richardmurray
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The third replier again
also, these are just the ones off the top of my head that I could think of without digging around. I'm sure that there are others that likely focus on indigenous people etc. They might not be high fantasy like LoTR etc. but they mystical nature surrounding various tribes and their connection to the land etc. certainly are in line with fantasy works mechanics.
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Well, I admit my goal here is to inquire about a fantasy world that reflects the USA. In my mind I can speak of the Navajo myths or legends and bring fantasy from that. The gullah or geechee people of the carolinas have fantasy that can be built from their lore. But, Are those reflecting the USA or a people in the usa? I don't know. I don't think said question is straight forward either. I love the work from zora neale hurston, every tongue has to confess. The oldest straight from the horses mouth fable/fantasy/fiction from Black peoples who were enslaved or whose forebears were enslaved in the USA. but regardless of whether I can derive fantasy from that. which I can:) Is that fantasy the USA? I don't know. I will not say no or yes, but I think any answer is challengable. Thus my own agenda here I have relayed somewhat
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Can a fantasy world reflecting a country like the USA be just from one community in it? That goes back to Wizard of OZ. I don't know. I think the USA has many peoples with fantasy from their community but the USA itself doesn't have so much.
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American Gods by gaiman, Dark Tower by Stephen King, Moonheart by Charles de Lint is in Canada, The Shannara series by terry brooks is set in a post nuclear war earth and certain descriptions match US landmarks.
My reply
thank you for your reply. you are the third replier and all three replies have suggested two things. One the fantasy world of the USA must include science fiction, which is in terms of the history of literature, a point. Two, a 1900s and after scenario setting. I will think .
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Any one can argue that the history of the USA can challenge both of those points. but , regardless of historical assessment, the comments consistency speaks volumes to me. In my mind I thought someone might mention the wizard of oz, but no. I comprehend why not. The 1900s was the century in which the USA's influence outside itself grew to a much larger extent and I think that parallels a key theme in the fantasy of the USA. The wizard of oz is still when the USA is not merely a mostly white european christian but also a isolationist country. many people in the USA today don't realize that the usa's government historically is not into meddling outside the USA in a robust way. To be blunt, the monroe doctrine while clearly imperialist. ISn't like the marshall plan. The monroe doctrine didn't say the USA is the overlord of the american continent and will be responsible for all the people of the america's as a steward. It said the usa is the military overlord of the americas but the americas are simply not to be bothered by outsiders. In the way imperial japan related to korea is what the monroe doctrine is. And thus, why no Wizard of Oz. Even though it is telling Baum welcomed variations on his work as long as they were quality, so he comprehended the future fantasy worlds of the USA and how all fantasy worlds<including those not based in the USA > may have to work in media.
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Star Wars wars be a globally known fantasy world?
MY REPLY
hmm thank you for the reply. It is amazing how consistent the replies have been.
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Again, another science fiction connection. hmmm I have to think. The force is magic , even though it is given science fiction explanations in later tales. And the multiracial composition of star wars, robots/satanic looking species are all citizens next to someone who looks like they are from kansas today.
The third replier again
dark tower really isn't sci-fi....neither are moonheart or shannara. Even though Shannara is set in a post apocalyptic world that is not part of the story...it is 100% magic not tech. American Gods is also supernatural and not sci-fi technically since the "gods" work magically
My reply
thank you for giving breadth to your position. I am unfamiliar to shannara series. but I have some familiarity to dark tower/american gods/moonheart. Your points hold truth to me
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Its the boundary between science fiction side fantasy that must be addressed. The 1900s world of the USA is one where science, especially through technology, is ever present. So it doesn't undo magic, as the unexplained while doable science, but it makes it unanalogous to fantasy worlds based anywhere in humanity before the USA, including pre european invasion American continent.
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The first reply I received from somewhere online
I think that the USA is still trying to define itself. We're a relatively young country, and we're in a constant state of change.
My reply to the reply
thank you for replying, you are the first reply, not viewing, but reply across various platforms. I like this question of mine:) ... If I may, your position is the following. The lack of a fantasy world that reflects the USA is built on the inability of the USA to define itself, supported by the age of the usa's govenrment, or the uncommon rate of internal heritage or culture change that exists in the USA?
