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SUMMARY:Who is We? and the International Parity
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DESCRIPTION:The problem with perception is how important it is financial
	ly.If you are black in the usa and you view the black populace in the usa 
	as home\, then regardless of the condition of the home\, you expect a path
	 to excellence\, but here lies the problem\, Fiscal activity in an antagon
	istic environment toward you while supportive to others isn't equal so emb
	racing said place as home is like accepting a prison as a home.How is livi
	ng in prison financially wise?URL https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12748-made-in
	-china-why-is-it-considered-usa-adversary/#findComment-81602MY COMMENT@Tro
	yOn 5/18/2026 at 7:45 PM\, Troy said:Most telling is that China gives us T
	icTok\, but don't subject their own people to that trash...this is a lie\,
	 i am fortunate enough to communicate to chinese who live in china\, tikto
	k and the greater social emdia is very popular there\, you like many other
	s forget\, china has near two billion people. yes\, a section of those peo
	ple are all engineers\, in the same way a section of northern italy is the
	 most technologically advanced community on earth in the same way\, a sect
	ion of populace in the usa is very educated... but the majority is not the
	 minority in any country\, this extends to brasil\, india\, russia\, all c
	ountries today from the fiscal poorest like a somalia or hait rto the weal
	thiest like a sweden china usa monaco have a majority that is poor and not
	 as positive compared to aminority that is advantageous and has alot f pos
	itive metrics.On 5/18/2026 at 7:45 PM\, Troy said:We are becoming increasi
	ng dependent upon them not just for labor.who is WE ? are native americans
	 in the usa a part of WE? are black descended of enslaved people who have 
	been in an unhappy antagonist environment their entire lives\, whose paren
	ts and parents parents and parents ^3 and parents ^4 and parents ^5 and pa
	rents ^6 who lived their entire lives in an unhappy antagonist environment
	 a part of WE in the past or currently?I comprehend the black people in th
	e usa or english colonies that preceded it for their views\, the JAmes For
	ten disease.James Foten\, Clarence Thomas\, Yourself Troy\, Frederick Doug
	lass all @ProfD all have this USA is home view points\, regardless of the 
	condition of a majority of black people in modernity or historically\, for
	 all of you\, the usa is home and regardless of how many other black peopl
	e oppose that view or their reasoning you keep making public Declarations 
	of unity for the black populace in the usa with the only view forward bein
	g a hope that one day it will be functionally true.On 5/18/2026 at 8:57 PM
	\, ProfD said:It is to point out the obvious gaslighting US leaders do to 
	keep Americans dazed &amp\; confused into believing China is an adversary.
	Profd your being too short. the gaslighting is global. during the war bett
	ween ussr + usa\, people in the ussr saw photos of new york city's downtow
	n manhattan and said that is the usa. they didn't see the whole regions of
	 the south without running water.. People in africa to this day still run 
	to france\, but don't realize the banliues of the big cities like paris ar
	e run down and decrepit n different than the slums of lagos or joberg. all
	 the countries are crap: usa/russia/china/england/japan and all other coun
	tries including israel/haiti/iran/ singapore.. all countires today have a 
	majority of mostly fiscally poor unhappy people in an antagonist environme
	nt that are lorded by a fiscally potent \, militaristically dominant minor
	ity. the only difference between the minrorities is who can be the bigger 
	bully.COMMENTARY AFTER05242026 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12748-made-in-ch
	ina-why-is-it-considered-usa-adversary/#findComment-81610@ProfD 3 hours ag
	o\, ProfD said:the ridiculousness of adversarial relationship between USA-
	Chinawar is ridiculous? no... peace side war will always exist\, neither i
	s good or bad\, either take infinite forms\, and neither ever end. 3 hours
	 ago\, ProfD said:The fundamental question remains what are they doing to 
	force change.based on your logic every prisoner in a prison should be tryi
	ng to escape. Doing something to attempt to force change does not deny the
	 quality of environment warrants a negative critique. 3 hours ago\, ProfD 
	said:Considering that people continue procreating &amp\; bringing more liv
	es into a poor existence suggests that being poor isn't too bad.it is natu
	ral for all species\, all children of earth to be fruitful and multiply no
	 matter the environment\, to restate\, being fruitful or multiplying has n
	o relationship to the quality of environment\, humans ... all species/chil
	dren of earth will do that as long as they exist. 3 hours ago\, ProfD said
	:It's like a sport.no it isn't \, a sport\, whether chess or basketball\, 
	by default\, never has the consequences or prosequences that war or peace 
	has.05262026 https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/738-who-is-we-and-the-inter
	national-parity/?tab=comments#findComment-175 hours ago\, admin said:What 
	is eating at you man?Nothing is eating at me. In the forum I have always s
	aid the black populace in the usa is a collection of tribes\, disimilar fr
	om each other \, which is a heritage\, what is carreid from the very infan
	cy of the usa.James Forten was a business owner\, black\, fought alongside
	 whites colonist who aided or abetted in the enslavement of black people \
	, to initialize the usa.Harry Wahsington was enslaved to george washington
	\, James Forten's general and leader\, and fought against the creation of 
	the USA and lef tto Nova Scotia and then to Sierra Leone.The ninety percen
	t of black people enslaved to white colonists who remained enslaved after 
	the usa was initialized. who i am 100% certain hated whites and the usa as
	 James BAldwin admitted to his father\, who retained said black folsk disl
	ike of whites and dislike of the usa or absent desire to be part of the us
	a\, . I paraphrase\, my father never once spoke ill or attacked a white ma
	n and hated white people to the bone to the day he died.And Frederick Doug
	lass\, Clarence Thomas\, Michelle Obama\, Clarence Williams\, STanley Couc
	h \, You \, Michael Jordan are all in the spirit of James Forten. That is 
	ok. No crime\, but I must admit that there is no WE in the black populace 
	in the usa\, and never was\, and i think it is important\, because it is t
	he truth. And i think the truth is always warranted.05252026 MY ENLARGED T
	HOUGHT3 hours ago\, admin said:\"a Lie\" Whoa\, hold on there buddy! Those
	 are strong words. The reality is that TikTok does not exist in China. I d
	on't know who are are talking to in China\, but if they ask for money -- r
	un.\n\nByteDance runs a completely different app in China with much strict
	er regulations designed to educate Chinese under 18. Under 14 you can ony 
	use it for 40 minutes a day. No we get the \"trash\" with the infinite scr
	oll of stupid videos keeping kids locked in for hours a day.From what I ha
	ve seen of Douyin\, I don't see it as different\, same service\, there are
	 creators and interesting people but there are also influencers and conspi
	racy folk and various other neagtive online agents on there. I don't see a
	ny difference. Tiktok is merely a continuation of DOuyin. all websites wit
	h a global structure have aregional customizations.3 hours ago\, admin sai
	d:What is eating at you man? Putting me in the same category as Clarence T
	homas... that is almost as bad as calling me a liar.\n\nFirst where do YOU
	 choose to live? That by definition is your home. It is disingenuous to ra
	il against other across centuries not less about what they call home. this
	 country is my home and I will fight to make it better. You can disagree b
	ut until you are living somewhere other than the \"good ole USA\" your adm
	onishment falls flat.Nothing is eating me\, it is simply a truth of the po
	pulace of Black people in the usa whose forebears were enslaved. in the us
	a or the english colonies that preceded it.You\, frederick Douglass\, clar
	ence thomas\, James Forten\, millions of other black people are not mirror
	s to each other\, but you all share a few traitsall of you are in the usa 
	because your person or your forebears were forced to these lands by whites
	 as british colonies or the usa itself.all of you have chosen to view the 
	usa as your home regardless of the condition of the majority\, the most\, 
	of black people in the usa or the english colonies that preceded it \, in 
	which said condition is hell by white terror.all of you reject in some for
	m or fashion any black descended of enslaved philosophy that doesn't match
	 your allegiance to the usa : forten rejected by arms the anti white colon
	ist position of black people enslaved to whites or black people who fought
	 against white colonist fighting aside white europeans \, each against the
	 idea of the usa \, Frederick Douglass or Clarence Thomas or You \, Troy\,
	 reject by prose the Black people who through their actions or words are s
	tateless while living in the usa. All three of you and the many other blac
	ks like you\, suggest any black person in the usa that doesn't claim the u
	sa as home as false in their thinking. You may find it an insult to be phi
	losophically aligned to Clarence thomas in parts\, but you are. And both o
	f you are aligned to frederick douglass. Forten literally shed blood the w
	hite colonist who enslaved nearly all the black people who fought alongsid
	e said white colonist ot make the usa begin. That's you TROY! Frederick Do
	uglass spoke ill of the exodusters because these are black people who woul
	d never trust whites\, spoke ill in various tones or strengths of black pe
	ole who fled to jamaica/haiti/ anywhere they could to get as far away from
	 the usa or the whites of the usa. That is you TROY! Clarence Thomas calls
	 the usa home and regardless of the condition of black people does so. Tha
	t is you TROY! and many others.I am not criminalizing you Troy\, you may t
	hink I am. I mention James Forten to explain that Black people who call th
	e usa home have always existed these two hundred and fifty years or more. 
	My point is that Black people who don't call the usa or the english coloni
	es it came form home have existed just as long. The two heritages are of a
	 people who never wanted to be in these lands of the FIRST peoples\, commo
	nly called native americans. But the two heritages the two tribes can neve
	r be a WE. and the use of that word WE is the problem.James Forten wasn't 
	in a WE with Stephen Bluke. Frederick Douglass wasn't in a WE with MArcus 
	Garvey. Garvey was never jamaican. he left jamaica because it wasn't a hom
	e. He told black people to leave the usa cause it isn't a home. Home for G
	arvey is the correct definition. Home isn't a place where you live. If tha
	t is the case\, a prison is a home. The slave plantation is a prison for B
	lack people. the sharecropped land is a prison. Black urban regions are pr
	isons. Garvey saw home not as a place that needed to be changed\, but a pl
	ace that loves you without you needing to do a thing. This is why so few c
	hildren have a home\, they live in a residence with their parents\, but to
	o few children in humanity are home. Home don't need to be improved. Home 
	don't need to be changed. Garvey comprehended this But Forten\, Douglass\,
	 Clarence Tomans\, you\, all feel home is a place that needs to be worked 
	on to be bettered. so for all of you \, home can be a prison\, a hell hole
	\, but by you living there it is home.Ok\, I don't mind. Again\, James For
	ten to me is the patron saint of the black statian\, the black person whos
	e forebears were enslaved who calls the USA home. a business man through a
	ll the uneven of negatively biased challenges setup by whites\, a peaceful
	 integrationist to whites\, which is mandatory\, embracing the usa at its 
	very infancy even though he knew most black people hated the whites in the
	se lands and hated these lands. But that is allegiance\, that is devotion\
	, that is claiming the usa for oneself as a Black DOSer.OK\, but no WE exi
	st in the black populace.And with the coming of the willing black immigran
	t of modernity in huge numbers it is to your tribe in the villages advanta
	ge even. As a female member of the forum once said\, she likes the black i
	mmigrants\, and it makes perfect sense to me.Whereas many\, historically m
	ost\, Black DOSers will always be anti white + anti usa\, black immigrants
	 in modernity have chosen to come to the usa. they have nothing they can c
	omplain about. All DOSers including even James Forten can always say\, I d
	idn't want to be here\, because our forebears were forced to these lands a
	nd time will never change that.You see my position as insult. I simply see
	 a proper labeling of the collective condition of the black populace in th
	e usa which I argue is needed.I think too few black children... in all hum
	anity in all earnest\, but i will stick to the usa\, are not told the trut
	hs that black adults know.The UA has always been anti black. I can't recal
	l how many black adults admit this\, even to black children. yes JAmes For
	ten's have always existed\, but the majorty of black peple enslaved has to
	o. Tell black children they will have to embrace the usa to change it\, bu
	t explain to them what that means\, that means embracing whites\, which th
	ey may not want to do.Explain to black children that the black populace of
	 the usa is full of so many different typs of black people that it is not 
	simple gathering us together because we don't want the same things.I have 
	never liked the usa\, or embraced it as a home\, it has never been a home.
