richardmurray

@Pioneer1 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I want you to stop being confused and understand, lol.

 

hahahaa:) Well done

@ProfD

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

'm sure you understand the context.   But, I'll indulge...

 

By every means necessary, the colonizers left Europe and *built* countries like the USA & Australia. 

 

That's very different from leaving an *under-developed* home country  to struggle in another country. 

 

Especially running to a predominantly *white* country that is keeping a boot on the neck of one's *homeland*

well... I see, 

When you speak about leaving an under developed home country to struggle in another country, i think of the conquistador i think of the white european imperial era through france/spain/portugal/netherlands

 

Of the european powers, the only one that built countries as you said were the english, it wasn't really the common way. all the others only wanted to extract resources and leave a set of mixed breeds to manage things to funnel money into whatever european center country. Spain and france and portugal famously had to pay white women to go while the english... was able to et whole communities to go. 

In the end of the day, the english didn't do it for the building of countries. The english pushed their colonies to be pan white, multiwhite, individualist, not to become the usa or canada or austrailia one day, but to be a haven to make money. Remember the english colonies were not profitable in the international market compared to any of the others. the money in the english colonies was actually in the english colonies spending money. 

BEcause the english colonies actually invited hordes of white europeans they were given a financial status, that the non white european majority populaces in the non english colonies couldn't get, so the first industry of the usa was as a market place, not because it was special but because it became the first true white european country outsdie europe. Essentailly english goods had a controlled marketplace for tea/furniture and other english content. That was the financial purpose of the usa. its external traffic was not its main finanial agenda. for england. 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

What is preventing Black folks from either building up their home countries &/or taking over other lands?

well first, for DOSers if you don't view a country as your home country then their is nothing to build up. Again some blacks liek james forten, start business fight and die , having chose the usa as ther home but then they ask questions like you to other black people who havent decided the usa is their home. 

You use the word prevention but you have to first view the usa as your home, brasil as you rhome, india as your home... before you can act like it is . 

Black pople are descended of enslaved folk, i argue in our heart, we aren't interested in being black versions of white europeans.  yes, cases exist but on average, we have a vengeanful desire but not a enslavement desire.

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Jamaica was Black before white folks showed up & colonized it.

 

yes the caribs are black native americans, like the negrito black asians.

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

What are Black folks willing to do these things other than cry, grumble & complain?

 

As a very young person, I was taught that as a male being weak (cry, grumble, complain, lack of self-defense, etc.) doesn't solve anything.  Being able to take action & handle bizness is everything.  It works.

Non verbal action always speaks louder than words. But I get the logic, if you focus on building no matter how many times another burns your house down, you may never realize that you need to stop building where you are cause the place you are is crap. 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

No need to go into a history lesson.  We know what produces winners & losers.  The question is what is one willing to do in order to *win*.

 

no the first question s what is the definition of winning because the definition of winning dictates what is needed to win, and not all definitions of winning are the same, especially for DOSer.  One black person can say they have won and mean nothing to another black person cause they dont share the same meaning of winning. 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

This Black man was a drug addict & homeless at one point in his life.  He's rich now.  Anything is possible.😎

I didn't question possibility, i said the pwoer of will and desire, this one instance doesnt prove will and desire, it proves circumstance, 

@Pioneer1

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you suggest that we compete with others, illegally?

I suggest we, meaning black people anywhere on earth, each discover or learn who we are as individuals and who we want to be as part of black groups and then relate that to wherever we live. Yes, it isn't as simple as all others in humanity, but it gives us a freedom of identity. 

 

Black DOSers who embrace the usa as their home. need to accept the truth of fiscal capitalism when it comes to legal or illegal financial activity. The great fort nes in fiscal capitalism come in majority through criminal activity.whether that criminal activity is legally noted or not.   Second to comprehend the financial limits of being in a multiracial scoiety where all races are free to grow, it means financial control over others is always going to be limited long term

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@ProfD 

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

The great experiment that is the United States of America (USA) even in its relative youth as a 250-year old nation has studied the history of empires...their rise & fall. 

 

The *smartest* thing the USA did was allowing people from all of the planet to come & live in this country. 

 

Though its institutions, the USA has tapped into the best &  brightest minds from around the world. 

 

Through its power of money & influence & military strength, the USA has become the leading super power in the world. 

 

There is no other country on the planet to which more people immigrate.

 

I don't believe the USA will implode or self-destruct under the weight of its own largesse. 

 

Nor will disputes & bickering among disparate groups of people (tribes) derail the USA either.  

 

I believe it will take an act of of the universe i.e. series of natural disasters to dismantle &/or destroy the USA. 

 

There's always the remote possibility that white people will get fed up with each other & start firing off those nuclear bombs. 

 

Of course, going nuclear means game over for humanity as we know.😎

Well one big correction, the heritage of pan immigration wasn't statian, or of the usa that was actually the english empires doing. The english  empire was the one who started the pan immigration starting with pan white europeans, the english didn't have to but the english saw a chance to make money.

You suggest the best and the brightest... I don't know about that, but the truth is the usa unlike other countries is willing to grab individuals from the largest labor pool, gardless of their quality. 

