Interesting video...........

My thought on it is that while it IS interesting and informative to a certain extent, we must keep in mind that it's being presented to us by a CAUCASIAN.....so stop right there.

Anytime you have information being presented to you by a member of a group of people WELL KNOWN for being masters of confusion and deception, you must take it with a grain of salt and be very suspect of all of the information being offered.

1. He starts off with confusion by referring to Europeans as "Westerners" when geographically speaking Europe as just as far west as Africa.  

If you mean "European" or "White man" then SAY THAT, and stop masking it up in confusing terms!

2. He focuses on Africa and why Europe was so successful in conquering Africa but only makes passing references to those same Europeans being able to conquer Asia as well as both American continents EVEN MORE thoroughly than Africa!

What were his intentions in making it seem as if Africa was an anomaly, when the rest of the world shared the same fate under the Europeans?

He does a half-way decent  job disproving what Jared Diamond says in his book but when it comes to explaining what HE believes is the reason why Europe was able to dominate and colonize so much more of the planet than any other group he doesn't offer an alternative answer.

In fact, he dismisses it by saying that we may "never know the answer" at the 1: 25 minute mark.  And we know that ALL questions have answers.  Which makes me wonder if the THINKS he has the answers to the question but doesn't want to reveal them.
 

But on the flip side I DID learn something from this video. 

I learned about the Great Benin City!

Although I knew of Benin as an empire, I hadn't remembered even hearing of Benin City until this video.  Now I'm going to do more research on this great West African pre-colonial city.

Thanx for the video.
 

Delano

I've heard of and read through that book.

I don't recall reading in it that West Africans actually DID explore much of the world from Europe to East Asia and there is much evidence that they knew about and had sailed to the Americas centuries BEFORE Columbus.  Yet with all of this traveling Africans didn't seem to have a desire to COLONIZE the people (take the land and force the people in it to work for them) they visited, like the Europeans did.

The book may focus on comparing Europe with Africa....
but we must remember that there are OTHER continents filled with OTHER people who apparently didn't have the desire to colonize either.
So instead of comparing Europe with just Africa, maybe it would be better to compare Europe with THE REST OF HUMANITY and ask the question why THEY (E (Europeans) are more likely than any other group to go around colonizing other lands.

What was and is it about their particular thinking patterns and genetics that influence them and makes them WANT to do this to other people more so than any other group?

Delano

Power resides with the ruling elite, which are a few families that have old money. Which as far as I can tell in the US doesn't include Black folks. So while it looks like racee it is always about power.

Ok, I hear what you're saying.......

So if it's NOT about race but ALWAYS about power then why doesn't the  Elite class in the United States INCLUDE Black people in it's ranks?

They say AfroAmericans make up about 14% of the U.S. population so taking statistical margins of error into account I would say that if race ISN'T a factor then anywhere from 12% to 16% of that Elite class SHOULD be made up of AfroAmericans.

Any idea why this isn't the case?
 

Delano

The plantation system was rebranded: Massa  -> Owner , Overseer -> Manager , Miss Ann -> Reception , House Slaves -> Middle Office , Field Slaves -> Back Office
 

Or
 

Massa = Warden

Overseers = Corrections Officers

Slaves = Prisoners

Eastern Europe is very different than the South in terms of climate .

This helps to prove my case that slavery in the United States IS for the most part racially based.

It's not the ONLY factor, but it was a major and probably main factor.
How well a collective group of people tolerate sun and heat is a matter of genetics (race).

Your comment ignores "racial" differences 

Because Troy didn't see race involved in slavery and believes it was strictly economics.  
My illustration shows how it made LESS economic sense to go all the way to Africa trading, fighting, buying, and stealing people....many of whom ended up dying on their way over on the ship......if it were all about money.

Troy

 The fact that white people were enslaved both here and Europe for all of recorded history means nothing to you...
 

Ok, so White people were enslaved!
Lol....so what?

Hell, Caucasians were enslaved BEFORE Africans were.

Now how does that fact DISPROVE what I said about United States slavery being racially motivated?

I'm glad you grew in a nice community.

Well you don't SOUND like it....lol.
You sound more like my angry cousins from the hard ghetto who used to clown on and bully the kids in my neighborhood and take their bikes and other toys away from them until they got ready to go back home....that is.....unless the relatives of THOSE kids were visiting from another ghetto and fought them off.  Then THEY became the bullies on the block until THEY went home.

The ORIGINAL BeBe's kids.....lol.



 

With your background @Pioneer1 why aren't you wearing a MAGA hat? Bring back the good old days when women knew their place and homos were in the closet right?

I don't know about all of that, I  know that in the 1970s through the early 80s (periods that I actually remember) AfroAmericans collectively in the Detroit and Chicago area did MUCH better than they did in the 2000s.
There were more Black business and more Black love.

