richardmurray
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nice entries @Pioneer1
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@Dee Miller that is your song, woman to man, but what about man to woman and what about duet?
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You ask is it a sin, and that is a false question. a sin is when something is false. If people are in a polygamous relationship then it isn't a sin. And I exclude religious queries as my reply only deals to the secular. The question is, is it a problem. And the answer to that isn't complicated. The key is freedom. Is this freely being done? Are three or more people engaging themselves absent coercion or trickery? if so then , no problem. It may not be a common act. but again, commonality or religious legitimacy aren't issues.
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What can Africa do to help itself ? Maame Dede Williams ask.
I provide my answer in the article, free to comment, but please share
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but @ProfD oscar micheaux gained a relative fortune that allowed him to make his movies based on exodusting. you say it was poorly planned and looslely organized, I rather say it was unsupported by most black leaders of the day. That is my point. Black leaders have guided the black community to the current situation. A situation not of black power but black membership in a multiracial power usa where all peoples, including whites, are learning in a rough way how to live among each other peacefully or prosperously through an individual mantra.
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@Pioneer1 true history
no I am thankful I didn't either. but I am glad you at least didn't have too many nights like that. I feel children need to be happier not sadder. Too many black adults I hear preach the trial of hardship on black children like a smiling adult is supposed to arrive after a childhood of pains.
we always came back... I am glad we did too:)
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@Pioneer1 the exoduster movement was in the usa. I didn't mean to suggest leaving the usa. Even though I have publicly stated I support garveyism.
You said you wanted black people to make and enforce our own laws. the exoduster movement was a set of black people who chose to move into the western states circa war between the states to make black towns where black people ruled in the usa. But Frederick Douglass/ Black Churches, Black elected officials in places like south carolina all opposed the exoduster movement for various reasons. So it didn't get the kind of traction it needed. But it wasn't black laziness or wanting white patronage, it was black leaders, undoubted black leaders, in a key moment that opposed the exoduster movement.
I oppose your view, I think most black people have followed the black leaders. Frederick douglass wanted integration, black people integrated. the churches wanted non violence, black people are mostly non violent. Don't tell me black people don't have the right to not have murderers when the white community in the usa has never stopped murdering since they came to these shores. The problem is, integration doesn't lead to the changes people think,. In human history this is fact. Black people in south africa/irish in england/ koreans in japan , oppressed people never change the systems of their oppressors being in them. If you know of a historic example do tell. Non violence and following the law isn't going to protect you from being murdered or killed. But in defense, look at the quantity of black people fiscally wealthy , happy in the USA. I say that the majority of black leaders guidance in the past in the usa has bore fruit. Again, was it whites that told douglass to oppose exodusters or immigrating movements out of the usa to various locals? it wasn't. Was it whites who told W.E.B. Dubois to testify against garvey? Was it whites who told black soldiers in world war I or II to make extra efforts in the usa, as if they needed to prove something in the usa? Black leaders made their choices and black people followed. I don't blame the black populous for being led not as good as it could had been. And even the individual mantra which many black leaders place on the community has one great flaw. tens of millions of people do not share one mind and if each is an individual then a leader is a fool to think they can profess individualism and bootstraps to all the flock but then demand they all think like the leader. The leader is fooling themselves if they think that.
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Pioneer made a quote in another post
QuoteIf we really want to change the practices of law enforcement then we need to do 2 things:
1. Make OUR OWN laws2. Enforcement OURSELVES with our own specially trained enforcers.
Until we stop relying on White folks to do everything for us including make the policies and govern us....and take the initiative to feed, clothe, and govern ourselves....the problem will continue.
The next best thing is to join the existing law enforcement agencies and try to rise as high as we can through the ranks so that we'll have some sort of power and influence over their behavior and policies.
Pioneer's quote delivers a present, modern, sense in the very forum we communicate in. Pioneer stated a goal that is a larger sense of black potency or ownership but what pioneer state secondarily is the current activity of many ,and I say most, black people in the usa. Sequentially, regardless of other intentions, joining into white organizations can only lead to a peaceful coexistence to whites in the usa as the end goal.
