BEGIN:VCALENDAR VERSION:2.0 PRODID:-//InvisionCommunity Events 5.0.18//EN METHOD:PUBLISH CALSCALE:GREGORIAN REFRESH-INTERVAL:PT15M X-PUBLISHED-TTL:PT15M X-WR-CALNAME:RMCommunityCalendar NAME:RMCommunityCalendar BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:Europe/London TZURL:https://tzurl.org/zoneinfo/Europe/London X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/London BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0000 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:BST DTSTART:20260329T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0000 TZNAME:GMT DTSTART:20261025T020000Z RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD END:VTIMEZONE BEGIN:VEVENT SUMMARY:Democratic Socialist- Mamdani part 2 DTSTAMP:20260624T061303Z SEQUENCE:0 UID:762-7-c3fe8195a3dde498d013e477e2142422@aalbc.com ORGANIZER;CN="richardmurray":noreply@aalbc.com DESCRIPTION:In part 1 I assessed Mayor Mamdani's laws in the legislative bodies of New york city.https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/363-zohran-mamd ani-legislation/As mayor he supported three members of the democratic soci alist against members of the party of andrew jackson who are not.Darializa Avila Chevalier defeated Adriano EspaillatBrad Lander defeated Dan Goldma nClaire Valdez defeated Antonio ReynosoWhen I look at Mamdani I see a cont inuation from Obama through Schrumpf.Obama who couldn't win an illinois se at focusing on the black vote\, won by splitting the black and white vote and that led to support from very wealthy donors which undid Hillary Clint on's run.As president Obama was brilliant at speaking\, commercials\, adve rtising\, appearance but was woeful as a legislator\, a maker of laws. the laws he made were not only poor but dysfunctional.Obama inspired a bunch of people who are what I will call\, aracial americans: OCasio Cortez + Or lhan and others do commercials for certain cultures but in truth are Stati ans\, of the usa. They are more comfortable in the multiracial malaise of racially mixed zones of cities in modern USA than the racially aligned zon es that afix most of the usa.Ocasio Cortez and others\, prompted laws in c ongress but none of them were able to get the support of the majority in c ongress\,Then Schrumpf did what Obama did in the party of andrew jackson a nd broke through the methodology in theparty of abraham lincoln. Where Oba ma \, focused on splitting all the phenotypical votes and focusing on the aracial voters\, usually younger. Schrumpft \, ignored the hawks\, calling for isolation\, ignored the christian\, admittedly calling for pussied to be grabbed\, and focused on the poor end of the fiscals\, by touting amer ica first.Schrumpf like AOC before him and Obama before her\, is a poor le gislator.Now\, more will join AOC in the congress\, and from my standing t he speeches will get more sharp\, the polish of appearance will be great\, but the legislation is more deadlocked than ever. So\, I don't see any ne w laws coming from the congress of the usa unless\, a coalition is made be tween the anti schrumpt + democratic socialists in the congress. But with lobbying I don't see how. the jewish lobby is the biggest loser and the de mocratic socialist + many schrumpt + ant schrumpf folk\, seem very disinte rested in supporting israel.As I said with Obama\, and AOC\, and Schrumpft \, I said with MAmdani and his local crew. What are your laws and if your laws are impotent \, which means don't get results\, that will lead to a negative reaction among the common folk. And\, then they participate less and less. The most important thing to note about the elections in the dink ey primaries was these were low turnout. It wasn't that a majority of peop le voted. It is that\, a minority voted\, but that minority vote was split . Which means\, the voters are looking at these candidates carefully and a ny failure will be problematic.INFOhttps://www.npr.org/2026/06/23/nx-s1-58 68676/mamdani-nyc-primaries-progressive-dsaFORUM POSThttps://aalbc.com/tc/ topic/12801-dsa-2026/CONTENTMamdani and the democratic socialistIN AMENDME NTDid you know in 2024\, the populace of the 13th congressional district w as deemed 747\,542 while the complete vote for the election\, donkeys plus elephants was 217\,622. That means 29.11 % of the people voted.In the don key primary election that just passed\, Chevalier had 32\,790 votes while Adriano Espaillat had 30\,464 which means as central harlem\, a third of t he 13th congressional district has 300\,000 people\, twenty percent of a t hird of the 13th congressional district voted. Does that mean\, Chevalier represents the people of the 13th congressional district? Or does that mea n the Democratic Socialist movement is all media hype and no true reaction from the masses?AFTER READING THE COMMENTS BELOW AND SEEING IN HINDSIGHTM ost in this group saw the rise of Mamdani\, especially as a democratic soc ialist. Though only I connected his style to that of Schrumpf + Obama. For I don't see any difference between either of them. All three are very goo d at media campaigning\, the key to getting elected\, but none are actuall y good at legislation. The problem Obama+AOC+SChrumpft+MAndani+Chevalier a nd all their peers have is ... I will not say. But\, the elected official who doesn't do the one thing they all do\, will open a true can of worms\, completely inevitable or foresightful at this point.IN AMENDMENT 2@LupeTo ddMedinayour well spoke in@InsideCityHalli think the democratic socialist of america seem to have a similar agenda as the tea party or maga movement \, to get rid of the long standing folk in government for new faces\, reg ardless of the bureaucratic outcome. https://x.com/Thetenner10/status/2071 745583769850294COMMENTS TO DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM2016 this was said by @Pion eer1Bernie Sanders says some good things but too many of his supporters ar e pushing Socialism...or what many of his supports call \"Democratic Socia lism\"....which will not work for Black America because too much socialism will make our people lazy.\nI've seen too many talented Black men and wom en who grew up thinking they could \"slick\" their way through life by hus tling and pimping the system until they could somehow get a social securit y or disablity check for a few hundred dolllars....then they're satisified .\nBut in a properly managed economy\,  if they were pushed to use just H ALF of the good sense God gave them many of them would be millionaires by now.\nOn the other hand we don't need unbridled Capitalism either because it will lead to the type of exploitation and despotism you see brewing in the United State today that locks so many poor AfroAmericans out of the ec onomy and creates a \"permanent underclass\".\nSOME things that people dep end on for their very livelihood like healthcare and education should be s ocialized.\nOther things should not.\nI'm not hating on Bernie.\nI think h e'd probably be a better President from a domestic policy point of view th an Hillary and I KNOW he'd be better than Trump.\nBut we have to learn tha t what works for OTHERS will not necessarily work for us.\nWhat we need as AfroAmericans is a system uniquely designed BY us...FOR us\; and if not i mplimented by a Black politician in an executive position such as Presiden t or Governor....atleast whoever does get in office while respect our agen da and integrate it into his/her Administration.citationhttps://aalbc.com/ tc/topic/3678-this-or-that/#comment-164112022 thsi was said by @StefanThe Democrats are about to get their backsides waxed in this year's midterm el ections. Several mistakes are to blame and most are unforced errors.\n1) T oo many Black people remain ignorant of what Critical Race Theory actually is. It's not Black History\, although many well-meaning Black folks claim that it is. And sadly\, they cling to this errant view on social media.\n But Critical Race Theory is NOT Black History\, which is a collection of t ruths and facts. Theories are simply suppositions.\nI will maintain that C RT is taught only at the university level not in grade\, intermediate or a ny high schools.\nThe problem lies in that few have come up with a ONE SEN TENCE description of exactly what Critical Race Theory is.\nMost who try t o explain it employ 50-cent word verbiage which average readers in the U.S . have a hard time understanding since most read at a 7th and 8th grade le vel.\nOthers dance around it claiming: \"Oh\, it's been around for 40 year s and such and such.” Long-winded explanations do little to clear the ai r.\nSo\, I fashioned a one-sentence retort that can be shoved in the face of CRT detractors.\nBecause the GOP and its supporters have been killing u s on messaging while we've gleefully surrendered the intellectual landscap e by choosing to scream dumb chit such as \"Defund the Police!\"\nOh\, yea h\, what a winning slogan that was.\nHere is my one sentence description o f CRT:\nCritical Race Theory is a premise that posits skin color and race determine the outcomes of most decisions\, laws and behavior in the U.S.\n That's it! That is the one sentence description. And this one line should have been tossed back at those White racists who have been skewering us wi th attacks on the social term \"woke.\" This is why we have lost the Mess aging War. And CRT is going to be used by millions upon millions of racist and angry Whites\, Latinos and some Blacks to clobber the Democrats at th e polls in November. \n2) Refusal to acknowledge Bernie Sanders' push for so-called Democratic Socialism has failed miserably.\nFar too many folks are still drunk on Bernie's Kool-Aid. I keep running into folks who swear the solution to everything is Socialism. As if this canard of economic bel ief has been successful in any modern society or nation. However\, by list ening to this aged clown Bernie\, AOC and her merry band of knuckleheads t hrew in all their social wants and desires into the Build Back Better bill \, completely guaranteeing that no one\, except maybe Kim Jong-Un\, would go for it. The bill had to be reworked a few times before the House took a vote.