And from what I HEARD from those who were older than me,  there was a lot of success and prosperity reaching back into the late 50s among AfroAmericans in those cities!
A totally different story from the narrative we hear from a lot of economists today, but I got it from eye witnesses who were actually AROUND in those days to verify what was really going on.
 

My kids and I had it FAR better off. Than my parents and I. The average Black person is better off today
 

You're looking at things from a selfish and limited point of view, you're not taking  AfroAmerican communities through out the ENTIRE nation into consideration.

I'm telling you that in the Midwest and South most AfroAmerican communities were in WORSE shape in the early 2000s than they were in the 1970s and 1980s.
They did NOT live as good as their parents did and lost most of the houses and businesses that their parents left them.

Clearly AfroAmericans in the Midwest and South had a different experience than our brothers and sisters on the Eastcoast because of it's much larger manufacturing base...and it's collapse.  But even on the Coasts (specifically New York and Los Angeles) many former mostly AfroAmerican neighborhoods have been ruined by the Crack pandemic and either gentrified or destroyed.

More AfroAmericans are incarcerated today than in any other time in history....how can you say things are better?
 

Troy

Of course slavery is about economics (wealth), what else was it about?

Race.
They specifically went to Africa to import people for slavery instead of using the MILLIONS of poor Caucasians in Eastern Europe they could have just as easily used.
They could have brought them here and enslaved them for a much cheaper cost and it would have been much safer than having to travel all the way to Africa and back.

It's clearly a racial issue because we see the same group of people operating in the same discriminatory and destructive way all over the world whether they are doing it to Black people, Brown people, or Yellow people.....the SAME group of the SAME color is responsible.

Or as Neely Fuller Jr. would call them, the "Usual Suspects"....lol.

Troy  &  Daniel

You are CLEARLY too young (or privileged) to remember the crime ridden, under served urban ghettos of the 70s and 80s in places like NYC, Newark, DC, Philly, ... to make that statement.

You are so right @Troy. They just don’t know what it was like when Black men under 35 were considered an endangered species.

Don't mean to start trippin' over region but YALL need to wrap your minds around the fact that not all AfroAmerican lived packed up in large ghetto tenements and high rises as was so common for AfroAmericans on the Eastcoast.
 

Back in the 1970s........
If you had LEFT that region and traveled to the Industrial Midwest and visited places like Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Gary, ect....you'd find MILLIONS of AfroAmericans living in nice big homes, with well kept yards, driving nice cars, and making plenty of money from working on manufacturing jobs that were plentiful at the time.

New York and the East Coast in general wasn't big on manufacturing so it didn't attract as many AfroAmericans as the Industrial Midwest did.  And from what I've heard and read most of the AfroAmericans it DID attract end up having to turn into criminals just to make a living and survive.  

My father and his brothers left the south as young men and one of my uncles decided to go live in Brooklyn instead of Detroit....BIG MISTAKE.
While my father AND mother did pretty well on their working class jobs raising us my father used to tell me the stories that my uncle would tell HIM from living in New York.   About the crime and violence he would see just walking down the street on his way to get something to eat and how the people lived.  This was the early 60s through the mid-80s until my uncle passed away.

Another lived in D.C.....same story.

I guess in a way we WERE spoiled in Detroit because we had an AfroAmerican mayor who protected us from a lot of the racism and obvious economic oppression that so many AfroAmericans around the nation experienced.   I grew up seeing Black mayors, Black police officers, Black judges, Black lawyers, Black folks running things (so I thought) so a lot of the bullshit I would hear AfroAmericans talk about on television living was foreign to me as a kid.

I remember when NWA and other rappers came out cussing about racist police abuse and how all they want to do is lock up and shoot down black men...I couldn't relate because even in the mid-80s most of the police in Detroit were Black.
Now in the SUBURBS it was a different story, but we didn't go out there much.
It wasn't until I actually went to California and SAW how the police treated AfroAmericans there that I could halfway understand what they were rapping about.
 

Now don't get me wrong.....

Chicago, Detroit, and Milwaukee had it's slums and violence, but MOST AfroAmericans didn't live in them.
I would say right up to the mid 1980s less than HALF of the AfroAmericans were living in the ghetto, most were doing good.
But that's right around the time things really began to decline fast because the last of the factory jobs were leaving.

From what I could tell, most Black folks lived pretty decent down South too back in the 1970s and 80s.

Alulkoy

How do you know so much about Native Americans to "correct" us.
Are you a REAL Native American or one of those pale "Prete-ndians" who only CLAIM Native American ancestry when it's convenient?

And like Troy asked, what the hell is an "abo-centric"??????
 

Del

The real fight is class warfare

Class warfare may be A real fight, but it's not THE real fight.  Unless you're talking about racial classes.

This "it's all about economics" or "slavery was about economics" attitude is a form of denial and simplism.
It's a red herring tossed out by the White Supremacists to cause confusion among people of color and take the focus off of THEM.  
They do the same thing by promoting Socialism as a solution to racism.....as if things would be any different under White Socialist rule.
If anyone denies this then tell me what skin color are those as the VERY TOP and what skin color are those as the VERY BOTTOM of the economy of the planet.

