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A simple question , you can relate it to any law enforcement agency. I only repeat what law enforcement agencies need is someone to say they are needed while also corrupt. The problem with law enforcement agencies is too many wish to make them out to be honor guards or mythical comraderies when they are simply havens for mostly bullies or reared wrong or financially proud in the worst sense people who serve a necessary function when they are not killing, maiming, spitting, clubbing, violating, cheating, stealing.. or all the other many crimes or illegalities or negatives they are free from being penalized from including not incarcerating or giving testimony to other law enforcers when they act illegally or criminally which is called aiding or abetting, if you want to access the 590 page assement fo the nypd in 2020 from the ccrb then use the following link? https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2240&type=status

I quote @Rodney campbell concerning Bob Marley in italics. I never could embrace his leaf smoking cultural habits. Which became propagandized as being somehow a Jamaican normal behaviour. Which. At that TIME it was not. I respected his position as a spearhead for the black people. I respected his outright denouncement of the racial negativity. But thanks to propaganda the documentaries that focus on those aspects are few and far apart. Instead we have generations of leaf inhalers who have been convinced they are contributing to the black experience by being high. Like that is somehow a black thing. I was not interested in doing anything but honoring bob marley on his birthday. But now that it is past, Rodney's thoughts to me, lead to a very valuable issue in the Black community globally, which is not present straightly in his prose. And that is the issue of minority communities in the black community. I am not rastafarian. To be blunt, I think Ras Tafari , or duke Tafari, more commonly known by his appointed name, Haille Sellasie made tremendous errors as king of ethiopia. And my views towards ethiopia like haiti are particular. For anyone black in humanity who looks for inspiration based on black achievement in total opposition to non blacks, then haiti/ethiopia/karnataka are the rare examples of black achievement before the 1960s that is not within a white fold.<No black achievements post 1960 exist outside a white fold> So ethiopia is beyond haille selassie, and I don't think he earned the praise the ras tafarians gave him, though I think he should be praised for some things. But gardless what anyone black thinks of the ras tafarians in jamaica or the greater caribbean or greater still american continent the rastafarians are a minority community in the black community, and in Black history month I think one of the problems with the black community globally , while definitely in the USA is the relationship the black majority has to black minorities. The gullah of the carolinas /the creoles of louisiana/the rastafarians of jamaica are not the majority in the black community in those places but they each with other similars tend to have a cultural relationship that can be at odds with the majority in the black community about them. To be blunt, the gullah's language is at odds with the culture of the majority in the black community who are zealous anglophiles. The creoles unique cultural makeup , that fusion of poly african/french catholic/ anglo protestant doesn't fit the very christian very statian culture of the majority in the black community. The rastafarians are in the same scenario. Most jamaicans in the past and many jamaicans now are anglophiles. I know a number of jamaican families. the women's hair is straight, they try to speak english with a slight english accent, and they are very much in the rigid black church mold. Not all , but many. I think Rodney's point leads to a deeper issue in the black community globally or in parts and that is how black majorities handle black minorities. In my experience , many black people who are part of a majority tend to have a negative view toward black minorities. And the reason why is obvious. All minorities, like the white jew in the white community, have to deal with the fact that the majority doesn't care for your heritage or culture. WHich is obvious why, it is different. But, the black majority has a tendency to want to universalize in the black community whereas whites in the usa at least have a more white union appeal in modernity, I don't think black people in the usa at least, are as interested in a pan black approach. The full quote from Rodney Campbell is at the following forum post

@richardmurray, white folks have differences among themselves but they are unified when it comes to maintaining the system of racism white supremacy. If Black folks from every continent got together and formed a Black United Nations working towards strategic alliances sharing knowledge and resources consolidating into real social and economic power, white folks would 1) destroy us or 2) blow up the planet. White folks do not have militaries and weapons to defend themselves from each other. They play war games. They pretend to disagree with each other. That's all a smoke screen to make folks believe they aren't unified. It's BS. White folks are prepared to go to war against non-white people if/when their power and way of life becomes threatened and/or is under attack.

@ProfD the question is, were law enforcement organizations in majority, in general , started to protect and serve citizens? The answer is no in my view. I can't speak for every single law enforcement agency. But, the LAPD, the chicago police department, the texas rangers, the canadian mounties, the us marshalls, all were started by government officials looking to gain votes, manipulate populaces and gave the ones they chose an avenue to profit from various illegal or criminals activities safe from accusal or prosecution based on their badge. If Law enforcement agencies were born militarized or criminal and live militarized or criminal then what is the real problem when they act criminal? The real problem isn't them. We all know they are criminal. The problem is those who are not law enforcers, suggesting/wanting/desiring law enforcers not to be criminal or illegal actors. How many black people say one of the following: Most cops are good It is only a few bad cops My relative is a cop and isn't bad law enforcement is tough, people don't comprehend the life People need to learn how to interact to cops The training of cops is the problem cops should protect of help the people Those phrases and similar phrases to them are the problem. Said phrases are the problem. If non law enforcers just accept the true nature of law enforcement in the usa, then it isn't news anymore. They shot some one in the back? yeah ok. They chocked someone till they couldn't breath? yeah ok. The clans of the deceased take the government to court and the government pay out. No marches needed. No big news. A dirty organization acted dirty. ok. The need for people, especially black people who are not law enforcers to speak of law enforcements and needing to be something they are not, i argue is the problem.

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@ProfD Well, Black Americans include Black people in the american continent which is from canada to argentina so black jamaicans who are rastafarian at odds with black jamaicans who are not is part of the course so to speak. but in my travels to africa, i find binds are weak as well. My personal experience is in north western africa, but the hutu or tutsi in rwanda are the most public example. And to be honest, whites are no better. Brexit wasn't about people of color, white people of england didn't want want people of eastern europe and now the white people of poland and nearby countries are trying to stop white ukranians from entering their countries. So it seems the lack unity is more a human reality than a problem. HEll, even white jews in nyc oppose the commonly called conservative white jews in nyc. So, I argue unity isn't the problem between the black majority and the black minorities as much as poor leadership or planning or coexistence. Maybe the problem isn't that the black minorities need to be united with the black majorities but maybe they need a better way of coexisting than simple crude unity , which is not present in humanity historically. If white unity had that power, why are the irish still at it with the english.

@richardmurray, I was referring to law enforcement and police officers in general. I know the history of the NYPD and how it was created. Maybe you would have preferred that I start a separate broad-based thread and kept this one specific to the NYPD. The end result is still the same...the Blue brotherhood as a militarized, criminal gang is not localized to NY. They are everywhere.

AfroAmerican unity has been discouraged since chattel slavery. Among AfroAmericans, not even our 1) shared history nor 2) skin color seems to be a tie that solidly binds us. OTOH, other Black groups of people at the very least have a 1) homeland and 2) culture. That should be the tie that binds them regardless of whether or not they choose to create minority groups among themselves. Overall, the lack of leadership and unity among all Black groups of people and coming together in order to form strategic alliances is the only impediment to dismantling the system of white supremacy. White folks work overtime to keep Black folks segregated by any means necessary. Black unity is their biggest fear. We are too afraid to rise up.

@ProfD The beginning of your prose relates to what I feel are law enforcements biggest problem, people referring to them in terms of supposed things or suggesting they were once better. That is the problem with law enforcement, that prose is a lie. History has value when you look at any organization for one key point, history will show an organizations truth, and the history of the NYPD isn't what you state. The NYPD wasn't started to serve or protect citizens. the NYPD was started because Boss Tweed wanted the irish vote and he knew the best way to get any communities vote is to give them industry. He started the NYPD grabbing irish people you will call thugs or criminals off the street and gave them a badge, it is that simple. So when you say at some point they became militarized, if by they you mean the NYPD , you are wrong. the NYPD were always militarized. The irish community in NYC was terrorized by the NYPD first and foremost cause the irish thugs now had a badge and the mayors protections. But the mayor, tweed, created the nypd , do you comprehend. Your words suggest the NYPD for example, should be protecting or serving, wasn't an overseer in the past. that is not true. The NYPD was started to make a powerful growing voting block in an ever growing city that can be used by potential or current officials to gain or maintain power. The NYPD is a legalized gang, who profit off of many things. The NYPD also serve a necessary function for a city of individuals who don't have strong communal affiliations in an extremely multiracial city, by instilling fear in the populace, the very condensed populace not to break the law. The NYPD is needed, but like all other law enforcement agencies, at their core they have nothing to do with the common good. They are agencies for government profit/government control whose members achieve various levels of illegal or criminal wealth.

@Rodney campbell, I'm totally aware and I'm in agreement. In that regard, I don't believe I'll see that type of revolution come to pass in my lifetime. The masses have been anesthetized and neutered by that social conditioning. Most of the folks who want to go to *heaven* are afraid to die.

@ProfD I dont know if you know this already but there are are several court cases which have determined that judicially and in their social capacity the police are not hired to serve and protect the people, as the people are still technically and officially slaves and enemies of the state, the police are not here to protect or serve the people for any reason, at any TIME, under any conditions, and they are by law ordered to place their safety first and foremost above all else. This is why they are called heroes for doing what usually amounts to nothing much, and why they are always free of charges for any non public made aware beatings and murders they commit. It is this information I have shared here which is the underlying principle never spoken aloud that Defund The Police is based upon. However. As useless as they are, people are weak, dumb, and scared of doing what is required; to protect themselves, secure their home, make their community safe, and defend their family. Everyone basically has an entitlement mindset, and a child's level of emotions, which causes them to think that their safety, and security, is someone else job. Politicians. Of-course. Are solely responsible for this social condition being possible. But those people who accepted their lies are equally responsible for becoming weak and insecure and in their present condition of being needy and dependent upon the system for anything other than a paycheck for their work. Load your guns. Target practice. Swing your sword. Shoot your arrows. Mix your chemicals. Be as physically capable as you can. Stand your ground. Use what you have, and even in the absence of anything such as police or security. 1 by 1, any who threaten, endanger, or oppose you, will become insect food, plant food, and then dust. This. I can guarantee. Is what will secure your home and make your community safe. Eventually the 1 by 1's run out. Especially when everyone is doing it.

Police officers are supposed to serve and protect citizens. At some point, they became militarized and turned into an overseer. Neither statistical assessments nor rules mean much when it comes to police officers holding themselves accountable for mistreating Black and Brown people especially here in America.

@Chevdove You are one intelligent and thoughtful woman. Most have little clue what kings the dragon's diadems refer to. But there are seven kings, the Apostle John wrote. "Five have fallen, one is and one has not yet arrived. But when he does, he will remain a short while." John wrote these scriptures under vision while imprisoned on the Greek Island of Patmos in the year 100. John was the last of the original Apostles. The first king is ancient Egypt of the time of the Pharoahs, the second is Assyria (King Sennacherib) and the third is ancient Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar). Those three dragon heads have a single diadem because they stood alone. But the fourth is a dual kingdom, Medo-Persia which conquered the once thought impregnable walled city of Babylon in just one night. In the Bible Book of Daniel, this dual kingdom is represented by a ram. The Bible skips over the bloody wars, revolts and obvious savagery of this time. Media once dominated this partnership until Cyrus the Second ascended the Persian throne. He united the Persian forces to throw off the Median yoke. In 550 B.C.E. the Medes under the command of Astyages (Ishtumegu) and the Persians under Cyrus met in battle. But the army of Astyages revolted against him and brought Astyages in fetters to Cyrus. Cyrus then seized the capital of Media, Ecbatana. From then on Media played a secondary role in the Medo-Persian Empire. (History of the Persian Empire). That's two horns on the dragon's fourth head. In time, Medo-Persia was supplanted by the Greeks or the Macedonians, under Alexander the Great. In his vision, Daniel saw Greece as a hairy he-goat. He prophesied the male goat would engage the ram in battle, whup its ass and stomp it. Which actually happened. But the great horn which represented the ruler of Greece would be cut off and four smaller horns would spring up after. Alexander the Great died suddenly at 33 and the Greek kingdom was divided among four of his generals. As the Greeks petered out, Rome began to dominate. But there were actually two Roman Empires, East and West. Two more horns on another dragon head. How many heads and horns is that? Six heads and eight horns. Still with me? Now, who or what is the seventh head? And why does this king remain only a short while? Because when compared with the previous kings' longevity and centuries in power, this seventh king would not be around that long - according to John's prophecy. Confused yet? No wonder you're asking your bartender for a Green Comet on the rocks. But remember, the Bible warns folks away from spiritism and searching for omens.

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@Pioneer1 well throughout humanity the cyclical moment called new year isn't universal in definition. The reason why Julian Calendar new year date is celebrated throughout humanity isn't because all view it as a new year, but the popularity of new year's festivities, which bring in money to be honest, is present. The christian calendar originally didn't have easter but the people's they wanted to join all had easter so they made an easter celebration and the jehovah's witness population shifts prove that being adamant against majority cultural elements is not easy and tends to lead to people leaving the minority culture.

[10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. REVELATION 17:10. Good point. @Stefan And the very next two verses is even more important, imo: [11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. REVELATION 17:11. [12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. REVELATION 17:12. These scriptures written by John the Revelator at the time of the Roman Empire was written about four hundred years later after the prophet Daniel wrote his book and they both agree. Without an understanding of world powers, the 7-head-government seems ridiculous, but these prophets knew exactly what they were writing about and for me, it is amazing. all of the other KINGDOMS and governments stem from the 7-headed government. And the 8-government that comes from the 7th becomes the most powerful. Daniel's description of the 10 horns too, deserves a book all on its own. But now, BACK TO MY OBSESSION WITH THIS GREEN COMET!!! **************************************************************** In the recent news, *An earthquake has ocurred in the Dominican Republic *Another major earthquake has just occurred in Turkey Anatolia on a huge scale! *And now, America is alarmed due to an earthquake that has just occurred in NEW YORK! This earthquake is NOT a big one though, but it is alarming the government. Canada reports it as a 4.2 on th scale, but America reports it as a 3.8. If it is a 4.2, that, I remember feeling when I lived in California. Likewise, I could feel a 3 but, not that much. Nevertheless, these recent natural phenomena will probably NOT be connected to this Green Comet, but I think otherwise. About 2,000 people have died in Turkey, and the numbers may climb. It is a huge catastrophe. Whenever I hear anything in Turkey, I am interested because the ancient history is central to this country and I believe it connects to modern issues of today.

LOl @Dee Miller Don't bow out! Loving following your thought process.

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