\nThat's why it failed. BBB contained too too much\, would cost too much and proved far too ambitious for most legislators and pundits. But yo u can't tell Bernie Bots anything. They truly believe they were sent from on high to rule. Yeah\, okay. \nIn addition to having a new Voting Rights Bill fail\, Black people are now going to have to contend with even more Red states preparing their own voter suppression laws. \nGotta hand it to all those dumb-azz 2016 third party voters. By denying Hillary Clinton th eir votes\, they enabled Trump to squeak by in enough states to win him th e White House. I doubted Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg would have survived t he first term of whomever won in 2016. She didn't. And this gave Trump a c hance to appoint three toadies to the Supreme Court. \nI believe more tha n 10% of Bernie Bots voted for Trump in 2016. Some news outlets peg it hig her. Even if most return to the Dems this year\, we're still going to lose in November.\ncitationhttps://aalbc.com/tc/topic/8362-the-gop-blowout-is- coming/#comment-49238from 2022 from @anonymous50 Is it possible for an in dividual\, not politician (because most of them are well off anyway)\, to believe in Democratic Socialism when they are financially successful.                                Sure\, when a person is finan cially struggling\, Socialist programs are very appealing. For example. po liticians like Bernie Sanders\, Elizabeth Warren\, and AOC promise free co llege tuition and socialized healthcare that won't bankrupt an individual when they get sick. In some instances very progressive candidates  promis e to abolish student loan debt\,  which can be very devastating to someon e who owes such debt. They also promise higher taxes on the rich to pay fo r these social programs.                                 But\, to the dusty* who remains in poverty this does not matter.                                  They look upon the rich as havi ng too much anyway.                                 Part of it is class envy and the other part is realism.  The so-call 99 percen t who look at the extremely wealthy 1 percent class with their palatial ma nors\, Rolls Royces\, private jets\, yachts\, and access to some of the mo st beautiful women in the world know that all of these luxuries are beyond their reach in this lifetime.                                I know some  would call this a poverty mindset.                                Most people don't have the drive\, amb ition\, skills and patience to become rich.                                The paths to riches are limited anyway. Most star t up businesses fail after a short period of time. You stand a greater cha nce of being struck by lighting twice than winning the lottery. Many get-r ich-quick schemes advertised in the mail\, online\, or TV(infomercials) do n't work. Only a small number of Pookies and Ray Rays from the hood  who aspire to become rappers or baller are successful. People who go to Hollyw ood to find themselves seldom become the next big movie stars.                                So\, the poor dusty who struggles f rom paycheck to paycheck to barely put food on the table looks at the astr onomical wealth and toys the 1 percent has and thinks \"why should  they not be willing to have their wealth redistributed to help those who are le ss fortunate.\"                                 But\, whe n a person is able to lift themselves out of poverty and become wealthy\, is he or she still willing to give up a certain percentage of income throu gh taxation to fund the programs that person once relied upon when he or s he was destitute?  Some politicians would like to impose a 40 percent tax rate on the well-to-do.                               *To use online urban vernacular\, a dusty is a man(usually a black man) who i s low quality\, poor\, broke\, and has no ambition                                citationhttps://aalbc.com/tc/topic/9335-an- affluent-democratic/from 2025 from @ProfDThis young man\, Zohran Mamdani\, is the breath of fresh air the Democratic party needs.  Mamdani's posit ions on social and justice reform\, city services\, Israel and Jews\, etc. \, may be considered radical.  He makes it no secret that he's a diehard Democratic socialist. I believe his connections to a wide cross-section o f people (FBA/ADOs\, Muslim\, Arab\, African\, Hispanic\, Asian\, etc.) an d affiliation with the Hip-Hop community among others will propel him to b ecoming the most popular candidate on the ballot.Regardless of whether or not Zohran Mamdani is elected mayor of NYC\, he actually has a plan for ho w he wants to run the city.  Mamdani's plan could be a blueprint for the Democratic party to overtake the GOP. 😎citationhttps://aalbc.com/tc/to pic/11698-if-you-want-to-know-more-about-mamdani/#comment-74720from 2025 f rom @Mel HopkinsIf the NYC mayoral race were a novel\, I'd deconstruct its architecture. From one election to the next\, the narrative appears to sh ift away from focused policy debates\, instead centering on the influence of religious groups. The major religious factions—Christian nationalists \, Muslims\, and Jews—each appear to compete for cultural and political dominance within the city.\nAmid this religious competition\, the African diaspora in the U.S.—a powerful and often underestimated voting bloc—c ontinues to be overlooked and taken for granted by both the candidates and the dominant religious groups.  \nIt sometimes seems as though these com peting religious groups neglect the African diaspora’s influence. Ironic ally\, the roots of these religions trace back to African science-based sp irituality\, yet this connection receives little attention in political or religious discourse.\nThis dynamic played out in Election 2024: Christian nationalists—including evangelists\, southern Baptists\, and likely Cat holics—rallied strongly behind DJT. Media and external influencers shift ed the conversation away from local policy and toward polarizing internati onal issues\, like the U.S. stance on Israel and Palestine\, further affec ting how voters chose among domestic candidates.\nWhen reviewing 2025 elec tion results\, I noticed Mamdani was not the only Muslim elected\, which r aises the question of whether heightened coverage of Gaza led to greater s ympathy and increased Muslim representation—a trend potentially extendin g into the midterms.\nDon’t misunderstand—I bear a grudge against all religions. Religious study should bring wisdom\, spirituality\, and growth \, yet it often has the opposite effect. Religions lead to violence instea d of joy and peace. Add patriarchy\, and it’s chaos.Returning to the sto ry's structure: Is this a narrative of democratic socialism rising in the heart of Wall Street? Consider Manhattan—the FINANCIAL CAPITAL OF THE WO RLD—and its boroughs. Is the city that never sleeps really ready to move from capitalism to social ownership? Notably\, NYC is the largest propert y owner according to Curbed.com\, and the mayor administers these assets. Perhaps social ownership is the underlying story arc behind recent shifts. \nSo\, in this story—call it Project 2025 (S)—the central figure is a young millennial poised to challenge the reigning power and reclaim Manhat tan for the people. Behind the scenes\, religious struggle\, human traffic king disguised as immigration reform\, and pervasive surveillance set the chaotic stage for change in the city.  \nMeet the Muslim and Arab America ns who won in US local elections\nJews vote for Andrew Cuomo over Zohran M amdani in NYC mayoral race | The Jerusalem Post\"In addition to the Jewish vote\, Mamdani lost the Catholic vote by a significant margin: 53% suppor ted Cuomo and 14% backed Sliwa\, against 33% for Mamdani.A decisive 75% of voters with no religious affiliation supported Mamdani.\"\n\nHere's a p ast look at Manhattan when DJT began buying up NY property in the early 70 s(?) a look back at Palestinians\, Israel\, Libya\, etc.  https://aalbc. com/tc/topic/12023-nyc-mayral-thoughts-a-conclusion/#comment-77398COMMENTA RYhttps://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82131https://aalb c.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82131@undefinedI don't know whe re i conflated. I mentioned democratic socialism or democratic socialist \ , please quote me where I mentioned socialims alone or stated any elected fficial was advocating socialims.and for the record\, I didn't say the fol lowingCritical Race Theory is a premise that posits skin color and race de termine the outcomes of most decisions\, laws and behavior in the U.S.that was @undefined whom i quoted as saying the prior. I have nothing I wish t o say on that.and I am happy the affordable care act has worked out well f or you. It hasn't for all\, or most\, and was never going to\, based on it s construction.@undefinedSuch a politician has not existed for a very long time since money has run national politics for several decades.I argue mo ney has run the elected officials for the entire history of the usa\, the founding fathers were the wealthiest or well connected white male slaveown ers from each state. Money has always been the biggst influencer in the us a government. In my view\, it will always be in the future. The key from a monetary perspective is when various financial actors are battling each o ther\, which happens more often than people realize. Yes\, the fiscally we althy in human nhistory rarely like to add new members or desire new membe rs added BUT\, the fiscally wealthy in human history have always battled e ach other.Nice point\, wasn't what I referred to as the thing not done\, f or the record\, but good point\, i only oppose your temporal limit on the power of the fiscally wealthy in the government of the usa.But\, the elect ed official who doesn't do the one thing they all do\, will open a true ca n of worms\, completely inevitable or foresightful at this point.