I had to cuss out a Caucasian man a couple days ago who went to an AfroAmerican event trying to convince them that just supporting socialism would be a solution to all of their problems and some silly starry-eyed negroes were falling for it.
 

What country do Blacks call their own. What Language what culture, other than what grew out of Slavery.

Are you serious?
When you say "Blacks" are you talking about Black people WORLD WIDE or just AfroAmericans?

Yeah they got a few Casino what did we get?

The White House for 8 years?

I know it's not the REAL seat of power, but it looked good for symbolism...lol.

Daniel

That’s not the case. Native Americans define the bottom. 

I believe this to be the case also.

We still have most of our own continent as well as hundreds of millions of us scattered through out the Western Hemisphere with various forms of wealth and power distributed among us.  The Native Americans have had BOTH continents stolen from them and many are catching all types of hell.
 

It's been my observation that MOST true Native Americans don't even recognize themselves as Native American but call themselves "Latino"

Blacks are doing way better in America than they believe they are. We will continue to grow and prosper if we don’t allow ourselves to be distracted. 

Not sure how old you are but I'm pushing 50 and I can tell you that collectively speaking AfroAmericans were MUCH better off in the 70s and early 80s than they were about 5 years ago over 2 years ago overall.

The AfroAmerican family was more intact.
They had more well paying manufacturing jobs.
They had more of their own businesses.

Fewer were incarcerated.
Fewer children were being born autistic, asthmatic, and other chronic diseases.

The success and prosperity our people had at that time was more WHOLISTIC, more under our control, and better for the overall good of the community....kind of like what the Asians are experiencing today.
As opposed to a flashy, flamboyant , "controlled" wealth of today  where a handful of negroes are paid to engage in self-destructive behavior.

Daniel

please tell me an Aztec Myth or one of the Lenapi or the Picts.

Besides Quetzecoatl, I don't know any myths OF the Aztecs, Lenapi, or Picts.  
However, I know that the Picts THEMSELVES....who were the original Black inhabitants of Western Europe...were mythologized as the "Trolls" and  "Leprachauns" of Scottish and Irish mythology to hide the Black origins of early Europe.

White Supremacy is the same. Jesse Owens comes to mind. 

But White Supremacy isn't a myth, it's an IDEOLOGY and SYSTEM.

Jesse Owens being able to out run a German may have embarrassed Hitler but didn't  shake the Caucasian power structure one bit.  
Hell, they INCORPORATE Black athletes and make money off of their talents...lol.

What makes a person Black? All humans originated in Africa, besides cultural difference they are one people. 

If cultural differences were the ONLY differences between human beings....then even CULTURAL differences would not exist.

All cultures (diet, language, thought patterns, ect....) are a result of both the ENVIRONMENT and GENETICS of a particular group that help shape their behavior.

For example.......
If you study societies that have  POLYGAMOUS marriage structures (like West Africans)....you find that the men tend to have high testosterone genetics; and on the flip side societies with MONOGAMOUS marriage  structures (like northern Europeans) are societies where most of the men have low testosterone genetics.

It's the same with diet
Those cultures that have a lot of spicy foods usually are populated with people with a genetics for a wide variety of taste buds.

Your GENETICS influence the type of culture your people will practice because it influences your behavior, likes, dislikes, and tendencies.

Tanning is part of of many Caucasian cultures, but not part of ANY African culture....due to genetics of melanin.

So there are more differences between humans groups than JUST culture because something CAUSED those cultures to be different in the first place besides climate and environment.

I constantly hear you gripping about White Supremacy, I don’t hear you mentioning Asian Supremacy or Mexican La Raza Supremacy. 

Because they don't exist...lol.

There can only be ONE group in charge and hold the position of most powerful at a time.
If White Supremacists are in charge and run the world....the Asians and Mexican CAN'T be supreme by definition.
One can have more power over the other....but neither are supreme.

Now, personally I don't like that term "White Supremacy" because ONLY The SUPREME BEING is "Supreme".
I prefer to use "Caucasian Domination" instead but most people haven't heard of the term.

Even Yacub was an experiment performed on a black man to create the white man.  Oh another myth. I hope that demonstrates I know what myths are and how they live and die. 

Lol, it demonstrated to me as well as CONFIRMED for me what I thought but wasn't quite sure of....that you (not sure about Delano) didn't know what an actual myth was.

At any rate....
A "myth" is a SYMBOLIC STORY.

It's not a simple story or fable or tale.....but a type of CODED LANGUAGE constructed by a secret society designed to hide certain truths from the general public so that only those with the keys to DE-CODE the story will understand.

For example......
Adam and Eve is a MYTH that symbolizes the early makings of the Caucasian race.  

Noah and the Ark is another MYTH written to symbolize the Caucasian coming down from the mountains.
 

Like most myths around the planet, they were written by priests and secret societies to HIDE certain truths from the public but reveal them only to certain initiates and adepts.
 

Delano and Daniel

I may be wrong, but based on how you're using the term.....I'm not sure if you two know what a "myth" actually is.

 

Troy

 

I'm sure most people, even white ones, would choose personal wealth over maintaining an antiquated system of white supremacy.

White Supremacy isn't antiquated, it's alive and quite strong.
The reasons why you don't believe that some Caucasians would rather live in poverty and MAINTAIN White Supremacy rather than selling their own out and living in comfort is because you don't understand how White Supremacists think.
They think like ANTS....willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of maintaining the system.

That's why a book was written about 20 years ago called "What's Wrong With Kansas?" that questions why so many Caucasians in America SEEMINGLY routinely vote against their own best financial interests.

Many of our people are so selfish many of them don't even want to sacrifice themselves for their OWN CHILDREN let alone their entire race.

I don't, for a microsecond, believe that the white homeless people I see in every city are actors or people taking one for the team, to maintain white supremacy. That is absurd on it's face

The reason you don't believe it is because YOU aren't a White Supremacist and you don't think like they do......
 

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Homeless Man Leaves Behind Surprise: $4 Million

An article in the online newsletter of a Catholic mission in Phoenix revealed that Walters died two years ago at the age of 76. He left an estate worth about $4 million. Along with the money he left for NPR, Walters also left money for the mission.

But something distinguished Walters from any number of solvent, well-to-do Americans with seven-figure estates: He was homeless.

Belle knew him as a very well-informed man who could fix her air conditioning — someone she just assumed had a place to live. Then he told her that he had no home. She heard that he slept on the grounds of the senior center. He told her he ate at the hospital and used a telephone there or at the center.

 

https://www.npr.org/2009/07/27/111091624/homeless-man-leaves-behind-surprise-4-million

 

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S.F. man is homeless -- by choice / He has a trust fund but prefers life on the street, off the wagon

 

For years, there have been rumors among the homeless downtown that a drifter in North Beach was sleeping in the gutter while he had all the money he needed in the bank.

It's true. That drifter is 68-year-old Lou Dinarde.

Dinarde is homeless, he often sleeps in the gutter or on the sidewalk, and he has plenty of cash -- a trust fund that at one point was worth nearly $700,000. He draws $2,500 a month from the fund plus $500 a month in Social Security.

 

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/S-F-man-is-homeless-by-choice-He-has-a-2833486.php

 

Should I go on with MORE examples?
Because I can post them all day.

For DECADES people have known that SOME (not all) homeless people have plenty of money but CHOOSE to be homeless for one reason or another, this is nothing new.

The question is WHY?

And how many BLACK or BROWN people have you known or even HEARD OF with millions of dollars in the bank who "choose" to live on the street?
Again, you aren't a White Supremacist so you don't understand their thinking process.

Troy

Many if not most independently weatlhy people work greed and a desire to do something significant are powerful motivators.

I agree.
I believe that the ideology of White Supremacy is not only a very powerful motivator for most Caucasians......but it probably is MUCH MORE powerful than the desire for wealth itself!

How else can we explain so many TRULY poor (not just actors) Caucasians who would rather remain in a state of poverty and support policies and politicians who they know will keep them in that state, rather than support policies and politicians who would help EVERYONE improve their conditions in society?

Their allegiance is to "the system" and it's maintenance, and they are RELIGIOUSLY  against any disruptions of it even if those disruptions would work in their favor and benefit them.

Otherwise, what keep jeff Bezos at it?

Perhaps a more accurate way of putting it is WHO is keeping Mr. Bezos at it?

If there's anything you've learned from watching politics.......
If his name and picture are out in public and we know who he is, you best believe there are those who are MORE wealthy and MORE powerful behind him backing him up and pushing him out as their front man for the public to focus on.
 

Jeffrey

By both sides, I was referring to the Black/white people dichotomy I felt was implied. But that was just a personal observation, nothing in particular presented to be addressed.  

OK.
Yeah, you do have Caucasians who are also asleep but not nearly as many as there are of our people (if you are AfroAmerican).
 

You must also understand that under the system of Caucasian Domination (also known as "White Supremacy" ),  you have characters known as WHITE ACTORS and WHITE SACRIFICES.

Neely Fuller Jr. teaches that White Supremacists are master deceivers and can often PRETEND to be ignorant and asleep when they are really NOT.  They just pretend to be in order to fool people of color and throw them off guard and deceive them about the pervasiveness of racism.

You're new to the site, but others can tell you about my belief that a lot of APPARENTLY homeless or drug addicted  "down and out" looking Caucasians are in reality healthy, smart, and well connected but they PURPOSELY put themselves in those positions to be SEEN.  To trick you and throw you off to how organized the system of racism really is and how specifically it targets people of color.   
These White Actors are props set up for other Caucasians to point to, jump up and down, and say...
 

"Hey....see buddy. It's not about race or color but about  CAPITALISM !"

...or imperialism, or e.t. control of the planet or some other bullshit to focus you on instead of racism.

As ridiculous as this may sound...it is real.

If you're an AfroAmerican growing up I'm sure you've known Caucasian kids who "acted Black" to try to fit in, but did you ever ask yourself WHY they would want to?

Then you also have the White Sacrifices who are truly fallen on hard times, they aren't acting....they are poor for real.
 But that's a different story.

I appreciate your perspective.  But just to challenge you (I'm not completely sure of my position yet):  Could your effort to not waste time also be perceived as a form of indifference? 

No.
Indifference means you don't care.

We do care.

The fact that so many of us are (or were) frustrated at the conditions of our community is a sign that we do care.
It's those you NEVER hear talking about the conditions of the AfroAmerican community and don't think there's a problem at all despite the widespread devastation that almost anyone who comes to America can see.....are the AfroAmericans who you should suspect of not caring.

Some of them HAVE CHILDREN with autism, are on social media all day and all night...and don't mention a word about the causes or treatments of autism....because they DO NOT CARE.
 

If you go to a hospital emergency room seeking care, unless your problem is severe enough they put you into a system called TRIAGE where they make you wait while they take care of patients who are in much more dire need.  It's not like they don't care, but they are organizing whom they focus their attention on by level of seriousness and how they can do the most good.

We can learn a lesson by focusing our energy on those of us who truly love our people and want to do the most good and progress, INSTEAD of spreading it thinly over everybody......or even worse....concentrating it on trying to save those who don't even WANT to be saved as has been the case for the past 40 years or so.

The door will always be open, but this world is collapsing and it's time for us to enter into a NEW WORLD.
....the New World Order that so many Caucasians fear coming.

 Do we have some level of obligation to the "85ers" (both the ignorant and the indifferent among us)? 

To a certain extent.....yes.
According to the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad (to which I obviously attribute SOME of my beliefs) it is the duty of the civilize to TRY to reach and teach the uncivilized.  However you can't civilize EVERYONE.

I'm not sure if you've ever read the Problem Book in the NOI Lessons but we are also instructed NOT to waste time trying to turn "rusty locks".
Some locks are so old and rusty that you'll break the key off trying to turn them....lol....you'd need a SLEDGE HAMMER to get to that mind.

Everyone isn't going to be civilized or saved.
You have to have the wisdom to know who can and who probably won't (except by a miracle) and no longer waste precious time on them.

Musa, when he went up into the caves and hills of the Caucasus mountains to civilize the savages wasn't successful in civilizing ALL of them.
Many if not most actually REMAINED in that savage condition long after he had left.
He had to leave it up to a trained group he left behind to reach and teach the others after he accomplished his mission and left because he couldn't stay forever.
 

Jeffrey

I know Five Percenters use a similar sleep analogy.  The doctrine claims both sides are sleeping.

Some would consider ME part of the proverbial 5%, although I don't generally call myself a poor righteous teacher.
But when you say "both sides", WHICH two sides are you talking about exactly, so that I can know how to address it.

What is the significance of distinguishing ignorance and indifference?

To determine who you should spend your time helping, and who would be a WASTE of time on.

If I meet someone who is just ignorant of something and wants to learn.....and I know it....then I will gladly sit down and teach them as best I could.

However if I run into someone who is INDIFFERENT and doesn't care one way or the other.....I'm not going to waste time on them.  
No matter what I say to them they won't be impressed.

In fact, trying to reach them would only be IRRITATING to them and would probably even make them angry.
You're trying to talk to THEM about the government bringing in dope to destabilize the AfroAmerican community   and you see their eyes turning red and darting around as they start acting restless like they are already tired of what you're talking about.
He doesn't want to hear that shit....lol.
He wants some weed!
He starts cracking jokes and asking you that if the government is in the dope business then where IS the government because he wants some dope right about now!
 

Not only will I NOT waste precious time with a fool like that....
I MIGHT even direct him to the nearest liquor store (if that's what he really wants)  as a favor....hoping  he'll return the favor one day if I need it.


Too much precious time has already been wasted trying to chase the wildest and craziest of our people down, stick a funnel in their mouth, and FORCE knowledge and civility down their throats....when we should have been spending that time and energy working with those who are eager to improve themselves.

Although those anti-Biden ads are funny as hell....
It's not so much about what Agent Orange IS doing, as much as it's what the Establishment is NOT doing.
They are pretty much allowing him to remain in office and do what he's doing unhampered.
 

The Establishment (which includes Congress, Law Enforcement, Main Stream Media, etc...) are generally the ones charged with the responsibility of determining who gets in office and who stays in office as well as who's punished and removed from office.
This is NOT a Democracy and the masses DON'T make those decisions....the Establishment does.
However, since 2016 the Establishment has RELIGIOUSLY (with devoted and reliable consistency) turned a BLIND EYE to over 90% of what this man has done and said in order to get him PUT him in office and KEEP him  in office regardless as to how vile or racist or irrational it may be.
For example......
 

10 years ago saying something racist or sexist in the open would get you IMMEDIATELY kicked out of office by the Establishment because it was bad for business....but since 2016 the media branch of the establishment just treats Agent Orange's racist and sexist statements as terms of endearment as if they are coming from a crazy old beloved uncle.

10 years ago being caught in ONE major lie  was enough to get you IMMEDIATELY kicked out, but now the media pretty much TEASES him about lying 10,00 times a day and the political branch of the Establishment just ignores the fact that he lies and continues support.
 

Once it was established that Russia was paying the Afghans to kill U.S. soldiers and Agent Orange knew about it - THAT RIGHT THERE would have sealed the fate of the average person in office and spark immediate impeachment hearings from BOTH sides of the aisle as well as the media but the fact that the Main Stream Media has attempted to sweep this story under the rug and go back to business as usual is PROOF that the Establishment is hell bent on keeping him in office regardless as to what he says or does....he's STAYING....as far as they're concerned.

So it's not him or his abilities so much as those who are backing him.

You may be surprised to hear this from me, but I don't believe being a "racist" has anything to do with power or the lack there of.  
I think it is all centered around your beliefs.  
Which means I do believe Africans, Asians, and Native Americans CAN be racist.
However we must differentiate between racism and COUNTER-racism.

For example......
When I say that I have an automatic distrust of Caucasians UNTIL one as an individual proves to me that they can be and are trustworthy, that is not racism but that is COUNTER-racism.

Just like when a woman automatically distrusts  all men after having been repeatedly violated and abused by men as a child UNTIL they show themselves to be trustworthy,  she's not being sexist but COUNTER-sexist.

 

Chev

 

AGAIN, I understand you in that you think all White men and your version of Jews have their own set of Y-DNA and don't stem from one Black African Y-DNA origin or any Black Male origins.
 

That's not an understanding.
That is a MIS-understanding.
 

Most, Jews actually do have SOME African origin.
And I've also told you although they don't come from Africans specifically -ALL Caucasians come from Black people.

I understand that  you think Moses of the Bible did not exist in Egypt and you think he came down out of the mountains the then went back up the mountains

Perdon, pero no compredes....lol.
 

If THAT is your understanding, then your understanding is incorrect because:

1. I don't believe the Moses of the Bible existed AT ALL.

2. I believe a man named MUSA (who is often called "Moses" in other sources) DID exist but didn't come FROM the Caucasus mountains.
I believe he came FROM Kemet and went TO the Caucasus mountains to civilize the savages.

 

I understand @Pioneer1 that you ignore the fact that Eritreans and certain Ethiopians claim to be Jews and originate from Black African Male origins. 
 

Lol, girl what's wrong with you?
That's not correct either, that is yet ANOTHER misunderstanding on your part.

Ethiopians and Eritreans don't claim to be Jews, they call themselves Beta Israel or the House of Israel.
The ONLY people who call themselves "Jews" are certain Caucasians and to a much lesser extent a handful of AfroAmericans who are confused and want to see themselves in the Bible.
House of Israel are a separate group from Jews.




 

I realize that you reject the 'Out of Africa' studies of the Y-DNA origins of all modern mankind in that they all stem from one male origin in Africa! I get you!
 

I don't know whether or not you get ME....but you finally got IT right, lol.
This statement is correct.
 

Chev

It may be easy to lump White people in one bag due to this American system's origins in the enslavement of Black people, but it is just not that simple though. 

No we shouldn't lump everyone into one bag, however we shouldn't GIVE everyone the benefit of the doubt either.

You don't ASSUME someone is cool until they do you wrong, because you might not SURVIVE the wrong they did to you to learn from that mistake.

Neely Fuller Jr. says that not all Caucasians are racist, but unfortunately we don't have a MASTER'S LIST that we can read from and pass around with a list of all the names of the racists we need to be aware of and careful around.....lol.
He said to be on the safe side you should assume that any White person  who is ABLE to be a racist (is awake and can tell one race from another) probably IS a racist, until they show you otherwise.

What if George Floyd would have ASSUMED that the Caucasian police officers who tried to arrest him and detain him were racists who were looking for any excuse to either lock him up or kill him.......do you think he'd be dead right now?
Because if he did, he wouldn't have let them arrest him he would  have started the car and drove off to get as far as he could before they could catch him.

One of the main reasons our people keep on being victims of racist attacks is because they let their guard down and ASSUME a Caucasian they are interacting with is NOT a racist....until they prove that they are, which is often too late.



 

Jeffrey

Much of your assessment is correct, however my statements aren't extreme as you may think.
 

And sometimes you have to SHOCK the hell out of AfroAmericans to stir them up from their stupor.  

That's why when they finally start learning the truth about what's happening in society we call it "woke".

Because they were ASLEEP or UNCONSCIOIUS or UNAWARE of what was taking place all around them until they were jolted by an event or some words that activated their intellect.
 

Many of our people are asleep.
But unfortunately.......
Many more just DO NOT CARE.
 

Daniel

Would you rather see the criminals maimed or execited?

I would rather see them NOT turned into criminals in the first place from living in an unjust and immoral society that lies to them.

Anytime you teach a person that they evolved from apes and are basically an animal....what do you expect those who really believe this to act like?

But in a way just executing those who have actually been proven guilty of heinous crimes and getting it over with ACTUALLY IS better for both them and society.....than locking them up in cages for the rest of their lives.

 

Chev

Not so @Pioneer1 at any rate, I am referring to Black African-typed.

Thank you for clarifying that.

By the way, "negro" is the Espanol word that literally means "Black".

Many of them have African traits such as Nappy hair. Some Dravidians have straight hair like many Australian Aboriginal people but some of them have nappy hair and this means they have Y-DNA African origins as well.

This is correct but the main reason why a certain amount of Dravidians (and other Indians) have kinky hair is because of the Africans who WENT to India with the Mogul Muslims who invaded and ruled India centuries ago.

They are known as Siddis and CAME to the region from different parts of Africa just like many Arabs came from different parts of Arabia when the Muslims came and mixed in with the rest of the population and sleeping with the women as most invaders tend to do.

So this is why you believe that White Caucasians are a superior race that have unique traits that dominate Black African traits. 

But I don't believe that, so this is an illogical statement.

You fail to realize that at one point this entire planet was ONE MASS and the earth did NOT split for a long time, therefore your version of Europe being considered West Asia has a false basis completely. Europe was never considered to be Asia. 

Based upon what you just said, that means there was NO EUROPE either.

And if that was true, what do you think that land mass or atleast THAT part of it was called?

According to history the very word "Europe" came from the Greek myth of a lady named  "Europa"
So what was that land mass called thousands of years BEFORE the Greeks existed?






Jeffrey

Does anyone else see actual division on the horizon?

Yes, in many many ways than just land and continental drifts.

The OLD world is falling, crumbling, disintegrating.....and so are it's foundations.
As this happens most of the FALSE ideologies that helped to build that OLD world are crumbling with it....including it's religions.

What you're going to see in the next year or two is so much division amongst humanity that you'll barely find a church with more than 10 people in it!
People are losing trust with eachother and their leadership and will not want to have some clown standing up infront of them "lying" to them or telling them something that they can read for themselves.....so there will be a "falling away".
 

Daniel

Prisons in America are not slave farms.

Prisoners are held AGAINST their will, whether you think it's justified or not.
That's a fact.
If people who are held against their will are FORCED to work then they are SLAVES by it's very definition.
And the 13 Amendment of the Constitution permits it.

What do I care what insane people like the Klan think? 

Uh.....because they have a documented history of KILLING AfroAmericans.
It is imperative to know what and how people who are trying to kill you think....so that you won't end up victimized by them.
 

I suffer no criminals like the rioters in Portland. They have no just cause. 

That's the difference between the way most  Caucasians think and the way most AfroAmericans think.  
They don't like ANYONE dominating over them or telling them what to do....including other Caucasians.  When people attempted to do so, many Caucasians push back and fight back which is how America got formed to begin with..
Most AfroAmericans don't see a purpose of just fighting back against tyranny BEFORE it get's started.  Many wait UNTIL they are end up in a state of oppression and tyrannical rule and then once they've been victimized -stand their with their lips poked out crying, burning candles, and cracking open the Bible reading scriptures and trying to see themselves in it.

....that is....until a handful of smart AfroAmericans FINALLY stand up and fight their way out of it.

And they live comfortably not caring until they are SLOWLY lured back into a state of oppression and tyranny and have to fight out of it again.

The same story over and over again.

This is why I said INTELLIGENT AfroAmericans who actually CARE should separate themselves from the shiftlessness and indifference found through out so much of the AfroAmerican community and form our own communities where we can not only protect ourselves from White Supremacy but also from the stupidity of so many of our own and PROGRESS as a people.

daniel

there are no such thing as different races. You have different cultures, but not races. That is a philosophy which sole purpose is to establish a hegemony. It also demonstrates an misunderstanding of African history. 

Oh, race is just a "philosophy"???

You may want to tell that to the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood and explain to THEM why race doesn't exist and is just a philosphy...lol.

Well, if you and Troy don't agree on anything else, you'll definately agree on THAT....lol.

Perhaps I should exit this thread before I get double-teamed.

 I celebrate the Fourth of July and also the Star Spangled Banner. 

You just said you don't see any merit in promoting criminality YET you celebrate days that promote terrorism and treason against the state (of England) !

The Declaration and War of Independance were a bunch of Caucasians who didn't like OTHER Caucasians telling them what to do....sort of like what's going on in Portland Oregon right now.
So going by your standards of morality, you should support the riots that are going on in Portland and if Oregon decides to break away and form their own nation/state....expect you to be waving their flag and flipping greasy beef-burgers on a grill every year in celebration of their liberation.

