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  1. I just recently completed Toni Morrison’s latest book “Home”, a novel I have been looking forward to reading because its advance notices promoted it as being set in the 1950s, an era I could relate to. Since many of Morrison’s novels take place way back in the day, I was glad she had chosen to write about what was, to me, a more recent period in history. I was curious about how Ms Morrison would portray the 1950s which have been referred to as not only a bland and innocent time populated by the “silent generation“, but also the decade that was ripe for the civil rights movement it spawned. I
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  2. I just can't get enough of this silly song. Why, I don't know. My grandson even threatened to shoot a video of me singing it so he could add it to YouTube's collection of diffent covers of it. This link provides one of the more interesting versions for those of you who are tired of serious subjects. http://youtu.be/lEsPhTbJhuo
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  3. Because gang related violence has become so rampant in this country’s inner cities, attempts to focus on this problem have taken on celebrity involvement. Recently ABC news anchor, Diane Sawyer, showed up in Chicago to cover a gang summit being sponsored by Father Michael Pfleger, local hero, activist Catholic priest, and the white leader of an all black congregation. These high level meetings between the hierarchy of Chicago’s gangs have been held before and have not worked or will they ever because guards can never be lowered and ground never conceded. Reputations have to be maintained.
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  5. Unless you're blind and deaf it's hard to avoid life's little aggravations delivered to you on a daily basis courtesy of the media in all of its forms. This is the motivation for me letting my pet peeves out of their cage. The top 10 things that make my eyes roll upward The gloating eagerness of celebrity moms to reveal how quickly they’ve regained their slim figures after relieving themselves of the baby bumps they were equally anxious to show off to an indifferent world. So called “right-to-life" zealots who don’t realize that, by applying their warped standards, a female’
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  6. So I had a twitter account. Had. So it turns out my daughter was wrong. I didn't LOVE it. I found it to be the biggest waste of time. I'm following people. They're following me. What? I don't get it. I could have been writing.
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  7. Recently an article was published on the Oprah Magazine website, “119 Black-Owned Bookstores in America That Amplify the Best in Literature.” While I was not attributed as a source of the list, I know I was because my bookstore list contains at least one bookstore that is not a bookstore . But the list was widely copied so who knows where they sourced the info (including my rouge “bookstore”). Unlike many of the other sites which used the list, Oprah Mag at least included AALBC as a store, so I’m good. Oprah Magazine also created another article, "12 Authors Share Their Favorite
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  8. BLACK PREACHERS GETTING BLACK PEOPLE TO THE POLLS.WHAT DO THEY GET OUT OF THIS.....AFTER THIS THEY CAN TAKE ON DRUG DEALERS, GANGS AND PIMPS. THEY WANT. THEY ARE NOT DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING ..GREED MOTIVATES PREACHERS I HEARD BLACK POLITICANS GIVE PREACHERS MONEY.....
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  9. An era came to an end today. Hostess Bakeries went out of business. Another icon has bitten the dust and disappeared in a cloud of flour. Rest in peace, Twinkies and Ho-Hoes and Wonder Bread. First Romney's defeat, and now this. Another casualty for white America. What's next Miracle Whip Mayonnaise? Pass the hot sauce, please.
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  10. AGAIN SPEAKING ABOUT BLACK SPORTS REPORTER BILL RHODEN BOOK.. 40 MILLION DOLLAR SLAVES.ABOUT HOW RICH BLACK ATHLETES ARE CONTROLLED AND OWNED...LEBRON JAMES LEADS THAT.....HE HAS BEEN WITH RABBI'S, HOW MANY BLACK LEADERS HAS HE BEEN WITH/DO NOT MEAN THOSE REPTILE PREACHERS MOTIVATED BY GREED/HAS HE BEN WITH MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN.THEY SEEM TO BE TOLD WHO NOT TO BE BE WITH, OR TALK TO...WHAT TO DO, AND WHEN TO DO IT....THEY ARE NOT YESTERDAYS BLACK ATHLETES LIKE, JACKIE ROBINSON, BILL RUSSELL, MUHAMMED ALI , KAREEM OR ARTHUR ASHE... WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF, WHO ARE THEY AFRAID
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  11. Picture of James Baldwin and Nina Simone, and Billiie And Ella. Black legends whose artistry lives on...