@undefine dFirst\, Barack Obama did not “fail to win an Illinois seat by focusing on the Black vote.” He was already an elected Illinois state senator whe n\, in 2000\, he unsuccessfully challenged longtime incumbent Congressman Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary for Illinois’s First Congressional District. Losing one primary to an entrenched incumbent is not proof that Obama lacked political or legislative ability.When did I say Obama lacked ability? I said\, and i quote what you quoted from mewon by splitting the black and white voteI said he won\, how is that stating he is lacking abil ity. I said he failed and how he failed\, which you admitted is true with the following.he unsuccessfully challenged longtime incumbent Congressman Bobby Rush in the Democratic primary for Illinois’s First Congressional District.So why are you asking me for evidence to something that you know is true. HE failed and the reason why is obvious. but he succeeded afterwa rd\, which is what I said.Now\, I will ask you a question.Do you want me t o imitate sucking obama penis with my prose? considering your response to this post\, the only answer you can have is yes. And I Will reply\, I Am n ot going to imitate sucking obama's dick with my prose.Reducing Obama’s campaign to speeches\, commercials\, wealthy donors\, and appearances miss es the central innovation: it built a decentralized civic movement in whic h millions of ordinary people became organizers\, fundraisers\, community leaders\, and co-authors of the campaign’s meaning. (Obama's Lost Army)A gain\, you call it a reduction which suggests it is making him a lesser th an. I am speaking truth\, you can call it a reduction\, but I didn't say h e didn't succeed and in my original point\, I said he formed coalitions sp litting the votes of two groups. so I don't know why you suggest the follo wingSuccessful candidates build coalitions.as if i don't know that when if others besides you read my words\, maybe they will realize i stated he wo n by forming a coalition by spltiting votes. And in the history of the usa \, the types of coalitions are not the same\, that candidates build and so metimes\, a successful candidate doesn't need to build a coalition.That is called campaigning. It is not evidence that he somehow “undid” Hillar y Clinton’s rightful possession of the nomination.i didn't say him\, I q uote what I saidand that led to support from very wealthy donors which und id Hillary Clinton's run.Notice for anyone who can read\, what I wrote was \, support from very wealthy donors undid hillary clinton\, not obama.I mu st ask Mel \, why you misread me so much? And not just you @undefined can' t read my prose\, you can't read \, none of you people seem to be able to read my prose. Now clearly\, I don't write well or at least convey well en ough\, and I accept that\, but in the future\, I need to embrace that the second my prose is misread\, not to reply to a misread of my prose.Cause i t is silly on my end. You have said the followingI said Obama lacks talent .I said Obama undid Hillary ClintonI said \, straightly or unstraightly\, Obama's campaign was to be ridiculed or diminished.Before the quote from y ou.Now to the allegation that Obama was “woeful as a legislator”For me \, all of that is lies. I didn't any of those things\, but you clearly rea d them.Now to the laws.You are correct\, it would be more robust or compre hensive to go through a list of laws + executive orders as president \, Ob ama \, from illinois state senate to president\, initiated or supported or signed. And\, it is important to distinguish laws that he didn't initiate but supported\, like the affordable care act\, which is Nancy PElosi's no t hit. But\, I admittedly\, wasn't interested in spending the time to do t hat. And as such\, anyone can dismiss my position for the absence of compr ehensive. But I stand by it.Ledbetter is BArbara Mikulsky's not Obama's. Y es\, he signed it\, but that wasn't hit.And I already mentioned the afford able care act was nancy pelosi\, not obama\, which i have said in this for um many times.And I repeat myself\, my uncomprehensive claim can be dismis sed on its lacking comprehension. Many people love the evidence or proof o f the statistical charts or the paper trail\, and I didn't provide that no r was I going to. But I stand by my position.As for the affordable care ac t\, a college friend of mine\, a black woman with a child who was never go ing to get insurance until the affordable care act. was beyond exuberant\, which I have said in this very forum\, but the affordable care act is dys functional legislation.Dysfunctional legislation like functional legislati on will always have those who benefit from it. All laws have beneficiaries \, no matter what they are. From white jewish germans going to concentrati on camps which gave money to gas makers and concrete makers\, to the affor dable care act\, which gave many financial institutions news veins of prof it alongside expanding the insurance industry to those blockaded from it.a nd a fourth false claim from you\, I quote youI also personally obtained h ealthcare benefits through the Affordable Care Act\, as did millions of ot her Americans. You cannot erase the people who benefited from a law merely by declaring the entire law a failure.I am erasing the people who benefit ed from the affordable care act because I call it a dysfunctional law.IT i s interesting\, when you or troy or others make your posts. I never claim such grandiose. I may oppose what you say\, but I never expand my oppositi on to such things. why do you all do that to me? answer that explicative.. . pleaseI don't want to convey a gentleness\, I hope I succeeded.And if Ma yor Zohran Mamdani can be as consequential for New York City as President Obama was for the United States\, then New York may be well positioned to preserve its standing as one of the world’s leading cities.Well. Obama i s what led to Schrumptf so... based on Obama \, I think NYC will be the la rgest most potent city in the usa\, as it was before or after mamdani\, ga rdless of mandani/adams/di blasio\, the same way the usa is the most power ful militaristic force in humanity before or after obama\, gardless of oba ma/biden/schrumfpt \, but the quality of leadership post mamdani if obama is any historical indicator of value will be\, a chaos agent. And I don't see how that will be positive for nyc. Luckily for NYC \, the demographics of NYC is in some ways\, wider than the usa while in other ways narrower than the usa.If you cannot identify the law\, explain the defect and provi de factual evidence of the result\, please do not tag me merely to repeat a political impression.Ahhh\, I wish you would had said this from the begi nning.I didn't tag you to repeat a political impression. I tagged you and all others \, though you may not have seen that\, cause those are your wor ds and i didn't want your words on the issue to be considered mine\, which has happened in the past in this forum\, and which i failed at because @u ndefined confused one of the peoples i tagged's words as mine anyway.Now t he good news is that I usually don't quote others in my initial posts\, bu t i did this time\, simply because it was warranted. But I have learned ne xt time I quote you i will mention your name without tagging you. I have t o admit\, I wanted to say something more negative or abrasive at the end\, but forget it.COMMENT LINK https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#fin dComment-82357@Pioneer1 your correct \, but Obama had a problem.Obama fear ed non blacks having any evidence that he acted preferentially to blacks. again\, if you look at the modern heritage of black electe officials in th e usa\, starting from the ten years after 1865 \, commonly called reconstr uction\, black elected offcials of either party have never had a black age nda. This is why I stated what has never happened in the governmental hist ory of the usa is a black party of governance. But\, it seems many financi ally common black people are not interested in that idea\, because most bl ack people \, not merely the fiscal wealthyist\, black one percent\, but m ost employed black people are frightened of losing the wealth that comes w ith white allowance/patronage/acceptance. and a black party of governance will create a support for anti black actions in the white populace\, which will hurt the individualism movement that most black elected officials hi storically support.So\, to rephrase\, obama's agenda was maintaining the i ndividualism concept in black elected officials in the usa\, the longest h eritage that transcends the donkeys or the elephants.Now to your point\, O bama could had kept his pan human position while helping black people but the problem is\, obama was never that good of a legislator\, again\, aidin g all the races in amultiracial mix while having term limits and elected o ffices isn't easy. IT takes a level of quality that is simply rare.@aka Co ntrarian I don't think pioneer chagrins the library. I think it is even to say that Obama didn't help the majority of black people\, the financial n umbers show a greater financial loss among black folk in the usa\, while t he black wealthy have grown in wealth tremendously. SO Obama did help the black one percent\,. or a minoirty of black people in the black populace o f the usa. And this is why I try to emphasize what obama was really good a t \, and i only wish more black people greater in the media would admit it .\, which is being an inspiration. It doesn't help pay the bills or makes people feel safer about their possibilities tomorrow\, but inspiration has value. Obama\, AOC\, Mamdani\, and yes\, even SCrumpft\, all play the ins piration game well\, none of them inspire all but they each know how to in spire sectors of the usa populace very well\, which is how you get elected .My point has always been to speak honestyly of obama\, not creating any m yths. even though it seems myths are inevitable in the usa.COMMENThttps:// aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82419@ProfDOn 7/6/2026 at 1 :42 PM\, ProfD said:While there have been several Black movements in the U SA dating back to slave revolts &\; Exodusters &\; Pan Africanism &a mp\; Civil Rights\, etc.