Add enslavement + Genocide to the list of factors on the path of super powedom, it is interesting people mention money and military strength, but never genocide, never enslavement, why? why can't they be mentioned along side the others, they are equal or more important in the path to the super powerdom. 

Very true, but again when the usa was english colonies that was the beginning of the immigration heritage of the usa. The problem with the usa is that the white power/white terror/pan immigration/multiracial peace/individualism that the usa touts as elements of itself were not started in 1776 but before, the only thing the usa did was take what the english colonies was doing and separate it from england. But all the factors you speak of were english colonial factos , started then by england, not the colonist. 

Your adding alot of commercial statements to your prose here. 

I As for the future, I don't know. You are certain, which i think is foolish, to me nothing is more foolish than those who know the future. 

And I am in error, the usa actually created two things, 

1) the seperation from england,

2) the invincibility heritage, I do realize the usa when it was founded had doubts to its life, from its very white european  founders, but over the years i do realize a usa eternalism was born and it seems to have adherents in all races. Thank you for helping me take time to think on that. You are not the first to say the usa will be in perpetuity in my earshot offline or online. But, thinking on it, somewhere in the history of the usa, the doubt the founders had was replaced by an eternal certainty that by my ears extends to all races. I wonder when it started. 

but, the individualism/immigration/multiracial peace/pan white power/pan white terror all stemmed from the english empire's administration of the colonies that would become the usa. 

 

@aka Contrarian 

3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Many think that the ultimate goal of Project 2025 which is the manifesto of the ultra conservative American Heritage Foundation, is to turn this country into a fascistic theocracy. 

if you look at the history of the usa, it is a country used to internal wars. 

I will list them. 

war of secession from the british empire was mostly fought by people who lived in what would become the usa. 

war of 1812 was the same, fought mostly by those who lived in what would become the usa

Seminole wars, between first peoples side blacks against whites

war between the states, fought between whites with various non white european allies

In between the wars above or just before the first one mentioned are the new england wars, the kansas wars, the carolina wars, virginia wars. 

The usa has a vibrant heritage of internal violence. 

Even white people admit more black people died after the war between the states then before, now no one calls it the black white war rather jim crow or the nadir of american race relations but in my view it was in the era of jim crow, 1865 to 1980, the black white war which ended in 1965 with white victory but a law by whites to reduce white violence. 

What is my point? The usa will split is the most probably outcome, in some form or fashion, based on how people in the usa act and its historical commonalities. 

The usa has never had a we in itself, it uses that word a lot but the usa has never been a we and with such a multiracial populace, not being a we lends to fractures. 

in that environment, the key is where you live when it fractures, don't be on the fracture line and hopefully be in the section that you are accepted in. 

 

@Pioneer1 

43 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't know if it was the "smartest".
Actually giving us Reparations would be MUCH smarter....lol.
But I understand your point and believe that it's VERY smart for America to bring in people...especially skilled and educated people...from around the globe to come and help build up the nation's economy.

 

It's called "brain drain" and the West has been doing it for decades.

The funny thing is white peoples statistics show, the majority of the people who come in aren't skilled or educated. It is a simple truth. Yes, a minority and large when you consider the population growth of the usa, but the ovrwhelming majority of immigrants to the usa in every year has always been unskilled or uneducated people. I don't know where people get this, idea that usa gets the most skilled people. I don't know where that comes from , cause whites admit it isn't true, so it must be some wild myth.

 

@ProfD 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans do not have an ancestral homeland to which we can return. 

 

FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans were born here in the USA. 

 

Over 400 years, FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans have made the *best of* a bad situation, America's original sin *slavery* .

 

In the present, when FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans look back over the past couple hundred years, we have made progress in our homeland, the country that enslaved our forebearers.

what determines an ancestral homeland? 

I am not saying your wrong, or I am not saying a black person whose forebears were enslaved from africa by whites can't say a locale whites shipped them to can't be considered a homeland if they choose, but the choices are still open

I give three examples

1) all black peoples enslaved from africa whether they went to the american continent or the asian continent or the european continent have one thing in common, their african ancestry is continental. I have said in this forum before, if anywhere in africa is my hmeland it is the literal continent itself because my forebears who were enslaved come from all over. Often when people immigrate freely, they may call themselves, european/asian/african/south american, but in truth they mean a specific local in a continent. right? but fr DOSers we have to mean, by way of how enslavement worked, the continent of africa itself and considering descended of enslaved people were sent everywhere outside africa, not merely the american continent, a continental ancestry suits all of us whatever countries our forebears were enslaved in.  Black People like you or me exist in brasil in india , what shared history heritage/what we carry do we have? that our forebears were all enslaved from africa by whites/ various whites. so I think a continental ancestry , not a local in a continent is historically unquestionable, even if it is also unique among human groups. But, that is fate for you

2)I do think the seas itself is a valid homeland in its own way. the one thing that unites all descneded of enslaved people from africa is that most of our forebears died on the ships to wherever, again not just the usa but all the places, so the sea is where most of our forebears... or at least where most of mine are buried. You have said in the past that because those who died on the boat didn't have issue they are not but I oppose that view. because many black dos lineages have died through the centuries because of white terror anywhere, it is uneven to not include all the people enslaved on the boat , some of whom were definitely genetically related to those who survived. Again, not an common place but the DOS experience is not common . Yes, slavery is throughout all human history, but the mechanics of pan white enslavement to pan blacks in the period of the continental slave trades had unique forms. that were never seen before or since. 

3) this is two queries to your position.

I)I want clarification to where you stand to places outside the usa that have black dosers. Brasil has to be first on the list as no place in the american continent has more black DOSers than brasil. Brasil had dosers before the usa, so what you are saying is black dosers in brasil's homeland is brasil? what about black dosers in india, india had DOSers before Brasil did by white muslims, so what you are saying is black dosers in india's homeland is india? 

II) concerning the time, you mention the centuries black dosers have been in a country, in this case usa,  as  warranting its labeling as a homeland, but is your position that it applies to all DOSers in a particular country whether they view it or not  or is it optional? For me, and many other dosers, i want to be the first in my bloodline to choose a homeland, i think that had value. I don't care how long my bloodline has been in the usa, this for me is not my choice or the choice of my forebears. I think having the choice of making a homeland for yourself is one of the gifts DOS forebears gave all DOSers , we don't have to have any allegiance to any of these countries: usa/brasil/india because our forebears never did. It is the freedom to choose. As long as me or any in my bloodline is in the usa, it is a continuation of white peoples desires, not the desires of my own people. I can't call my homeland on what whites desired. And no, I don't think the fiscal reality or impotency of my forebears in not being able to go wherever they want should be held against them. 

 

So I conclude with I think your position is true but as an optional. not a definitive. and that is key.

 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Still, that should not prevent people from staying in their home countries & rebuilding it.  Giving up & running to the colonizers house doesn't make sense either.

 

 based on that logic didn't white europeans themselves do that ? it wasn't like ireland was rich, or itlay when the italian hordes came in was rich. And the english who came were from the poor parts of england, they weren't the relatives of the queen fand kings of england. so... outside the native american, who was murdered by immigrants, all other peoples in the usa are immigrants, but only DOSers are immigrants who were forced here, all other immigrants ran from poverty , did they not? You say giving up and running to the colonizers house but lets be more pure, giving up and running away in general , does that make sense? 

cause the original white european immigrants ran away from their poverty in europe and didn't choose to make any european country better...

The whole usa outside two peoples is built on people who were fiscally poor and ran away from it.

 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Where else can or should FBA/ADO/AfroAmericans go to live if the USA is their birthplace?

 

I have said it before, DOSers anywhere are free to choose. that is the gift, we are not bound, until we choose to be and present that truth to the next generation, each has to make their choice a heritage,  And I feel most black DOSers have never done that, and it isn't up to black dosers to apply our desires to each other, i argue, we should honor each other by leaving it open. 

But, to DOSers born in the USA, specifically, the only place I can think of that we all should consider based on heritage, our history, is Monrovia, not liberia, but monrovia.  yes, black DOSers born in the usa settled in many places outside the usa, black dosers leave the usa every year, for many other lands, to become their homelands,  even though we don't seem to know that as a people. But, I think we have a responsibility to Monrovia , as it was started by Black DOSers specifically from the USA. Now can all black dosers born in the usa move to monrovia:) no, but i do think we owe it to ourselves to do better there in some fashion. 

22 hours ago, ProfD said:

IMO, it does not take that long.  We can see the progress or lack thereof around the planet.  We know the reasons for it too. 

 

Those who are willing to go to war; kill & destroy ultimately enjoy the rewards of it.

even enough, for me it isn't about wealth or wars, but the condition of freedom. Black groups in every country in humanity have a fiscally wealthy person, but that isn't enough for me to rank or relate the various black groups, the condition of freedom is what i am looking for and i see little variance in that in any country. I can't think of any black populace in a country that isn't a wealthy black 1% aside a fiscally poor black 99%, usa/brasil/india/south africa/jamaica, what differs the black populaces in any of the countries. in terms of collective freedom. I say nothing.  but in the future, will be seen.

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

There's a difference between bringing a terrorist into one's country & becoming a subject versus being born in the same country with the terrorist.

 

I am a little confused by the part, bringing a terrorist into one's country , we are talking about DOSers, and in india/brasil/usa and many other countries, like a jamaica DOSers have been born side the terrorist whites. 

 

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

oney comes & goes. 

 

Even the most honest, astute, savvy, intelligent investors have amassed & lost & regained fortunes. 

 

Most successful people fail a lot before they strike it big.

 

The way one chooses to rebound from loss or failure makes a difference.

 

Sitting on the bench crying, grumbling & complaining won't lead to success.

I only have one question, are black people in general allowed to admit we have been financially abused? 

If I have a house and white terror has taken the house, in your opinion, am I allowed to mention it or is mentioning that financial truth crying? 

If I have a parent sent to jail falsely or unevenly by whites, in your opinion, am I allowed to mention it or is mentioning that financial truth grumbling? 