I accept that slavery exists and that people do horrible things. That’s life. I have no desire to go back in time. 

Well guess what?
You don't have to....because slavery exists TODAY for your convenience!

Just arrange for a pre-planned visit at your nearest penal institution.

Exploitation exists. So what! 

So what.....
Who cares.....

Slavery exists....that's life....who cares....
 

Finally!

Here we finally have a man who ADMITS that he just DOES NOT CARE.

I wonder if this was the attitude of some of the chiefs in Africa when they were told that Europeans were taking other members of their tribe off to slavery and humiliation.

"Oookay,  we know dat' exploitation exeese'. 
Why are joo' bringing dees' nonsense to ME?
Who da' hell kezz'?"

Neanderthals weren't here BEFORE we designated the term "Caucasian" for those we originally termed the Adamu, they came AFTER.

All Neanderthals are are just a branch or sub-group of degenerate half-wild Caucasians who.....while they were still in the caves....had degenerated so far into savagery through incest and improper dietary habits that they began to resemble animals in looks and behavior.



 

Jews were another sub-set or sub-group of Caucasians....infact probably the VERY OPPOSITE of those we call "Neanderthals".
 

The Jews were made up of a bunch of SMART Caucasians who were among the first to learn civilization when Musa came to the mountains to teach and civilize them.
He got them together and they formed a religious/social order known as Yahudim or "Jews"
That's why they call Musa/Moses the  LAW GIVER.....he gave them the laws that cleaned them up.

To this very day, if you notice the "Jews" are among the smartest and most successful of the Caucasians.
When Hitler tried to get rid of them (because he was ignorant of their history) the Caucasian leaders around the world had a FIT, went to war against him, and put an end to that fool VERY quick!

Jews as a group also tend to be nicer to AfroAmericans than other Caucasians because they know who WE are (and our destiny) and know who Caucasians are and where they came from so they are a little more humble.

Chev

Like you said, it's obvious why it would be called Eurasia, but the term ASIA refers to Asiatic people of which Negroes are not

I don't know exactly who you are calling "Negroes" because all the word "Negro" means is "Black".

And as I've said you have TWO "Black" races....the Asian Blacks and African Blacks.

The Asian Blacks (Dravidians) could be considered "Negroes" in the technical sense of the word.

Also keep in mind, that athough African genes are dominant and rule over the more recessive Caucasian genes....the Caucasian genes can STILL dominate in a person  they have more Caucasian ancestry.

This is the music artist Halsey

People have accused her of "passing" for White because she has a Black parent but doesn't promote that side of her family in her public life.
But I tell them she isn't just "passing" for White....she IS White!

I don't care what her mother or father was, SHE is clearly White because her Caucasian genes predominate and are much stronger than her African genes.

No @Pioneer1 Europe is closer to Africa not Asia

What do you mean Africa is closer to Europe??
Europe is actually CONNECTED to the rest of Asia!

Look at the map:

Lol......
How can something that is across the sea be closer than something actually CONNECTED to you?
 

Chev

I don't know about this

That's because you're assuming that most Caucasians think like YOU and other people of color.  
They don't.
 Just like you automatically love and trust them UNTIL they do something racist and harmful to you and make you change your mind.....Caucasians automatically HATE and DISTRUST you UNTIL you have proven yourself to be on "their side".
It's in their nature to hate, distrust, and want to dominate over people of color and they have to be TAUGHT AGAINST it in order to overcome it.
 

That's because being half-Caucasian doesn't make you Caucasian.
The Caucasian genetics/ancestry must PREDOMINATE.

Barak Obamas is half-Caucasian by lineage but is clearly not Caucasian because his African genetics are more dominant.

Chev

Today's description is definitely different from ancient times, but I don't recall Europe being defined as West Asia. 

I think West Turkey was the marker for the end of what would be 'the western world' and then East Turkey was the beginning of Central Asia.

I don't recall Europe ever being termed West Asia. But, I am going to search for script reference to make sure.

I think you've got that wrong. But for a certainty, the Caucasus Mountains is not considered Central Asia at all.

Correct that Caucasians today DO NOT refer to Europe as Asia, they call it "Europe" and define it as it's own separate continent.
But clearly when you look at it on a map it is NOT separate from the rest of Asia like most actual continents are.
It is simply the western part of the SAME continent......

It is merely the Western END of one huge continent with China and Korea on the other end.
Everything else that falls in between (which includes the Caucasus mountains) can  be considered "Central Asia" because it is in the CENTER of the East and West ends of the land mass.

But like I said, the original Black man referred to Europe as WEST Asia and considered it just the western portion of the ENTIRE continent of Asia....but I forgot most people don't look at it that way today and this is where the confusion lays.

White Supremacists are the AUTHORS of confusion..
You can look at something on a map that is as clear as day and they'll turn around tell you that what you're looking at isn't true but what THEY say is.....lol.