\, a majority of Black folks have not embraced any one of them.true \, but two questions exists. First\, could a majority of black people join any movement in the usa? pre war between the states we were enslaved. The seminoles originally was a collection of first peoples/ native americans + a collection of Black DOSers/escaped slaves or free fol k\, fighting the usa in florida. Frederick Douglass was alive and young ad ult when the seminole wars against the usa was going on\, which ended only a few years before the war between the states started\, and lasted about thrity years. So how could a majority of blacks join on the side of the se minoles in the seminole wars? But a thirty year movement even if only acce ssible to a minority of black people I argue can be considered embraced by the majority who could embrace it\, meaning free folk. After the war betw een the states... No movement has ever been thirty years. the usa federal government kicked garvey out. the black panthers were infiltrated/manipula ted/subterfuged/attacked by white power. How could the panthers live to th irty years when fred hampton could be assasinated by the chicago law enfor cement like that.Again\, your correct\, but white power is real and before 1980\, at least my view\, white power used all of its resources to underm ine black communal activity\, and was usually or eventually succcesful\, a nd it wasn't from a lack of desire of blacks to embrace\, but resources ma tter and power matters.On 7/6/2026 at 1:42 PM\, ProfD said:Along similar l ines\, starting a political party in the USA has been a non-starter becaus e Black folks vote predominantly Democratic for many decades now &\; co unting.but before the party of andrew jackson it was the party of abraham lincoln. I argue it is more even to say that black voters have voted as a block to at least one party since allowed by whites/non blacks to vote\, t hough as with all demographics overalll voting percentages or quantities a re down over time.And\, strategically I think your being short\, as a blac k woman told me years ago\, the modern reality \, which started in the lat e nineteen hundred and sixties is that many black people don't live in bla ck voting zones. Between black people who don't live in black districts\, which is ever increasing since the 1960s + blacks who live in black distri cts in white states\, which has been the case for al blacks in the usa sin ce the end of reconstruction\, the legal environment made a black party of governance an entity that can't exist across the whole black spectrum in the usa\, geographically.As I have said in this very forum\, a black party of governance in the usa\, has 100% possibility in black counties\,\, the largest municipal zones that are majority black. So I argue\, it is a non starter but based not on black voting patterns but the environment of the usa. I mean\, that is why what whites called the napir of american race r elations occured. Whites wanted to make sure not one state in the usa was majority black and killed black people until it happened. And that violenc e was the source of the so called great migration\, not economy which blac k people for some reason keep lying about.On 7/6/2026 at 1:42 PM\, ProfD s aid:The largest movement to which Black folks belong is Christianity. Unfo rtunately\, religious folks aren't overly interested in power &\; self- reliance &\; autonomy.Religion is an opiate that keeps Black adherents transfixed on toiling in life towards meeting the sky fairy &\; taking up residence in heaven when they die.really? here is the problem\, christi anity in the black populace in the usa is a five hundred year old social e ngineering scheme by whites\, Black enslaved people starting circa 1492 we re made christian and christianity was peddled every year since then by wh ites down the throats of a majority of black peple till 1865. so... you sa y we are apart of christianity like black people are christian by choice a nd not an inheritance from enslavement. And what is may point? does that m ake black people crhisitan or merely a people maintaining a heritage start ed from their own enslavement?From a participation standpoint\, many DOSer s have left christianity and religion for a long while. They still believe in a god/great spirit/divine\, but I think most of the religious fervor i n hthe black populace in the usa comes from post 1965 black immigrants fro m here or their moreso than black dosers.COMMENThttps://aalbc.com/tc/topic /12801-dsa-2026/#findComment-82426MY COMMENT@undefined \n\n\n\nReads like the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks are stuck in a infinite loop of impri sonment within the system of racism white supremacy.\n\nInteresting I know you view the opposition to black folk globally or in every land under eac h government is centered on a system based on white supremacy. It's disman tling or destruction in your view is the path to freedom for black folk an ywhere in humanity. \n\nI also know you view the usa as a best option coun try. Beyond whether the usa is good or not\, liked or not\, by those livin g in it\, your point is that\, even if a black person was born in a small black town still being terrorized in 2026 by the local whites\, the usa is a better option for that descended of enslaved than any other government. \n\nSequentially\, you use the word stuck. \n\nAll your points have posit ive value or truth. White European descended people sometimes\, not all th e time\, coordinate against non whites or non white europeans.. Many peopl e in humanity\, gardless their phenotype\, love the individualism of the u sa. The usa is the country where the individual can defeat the group. Wome n in religious strict homes or communities can be lesbians or start busine sses or live by themselves. Blacks whose entire clan have a negative bias to whites can marry a white person. The usa as the center of a global empi re\, started at world war two by franklin deleanor roosevelt\, is the best place to be for the fiscally wealthy and has opportunity\, albeit more an d more fleeting for the fiscally poor \, and in either case\, rich or poor \, definitely in comparison to most other countries. \n\nI comprehend your point\, but I think the usa as an environment is the problem. Not from wh ite supremacy but the simple design of the government. \n\n\n\nThe history of willing immigration in the usa proves it works overall for willing imm igrants . Yes\, willing immigrants starting wth the first illegal ones who landed on plymouh rock but if any group in the usa has a non financial gr ievance\, the usa can't handle it because it was never designed to or to c hange and be able to. ala the first poeple / native americans or the black /DOSers situation. The best parallel are the lower castes in india. India when it was created\, wasn't designed to handle the greivance of the lower castes and so\, the caste survives while the country upholds the law to p rotect the individual. \n\nWhat can the usa do about non monetary grievanc e? what can non blacks do\, even if they want to hel blacksp\, about non m onetary grievance? \n\nI argue nothing and never will be able to\, and eve ry sean bell only reinforces the non monetary grievance for current ro fut ure generations. \n\nUSA can change more than any other government in huma nity\, but not enough to heal the wounds that are older than itself\, betw een its oldest residents. \n\n\n\nI believe the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks have some type of religious &\;/or spiritual belief. It is the o piate\, coping mechanism to deal with their existence.😎\n\nas james bal dwin said\, his father and the other members of his fathe'rs church prayed ot god for the damnation of whites. his father hated whites but never onc e spoke ill to them . \n\nhis father like many black people live with ahat e to the usa or to whites of the usa\, which is to be honest\, heritage. \ n\nRemember profd\, what it seems so many black folk in the usa don't seem to realize\, when the usa was founded\, whites cheered but blacks were no t happy. Most black people knew about what the english offered\, in terms of freedom\, the creation of the usa was a hateful day for blacks\, that i think many modern black people stemming from the 1900s have tried to reim agine for their convenience. But whites in the usa constantly remind black people of the sincerity of that hate. And I repeat\, JAmes Forten was a b lack successful business owner who fought for the creation of the usa. and I think he had a faith that the usa will eventually change to a place whe re all black people are free. \n\nbut james forten like the modern black o ne percent or honstly pro usa black folk are a minority in the lack popula ce. And yes\, the black militants\, like the commonly called black loyalis t who sought violence against the whites of the eventual usa were also ano ther minority\, \, larger in number\, smaller in fiscal power\, but a majo rity of black people at the founding of the usa were enslaved people who p rayed for the english to win\, as whites in the usa fought hard to keep th em enslaved while fighting the english to be free of the english. And on t h historical result\, it lead to a eep hatred that whites have kept releva nt for 250 years.PRIOR THOUGHTS IN COMPLETION firstReads like the majority of FBA/ADOS Black folks are stuck in a infinite loop of imprisonment with in the system of racism white supremacy.Interesting I know you view the op position to black folk globally or in every land under each government is centered on a system based on white supremacy. It's dismantling or destruc tion in your view is the path to freedom for black folk anywhere in humani ty.I also know you view the usa as a best option country. Beyond whether t he usa is goodor not\, your point is that\, even if a black person was bor n in a small black town still being terrorized in 2026 by the local whites \, the usa is a better option for that descended of enslaved than any othe r government.Sequentially\, you use the wor dstuck.For me\, descended of e nslaved black people in the american continent [ canada to argentina] do h ave a unified heritage of oppression in the american continent to the non blacks of the americas. But I don't think that oppression is based on whit e supremacy as much as white suppremacy is one of the tools of said oprres sion. Nor do I think whites in the american continent or globally are orga nized enough to suggest their oppression warrants the term system.I also t hink each government in humanity is unique