years:)  they have been given a st atian lesson in assessing the true quality of your collective\, what tribe s truly exist and what individuals are looking out for themselves regardle ss of any group\, these past two years. I think it has stunned some:) but they are young\, it takes time to gain the experience of the native americ an or the Black DOSer.\n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 3:47 PM\, ProfD said:\ n \n\n \n \n IMO\, there is a level of coordination among white folks t hat enables them to maintain power over non-white folks.\n \n \n\n\n\n I think the coordination of white european wealthy has been supplanted by a level of coordination among the multiracial financially wealthy \, this is partly because of china but also the various 1%'s who exist in all countr ies or all minority populaces in countries\, like the DOS whose black weal thy are a clear example\,  including the haiti's of the world.  I will a rgue\, Schrumpft ascendecny is part of this. Whites\, especially fiscally poor whites\,  in the USA who were raised on a quality in white unity in usa realize its gone\, they want to get it back but history proves that wi ll fail. Said poor whites were so busy doing everything they could to harm black people in the 1900s\, making sure the civil rights act didn't benef it us with as many blockades or harms or similars  as possible that fisca lly rich whites found a new paradigm of multiracial fiscal wealthy unity\, wich is the basis of the global economy\, thus why schrumpft is trying to go to a one to one system which will force all the 1%'s in little countri es to change as they rely on the global system or protection and products.  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 3:47 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n That's why Chinese and Russians haven't overthrown their leaders.\n \n \n\n\n\n Your wrong there my friend.\n\n\n\n Chinese people have no r eason to overthrow the chinese government\, not one reason. The chinese go vernment absent taking others people\, absent enslaving other people\, whi le making selfish individualist all over the world fiscally wealthy for re sources or trade deals\, is second only to the usa in the true militaristi c power field. China has a single party but that party is used to infighti ng. Whereas the donkeys or elephants are dysfunctional when they infight\, leading to no laws and a stuck government\, the wings of the dragon/the s ingle party\, fight each other but the winners dictate the policy. When yo u look at Mamdani's mayorality\, it reminds me of deng xioping \, when he came about he was from a wing of the chinese community party\, he side oth ers petitioned polled\, made allegiances with important members and he gai ned the lead role and the strategy changed. China's government is of its p eople\, it isn't in the way the usa likes\, it is another model\, but it i nvites activity and grassroots change\, just not the way the usa does it.  \n\n\n\n Russia I want to say is complicated.  PEople forget russia had two government systems before putin.\n\n\n\n 1. You had the gorbachev att empt\, which I need to study more\, to administratively go into a USa styl e fiscal capitalist system from the soviet USSR system but between preside nt Reagan and Bush and bad luck it fell apart. I am certain gorbachev was right\, he wasn't trying to continue the third white european imperial war commonly called the Cold War\, but he realized that many russians were lo oking for a hard move into fiscal capitalism and he comprehended the peopl e of russia weren't ready for that. Gorbachev allowed the breakup of the s oviet union with checkoslovakia/poland and others leaving. He helped germa ny reunite. But internally the oligarchs and others were hammering led by the usa who was probably looking for russia to lose its way completely.  The one thing Gorbachev needed was patience and no one had it. The funny t hing is 2013 most parts of the former soviet union said the dissolution wa s a bad thing:)  \n\n\n\n 2.  The oligarchal Yeltsin era... I always sa y\, one of the biggest problems with how people outside the usa view the u sa's financial success\, is most seem to always cut out the raw truths of the first people and the black dosers as mandatory elements of financial s uccess. Whites were able to kill people for land. that is a huge part of w ealth in the usa. Harvard and yale have nothing to do with that. enslaveme nt is a huge part of wealth in the usa. it isn't an accident that the usa founders enslaved others while fighting for their freedoms. Fiscal capital ism always requires losers\, auto losers\, a peoples who can be abused leg ally\, not large enough to overtake the majority but large enough to leech off of. The oligarchs came in and grabbed all the natural resources of ru ssia but they didn't have a first peoples\, they didn't have any enslaved populace\, so the fiscal capitalism had imbalance. they got their money bu t the russian majority wasn't prepared for the financial blowback and abse nt the very large welfare system of the soviets which made it where rent/f ood/electricity/schooling/healthcare was all taken care of for all. Now un der the oligarchs rents/food prices/healthcare costs\, everything became a bill\, a total opening up of russia as a marketplace\, and russia couldn' t find enough abusable people to make it work. Chechnya was an attempt but it wasn't enough of them for that\, and no new land was available. I neve r forget telling a russian in the new york city\, the problem with russian s and most idolizers of the usa is when they look at the usa they see the big buildings of downtown manhattan\, or the huge highway systems and forg et the many small towns near the mississippi river with no electricity or good running water\, they forget the native american reservations or appal achain poor whites who live near toxic or radioactive waste. The usa has n ever helped all in it\, it has always been a place where many are hurt in it\, but those who are doing well give it a pass casue the money is so goo d. The oligarchs didn't have a way to mirror the honest financial assessme nt of the usa and thus putin.