I do believe in creating, in nationalism, I like doing, but I like telling the truth and unfortunately, truths for black DOSers tend to be negative, I will apologize for fate, but that is the truth. Our personal histories tend to face financial obstacles, which I feel need to be said , I argue we DOSers have spent far too long being quiet. 

Again, Pioneer talks about the law alot, but lets call it like it is, the quantity of financial crimes against black people that has gne to court int he usa is less than one percent per year, that is a lot money taken from us. Maybe you will call that complaining but.. I rather it said than not. 

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

Many Black folks have figured out how to navigate white terror in order to win.  Easy...no.  Doable...absolutely.😎

You are 100% correct, but the absolute truth requires an addition , winning is based on how they define winning and black DOSers don't define winning the same way. I shouldn't have to go into history for you to know this. 

 

@admin

7 hours ago, admin said:

You can also raise the subscription price.

 

you know already that raising the price of a good already diminishes those who can afford it, and like the ferrari brand or apple brand shows in the automotive or electronics industries, the higher priced items do have markets but they always lose volume. and reach a volume wall,which is a point of stagnation which the publicly traded environment hates. cause speculation/things to look at that don't have a constant increaseable factor lose their market viability. 

7 hours ago, admin said:

Period, 'nuff said.

 

So you and profd believe a homeless black man can get a house based on will and desire... hmmmm ok, 

@ProfD 

On 3/22/2026 at 9:20 PM, ProfD said:

I doubt liberal white folks will allow the Chrsitian Nationalists to take over the country & force everyone to adopt it.

 

Well, the issue isn't allowing the issue is who can stop this from going to war. The USA has a long history of internal military conflicts. The secession from the english empire was mostly fought between peoples who were of the english colonies and other european colonies. it wasn't colonists vs the english, it was colonist vs colonist.  one side of colonist had aid from the french military and spanis military, the other side of colonist had aid from the english military. In the war of 1812, it was the same, many people in the usa fought with the english to reclaim the usa. new england/virginia/carolinas/kansas all had regional wars between whites. and then came the war between the states. The creation of the federal bureau of investigation was first for the original klu klux klan whose mission it was to become the largest subcommunity in the white populace and thus take over the usa, the fbi, through all sorts of means undid the original klu klux klan, which i argue prevented armed conflict from a larger scale occuring in the white populace in the usa. Then the fbi and other agencies did similar into all organizations in the usa to make sure none ... led to anything, so to speak. 

The nation of islam, the sons of odin, the tong, every organization in the usa i hear has a three letter agent and their sole role has to be quelling any organizations ability to start a massive armed conflict in the usa, which will lead to larger ones as in the past. 

This the 1950s 1960s 1970s where many people in the usa were... taken out of commission in various ways. 

Now in modernity, I argue, the military + three letter organizations are the ones keeping this piece, not so called liberal whites or so called conservative whites.  it is the military industrial complex keeping the peace. I don't have proof. But their goal isnt preventing any from taking over the country as you say, their goal in my mind, is keeping a peace, because the usa is demographically very weak. You can't get ten people in the usa in any city to explain what unites people in the usa outside of lies/commercial statements/ or honest I don't knows. All ten will not say the simple truth, individual greed. The problem with that truth is, individual greed doesn't lend to working with others, by default.  If you can't get people in the usa to comprehend why they should be aligned casually, if they start thinking the walls will get higher. 

The question is one of arms. Schrumpft is president now. The states are already showing at least two camps on alot of issues, but they haven't armed themselves. The good news for the military is the post lincoln federalism has successfully defanged all states in the union. None of them can survive a month without the federal welfare check. Circa 1865 most states in the union had totally internal economies, they battled each other for trade let alone places outside the usa. so, the key is the states,will the schrumpf era lead to states developing themselves to be self sufficient as in the past? if so , that will lead to war eventually 

Another potential is a fissure in the military which would quicken the pace, but it seems the military hasn't fissured but it has happened in the past and will happen again eventually.

 

@aka Contrarian

21 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Why? Because they promote a lot of issues that Blacks go along with: They are against abortion, believing that life begins at conception, they are homophobic and anti LGBQT, they advocate prayer in public schools, and are not sympathetic about Hispanicl immigrants.

The views Blacks have in common with these hypocritical, racist, super patriotic fascistic, fanatical conspiracy theorists make them and Evangelical Nationals strange bedfellows...

And to be blunt, the challenge is on our particular tribe. Black DOSers are in a modernity where the usa it is fifty years, a half century,  since the sixties and black dosers as individuals have achieved a lot, more than any other group arguably, but as a populace, are even farther from being a potent community. and so i think many DOSers are in the resent phase when plans don't go as some preached or some prayed for or some guaranteed. How many black parents told black children what to do and it turned out hogwash? don't break the law, go to ivy league, be a proud american, embrace the other as a human being, hasn't led to much of anything for a lot of black people, and definitely hasnt led to the black populace being a black community. so, blame game for many, lets blame the immigrant, lets blame muslims. even black immigrants or black muslims are under attack. 

Not strange bedfellows. many white german jewish organizations were in full support of the nazis with the nazi's yelling death to all jews. it isn't strange. 

all populaces of people are broken up into tribes in truth because how people see the world, themselves, their future, is rarely the same. 

These blacks are frightened of white power, are making a gambit that allegiance with them will save them from violence, from harm, they don't care for the multiracial USA that was probably promised by their parents and elders growing up as a positive when that was an over simplification. The black church... whom I have so much to say on, misguided the black populace in all earnest, in times past and has been forever regretful that it fucked up, blaming all but itself for its modern condition. 

so yeah.

 

@Pioneer1 

what do you want exactly? I am a little confused. 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, it subconsciously promotes the idea that the "Black children" that result from such hook-ups would be the "ideal" or "designer" children in our community.

Infact, the light skinned children of Kanye West and Jay Z and how they're being promoted are yet another example of how light skinned individuals are being promoted as the ideal representatives of our community.

At the rate things are going with lighter and lighter skinned people being promoted as "Black"....who's to say that a couple of generations from now ACTUAL WHITE people will not only be accepted as but even promoted as the ideal "Black" people?

You know that Black owned media exists and black owned media emphasizes black love between black people who are not yella/light skin/ideal mulatto/ or similar. 

you know black people have access to black owned media in the usa. 

So when I see your complaint, it seems to me, what you really want is for non black owned media to present black people a certain way. Am I right? 

My problem with your desire is, how can that happen in the USA? is not the usa a multiracial country? 

Many people talk about white jews but many websites in the usa, many groups in the usa are publicly anti jewish, no matter a jews phenotype. 

All the American civil liberties unions and Defamation Leagues don't stop said anti jewish organizations from posting whole movies online stating the jewish populace, any phenotype, has to be... removed.

 

So what do you want exactly? 

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@ProfD 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

FBA/AfroAmericans have come a long way between slavery & the present. Especially compared to Black folks who have lived in their own countries over the same period of time.

That is a large suggestion... I don't know... 100% your correct that the condition of 99% of black people in the usa 1865 who were completely enslaved, which means financially whites made sure said black percentage had, no money, no bank account, no inheritance, no knowledge of fiscal concerns like a contract or ledger ; educationally means [not through laziness but white power], no ability to read, no ability to write, no knowledge of their forebears, no knowledge of their populaces intricacies[enslaved black people were born enslaved, they didn't know about haiti a land made by DOSers, abyssinia the only part of africa not a european colony, the larger DOS populaces in south america, knowledge of monrovia or freetown, in modernity yes, a black person can say what we know but 1865 most black people in the usa didn't have any knowledge of black people outside of their slave quarter, they didn't know of the gens de colour of new orleans unless they were actually from new orleans which wasn't most black people by a large distance in the usa] ; Culturally, what we grow or are growing to,  means [ through white power again]: no direction[and this is huge, again in modernity black people talk about american alot, but in 1865 our forebears weren't american. they wanted to be free yes, but they didn't associate freedom with the usa. this is something we tend to miss today. Our forebears in 1865 didn't want to be president, didn't want fight with whites, didn't want to live with whites, so the fact that a majority of us in the usa do now, means black people made choices BUT they made choices absent all the things in this paragraph i wrote, which are influential. Hell, I argue, most black people at the end of the war between the states, when the usa's modern midwestern/western states were all still territories should had moved en mass to canada. And I know that Frederick Douglass opposed Harriet Tubman because tubman wanted black people to go all the way up north to canada but frederick douglass, very statian, was looking to his individual benefit and knew that whites in the usa have always disliked the idea of Black DOSers leaving this country with hateful hearts in mass for obvious reasons. But Tubman was correct, the better culture for black people circa 1865 was in canada rather than the usa, canada 1865 isn't the canada of today. Canada in 1865 is very much a country place, hard to live but a place black dosers from the usa could had made a home, yes nothing is easy, but it was the better choice and absent all the things mentioned we were able to be manipulated by black individuals or the white populist to make foolish/dysfunctional choices]

 

So, yes, the Black DOS populace today has definitely grown from the conditions of 1865, look at this very forum. Modern Black people are like Common's character in the movie Alice and Alice in the film Alice is like black people of 1865. They would be shocked at us on alot of levels based on their life experiences. 

BUT, the way or style of growth of DOSers has a lot of negative aspects that don't come from DOSers but the environment. 

I argue, that black DOSers lost more than we ever gained from 1865 to today. Rosewood the black financial capitol of florida, white people commited crimes, no one white to jail or a court room, black people in florida have never recovered. Greenwood, the black financial capitol of oklahoma, white people committed crimes, no one white to jail or a court room, black people in oklahoma never recovered. Faubourg treme, an educational capitol of black people in the usa , was assaulted by whites cut up, burned down, never recovered. Madame CJ Walker yes, fiscally wealthy but NYC did everything in its power to diminish black financial growth , including burning harlem, driving black people into prison with made up charges... I think black people today love to look on the bright side but the honest side is the better place. This goes back to frederick douglass side harriet tubman. Douglass felt that going through all these hurdles was a positive and Tubman was correct, lets get away from this place, so we can live in peace. from 1865 to 2026 we as a people have daily, not yearly or monthly but daily had to deal with white abuse, what is so valuable about that? 

That white abuse... the white men who killed malcolm's father never went to jail, no one knows who they are... going through these white hurdles from 1865 in the usa makes Black DOSers fools. 