and the situation of DOSers of Jamaica is not the same as DOSers of Brasil or DOSers of the usa.To the us a\, I think the problem is the environment of the usaa. what do I mean. be fore the usa was founded black people wer eenslaved to whites in european colonie. Then the usa becomes founded and black people are still enslaved to whites\, but now instead of a european crown\, it is a colonial busines sperson.Why does this really matter?James Forten fought for the usa to be born with the idea that it can be changed into a positive place for black people. As barack Obama once said\, fix it\, don't break it.Your very pros e in this community\, shows you feel the Black DOSer must try to change th e usa or the usa can be changed fto black betterment. and black people nee d to get engaged to the usa system for that change to happen.But\, my poin t is\, the usa can't change the way black dOSers need. In the same way the USA can't change to what Firs t Peoples or Native Americans need.IN AMEND MENTIt is true that whites of european descent have acted in a unified or organized or systemic fashion for centuries. But for me\, whites of europe an descent aren't cofunctional enough\, and moreover\, for me \, each coun try is their own. Yes\, intergovernmental actions occur and social groups can or do function within various government with a singular purpose.But w hen I think of the descended of enslaved I see a black people from canada to argentina. And each country has their own situation\, even though regio nal generalities exist.In the USA's case\, the regional [canada to argenti na] generality is that each country from canada to argentina in whatever f orm it took\, had or has a black populace who were completely enslaved to whites.But to my prior point\, the problem is the relationship of blacks t o non blacks in the european colonies or the usa born from them\,PRIOR THo ughts in completion second@undefinedReads like the majority of FBA/ADOS Bl ack folks are stuck in a infinite loop of imprisonment within the system o f racism white supremacy.Interesting I know you view the opposition to bla ck folk globally or in every land under each government is centered on a s ystem based on white supremacy. It's dismantling or destruction in your vi ew is the path to freedom for black folk anywhere in humanity.I also know you view the usa as a best option country. Beyond whether the usa is good or not\, liked or not\, by those living in it\, your point is that\, even if a black person was born in a small black town still being terrorized in 2026 by the local whites\, the usa is a better option for that descended of enslaved than any other government.Sequentially\, you use the word stuc k.All your points have positive value or truth. White European descended p eople sometimes\, not all the time\, coordinate against non whites or non white europeans.. Many people in humanity\, gardless their phenotype\, lov e the individualism of the usa. The usa is the country where the individua l can defeat the group. Women in religious strict homes or communities can be lesbians or start businesses or live by themselves. Blacks whose entir e clan have a negative bias to whites can marry a white person. The usa as the center of a global empire\, started at world war two by franklin dele anor roosevelt\, is the best place to be for the fiscally wealthy and has opportunity\, albeit more and more fleeting for the fiscally poor \, and i n either case\, rich or poor\, definitely in comparison to most other coun tries.I comprehend your point\, but I think the question is\,Can the usa c hange in a way to make it a positive place for the majority of black peopl e\, which is never happened before?James Forten\, Frederick Douglass \, ML K jr.\, Barack Obama\, and yourself argue the UA can change to be a positi ve place for a majority of black people. I argue the usa can not change to be a place of prosperity for a majority of DOSers or Majority of First pe ople./ native americans.The reason isn't white supremacy but a weakness in the design of the usa itself. The usa is a country designed for willing i mmigrants\, not indigenous people or enslaved immigrants. The change abili ty of the usa doesn't argue\, how to fitx the past. It arguses how to chan ge the future. And that is enough fr willing immigrants\, as each willing immigrant populace in the usa or the european colonies who preceded it has shown. But back dues don't work. The Usa argues back dues of a non financ ial nature\, have no remedy but need to be accepted as a civil act of citi zenship.The problem from JAmes forten to various folk i mentioned to now. Most DOSers whether they admit it in media or not\, want the revenge and t he usa can never change to give that revenge. Not from white supremacy but from the way the usais designed.COMMENT 07102026 https://aalbc.com/tc/top ic/12801-dsa-2026/page/2/#findComment-82443info@undefinedTo what other cou ntries should the Black person born in the USA flee?I am not giving a coun try I think a Black DOSer should go to alone or in a group\, for themselve s or actually for the village\, but I can say that to each continent I kno w a Black DOSer from the USA who left the usa to happiness for themselves. Nothing can be done to heal mental wounds. No apologies or money will ever be enough.I argue it isn't mental wounds but spiritual wounds.my extended @undefined \n\n\n\nThe destruction of the system of racism white supremacy will free non-whites &\; whites too.\n\nso the people black or non bla ck who are profiting under the current order of things\, whether a system or by chance are not free? or are they human to you? \n\n\n\nThere is a re ason the USA has a diverse of mix of people. Immigrants from every corner of the planet\; some risk their lives to come here.\n\nyes\, the reason is far simpler\, the usa was born from the english colonies\, the english co lonies were not financially profitable compared to the french or spanish i n the caribbean. the biggest business of the colonies was land acquisiton which morehonestly is the killing of native americans and taking of their land\, which in the english colonies before the usa was founded was a mult icultural set of whites from europe. The usa is born from the english colo nies. the english colonies are the source of the multiracialist in the usa today \, new york alone is a proof\, when the english took new amsterdam they didn't kick the dutch out but invited them to stay\, that is multirac iality\, not phenotypically\, but heritagewise plus linguistically. Histor ically the reason for the usa's makeup is very simple. the heritage of imm igration is older than the usa itself\, it stems from individuals coming t o the usa for their individual betterment\, with soft communal connections . the whites in europe ha sstrict countries but in the usa\, germans/engli sh/dutch/french lived alongside each other as neighbors in municipalities\ , unlike in europe. From the first english illegal immigrants before the e nglish colonies to whomever is coming to the usa now\, the reasons have al ways been the same\, individual betterments\, gardless of the populace the y were from. And wisely\, no other country of power has ever openeed itsel f to the kind of immiigraiton the usa has and modern immigration isn't fro m the founding it is from the 1960s as a result fo the commonly called col d war \, what i call the third white european imperial global war. the uni on of soviet socialist republics global strategy was for each governments poor people to rise up and make socialist republics toppling the one perce nt in each country. the ussr was winning that war\, so the usa had to make a counter strategy\, their answer was the 1960s laws\, the civil rights a ct to provide some levels of allowances for blacks/women/jews that could n ot be closed\, which is why said groups have more wealth todday than befor e in the usa\, the voting rights act so that the regions of the usa where whites were willing to allow non whites levels of prosperity could do it\, and the immigration act of 1965 to allow the flood of poor aoutside the u sa to come in\, which would create a constant stream of labor willing to w ork under the market value which the governent would allow by not penalizi ng illegal immigrants by putting them in jail and destabilizing many count ries by creating a populace of financially beholden foreigners who will su pport the usa for their financial desires while undercut the countries the y come from by maintaining a class of people living off of remitance who a re able to survive in the country so will suppor tregimes the usa puts in while oppose those who want to make real change.... Most whites in the usa were completely against all three laws\, most blacks in the usa were comp letely against all three law as well. just for the record\, so it wasn't d one for white unity or some form of white supremacy\, I repeat\, a majorit y of whites in the usa were opposed to all three laws. The white one perce nt\, did it for themselves\, not the larger white populace. Time has prove n the blacks or non blacks who opposed all three laws correct. The civil r ights act used the black populace surviving whte terorr to empower whites who were unwilling to go against the system\, meaning white women or white jews The voting rights act didn't undo the damage of white terror unto th e black voting base\, which is why black people fled the southern states i n the first place. Blacks didn't flee the south for money \, they fled bec ause whites terrorized blacks at every turn so that blacks realized the so uth was a land of no opportunity in anyway for black people. Laslty\, the immigration act deleted the labor union movements of blacks and whites by flooding the usa with cheap laborers willing to work under market rate or outside labor unions for their own personal gratifications. The immigratio n act also flooded the usa with a horde of more cultures or heritages abse nt having settled the problems between the native america/ the black DOS/ the white european descent so modern usa is more mixed than any collective in human history and without any possibility of finding a center\, outsid e a fourth war between the peoples in the lands now called the usa\, the f irst being the commonly called independence\, the second the commonly call ed 1812\, the third the commonly called civil war ending in 1865 . \n\n\n\ nTo what other countries should the Black person born in the USA flee?