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@Stefan The native american from modern day canada to argentina was slaughtered cause for the most part, they didn't treat the stranger, the immigrant , the way history proves most people should, with utter disdain or hate. Native Americans never conceived so many will come from across the ocean to these lands. All of us today, forget how many people, whether on their own volition, or enslaved, in the past or today, continually come to the american continent. The large chunks of populations from Europe/Africa/Asia have moved, one way or another,  into the american continent.  The native american couldn't believe so many will come. Remember, the navajo had experience with the spanish before the 13 colonies. New Spain had existed for a long time but the spanish never brought over so many people, ala the mestizo populace who are partially indegenous. Part of the reason haiti had a successful slave revolt was the quantity of black people in that country. The french or spanish never wanted to become "american" so to speak. they wanted resources + money. But the english particularly in the usa, and the portuguese in brazil saw in the immigration idea a new country. The goal wasn't to have natives or blacks under a mulatto or mestizo class like in the spanish or french territories. the idea was to literally make a new home for hordes of people, and that is what the native american never assumed, until too late. Second and you have to mention this, the native american populace was decimated by european diseases. I don't know the number but I am certain the mere presence of europeans killed large chunks of native peoples, but for some reason people today don't want to admit that.  so, unity was lacking but that was not the reason for the decimation. First, a miscomprehension on the immigration that was being planned , especially by the english/portuguese . Second, a biological war that people don't want to own up to. Third, your point, disunity, like whenTecumseh asked all the eastern tribes to unite but they all didn't. And to be honest, like black people in the usa today, most eastern tribes were probably too scared. Fear is powerful, a scared people are not going to sacrifice. 

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of course black folk warrant more opportunity in the usa, considering we were not only enslaved, but that our leaders successfully guided us to be a people who in majority have bought into the myth of araciality in the usa. I don't mean that black people don't know they are black. but, most black people in the usa, based on their actions, accept the idea of a country where the individual is the standard. The black person alone in a white community for example. Most black people, by their actions, deem that the point of the usa. You don't need your community to defend you. do I concur to that mentality? no. but I comprehend it, and it is part of the reason so many black people push equality cause, as al sharpton said, the nonviolent movement isn't merely about those abusing you to stop but for you to not abuse others. Unfortunately, while most black people have accepted a peaceful agenda in the multiracial collective that is the usa, most nonblacks, have not. 

Yeah, education does need to improve. But part of the problem is , education in a school can't undo culture or heritage learned from the home, part of the home educations. And, the usa has many angry communities where the home isn't happy. the native american home on the reservation isn't dancing , having a great time. The black home in black towns in the south isn't having a party. the white home in white towns across the usa aren't dancing for joy. And as the populations of white asians or black asians, white latinos or black latinos grow, even absent their anglo or african or european cousins, they are dispirited. So a lot of people are unhappy in the usa, always have been. And the narratives about bootstraps and laziness and similar, don't hold water, are lies, but have created resentments over the centuries that a text book or teacher in a class can't switch into determinations. 

Congrats to going to a HBCU. I congratulate you not for the education there, cause education isn't about the school you go to. But I congratulate you for giving your money and rearing time to an institution of learning that hires black:) 

MLK jr said something like this right?

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@Stefan I know, but to be blunt, it isn't like the Black village in the usa is capable of demanding anything. From black people in leadership positions to black people on the street, we tend to talk of the law or absence of the law, not power. so, the pathway of affirmative action was not in a black communal control. 

@ProfDnot just white supremacy, but whites in general. 

well, the black community in humanity is quite large and has way to  many variances internally to achieve a collective defense as you suggest. 

If history says anything, it displayed a haiti in the times of dessalines or an ethiopia in the times of menelik the 2nd mean tribes can achieve for a time security against aggression by whites, when all others have not. 

All will be well

thanks for sharing, will share

I will try to see if he has a website or something

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@Delano I didn't say anything you comprehended. My apologies.

@Stefan I personally agree, but I also think Black people should do what they want. Our forebears were enslaved completely for a long time , to a another phenotypical race. Rightly or wrongly, functionally or dysfunctionally:) our forebears in the usa, chose the path of total individual nonviolent freedom. That to me is what Frederick Douglass plus the Black churches  wanted. I disagree with his choice or their choice but because of what he and the Black churches chose to do at an important time for Black people in the usa, Black people in the usa have done it all outside of killing another people and taking their land or enslaving a whole other people. We tried to be white, tried to go back to africa, tried to be believers in the constitutions premise, tried to be militant, tried and currently try to do a little of various things.  Some things not so nice to other black people. But, it is alright. 

@Delano true, disagreement does not equal miscomprehension but both can exist simultaneously.

I have learned that some people can't learn to fish, but they still don't want to starve. 

No I don't. I think the black village in the usa is continuing what its leaders started over 150 years ago. And it is ok. KArin JEan Pierre like Eric Adams is a modern Black leader. Are they the quality of Fannie Lou Hamer plus Malcolm?   no, but no village gets lucky enough to have legendary leadership all the time. The global Black village has many different strategies being exhibited as we debate. All have strengths, all have weaknesses. And the systems in the future , whether we know them now or we don't, will have strengths and weaknesses. The hope I have is Black people everywhere are able to find themselves where they are most comfortable. Considering Black people have not killed entire communities of other people and taken all their land or resources or used whole communities of other people for cruel unfair profit or cultural ego. I think all black people deserve to have access to a strategy that works for them. I end with positivity, I am glad you and Mel have your P2P group strategy. I hope it works well for you both and all those in it, aside you. 

@Mel Hopkins I have never said the black village in the usa or the thirteen colonies was great. I have never said that. Nor do I have any nostalgia for any moment of USA history or the 13 colonies period for that matter. You may be surprised but the one word is kind, not great. And the Black village in the usa is still kind. I think Black women in particular, outside the near magical native american village, have eaten more crow than anyone, in the usa at least. 

Movements run over those who exists in the space the movement wants to go who don't want the movement there. As I said to a Black militant once privately, who was angered at Obama. The Black village has many tribes, always has, always will. Don't be angry at another tribes success. Focus on what your tribe needs and give good blessings to the other tribes. 

@Stefan just for the record, I didn't share this as someone who is personally invested in any crypto. I just know people who are and I know people in this community who are. so I shared. but I want it known I am not an investor in crypto and I have offline spoken against crypto to my friends, some of whom are deeply involved.

I don't share cause I always concur or agree with. I share Black cause the black community is internally multiracial and I want all of the races in the Black community to grow.

@Troy I concur to your point about crypto not being for the general populace. But I use more statistics. During the sars -cov-2 the white man admitted that circa 70% of children in the poor sections of los angeles didn't have internet for the online school thing. A similar number the white man stated for the entire continent of africa, which the white man also states has the quickest growing quantity of under twenties in humanity. The internet, all the financial management schemes touted all the time, are clearly not for the general populous in the usa or on earth with such numbers. 

@ProfDyes, the greatest lesson in monopoly is what happens when a player has a little money , owns no lands, and all lands are sold, and is still playing:) 

In defense, ever since the dutch started their stock market, the white community has always created radical financial markets to sucker those who think they can get lucky. The slot machine is a well known device by know and yet, still does a lot of damage to personal accounts. Fiscally wealthy whites comprehend all others, including poor whites, will always have many who will gamble even knowing the odds is bad, crypto is merely one of many. Why do people keep playing monopoly when they are clearly finished:) 

@Delano truth. but, people will always risk cause the truth is, .001 percent risk and win, that is the genius of stock markets, card tables at macau, crypto, many people know, if you are not willing to kill somebody for their wealth or enslave somebody for their labor, then absent those sturdier schemes to get rich quick, you have to gamble to get quick and ...

@Mel Hopkinsisntitutions are the symbols of a communities strength. 

As a computer engineer I have experience with peer to peer networks, peer to peer networks by default are individual collections. They are very loose and while they can create in a quick amount of time utility their great weakness is the lack of a center. Which is the symbol of community. 

Black is a phenotypical race, not an ancestry race, like german american, but you are correct in population numbers. it is racially fair to compare to black americans to white americans but ok. 

Mel I comprehend the strategy you refer to. Maybe you think I don't. You or @Delano I don't think comprehend my point. I think the black community in the usa at the time of the war between the states was being led by black leaders to be what it is now. That was why Frederick Douglass pushed for black integration to whites. You speak of enslaved africans but frederick douglass despised the back to africa movement or even black people leaving the usa. His viewpoint is what you consider modern.  I think if you back track my comments in this group they will confirm I have said this many times. but the end result of that, can not deliver a collective freedom for a majority of black people in the usa. And I must add, black communities in different countries have different situations. the usa is not the place for the kind of communalism that many black people in the usa clearly want or need. I am not knocking your stated strategy but I am opposing the idea that said strategy is an improvement as much as an eventuality based on the history of the black community.

@ProfD infrastructure and power... I think we black people don't like to say power. Everything with whites isn't about infrastructure, it is about power. what do i own, if I own more than you and you can't take it, that is power. even if I make mistakes, even if I treat you different or better, who owns more and who can take it? 

@ProfD yes, and you answered perfectly, My reply is not a condemnation of your answer, which you seem to suggest. TO a country like Nigeria or Jamaica I have nothing to say about your definition of the goal. BUT, the USA is not Nigeria or Jamaica. 

I am not dissecting your definition. I am not debating if it can be applied. I am debating one thing, if it can be applied in the usa. . I think it is fair to ask can that destination be achieved in a country like the usa that is not only black people. What about the native american? based on how you define the goal for black people in the usa, if the native american wants the same freedom and whites want the same freedom <which of course they do > then all of these peoples can't have the same goal in one space. I am not talking about process but the ability of the usa as a multiracial society to provide freedoms for all its races. 

I argue, the usa can't allow all races to have freedom as you define freedom for the black community. That isn't an insult to your point merely a continuation of discussion

I apologize, if I poorly move on to my centerpoint of discussion

@Mel Hopkins I again, communicate poorly, my point isn't that strong people lead themselves. I agree partially to @Delano because, one can thrive and their community not thrive. I think the black community in the usa is exhibit A of a community where individuals thrive but the community rottens. from the end of the war between the states to today, it can be argued, black individuals have thrived as presidents/supreme court jusitces, billionaires, millionaires, but the black communities black churches/historical black colleges, negro leagues, institutions are clearly less than in the past, the nation of islam as well..., every single black organization gets weaker over time in the usa not stronger. so... the strong individuals, if you judge strength by financial success or position in government,  are leading themselves, but that is not making a great black community in the usa. 

I communicated very poorly again, I have learned through personal experience , that no heritage ever dies, it becomes small somestimes, sometimes it becomes really large, but it never dies completely. My point is that the black community in the usa since the war between the states has never been able to settle itself and thus through white negative influence <reconstruction/kkk/jim crow/big city governments during white flight> or constant new groups of black people coming in everywhere <from jamaica/haiti/trinidad/nigeria/ghana/south africa/various places in europe/various places in south america/ various places in asia> the black community in the past or now doesn't have enough time to find a center, cause new black groups or new white negative influences are always coming. The DOSers dislike of so many Black modern immigrant groups, or vice versa,  is my proof. 

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@Delano yes, the old saying, strong people lead themselves... history proves that isn't a lie but isn't the truth either. 

A person can lead themselves and be strong and not help their own community, especially in the usa. I think many black people have been strong in the usa post war between the states, they have led themselves to individual profit. Now does that mean the black community has improved since the war between the states, well...

@ProfD I quote you

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Independently capable of generating  and sustaining wealth in all realms (mental, physical and spiritual). 

 

Complete autonomy and self-sufficiency in all areas of human activity. 

If that is the destination, I will firmly say that can't happen in the usa for the black community, can it? complete autonomy or self sufficiency, in the usa for the black community demands black people control natural resources and have the militaristic means to defend said resources. Can that actually happen in the usa ? In another country, especially a black one, meaning has mostly black people in it, possibilities exist. but in the usa, this can't happen right? 

I may comprehend you wrong, but I don't see that level of autonomy of self sufficiency for the black community in the usa. where am I miscomprehending you?

@Mel Hopkins the black community in the usa has changed right? it has gone through multiple phases since the end of the war between the states right? the modern black community has more members with a multiphenotypical background, has more members from a recent immigration standpoint, these factors are huge. the black community in the usa in the 1960s didn't have so many recent immigrants from the islands/africa/asia/south america/europe as today. and the black community circa 1865 was the most monolithic culturally/financially/heritagewise than ever after. I think the demography of the black community has changed alot in a relative short time. And I want to add having friends who came as children to the usa from places in africa, clan members who saw how black people immigrating from the caribbean were treated in the black community in the early 1900s , that the black community in the usa was forced to accept alot of new members without its want, to be blunt. Look at the white community in the usa. Even though white jews or catholics have been in the usa from the 13 colonies era, it took a very long time for the white protestants to truly embrace white jews or white catholics. Whereas in the black community, the impotency of the black community meant new black folk from latin america, from africa, from asia, had no communal restriction from Black DOSers anywhere near what white protestants gave white jews or catholics. So I concur about new ways but the black community in the usa hasn't had time to settle as a community since the war between the states and that can be problematic when you are trying to organize. 

@ProfDyes but the reason why all black wealth requires a white approval or cooperation in modernity stems from the past when all but haiti or ethiopia among black countries wasn't controlled by a white empire. so white wealth comes from empire. Black people never talk about empire so... 

@ProfD your right, over 150 years since the end of the war between the states, means the black community in the usa had time. But, the problem is the black leadership in the usa has never guided the black community to be communal. Many Black people will say, the NAACP  or the panthers or the nation of islam or the black soldiers from World war I or the Garveyites or the Historical Black colleges or the black church all fought for communal strength. but , beyond who financed some of those organizations or their true intention, I argue that all of them, in cheap retrospect, had strategies that could only result in individual growth. 

I can use the harlem rens of harlem nyc as an example. 

The black man who financed them, was their owner. But, if he would had succeeded in his goal of the Rens. THey would be an NBA team today. What is the problem? 

At the end of the day, even though the HArlem Rens played in harlem. The renaissance ballroom, now destroyed, that existed next to the abyssinian baptist church, was owned for most of its history by Black people. Was the best plan for a fiscally rich black person to own a team in the predecessor of the modern NBA, or was it to create a black basketball league side other fiscally rich black people?

My point, it isn't merely consumerism. It is the strategy of Black people who are not beholden to white money like the average black person. They historically don't utilize their wealth to empower the black community, they use it to empower themselves, sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail. but how many of them have plans that actually involve empowering the black community. And the sport world is a prime example. 

Why are black women not the owners of any WNBA team? why not? are black women in the usa financially unable? the answer is no. but Black women with money didn't seem interested in owning multiple wnba teams. so... that is their choice. but, that choice doesn't empower the black community.

@Stefan yeah, sadly, the race of lawyers in the usa has a poor record of warranting trust by fiscally poor people. Every single black athlete that has severed the agent cord did it after they gained money. I don't think that is an accident. 

@Delano well, I said ask/demand. The point is not about weakness or strength but strategy. 

I think history shows from frederick Douglass to today, the Black community in the usa is led by leaders who want to be nonviolent or positively integrate to nonblacks. They guided the black community in the usa to be a community of individuals. the problem is, most black people in the usa did and do not want that and moreover, have not handled what that means. 

@ProfD one question, can you describe what a liberated black people in the usa look like? I am not refuting your statement, about what will not influence liberation for black people in the usa, but how do you define said liberation? Note I am not asking about the process or the path, I am asking about how you define the end.

@Delano for the record, I am not opposing the Black community in the USA , not the world or another country but the USA , being a set of individuals. But the only problem is, a community of individuals can't then ask/demand for collective or communal strength. 

@ProfD you said 

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Just pay a lawyer to make sure the paperwork is straight. 

So, when the athlete is 14 and the agent is hooking them in, giving them and their clan things, cause the parents are flat broke, no bank account, no job, no money, you can accept the agent then but the parents or the player or both together, need to plan to severe later? right? 

@Stefan you said

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This is likely because many do not know how. 

Can you also include have the money to do it? Agents hook athletes and their clans in as teenagers in the usa, and usally the parents are flat broke. And money matters in the usa.

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@Delano black people with money have existed in the usa when it was colonies of the british empire. Black people with money are not more profitable than white people with money but have slowly grown , without enslaving or murdering other peoples for their land. 

The question is, is the goal of the black community ins the usa to have communal strength or to be a collection of individuals? 

I can go on a rant about sport agents or media agents, in the music industry or fashion industry for example, and how they destroy people. But, what say you? is it needed?

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@ProfD+ @Troy thanks for replying or your dialog.