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  12. IN 1930, JAMES CAMERON WAS 16. HE AND HIS 2 FRIENDS WERE CHARGED WITH THE MURDER OF A WHITE MAN AND ATTEMPTED RAPE OF HIS GIRL FRIEND.. ALL 3 WERE TAKEN OUT BY A DEMONIC WHITE MOB..IN A TREE BY THE COURT HOUSE CAMERON WATCH HIS FRIENDS LYNCHED..ROPE AROUND HIS NECK, SOMEONE SAID HE WAS INNOCENT BARELY ESCAPING BEING HUNG...CAMERON SAID THE ROPE SCARRED HIS NECK...JAMES CAMERON WAS INVOLVED WITH CIVIL RIGHTS, NAACP AND FOUNDED THE BLACK HOLOCOST MUSEUM...THERE IS A PICTURE OF THOMAS SHIPP AND ABRAM SMITH LYNCHED IN AUGUST IN 1930...JAMES CAMERON IS DECEASED.//
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  13. WHAT SHOULD PRESIDENT OBAMA DO IF ISRAEL ATTACKS IRAN//IF ISRAEL ATTACKS IRAN THE U.S. TROOPS WILL BE SENT TO PROTECT PRECIOUS ISRAEL//ISRAEL IS ALMOST AS BAD AS ADOLF HITLER, ISRAEL WANTS TO GENOCIDE THE PALESTINE PEOPLE./I AM SICK ISRAEL,PRESIDENT SEEMS TO FEAR ISRAEL,WHY,, BECAUSE HE NEEDS VOTES FROM THE U.S. CHRISTIANS/WHEN IT COMES TO FAKE CHRISTIANS NERO HAD THE RIGHT IDEA, CHRISTIANS THROWN TO THE LIONS.WHITE AND BLACK FAKE CHRISTIANS////
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  14. @Troy I can't remember disagreeing with @Cynique @Chevdove or @zaji in any way that would cause me to want to express that disagreement. I may have a different opinion about something but their presentation allows for me to consider their perspective. I've even found myself doing some research and keeping an open mind for more information to possibly advance the discussion. But I don't disagree with them. Even if you can find where I said "I disagree" know that I misspoke. I believe most women are socialized to have a perspective that is built on a foundation of evidence. Unfort
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  15. In Eskimo culture, old people did their families a favor by wandering off into the wilderness where they’d simply lie down and freeze to death. In more advanced civilizations, especially ancient ones, families revered and respected their elders and this characterizes the indigenous black tradition in America. Blacks love their “Madeas”, So it is a little curious that the ageists on this board regard older people with disdain I suspect they would claim that it’s me who they dislike, and the fact that I am 82 years old provides them with another weapon to try and punish me for not looking u
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  16. After a long and overbearing presidential race, President Barack Obama has been re-elected. We no longer have to wonder who will lead our nation for the next 4 years and all major political campaigning can be put aside for a few years. The president and the DNC ran a great campaign and both should enjoy their victory, but the battle to improve the economy has just begun. Will President Obama be able to lead our nation into economic prosperity? Will congress come together to help improve this nation, instead of playing politics? I believe the answers to these questions are not as important
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  17. So, it’s Thanksgiving day, and I’m at my grandaughter’s place, settling down to dig into my full plate of turkey and all the trimmings, patiently explaining to an outside guest why a woman my age decided to get 2 tattoos over the past 7 years. When my oldest son off-handedly referred to me as the family matriarch, I almost choked on my sweet potatoes. Matriarch. The word sounded so sedate and sedentary, but as I looked around the gathering at my 3 sons, 2 daughters, 8 grand children and 3 great grandchildren, figures of all ages, sizes, shapes and colors, milling around the rooms, I was sud
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  18. It may be over, but it ain't done as the media and the internet are still abuzz with post mortems about the result of the presidential election. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel minced no words in a Fox News interview, when he told Sean Hannity to "shut the f**k up, you lost!". My kind of guy. Another one of the more interesting reactions was that of a FaceBook poster, who opined: "While Romney lost, the Republicans outperformed in the Congressional elections. One would have expected many more losses with a victorious Democratic President, but there were basically no "coat tails" to Obama's vic
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  19. IMAGING,OUR VOICES TOGETHER,WE COULD BE STRONG AND PROFOUND..INSTEAD, SILENCE LIKE FALLING SNOW IS THE,REALITY, SOUND...BLACK PEOPLE,EACH DAY,EACH HOUR,EACH SECOND.,LIKE A WINTER SEASON IT SEEMS..SO DARK AND SO BARE LIKE NAKED WINTER TREES...THE ADDICTS,SELF DESTRUCTION,THERE ARE THOSE WITH WITHERED SOULS AMONG US...THE FIENDS,SABOTEURS, GANGSTERS,THAT WANT OUR RACE TO BE TOWARD A EXODUS...BLACK LEADERS,WATCHING THIS,SOME IGNORE,SOME RETREAT, OTHERS FLEE..SO DARK AND SO BARE LIKE WINTER NAKED TREES...THE RIGHTEOUS BLACK FOLKS WHO ARE CHURCH SUNDAY BOUND..SINISTER PREACHERS HAVE THEIR S
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  20. I found the article below which not surprisingly appeared on the Fox News site interesting because it's an example of how this election is not only polarizing the country but is reinforcing a rift in the black community. Voting for Obama has become a litmus test for a person's blackness. Race still matters. This time next month what will the situation be?? I hope the election is not a close one because I don't know what Blacks will do if Obama loses. Will they simply be demoralized or will they be in a rebellious state of mind?? I think white people will handle a Romney loss better. They
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  21. Implicit in almost every post on this site is the underlying message that It's hard being black; not only in America, but throughout the world. Just as white skin is an "entitlement", " it can be argued that "colored" skin is a burden. If I were a rapper I'd spit out some verses about this. Instead I'll just spill out some thoughts. As an African American, no matter what your circumstances are, your race is always a factor that puts you at a disadvantage even when the playing field is leveled to allow you to advance despite inadequate qualifications. I repeat: It's hard being black.
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  22. BLACK ACTOR AND COMEDIAN D.L. HUGELY SAYS BLACK MEN, BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ON THE ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST.OKAY...ANIMALS ARE EXTINCT AND BECOMING EXTINCE BECAUSE OF MAN MOSTLY....I WATCH NATURE SHOWS, ELEPHANTS AND RHINOS KILLED BY POACHERS FOR THEIR TUSK AND HORNS...AFRICAN ANIMALS ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST INCLUDE, BLACK RHINOCERUS , LEMURS, GAZELLES ,CHIPS, LEOPARDS ,WESTERN LOWLAND GORILLAS AND ADDAX-LARGE ANTELOPE......BLACK PEOPLE KNOWING THAT FOR CENTURIES THE WHITE MAN HAS BEEN TRYING TO GENOCIDE AND EXTERMINATE THE BLACK RACE FOR CENTURIES ARE HELPING WITH THE EXTI