\n\n I usually answer this question in this forum\, which you have asked multip le times\, with I will not say. But this time I will give another answer. I know Black DOSers who have left the usa to the following countries: jama ica/france/japan/South Africa . So I repeat I am not giivng a country I th ink a Black DOSer should go to\, but I can say that in every continent bla ck individuals have left to happiness. the american continent outside the usa\, europe\, asia\, africa. \n\n\n\nThat is one aspect of the USA people find attractive. There is more to the USA that draws people from all over the planet to it.\n\n\n\nYeah\, and the only aspect that has historical c onsistency. Everything is are temporaries that are not true from the europ ean colonial period circa 1492 to 2026. I repeat Individual allowance is t he only historically consistent reason people have come to the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. everything else are temproaries that a re not consistent from circa 1492 to circa 2026\n\n\n\n\n\nOpportunity mak es the USA most attractive to people around the globe.\n\n\n\n\n\nyes indi vidual opportunity. Not just opportunity\, opportunity comes in many forms . It is specific\, the usa has never bettered any community or collective. \n\n\n\nMost of the people born in the USA &\; certainly not the immig rants who come here really know &\;/or care about how the country stole n &\; built with several hundred years of slave labor.\n\n\n\nMost peop le don't know &\;/or care about how the government was designed either. \n\nin 2026 i am 1005 certain this is true\, the biggest proof is voting p atterns\, again\, if you look at voting patterns in the usa\, it is clear all demographics\, i reepat\, all demographics are disengaged from voting. That proves they don't believe in the usa system as something they can ch ange or will change based on the majority of the people\, so they don't be leive in the usa\, that many who talk about the usa in media suggest the u sa is. \n\n\n\n\n\nThat's why immigrants keep showing up. If Black folks b orn in the USA were to leave\, those same immigrants would gladly take the ir place under the system of racism white supremacy.\n\nyes but as individ uals\, that is important\, it works because they are willing to immigrate and be about themselves as individuals. it isn't a collective harmony. As someone who lived in nyc i can tell you\, many immigrants may wave a flag for some country outside the usa when some independence day occurs but mos t have a negative relationship to the larger populace of pepople from the country they immigrated from. And that is the usa way? again\, the kansas nebraska wars that preceded the war between the states prove this. MEdia c reates the idea that immigrants are communalists or collectivist\, i argue the reality is immigrants in the usa are individualsist to proud to admit it and hide behind a impotent showing of communalism. \n\n\n\nThe USA cou ld offer 1-way tickets to any country of choice to persons with a non-mone tary grievance &\; who want to leave.\n\n\n\nEven better\, those indivi duals can buy their own plane ticket &\; sky up outta the USA. Nobody i s stopping them.\n\nHistory shows the policy of the usa is to raise the co st of leaving the usa. Their is a legal process to leaving the usa\, it re quires payment\, it is not free\, and the federal government raises the pr ice near annually. I don't know where this idea that people can just leave the usa for free comes from. Laws exist for this to be done and with the international legal environments it is unadvisable to not follow the law. \n\n\n\n\n\nNothing can be done to heal mental wounds. No apologies or mon ey will ever be enough.\n\nI argue it isn't mental wounds but spiritual wo unds. Wounds in the bloodline\, as some say. \n\n\n\nLike many others\, th ose Black folks who hated white folks found a comfortable spot under the s ystem of racism white supremacy &\; made the most of their lives.\n\nJA mes BAldwin's whole point was that it isn't comfortable. It is interesting you think James BAldwin's father was comfortable. That is an erroneous po sition to me. In your mind\, a person is comfortable while in a daily bind of hate and numbing routine. \n\n\n\nBlack folks in the USA know they can not undo its history.\n\nWhy did you say this? What in my words usggested anyone black is trying to undo history\, anywhere? It isn't just the usa w ere blacks were enslaved to whites completely. My point is black people ar e lying about the relationship the majority of black people have to the us a or the european colonies that preceded it. \n\nI have never said the usa wasn't founded. I have nevrer said some black people didn't fight for the usa to exist. BUT\, the relationship the uncontested majority of black pe ople had to the usa at its founding was not love or hope but lament or des peration\, while completely shackled. \n\nTo restate\, it isn't that black people are trying to undo history but they are lying about black history. JAmes Forten's viewpoint was not the viiewpoint of an unchalelngeable maj ority of black people from 1492 to the 1960s. I Argue from 1960s to day\, the majority of blacks are still the same\, but it ins't in the ninety or eighty percent but in the sixty to seventy percent with so many black immi grants from the caribbean/africa/asia who are akin to nonblacks in their r elatonship to the usa\, not Black DOSers. \n\n\n\nUntil Black folks do som ething about that hate\, they are in a holding pattern of finding a comfor table spot under the system of racism white supremacy.\n\nAgain\, i really despise you calling people comfortable who are in pain\, i find it insult ing in all earnest. I can imagine you telling a black child that doesn't k now about history that black people in the usa or the european colonies pr eceding it have been comfortable the whole time. \n\n\n\nJames Forten had choices...1) live the best life possible under the conditions or 2) overth row the government or 3) flee to another country or 4) kill himself.\n\nTh e wording of 1) and 3) are dysfunctional or vague. \n\nI argue no one can get two human beings to concur on what the best life possible looks like o r is defined. 2)3)4) are all well defined\, but 1 ) is a vagueness. \n\nyo u use the word flee\, it is historically known\, some black people immigra ted to monrovia\, as free peoples who owned business\, they were not indiv idually unhappy\, but they couldn't stand the majority of black peoples un happiness\, so they wanted to go somewhere where the majority of black peo pel are not under local a non black boot. I prefe rusing the word immigrat e. Or having an adjective with it. y enslaved forebears were immigrants bu t were unwillingly enslaved immigrants. I know it is more wordy but again\ , I hope you are not speaking to black children about black history like t his. \n\nYou are msising many other choices\, \n\n5) live unhappily waitin g to die naturally\, that is james baldwins father\n\n6) become an agent o f non blacks \, underrated how many blacks have done this. \n\n7) set up a black government in the usa\, this is the exodusters\n\n8) if the languag e of 3 must be then \, immigrate to another country not for individual nee ds but to be about a safer community\, thus wanting their best life under other conditions\n\nInteresting how you mention the choices 1) to 4) and n ot the others . \n\n\n\n\n\nThe majority of enslaved Black folks were give n religion to quell their hatred of &\; anger towards the white who ens laved them.\n\n\n\nInstead of joining with other groups who love to destro y white people\, Black folks are still using religion to deal with the exi stence of living under a system of racism white supremacy.😎\n\nI oppose this read of history. The majority of peoples in humanity adhere to relig ions\, that were handed down from their lineage which originally were forc ed unto most peoples\, including chirstianity in europe\, to grow the infl uence of churches. in every tongue has to confess by zora neale hurston it is clear\, that white religious groups circa 1865 were fighting to gain m embers to their churches from the Black DOS populace for political power\, not to quell hatred or anger towards whites. \n\n\n\nother groups \, like who ? can you name one of the other groups?COMMENT 07112026 https://aalbc .com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/page/2/#findComment-82452content@undefined \n \n\n\n\n\nFair enough. I know far more Black folks from other countries wh o find happiness here in the USA than I hear from FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS ex -pats living abroad.\n\n\n\nAll of my FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS enjoy visiting other countries &\; working in them for periods of time but they alway s come back to the USA.\n\n\n\nyeah \, remember\, the Black DOS relationsh ip to the european colonies or the usa or others like brasil or mexico or india isn't financial. Our forebears had their world destroyed and then th eir children lived under the manipulation of enemies for hundreds of years . Money can't repair that. What Black DOSers should be looking for isn't m oney but a home that was lost a long time ago. A positive\, overwhelmingly Black home. \n\nBlack Immigrants are looking for money. The USA is great at individual profiteering. IT was from the time of the european colonies to today. Robust Communities never survive in the usa\, even white ones\, individuals can always do well in the usa. \n\n\n\nPoint taken. I started to list physical &\; spiritual as wounds too.\n\n\n\nBottom line is dee p wounds never truly heal without some form of revenge.\n\n\n\nOtherwise\, people remain scarred for life &\; from one generation to the next. 