I will say this, if your three points are true: usa is not defined, usa is young, usa has a communal modulation unlike any other in the past. Then it explains the inability of a writer to create a fantasy world that reflects the USA. I will not say your three points are correct in my opinion. But I can say with 100% assuredness, if your points are correct, then it explains why no fantasy world.
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let me take apart the reply... from 1776 to 2022 that is 246 years. Now, I didn't include the english colonial period which to me should be included and I usually include in usa history. That would be 1607 to 2022 which is 515 years. But the most recent state in the union is hawaii at 1959. So, it can be argued that the current 50 state usa is only, 1959 to 2022 which is 63 years. so, depending on when you consider the heritage of the usa to start, it can range from 515 to 246 to 63 years. And with each range the idea of the USA being young or historically still in a nascent stage of development is supported or challenged by the history of various other countries in humanity. So in my view, the first two points in the reply: The USA is still trying to define itself plus, the USA is relatively young, are correct, but anyone saying their wrong is also correct. Specificity is mandatory in this situation. The third point about a constant of change is challengable. I have been to the deep south. I can tell you, many places in the deep south have not changed in over 150 years , since the end of the war between the states. I can also say that some places have changed. It becomes not a lie but not a truth. IT all requires specificity. So I argue that the USA has within itself a large enough populace with a clear or certain definition to the USA, is no longer a country that can be deemed nascent, and has enough inconstancy of change in its populace to deny the position by the replier. But then, the question is, if said point is true. Why no fantasy world? The only possible reason can be that, the certain identity of the USA, as a mature country,by a large enough percentage of its populace has already been written but didn't achieve popularity for its truth. The question now is to find the fantasy failures. hmmmm
The second reply
"Atlas Shrugged"
My reply to the reply
I didn't think such a book will be deemed fantasy next to lord of the rings. Thank you for your reply. I have to rethink fantasy now.
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Let me take it apart. Atlas Shurgged is a future world book. It isn't the past, which is usual in fantasy worlds in common. It has more of a scientific, meaning knowledge feel than the unknown knowledge that is magic. But, let's say Atlas Shrugged is a fantasy book. Then, the issue is, the identity of fantasy has to change. Maybe the problem isn't that the USA doesn't have a fantasy world, but that the fantasy world of the USA is not a fantasy world to be placed commonly? I have to think on this.
The second replier made another comment
It definitely depends upon your definition of "fantasy".
MY reply
true, but I think it is important point you make. I admit I have a writing agenda
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Maybe with the USA , going back to the first reply. Maybe science fiction can not be taken away from fantasy with the USA, based on that age of it, from a certain view at least.
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The idea of MAKE A STORY is simple, nothing grand, or complicated.
One starts a story with a paragraph 100 words maximum, and tags someone to continue. The person who starts keeps track in a post, like this. And, whomever is tagged, tags someone else to continue. The story is never ending. But, it will give everyone in this community a chance to do something positive or functional with everyone else. At the end , all the participants can debate a title:)
Ok , I will start
In the vastness of space, in a universe whose name is unknown, in a galaxy some of its inhabitants call Isi, orbiting a star system of three stars some call The Three Queens, is the world its inhabitants call Nok. The comet belt, a set of comets with a similar orbit, can be seen on the surface of Nok the entire year; it moves through the heavens, through the orbits of the other worlds around The Three Queens. Two twins look up, gazing at the brilliance of the belt in the night sky.
I tag @Troy
MAKE A STORY part list
@Troy LINK?
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ok @Troy I will elaborate on what I meant by a prompt.
For example, best romantic sentence this past week. and people can put reply with the most romantic sentence they read this past week, name the book title and author of course. Little things. Nothing that requires grand tools or grand time.
I have an idea I will put in the forums and see where it goes.
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Title: The Healer
Artist/Photographer: Carrie Mae Weems
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Is the real problem with many fantasy worlds that no place represents the USA?
I was thinking on another issue<linked below>, and in the post script a truth hit me. It isn't that fantasy is limited. Anansi/Grimms/Monkey King/Quetzecoatl all show, all races of people have tons of fantasy worlds or characters made totally in their own light.
But, it occurred to me, the USA doesn't have a fantasy representation. The USA has science fiction, but not fantasy. Science fiction looks to the future by default. Now you can argue, Star Wars proves me wrong as it is technically an ancient fable. But, star wars isn't fantasy.
I use what is going on with the video depictions of Tolkien's or George RR Martin's worlds as clear examples of the dysfunction of trying to make fantasy worlds USA like. In truth, Tolkien or Martin's worlds are not white exclusive. They are segregated, they are common human history. Blacks/Africans/non white europeans are actually in Tolkien's or Martin's world if you read carefully.
But, open pulpit, tell me what fantasy world is like the USA in its inception. I am not talking about versions or variations or science fictions that include magic, ala comic books of the usa.
Now to this group. I find a large percentage of Black people in the USA, not the world, not all humanity, but the USA alone, seem to want to force fantasy worlds to be like the USA. Why is that?
I grew up with Black fantasy that had no one but black people in it, or a few white devils. But, the Black fantasy I grew up with as a child had no multiracial makeup. They were unapologetically black.
I have never needed Black characters pushed into white fantasy worlds after such rearing. Is that the key to why so many blacks in the USA want blacks pushed into white fantasy worlds?
Your thoughts?
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yeah, still have time @Chevdove I will always say that if black people in the past, had divulged more of their honest thoughts, not to the book store or for publishing firms, but in diaries or journals for their bloodline, I Think many black people today will have different mindsets.
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An artist I am acquainted to is recently married and wants to buy a new home.
If you are able or want to help share the following links from the artist.
GOFUNDME page
Fundraiser by Courtney Collier : Help Us Buy Our First Home (gofundme.com)
A Journal from her explaining her situation
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History proves that all geographic regions have days of being dominated by the outsider. Sometimes it is lethal. Most times it is merely modulating.
At the end of the day, the history of scrambles by outsiders of Africa to the African continent are lessons to the people in Africa. They are learning and one day, they will see how to be free together in their own way, whether if greedy or sharing or knowledgable or crude.
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I thought of a simple premise.
Keith David
James Earl Jones
Morgan Freeman
are three kings in a fantasy world, having a meeting they all agree to on equal terms, no tricks involved or surprise attacks.
Each has a great deep voice. In one word, name how you want each king to talk. The reason for the meeting is not divulged.
So for example: Keith David- vicious ; James Earl Jones- bemused ; Morgan Freeman - proselytic
GO ! lets have funRMAFliterature
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For the record the predators in Predator have now after so many years of respect... lost my respect, they can't dance worth a damn. Danny glover is cutting the rug compared to them 🙂
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The cover was made by an acquaintance. Misty Sol
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What are your thoughts before the review linked below?
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If I was the CEO of Discovery I will shut down all the activities of Warner Bros media that isn't making money and put up bids for temporary licensing of the horde of media properties, forcing them to be displayed on Discovery channel media outlets.
If you were a board member, do you agree with me? What if you are the CEO of Discovery?
I explain in detail my thoughts below. -
National association of black journalism side national association of hispanic journalism
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There is so much to say, I already said. But, this marijuana scenario in the United States of America is a great teacher to many things.
I admit it makes me very angry to so many things. Well if you live in the NY State, consider the following link for some information. The gateway to getting licenses is narrowing and comprehend, once the licenses environment is settled, the ability to get in will be as challenging as the liquor license.
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the following is somethings I thought to share
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No USA in fantasy or fiction?
in Black Literature
the second replier
My reply
thank you:) The USA was founded on its east coast by british colonies. Those colonialist ventured into appalachia before the creation of the USA. I think you... or your friend:) thank them please, have provided the first example by repliers to a story that is not circling the 1900s as a base setting.
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The question to all the stories all the commentors have presented is, are these stories the USA. Dark Tower/Atlas Shrugged/Star Wars/ Indigenous tales/ are these fantasy worlds the USA or people in the USA.
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technically atlas shrugged is the past because of the setting with trains being a major industry. a lot of what is in the book would appear to be late 1800s to 1920s era
My Reply
excellent point. And to be blunt, the comments from here and there online prove united on the idea that the fantasy world that reflects the USA will have a nearness. The 1800s 1900s sense of industrialization will have to be present in any fantasy world that reflects the USA .
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I am getting a clear picture from the comments. And it explains why modern media is trying to push USA into non -USA fantasy worlds. Because any USA fantasy world will not have the agrarian or ancient appeal that some of the most popular fantasy worlds do.