	 My interactions with law enforcement alone is enought o prove that.But\, 
	while I have my own plans and ways\, I am not a prosyletizer. I am not loo
	king for people to join me. The black people i know\, some personally \, o
	thers as personal acquaintance\, who left the usa to live in various parts
	 of the caribbean\, south america\, france\, africa\, prove that many more
	 black DOSers I dont't know make the journey away from the usa. Some find 
	a home. Some simply settle for another place to lay their head that isn't 
	a home.But\, black people are not a WE05082026 https://aalbc.com/tc/events
	/event/738-who-is-we-and-the-international-parity/?tab=comments#findCommen
	t-19@TroyOn 5/25/2026 at 8:59 AM\, admin said:did you do any research on T
	icTok and China\, or are gonna ignore that?I didn't ignore your words\, bu
	t i have nothing to say on that. I am not here to proselytize . I despise 
	proselytizers. That issue is at the simple point of you have your source o
	f information and I have mine. You have stated your conclusion to what you
	 know\, I stated mine. what more is there to say? I can't think of anythin
	g. I am not interested in changing your mind.so... if you want to call my 
	muteness on that topic being ignorant\, that is your choice\, but I can ac
	cept when nothing can be said anymore by me. I don't always\, but i do som
	etimes.On 5/25/2026 at 8:59 AM\, admin said:Conflating all of these people
	 (Frederick Douglass\, Clarence Thomas\, Michelle Obama\, Clarence William
	s\, STanley Couch \, You \, Michael Jordan are all in the spirit of James 
	Forten) you are painting with a very broad brush. That shortcut ignores is
	 easy and avoids nuance which leads to false conclusions.I do think all of
	 said people in said list\, have a common speech/position regardless of th
	e variousness in other thinkings. It is a conflation as all of said folk i
	n my view\, share a common idea. and an idea that matters in the larger co
	ntext of the black populace in the usa or the european colonies that prece
	ded it.On 5/25/2026 at 8:59 AM\, admin said:Your rejection of the we ignor
	ed the fact that the \"we\" is responsible for all human progress. If is b
	uilt into us\, sure in can also lead to conflict but ethnicities and civil
	ization would be impossible without it.what does it mean to be human? well
	 ok\, I comprehend your position. I can say that 100% 05282026 Who is We? 
	and the International Parity - RMCommunityCalendar - African American Lite
	rature Book Club@Troy  3 hours ago\, Troy said:Richard\, you called me a l
	iar (deliberately trying to deceive) for saying TikTok was not available i
	n China. I was not proselytizing\; it is just a matter of fact. What else 
	is there to say\; have you considered\, I'm sorry?a liar isn't based on de
	liberation\, it is based on function. A liar is someone who lies whether t
	hey intend to or not. It interesting that you think a liar is only one who
	 wants to deceive . As for what you keep linking to \, I refute that as ev
	idence of change between douyin and tiktok . But I am not in the mood to e
	xplain. You believe what you want\, and I am not interested in changing yo
	ur mind to anything. And lastly  \, there is no need for sorry for I was n
	ot rude\, i was truthful and the truth hasn't changed. 3 hours ago\, Troy 
	said:others call America home and concludes we are all the same -- a notio
	n I reject\, because it is demonstrably false\, but that is your opinion.i
	t isn't false\, i explained how you are all the same and it is the truth. 
	You may dislike or oppose it\, but it is the truth . And nothing has dispr
	oven it. All of you have shared the same prose that proves what aspect of 
	each of you is the same. But again\, I am not interested in proselytizing.
	 You reject it\, ok. No problem\, but there is nothing to talk about 3 hou
	rs ago\, Troy said:I'll disagree with you and call America my home and not
	 a \"prison.\"IT isn't a disagreement. I never said any of you or those li
	ke you from the past or in the future don't have the right to call the usa
	 home. My point is those who don't call the usa home whose forebears have 
	been enslaved have always existed \, like me\, as well\, and have as equal
	 a right to their position.  And as said two groups have a deep problem hi
	storically in making a collective action by blacks\, it is problematic tha
	t black people like you keep saying  things like the following 3 hours ago
	\, Troy said:Your argument was land much stronger if in fact you were actu
	ally making it from somewhere in west Africa.land stronger\, again\, that 
	is the language of proselytization. My arugment is the truth\, it isn't ab
	out changing minds or landing stronger or proving to those who disagree/di
	slike it . 3 hours ago\, Troy said:What you also overlook is that no natio
	n is without strifethat is what you think\, interesting. Again\, black peo
	ple like you who call the usa their home from james forten to you to those
	 in the future\, keep suggesting black people who don't have some ignoranc
	e or dysfunctional position.  No nation/country or government started exis
	ts absent the complete plethora of human life\, which range from the most 
	positive to the most negative. This is about calling a place home. this is
	n't about the existence or nonexistence of strife \, which in my mind has 
	nothing to do with calling a place home. 3 hours ago\, Troy said:Where are
	 you gonna go?Not australia. 
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