😎\n\n\n\nAnd that is the battle in the modern usa. Although the followi ng is a crude summarization\, \n\nit boils down to those\, of all lphenoty pes\, who see the usa s empire\, enslaver\, white that regardless of its m edia appearance needs to embrace its historic truths\, which is strategica lly wiser\, at least from a historic perspective \n\nagainst those who see the usa as a country that can become a binder for humanity. They want to expand what the usa started as a strategy against the soviet union into so mething to unite all humanity\, which has never been achieved for obvious reasons\, but if successful can lead to an unprecedented era of healing. \ n\nEXTENDED COMMENT@undefined \n\n\n\nFair enough. I know far more Black f olks from other countries who find happiness here in the USA than I hear f rom FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS ex-pats living abroad.\n\n\n\nAll of my FBA/Afro American/ADOS enjoy visiting other countries &\; working in them for pe riods of time but they always come back to the USA.\n\nRemember one thing\ , Black DOSers relationship to the usa is a thing of enslavement\, in my m ind\, the desire to the leave the usa has never been about money but cultu re/heritage/community. Black Immigrants don't come to the usa to find a cu lture/heritage/community\, they already had that in the fiscally poor coun try they were in\, they left what Black DOSers should be looking for. To r estate\, the reason Black DOSers should want to leave the usa is not the s ame reason why Black Immigrants from outside the usa come into the usa. If you are form jamaica/nigeria/sri lanka\, you aren't coming to the usa for culture or community\, you are coming for one thing only\, the only thing the usa can offer\, individual financial betterment. But\, if you are a B lack DOSers in USA/Brasil/Mexico/Venezuela/India/Bangladesh/Pakistan you a ren't leaving for financials\, you are leaving. . or should be leaving for what none of those countries have\, positive plus dominant black communit y/nationalism/culture/heritage.. \n\nBlack DOSers had our freedom taken co llectively or as individuals\, communities destroyed sometimes annihilated \, Culture manipulated or mangled. . Money can't buy or repair or change t hose things. Getting a true Black potent community is not something easy\, no matter where one goes. Black DOSers aren't or shouldn't be looking for el dorado. We are looking for a home better than haiti under dessalines\, far better than quilomboes or gullah islands ever were. The white europea n jew has learned and continues to learn that money can't buy a home for y our people. The lesson any Black DOSer should had learned with freetown or monrovia. Getting a home for the individual self is a chalelnge but easy compared toa home for your people. But if you can get a home for your peop le\, as history has proven in moments\, like haiti under dessalines or hen rit christophe. These can be golden times for your people. But\, the times will fade cause to truly achieve a new home for any people is a task. \n\ nBlack Immigrants want money for their individual selves\, which is bereft or inaccessible in most countries outside their one percent. USA can help anyone looking for money for themselves. Like the hwites who annihilated the poor first peoples of the american continent\, they are looking for el dorados. The USA very nature is to be a place for individual financial pr ofit \, take land\, kill others\, step over others\, lie about your true i ntensions with others\, all of that is the way of the usa. In NYC alone\, i can tout tons of examples of immigrants hurting other immigrants for fin ancial profit. Hurting others for profit is the true nature of the usa\, a nd thus\, immigrants looking to make money will succeed. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nP oint taken. I started to list physical &\; spiritual as wounds too.\n\n \n\nBottom line is deep wounds never truly heal without some form of reven ge.\n\n\n\nOtherwise\, people remain scarred for life &\; from one gene ration to the next.😎\n\nTwo other ways exist\, a very kind heart\, very kind\, which is very rare. This is what Ghandi meant to india\, butI stil l think most indians don't comprehend it. \n\nthe other is true happiness. Having a truly happy life\, not a life of settling masqueraded as happine ss can do it. But these two things are so rare\, revenge is the common chn anel.COMMENT 071420267 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/page/2/#f indComment-82528PROFDOn 7/12/2026 at 9:15 AM\, ProfD said:The USA with all its warts &\; flaws is an FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS inheritance.We should never stop demanding reparations for the 400+ years of slave labor &\; atrocities committed against our forebears.maybe i miscomprehend what you mean by inheritance\, but if the usa is an inheritance for Black DOSers th en Brasil is also an inheritance for Black DOSers who were enslaved to tha t place? India is an inheritance for Black DOSers who were enslaved to tha t place? Aren't all the countries Black DOSers were shipped to an inherita nce to Black DOSers\, if the USA is an inheritance? and if not\, why not?I admit I don't see the usa as an inheritance because I know many black for ebears were opposed to it. I rather think Black DOSers have to choose our ancestors we honor. THe ancestrs like James Forten or the ancestors like C olonel Tye? I think James Forten wanted black folk in the usa to see/feel/ think the usa that way while in parallel\, but no less valuable\, colonel tye\, didn't want black folk in the former european colonies to see /feel/ think that way\, and to my own views vice versa. James Forten definitely w ould oppose my position while Colonel Tye would support.On 7/12/2026 at 9: 15 AM\, ProfD said:The USA is our home. It would take a great deal of time \, effort &\; resources to trace our lineage back to pick a part of Afr ica &\; establish ties there.Then\, it wouldn’t make much sense for F BA/AfroAmerican/ADOS to trade places with the Black folks who are leaving Africa for a better life in the USA.FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS are not welcomed into other countries unless they can afford to be there i.e. show up with a 💰 bag if they plan to stay for any period of time.All I can say to o pen is\, I accept with no difficulty or challenge a black person saying th e usa is the home of Black DOSers \, I also don't have any difficulty or c hallenge with a black person who says the usa isn't. Black DOSers have a u nique relationship to the usa\, that to be blunt\, isn't as simple or conv enient as everyone else who immigrated to these lands on their own volitio n whether illegal or not plus the native american who is a first peoples.I have said the followign before\, but I view my lineage in africa as conti nental.. Many Black DOSers talk about an individual tracing to a specific land\, which is applicable for individuals in the black dos populace. BUT& lt\; if you consider the Black DOS populace in the usa as a group\, not in dividuals\, then yu realize the whole continent of Africa is the lineage. do you comprehend? DOSers trace their lineage to all over the continent. I n the show \"finding your roots\" alone\, black DOSers guest have shown tr acing from senegal to madagascar so... it is the whole continent\, at leas t to me.Trade places interesting choice of words. I don't see how a person leaving for financial betterment\, which is not the only factor in life\, can trade with a person leaving for a true home. These are two things tha t ae not equal.On 7/12/2026 at 9:15 AM\, ProfD said:I would not advise FBA /AfroAmerican/ADOS to trade places with them.The USA is home for 50+ milli on Black folks who were born &\; raised here over many generations.It i s neither constructive or productive for a child born to dysfunctional par ents to find a better set.That child should grow up to live the best life possible despite the environment\, conditions &\; circumstances by whic h they landed on the planet.FBA/AfroAmerican/ADOS have survived &\; thr ived here in the USA despite our history. We are a unique group of people who have done great things &\; who continue to influence the world.😎 Again\, I don't see how a trade can occur when it is two different goals\, it isn't the same. the financial poor Black people in various lands of af rica have the home but are missing the money. the majority of Black DOSers don't have the home or the money.It is interesting how you view the actio ns of a group of people through an individual scenario. a child in a dysfu nctional home within one lifetime is how you view tens of millions of peop le in a country that has been dysfunctional for centuries . Very statian y ou are\, very statianWell \, let's be blunt\, no country on earth has a pr o immigration stance. BRexit occured because whites in england didn't want whties from eastern europe. Brexit wasn't about london. So your correct t hat Black DOSers aren't being welcomes but no country welcomes immigrants. Saudi Arabia doesn't welcome Indians or Pakistanis. The only difference b etween the usa and every other government in humanity\, isn't teh stance o n immigration\, all are anti immigrant. But the usa has a legal framework and a financial industry based on immigration that gives it a different to ne.How do you define a thriving individual? how do you define a thriving p eople? as I have said in this very forum\, if i gain a billion dollars tom orrow\, some may argue\, i have thrived in the usa. But\, that doesn't mea n the black populace in new york city has thrived. So how do you determine a peoples thriving? Is it defined through collective action or merely the presence of individuals in the group individually thriving?COMMENT 071620 26 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12801-dsa-2026/page/2/#findComment-82570 pre sented@undefined The USA was built on chattel slavery. 