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21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:
Man, I don't know HOW to vote in your poll.....lol.
you are a fellow male:) hit the circle you like:) look at the gif
Based on your answer, you would click the circle left of SOME BLACK MOST NON BLACK
And that is ok, you are not the first black person i heard who said they would invest the least in the black community and I don't think it is a problem or a negative. My only issue is when black people who have millions or more don't invest most in the black community but then demand working black people who don't even have hundreds of thousands invest all of there money in the black community. In fiscal capitalism it is always the wealthiest who are relied upon, in all communities, not the fiscal poor.
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On 1/28/2025 at 8:42 PM, ProfD said:
On average, AfroAmerican churches collect about $11 billion dollars per year. It would be helpful to know how and where they are investing it.
wow! is that true Profd? wow! I will have to spend an edition of the economic corner figuring out how to research where the black church invest, this is a great point, thank you Profd well done.
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well done, you skipped through the corner:)
7 hours ago, ProfD said:What remains to be seen is if DeepSeek will be allowed to overtake OpenAI in the market. I wouldn't bet on it.
to be honest, that is part of why i shared the articles in this economic corner as i did, the owner of deepseek said a lot in all earnest about why he started the firm which was for intelllecutal curiosity, to be honest, it is a scholarly endeavor, Please read it yourself, all artlcles are cited, if you want a better translation, but he made his money using computer programs to forecast financial activity, but this project was not about financial gain and he rejects the idea that alot of this ai stuff is financially profitable, i do wonder what you and any others in this forum who read the articles, especailly the one with his quotes, think about his positions toward hiring/investing/ and more.
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I notice you have nothing to say about deepseek or nvidia or as they relate to the economic corner edition? how has the presentation of the topic failed to garner communication from your mind, in any fashion?
12 hours ago, ProfD said:I believe there will be a demand for skilled tradespeople to build things here.
I don't know.
First , globally the machine laborer is here, and the machine laborer is the perfect goal for the fiscal capitalist because it isn't human. The entire labor reason for enslavement is very simple, an enslaved human being is always more preferable to an employer looking to save money on employees and spend the least revenue on employees. The machine laborer has always been what the enslaved human laborer was, a worker with the least cost per time while providing optimum output. pain/fear/punishment was the driver to get the enslaved laborer to do beyond what a free laborer could do, while the scenario of enslavement meant the least cost overhead.
The white european imperial era has embedded in all countries a populace of business owners/wealthy who want machine laborers, the perfect slave laborer. The global labor environment doesn't bold well for any country wanting to maintain free market human labor with competitors totally automated.
Second, in the usa itself, states are pulling away from each other, as they originally were. While many suggest the states in the usa should be aligned I argue historically they never were. That is why the war between the states happened. Said war happened because states at that time and before actually had the resources to manage themselves to wage war against each other. After said war, the federal government 's modern bureaucracy started and continued to grow unabated , possible till 2025 when schrumpf earned a second term and seems focused on defunding the federal government more seriously than any president since after the war between the states. So maybe california with the fires. But it will be , like abortion, a state to state issue. You use the word here as in the usa, but i think that is financially flawed, which state in the usa are you talking about? Each state is different.
13 hours ago, ProfD said:Prior to integration, Black folks had to build their own businesses.
Well... enslaved black peoples who were not citizens were financially integrated into the life of white enslavers who were citizens in the usa and then after the war between the states, black citizens of the usa were financially integrated into the life of the state governments in the usa who each used their legal systems to: use black prisoners for enslaved labor to build up their public + private sectors[which still occurs today], use black farmers as eternally indentured enslaved labor for white land owners [which stopped around the 1970s when white farmers were replaced with publicly traded corporations who use heavy machinery], use black populaces land or quantity to aid in federal programs, like the federal highway program or annual federal aid, against their free will which is the epitome of slavery[which happens today].
Did a time exist when a majority of white businesses did not accept black customers in public? yes
Did said time aid in the mandatory creation of black owned businesses to service black customers in public? yes
But, did the governments of the states in the usa support or allow the creation of black businesses across the board as needed? no
During said time was black people in the usa integrated into the financial activities of white businesses?yes
The greatest dream of an enslaved people is to be segregated from their enslaver. The greatest goal of an oppressed people is to be segregated from their oppressor.
13 hours ago, ProfD said:Integration made it easier for them to destroy and discourage Black businesses.
Well,
the financial periods for blacks in the usa is
Enslavement- which started in the european colonial age in the american continent before the usa was founded [started circa 1500]and ended at the end of the war between the states after the usa was founded [circa 1865]
Jim Crow- which started at the end of the war between the states[circa 1865] and ended when Barrack Obama became president[circa 2009]
Citizenship era- started from the Barrack Obama presidency[circa 2009] to modernity
Enslavement was the longest period and has the easiest discouragement or destruction of black businesses or all other aspects of black life.
Jim Crow- is a period of crest and troughs concerning black business. The first period was a crest of black businesses made from pure nonviolent will + hope, then a trough led by white people who will eventually become the first klu klux klan, the first organization the federal bureau of investigation infiltrated and destroyed, burned everything black people until no one wanted to try again.
Then a crest with Booker T Washington and schools financed by white christians/web dubois and the black one percent as office workers being financed by white jews/Garvey and exodusters who were promoting black segregation in the usa, exodusters, or outside the usa, garvey built many businesses from the ground up absent white finance, thus oscar micheaux and tulsa oklahoma. The trough was the first two phases of the world war and between the multiple market crashes around both said phases and whites using the wartime scenario to harm all black activity, black business + many black communities were undone completely. The reason why the trough is the first two phases is because in between the two phases their was a black recovery period which led to micheaux and black wall street but the second phase was so damaging and changing to the usa itself that the recovery was impossible.
Then the gi bill of FDR led 1950s started a crest in the third phase of the world war. Many black soldiers went to college, because the government paid and colleges wanted the money, and some stayed in the military, which was the first time blacks had a significant presence in the usa military outside war time in usa history. Blacks started business, more urban or northern, the damage from prior troughs had eliminated most blacks in the south or west from wanting with their personal history of white aggression. It was in this crest that the nation of silam, the panthers, the civil rights act occured. The trough came with the multipronged attack of :white businesses starting to accept public patronage of black customers ever increasing till the modern which hurt black business that lived off that reality which wasn't all black business , white owned firms shipping jobs outside the usa evading paying black laborers or paying for unionized black labor/white city or state governments definancing all public services in regions with majority black populations while elected officials obtain wealth using the money denied to blacks for their own couffeurs/white law enforcement agencies profiting off of selling drugs in the black community + putting black people in jail for using the drugs they are selling maintainging an ever increasing call for more government funds to law enforcement.
Citizenship- Black people in the usa have a significant non DOS populace based on various willing immigrants from the caribbean/south america/africa/asia/austronesia and have the largest internally mixed race of blacks from DOS with one of said immigrant groups in usa history, with the ever increasing union labor returns or returns from latter years of the jim crow era [starting in the 1970s] the black populace has the weakest level of wealth in terms of land ownership or level of trade skills while the strongest level of wealth in terms of dollars saved or level of scholarly skills.
So, did the white business shift in accepting black patronage publicly [done because of the soviet union] delete the strength or need for black businesses who publicly accepted said patronage? yes
But was said white business shift the easiest time to destroy or discourage black business? no, multiple times earlier were far more potent and the other pronges in the trough had more value to the destruction or discouragement of the black populace.
15 hours ago, ProfD said:That's interesting because your best of chance of making a billion dollars is in the USA.
IOW, as a black person, there's nowhere else you could go on this planet and make a billion dollars as a non-native.
Well, I will say this, if I was a millionaire I wouldn't invest a penny in the usa either. I said billionaire just to make it clear even if I had leisure money I would not.
While I am not a Garveyite I have always thought Garvey was correct alongside some peers[exodusters who simply had the same ideas as garvey black segregation from whites but wanted it in the usa] in contrast to others peers[booker t washington +web duboius]. But regardless of the financial outcome or risk, I would invest in other places, I didn't say where, outside the usa, whereas i repeat I never would invest in the usa.
SO I made my statement of investment fully aware of financial history or real or potential challenges.
What does IOW mean?
15 hours ago, ProfD said:Black folks know this but have been conditioned to accept it and not practice and take advantage among themselves on a grand scale
Yes, Black in the usa have been conditioned through being terrorized by whites to not be hopeful to the usa. I think it is an honest assessment. The terrorist murdering activities of whites in the Jim Crow era as I defined justifies the lack of black hope in the usa, and I don't know if it was you profd who once said, you were happy about the black modern immigrant populace but the reality is, the big separator to Black DOSers and Black modern immigrants is Black DOSers correctly, justly have a disengagement to the usa earned by the history of Black DOSers. I think Black Immigrants who often operate as small populaces for example black jamaicans or black haiaitan are a very small percentage of the black populace in the usa, more like white jews who are a very small percentage of the white populace.
So I do concur that black DOSers have been conditioned by white terrorism in the usa in the Jim Crow era I defined from circa 1865 to circa 2009 to not be engaged or hopeful to the usa. It isn't a matter of not taking advantage, it is about desires. A Majority of Black DOSers in the usa because of fate , the past that can't be changed, have no where to go outside the usa while they also have no reason to invest in the usa. Now a minority of Black DOSers , like yourself PRofd , have always professed an americanism. Frederick Douglass/ WEB Dubois when young not old/ MLK jr/Obama but all of these leaders, integrationist, I argue were never the majority's pick for leader at their time. The majority of DOSers picked the Exodusters/Garvey/Malcolm/none of the above, all are segregationists in some form, including none of the above in modernity. And that is why I always suggest you Profd, find that minoirty in the minority. The majority of black people in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it have always been anti statian, anti usa. It is unfortunate the minority of blacks who are historically pro statian, pro usa don't seem to accept this truth and then act accordingly in their minority.
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@ProfD well, first glad you were hired by a black owned firm, it isn't common in the black populace in the usa and for honest reasons.
ok, you say the entertainment industry has the greatest growth potential for black owned business. ok
On 1/28/2025 at 8:37 PM, ProfD said:For many decades, especially among AfroAmericans, education has promoted ahead of imagination, creativity and risk-taking which are required when it comes to entrepreneurship.
well an asian said in local nyc news that asians in the usa lack imagination largely from how they are reared. So that seems a common reality for non white europeans in the usa.
On 1/28/2025 at 8:37 PM, ProfD said:IMO, Black folks aren't groomed hard enough when it comes to 1) learning skilled trades and 2) building businesses.
Is someone a disciple of Booker t washington's ways , half of your argument, learning skilled trades, was his position over one hundred and fifty years ago.
As for starting businesses well, my forebears from either parent all started and built and for a time maintained multiple businesses... white power at the end of the day, destroyed them all. And as I have said in the past in this forum, if i had a billion dollars I wouldn't invest a penny in the usa.
On 1/28/2025 at 8:37 PM, ProfD said:After the wildfires in California, contractors are going to make a sh8t ton of money rebuilding there. I doubt Black folks will get 1% of the contracts.
I am 100% certain they will not, but not because of black business quality , but because contracts are given out by government officials to their friends and allies and white people have a ton of whites friends+ allies who are first in line as being part of the white community. It is the same in NYC. The USA has never been a country of merit, or free market, always genocide + enslavement and then nepotism+fealty+biases or favoritisms.
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I see , in the 11th economic corner the financial evaluation of the tech industry is exposed as falsely priced so I argue, such imbalanced speculation is a caveat to why a black person can not afford. And that has little to do with black DOSers who unlike the chinese... don't have control of a country/government residing over mostly our own.
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DeepSeek and the quality of usa finance
MY THOUGHTS
600 billion dollars. Nvidia lost 17th percent of its value in a day . Like many USA firms or industries outside military products, they are weak from the 1900s to today.
DeepSeek said it cost 5 million dollars to produce a product rivaling any comparative computer program in storage/speed/calculation at 1/20th of the cost. So this proves the value of the usa firms is incorrect. which is my issue. Tesla was given such a high value. The USA's financial environment allows for a bloating of firms, like Nvidia, like Tesla that to be blunt, have each lost huge market shares which they shouldn't. The fact that the best electric cars are made in china exposes Tesla's management to me. The fact that Nvidia who was part of an industry that biden gave billions of investment to and are playing catchup exposes the chip industry in the usa. The fact that OpenAI and Anthropic isn't open source, and have been outed for their financial dysfunction, demanding such investment while not making the code public exposes them.
Yes, I will use this economic corner to share DeepSeek information as best I can. But my agenda is actually not about DeepSeek but the financial argument that the USA has a problem in the investment in technologies. There are those who believe that the one world has already been created and the USA is really the binder to all governments, in that mindset, no one is competing because the usa is really, the interchange between all governments. Human history proves fissures that are wanted, eventually become real, even if it takes a long time. The lesson in Chinese industries to all non white European governments, is to consider how they research , how they approach technological development. Is it about the Massachusetts institute of technology M.I.T. , is it about Stanford, is it about nepotism? I remember being a college student and I remember so often it was blacks who graduated from an oxford or an M.I.T. that would be given opportunities but didn't have the imagination or passion to do well with them. And the reason is simple, as anyone non white european knows, many people, including many asians that go to college in the usa are more interested with the appearance of intellect than being an ambitious creative. And for the record, the black people two generations earlier than mine, in my bloodline, earned multiple degrees or graduated from the ivy league schools, so my position is not about not going to an ivy league school or gaining multiple degrees, which i find so many black people love to suggest in a very enslaved way when another black person speaks of imaginations speaks of passion. Getting degrees for too many Black Descendent of Enslaved people is a Keeping up with the Jones act, to compare to other blacks in a view display to whites, not an important act to creativity or learning. The second article below may convince you, of my point in this economic corner, which has been uttered by many Black DOSers since the end of the war between the states in the usa.
I quote the first article below, and the source article the quotes are from are present.Liang told Chinese tech publication 36Kr that the decision was motivated by scientific curiosity, not a desire to make a profit. “I couldn’t find a commercial reason to start DeepSeek even if you asked me,” he said. “Because it’s not commercially viable. Basic research has a very low return on investment. When OpenAI’s early investors gave it money, they probably didn’t think about the return they would get. Rather, they really wanted to do this business.”
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While OpenAI o1 costs $15 per million incoming tokens and $60 per million outgoing tokens, the DeepSeek Reasoner API based on the R1 model offers $0.55 per million incoming tokens and $2.19 per million outgoing tokens.
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To train its models, the High-Flyer hedge fund purchased more than 10,000 NVIDIA H100 GPUs before the US export restrictions were introduced in 2022. Billionaire and Scale AI CEO Alexander Wang recently told CNBC that he estimates that DeepSeek now has about 50,000 NVIDIA H100 chips that they cannot talk about precisely because of US export controls. If this estimate is correct, then compared to the leading companies in the AI industry, such as OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic, this is very small. After all, each of them has more than 500,000 GPUs.
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This also calls into question the feasibility of the Stargate project, an initiative under which OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank promise to build next-generation AI data centers in the United States, allegedly willing to spend up to $500 billion.
Deepseek provides detailed technical reports explaining how the models work, as well as code that anyone can look at and try to copy.
Code on hugging face
https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1The code on GitHub
https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1ARTICLES
Where DeepSeek came from and who is behind the AI lab that shocked Silicon Valley
Taras Mishchenko
Editor-in-Chief of Mezha.Media. Taras has more than 15 years of experience in IT journalism, writes about new technologies and gadgets.28.01.2025 at 09:56
A new artificial intelligence model DeepSeek-R1 from the Chinese laboratory DeepSeek appeared as if from nowhere. For the general public, the first mentions of it began to appear in the media only last week, and now it seems that everyone is talking about DeepSeek. Moreover, in just a week, the DeepSeek app has overtaken the well-known ChatGPT in the US App Store rankings. The model has also skyrocketed to the top downloadson the Hugging Face developer platform, asdevelopers are rushing to try it out and understand what this release can bring to their AI projects. So, logical questions arise: where did DeepSeek come from, who is behind this startup, and why has it made so much noise. I will try to answer them in this article.Where DeepSeek came from
Given the history of Chinese tech companies, DeepSeek should have been a project of giants like Baidu, Alibaba, or ByteDance. But this AI lab was launched in 2023 by High-Flyer, a Chinese hedge fund founded in 2015 by entrepreneur Liang Wenfeng. He made a fortune using AI and algorithms to identify patterns that could affect stock prices. The hedge fund quickly gained popularity in China, and was able to raise more than 100 billion yuan (about $15 billion). Since 2021, this figure has dropped to about $8 billion, but High-Flyer is still one of the most important hedge funds in the country.As High-Flyer’s core business overlapped with the development of AI models, the hedge fund accumulated GPUs over the years and created Fire-Flyer supercomputers to analyze financial data. In the wake of the growing popularity of ChatGPT, a chatbot from the American company OpenAI, Liang, who also holds a master’s degree in computer science, decided in 2023 to invest his fund’s resources in a new company called DeepSeek, which was to create its own advanced models and develop general artificial intelligence (AGI).
Liang told Chinese tech publication 36Kr [ https://36kr.com/p/2272896094586500 ] that the decision was motivated by scientific curiosity, not a desire to make a profit. “I couldn’t find a commercial reason to start DeepSeek even if you asked me,” he said. “Because it’s not commercially viable. Basic research has a very low return on investment. When OpenAI’s early investors gave it money, they probably didn’t think about the return they would get. Rather, they really wanted to do this business.”
According to Liang, when he assembled DeepSeek’s R&D team, he also didn’t look for experienced engineers to build a consumer-facing product. Instead, he focused on doctoral students from top universities in China, including Peking University, Tsinghua University, and Beihang University, who were eager to prove themselves. Many of them had published in top journals and won awards at international academic conferences, but had no industry experience, according to Chinese technology publication QBitAI. [ https://www.qbitai.com/2025/01/241000.html ; identity of workers at DeepSeek]
“Our main technical positions are mostly filled by people who graduated this year or within the last one or two years,” Liang said in an interview in 2023. He believes that students may be better suited for high-investment, low-return research. “Most people, when they are young, can fully commit to a mission without utilitarian considerations,” Liang explained. His pitch to potential employees is that DeepSeek was created to “solve the world’s toughest questions.”
Liang, who is personally involved in DeepSeek’s development, uses the proceeds from his hedge fund to pay high salaries to top AI talent. Along with TikTok owner ByteDance, DeepSeek is known in China for providing top compensation to AI engineers, and staff are based in offices in Hangzhou and Beijing.
Liang positions DeepSeek as a uniquely “local” company, staffed by PhDs from leading Chinese universities. In an interview with the domestic press last year, he said that his core team “didn’t have any people who came back from abroad. They are all local… We have to develop the best talent ourselves.” DeepSeek’s identity as a purely Chinese LLM company has earned it popularity at home, as this approach is fully in line with Chinese government policy.
This week, Liang was the only representative of China’s AI industry chosen to participate in a highly publicized meeting of entrepreneurs with the country’s second-in-command, Li Qiang. Entrepreneurs were told to “focus on breakthroughs in key technologies.”
Not much is known about how DeepSeek started building its own large language models (LLMs), but the lab quickly opened their source code, and it is likely that, like many Chinese AI developers, it relied on open source projects created by Meta, such as the Llama model and the Pytorch machine learning library. At the same time, DeepSeek’s particular focus on research makes it a dangerous competitor for OpenAI, Meta, and Google, as the AI lab is, at least for now, willing to share its discoveries rather than protect them for commercial gain. DeepSeek has not raised funds from outside and has not yet taken significant steps to monetize its models. However, it is not known for certain whether the Chinese government is involved in financing the company.
What makes the DeepSeek-R1 AI model unique
In November, DeepSeek first announced that it had achieved performance that surpassed the leading-edge OpenAI o1 model, but at the time it only released a limited R1-lite-preview model. With the release of the full DeepSeek-R1 model last week and the accompanying white paper, the company introduced a surprising innovation: a deliberate departure from the traditional supervised fine-tuning (SFT) process that is widely used for training large language models (LLMs).SFT is a standard approach for AI development and involves training models on prepared datasets to teach them step-by-step reasoning, often referred to as a chain of thought (CoT). However, DeepSeek challenged this assumption by skipping SFT entirely and instead relying on reinforcement learning (RL) to train DeepSeek-R1.
According to Jeffrey Emanuel, a serial investor and CEO of blockchain company Pastel Network, DeepSeek managed to outpace Anthropic in the application of the chain of thought (CoT), and now they are practically the only ones, apart from OpenAI, who have made this technology work on a large scale.
At the same time, unlike OpenAI, which is incredibly secretive about how these models actually work at a low level and does not provide the actual model weights to anyone other than partners like Microsoft, these DeepSeek models are completely open and permissively licensed. They have released extremely detailed technical reports explaining how the models work, as well as code that anyone can look at and try to copy.
With R1, DeepSeek essentially cracked one of the holy grails of AI: getting models to reason step by step without relying on massive teacher datasets. Their DeepSeek-R1-Zero experiment showed something remarkable: using pure reinforcement learning with carefully designed reward functions, the researchers were able to get the models to develop complex reasoning capabilities completely autonomously. It wasn’t just problem solving-the model organically learned to generate long chains of thought, check its own work, and allocate more computational time to more complex problems.
In this way, the model learned to revise its thinking on its own. What is particularly interesting is that during training, DeepSeek observed what they called an “aha moment,” a phase when the model spontaneously learned to revise its chain of thought mid-process when faced with uncertainty. This sudden behavior was not explicitly programmed, but arose naturally from the interaction between the model and the reinforcement learning environment. The model literally stopped itself, flagged potential problems in its reasoning, and restarted with a different approach, all without being explicitly trained to do so.
DeepSeek also solved one of the main problems in reasoning models: language consistency. Previous attempts at chain-of-thought reasoning often resulted in models mixing languages or producing incoherent output. DeepSeek solved this problem by smartly rewarding language consistency during RL training, sacrificing a slight performance hit for a much more readable and consistent output.
As a result, DeepSeek-R1 achieves high accuracy and efficiency. At AIME 2024, one of the toughest math competitions for high school students, R1 achieved 79.8% accuracy, which is in line with OpenAI’s o1 model. At MATH-500, it reached 97.3%, and at the Codeforces programming competition, it reached the 96.3 percentile. But perhaps most impressively, DeepSeek was able to distill these capabilities down to much smaller models: their 14 billion-parameter version outperforms many models several times its size, showing that reasoning power depends not only on the number of parameters but also on how you train the model to process information.
However, the uniqueness of DeepSeek-R1 lies not only in the new approach to model training, but also in the fact that it is the first time a Chinese AI model has gained such great popularity in the West. Users, of course, immediately went to ask it questions about Tiananmen Square and Taiwan that were sensitive to the Chinese government, and quickly realized that DeepSeek was censored. Indeed, it would be futile to expect a Chinese AI lab to not comply with Chinese law or policy.
However, many developers consider this censorship to be an infrequent extreme case in real-world use that can be mitigated by fine-tuning. Therefore, it is unlikely that the issue of ethical use of DeepSeek-R1 will stop many developers and users who want to get access to the latest AI development and essentially for free.
Of course, for many, the security of the data remains a question mark, as DeepSeek-R1 probably stores it on Chinese servers. But as a precautionary measure, you can try the model on Hugging Face in sandbox mode [ https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 ] , or even run it locally on your PC if you have the necessary hardware. In such cases, the model will not be fully functional, but it will remove the issue of data transfer to Chinese servers.
How much did it cost to develop DeepSeek-R1?
To train its models, the High-Flyer hedge fund purchased more than 10,000 NVIDIA H100 GPUs before the US export restrictions were introduced in 2022. Billionaire and Scale AI CEO Alexander Wang recently told CNBC that he estimates that DeepSeek now has about 50,000 NVIDIA H100 chips that they cannot talk about precisely because of US export controls. If this estimate is correct, then compared to the leading companies in the AI industry, such as OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic, this is very small. After all, each of them has more than 500,000 GPUs.According to NVIDIA engineer Jim Fan, DeepSeek trained its base model, called V3, with a budget of $5.58 million over two months. However, it is difficult to estimate the total cost of training DeepSeek-R1. The use of 60,000 NVIDIA GPUs could potentially cost hundreds of millions of dollars, so the exact figures remain speculative.
Why DeepSeek-R1 shocked Silicon Valley
DeepSeek largely disrupts the business model of OpenAI and other Western companies working on their own closed AI models. After all, DeepSeek-R1 not only performs better than the best open-source alternative, Llama 3 by Meta. The model transparently shows the entire chain of thought in its answers. This is a blow to the reputation of OpenAI, which has hitherto hidden the thought chains of its models, citing trade secrets and the fact that it does not want to embarrass users when the model is wrong.In addition, DeepSeek’s success emphasizes that cost-effective and efficient AI development methods are realistic. We have already determined that in the case of a Chinese company, it is difficult to calculate the cost of development, and there may always be “surprises” in the form of multi-billion dollar government funding. But at the moment, DeepSeek-R1, with a similar level of accuracy to OpenAI o1, is much cheaper for developers. While OpenAI o1 costs $15 per million incoming tokens and $60 per million outgoing tokens, the DeepSeek Reasoner API based on the R1 model offers $0.55 per million incoming tokens and $2.19 per million outgoing tokens.
However, while DeepSeek’s innovations are groundbreaking, they have by no means given the Chinese AI lab market leadership. As DeepSeek has published its research, other AI model development companies will learn from it and adapt. Meta and Mistral, a French open-source model development company, may be a bit behind, but it will probably only take them a few months to catch up with DeepSeek. As Ian LeCun, a leading AI researcher at Meta, said: “The idea is that everyone benefits from the ideas of others. No one is “ahead” of anyone and no country is “losing” to another. No one has a monopoly on good ideas. Everyone learns from everyone.”
DeepSeek’s offerings are likely to continue to lower the cost of using AI models, which will benefit not only ordinary users but also startups and other businesses interested in AI. But if developing a DeepSeek-R1 model with fewer resources does turn out to be a reality, it could be a problem for AI companies that have invested heavily in their own infrastructure. In particular, years of operating and capital expenditures by OpenAI and others could be wasted.
The market doesn’t yet know the final answer to whether AI development will indeed require less computing power in the future, but it is already reacting nervouslywith a drop in shares of NVIDIA and other suppliers of AI data center components. This also calls into question the feasibility of the Stargate project, an initiative under which OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank promise to build next-generation AI data centers in the United States, allegedly willing to spend up to $500 billion.
But on the other hand, while American companies will still have excess capacity for the development of artificial intelligence, China’s DeepSeek, with the US export restrictions on chips still in place, may face a severe shortage. If we assume that resource constraints have indeed pushed it to innovate and allowed it to create a competitive product, the lack of computing power will simply prevent it from scaling, while competitors will catch up. Therefore, despite all the innovation of DeepSeek, it is still too early to say that Chinese companies will be able to compete with Western AI tech giants, even if we put aside the issues of censorship and data security.
Question and Answer excerpts from 疯狂的幻方：一家隐形AI巨头的大模型之路
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36Kr: What deductions and assumptions have we made about the business model?Liang Wenfeng: What we want now is that we can share most of our training results publicly, so that it can be combined with commercialization. We hope that more people, even a small app, can use large models at a low cost, instead of technology only in the hands of some people and companies, forming a monopoly.
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36Kr: In any case, it's a bit crazy for a commercial company to do a kind of research exploration with unlimited investment.Liang Wenfeng: If you have to find a commercial reason, it may not be found, because it can't be done.
From a business point of view, basic research has a very low return on investment. When OpenAI's early investors invested money, they must not have thought about how much return I would get back, but really wanted to do it.
What we are more certain now is that since we want to do this and have the ability, we are one of the most suitable candidates at this point in time.
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36Kr: How would you see the competitive landscape of large models?Liang Wenfeng: Large manufacturers definitely have advantages, but if they can't be applied quickly, they may not be able to continue to adhere to them, because they need to see results.
The top startups also have solid technology, but like the old wave of AI startups, they have to face commercialization problems.
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36Kr: Talents for large-scale model entrepreneurship are also scarce, and some investors say that many suitable talents may only be in the AI labs of giants such as OpenAI and FacebookAI Research. Do you go overseas to poach this kind of talent?Liang Wenfeng: If you are pursuing short-term goals, it is right to find someone with existing experience. But if you look at the long term, experience is not so important, but basic ability, creativity, passion, etc. are more important. From this point of view, there are many suitable candidates in China.
36Kr: Why isn't experience so important?
Liang Wenfeng: You don't have to be able to do this by someone who has done this. High-Flyer's principle of recruiting people is to look at ability, not experience. Our core technical positions are basically mainly fresh graduates and those who have graduated for one or two years.
36Kr: Do you think experience is an obstacle when it comes to innovating business?
Liang Wenfeng: When you do something, experienced people will tell you without thinking that you should do it, but people without experience will repeatedly explore and think seriously about what should be done, and then find a solution that is in line with the current actual situation.
36Kr: High-Flyer has entered the industry from a layman with no financial genes at all, and has become the head in a few years, is this recruitment rule one of the secrets?
Liang Wenfeng: Our core team, even myself, didn't have quantitative experience at the beginning, which is very special. It can't be said to be the secret of success, but it's one of the cultures of High-Flyer. We don't deliberately shy away from experienced people, but it's more about ability.
Take the sales position as an example. Our two main sales officers are both amateurs in this industry. One was originally engaged in the foreign trade of German machinery categories, and the other was originally written in the background of the brokerage. When they enter the industry, they have no experience, no resources, no accumulation.
And now we may be the only big private equity firm that can focus on direct sales. Doing direct selling means that there is no need to divide the fees to the middlemen, and the profit margin is higher under the same scale and performance, and many companies will try to imitate us, but they do not succeed.
36Kr: Why are many families trying to imitate you, but they are not successful?
Liang Wenfeng: Because that's not enough for innovation to happen. It needs to match the culture and management of the company.
In fact, they couldn't do anything in the first year, and only in the second year did they start to make some progress. But our assessment criteria are different from those of ordinary companies. We don't have KPIs and we don't have so-called tasks.
36Kr: What are your assessment criteria?
Liang Wenfeng: We are not like ordinary companies, we value the number of orders placed by customers, and our sales sales and commissions are not good at the beginning, but will encourage sales to develop their own circles, meet more people, and have greater influence.
Because we believe that an honest salesperson who can be trusted by customers may not be able to get customers to place orders in a short period of time, but it can make you feel that he is a reliable person.
URL
https://36kr.com/p/2272896094586500Prior entry
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11445-economiccorner010/
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TikTok is the first non usa website to be the biggest esocial website in online humanity. If bytedance sells TikTok wholesale it is a financial mistake Bytedance should sell tiktokusa not tiktok. In Europe/South America/Africa/Asia tiktok is the big leader in the world, selling it completely to a usa buyer is a usa win. It is like the Japanese automakers making manufacturing plants in the usa, when they through competition won the economic car market, it is a usa win. Make TikTokusa TTU and make sure tiktokusa has contractual arrangements that demand an integration/association with TikTok.
Profd , a member of aalbc cited below, said
The next 4 years could be a wild ride in that regard as oligarchs get to pick and choose freedoms.
This morning, I saw the handful of faces of people who could buy ByteDance i.e. TikTok. None of them were Black.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11431-tiktok-service-restored-ban-suspended/#findComment-71294Here is my issue. I don't mind a black buyer, though I think financially it is better to have a collection of black owners working together as a group. But for me the larger issue is the argument focuses on buying tiktok, instead of investing in a better online service for black people.
The film industry of Nigeria, commonly called Nollywood needs an online interface like a tiktok, I rather invest in that.
I know my words may seem like an attack to PRofd but they are not. My entire life, I have always heard the most financially capable blacks always emphasize investing in non black enterprises and never a word to owning a black owned enterprise. In my life, all to often, it is black people who are financially least capable or incapable who talk about owning black and not investing in non black. The internet is a huge place. Tiktok was not born because chinese were selling to the usa, tiktok is a clone of a chinese website to chinese people.
I rather a set of black investors invest in AALBC than tiktok.
Prior Post
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11444-economiccorner009/
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What she misses is a crossroads of three things. First, the studios want to maximize profit, which means they want to use media properties they already own and attract the most sales. Second, the properties studios own are quite old, decades old, centuries old and tend to be created by white people of european descent filled with mostly characters described in appearance or culture as white of european descent, which has the problem of not being as attractive to non whites than non white characters. Third, the modern buyers of media content are not overwhelmingly , overwhelmingly meaning seventy five percent or more , of white European descent and the studios want to cater to them.
The three elements show the problem. The studios always want to save money+ not risk money, which means the studios are not going to buy new non white European characters or use lesser known non white European characters that many, including many non whites of European descent, don't know.
So with the desire to maximize profits + risk least investment revenue this means changing white European characters they already own into non white European characters is most efficient.
This is what I think many, Black or non black are missing. When I think on most popular movies in the last thirty years, few are of a new property. Every star wars/star trek/marvel/dc film is of an old property. Every biopic is of an old property, that being a famous person. Little that makes the most money is new, is unheard of.
Even nosferatu which has made a splash is again, is old. So, if old properties are the fans are buying, and all the old characters owned by studios is white, simple arithmetic to save money or risk less revenue is to change characters already owned to fit the non white European buyer.
And again, prove the studios wrong, not with artistic judgement videos or human communal statement videos but by sales.
Consider DC has access to Milestone and yet, it never occurred to them to give milestone characters their own movies. Here is a comic imprint made by non white Europeans, mostly blacks, that has a gallery of non white European characters made by non white Europeans. DC made birds of prey changing white European descent characters.
Marvel treats black panther as their non white world movies. Black panther 1 had more black people in an action sci fi adventure than ever before. black panther 2 added first peoples of the Americas taking namor the submariner and changing his character's design dramatically. But this was cheaper, and the profits prove the studios right.
The biggest problem with this issue is, and I can speak of this as a writer. New characters or lesser known characters haven't proven to have big money legs. Notice I didn't say they couldn't they haven't proven it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czf2k-WJ6iU
MY COMMENT
The problem the studios have is they want to always save money + risk the least revenue developing+ gain the most buyers in modernity which has many more buyers not of white european descent than ever before, and based on financial results of films, year in and year out, it only leads to one conclusion and that is race swapping. To restate my point, the financial returns of the film industry prove their race swapping actions correct, against other options.TRANSCRIPT
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before we get started I have a brand new
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short film that is releasing on this
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channel very soon I love this short film
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I think it's the best one I've done yet
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and I really need your guys' help for
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feedback for this short film so if when
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I drop it which is going to be before
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the end of January I would really
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appreciate if you would give it a watch
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and please I highly recommend you watch
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this short film to the end because it's
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the best one I've done so far so without
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further Ado let's get on to the video
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one of the big controversial things
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that's been going on and talked about a
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lot for years now is racebending
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characters and I haven't really thrown
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my hat in the ring to talk about it yet
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other than saying you know talking about
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things like Batman cape Crusader that
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just because you race bend a character
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does not mean that the show is going to
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be bad or that it needs to affect
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anything but there were a couple maybe
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three things that I read and that had
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happened that made me finally want to
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make this video because something really
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got under my skin regarding this entire
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conversation now race bending characters
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it's very controversial does it ever
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affect story is it wrong to ever race
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bend a character we've seen it happen a
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lot with some very iconic characters
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lately that they get race Bend and it
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causes a lot of tension and infighting
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over this now when I was growing up
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there were a lot of projects that did
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have technically race bent characters
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that I loved one of my favorite movies
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growing up and what I think might even
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be the best adaptation of Cinderella
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ever was with Brandy and Whitney Houston
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when they did the Roger and Hammerstein
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or Stein's version of it and that was an
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insanely successful movie when it aired
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on TV and I loved watching it growing up
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also in my teen years getting into the
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Avengers and all that you had Samuel L
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Jackson as Nick Fury and that is a race
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bent version of the character from the
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comics but everyone seemed to love
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Samuel Jackson as Nick I don't remember
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there being any sort of controversy over
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it and so you can see that in the past
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there were these times when race bending
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a character would not be a big deal and
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most people I think just assumed you
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must have gotten the right person for
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the role and would go from there but
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however I would like to point out for
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something like Nick Fury in uh The
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Avengers I don't doubt that there was
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some conversation behind the scenes
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going on about you know the Avengers the
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original six were six white people let's
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get somebody in here who's non-white
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somebody like a high caliber actor so um
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we can maybe get a different sort of
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audience because Hollywood has had that
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thinking of for decades that they need
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to introduce non-white characters to get
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different demographics to hopefully
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watch their film so that was the way it
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was it wasn't really seen as a big deal
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and I think we just went through a
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period of time when racebending any sort
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of character like it it didn't really
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seem to anger people enough or make that
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much of a controversy for Hollywood when
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they did it for example you had Jessica
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Alba as a Latina actress um playing Sue
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storm who's a white character they did
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make her wear makeup to whiten her face
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a bit and that would not fly today you
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had oh I can't remember the name but
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Michael Clark Duncan but he did a RAC
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bement version of Kingpin for Ben
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Affleck Daredevil and then you have um
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ight Shyamalan decided for whatever
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reason to get white actors to play the
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characters in his Avatar movie which I
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definitely do not approve of because you
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know you should have gotten Asians to
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play Asian characters but anyway uh for
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whatever reason he got away with it at
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the time and so I think that that just
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shows that there was a time in history
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where race bending was just like for
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whoever it was being done to it was not
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seen as such a huge deal that it would
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prevent it from happening in the first
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place and this was after a time where
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decades ago it used to be very difficult
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for for a non-white actor to get a good
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role it there there were very very
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limited roles back then decades ago and
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if you go and listen to actors doing
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interviews it was very limiting the
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kinds of roles they were offered if you
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weren't a white person so we can see how
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it's changed over time but now uh the
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race bending of White characters has
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become super controversial and why is
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that well because they've pushed it so
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hard and they've pushed it in such a way
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that it's in ently cause tension like
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for example um another thing I can say
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growing up is that there used to be some
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cartoon characters that occasionally
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would be raceman like Liz Allen from
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spectacular Spider-Man that cartoon in
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the original uh comic she is a Caucasian
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blonde girl and they made her a Latina
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in the cartoon and I never had a problem
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with that I enjoyed that version of Liz
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Allen and I never heard anyone who
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didn't have a problem with that and why
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well Liz Allen that look for the
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character it isn't as well known and so
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I don't think people notice it as much
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also there was justification and once
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again they've been trying to
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diversifying things like that for years
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now but there was justification for Liz
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Allen because she was another white
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blonde character from Spider-Man she had
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the same look as Gwen Stacy so changing
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her per race making her look different
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that it just it just act added an actual
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diversity to the cast so that every
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character had their distinct look
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different ethnic background and I think
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that that really worked another
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character that was race bent in a
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cartoon X-Men evolution Amara AKA magma
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she was a character who was another
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Caucasian blonde from the comics but
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there were already a lot of Caucasian
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blondes on the New Mutants team that she
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originated from and they made her Latina
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in X-Men evolution and once again
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probably trying to diversify with that I
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thought it worked though you know it was
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helpful the characters all have their
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distinct looks I actually really like
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that version of Amara so you see in the
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past it can work and not cause
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controversy so how did race bending
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characters start to become so
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controversial for a couple different
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reasons number one you'll notice when it
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comes to characters like magma or Liz
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Allen these were characters that weren't
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very well known or I would even say in
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the case of Nick Fury it was a
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combination of even Nick Fury wasn't
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that well known also um back then they
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didn't do race bending as much they
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didn't push it as hard I don't think
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that people expected anything other than
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they probably just got the right actor
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for the role
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but the problem that has happened these
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days is they have been doing it to more
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and more iconic characters like Mary
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Jane Watson that is a character who is
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very very iconically a redhead a white
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redhead that is an iconic look for the
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character it is really it really defines
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her so when you did that when you cast
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Zena as the character in culture
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Michelle Jones but she's sort of pseudo
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MJ it caused a lot of backlash and this
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is what you see
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when they race Bend characters that are
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more wellknown why well because people
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have an expectation for the character to
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look like they do in the source material
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when it's that iconic like I would say
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the same thing and I've talked about
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this before when it comes to like you
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know Brandy and Cinderella I love that
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movie I love her take on Cinderella
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Cinderella is a story that's been told
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by every culture every ethnicity it
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really doesn't matter fairy tales can be
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a lot more loose than that and I would
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say the same for a lot of the fairy tals
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from Disney but and while I would say
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please like no one should attack the
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actors and actresses over this stuff I
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do think that Disney has set up their
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actors and actresses up to fail when
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they choose to race Ben characters in
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their liveaction Disney movies why well
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because while you can tell a new story
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with these characters and these versions
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but there with the Disney Live Action
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remakes with the people who watch them
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they want the whole thing with them is
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that they're shot for shot remakes of
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the original they're supposed to be
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remakes of the original so when you set
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up the expectation that this is Ariel
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for example in the RAS B that character
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then you start to cause controversy
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there is why doesn't this character look
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the way she does in the original and
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does it matter that much well in this
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case when I'm talking about the little
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mermaid no it doesn't there's no reason
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why someone couldn't play a good version
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of uh The Little Mermaid that's a
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different race but the problem with it
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is that here's what happens you'll get a
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character like Mary Jane or Ariel or
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whoever it is you'll get a character
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where people have a certain expectation
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of how they're supposed to look uh based
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on how they were from the source and
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people might be critical because it
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doesn't look the way that it does in the
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source and that's just fandom you know
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like fans want things to look the way
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they were in The Source material they
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want events to play out the way they did
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in the material uh we'll have more
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examples of that in a minute but like
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that is a part of fandom when they
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things are iconic from the mat material
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The Source material they want that to be
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reflected and here's what I've seen
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happen over and over and over again in
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the past decade is that they will they
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will race been an iconic character
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people will get upset by it and then the
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response will be like you're just racist
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like the only reason why you could
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possibly dislike this change or find it
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questionable or just not be really into
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it is because you're are racist you just
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cannot stand seeing a black person get a
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role like this get a big role like this
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and that is the only reason why you
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don't like it and so because disliking
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something like that gets you called a
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racist you know that's a very
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inflammatory terrible word to call
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someone or to be accused of that in
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invites anger that invites Anger from
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the people who initially perhaps just
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wanted a character to look the way they
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did in the source material and now all
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of a sudden they are in have been called
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an inflammatory term that creates anger
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that feeds it back to more anger at the
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person that they cast in the role where
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it was race bent which indeed I I
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imagine I can I don't have to imagine
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the people who' have been casting these
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roles do not like having anger pushed
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back at them so that will come back to
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the way that they communicate with the
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fan base or the audience and so on and
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on and on it goes on like that and the
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tensions rise now once again be before
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it wasn't really controversial to race
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benen characters so much now part of it
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once again is happening because they
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started doing it to more and more iconic
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characters they start doing more
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frequently and the other problem is they
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grandstand about it so much because once
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again I think before people would just
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assume that if you got a role it was
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because you were the right person for
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that role but now Hollywood has just
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grandstand it so much about look at us
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we we put uh non-white characters in
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this project we're putting more
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diversity more non-white characters look
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at us aren't we good people aren't
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aren't people just going to be so happy
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to be represented it's always BR
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standing from Hollywood posturing about
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how good they are doing this stuff and
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the more they've talked about it the
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more they've called attention to it it's
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made people realize this is not just
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happening because they happen to find
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the right person for the role it's
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happening because they have institutions
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behind the scenes that demand this
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they're doing this because of agendas
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not because they just found the person
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for the role and that once again blows
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it up to be much more than just you
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wanted to see this character look the
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way it was in The Source material it
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starts to become about modern-day
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politics it starts to become about
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agenda pushing it starts to become about
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something so much bigger than that there
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people are now seeing that these things
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are not happening just because they
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found the right person for the role and
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that makes you think you know you could
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have gotten the right person for the
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role maybe or the person who looks the
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way you wanted that character to if they
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didn't have these institutions if they
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weren't posturing about this and once
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again that feeds more tension that is
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all that has happened with this stuff is
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feeding more tension to the point where
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we now see explosions if ever any person
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is playing a race bent character whereas
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before it didn't used to be such a big
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deal now I've been of the opinion for
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years that it doesn't it shouldn't
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matter that much race spending a
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character usually if it doesn't affect
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the story if they found the right person
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for the role like once again Jeffrey
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Wright playing Commissioner Gordon he
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did such a great job at that character
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as that character but some things have
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made me change my mind a little bit
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because of the hypocrisy I see and these
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are some of the things that made me want
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to make this video for example the other
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day I was talking about how I do not
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understand why people want Kiki Palmer
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to play Rogue not because of her race
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but because I just don't see the
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character in her maybe she's been in
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something that I haven't seen where she
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reminds people of the character I just
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don't see it and the point of me saying
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that it's not about her race is me
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saying that if there was an actress that
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just completely embodied the role and
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she happened to be A different race then
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I could understand it but I didn't
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understand this one and someone under
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that Community post wrote that um it it
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should it that race never matters to a
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white character story that it rarely
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ever is relevant to a white character
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story and that that's why it's okay to
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race Bend White characters obviously
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that's what we're talking about here
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because in this day and age they would
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never dare to try to race Bend uh or
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outright race bend a black character and
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that got under my skin a little bit
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because I'm like but it has happened
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when it's relevant to the story Snow
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White that was a big one they had to go
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in and you they already revealed this in
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the international trailer completely
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changed the story to explain a different
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reason why she's called Snow White
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because they had to ca cast a brown
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actress to play her because um for a
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character who's described as Skin as
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white as snow that's how she's defined
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as but Disney in the day and age when
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this was made just would not have a
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white lead as this character so they had
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to change it to honor the day I was born
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my father named me Snow White and this
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is an example a prime example where they
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had to change the story because they
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couldn't cast a white actor for the
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character and it got nothing but
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ridicule once again I don't know what
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they're thinking about this it got
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nothing but ridicule this decision
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another example they did is the
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Fantastic Four uh years ago they cast
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Michael B Jordan to play Johnny dorm and
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that creates problems because uh
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Invisible Woman They cast as a blonde
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white woman like she was in the comics
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but um they're supposed to be biological
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brother and sister but they had to
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change that for Fant for stick because
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they couldn't have four white leads and
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if you think that this isn't happening
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this has been a major conversation stuff
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happening behind the scenes in Hollywood
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that is part of the reason why they had
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such a hard time casting for the new
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Fantastic 4 is they're having a hard
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time with a movie that has four white
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characters as they are in the comics and
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they can't have that they can't have a
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movie with four white leads anymore but
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you see it did change the source
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material this does happen when you're
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changing the source material for me
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personally though it's like you know
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true diversity in real life is sometimes
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imbalanced like in the 90s and and the
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these are shows I grew up with Loving
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Family Matters all black m cast Fresh
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Prince all black main cast I think
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sometimes they brought in a white
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characters like a villain or something I
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didn't care Disney was really patting
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itself on the back of being like we
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hired an all Asian uh cast for Mulan and
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I'm like yeah you should have because
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Mulan is set in China centuries ago you
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know sometimes you're going to have it
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where your cast is disproportionately
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black or Asian or white in fact that's
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just the way it is that's what diversity
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truly looks like we don't all have
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perfectly uh uh quotas filled out in
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real life that's just the way it is and
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if you're not a racist that shouldn't
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bother you that's just the way life is
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so it's like there shouldn't be a
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problem if you just happen to have four
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white leads for Fantastic 4 as is
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accurate to the source material cuz
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there's other stuff like black panther
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that should be a black man cast like
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that's what true diversity looks like
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but you know that comment that person
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made bothered me because it's like no
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one would ever say that blade or cyborg
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should ever be A different race and I
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would agree cuz those are who the
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characters are so it's like for example
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with Rogue yeah I would like I could
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like in the past I could completely
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understand you found the right person
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for the role the the super official
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races the change but you found the right
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person so it's fine but I'm like yeah I
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would like Rogue to hopefully be played
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by a white actress why because she's
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been white in the comics for 40 years
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yeah that that because it's accurate to
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the source material I would like sorg to
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be black because that's accurate to the
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source material in terms of race
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spending there has been controversy
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about colorism about are they hiring
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light brown skinned actors to play Black
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characters uh there's been some
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controversy about that like Sunspot in
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the various adaptations he's had he's
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supposed to be black in the comics and
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it's important to his character and his
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origin for him to be black and fans of
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that character have been upset that he's
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always lighter brown skin and AD ad
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adaptations and I would agree with them
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why because I know what Sunspot is
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supposed to be in the comics people want
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storm to be cast by a darker skin
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black actress and I'm like yes because
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she while storm and the comics was born
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in Harlem she grew up in I think she
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moved to Cairo Egypt she grew up in
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Kenya for a time like that should be the
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characters now from that I think that
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it's okay for someone to also say I
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would like this character to be white
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solely because that's the way that they
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are in the source material and that's
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fine because all this race bending has
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done is it's caused tension it's caused
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hate to the actors that they do it to
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it's caused a lot of division and and
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things blowing up out of proportion to
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become even bigger than just a simple
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casting in a show you know here's the
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real big Crossroads of thinking is for a
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long time I've always been like you know
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if you've just found the right person
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for a role then race bending is okay but
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the problem is that it only ever goes
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Runway like back in the day when they
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cast uh mostly non-puerto Ricans in fact
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only one Puerto Rican to play a Puerto
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Rican character in Westside Story um uh
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one could also say that the actors did a
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good job with their roles but would it
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be was it still right for them to take
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roles away from Puerto Ricans no and so
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that's sort of the crossroads I come to
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with my thinking on this stuff is that
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there is a double standards with it and
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recently the latest controversy over Ray
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spending came over the upcoming
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Spider-Man cartoon where Norman and
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Harry Osborne are black and all I saw
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for this was ridicule not from white
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people so much but black people I just
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saw so many people on YouTube or Twitter
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and these accounts of from black people
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making fun of this because they don't
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actually want it and it was a completely
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an unnecessary change and I watched a
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video that was actually from a black
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person and and he said something that
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really stuck out to me in it and it was
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that um they keep saying this doesn't
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matter it doesn't matter it doesn't
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affect the story so why should it bother
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you and he said if it doesn't matter
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then why do it and it's insulting
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because it makes me feel as a black
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person that you don't see me me as
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legitimate unless I have to have
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something else that came from a white
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person it's annoying and there's going
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to be people saying oh it doesn't matter
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calling demingo is a good actor and he's
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voicing the character you are 100% right
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so if it doesn't matter why do it and
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and that's the whole thing with this
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race bending is so many times it's been
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uh forced and unnecessary and people see
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that and all it's done is drive up
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tension so here is my proposal How about
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if a character is supposed to be black
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then cast a black person if a character
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is supposed to be white cast a white
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person and that way you won't have so
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much tension from groups and and all
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this infighting and arguing and and you
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don't have to focus so much on people's
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race all the time and I think that's
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where we're headed right now you can
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really see how Disney has been affected
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by this and the Tangled live action
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remake and I am completely against a
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tangled liveaction remake but all of the
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the rumored castings for it has then
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Sabrina Carpenter or Florence Pew so a
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white blonde woman to play a white
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blonde woman good fine I think that
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Disney has learned from the Snow White
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movie that it is just ridiculous to
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force it when it doesn't make sense and
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at this point you know it's it is a
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little crazy because as I said race
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bending used to not be a big deal he
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used to get away with it used to be able
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to do it it used to not be a big deal to
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see a non-white person play a
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traditionally white character but they
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made it a problem they made it so that
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now people see it as Force they see it
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as just agenda pushing they don't see it
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as natural to the story they don't
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assume that the person must have gotten
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it because they were right for the role
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they've spoiled it in effect because a
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lot of this stuff that we've been seeing
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this activism in media is just there and
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it just spoils the very thing that
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they're trying to promote so um yeah
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that's my stance on Race bending
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characters I think once again you could
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have gotten away with this uh once upon
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a time I think that there is a big
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minutia in it and it just kind of
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depends on the standards of the day
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about um what is considered morally
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acceptable or not but at this point it
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would just be best to cast people the
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way they were from The Source material
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so you won't have such a fury about it
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but that's all I got for you guys today
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are you mad about me I was nervous about
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talking about this topic but I figure my
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maneuver ears resolution going forward
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is to not be so scared of talking about
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these hot button topics and the more
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that we talk about it and they're just
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normal about it I think the less the
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people out there who will just scream
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racist at you will be able to be
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prominent but that's all I got for you
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guys today what do you think of this
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video yell at me in the comments thank
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you patrons as always for supporting me
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even as I'm covering these topics uh
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once again new short film coming out
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soon and I will see you guys next timePrior Post
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11424-economiccorner008/
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@Troy I did the migration through desktop though. Maybe because it was later than you.
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from what you said i was surprised to see the one in 2024. Part of me will love to know why it got through.
ah ok, the thing that is telling is fanbase doesn't seem to allow for any functionality on desktop, you have to use the app, which i don't have installed. so i can't follow or like or comment, or set up a billing account as none of that is done on a desktop.
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congrats again!:) @Milton you and all the participants have done great
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Enjoy my book review to Robert Smalls voyage book. I don't know if any of you are on deviantart, i don't think so but this is a tool I added to the Black Games Elite collection and i placed url's you can copy or a location where you can get more deviantart url's to test it.
The gunpower plot and world war meth will reveal some things you did not know about either.
Remember the work calendar is for my work, with amendments to various arts. The community calendar is for various content that I speak to.
MY LINKTREE
https://aalbc.com/tc/clubs/page/2-rmworkposts/RM WORK CALENDAR
Topics Jan 19 2025 - Jan 25 2025
Book Review: Freedom at Dawn: Robert Smalls’s Voyage Out of Slavery
BGEDOV- Black Games Elite Deviantart Oembed Viewer
Cento Series Episode 88
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Topics Jan 19 2025 - Jan 25 2025
Lucy Worsley on the Gunpowder Plot
World War Meth
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I am not on tiktok but i admit, my four primary online places each suit me. AALBC/Deviantart/Github/Tumblr AALBC is black owned and i do feel every single black person should be on at least one black owned website, and this one is good cause it connects to my literary life. Deviantartart because there is no place better in the english speaking internet for all art than deviantart. It is the community and variance, all artist are there, sharing, creating, it is fun and lively, not in the debate way but in the creativity way. I love that. The tiktok/facebook/twitter of the world allow for people to advertise but the larger community isn't about that. Github is for posting programs i create. It is free to host online, depending on the language so it is heaven for me. Just keep designing and creating. Deviantart majority post are artists of all sorts posting their art. That is invigorating to see for me. Lastly Tumblr, I used that to post videos which deviantart didn't do, my animatics, but deviantart do now but i keep it and it has good art communities i am apart of. I would had said five but kobo just is a place to host books for sale or for free, not really a social zone.
My point, I was never a facebook or twitter user, had a profile, didn't really use, same as my tiktok, but I can tell you i know people on tiktok over thirty who are not artist trying to make a buck. I like creativity, I like nationalism, in the truest since, to create. So I will never be the best on the tiktok/twitter/facebook of the world where the averge action on the website is talk. But I do know adults on there and also adults outside the usa are heavily on there. I see many adults outside the usa on tiktok too. i think the site has merely taken the throne from facebook/youtube/twitter
september 10th 2024
https://x.com/aalbc/status/1833584876953522225
before that was september 17th 2023
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On 1/19/2025 at 5:42 PM, Pioneer1 said:
I didn't know it was owned by the Chinese government.
Why did our government even ALLOW it's citizens to have access to it in the first place if they considered it such a threat?tiktok was never owned by the chinese government, the firm that owns it in china is bytedance. The issue with china is the chinese constitution which is not in its first iteration but fourth, specifically gives, from the first iteration, the chinese government control over any firm for the interest of china. This stems from the china being split into parts by outsiders including the usa before mao. No firm doing business in china or based in china is about the chinese government, it is their law, from their first constitution and has survived each constitutional restructuring.
The reason is simple, most foreign websites simply don't do well. If you look at the internet all the major english speaking websites are from the usa, france/germany/uk/russia have all tried but the english market is dominated by usa websites until bytedance took their short video social media service, duayin [bad anglicized spelling] and made tiktok. Then the implications hit the usa government. The funny thing is, in parallel, the chinese government by its own law, can never allow a firm to do business in china that doesn't have a security arrangement with the government of china.
Remember the usa federal government from its very infancy was never designed to be proactive. Rememeber, the articles of confederation was the first idea, and that was merely a militaristic function and nothing more at the federal level. Yes, the constitution gives the executive branch powers, but from the cia/fbi to executive order usa growth, to the expansion of the federal military and the expansion of powers to the president under national security or others, the federal government has grown beyond what it was intended. The idea was the governments of the states would be strong and the federal government would be this military protector to them. The federal government of the usa was never designed to be a centralized authority, like the chinese government from mao. Outside of military affairs the usa federal government is very reactionary, meaning let problems occur in the market and then fix them.
On 1/21/2025 at 12:03 AM, Troy said:TikTok is for children;
Tiktok is for adults. It has the best numbers for youth among the big websites, especially in the usa but tiktok is heavily used by adults to.
From my point of view, it is what twitter is to blogging. The short video si what youtube never was able to implement correct. Tiktok got it correct and the algorithm tkiktok uses is key.I know quite a few artists , adult artists of various genres on there. Email newsletters is the way
do you want a follow on fanbase? tell me how the migration goes for you, i have far less tiktok content
rmemeber when facebook went down for a day.. this is the modern reality, people who have their money or their lives tied into the esocial services such that their pausal is devastating
On 1/21/2025 at 12:20 AM, ProfD said:Grown azz influencers were whining about losing income if TikTok went dark.
Isaac Hayes III created Fanbase which is a black-owned alternative to TikTok.
whining:) the influencer industry is a multimillion dollar industry:) I wonder why you use the word whining?
Ahhh the
I am late so all his talk of early is wasted
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Yeah a website can be a financial challenge keeping up with tech.
to the book review, thank you:) I will share
cool, why not make a gofundme, public funding tends to be the way for many projects, if whoopie goldberg can for moms mabley...
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@AmmaK thank you on sharing that story, i think for many black people it is like that.
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thank you for joining @Tesa do you code?
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yeah @Pioneer1 good point and as I have traveled the internet waters, having a non english speaking community is the best blocker to support a community outside the major websites that are all majority english speaking. But black folks , our ancestors, chose to disregard gullah/geechee /creole and other dialects that could had helped
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@Pioneer1 hahahaha
happy 2025 Pioneer, I am just trying to be as engaging as possible.
haha love all your answers, and i thank you for them:)
Day 1 of schrumpf is coming so
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RMNewsletter 4th VersionThoughts 01/19/2025
I am nearly finished a book review, so hopefully it will come out soon. I admit, I didn't take my usual December break and feel the need in January. You can scroll to last week on the work calendar to see a more fulfilling week. I have enjoyed the Lucy Worsley series so far. I advice all women to check out the Jack the Ripper, the video + transcript is available. The Afrofuturism is free to view, I also added some graphical notes in the post writers. Anyone have thoughts on TikTok? The image is of Cicely Tyson in The Blue Bird. Did you know of her in this film?
RM WORK CALENDARTopics
Cento Series Episode 87
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Topics
Cicely Tyson
Miss America
Jack the Ripper
Economic Corner 7- only fans
Avery Brooks
Economic Corner 8 - Tiktok
Afrofuturism
William the Conqueror
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Thinking of Tiktok I realized something.
Has @Troy figured out or implemented a plan for aalbc members to carry their data over to another website
when[if] aalbc close its doors?I am not trying to be morbig, and I wish troy many healthy happy years but I have been part of a number of esocial media closings and not all closings had tools to carry content over.
I am just wondering...
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@ProfD
I know all about Black consumer spending. But consumer spending doesn't yield to infrastructure growth. I will give as an example the white consumer spending in the usa. I know you have a different assessment to financial history in the usa than me, so i comprehend that some of my points don't add up for you. But for me... for me, white consumer's didn't build the infrastructure of the white populace in the usa. I can take NYC as the best example. I am 100% certain Rich whites built the entire city. Poor whites/working whites didn't do a damn thing. The public transit, the libraries, the schools, none of that is from white consumers in NYC, Profd, you think white consumer spending is why colombia and nyu exist?
Now if you are arguing that Black Consumerism in the usa can be used to build an infrastructure to the black populace in the usa, I will say that it can. But, I challenge anyone to provide a comparative example that blacks can mirror. Whites in the usa have always had military power black people never had and isn't easy to get enslaved, whites were shipped to the usa by their cousins in europe and were allowed to annihilate first peoples of the americas. White jews are a minority, a far smaller populace, compared to blacks and have never been denied financial opportunity aside other whites in the usa, so you can't compare blacks to white jews. Asians are another historically very minor populace , far smaller than the black populace, and have always been allowed financial opportunity unlike blacks. The thing about black dosers is no one is like us, we don't have a comparative group in humanity. The details are not the same, and the details matter.
So, even though USA financial history shows no groups consumer dollars built their infrastructure, if blacks in the usa are to build an infrastructure through consumer spending, i challenge anyone to show another community in a comparative situation anywhere on earth , that has done it? If you can't provide a group in a comparative situation to Black DOSers anywhere in human history that have used their consumer dollars to build their infrastructure then ... what is the thing never before done in humanity that can get it to work?
I will not negate the possibility but lets honest about its framing.