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  23. NEWS, NAKED WHITE MAN,COLLEGE STUDENT WAS KILLED BY POLICE..POLICE SAY HE WAS NAKED AND ACTING ERRADTIC .NAKED KILLED STUDENT FAMILY LAWYER SAYS, SURVEILLANCE CAMERA SHOWS NOTHING TO JUSTIFY DEADLY FORCE..SINCE POLICE GET AWAY WITH BEATING UP AND KILLING BLACK MEN, INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO POLICE AT SOUTH ALABAMA COLLEGE....WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO WHITE POLICE WHO HAD CHAVIS CARTER HANDCUFFED CLAIMED HE GOT OUT OF HIS HANCUFFS AND COMITTED SUICIDE.//////
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  24. ON THE DOCUMENTARY CHANNEL, A DOCUMENTARY ON NEGRO SOLDIERS.SEEMS ALMOST EVERY WAR THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN IN, BLACK SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN IN...SHOWED CLIPS OF BLACK SOLDIERS FROM WORLD WAR 1..WORLD WAR 2, TUSKEGEE PILOTS, ALL BLACK INFANTRY, A BRIEF CLIP OF BENJAMIN O. DAVIS, LATER IN TIME BECOMING GENERAL...AND SOMETHING NOT TALKED ABOUT MUCH. BLACK WORLD WAR 2 SOLDIERS HONORED BY THE PEOPLE OF FRANCE..IT WAS INTERESTING...../
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  25. TRAYVON MARTIN KILLED BY A LUNATIC MURDERER WHO IS HISPANIC HELPED BY GESTAPO POLICE..CHAVIS CARTER HANDCUFFED IN ARKANSAS KILLED BY GESTAPO POLICE..ROBERT CHAMPION BEATING TO DEATH ON A BLACK COLLEGE BAND BUS.,WHERE WAS THE PROTESTING FOR HIM./////PROTESTING FOR THE JENA 6 IN LOUISIANA... THOSE BLACK BOYS ,IF SHOULD HAVE BEEN//WHERE WAS THE CONCERN FOR THE BLACK BOYS BISHOP EDDIE LONG WAS SEXUALLY ROMANCING///WHY IS HE STILL ON THE CHURCH PULPIT../////WHY IS SOME BLACK LIFE VALUED OTHERS OR NOT.///
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  26. C-SPAN RE SHOWED RODNEY KING INTERVIEW TODAY... AS HE TALKED ABOUT HIS NEW BOOK RIOT WITHIN-FROM REBELLION TO REDEMPTION, THE INTERVIEWER TALKED ABOUT RACIST WHITE POLICE..THERE WAS A WEST INDIES CELEBRATION IN NEW YORK LAST YEAR.WHITE POLICE WERE HEARD SAYING THERE SHOULD BE A BOMB DROPPED ON THOSE PEOPLE, BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE..THIS CONFIRMS WHAT BLACK PEOPLE THIK WHITE POLICE ARE MEMBERS OF THE ARYAN NATION AND ARE JUST AS VILE AS HITLER AND HIS TROOPS.. COWARD VILE HUMAN TRASH..///
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  27. We are all aware of the mainstream media's negative narrative about black men. We are constantly bombarded with stories of high incarceration rates, black on black violence, deadbeat dads and of course police brutality. From the outside looking in it appears that black men are destined for failure and there is nothing that can be done to change the implied negative trajectory that black men are on. But is the media's narrative true? Are black men really an endangered species? I believe the answer is an emphatic no and I have made it my life's to work to support and empower black men to overcom
    4 points
  28. I am the same way. I typically try to merely express my opinion/views, not launch into outright disagreement, as though in a war. Additionally, if I have ever used that language (I disagree), it is not hard and fast disagreement. I am always open to discussing anything, regardless of my personal views. I know one fundamental thing, no human (including myself) knows everything. No human has a monopoly on truth. I try to carry a sense of humility around things/ideas/knowledge, as long as the thing isn't so overboard that it can do great harm. Then humility or not, I must do everything to stop th
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  29. @NubianFellowOK, we cool. @DelI was a wife, but i aint never worn one.
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  30. INSPIRATION . . . Inspiration to Better Health My Inspiration: Allyson Felix It amazes me when I watch her run and sometimes I think back to the time when Flo Jo was the champion and this young lady was only about three (3) years old at the time! And, she wasn’t even born when, in 1985 the East German relay team set a record that she and her teammates broke in 2012. In fact, Allyson was born about a month later. IMO, she doesn’t even look like she would be a sprinter! And then when I was reading
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  31. TROY, DISCUSSION & RESPECT I have an inquiry about this community, but firstly, I want to say this: I want to just say, thank you Troy for having and maintaining this site, a site that I have been able to come to and learn and also share. I have a lot of respect for you for what you are doing. I love to engage in a scholarly debate on topics that I think revolve around the African American Community and topics that affect me, but I do not want to be insulting or disrespectful to anyone whether African American or not. I hope to obtain
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  32. The last i head, this is supposed to be a free country. And black people above all, are constantly striving to exercise their freedom. Because blacks are not all of one mind, some blacks have a problem when it comes to freedom of appearance. They are luke warm about diversity and want to dictate, judge, and criticize the choices of certain other blacks who resist the herd mentality of black brain washing that can be as restraining as white control. These Afro-centric vigilants, awash in their patented rhetoric, have taken on the role of deciding how black women, in particular
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  33. Supporting this movie is first and foremost putting money in the hands of the white film industry. None of the prosperity spawned by a fantasy movie based on comic book characters is going to trickle down to blacks. Since the country where it takes place is Africa, not America and since the people in it, with the superficial exception of having similar skin tones, do not come across as black Americans, then what redeeming value does it really have? This movie should be labeled for what it is. A money-making escapist film which, while entertaining, has no relevance when it comes to reality.
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  34. My apologies @Mel HopkinsBeing insulting or condescending is no way to have a discussion or even an argument. Mea Culpa
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  35. I'm gonna go, grab a glass of wine, plop myself in front of a big screen and watch this video Good night y'all
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  36. @Mel Hopkins Yes!!! I have had far too many "coincidences" for it to be only a coincidence when I tap into folks. I dreamed a rather frightening dream 12 years ago. I have found that I tap into numerous aspects of my abilities, in dreams, clairvoyance, clairaudience, telepathy, etc. In the dream, I was losing my teeth. I learned from my grandmother about what this dream means, but never took much stock in it. I figured it was foolishness, old wives' tales, whatever. So I went about my life not thinking about such nonsense. Typically in the dream, one tooth falls out.
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  37. Looks like twins, Mel and Del, will have to broadened the kinship between them that I recognized earlier. I am now about to induct zaji into your family and declare the 3 of you to be triplets. Your souls are not strangers. And, to my eyes, all of your words resonate with a familiarity of unknown origin. And check out Troy! Expounding with the expertise honed by his technological background, grooving on the same new age wave length with us, sharing some deep thoughts!
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  38. I love Octavia Butler's Mind of My Mind because her characters use telepathy in an interesting way. I have believed for some time that it was possible we once only used telepathy, and verbal language has been a degeneration away from our purer state of communicating. Basically, something ruined us. Maybe processed food, bad air, bad water, or a disaster on Earth, dunno. Just some thoughts/ideas I play with. @Cynique I learned not too long ago that effect is the proper word when writing effect change. I went through several grammar websites. Effect change means to "bring about" chan
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  39. I don't understand heterosexual males or females who are so upset about males or females who are gay. What difference does it make to you who someone loves? Also, how does a black person not see that condemnation of gays involves the same dynamic patterns as racism? It never made sense to me. My brotherfriend, Alan, is gone now, but I miss him every day. He would have been another male in our son's life-- joining my life partner, my life partner's brother, and another gay brotherfriend--who was a sterling example of a kind, loving, intelligent African American man. Alan
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  40. @Cynique who knows maybe Nubianfellow has it point. Maybe it's the black woman's hair that is the key to black people's success.. My friends call my family the hair bear bunch because we have very long hair that grows from our roots... (see my profile pic - yep that's mine) So, maybe because we don't have weaves it allows us to communicate with directly to the Universe from which all our blessings flow you know god gave it to us for a reason. ...And it makes us super smart so we don't have ever worry about being in the bottom 20% of those poverty-stricken folks. We don't ne
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  41. Hi there. As for me, my only reasons for not joining in on this site is that I forget. Yes, I do log into Facebook but usually to see family stuff, and I have only recently begun to "tweet". I am in the process of learning how to market my first book so I am also concentrating on getting speaking engagements and writing new articles and I blog. Yes, my publisher set me up on Amazon which I have no problem with. My book writing project was originally about inspiration, and I happen to be a Black person writing about a Black man. But I did not initially set out to specifically reach Black people
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  42. Hi Lisa, one could argue that a strong loving family exists because men cheat. Cheating, in and of itself, does not cause damage to the family structure and illegitimate children. Lack of birth control causes this. As far as arguments and jealousy, getting caught and lack of discretion is usually the culprit. Stating that monogamy is the "right" thing makes assumptions that I'm not willing accept so easily. What makes monogamy right? I don't ask the question lightly: Sapiens have been running around on this planet for about 200K years. When did monogamy become right? If there wa
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  43. This is beautiful! Cyber relationships are great but there nothing like real life human interaction!
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  44. I'm not a political theorist and Astrological charts and human nature are informing my position. Trump is one of the most important Presidential candidates since King George I I. Since he signals a tectonic shift in politics. No I don't think he's business as usual since the Republican party aren't endorsing him. There are a few Political Astrologers. Who believe Trump beats Clinton, but Bernie can defeat Trump because they both represent change. I think Trump would be a better President than either Clinton or Bernie. Bernie wants fairness Clinton wants power, and Trump wants
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  45. Yes, Dyson is a glib hustler who pimps publicity but, to me, his redeeming value is that he does well in one-on-one exchanges with white talk show hosts. He usually puts them in their place with his dazzling rhetoric. I feel confident when he is articulating the black message against a white adversary. I think everybody is hip to Dyson's game now. Does he really wield a lot of influence?
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  46. There wasn't any race discrimination. People need to stop looking for something if they weren't a part of it simply to create a book or expose something that wasn't there; in my opinion. I experienced zero race issues while in the Navy from 90-98 Active, Reserve and Inactive. The military for me was the one place where your race didn't really matter. You could either fix the jet or you couldn't. You either passed the test, or you didn't. You either did your job or you didn't. When I was snatched away from in front of a propeller while on the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln CVN-72 when I
    4 points
  47. CDBurns, I agree wholeheartedly, so much help is needed. I am almost paralyzed with the thought of it. You are correct, this situation in Flint is NOT singular! I just hope that I can make people feel the way I feel when I see humans suffer. The feeling for humanity should supercede race, class, and zip code. Perhaps if we can eliminate the apathy, we can eliminate the issue? I dont fully know, but I will keep searching. I thank you again for the feedback; I am steadily seeking growth and betterment.
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  48. Marlon James' remarks certainly resonate with me. I have never become captivated enough to finish any of these acclaimed books written by angst-driven white women in the throes of some personal crisis. One in particular comes to mind was the award winning "The Year of Magical Thinking" by Joan Didion, a book about the period following the death of her beloved husband. It was so boring to me that I never finished it. My latest book is a novel about the main character coping with all that comes with the territory of being among the most misunderstood and least appreciated creatures in
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  49. I somewhat agree with you, but the research is skewed... then again what research isn't? Social media does allow for a lot of debate and it is quite active with people posting links and responding when it is an issue they are passionate about. This is so much the case that I've often hidden people to avoid being drawn into a lengthy back and forth on Facebook with people who are simply ranting and want to be heard, but are not open to a solid debate. I think your best point is definitely the fact that it is fleeting. This is the problem with social media. It is lightning fast and continu
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  50. IN DEUTERONOMY , IT SAYS ADULTERERS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH.....MEN WHO CHEAT ON WIVES, THE WOMEN THEY CHEAT WITH, EVERYBODY WHO COMMITS ADULTERY SHOULD BE STONED TO DEATH//THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE PREACHERS THAT CHEAT ON THEIR WIVES. .LET'S SEE, JESSE JACKSON, BISHOP EDDIE LONG, HENRY LYONS, WHO WAS LOCKED UP FOR STEALING 4 MILLION ..3 BLACK PREACHERS BEHIND BARS FOR KILLING THEIR WIVES...KILLING, ADULTERY,2 OF THE COMMANDMENTS....IT IS A LOT MORE,,..BABYLON AND SODOM GOMMORAH SEXUAL WICKEDNESS PREACH SERMONS EVERY SUNDAY FROM THE BIBLE NO ONE LIVES BY...AMAZING.....WHAT
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