400+ years of free labor performed by Black slaves.the USA was built on genocide first and en slavement second\, never forget to mention genocide. Cause even though t he focus has to be on the first peoples who were murdered by whites of eur ope\, the murder of many enslaved peoples trying to be free was also of a high count. That's up to Black folks in those countries to pursue.Do Black folks have a legacy of building the economy of those countries over 400+ years?even enough all Black DOSers \, whether in the usa/india/brasil /mex ico/jamaica/ haiti/evuador or anywhere else have ancestors who related to the enslaving lands in all sorts of ways. So an individual can choose tho ugh groups or populaces can't act as an individual\, they are more complex . Again\, I don't know what you mean by a legacy of building the economy. When I tutored black children I never said black enslaved people help buil d the economy of the european colonies or the usa. I said black people wer e used by whites for whites to benefit and leave a positive financial lega cy to their white descendents. If you are asking\, were enslaved Black pe ople used by non blacks in usa/brasil/india similarly? the answer is yes a nd actually\, longer in brasil or india than the usa. Brasil has the oldes t slave post for DOSers in the american continent\, modern canada to argen tina. And India's\, india subcontinent meaning modern day pakistan/india/b angledehs\, habshis are arguably the oldest large \, meaning millions\, of Black DOSers in the world. Black DOSers were enslaved to Europe earlier b ut never in the millions. And to the near west asia bordering africa earli er\, but never in the millions as the desert peoples lifestyle + environme nt doesn't have the agrarian nature needed for a mass moving. Right. I wou ld slightly curious to see if FBA/AfroAmericans/ADOS can show up anywhere in Africa &\; be allowed to claim it as their homeland.well to clarify\ , my point is that the continet of africa is the homeland\, I don't thnk a ny DOSer from India/Brasil/USA or similar should claim one land in africa because the Black DOSers in each country Usa/india/brasil in truth have in dividuals from all over the continent. To restate\, Black DOSers in india don't just come from east african\, they come from madagascr\, they come f rom congo\, they come from the hausa in the west. if all the black descend ed of enslaved in india were to treat the the reality of the group\, the r eality of the group isn't the reality of an individual. The Blacks DOSers in brasil don't just come frm congo\, they also come from the swahili land s to the east\, the dahomey up north. The Black DOSers in usa don't just come from Dahomey\, they come from ethiopia [ before modern ethiopian will ing immigrants] they come from zululands in the south. My point is that t he rreality of the group Black DOSERs\, doesn't fit the reality of an indi vidual who is a Black DOSer.Finance seems to be a necessity in most countr ies one chooses to call home on this planet.this is true BUT the Black DOS case is unique. Black DOSers shouldn't be looking for money\, we lost a h ome. At least\, some Black DOSers are looking for a home. other Black DOSe rs have embraced the usa as their home. But\, the usa federal government a dmits more and more people financially able leave the usa each year. To re state\, teh usa has never had a decrease in the number of people who leave it from the 1960s to today. Now said people do have financial potency. Bu t they leave. And yes\, most Black DOSers don't have the money but the rea son why that is \, isn't magic\, that is the fianncial reality of being fr om an enslaved people in an opposing land. IT isn't laziness or stupidity or lack of desire. Power matters\, those without power have to move slower . EXTENDED IN TRUTH@undefined \n\n\n\nThe USA was built on chattel slavery . 400+ years of free labor performed by Black slaves.\n\nthe USA was built on genocide first and enslavement second\, both hand in hand. The federal government was attacking the ute [ incorrectly spelled] who lived in mode rn day washington state in the early 1900s. so\, like enslavement of black s the annihilation of first peoples preceded the birth of the usa and didn 't change with the birth of the usa. \n\n\n\nThat's up to Black folks in t hose countries to pursue.\n\n\n\nDo Black folks have a legacy of building the economy of those countries over 400+ years?\n\nThis is the key varianc e\, I know my forebears were enslaved but i don't view it as building the economy from my forebears perspective. \n\nAs for Brasil\, India ... I hav e to first say something that you may find insulting\, but your knowledge of DOSer history is very poor. \n\nBrasil had the first enslaved post in t he american continent\, did you know that? and second\, enslavement was th e primary element of financial activity in the entire american continent\, not merely the usa. mexico/brasil/argentina [ though the whites\, forebea rs of the modern argentines\, committed a mass act of genocide against bla ck folk so they were numerically erased] /jamaica/haiti/ecuador.... your q uestion of a legacy of building the economy I say no they haven't. but I k now like black DOSers in the USA or the european colonies that preceded it were enslaved and used for whites profit\, the same is true in mexico/bra sil/ecuador/argentina/jamaica/haiti/bahamas and all other places. \n\nAnd as for India\, India had Black DOSers before the entire american continent did\, from whites muslims doing what white christians did later. whole em pires used enslavement of blacks. Now\, was this a legacy of bullding the economyc\, I have to say no cause again\, I don't think enslaved people ar e trying to build the economy of where they are enslaved\, they are enslav ed to others benefit not themselves. \n\n\n\nI have to ask two questions\n \n1) do you think the usa was the only country in the american continent w th whites enslaving blacks? \n\n2) do you know the expanse to enslavement of black people taken outside of african by whites \, whites of various re ligious persuasions? \n\n\n\nNow I concur that all black DOSers are free t o interpret their individual relationship to any land their forebears were enslaved to\, not because of indivdidualism\, but because the ancestors o f black DOSers in India\, Brasil USA and all other countries come in all p hilosophical flavors\, even if a majority unquestioningly hated the countr y they were enslaved in. \n\n\n\n\n\nRight. I would slightly curious to se e if FBA/AfroAmericans/ADOS can show up anywhere in Africa &\; be allow ed to claim it as their homeland.\n\nwell you use the word allowed. what d o you mean by that? if by allowed do you mean invited? do you mean embrace d even if not invted? I know Black DOSers who have gone to south africa an d east africa and live there and have have friends from there who live the re. But I don't know if that means they were allowed. They were not financ ially broke. But only one government in all humanity accepts the fiscal po or and that is the usa and even that is with alot of conditions. \n\n\n\nF inance seems to be a necessity in most countries one chooses to call home on this planet.\n\n\n\nthis is true BUT the Black DOS case is unique. Blac k DOSers shouldn't be looking for money\, we lost a home. At least\, some Black DOSers are looking for a home. other Black DOSers have embraced the usa as their home. But\, the usa federal government admits more and more p eople financially able leave the usa each year. To restate\, teh usa has n ever had a decrease in the number of people who leave it from the 1960s to today. Now said people do have financial potency. But they leave. And yes \, most Black DOSers don't have the money but the reason why that is \, is n't magic\, that is the fianncial reality of being from an enslaved people in an opposing land. IT isn't laziness or stupidity or lack of desire. \n \nPower matters\, those without power have to move slower.\n\n\n\nMultiply the children born out of dysfunctional circumstances by millions.\n\nyeah \, your position here is pure hogwash for me \, I have never treated any g roup as an individual. A group is too complex to reduce into an individual s scenario. \n\n\n\nThriving as an individual &\;/or a collective havin g the ability\, capacity\, will\, desire\, etc.\, to make a better life th an the environment &\; conditions under which one was born would have a llowed.😎\n\ni asked how you define thriving as an individual and sepera tely how you define thriving as a collective. your answer is making a bett er life\, but a better life. The first thing is what determines a better l ife? I don't think humans are in full agreement to what that is. It doesn' t mean any individual is wrong or right\, but a better life for a group is complicated\, it isn't what one individual thinks. Profd\, if you have a better life as you define it\, that doesn't mean other black people will c onsider the same life as a betterment. I know some will\, but not all and maybe not most. And it goes hand in hand with me. If I have a better life as I define it\, it doesn't mean other black people will consider my bette r life as a betterment for themselves. Some will\, but not all and maybe n ot most. \n\nand again\, what is a groups better life? especially one as v ast as Black DOSers in the USA? \n\n\n\nIn contrast\, \n\nwhen I look at N YC's Black populace\, it truly shows our dialog as a living body. \n\nSome Black individuals with money or power\, never do anything for the larger populace\n\nSome black individuals with money or power\, do somethings for the larger populace.\n\nSome Black individuals without money or power\, a re fighting to change nyc as a part of the usa into a better place for the y view the usa as their home\n\nSome Black individuals without money or po wer\, are functionally stateless\, acting absent any inspiration or drive to the usa or anywhere else\, unconcerned to what non blacks with power sa y or what the usa says.\n\nAll of said individuals are part of Black Tribe s in NYC. Some of said tribes work side another tribe when possible. All o f said tribes have another tribe they can never work with or it would be s philosophical betrayal. \n\n\n\nIf the USA reaches five hundred years old \, which I fantasy gamble it will not\, considering the current trajectory \, I argue strict individualism will be the primary philosophical way of l ife in the usa. What do you think the majority philosophy will be? DTSTART;VALUE=DATE:20260624 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;INTERVAL=1 END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR