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@Pioneer1

In my mind you posit a great question. The IRA was only a few hundred people. So from a historical point of view, I see your point. But in my mind, I wonder. The black community in the usa, like the native american , is in a very unique position. Not in terms of being abused as a minority but in the scale of abuse in the country in question. White jews have always been abused in europe but never to the scale. Even during the nazi era in germany, some white jews were given lenience or ease in a way never given to anyone black, or native american,  in similar moments in the usa. 

I ponder the question you posit. you didn't ask it, but it is in there. 

Your correct and thus maybe one of the problems. Again, when humans talk of a better tomorrow anywhere, they rarely ask about that which has not occurred. thus my point about a black party of governance. I don't know the future. but if we look at what hasn't happened, what hasn't occurred, maybe that can break the boring cycles. Maybe the black populace in the usa has allowed too much individualism in itself. Is the white populace in control in the usa? 100% . I am not suggesting that black people are in control. I am not suggesting anything is easy. but maybe that needs to happen internally in the black populace in the usa.  And I am not suggesting most black people in the usa today are onboard with anything like what I suggests as new things to do. But, maybe we go in circles in the usa cause we are doing the same things.

and your right, my parents were there and didn't shy away from telling me the truth as a child... I can even argue maybe too many black adults lie to black children about the past. again, another thing we don't do.  So many of our forebears didn't speak about the past? was that helpful? perhaps. I am not trying to suggest I have all the answers. but  I argue, black people maybe need to tell our children some hard truths early on. stop expecting them to learn them and instead tell them . Cause I am certain most black parents at least, in certain communities in nyc, are very negligent in speaking about our phenotypical history with whites. I am not talking about telling black children to do good, or to be wary of law enforcement. I mean to get to the nitty gritty of what community did what to make the system of things we live in today... 

I will like to add, black entertainers  in the usa have another issue. As entertainers they all to often live by salary to whites with money who govern the system. sequentially, black entertainers are simply not in a strong enough space in their individual lives to risk communicating to black betterment without concern to white backlash. I concur that many entertainers in their actions show a lack of knowledge to the black populace, or black culture or black history. But I want to add, most black entertainers live with a mask on. And make their individual profit in the least secure financial place, which is the arts. 

I concur to your point but we black people tend to forget, real estate/manufacturing/energy sector, these industries are not dominated by whites by accident. these industries are where real power resides and as our forebears were enslaved, and our leaders from the end of complete slavery to today haven't led us to make our own space in the usa, we have a long way to go to own/control the kind of resources where a black person can speak without reprimand by whites. We need more than entertainers to be the leaders but as a nonviolent peoples and in my opinion, black people in the usa are the most nonviolent behind the native american, entertainment is one of the few places where we can grow. IT will take alot of time for us to be in control of such industries to speak out in the usa. 

@ProfD truth...

truth...

partial , before the secession in the french-british war <called french - indian usually> and after in the war of 1812  you can see the british were willing to use natives or blacks to counter whites in the usa. Which to be blunt, ProfD is strategically a different situation. The british are not good, they were an empire, all empires are based on power, not goodness. but, all empires are willing to make arrangement in their fringes, ala the roman empire which in germania created the seeds for the vandals later. The roman empire didn't love the vandals, but the vandals served a function.  To me , your making too light of the strategic need of the british empire to have a minority in its favor , in the same way the usa supports israel in the arab world. Israel is given constant support, this is not cause most whites in the usa, are in love with white jews, this is cause they serve a function. 

fair enough.. let goodness be where it is

fair enough... I think leaders have levels of quality

and same

I think desire is the most important factor. I have never believed anyone is as ignorant as they seem

Good point, I want to add, dispirited people are the farthest, beyond the mind is the heart. When the heart quits that is stronger than the mind's distance.

I think racism is human and thus as long as humans exists racism will, the question is how we humans manage it. It doesn't have to be managed to obsolescence or cruelty

@Cynique your right, add the native american. And beyond american, racism is as human as love or hate or selflessness, all are human. Nothing to dispute. Those who complain the most want something in their favor. Black people, native americans, women... have a lot of complaints. Nothing to dispute. The only thing is certain, is sooner or later, everybody gets their time at the top of the pyramid. The question is, will your group be at the top when you are alive:) 

Yeah, justice is abstract because most think justice is about a universal truth or a universal balance, but it itsn't. Justice is determined by that which is in power at the time. Those in power changes and everyone can't be in power at the same time. 

Yeah , it is boring isn't it. But as I have opined alot recently in this forum. If you are bored, try different things. The black populace in the usa has done nearly everything peacefully possible to live integrated with whites.  Very few things black people haven't done to make it better without violence. so... 

thank you for coming out your corner:) 

@ProfD is it fragmented or variance? 

I think more than any other phenotypical group. The black populace in the usa has greater disagreement or  variance on the relationship of black people to the usa. Remember, most free blacks chose to fight with the british during the secession. I can't think of any other group barring native americans who are unique: whites, latinos any phenotype, asians any phenotype, women any phenotype, who had a moment in usa history where a majority of their free peoples were anti usa. And we all know, enslaved black people if freed would had joined the free blacks who sided with the british. 

Do you want to be in the usa, and how do you want to be? Television shows Black leaders or wealthy and they all champions pro integrated usa. but is that the truth? I doubt it. 

And that is why I oppose your position to black leadership being absent. I think black leadership is present in the usa, but most black leaders in the usa publicly support an individual agenda in the black community. Do I concur to that agenda? no. Do most black people? I can't be exactly sure, but I say no.  but ... that is what most Black leaders in the usa in 2022 utter. 

@Pioneer1 Yes, the black populace in the usa has an element of blame, 100% correct. 

But the problem is, the kind of collective action you are referring to is not in the black populace of the usa. 

Look at this website. Most black people in the usa online are not members of a black owned website. Said people can't even organize together online, with no threat or harm whatsoever, so... offline.  

I do comprehend your point. but I think it leads to a larger problem. The black populace in the usa is a collection of individuals for the most part in 2022.

@Chevdove my point isn't to state what the black populace in the usa needs to do as a group. first and foremost cause the black populace in the usa is a group of individuals, not a functional community. From a communal view, the black populace in the usa at best has a set of subcommunities in it. 

My issue is the problems of the usa are grand plus many and have been that way for a very long time. It has been the accumulation of fiscal weatlh that stayed explosions. ala the 1960s was a better time for black labor than usually advertised. but, The populace under this government has always been mostly unhappy and now the uunhappiness may require more than the small simple gestures that worked enough in the past. 

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When a person is feeling negative, from a bad mood to hate, the reasons why are not a straight line. It depends on many things. And, the choices said person  has to emit their negativity are near infinite, with many versions involving harming others, from slightest injury to murder. 

But, I know that any of my enslaved forebears didn't need a weapon to want to kill white people. And I know that the weapon of choice from the anarchist or the Irish republican army wasn't a gun but an explosive, which can be made by anyone in the usa. 

So, I will not go into any detail on my thoughts to who is to blame. But I know that whatever plus whomever is to blame will not lead to the answer of the following question. 

How does a populace of mostly unhappy people , from the native american since before the usa was founded to the most recent immigrants under a bridge, survive peacefully? 

The USA has 50 states, each state gets two senators and every state has at least one house member. OF those 50 states I doubt the majority in all or most support more gun access limitations. Sequentially, no law is passed in Congress. 

@nels Question, are you saying no one in the usa acts on a negative racial bias towards others and kills? 

@Stefan  This topic reflects the challenges in the black populace in the usa. It had adherents in the past in the black populace in the usa, has adherents  now in the black populace in the usa. 

The most financially potent black individuals in the usa have never supported an agenda like this, but that doesn't mean it isn't wanted by black people in the usa or needed by black people in the usa.

I end with , I am certain a black party of governance will occur in the usa. I am also certain it will be opposed by quite a large number of black people. but, if you the history of black people in the usa, that makes sense. so, when you hear of a black party of governance in the usa, just remember I told you it will happen, and if you want to do something positive, don't get involved in it. 

@Mel Hopkins I only asked cause I wasn't going to search and I gambled you might now off the top of your head. I didn't ask as an inquisition into your thinking or process. I comprehended what you said before. You didn't need to restate.

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@Chevdove It is all about doing military things from the safety of your living room. The cold war showed powerful countries they can safely fight through little countries. which is very profitable in a financial sense for both

glad you found that history. What region of india did he come from? I know some people in india and the larger so called indian subcontinent. 

and yes, many black people utilize false narratives to support their path being viewed as dominant. that is one of my large dislikes of frederidk douglass. I don't mind that he wanted a positive integration between all phenotypes/all races in the usa, but I mind that he underminded other strategies to favor his own. He rejected back to africa, he rejected haiti, he rejected leaving the usa to canada for that matter. he was so vehemently opposed to other ideas and the culture of that exists today when black people talk about all of our forebears as if they only followed one idea. 

@Chevdove my pleasure, I always support creativity among black people which is the heart of black nationalism. 

All I can add is, many artists have published work that was not received well when they were alive but had great reception afterwards. Controversial content is one of the most respectable things an artist can do because by default controversial content goes against fiscal profitability or mass appeal. So, I hope you create the book so that it exists in the ether of work that always gets its due .

@Stefan Remember when you talk about the Black people who fought for the right to vote, never forget the black people back then who opposed that. Not all black people supported that strategy. Remember WEB Dubois himself who believed in integration and the momviolent action of the vote as an older man, in simple terms, rebuked that stance. so , does one honor WEB DUbois the younger or WEB Dubois the older? they are not the same man. 

The garveyite movement at its heart was a movement of segregation or separation. The whole point of leaving the usa is to severe links not to carry the links to africa or anywhere else. And, if Malcolm's father was a garveyite, I think it proves many forebears didn't die for the right to vote. But died for other causes, rightly or wrongly , functionally or dysfunctionally. 

I will not speak for all other black men, but in my experience, offline plus online, I find most black men don't have envy or distaste for barack obama. Most black men don't think much of him. But, the why is key? And I have said it before many times  in AALBC, that black men don't want in majority what Black women want. Connecting to Mel's points. Black women have led the black community since the war between the states ended, in my view. but, black men, are going a different path, they want a different relationship to the usa. Not all, BArack Obama is a black man. Eric Adams is a black man. but I think most black men do not believe in the usa project. The problem is, they don't have a system around what they want or need. I go back to the million man march. What so few say is it was clear black men were looking for something the usa doesn't have, and they are still looking. And it clearly isn't going to be achieved through the system that satisfies many black women, and I daresay most black women. 

So I am glad you state your position on a black party of governance, but I repeat merely for the record, if some total stranger reads this, I am certain many black people in the usa want or need a black party of governance.  

@ProfD I think your point is nail on the head. In harlem, the Black vote has solidified the party of andrew jackson for decades before I was born on all levels of government. What has the black populace in harlem achieved for this participation, this voting block way? nothing. The answer is nothing. The city council of new york, the two legislative branches of new york state, the house of representatives of the congress, all black, all voted in by a black majority for decades. But what has that voting block earned the black community of harlem? nothing. 

I will never forget the million man march, I couldn't go but I remember the older males in my clan who did. and they all had the same position. this wasn't what they hoped for. At the end of the day, the speeches was what you hear on AALBC alot. Please vote, as if the black community hasn't supported both parties for over 150 years earnestly and achieved nothing. Please follow the law. As if, white people aren't committing illegalities all the time. 

Again, in harlem, it was the nypd that pushed drugs on black people, everybody know this, that is a common fact. And comprehend, Black elected officials at all levels of government existed to represent harlem  while this happened. and some will say play a game but the party of abraham lincoln offered white people talking about the beauty of citizenship or black officials telling other black people about bootstraps and we both know what mlkjr thought of that. soo... of course black people voted and still vote for the party of andrew jackson in harlem, but its worth nothing. 

Again, I know black people in south africa. many, can't say most most or least, black people in south africa curse mandela. why? He went to jail in zulu garb and came out in european dress. No that isn't the reason but it is a motif to his reality. he came out wanting what black people in the usa want. And the results were the same, but black people in south africa didn't die for that. They didn't die for integration with whites. My point is, black people in south africa voted over 95% , now it is down to circa 60% . People love to talk of voting as if all black people in the past died for voting, that isn't true. Beko didn't die for voting. Garvey didn't live for voting. Dessalines spat on voting. And the results of voting with the black community all through humanity show its inefficiency and why many and eventually most abandon it. It doesn't lead to anything.  And thus why, whites in majority support the party of abraham lincoln. the party of abraham lincoln in modernity isn't helping the white power agenda as purely as many suggest but it is the better option to the integration that the whites don't want. 

In the end, Mel's comment made me realize maybe a majority of black men side a minority of black women need a black party of governance. While a majority of black women side a minority of black men fit or are satisfied to the current parties and their function. What if the black men , want in majority, a more straight forward support, like the entire white community in the usa, which includes white asian, white latinos, white muslims. They don't have an option, and I think they still need it and want it. 

@Mel Hopkins do you know what percentage of black women in the usa vote, as percent of the whole? 

I have said the following to you multiple times. black women are the key to the black village in the usa. They are the ones who guided the black village to modernity, rightly or wrongly, functionally or dysfunctionally. I think black people in the usa who are not comfortable with the strategy that most black women are comfortable with need to create or find strategies they are comfortable with. 

@ProfD I apologize, I didn't say I think it will happen, I said I will love if it did

@Chevdove exactly, the black populace in the usa, has a heritage of nonviolence. rightly or wrongly, functionally or dysfunctionally. 

I don't see the scenario in ukraine as a cultural war. modern humanity has three empires: the usa/china/russia. the empires are testing the water to see where the weaker countries will align. In the end, the usa/russia/china haven't had any issue in their borders. It  is still the same cold war proxy stuff. Ukraine may become the next germany. 

interesting, I hope you have your story written down for later generations in your clan. Alot of people in the usa talk about genealogy, but while genetic tracing can be informative, nothing beats messages from the past that have emotional content. 

@ProfD I will say this, I will love the us government to give multiples of billions to native american reservations. 

@Chevdove glad it was a great experience... I am saddened that you don't feel the confidence  to start such a literary venture, being part of this community. We are in AALBC and you don't feel you can do it. Well, I know you can. and I hope you decide to. 

@ProfD fair enough

@Stefan for me, the black village has many tribes and each tribe has their own size, some are small, some are large, and they each have their own goals, some are peaceful, some are violent, but for me, each can succeed. the question for each black person, is which tribe do you belong too. 

@ProfD global early warning system:) I love that:) 

@Chevdove do you know of a book of graduates from hbcu's speaking on their experiences? I don't know of a book like that. I imagine it exists. I know of many individuals who have stated their time at one. but, a collection, i can not recall. 

Thanks, What I love about that clip is it proved what I have always said, which some people, even black people, need reminding. MLK jr wasn't a fool. Yes, I oppose the strategy of MLK jr, but I never felt or thought he was a fool. He didn't miscomprehend disadvantage. He did not  feel that black people need to unfairly struggle. He did not feel that black people should not have advantage. MLK jr, advocated non violence in the usa because when one black person is alone and don't have any other black support, all they can do usually, is fight through the system nonwhite's have constructed. A system that only provides to the individual the rule of law. But MLK jr. never thought black people in the usa didn't warrant advantage, or didn't deserve opportunity , even if unmerited. He figured  that the best way for peace in the most heavily multiracial country that only keeps accepting more new races every day is for all to have advantage , for all to have opportunity.  

@Stefan The native american from modern day canada to argentina was slaughtered cause for the most part, they didn't treat the stranger, the immigrant , the way history proves most people should, with utter disdain or hate. Native Americans never conceived so many will come from across the ocean to these lands. All of us today, forget how many people, whether on their own volition, or enslaved, in the past or today, continually come to the american continent. The large chunks of populations from Europe/Africa/Asia have moved, one way or another,  into the american continent.  The native american couldn't believe so many will come. Remember, the navajo had experience with the spanish before the 13 colonies. New Spain had existed for a long time but the spanish never brought over so many people, ala the mestizo populace who are partially indegenous. Part of the reason haiti had a successful slave revolt was the quantity of black people in that country. The french or spanish never wanted to become "american" so to speak. they wanted resources + money. But the english particularly in the usa, and the portuguese in brazil saw in the immigration idea a new country. The goal wasn't to have natives or blacks under a mulatto or mestizo class like in the spanish or french territories. the idea was to literally make a new home for hordes of people, and that is what the native american never assumed, until too late. Second and you have to mention this, the native american populace was decimated by european diseases. I don't know the number but I am certain the mere presence of europeans killed large chunks of native peoples, but for some reason people today don't want to admit that.  so, unity was lacking but that was not the reason for the decimation. First, a miscomprehension on the immigration that was being planned , especially by the english/portuguese . Second, a biological war that people don't want to own up to. Third, your point, disunity, like whenTecumseh asked all the eastern tribes to unite but they all didn't. And to be honest, like black people in the usa today, most eastern tribes were probably too scared. Fear is powerful, a scared people are not going to sacrifice. 

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@Chevdove

of course black folk warrant more opportunity in the usa, considering we were not only enslaved, but that our leaders successfully guided us to be a people who in majority have bought into the myth of araciality in the usa. I don't mean that black people don't know they are black. but, most black people in the usa, based on their actions, accept the idea of a country where the individual is the standard. The black person alone in a white community for example. Most black people, by their actions, deem that the point of the usa. You don't need your community to defend you. do I concur to that mentality? no. but I comprehend it, and it is part of the reason so many black people push equality cause, as al sharpton said, the nonviolent movement isn't merely about those abusing you to stop but for you to not abuse others. Unfortunately, while most black people have accepted a peaceful agenda in the multiracial collective that is the usa, most nonblacks, have not. 

Yeah, education does need to improve. But part of the problem is , education in a school can't undo culture or heritage learned from the home, part of the home educations. And, the usa has many angry communities where the home isn't happy. the native american home on the reservation isn't dancing , having a great time. The black home in black towns in the south isn't having a party. the white home in white towns across the usa aren't dancing for joy. And as the populations of white asians or black asians, white latinos or black latinos grow, even absent their anglo or african or european cousins, they are dispirited. So a lot of people are unhappy in the usa, always have been. And the narratives about bootstraps and laziness and similar, don't hold water, are lies, but have created resentments over the centuries that a text book or teacher in a class can't switch into determinations. 

Congrats to going to a HBCU. I congratulate you not for the education there, cause education isn't about the school you go to. But I congratulate you for giving your money and rearing time to an institution of learning that hires black:) 

MLK jr said something like this right?

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@Stefan I know, but to be blunt, it isn't like the Black village in the usa is capable of demanding anything. From black people in leadership positions to black people on the street, we tend to talk of the law or absence of the law, not power. so, the pathway of affirmative action was not in a black communal control. 

@ProfDnot just white supremacy, but whites in general. 

well, the black community in humanity is quite large and has way to  many variances internally to achieve a collective defense as you suggest. 

If history says anything, it displayed a haiti in the times of dessalines or an ethiopia in the times of menelik the 2nd mean tribes can achieve for a time security against aggression by whites, when all others have not. 

All will be well