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@daniellegfny I have ignorance as all do, but it isn't a lack of social conditions. You know very well black people, like michaeux,  made films before gone with the wind.  In the same way I will take 100 of the sweetbacks or superfly's over gone with the wind, I will take 100 within our gates, or blood of jesus over gone with the wind. Whatever perceived insults any may have to any of the movies mentioned is not my point. My point was, I will take opportunities for more black artists over fewer. And the examples I gave were before or after gone with the wind. 

5 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 As a black artist I Will take 100 superfly's or sweetback's over 100 gone with the winds. cause even if a black thespian gets an oscar for 100 films in a row, I rather the black producers/black directors/ black writers/higher quantity of black thespians opportunity for 100  films in a row

 

thank you @Delano cosidering how many black people love video games, we need to have more

Inspired into the forum by @ProfD

the purpose of educational institutions in the english colonies to 2022 in the usa. 
You have three avenues.

White european

Indigenous

Black 

White european mass education < meaning schools> was originally for religious teaching. Apprenticeship , was the primary tool for education in the crafts or philosophical arts. The first colleges in the usa had one function, that they all still maintain today, a place where rich white male children can come together and make alliances for the future. ... now going through time, white women gained colleges but they were designed to prepare for wifedom, not working or owning anything. Classes on homelife dominated those schools originally. ... later on whites like woodrow wilson gave the college of new jersey their first academic requirements, which was viewed as radical at that time. That time being the late 1800s early 1900s so.then after world war two, the statian empire through the leadership of FD Roosevelt, made the gi bill so all the male soldiers just finished killing for the empire, were preoccupied with school and financial stipends, not poverty and thoughts of money making through arms. That led to the modern idea of the education system being about self improvement and a way to  create a peaceful or positive multiracial society. 

Indigenous mass education was originally,  absent any native american or indigenous input , meant to eliminate the culture of the native american in the remaining survivors of the native american community. As one navajo poet said, most native american poets don't write in their native tongue, which their traditional culture will allow but , they don't know their traditional culture, and the reason is the schools whites owned , controlled, used to do said purpose. Now in the 1950s, note the time between the first white invading immigrants and the 1950s, native american communities rallied against these institutions, with varying levels of success. I think the last of those schools existed in the 1990s. But, Native americans today, absent money, absent power, absent knowledge are trying to relearn their own culture. A very hard thing to do when everything is against your community. Cause the damage in the past wasn't little. 

Black mass or individual education was banned legally or culturally within the usa or the european colonies that preceded it holistically, until the end of the war between the states. Now the Historical Black Colleges and Universities, most of whom were financed by white religious organizations , had two purposes. Religious indoctrination plus craft teaching. The three key leaders to HBCU's in my view is frederick douglass/booker t washington/web dubois. Each black male had four things in common : each was black, male, had positive relations on a personal level with financially wealthy whites, had a strong belief in the ability of education to empower. To the issue here that last point is massive. The HBCU's eventually taught more than physical crafts and started teaching law or chemistry. But, the black leadership of the day, those three men I spoke of, had an idea that black people absent ownership could educate our way into some positive situation. Over time,the white religious groups stopped funding the schools and many fell. But those who survived have within each of them a similar community of black students, like the white students that originally inhabited in majority and still inhabt in minority, the ivy league schools. A black one percent. 

Now what does this have to do with HBCU's getting more membership, or the role of affirmative action in the educational system? 

The problem is the initial role of educational systems, and how they haven't functionally changed from their original premise. 

I am from NYC, Harlem in particular, I know COlombia University very well. I can tell you with certainty that most whites know colombia is a place to connect to the money. Yeah, they want to learn or study. But, the role of colleges is to connect to the money.
Native americans exist in NY state, the cloest tribe is on the tip of long island, a place called montauk. But it isn't like their language or culture is taught in schools. 
And I will not speak for any of you... but, I persoanlly know a ton of black matriculated people older than me, my generation, younger than me. Civil engineers/chemical engineers/electrical engineers/physicists/mathemeticians yes... and not just recent immegres from jamaica or nigeria, yes, DOSers, that is right , people descended from black people enslaved in the usa. As a teenager, I knew of black kids in bronx science/brooklyn tech/styvesant, as well as in brandeis... educationally, I don't see anything wrong with the black community. But, the issue isn't education. It isn't even entry. Like myself most black people in NYC didn't get affirmative action to go to school. The issue is the role of the educational system to opportunity.  The historical black colleges were not for collections of fiscally wealthy blacks cause too few , I realize when I use absolute words in this forum somebody has to comment I am wrong for being absolute in my words, fiscally wealthy blacks existed. Now today a fiscal black elite exists but they haven't done their part. 

