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Was that the same as Bear Stearns?

frankster Though not impossible, it would be difficult to dig up the sources where I got this information from because much of it didn't come from sources online. The main source of this information comes from a VERY good book known as: Making of The White Man By author Paul Lawrence Guthrie This man actually set out to do research to try and PROVE that Elijah Muhammad was wrong about White people being a race of devils, and in the course of his research found out that it was actually TRUE....lol. Very powerful book with a lot of historic research that helps to clarify a lot of things and explains where a lot of mythology and religious scripture actually came from. I'd have to go to my storage library dig out some of the books, photo the pages, and then download them on to my computer and then on to this site.....lol. All of that work....only for you to STILL not be moved on inch and not believe what I said about the Watchers...lol. So I tell you what, let's start with this............ When you read the Bible, you already know you're reading a TRANSLATION. So when you read, "The sons of God entered the daughters of man" This is a MISTRANSLATION....purposefully done. It SHOULD read: "The sons of the Elohim had sex with the daughters of Adam" The ancient people....original people...who I'm sure we can both agree were Black....claimed to be children of the "gods" or "Deities" whether called Elohim by the Canaanites and Israelites or the Anunnaki by the Sumerians or the Neteru by the Kemites. These people were Black. Now, Adam is actually symbolic of the first Caucasian/White man. "Adam" literally means "to show blood" or in other words "blusher". Now do you disagree with anything I've said so far or should I provide links to my above assertions as evidence of them?

What's going on in Sudan? More negro nonsense....that's what. People all over the world are fighting. Far more death and destruction is happening in Ukraine than in Sudan; but that's not because of lack of effort on the part of the Sudanese. I'm beginning to wonder is the only reason these conflicts in Africa not as deadly as the World Wars of Europe....simply because most African nations don't have the technology to kill eachother that the Europeans have. Because if they HAD it...many of them would SURELY use it. I didn't even bother to research WHY they are tearing up Sudan......because it really doesn't matter. I'm tired of the excuses Africans have for fighting eachother. I'm sure the excuses the Sudanese are making are similar to the excuses the Ethiopians are making for THEIR conflict. But if we did our PROPER research....like most conflicts in Africa you'll find 2 major causes: 1. Some Caucasians in the background supplying the weapons and instigating the conflict. 2. (and sometimes 1) Jealous Black men who can't stand to see another Black men with more wealth and women and respect/fame/admiration than HE has so they'll make up any excuse to attack and kill his brother. Oh they'll SAY it's over land, religion, politics, etc....but it's really over jealousy and not wanting to see another Black man in a better position. This is why I agree with the brothers who said that if Africa IS healed and brought together....it'll be BLACK AMERICANS who go overthere and do it. We have to get OURSELVES together first though, obviously.

Chev But I also think that the Dogon have a rich connection to the Cush Babylonians and the Philistines too because of their deep understanding of the constellations and outer space. There is definitely a connection between the Dogon and the Philistines! As I mentioned before, the Dogon are just a FRAGMENT of the larger ancient Kemetic Empire. Those known as "philistines" in the Bible are actually the descendants of the "sea people" who tried to attack ancient Kemet and were subdued and subjugated by them. They are said to come from an island in the Aegean Sea known as "Captor" but in reality they were among the first Caucasians produced during the grafting process on the island of Patmos. As soon as they were produced, they organized themselves and set sail to head back to Africa/Kemet and try to dominate and conquer the original people.....and got whooped..lol Anyway.... No doubt there was contact between the Kemetic ancestors of the Dogon and the ancestors of these "philistines" while they were being subjugated in Kemet. BTW.... We can't confuse the Philistine with the Canaanites who....although dwelt in the same lands for a time....were much older and of an entirely different race.

Troy, you should have put this in the Race, Culture....thread, lol. If we research deep enough, we'll find that the Dogon and nearly all Black African so-called "tribes" or ethnic groups are mere FRAGEMENTS of the ancient Kemetic Civilization that fell thousands of years ago. The various families and clans of ancient Kemet broke up and moved in different directions carrying fragments (often corrupted) of the original high culture and high science with them. This is symbolized in the Kemetic story of Auset and Ausar. Ausar was murdered and chopped up into little pieces and his wife Auset had to find those pieces and put them back together again. Kemet was collapsed and fell into many tribes....known as Black Africa today.....but will eventually one day be brought back together.