\n\n\n\n 3. Yes putin has installed himself. but part of putin's strength is the failure of the prior two governments a nd the reality that russia in the soviet era had better services for the c ommon person in russia. So\, putin has that reality. Russians don't want t o go back to the oligarchs. they know what the fiscal rich running things is. They hate it. Putin recognizes he has to live long enough to make the change stick\,generational. the old soviet model russia doesn't have the r esources for\, he can't provide that level of welfare. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\ n So you say overthrow but into what\, you think the usa is a goal? the us a is the best country in the world if one is looking at individual success \, but collective success\, the usa is the worst in the world. Even whites themselves see this now. ala Schrumpt. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 3:47 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Surely\, those wh o favor individualism will form their own tribes and/or break off and move to a country like the US that embraces it.\n \n \n\n\n\n it is a rare i do it\, but I will defend the usa and say  there is only one usa. No othe r country/government has individualism like it\, all other countries/gvern ments are managed by a majority collective\, the usa is run by a union of individuals\, not all fiscally wealthy\, it may seem the same but it isn't . The union of individuals in the usa are not connected by money but by in dividualism\, an individualist ruleset. one rule is each individual in hum anity is welcome. another rule is any collective can be harmed for the sak e of an individual. it is the second rule that many don't want to admit to .  It is the black christian alone in the church who opposes the group of blacks trying to enact revenge\, it is the rich white man who leeches off of all others. It is the native american who joins the us military while their peers roam the usa as stateless. Individuals are the key\, the moder n immigrants are all people who left their larger populaces for their indi vidual benefit. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD\n \n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 5:53 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n My point was that in both China and Russia\, the people have no reason or desire t o overthrow or kick out their leaders because as a mostly homogeneous soci ety\, they are apparently fine with their governance.\n \n \n\n\n\n but a re they mostly homogenous? \n\n\n\n I have never lived in either country but I know Russia has gypsies/cossasks/turks/mongolians/chechyans/ and man y others not just the descendents of the rus or vandals. \n\n\n\n They ma y not be phenotpyically as variant but they are culturally variant.\n\n\n\ n China is mostly han chinese but. the ugyars the tibetans the various sou th east asian peoples whom the chinese government officially recognizes. M aybe phenotypically similar but are culturally variant.\n\n\n\n For me the reasons are not because either country is homogenous but that the governm ental reasons i stated\n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 5:53 PM\, ProfD said:\ n \n\n \n \n Therein lies the reason the US is considered the great exp eriment and a melting pot. \n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n In its 250 yea rs of existence\, this patch quilt country consisting of people from all o ver the globe has become the most powerful nation on the planet.\n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n Seems far more people want to immigrate to the US ve rsus those who want to leave.😁😎\n \n \n\n\n\n haha you use sweet wo rds for the usa. I prefer the words the anamoly. and bent rainbow. If anyt hing what the usa is experiencing today/2025  is the first true melting. the usa before was merely a bent rainbow\, never really mixing but jumbled in.\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n anyway:) \n\n\n\n Yes\, it has become the most po werful. Alot of that militaristic truth has little to do with its governme nt or its demographic composition and more to do with england's influence in the usa historically\, its geography which is underrated by many. the u sa borders two oceans\, that saved the usa from many conflicts when it did n't have the military to battle anyone. I will be blunt\, if the usa was c loser to england\, it doesn't cede. it is that simple. but barring all the luck and it had a lot. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Lastly... that has always bee n true\, remember\, the USA at the time of its founding while legally an e nglish domain\, was in truth\, a white european domain. White europeans no t just in england/but in france/spain/portugal/holland/germany/italy all s aw the usa as this mythic land \, a myth that non whites like yourself per petuate with your language. France/Portugal/Spain all had domains larger d omains but for them\, this was a pure money thing. take as much as you can \, put it on a boat and send it to europe. \n\n\n\n England\, the parent of the usa\, was the one who said lets let whole families of the criminal/ poor/wicked of england come to the english north american colonies and onc e said whites realized all you had to do was kill a native american commun ity and land is yours well... all of europe wanted it. and so all of europ es peasants came. \n\n\n\n When people like you say how so many come to t he usa and so few want to leave... as if the usa wasn't really a murdering violent land grab for whites from 1492 to the early 1900s. Hawaii was the last state and its indigenous were killed and their lands were taken. yea h\, people do love coming to the usa\, ask the native american\, they know all about it. And as for the non white europeans who have come more stron gly over the years\,well  traitors really. And humanity is always full of benedict arnolds. \n\n\n\n so yeah. as for leaving it. \n\n\n\n The onl y populace that in majority wanted to leave was Black DOSers and white peo ple wouldn't allow that until the day in which Black people just succumbed to white control. Remember Black people tried hard to leave the usa befor e the 1900s many times but white people were serious about us not leaving. so please remember\, your words make it seem... I admit as one who has tu tored black children I realize sadfully that many things black adults say when it comes to our populace are just not adequate for black children to read or hear because they are lies or unevens\, which really setup black c hildren to have to relearn later the truth and I despise that. \n\n\n\n W hen black people whose parents are business owners say they didn't know ce rtain things about the black populace in the usa\, I always think to mysel f\, the parents lied for a reason and when I think you and pioneer and oth ers in this forum in all earnest I comprehend why their parents sounded li ke you two. I get why. I oppose it and I am thankful my black parents rais ed me in a house of truth\, even if the truth isn't pleasant or convenient .\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n But yeah\, the usa is the king country today\, withou t question. And when the usa dies and it will die one day because all thin gs die\, there are no exemptions\, it will be remembered better than it de serves and the reason why is because what the future will focus on as the future usually does isn't the holistic truth\,[this si why people speak of rome the way they do\, empires are never remembered for their cruelty\, t heir deliverances of pain\, they are remembered all the positives they did which are small drops to the negatives they performed over whole peoples who are dead] it isn't the long history books written by the acolytes or d escendents or relations of Richard Murray \, no it will be the quaint stat ements\, the quaint positions. \n\n\n\n And I think the function of the u sa is good for all other countries. I call it fidel's law\, send the usa y our traitors\, your schemers\, your liars\, your beggars\, you murderers\, your filth. Send the usa all the Me-ist . It is better for communities to get rid of dangerous individualist. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMME NT\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @Pioneer1\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 7:45 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n In other words\, they would do th e VERY OPPOSITE of what Charlie Kirk did.\n \n \n\n\n\n was MLK  jr unin telligent? \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 7:45 PM\, Pioneer1 sa id:\n \n\n \n \n You have HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of Black people still l egally enslaved in America's prison system.\n \n \n\n\n\n so if slavery n ever ended then why did you suggest some time in the 1960s was some turnin g point?\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 7:45 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\ n \n\n \n \n Were the CONDITIONS the same as when the White Europeans w ent to war?\n \n \n\n\n\n yes \, war is always the same really. \n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 7:45 PM\, Pioneer1 said:\n \n\n \n \n a sign of h umility and intelligence.\n\n They know who's buttering their bread in A merica and they're kissing to them.\n \n \n\n\n\n that's humility and int elligence to you\, ok:)\n\n\n\n \n On 11/21/2025 at 7:45 PM\, Pioneer1 sa id:\n \n\n \n \n How does any of this disprove or contend with anything I've said?\n \n \n\n\n\n to bad you don't compehend\, maybe one day you will\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  @ProfD \n\n\n\n \n On 11/23/2025 at 11:16 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n We've had freedom of choice and agency over our bodies for a couple centuries.\n \n \n\n\n\ n that isn't true in the usa. 1980 was when slavery ended in the usa. it i sn't about the laws it is about the environment. The great tragedy of tuls a in my view is that black people living today will say the black people d uring tulsa's time were free\, but that is freedom? yeah start business\, go to college\, and at any moment the white populace could wipe you out an d every single municipal level from the federal government to tulsa city c ouncil would be in on the coverup. that's freedom? we weren't free in our choices. MLK said it best himself. \n\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/23/202 5 at 11:16 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Even animals know how to preve nt their offspring from a life of of pain and/or suffering. \n \n\n \n  \n \n\n \n A mother will euthanize those incapable of surviving on their own. A father will do the same thing.