Before I go into their part, my closing point on education education systems in the usa is, they are not for education. They either serve as gated communities for fiscally wealthy children to keep the money tight/are cultural weapons to annihilate or diminish non white or non white european culture/ or they are for religious cultural teachings that don't respect the fiscal capitalistic reality of the usa. And that is ownership is key, not labor. IF you own, you are the slavemaster. Everybody else is either a slave/overseer/crafts person but everybody else works for you, and at your behest, not cause any from everybody else merits it. It is cause you the owner want them.

Now, to the black fiscal elite. 
I don't know how many black people were paid to go to school by a relative who was a financially successful singers/thespians/athlete... but I am 99% certain that said relatives didn't send 90% of their kin to HBCUs. 
So, before the fiscally poor black children are asked to go to HBCU's 99% of the fiscally wealthy or attached to fiscally wealthy black children need to go to HBCU's first. 

And that also provides that investment that is badly needed. 
 

ahh great @ProfD ok , i comprehend:) good

@Troy I Will share... in defense, many entertainers, all phenotypes or demographcs suffer from various forms of addictions. White basketball players plus white singers have suffered and do suffer from addictions. Inspirational story for those who need it but... it isn't a black problem.

@nelsmaybe, I don't think affirmative action's role in black enrollment in colleges is as grand as some think. I know most black people in nyc, and I think most black people,male/female/DOSer/immgrant/teenage/20s/30s/40s/50s, outside NYC go to college absent affirmative action having an influence, and they matriculate and leave and live . For some institutions, especially the ivy leagues it may shift black enrollment, but so what, the usa is full of colleges. If learning is what you want to do , you don't need an ivy league school. Ray BRadbury is a white man, he couldn't afford to go to school, many people today still can't afford it, he went to the library. You know some of his work. LAngston hughes was a college graduate when bradbury was a baby. So... I don't know what more to say. Black kids like all children study. Some have great grades, some don't. this is all children. I don't know what your point about study quality is. I know children in NYC who are white asian or white european  or white latino and are terrible students. Some didn't go to college. Some did. 

@ProfD  great comment, I reply to you at the following url

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One thing is clear, Black people need to create more with other black people, I doubt anyone can speak against that point.

@ProfD any links? do you have a band or you only do solo work? solo work isn't collaborative.

@Stefan I know many artists disagree, but I am certain a photo is a collaborative work between photographer side model.  thank you. At the moment, you are the only one who has presented collaborative work. 

one question @daniellegfny i looked at your webtoon, you don't cite others. You made these works all by yourself?  

you don't cite anyone else but you? 

Intro Part 1 Auntie I Don't Want You To Get Married - 1 | Danielle The Girl From New York: Childhood (webtoons.com)

I went to this page, i see you have an author pseudonym, but I don't see anyone else's name for coverartists or writer so, you did this all yourself? 

6 Magic Cans of Happiness 2: Danielle the Girl From NY (Danielle The Girl From New York Book 3) - Kindle edition by COGGINS, CLARENCE. Children Kindle eBooks @ am*zon.com.

If you did these works yourself, I am happy for you, I wish the works well, but I asked for collaborative work side other black people. 

@daniellegfny As a black artist I Will take 100 superfly's or sweetback's over 100 gone with the winds. cause even if a black thespian gets an oscar for 100 films in a row, I rather the black producers/black directors/ black writers/higher quantity of black thespians opportunity for 100  films in a row

@Chevdove

@ProfD

no problem at all, I asked a simple straightforward question, it shouldn't require that much debate , please go on

@daniellegfny you quoted @Delano but asked me? why?

I concur to no banning, but from my position as an artist. 

But, negativities from all art exists, is your argument that the art of superfly or sweetback which has more black artists in its influence has more negativity than the art of gone with the wind? 

@ProfD   great point, OWnership is the key, the usa financially is based on ownership, not labor, 

@Troy great point, never assume, but alot of white artis make quality work, so even if black financial dominance in entertainment will yeild more commercialty, it will also yield more quality work as well

@nels everyone can answer the question, it has one of two possible answers. Nothing or at least one thing. 

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@Stefan I concur, i am neutral to the law, but it is clearly media worthy for driving the frictions

@Stefan yes I know, I told some commentors already that the law only applies to voting in nyc, so it isn't a state level or federal level right in any way. and it demands non sentencing. I tried to explain all of that in the original post but I failed

Weeksville asks from the depths of history to every black person, what have you created with other black people most recently? 

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All for the month of January SHawn Alleyen,  a black artists is doing an erotic series, enjoy

links to prior days are in each post so click and ride the train:) 

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Art from GDBEE a black artist I have followed for a long time, enjoy 

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@daniellegfnyfair enough,  to your first/second/third points ... I must say I don't concur or support all of what you say, but fair enough

To your 4th point, the usa is an empire, it has been meddling negatively in the affairs of other countries before it had the most potent military among human governments. 

Sequentially, most people outside the usa, I don't see as liking the usa. I have travelled outside the american continent. I find most people want the money the usa has or openly dislike the place. It isn't a liking. My point is, your correct, they don't comprehend the usa, but I want to go further, they don't want to comprehend the usa, because they don't like the usa. The usa for many of these people is the enemy. An enemy they have to live with in the same way, the colonies of england/france/spain/holland in africa or asia had to live with england/france/spain/holland. An enemy that earned the title of enemy. And that concept extends to the black populaces in the american continent < canada to argentina> . You know the history. Most black people know the history. Our forebears, were immigrants, but they were not willing immigrants. Our forebears were dragged to this place by whites. That is the source of the difficulty you wrote of. An difficulty well earned. Many black people have come to positive terms with the usa/brasil, but I think most black people know our forebears were forced here when the usa was colonies of britian, when brazil was a colony of portugal, and were still being forced when the usa was free from britian or brasil was free from portugal. And as you said, for you and many black people like you, the usa's continual journey toward what you call peace or prosperity is embraced with love, caring, community. But, my point is, many black people are opposed to that and the anger or hatred that is well earned to the usa is a real thing, and I can accept black people who do either or. 

@daniellegfny In defense, many black people don't like superfly or sweetback. I can comprehend why they didn't, they do not, and they will not. 

Danielle, I know you know that for a time our forebears were enslaved to whites. But, doesn't that mean black people have the freedom to interpret the usa as they want? MAny of our forebears didn't want to be part of this country. I am not saying all. But no one can deny many black people forced from their home an ocean away, didn't want the trip, and died not getting what they wanted. Freedom from white people/the colonies of britian or the usa that came after it. So, in modernity, I don't see why any of us have a problem with some black people having an extremely different opinion to the arts , let alone anything else, when it isn't like our forebears planned for us to be here. 

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@daniellegfny I would had said HAttie... going along to your thinking, Clark Gable, a white man,  was going to boycott the oscars, but hattie mcdaniel said no.

As well as McDaniel's relatively well known quote saying, she will rather play a maid than be one.  

But, I can comprehend why many black people in the past detested,  or now detest, or will detest the character hattie mcdaniel portrayed. The question of culture wars in art, is always about the communities in power side the communities not in power and the culture either has which is rarely the same.

@daniellegfny just for the record, eric adams signed a bill into law that the city council of nyc set up and agreed to in majority. the city council of nyc has all races in its membership. Are you suggesting Eric Adams should had not signed the city council passed bill into law? Eric Adams himself said that he was against it originally , and there is proof to his statement online. so... He changed his mind, isn't that a sign of self awareness from an individual? 

I have more questions for you, you say the black community works against self interest but this issue has supporters plus detractors in the black community. I don't see this issue as one that has an advantage in either camp. The comments in this post prove many black people are against this plus many blak people are supporters of it. Are you suggesting all black people need to be against this? I don't know anything in this world that gets all support or detraction. 

I first need you to explain how you define being an American. in my experience, people do not have the same idea or viewpoint on what it means to be American in the USA. I am not suggesting your definition will be right or wrong but I need you to clarify how you see being american before I can comprehend on how to approach your assertion to an anti american narrative. 

THis law in one city represents a desire to recreate the USA. I thought laws at their core represented change, not necessarily good or bad , wanted or unwanted, but change. 

In my view of history the constitution exists cause the articles became unsatisfactory.  EXcellent point, many have not sworn allegiance. It says alot that the people you refer to as having an anti american agenda don't feel the desire to swear allegiance. An old saying exist, the king who asks for loyalty hasn't earned it. Maybe the usa needs to be a better job in earning allegiance? 

When was the USA stabilized in your opinion? 

How are you certain what will happen in the future? 

@nelsfair enough but my point is about the dialog between any multitude online, anywhere online. When someone says to another everything you say I dismiss. You are correct to say it is known but it ends the dialog and for me, i see these spaces as places as dialog. None of the people in commenting in this post know each other , at least I don't know any of you, we are not friends, so if someone dismisses my words, that is fine, no problem, but it culminates in the end of dialog, which they can do at any time anyway. I am on here to debate, discuss, not gain friends. Thus no multilog can get hot, as you say. 

I ask you what I was asked, what I answer in the post. What films do not merit being viewed today based on the culture within?
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@Stefan Your right, I made an absolute statement. I meant most, not all. And the proof is in elected officials themselves. And they validate the majority claim that is my intention. thank you for your comment. I am free to comment to something you state at any time as you are in likewise. 

@nels  not hot at all, when someone says they will dismiss everything another says, and then suggest their position has no value, it all culminates to a finished dialog between the two. The one who dismisses says they have nothing to say anymore, it doesn't mean the other does not. 

@Chevdove One point, about the support for said law in nyc. you have to comprehend, nyc has a larger percentage of recent immigres than any other city in the usa by a wide margin. So you have to comprehend, most city councils in the usa don't have any interest for a law like this, but nyc is a unique city, not just in size, but its makeup. 

For example, washington d.c. itself has a large black population, who are in the descendent of enslaved mold, but the virginia counties outside washington d.c. are filled with immigrants, but many of these immigrants are financially above the immigrants who are in nyc , who are usually from more financially poorer means. then you look at a los angeles. los angeles is the second largest city in the usa, but the mexican populace in los angeles is a majority of the latin american community and they tend to be very wary of recent immigrants, while nyc's latin american populace is the most multigeographic of a latin american communit in the usa, you have colombians/nicaraguant/s paraguayans/peruvians/ et cetera, the mix means less a singular focus as in los angeles and the asian community in nyc is also not led by the chinese american community in the way los angeles has a huge chinese american community that dictates more and is less prone to this law. so.. the uniqueness of nyc's makeup has a role to play in this.   

@nels rough and beautiful, the trick to nyc,is it depends on who you are in the city, if you are living in the sky the air is beautiful , the sun is lovely, if you are living underneath the sewers, times can be quite difficult, but nyc has always been a microcosm of the usa, sequentially, the haves and the have nots in one city. with every possible zone in between. I have told people before, my clan has been in nyc for a long time, it never was hell, and many times was nice, as well as many times sour. ... maybe the lesson nyc needs to teach the usa is to stop trying to be iddylic, cause neither warrant that.

@Chevdove the whole in a city of an unknown number of people. Comprehend one of the chinese mafias, i think the tong, had put so many illegal immigrants in a tenement in chinatown that they got caught by health officials, not the nypd, who were probably paid off anyway. They had in one tenement on average thirty people in a room. You used the term, the whole.. I have no idea the number of people in nyc.  I know it is far more than the listed ceiling of 9 million. What is my point? if you want a law to reflect the whole in nyc, that will require people in government nyc does not have. Community leaders that nyc does not have. business owners that nyc does not have. 

@Stefan stefan!! what do you think being in government is for?   the entire elected class of the usa is about giving jobs to your kin. Why do you think so many rockefellers and kennedys are spread throughout the government of the usa? PRivate sector jobs or opportunities of ownership come and go but governments are forever, most job security in the world, when you have the most powerful military in humanity at the moment. All elected officials, help their kin get in, that is the whole point. Adams clearly is an amateur at doing it with pananche, but he was president of a borough and a state senator and didn't show much pananche then so why now as mayor. remember, he didn't compaign on being the leader of all leaders or some guiding light. his selling point wasn't effective government. he had one campaign motto, make the streets safer. Which can be rephrased to, nypd growth. Everything else is a candy store for him. He will not say that, but that is the reality.

@nels thank you