Brother frankster, in another thread you mentioned the "Watchers": Would you like to know the TRUTH about who these Watchers actually were? They were BLACK MEN....soldiers stationed to the area of and around the Caucasus Mountain range and the Black Sea. They were assigned to keep the Caucasians from escaping and coming back into our civilizations. Some of them saw the Caucasian women as attractive and had sex with them producing mixed offspring. This is where you get the "sons of god mixing with the daughters of man" in Genesis btw.... You'll find that the Book of Enoch....like most so-called "scriptures" that pass through the hands of Caucasians....is a corrupted forgery based on the original TRUE history of that area that has been long suppressed.

frankster And I say the bulk of it is racism. Ok, let's reason through this......... You say the BULK of it is racism. Then by deduction, that means you believe a smaller percentage of it is lack of action on our part. Since there's not a lot you can do (or will do) to erase the racism that prevents an adequate supply of fresh and nutritious foods from serving the needs of the AfroAmerican community- Then would you not agree that the FOCUS should be on doing as much as WE can as AfroAmericans to help supply ourselves? Since the racism from outside of our community is not likely to change, instead of following THEIR lead of abandoning the Black community....we should be putting as much pressure as we can on those of us with the resources to do so to provide healthy wholesome foods, grocery stores, restuarants, and distribution centers in our community. Our people are not lazy or indifferent......they labouring under self hate You're speaking in general terms. You should say MOST of our people arent' lazy or indifferent...because a lot of our people ARE lazy and indifferent and it's quite noticeable to any AfroAmerican in a management or business ownership position who hires AfroAmerican workers. One of their biggest problems is finding AfroAmerican youth willing to actually show up on time and do the work required of them. You find this issue all over the nation. So there must be some merit to it. You're attributing it to "self hate" and perhaps some of it is...but regardless of the REASON the CONDITION of not wanting to work and put effort into sustaining one's self is self evident. Until We as a people begin to Love our Black African self as we are and begin from there....we will be pawns of psychops. I agree to a certain extent but as I've gotten older I realize WHY a lot of our people don't love "themselves" or their people. A lot of intelligent and sincere AfroAmericans have witnessed too much shady, janky, and piss poor performance from other AfroAmericans to the point they come to EXPECT less quality and more problems from their own than from Whites. This attitude changes only when our PERFORMANCE as a group changes. "the Oppressed will always believe the worst about themselves" Franz Fanon If that quote is true, there's you can teach or tell AfroAmericans about loving themselves UNTIL they are no longer in an oppressed state. As long as they are oppressed, it's best to save the motivational speeches and words of encouragement. They do not own those business....They are Franchisees. It is my understanding that franchises ARE owned businesses that operate under the name of a more well established and well known business. They have no need to....they do not pose a threat to the establish order of Racism But they are Black businesses making money. That alone poses a threat to the system of racism and the need to keep AfroAmericans oppressed and in the underclass. They are controlled Regulated and monitored through the Licensing Process......Chamber of Commerce. True, as are most restaurants and grocery stores. So again, why so many braid and barber shops and so few grocery stores and healthy restaurants in the hood UNLESS the owners simply don't care as much about the health and diet of the community as they do about getting braided up and faded up? First off I love what those brothers and sister are doing....I congratulate them and hope that it is replicated all over the black community. TAgain they pose no threat to Racism.... Indeed they don't. Infact, I'd go as far as to say that this CONTRIBUTES to the racist subjegation of AfroAmericans by keeping the community high and addicted to substances as a way out instead of dealing with the issues we face. There is plenty individual and business success in the black community....We only begin to make real change when by funding or participating in grassroots social issues Yessssssssssss....... So again, if there are FOOD DESERTS in the Black community where not enough fresh fruits, vegetables, and meats are getting to the people. Ultimately, who's fault is this REALLY? We can blame the racists....and yes it is their fault indirectly. But directly? The Point is When black organizations begin to push for real Change they are targeted.. I problably agree with you, but just for the sake of conversation let me ask you: TARGETED BY WHOM????? They Enemy you know is easily defeated....White racism is studying us and even have us studying ourselves for them.....though we advance by steps they advance by leaps and bounds. Part of that is because they are UNITED. They are united in their morals, diet, sexual habits, etc... They may CLAIM different religions and values but if you watch White people around America....you find the vast majority of them engaging in the same daily habits from coast to coast and from Maine to California. They also share information with eachother. Our people have to learn to trust eachother enough to share knowledge and wisdom with eachother instead of either keeping it to ourselves or selling it to White people for a price. How many older Black women down South have had the recipe to some of the best dishes in the world....only to take those recipies to their grave out of resentment and fear that another Black woman will get that recipe and "out do" them with it? Far from it....I am suggesting why whats is happening is happening. There's more to what's happening than it simply happening....it's being ALLOWED to happen. ...by us. So the question you should also ask yourself is why WE are allowing it to happen when we have the power to rectify it? Not Indifference......Mind Control - MKultra (Mind Kulture) If you control the thoughts of a people you will not have to use force to have them destroy themselves just have the means of self destruction readily available and easily accessible. 1. Destitution 2. Propaganda 3. Learned Helplessness 4. Dependency Minister Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, and others have for DECADES went around the Black community in America and directly told them that we need to control their own businesses, stop eating rotten foods and stop feeding it to their children, and open up our own hospitals. Surely this would have been enough to counter the effects of mind-control programs if the innate desires to do for self and advance our communities were strong enough. My understanding of a lot of hypnosis and mind-control is it focuses on hidden desires that already exist but are latent. It tap into what one already wants to do but the more logical mind restrains one from doing. For example....... To a person who is already lazy and doesn't want to farm food, build housing for himself, or improve his overall condition -a mind-control program like religion which will teach him a "Messiah" is coming soon who will end the world and provide him with all of his needs -will work on him because he already wants an excuse NOT to do anything. A more independent minded person is less suceptible because they already have a strong desire to do for self and not wait on any outside figure. That's like Fighting for peace....You want unity by first creating separation. Yes! Whether you agree or not, you understand the point. Fighting for peace is actually a sound and logical concept btw.. Sometimes to avoid MORE violence and bloodshed, a major decisive battle must take place to establish clear dominance. Self Education is the First Step and the most important ongoing Methodology...No One is left out. Some people CAN'T be educated. They can only be trained....if that. Imagine what they are doing to the Minds of our People. No need to imagine, we see the results on a daily basis. But then, when a mind is ALREADY weak....as a lot of our people's minds are....it tends to be more suceptible to the influence and harm from these additives and preservatives. We do.....because its our blood sweat and tears they stole and continue to steal so as to have such Credit...to give freely to their own kind. Reparations is definitely owed to us, however UNTIL we get them (or give them to ourselves when we gain the power to do so) should we just sit around waiting for it before we make things happen? People owe ME money....but I haven't stopped working and earning income waiting on THEM to give it back, lol. The bills don't stop...lol. Then why are they not doing it.....Lack of the Proper Knowledge - Education No one has shown then how lucrative and Beneficial it can be....so to them it maynot be worth the effort or risk. Lol...nobody showed them how to open up WEED SHOPS either, but they figured it out. Look man, you and I both know it comes from a lack of DESIRE. They DON'T WANT to open up these institutions....not bad enough atleast...and this is why we don't have many of them. If our people collectively wanted to, we could have banks as big as Chase or PNC owned by us. And NOBODY would stop us. First you must understand, that Monotheism brought in a new nomenclature....in the Understanding of God wherein it is realized that All Gods are One.... Which is simply not true. Hence the Trinity...So lets understand God in terms of His/Her Functions - Creator Preserver and Destroyer - Father Son and Holy Ghost. Sounds like you have mixing Christianity, Hinduism, and Gnosticism. Your are Given a title according to the function you Perform... Elohim - The Title of Leader/Father and Authority. No sir. Elohim means DIETIES........plural. Not multiple TITLES but multiple DEITIES. There is no spinning this. Yes Jehovah Yahweh are Translation of ...Yud Hey Vav Hey. "Jehovah" is a MIS-translation. The letter "J" didn't even exist 700 years ago. So what word were they using in the ancient script when it was first written down? No the divine does not contradict. So of the divine does NOT contradict...and the Bible contradicts...then the Bible CAN NOT be divine! What you and I called Evil, is Man made Cultural Construction with real world effects Hot and cold do not exist in reality they are degrees in temperature that we label/title hot are cold....Temperature is One continuum. Actually they do exists because they exist as our perspectives and perspectives are valid. Just like UP is real and DOWN is real though they are also a matter of perspective. So in your understanding God will seem to contradict and do evil. No sir, it's not MY understanding that God does this. It's my understanding that the Bible contradicts itself and shows the Children of Israel doing many heinous things in the name of their Lord Yahoowah. Christ is the Karast....Djed Ka RA - RISING SPIRIT. Paulianity or Christianity as you called it ..... is a Corruption of Karast Ways and Knowledge - Knowing LOL....ok you gave ME some science so let me drop some knowledge on YOU: Christ or Christosisn't of Kemetic origin, but of Iranian Persian origin by way of Greece. Christos is the Greek form of Korus or Cyrus the ancient Persian Emperor who was name as the original "savior" of the Israelites taking them out of Babylon. Neither has that been a reliable form of Deterrent. President Obama said don't let PERFECT be the enemy of the GOOD. Just because it wasn't a PERFECT deterrent doesn't mean it wasn't an EFFECTIVE deterrent that kept murder down. Imagine if NO punishment existed. Maybe but it never worked in the past.... How do you know? I think we have more laws hence we have more criminals and I also think as a result prison population growth rate is outgrowing population growth rate. I agree For the reasons I stated earlier. Education is what needed Again, some people can be educated...some can't. Some can only be TRAINED...and some can't even be that. not much Well check him out on his youtube channel: Earn Your Leisure. https://www.youtube.com/@EarnYourLeisure That's how I found out about Billy Carson whom he features as a guest quite a bit.

This is the brother whom Dr. Umar Johnson comes down in the footsteps of. And before Dr. Jawanza.....you had the late great Dr. Amos Wilson.

Also, let is remember that strictly and by definition....crime is simply breaking the law. When most folks think of crime, they think of robbery, assault, murder, things of that nature. But anytime a law that is on the books is broken...a "crime" has been committed. There are SO MANY laws on the books in the United States that you can't know all of them and are inadvertently breaking the law almost every day in one way or another. Most prosecutors and a lot of law enforcement officials know this and use this to their advantage to pick and choose who they go after for prosecution.

ProfD *Most* and *many* are the words that lead into rabbit holes. Yet it's more accurate than just saying "women" without a qualifier which would suggest the assertion applies to ALL or ALMOST ALL women. Most women all over the planet prefer a man who has the real or perceived *strength* to take of their needs and wants. Facts! A thug or gangsgta will never have a problem finding a woman anywhere in the world because many women are attracted to *bad boys*. They will if they're locked up, where a lot of thugs and gangsters end up...lol. It's no different from men in the military and law enforcement. They aren't violent in or criminal-minded per se but the fact that they are willing to kill or be killed ; many women do find them attractive too. Yes, it's this bravery and ability to protect themselves and those under their care even if it means taking a life and the security it provides makes them attractive. Clearly it's not an accident that thugs, gangsters, even flaming flippish homosexual men have been promoted on television and in the movies as being "attractive" to our sisters and grabbing their attention as opposed to the "square" decent or good brother. Perhaps SOME of it has to do with nature, but....what does a "gay best friend" have to offer a woman that so many find it fashionable to have one hanging around them as "part of the girls"? Seems to me a lot of social engineering is taking place. The powers that be know that instinctively men desire to attract women.....so whatever women are conditioned to find attractive is what most young men will emulate. If the media promotes SERIAL KILLERS as the new fad that "gets all the girls".....guess what will be popular next generation.

But rather say many AMERICAN WOMEN like thugs and gangsters. It's been my observation and experience that most women I've met from from other cultures DO NOT find extremely violent and criminal minded men attractive or sexy. They tend to avoid them and see them as part of the social underclass.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat......lol...is that brutha Kadeem "Dwayen Wayne" Hardison up there??? Brutha looks so different than he did 30 years ago, lol. One of those examples of people's physiques changing that Troy was talking about. I'd like to see Charlene Brown and Cree Summer now.

I haven't done enough research on Cleopatra to actually have a educated opinion on what color she was. If I remember correctly, she was "mixed race" or of different racial backgrounds but I'm not sure. However along with the racist Arabs....I blame Black people for this controversy. I'm talking about the Black people both here and in Africa. We have the money and resources, so why haven't WE made a movie depicted Cleopatra the way WE think she looked?

I believe that Astrology is real and has merit, but I don't trust astrology that comes from the hand of Caucasians. They'll purposely take the truth and TWIST it in order to deceive. Not only do Presidents and other world leaders engage in astrology....even the Vatican engages in it and has some of the largest observatories on the planet. Those in power obviously know there's some truth to astrology whether they admit it or not. But the crap they're putting on in liquor stores and supermarkets for the average person to thumb through.....forget about it.

frankster I am showing why we are still having from Food Justice Issues Well...lol...you're SPLAININ' why our people are still having food and justice issues, not really giving us legitimate reasons. You're saying it's because of racism, and I agree that's a PART of it. However the BULK of it comes from our community being too lazy and too indifferent to focus on growing, distributing, and purchasing proper foods needed for a healthy community. That's not to say all or even most of our people are lazy or indifferent, but enough of them are to make a noticeable impact on the health and wholesomeness of AfroAmerica. What you think White Racist in America stop Destroying in Black business and Organizational successes? Have White racists in America destroyed the McDonalds and other fast food joints owned by Black Americans? Have White racist in America destroyed the hair braiding and barber shops owned by Black Americans? Take a look at this article of the Black owned Marijuana stores in Michigan: 20 Black-owned Michigan cannabis companies you should support | Detroit | Detroit Metro Times Are White racists destroying the businesses of THESE bruthas and sistas who are focusing on growing and distributing DOPE to people instead of healthy foods???? Take the Organization Known as Acorn (not the App) with over 400,000 ( Dues paying ) membership it was targeted and destroyed when it started to implement an Employee Deduction Program. Racists realize that if instituted the organization would net billions in under 5yrs... Acorn was one of the most effective and progressive black led Organization destroyed by Racism that never made it into the News Until the 2008 election campaign threw it into the national spotlight, ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) was well known among its 400,000 member families and other grassroots organizations as a leader in community organizing around social and economic justice issues. But it had little presence on the national political scene......I have to tell you about the attacks on us from the Right. I remember this organization. Fox News did a few hit-jobs on it. I don't know too much about it but if the racists hated it and targeted it....it must have been doing some good. Yes....Why you think all those Right Wing Think Tanks are being paid Billions to do?....To ensure we stay in the ghettos by finding ways to criminalize black success or organizations -Edu/Info/Media, Movement, Fresh Air, Water and Food. Ofcourse....devils are being devils. They've BEEN that way for not just hundreds but THOUSANDS of years....but our people have been dealing with them for HUNDREDS of years; so why is it such a surprise or shock that we aren't preparde for their wicked behavior???? Are you suggesting that AfroAmericans are totally helpless then? Are you suggesting the right wing has our community's food and health on lock and there's nothing THEY can do to help themselves? Food Control is a Major way to control People.....Food is Mood Absolutely! All the more reason we need to grow, distribute, and prepare OUR OWN foods! The question is, why aren't we doing so when we have the opportunity? I think you know the reason for that. Nobody is forcing Black folks to pile up in McDonalds, KFC, and these other fast-food merchants of death to intoxicate themselves with pink slime. They are CHOOSING to do it out of indifference. True.. Most of what we Desire and Focus on is Learnt.....Education again is the Answer Education is ONE of the answers, but at this point I believe SEPARATION is the initial solution before even the Education. We must SEPARATE ourselves from the AfroAmericans who have no desire or will to improve themselves and do nothing to progress our communities but would rather hinder it with their negative behavior. We must do this FIRST if we expect to have lasting progress. If not, we'll just be going in circles constantly RE-building what the negative among us destroy and focusing most of our energy on trying to help and uplift THEM and keep THEM out of trouble. No....cut off the dead weight first. It will not be profitable as the Community you want to serve Lack the Proper Food Education of Nutrition its Necessity Benefits and Preparation. Sugar and Salt is are very Addictive substance...especially when start on early in life or in utero. Facts! Infact, they are actually DRUGS. The white substances like sugar, salt, flour, cocaine, heroin, are EXTRACTIONS from the larger more wholesome herb or plant or mineral they were taken from. Food Coloring and most Food additives are Neurotoxins More facts. Using Words like Societal Laziness, Societal immaturity and Longer to prepare is true of the entire society both black white and other... but are often use as "code" for Black stereotyping. Well to be honest, Whites no longer call our people lazy in public....lol....although many of them still acknowledge that a lot of our people ARE lazy and have been for centuries which is how that stereotype developed. It must be pointed out that laziness doesn't start in the body, it starts in the mind. Black folks were called lazy even as slaves; not because our people didn't work hard...but because many of them didn't have a desire to think for themselves. And you STILL see that trait among lot of our people. We can't ignore the truth and facts simply because they are uncomfortable or because White racists pointed them out. Our focus should be on correcting problems, not making excuses for them or keeping them in the closet so that racists can't use them as ammunition. White Business have access to credit and Racism is guarantee of white success. Black people in this nation have HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars flowing through our hands each year! Why do we need "credit" from White institutions when we can capture some of that money and establish lines of credit among ourselves???? Are you telling me that racism is the reason we don't have more AfroAmerican banks and lending institutions? Oprah, Byron Allen, and LeBron James each have enough money to establish their own banks and credit unions in cities across the U.S.....who's going to stop them in 2023? Elohim Yahweh Jehovah etc are all titles ad honorifics This is what I mean about a wrong understanding about "God" in the Bible. Elohim is a word of plurality meaning "Eloahs" (more than one "Eloah"). An "Eloah" is the name for a Deity in Israelite/Canaanite religion. The word Eloah is often translated as "God" in the Bible. The Biblical translators KNOW that "Elohim" is a plural term yet they purposely translate it as singular for deceptive purposes. Jehovah is NOT a "title"...it's a mis-translation. I also believe (though I don't know for sure) "Yahweh" is a mis-translation also. The correct pronunciation of YHWH is "Yahoowah", the Head God of the Israelites the Israelites. Yes....Jesus is the FulfillMent of God's Love No human being or one man is the "fulfillment" of God's Love....which is eternal and larger than imagination. It is Divine Does the Divine contradict itself? Does the Divine order people to kill innocent children? Christ is Our Saviour....Jesus was not a Christian I agree, Jesus was NOT a Christian. Paul started Christianity.....not Jesus; but if you believe he is your Saviour....then YOU are a Christian. Christianity is a Religion and I do not do religion.......I study the Scriptures and live by many of its Tenets - Old and New Testaments Lol...MANY of it's tenets huh....? So you pick and choose which ones to live by? No I do not believe or know that sociopaths or psychopaths are without conscience....but i will accept that some scientist believe so. Ok, we're making progress....lol. For years now the Punishment for Murder is Death......Yet we still have countless murders every year Soldiers go to War on the say so of others....People commit suicide for their beliefs. People risk death for an adrenaline rush or a dare.....Death is not a deterrent . Know why it's not now???? Because in many societies, it wasn't JUST death that was the punishment but there was TORTURE along with the death and HOW a person was killed that dettered the public from murder. Today a person is just lain on a cot and lethally injected, or put in a chair and electrocuted. In the past, a person was often stripped naked and whipped to death or placed in a pit and had stones bust him upside the head until he brains were knocked out.....a gruesome way to die. THAT was the deterrent. I guarantee you that if they made "Death by Whipping" the standard punishment for 1st degree murder in America....homicides would PLUMMET by 95%. Race is not biological...some individuals express more or less Melanin than that others.... Because melanin content isn't the ONLY factor that determines race. Heredity, hair texture, facial shape, and other genetic factors determine a person's race. You are defining a Meritocracy.....Class has to do with Aristocracy One doesn't necessarily cancel out or abrogate the other. You can have Aristocracy who arrived at that position THROUGH Meritocracy In many organizations, you have well admired high ranks and degrees that people were able to achieve through hard work, great deeds, and proper focus. Is crime increasing proportionally respective to the growing population at large or shrinking? To be honest, it's hard for me to say because I don't trust the statistics being put out for crime rates. Many many crimes are not documented. From personal observation, I would say that people in general are a little more violent than they were 30 years ago because of more access to powerful weapons, plus the girls tend to fight more today than they did in the past. We had had prisons for hundreds of years and yet crime outstrips population growth If this is true, it's because crime in this nation (like disease) is being CONTROLED....not prevented. Prison is an INDUSTRY in the U.S. and wasn't currently designed as crime prevention measure SO MUCH as it's designed to be FILLED for PROFIT and CHEAP LABOR. In order for prisons to be filled you NEED CRIME. So it behooves the powers that be that for the more prisons we have the more crime is needed to justify their existence. Its not working it needs to be replace by something that works more effectively. Again, it's working the way it was DESIGNED to work. But I wholeheartedly agree that we need something that works far more effectively on reducing and preventing crime. No....what if another method can save two lives instead of one? It depends on that "second life" you're talking about saving. If it's the life of a pedophile or serial killer....should it be spared? I see criminality as a Maladaptive dysfunction......Not an Innate Compulsion. Perhaps we need to back up a bit..... If we go to the raw definition, what is "crime"? Simply breaking a law. 1. Laws were made by man, human beings. 2. Between the Federal, State, and Local jurisdictions -there are MILLIONS of laws in the United States....some are good, some are bad. Everyone has and is breaking a law at some point because there are so many....many of which contradict eachother....we don't even know them all and unintentionally break them day to day. So simply breaking a few laws or breaking UNJUST laws that don't cause harm to others....is not who I'm speaking of when I say "criminal". I'm talking about those who routinely harm and steal from people...especially as a way of life. I believe SOME of those people if not a majority of them, are compelled to do this at a certain point and need some sort of correction to curtail their behavior. BTW....I see you are knowledgeable about brother Billy Carson. I listen to him from time to time. Lol...however what do you know about brother 19 Keys??? Troy This exchange between frankster and myself is a TASTE of those old school "multiple page" discussions I used to watch and engage in back in the day when message boards were more popular with brothers from the Nation of Islam and Hebrew Israelites and others deep into various forms of knowledge. In one thread we could argue about ONE WORD for an entire week before moving on in the SAME conversation which would be on-going for weeks it not months.....40 and 50 pages in one thread, lol.

frankster Not True Black Businesses could not avail themselves of Credit from Lending Institutions - The real cause is Discriminatory Lending - in Housing it was called RedLining. FHA, ECOA and CRA are Fair Lending Laws/Acts passed to remedy the onslaught of Discriminatory Lending - It survive as Predatory Lending and Odious Debt 1. You're speaking in the PAST TENSE while I'm talking about RIGHT NOW. 2. Again, I acknowledge the role racism played and is still playing in the acquisition of Black businesses in general and Black supermarkets and food distrubition centers in specific...however the disagreement is over HOW BIG of a role racism actually plays. And again.... I'm telling you the Honorable Marcus Garvey and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad were building businesses including restaurants and grocery stores serving good nutritious food in AfroAmerican communities all over the United States back during the height of legal Segregation where the laws OPENLY limited Black movement and economic success. You mean to tell me in 1990 and 2000 and 2010 and 2023 Black folks in America today are so oppressed and curtailed by red-lining that they can ONLY establish weed shops, McDonalds franchises, barbershops, hair braiding stores, and soul food joints.....not fresh markets grocery stores to feed the community? Come on bro, get real. It's not a matter of ability as much as it's a matter of DESIRE and FOCUS. 1. Most Black business owners don't WANT to build these institutions and 2.A large percentage of our people don't WANT to eat the healthiest of foods because they don't taste like the fast food they're used to and take longer to prepare. Societal laziness and societal immaturity That's the truth. Yes there was more black owned stores during the time of Segregation....it was a necessity. Integration allow Blacks to shop where they pleased....Lacking access to Credit many black businesses could not compete. Exactly, that's part of my point. AfroAmericans CHOSE to abandon their own businesses and go whoring after racist White institutions whom they "believe" have more to offer. That's not the fault of racism so much as it's the fault of disloyalty and indifference to the overall success of the Black community in America that a lot of our people harbor. It's not so much about lack of access to credit, as much as it is being RESPONSIBLE with the credit you DO have access too as well as SAVING up enough money to buy your business property and supplies outright. Careful Pioneer1 less you reveal your Heart..... your words seemed borrowed from the Racists Playbook. Lol...oh really? So was brother Malcolm X borrowing HIS lines out of the Racists Playbook when he correctly noted that a lot of our people run THEIR OWN communities down and blame White folks for it and also said that a lot our people don't have sense enough to establish businesses in our own community to keep our dollars with us? Then share with me your interpretation of what the word "God" means in the Bible? The first thing to understand is that "God" is an English/Germanic word that wasn't used in the actual scriptures. It's a TRANSLATED word. So what was the original word(s) used before the translation? The two major words were "Elohim" and "Eloah". One is the plural form of the other. Just To be clear in the bible Israel is under Contract....under Law Ok, you proved your point about the Bible stating that Israel was in a contract/covenant with God. Not that I actually believe it; but my question was was it actually in the Bible......and you showed me. Outside the Bible we are Under Grace.....God's Love We're under God's love both inside AND outside the Bible. The Error is in your ability to Comprehend what is being communicated. I admit I clearly don't know all and can't comprehend all, but I do have a reasonably good understanding and comprehension of the Bible. It's the SPIN a lot of Christians and preachers put on it that causes problems. They'll take a scripture that is as plain as day to understand and put a spin on it claiming it doesn't mean what it clearly says. Or they'll try to iron out a blaring contradiction. I stand with scripture - We Human Beings are Social creatures and are Born with Conscience. You can stand with scripture if you want. Just understand that it's not Divine, but the script of human beings...who's knowledge was very limited at that time. Those who wrote those scriptures had a very limited and rudimentary understanding of psychology and psychiatry at that time so they would say "human beings are born with a conscience" not understanding that some people are born psychopaths. I do not do Religion.....Spirituality is my quest You can be Spiritual as much as your heart desires, however if you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior then you DO have a religion, called Christianity. All Social Creatures have a Conscience.....whether they obey it or not is Free Will. We'll have to agree to disagree. We know that some people are born without a "conscience" and they're called PSYCHOPATHS. Others...for one reason or another....lose their conscience and are known as SOCIOPATHS I think they had access ..... what change - is that they no longer have to hide. Access at the risk of execution is NOT what I call "access"....lol. It's like a civilian having "access" to a military base or the Pentagon. I guess as long as they have legs they can physically attempt to walk onto and "access" it but the consequences of such....like the consequences of a White woman at that time trying to "access" a Black man...would one they'll regret. Yet Our military did not do so well in Vietnam....they are looking at the weak link. The U.S. military did was well as it WANTED to do in Vietnam. It was a PROJECT designed to clear the streets of America of a lot of "unwanted" Black and poor White young men whom some in the government believed weren't enough jobs and resources to supply them with. Most wars are forms of population control Social Constructs are only real in a existing Social Order......Race Class and Caste are Social Constructs. 1. CASTE and CLASS....just like rank and nobility...are social constructs. 2. Racial CLASSIFICATION...is a social construct. But RACE ITSELF is NOT a "social construct" but a biological reality. In other words, the differences between these two men are not just on paper but are ACTUAL and BIOLOGICAL. However how they are CLASSIFIED is a matter of social interpretation. To each His Own.....Which is your preference? I'd personally prefer a CLASS system. Castes tend to be inborn and from my studies of history, people tend to be stuck in their particular castes from birth to death and rarely move from them. Where as in a CLASS system, through one's abilities and ofcourse Divine Assistance as is the case with most successes in life....a person has more of a chance to improve their class and move up. Yet Criminal activity continues....Prisons and Retributive Justice as a deterrent has failed. Just because crime exists, doesn't mean the Prison system has failed. That's like saying just because sickness and accidents still occur....HOSPITALS must have failed, lol. 1. If it serves as a deterrent and REDUCES crime to any measurable extent...then it has not failed. It may not be working at optimal or ideal levels, but reducing crime to ANY measurable extent is better than not reducing crime at all. If ONE LIFE can be saved out of the fear of going to prison.....it would be worth it, wouldn't you say? 2. As I said before, the system as actually working the way they designed it to. It wasn't designed to stop or solve crime....it was designed to CONTAIN it and keep it in certain areas as well as profit off of it. They will be apprehended and given the care they need. See, and that mentality is part of the problem. You said apprehended and given the CARE they need....yet you said nothing about giving them the PUNISHMENT they deserve. That type of mentality actually leads to a lot of vigilantes where a lot of victims and victims' loved ones feel they have to take the law in their own hands. So we agree. Lol...we tend to agree on MOST things. But we usually only discuss and debate that which we DISAGREE on though because it tend to be more interesting and mind sharpening. Sorry for the late response, but I wanted to give your post the respect it deserves so I wait until I have the time to respond properly! Troy I would like to explore the issue of spirituality versus religion, at some point. Hey, Bang out a thread and I'm down....lol.

No I didn't, he was simply wrong. Fools and Idiots aren't necessarily the same. An idiot is incapable of earning a PhD

Stay tuned for an in-depth response..........

I just don't understand how I can be born and raised in the same nation, in the same culture, usually in the same age group and often facing the same issues growing up and living as a Black man in this society----why are my views and way of thinking so much different? I'm not a drug user, nor have I been diagnosed with mental illness that may cause me to hallucinate; however when I speak/type, a lot of people think it's the most ridiculous assertion or opinion in the world, lol. So I suppose I'm the only one who feels these racists should be ignored....not engaged with? ProfD Silence is not an option especially when the enemy tries to infiltrate the camp. Call them out. Well.................. I wouldn't exactly call what they did "infiltrating". They aren't sneaking in here clandestinely. They basically came knocking at the door and Troy opened it up and let them in. "Hey guys! We came to play.....can we come in?" I don't think any amount of conversation is going to change them or their agenda..

What a beautiful sista! I hope she has a long and happy marriage. Especially with plenty of children. More little "Simones" running around with big smiles and doing flips.....lol.

Interesting conversation! Very interesting!!!!

While you're correct in assessing the ORIGINS of self-hate, the CONSEQUENCES of it are often harmful and deadly to those being victimized by one filled with self hatred. And often have to be avoided or dealt with for one's very own survival.

Troy You were in highschool back in the 70's?????????? Damn. Those were the Maude and Welcome Back Kotter days.....lol..

ProfD Even worse than them wanting to rule the world is a lot of people of color would RATHER them rule the world than let another African or Asian run it.

richardmurray You think most Black people in America have a negative view towards Whites? I tell you what....... Next time you are around a group of AfroAmerican men and a White girl with a big butt or wide hips come around, look at their reaction and you tell me if it's "negative". Same thing with our sistaz.... The next time you are around a group of AfroAmerican women and a little White child.....especially a baby....come around grinning and slobbering, look at how they treat that baby and you tell me if it's "negative". I believe a large portion of our people are IN LOVE with White people.