\n \n \n\n\n\n what non human s are you referring to? nonhumans trust nature to do that. they don't do t hat. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n \n On 11/23/2025 at 11:45 AM\, ProfD said:\n \n \n \n \n Rhetorically\, I wonder what happened to any additional offspr ing and the parents.\n \n \n\n\n\n I know exactly what happened\, in one of my posts posted or one I have set up but haven't had time to share\, th e chinese government allowed the sale of the extra children illegally\, me aning illegal in chinese law like when the usa federal government allows i llegal immigration\,  through traffickers who made a fortunes selling chi nese kids to white people all over the world\, who were not orphans. \n\n \n\n The chinese government shut the majority of traffikers down\, using s ome of the biggest offenders as scapegoats\, ala madoff in the usa similar ly PLUS opening up the child allowance.  To me the traffikers made the mi stake of thinking this would last forever. that is a foolish hustle to thi nk will last forever. I know that in eastern europe the traffiking of blon des is big to all the rich asians who are looking for.. various things\, b ut they don't go too far\, or the governments will step in. The government s already know all the crimes but they all allow certain levels of all cri mes under a cap or within some limit. Some chinese traffikers got too gree dy\, were too confident governments wouldn't step in. \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Chevdove \n\n\n\n \n On 11/23/2025 at 11:17 AM\, Chevdove said:\n \n\n \n \n You are not the only Black American that thinks in this way\, so collectively\, yes this kind of belief does hurt us\, imo.\n \n \n\n\n\n Well the issue is centrism. Many\, not most\, black people want to be cen trists. It is the old adage\, I married a white woman\, went to harvard\, live in the hamptons\, but I am blacker than black still. Many Black peopl e in the usa\, and definitely descended of enslaved fear the internal sham e\, not external\,  of being a white agent.  \n\n\n\n The slave revolts prove\, most black people have a distrust of black people who have a posi tive or more positive relationship with whites or the usa  but how else c an a black person succeed in the usa absent a positive relationship with t he usa or whites:) \n\n\n\n So\, it becomes an impossible task. But one m any black people venture to\, and thus modernity. \n\n\n\n As I have said in this forum many times\, most black people want black betterment but th e problem is the intricacies of how said black betterment is defined. As f rederick Douglas said\, \n\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n Profd + Pioneer say today. It isn't a new thing. The problem is\, nonblack peoples actions have alway s made it very challenging for a majority of blacks to trust nonblacks or the usa. And absent trust to non blacks or the usa\, a black person tryin the middle will never be trusted by most blacks. \n\n\n\n This is why I t ry to emphasize black people in tribes do more in those tribes. Cause most in any tribe are similar thinking so the trust is there. If a black athei st goes to a black church it will be very hard to regale on anything. \n\ n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n  @ProfD\n\n\n\n \n On 11/23/2025 at 1:2 6 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n As it relates to procreation\, it has b een over 200 years since Black folks were forced to breed to children.\n \n \n\n\n\n but black people were enslaved to whites outside the incarcera tion system in the 1970s\, they were forced to breed... ok\, you can argue it was illegal by whites at that time but it was happening\n\n\n\n  \n\n \n\n \n On 11/23/2025 at 1:26 PM\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n Among cert ain animals\, after giving birth\, the mother will look over her offspring . If she deems that it is incapable of survival\, she will euthanize it.\n \n \n\n\n\n which ones\, i want to know\, please educate\, cause i don't recall any that do that. \n\n\n\n \n On 11/23/2025 at 1:26 PM\, ProfD s aid:\n \n\n \n \n Right. If/when I'm in a church or religious setting f or whatever reason\, I don't offer anything. Now\, if they ask what I thin k...it's on and popping.🤣😎\n \n \n\n\n\n hahaha part of  me will l ike to see that scenario\, from a distance:)\n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n @Pioneer1\ n\n\n\n I love that you quoted an incomplete statement:) convenient\n\n\n\ n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n @ProfD Alice was in the 1960s. By her own ad mittance she wasn't alone. The white man who owned her wasn't the only whi te person acting just like he was. She admitted children and adults were p art of the group of enslaved blacks. \n\n\n\n I don't have photographs or listings to prove. I don't have and will more than likely never have ledg er-man what you need to prove the obvious truth. I wish I did have photogr aphs. I don't have the money to perform investigative reporting for all th e incidents of slavery in the usa after the civil rights act of 1963\, for whichever ones records haven't been completely destroyed by now. Hell\, e veryone in New York city knows some white jewish women are enslaved to the ir husbands in 2025. \n\n\n\n When that latino guy could have three women in a basement and a child that was born from one of his rapes \, be disco vered circa 2010 or something by the merest chance\, not law enforcement w ork. I know\, absent any proof\,  post Alice in the 1970s other black peo ple were enslaved. I trust the genocide of the usa. I trust the enslavemen t of the usa. I trust the legal criminality of the usa. I trust the paper trail protecting of crimes of the usa. I trust the true nature of the usa.  \n\n\n\n So to your question\, I can provide nothing. Your 100% correct. And as said elsewhere our experiences give us different perspectives. \n \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n  \n\n\n\n COMMENT\n\n\n\n  @ProfD\n\n\n\n \n 24 min utes ago\, ProfD said:\n \n\n \n \n 1) how they got away with it\n \n \n\n\n\n You know part of how already. The full how requires details \, in this case more than likely very lost\, even though cases like this have s ome pattern. Alice's case at the least explains what you already know in p art.\n\n\n\n USA is a very large country geographically\, a person with la nd in a remote place that does enough to sate the taxation or real estate bureaucracy will not be bothered by other municipal agencies unless someth ing like a highway or big project involves said land. Again\, Castro prove s how very possible this is in 1970s. He kidnapped white women in 2003 to 2004 and kept them till 2014. that is ten years. And these are women who a re not born enslaved. And the only reason he got caught was he made a mist ake of leaving his door open and it wasn't a test but he forgot and then o ne went to neighbors with her daughter she had in captivity. Which means t hat white girl was born enslaved like Alice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Ariel_Castro_kidnappings  In the 1970s NYC had a famous couple of rich white guys who were recluse. Their financial situation was settled so the y just lived in a mansion. No one bothered them. The government knew throu gh taxes or et cetera they were there but if they had a child in that hous e\, who would know? Unless someone saw them take a child in and report it \, who would know in the 1970s? Today in 2025 I argue it is significantly harder to live unseen so to speak but in 1970s. And I will add\, if a whit e man had a black family and killed them 1975\, who would know? He could b ury the bodies\, countryside will swallow them. He could get old and die a nd no one will know. If the blacks were born enslaved like Alice\, no miss ing persons. Law enforcement will not suspect or bother a white man in the countryside\, unless said white man abducts someone or government needs t he land.  \n\n\n\n Enslaved black people \, born enslaved\, can't read o r write\, Alice couldn't. All the other black people around her were simil ar. These weren't black people who were working in a mill or going home fr om working at a hospital and grabbed and became this\, these black people were always enslaved. That is born enslaved which means some poor black wo man had a baby enslaved circa 1940s while black people are fighting for th e USA during the commonly called world war 2. Alice had to have a mother. If a house is remote enough\, a car/boat/train may be heard but not seen. 1970s air travel was far from what it is today. What would enslaved people think an airplane is? If their white master calls it the devil or an ange l\, how could they prove otherwise\, since they are enslaved. \n\n\n\n Th e power of people in the usa naysaying or covering negativities concerning the usa aside no proof that can dispel their position. In my life\, many Blacks + nonblacks in the usa have one thing in common. They are excusers for the usa and can do it cause so many of their positions have no proof at least easily available. In the vietnam war documentary\, soldiers at vi etnam admitted they saw fingers of people worn as necklaces\, were fired u pon by usa air force. Did many missions in cambodia which was supposed to not happen. Saw tons of very negative acts committed to unarmed people. Bu t\, no photos\, no transcripts. A soldier in that same documentary said he saw no criminal behavior whatsoever from us soldiers. Of course\, no one has proof that can dispute him so... To this day in NYC\, some people blac k + nonblack still say Black people burned the bronx\, which is a 100% lie . I happen to know for sure that people in the street knew it was whites\, I argue white jews since they owned the buildings and reaped the money fr om insurance. Today most accept it was whites but no proof exist. And many black people in NYC in the 1970s literally believed black people burned t heir own buildings they lived in\, all based on news reporting which itsel f was based on rigged phone calls or just general negative bias or some ag enda. But no proof to anything so... I remember when I told people black t owns in the 2000s had no running water. And many didn't believe cause it w as just me talking. Showed articles then belief. But to be blunt\, the art icles didn't have photographs. I bet many people think twenty five years l ater\, no black town like that exist in the usa. they need proof again. An d that maintains the cycle of naysaying usa's negativities.\n\n\n\n You kn ow how. Everybody black in the usa in their minds\, where the truth may be covered but never dead or nonexistent\,  know how. It isn't a pretty tal e.  Obama was born 1961 which means the real life Black woman Alice is ba sed on was enslaved when Obama future president of the USA was born. Alice was enslaved during the time of the march on washington. MLK jr was plead ing for all in the USA to judge by content of character not color of skin while a white man was daily raping a black woman whom was born enslaved.  \n\n DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20251023 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR