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SUMMARY:Two question of movies 02142026
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ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":troy@aalbc.com
DESCRIPTION:\n	\n\n\n\n	It is interesting\, the question says\, overrate
	d movie that everyone loves... that part invalidates most films. I can't t
	hink of a film everyone loves and no work of art is truly overrated becaus
	e all art has those who love it. Gone with the wind or Birth of a nation o
	r king kong or ... star wars or lord of the rings were not loved by everyo
	ne and are evenly rated by those who love it\, as well as evenly rated by 
	those who do not. I argue the question is dysfunctional. Yes\, millions di
	dn't get lord of the rings\, and millions didn't get gone with the wind\, 
	and millions didn't get birth of a nation. Now if the question was\, movie
	 that everyone I know loves\, but I just don't get... now you have an even
	 question. A small enough everyone\, and no false sense of rating\, so tha
	t it doesn't have an automatic millions of people not getting it regardles
	s of the movie you choose\, or an uneven assessment of ratings when people
	 rate all art as they feel about it. And my answer to the adjusted questio
	n is I don't know:) I can see why any film\, ANY FILM is loved I can see w
	hy any art is loved. If anything I argue the artists who can't see why a w
	ork of art is loved is hurting themselves as an artist. You have to have a
	n open mind to comprehend the eternity that is art. ... I will make anothe
	r adjustment\, movie that everyone I know loves\, that I wish didn't and w
	hy? To that end I can answer. I get the lion king 100% \, I don't think it
	 is falsely rated. But I wish people I know didn't love it. It is a beauti
	ful animation\, simple\, a little crude\, but an uplifting story\, has fun
	. I just wish it had humanoid characters instead of the nonhumans. I have 
	aesthetic desires. Call them biased\, negatively or positively\, but they 
	are true for me. If I was in control of disney\, which I am not\, the lion
	 king has humanoid characters. the princess and the frog has a human princ
	ess the whole movie and the male lead is a frog. And comprehend I 100% get
	 the lion king or the princess and the frog. I think they both have lovely
	 elements. Both have for me\, lame elements. but that is art \n\n\n\n	\n\n
	\n\n	Wanna know one of the changes when Murphy was hired? The love interes
	t went out the window.\n\n\n\n	Just thought you should know.\n\n\n\n	+\n\n
	\n\n	On this date in 1984\, \"Beverly Hills Cop\" premiered in Los Angeles
	.\n\n\n\n	In 1977\, Paramount executive Don Simpson came up with a movie i
	dea about a cop from East L.A. who transferred to Beverly Hills. Screenwri
	ter Danilo Bach was called in to write the screenplay. Bach pitched his id
	ea to Simpson and Paramount in 1981 under the name \"Beverly Drive\"\, abo
	ut a cop from Pittsburgh named Elly Axel. However\, his script was a strai
	ght action film and Bach was forced to make changes to the script\, but af
	ter a few attempts the project went stale. With the success of \"Flashdanc
	e\" (1983)\, Simpson saw the Beverly Hills film as his next big project. D
	aniel Petrie\, Jr. was brought in to rewrite the script and Paramount love
	d Petrie's humorous approach to the project\, with the lead character now 
	called Axel Elly\, from Detroit. Producer Jerry Bruckheimer claimed that t
	he role of Axel Foley was first offered to Mickey Rourke\, who signed a $4
	00\,000 holding contract to do the film. When revisions and other preparat
	ions took longer than expected\, Rourke left the project to do another fil
	m.\n\n\n\n	Sylvester Stallone was originally considered for the part of Fo
	ley. Stallone gave the script a dramatic rewrite and made it into a straig
	ht action film. In one of the previous drafts written for Stallone\, the c
	haracter of Billy Rosewood was called \"Siddons\" and was killed off half-
	way through the script during one of the action scenes. Stallone had renam
	ed the lead character to Axel Cobretti\, with the character of Michael Tan
	dino being his brother and Jenny Summers playing his love interest. Stallo
	ne has said that his script for \"Beverly Hills Cop\" would have \"looked 
	like the opening scene from 'Saving Private Ryan' (1998) on the beaches of
	 Normandy. Believe it or not\, the finale was me in a stolen Lamborghini p
	laying chicken with an oncoming freight train being driven by the ultra-sl
	imy bad guy.\" However\, Stallone's ideas were deemed \"too expensive\" fo
	r Paramount to produce and Stallone ultimately pulled out two weeks before
	 filming was to start. Two days later\, the film's producers\, Simpson and
	 Bruckheimer\, convinced Eddie Murphy to replace Stallone in the film\, pr
	ompting more rewrites. Besides Stallone and Rourke\, other actors who were
	 considered for the role of Axel Foley included Richard Pryor\, Al Pacino\
	, and James Caan.\n\n\n\n	Murphy\, John Ashton\, and Judge Reinhold improv
	ised most of their comic lines. Literally hundreds of takes were ruined by
	 cast members\, actors or the director laughing during shooting. During th
	e \"super-cops\" monologue\, Ashton is pinching his face hard and looking 
	down in apparent frustration. He is actually laughing. Reinhold put his ha
	nd in his pocket and pinched his thigh really hard\, trying to prevent him
	self from laughing.\n\n\n\n	my thoughts\n\n\n\n	hahaha I knew you would me
	ntion that:) In defense \, look at the amount of rewrites this project too
	k on. I don't deny that the white writers took out the love interest when 
	eddie came in\, ala eddie murphy's desire for love interest in boomerang a
	nd coming to america\, but you read what stallone wanted to do... part of 
	me can imagine stallone's. bless karl urban for his judge dredd. The reali
	ty that it took all of these rewrites and development drama for murphy to 
	get the job is telling in itself.\n\n\n\n	+\n\n\n\n	 well concerning the 
	issue of black heterosexual activity in films \, the issue is not about on
	e film right 🙂 it is about patterns or lack thereof . In the case of fi
	lms financed by whites in the usa\, a pattern displaying an absence of bla
	ck heterosexual activity in films financed or written or directed by white
	s is clear to see. And can only be denied by the dishonest. You know my th
	oughts\, the question is always how to fix problems. In my view only black
	 produced films will provide the width of black characterizations that is 
	absent in white produced films. I don't think white produced films will ev
	er expand black characterizations in any robust way. In one film here or t
	here? yes\, but not enough to ever make a pattern. \n\n\n\n	 \n\n
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