 

So... yes Black DOSers have come a long way, but was it a wise way, was it an honest way, was it a black way... or was it a liars way, was it a fool's way, was it the white mans chosen way for us?

And is the path the white man laid for us better in comparison to a path we laid for ourselves. 

Many black people will argue that the immigration to the usa is a sign of usa greatness, but I always counter with a simple truth, the usa makes the rest of the world poor. 

The usa had stolen/kidnapped/murdered many leaders of haiti from toussaint louverture to a recent president, acts that the usa would call an act of war but somehow when the usa does it, it isn't an act of war... stole haiti's gold which again, the usa would call an act of war but... the hit list of countries the usa has done similar too: killed/stole/destroyed is very long

 

Mexico/Nicaragua/China/Japan/Vietnam/Korea/Afghanistan/Libya/Iraq/Iran/Congo/Germany/Argentina/Brasil/Chile/Phillipines/Cuba/The palestinean protectorate of the british empire/Uganda/Ghana/Canada

 

Building from the ground up is easy when you have land you can steal like First peoples of the american continet, when you have enslaved other human beings, like Black DOSer forebears... when you have the country who destroyed yours completely, provide the rich people who led the wars against said country so that you and the rest of the poor don't oppose said country, like Germany/Japan/France/Italy.....I can't think of any government in modern human history that actually built from the ground up and became a world leader or fiscally potent. 

USA had stolen land and enslaved labor, the best of everything to grow. 

China got the entire global manufacturing industry as a gift by the usa to separate them from russia in the cold war

Russia as the Union of Soviet Socialist republics used the end of the second european imperial war to grow their influence and control, the usa had aided them at he begining of said war cause the usa couldn't beat germany+ japan alone. And the USSR was trying to reclaim the lands of the russian empire which were larger. 

Japan made to rubble by the usa was given a legendary welfare check by the usa so they wouldn't join the ussr. 

Germany,made to rubble by the usa completely,  in its west side, was given a legendary welfare check by the usa so they wouldn't join the ussr. 

France made to rubble by war, all sides, was given a legendary welfare check by the usa so they wouldn't join the ussr. 

India was given money by the usa + ussr to picka side , in the end, india didn't pick either and still hasn't, and still does business with both. thus india didn't get what china got from the usa for distancing from russia but still gets some with russia+ china as neighbors and the usa afraid of having three public opponents of the usa representing half of humanities populace together as neighbors. 

Brasil like the usa had stolen land + enslaved labor, the best of everything to grow and did all the immigration patterns of the usa as well. 

England... do I have to say this was the country that once boasted the sun never set on its empire, extracting all sorts of wealth from everywhere. 

ISrael, stole the land from england lived in by the palestinean, the palestinean protectore, but were financed militarilly and governmentally by the usa in perpetuity. 

Not one government mentioned above built from the ground up on their own, with no massive criminal activity. 

 

So, yeah , Nigeria/Haiti/Jamaica/Guyana/Ghana/Ethiopia/ Sri lanka/ Madagascar many countries full of black people immigrate to the usa but the usa has committed successful acts of war against those countries... What would the usa be if its leaders were constantly removed/killed, it resources constantly ripped, if other countries were vulturing. 

 

So Black DOSers whose forebears were literally enslaved to the whites of the european colonies and then the usa made from them,  are living in the country as allies to the whites who have literally undermined every single black country in humanity... 

 

So... I don't know. I think hundreds of years from now, someone will be able to look back and truly compare black populaces around the world and see who has grown more or less. But currently, Brasil/USA/South Africa/India/Nigeria all have black one percents, very wealthy, all have a majority fiscally poor black 99%. All have been enslaved in one form or another to whites in said country. The only variance I can think of is that in the USA's/Brasil's/India's of the world , unlike the Nigeria's/HAiti's/South Africa's the black populaces have hurt themselves to settle non blacks in usa/brasil/india are all the same, have been terrible to black people but blacks in each country has made a choice to coexist to whites who to be blunt, have never stopped terrorizing them... who is the fool, the terrorist or the one who keeps living next to the terrorist?

 

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

The fact that Tyler Perry  who wasn't born wealthy has been able to amass a fortune significant enough to buy studios is an accomplishment.

 

I concur, it is a financial accomplishment, For the record I never said he didn't accomplish, i stated to whom he sold his prior stuido

 

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'm glad so many FBA/AfroAmericans who were not born wealthy have been able to make a lot of money here in the USA.😎

yeah me too, could had been way better... what would greenville in tulsa be, rosewood in florida be, and so many other places if white people didn't burn whole black communities down to the ground and kill black people who had committed no crime whatsoever. 

Black people are always free to let the revenge go... BUT financially, the past can not be let go because financially, the past matters. 

When whites like the nypd round up black people inequally per the law, that is a financial attack on the black populace. 

Let's be blunt, a show once existed about a white woman selling marijuana in some town outside a city, commonly called a suburb , more correctly an exourb. it is n't under but outside.. Anyway, while in nyc the nypd is rounding up marijuana dealers while never seeming able to find cocaine dealers, the nypd finds cocaine but no cocaine dealers.  These are financial attacks. Black people talk about money so much but don't calculate the financial loss/hit/negative black people go through with white interactions. 

When white states in the south placed trash bin areas next to black towns making black people sick with its fumes, that is a financial cost. Not just healthcost. 

I am happy for black folk who financially get through white terror, but white terror is still here and it has a huge financial cost that we blacks need to start admitting. 

 

@ProfD 

I have never underestimated, you said and I quote 

On 3/23/2026 at 6:02 AM, ProfD said:

if Magic Johnson is still in that business. 

you used the word IF right, that means you don't know or are unsure... that isn't me underestimating and I think anyone would evenly ask, why didn't you know. 

 

20 minutes ago, ProfD said:

The point I was making is that Black folks do have outlets &/or some level of influence over them.

 

I didn't refute that point, which also was pioneer's point, but I cleared up the falsities that either one of you alluded. 

22 minutes ago, ProfD said:

There's nothing to prevent Black folks from investing in more platforms if there is a real desire to do so.

 

There's nothing, that isn't true. Most black people in the usa are still near the financial level their enslaved forebears were, which is by design by whites, not an accident by white planning and an honest financial position not an excuse. White people didn't get rich absent criminal activities, so it is a financial insult to suggest black people can blossom in majority with less opportunity and yes, taking land and enslaving other and cheating others are financial opportunities that matter. 

Fiscal poverty is powerful. What does desire have to do with anything? 

I go back to James Forten, again, black man, living at the time of george washington, business owner. 

Yes, Profd, business owner, white people certified. But, the larger black populace, has always been a different financia reality than the blacks with money. And as this community has already made established, blacks with money couldn't even push to make sure they only sent people to historical black colleges so... 

are blacks with money not investing in the black populace to their utmost? yes. 

But, the gap between the black 1% and the black 99% has always been the widest fiscal gap of any populace in the usa. 

to restate, the gap between the nonblack 1%(whether female/latino/christian / other) and the non black 99% is smaller than the gap between the black 1% and the black 99%. 

31 minutes ago, ProfD said:

TV One is but one an example. Tyler Perry owns a whole movie production set-up in Georgia.

yes and he sold his prior studio to a white latino. 

 

31 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I'm never going to be defeated into believing Black folks cannot afford to establish anything of benefit &/or importance to us.

 

I am glad, in my own mind, I am not trying to bring down any black person's hope BUT when it comes to money , when it comes to the USA , the reality is, we blacks have a lying problem. this very post started with a false financial evaluation pioneer, which you didn't even point out. 

Are black people in the usa today, circa 2026, financially  better than anytime in the past, on average or the whole? the answer is yes. 

But, black people have always been limited to legal civil financial growth by the non blacks. Again NYC, irish/italians/white jews/chinese/white latinos all to this day each not only commit more financial crimes  than black people but have protection from law enforcement for said crimes.  Black people are the penultimate, nearest above the least,  criminal plus least illegal actors in the usa, the first is the native american whose financial position is the worst of any group in the usa. 

White jews and italians burned down the entire bronx, to get insurance money and yet, to this day, you still have black people talking about how, black people can't  Where was the cops while the bronx was burning? oh right, the cops are the cousins to the italian and white jewish landowners. 

the biggest financial crime black people had was the numbers and we had to give the italian mob a cut of that. 

the italian mob which financed the golden gate bridge, through the bank of america, formerly the bank of italy, was able to earn financial fortunes over crimes covering the entire shipping industry/construction industry/gambling industry...  the irish/ the white jews/the white latino/ the white asian  ala chinese all did and do likewise. 

I never see the NYPD who always seem interested in hording around congregations of unarmed black children find their way to stopping any crimes from the non black so... that is how nonblack populaces financially grow. 

They don't admit it. But it is the truth, it is the truth to how the usa works. 

Black people will never get law enforcement in the usa which is not black and moreover has tons of self hating blacks in it in modernity , to cover for any financial crimes. That cover is how others have afforded the ability to truly grow financially. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Black development in any industry is a  matter of desire & will. The resources exist.😎

no profd, in the usa , white development in any industry has always been a matter of financial growth through criminal means. White people didnt just desire and will, they were allowed to act criminally, which is a big deal in a country that purports to be against illegal activity.  

Black people can't will or desire through phenotypical bias. That is the point of phenotypical bias. 

 

@Pioneer1

First to delete false claims. Television + Univision are not latin american owned, in the same BET which is owned by Skydance is not Black american owned. I could ask why a black person in modern times, seeks to create a false impotency in speaking on the black populace in the usa compared to other non white european populaces. but i will not. The USA is white european owned circa ninety percent. 

 

In February 2020, Searchlight Capital Partners and ForgeLight acquired a 64% majority stake in Univision, with Televisa keeping their 36% minority stake.

Searchlight was founded by Eric Zinterhofer , Oliver Haarmann , Erol Uzumeri 

Forgelight I don't know who they are, but they do not sound latin american.

NBCUniversal owns Telemundo completely, NBCUniversal is not latino. 

So your decision to knock down the black populace using another non white european populace is false.

 

@ProfD 

OWN , the oprah winfrey network is not black owned. 

Warner Bros. Discovery Global Linear Networks (95%)
Harpo Productions (5%)

Skydance owns Warner Bros. , Skydance is not black. Oprah WInfrey owns five percent of the OWN Network.

 

Bounce TV is owned by the Scripps Network, Scripps is white. Jonathan KAtz founded Bounce, he is white. 

 

I knew Magic Johnson didn't own magic johnson theaters anymore, why didn't you profd? 

While the chain still bears Johnson's name, he is no longer actively involved in the management committee, strategic planning, operations, or public relations.

It is part of the Lows cineplex entertainment company. 

 

Now TVOne is black owned, from a black woman in the washington DC area I think.

Originally launched as a joint venture with Comcast, Urban One would acquire the former's stake in 2015. So it started as a joint venture like OWN but is completely black owned now. 

 

SO, of the media enterprises mentioned in this post only one is black owned. only one is not white european owned. 

Now, can TV One do better?  all firms can, from a raw accounting perspective. But, TV One is doing great in my view. Considering the entertainment industry in the USA is very conglomerated now. The existence of TV One is really against the grain. That is why magic johnson , oprah and others all sold their shares to big firms gobbling. 

As I said, Netflix was given a favor by Skydance, who now owns paramount + warner bros + discovery and whatever else those firms gobbled before. 

NEtflix wanted globally known intellectual properties, but I argue adding all that debt would had been a mistake and skydance will have a lot of internal manipulation with all they own now. 

 

@admin 

so many people are tired of commercials, but here is the big problem, subscription is a terrible business model for publicly traded entertainment firms. the problem with subscription as nassr al khaleefi, ceo of beinsports said, I paraphrase, the only way to make continual monetary growth  is to add on subscribers but the global economy has a limit on how much growth can exist in that way, while a free app with commercials, the same like network television but with apps, can grow continually because with quality content you can raise the advertising fees overtime. But trying to do both is going to lose out over time, no one wants to pay for a service with commercials. 

 

 

@Pioneer1 

I comprehend your frustration, like james Forten 250 years ago, you have embraced the usa and both of you show a desire to compete side the other people in the usa financially, while in the legal confines. Thus your desire to suggest impotency , not to stymie but to inspire through negative critique. I get it. but be easy. patience is a virtue. 

Let's imagine you are the president of the USA in the future and the congress has made a law concerning immigration, that you want to sign immediately after you see it. 

What will that law be? 

@Milton nice:) remember to have a national black bookstore event for april 7th

 

The Vernal Rose 
Enjoy the poetry and art. Tell me what you think?

 

Segregations Heritage or Separation 101 
The USA has always had a form of integration financially and never  implemented segregation financially, a complete cut off between various peoples in the usa financially: between women side men or blacks side whites or religious side the atheist or other? 
Do you think a complete fiscal segregation movement is needed in the usa?

 

Stephanie Mills born 1957 
Happy Belated Birthday to the songstress. Do you have a favorite performance of hers? 

 

Luckily I am in a local region where offline black owned bookstores exist..well at least any of us can direct people to aalbc as a bookstore

CENTO Series episode 96
Enjoy the poetry

 

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@aka Contrarian Well from my assessment of history Douglass never left his black wife for his white mistress, whom if I am correct, killed herself...I checked, frederick douglass first wife died before he married his second wife. as for nat king cole, I knew he had cheated on his wife ,but I have never seen whom or any photos or anything. His wife I recall in some interview said he cheated and she went on tour in europe and came back and they continued their lives, he didn't have cancer when she came back but it started soon enough after. So in both cases, i wouldn't say as a male, they left their wives. Both men were always married to their black wives while having a white mistress.  

 

@ProfD 

yes, your correct, financial revenue, financial value for most , 99% , black folk in any industry in the usa historically is based on white dollars in the usa, always has been , i argue always will be based on the demographic reality. but financial revenue isn't respect or admiration. it is earned value labor something whites historically never want to give black people, and for the financial record, Nat King Cole was cheated money by whites. so earning money clearly doesn't yield respect or admiration, but if it is evenly done, it does pay the bills

@aka Contrarian 

is unforgettable your favrite nat king cole rendition?

@ProfD 

a certain level of respect and admiration, interesting words you chose to describe levels that didn't include respect or admiration to nat king cole in his life from his enemies. 

again, the issue isn't about black enemies, it is about black people gardless of their personal talents who are willing to live peacefully to the non black , it is that simple. 

St patrick's day passed and I do like the film michael collins . Him and a few others in irish leadership really led to the movement that made a part of ireland free from england after 700 years, but the key moment was when he realized that the freedom the irish wanted the happiness the irish wanted as a people, not individuals,  wasn't going to come through business ownership, marching, peitions, government engagement, they did all of that for centuries and it led to nothing. The only way ireland was going to be free, which is why irish in most of ireland today are truly free, is by killing english....

Agan, James Forten to NAt King Cole to various black folk today, live their lives to happiness in spite of the communities oppression. That to me is what warrants respect or admiration that is what nonblacks don't respect or admire. being entertaining doesn't grant you respect or admiration from the bully.