You say reparations, profd says black self rule, but what black leaders guide most black people to do is merely integration to create peaceful multiracial participation into the usa, rightly or wrongly.
Getting reparations anywhere near warranted or a measure of self rule for a majority of black people can not occur through integrated participation side whites in organizations in the usa.
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If we really want to change the practices of law enforcement then we need to do 2 things:
1. Make OUR OWN laws2. Enforcement OURSELVES with our own specially trained enforcers.
I have a question, for clarity. Are you saying the Black American community in the USA needs to 1) make our own laws 2) enforce said laws ourselves?
If the answer to the prior question is no, then please clarify where or the location.
If the answer to the prior question is yes. I ask cause isn't that a very challenging goal? The USA has many non Black people. nothing is impossible but your goal is quite the challenge , i must admit. It would had been better if more black people adopted the exoduster movement in the past for your stated goal.
QuoteThe next best thing is to join the existing law enforcement agencies and try to rise as high as we can through the ranks so that we'll have some sort of power and influence over their behavior and policies.
What you state Pioneer has been the strategy by the majority of black leaders since frederick douglass in the usa. In the end, I argue what you call the next best thing has been and is the primary thing for black people in the usa, rightly or wrongly.
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I guess my section of harlem growing up as a child was different. but in defense the black community of harlem in manhattan is significantly older than a number of black communities in nyc, especially queens or brooklyn, or in other major cities.
The following are the differences. The first two points we are on in the same but the following are differences, between experiences.
Quote-The family sitting around by candle light eating dinner after the power was cut.
Come on, if you grew up in the hood you CAN relate to that...lol
-How the neighbors would watch your home while you were away on vacation reminds me of how they used to do when I was a kid. I don't recall anyone else putting that in a film or even on television
-There was a scene I'd never forget how when the family was leaving to go down South everybody on the block was waving them good bye as they were driving off. That's EXACTLY what they used to do on our block when a family would take a trip out of town. Everybody outside who saw you pull off would wave and bid you a good trip with love and smiles and promised to watch your house while yall were gone.
-How the little girl was hallucinating about her mother still being alive when she woke up and heard her father cleaning the stove.
Something most children who lost a parent can relate to.
-I can't forget all of the sisters, brothers, and cousins crowded together in a little room watching Soul Train.
Reminded me of my family every time we went over relatives houses...lol.I never ate by candlelight as a child.
More people have had issues with crime in this section of harlem since white people became the majority. As a kid , my section of harlem was tranquil really.
I went down south many times, but no one waved us away.
I was fortunate to not lose either parent as a child.
My blood kin lived all over, some in new jersey, some in various southern states, georgia/tennessee/et cetera so we didn't have those kinds of mass gatherings. And I never watched soul train till teenage.
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thanks:) @Dee Miller
When you used at the end of your presented segment, "free at last , thank god almighty i am free at last " and I recalled mlk jr's speech, i remember him referring to speaking of the negro spiritual in the line immediately before the closing, so I thought why not use a negro spiritual to design my next reply:) ... for the record I am not christian. If anyone suggest anything to me from this.
The title of the negro spiritual i used as a reference is : "There is a balm in gilead" I think you can see what I used.
There is a balm in Gilead
To make the wounded whole;
There is a balm in Gilead
To heal the sin-sick soul.Some times I feel discouraged,
And think my work’s in vain,
But then the Holy Spirit
Revives my soul again.If you cannot sing like angels,
If you can’t preach like Paul,
You can tell the love of Jesus,
And say He died for all.
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you're right in that many AfroAmericans are satisfied in having a relatively peaceful coexistence with white folks.
I daresay, without proof, more than many, but most. and that matters because when you say
QuoteI've never felt that a civil arrangement with white folks should be the end goal of AfroAmericans.
if most black americans are looking for an end goal as a civil arrangement to whites or all others in the usa, then you are part of a minority in the black community in the usa.
QuoteAmerica owes a debt to AfroAmericans for its sin of slavery. Reparations have not been paid.
AfroAmericans have not unified, codified and come up with an agenda to collect reparations. That should be our 1st order of business.
Reparations used to be what most black americans wanted, I don't think that is the truth today. I can be wrong. I have no way to prove this. But if I am correct, then the goal of reparations doesn't have enough support in the black community itself.
QuoteUnfortunately, too many AfroAmericans are satisfied with the status quo. So, we're in this holding pattern.
but remember one thing that is very important , that Black Americans don't say enough. We, Blacks in the USA, put ourselves on this path. Our leaders in the USA guided us this way, rightly or wrongly. And we all know from the multilogs within the black church leadership at the end of the war between the states, to the thoughts or view between Black soldiers during the commonly called world war one, to the various transcriptions or letters in the nation of islam or the southern black christian leadership conference that black leaders debated on the agenda and rightly or wrongly, the end of the debates ended with civil union side all in the usa over other ideas, including reparations, as the goal for black people in the usa. So, it may be unfortunate, but black people planned this:) this isn't about what power.
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This one took a structure from a relative well known poem, can you figure it out?
QuoteArticle VII – The Angry Black Woman - Free at Last!
Sure, outwardly, at times, I display that of an Angry Black Woman because society has shit on me one too many times, but I have, finally, learned to lift my head, pick my afro, love my lips, accept my hips, and oil my beautiful black skin so it shimmers in delight while looking society straight in the eye and saying, ‘It’s not me, it’s you!’
Proud to say that I, no longer, own your issues, but rather recognize your obsession with me. Try, acceptance…I hear love goes a long way! Free at last - Thank GOD almighty, I am free at last!!
I am an angry black woman
against storms made from scorn
I am an angry black woman
so I will live untorn
Sometimes I drop my head, or
shame a part of myself
But then the love from me, lord!
Revive me from my delf
I took inspiration from your ending quote and used a negro spiritual to derive the structure of this, do you know the spiritual?:) @Dee Miller
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No doubt, AfroAmericans have made significant progress since the days of our past leaders.
Well the question is progress to what? Again, the goal matters. One of the problems with many human movements throughout all humanity is people all to often don't see the goal they are reaching for over the journey. Look at Russia. I was a child, but I remember hoopla over the end of the USSR. Later as a teen I read things. As an adult I have seen Russia go through its changes from a distance as an unconcerned observer. But it is a lesson. The russian people who fled russia during the evil soviet years, still haven't returned but supported russians who wanted to make a version of the monarchic days in russia and that is what happened. Yeah, the oppression of the soviets is gone and russia is in a version of the czarist days with an american stylistic visage. But that is what the goal was. What is the progress toward in the black community in the usa?
QuoteWe have been on a form of auto-pilot since the last of our leadership was assassinated.
yes, because the goal hasn't changed. the goal is the same that frederick championed over 150 years ago, peaceful coexistence sides whites in the usa. Yeah, a marcus garvey/fannie lou hamer/malcolm x/shirley chisholm happen but they are all outcast in that something about them leads to a goal different than what frederick douglass and most black leaders: booker t washington/w.e.b. dubois the younger/ the black club women of church/the mlk jr/the nation of islam/ fred hampton/the southern black christian leadership conference/jesse jackson/maxine waters/al sharpton/robert johnson/oprah winfrey/ michael jordan/barrack obama side michelle obama/hakeem jeffries/lebron james/ or similar all lead to peaceful coexistence side whites in the usa.
QuoteIMO, AfroAmericans still do not have a code or agenda nor any current leadership to champion it.
Yes,the agenda is as it was set at the end of the war between the states, peaceful coexistence between blacks side all in the usa. That demands a code of nonviolence to whites regardless of white activity/participation in white organizations even styming black ones/forgiveness to whites even it isn't warranted/allegiance to the usa. And black people in the usa in majority have done that.
QuoteThere are AfroAmerican grassroots organizations, churches, NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, etc.
Yet, none of these institutions seem to be interested in dismantling the system of racism white supremacy.
To finalize, they are interested in ending the system of white supremacy through reaching the goal of peaceful multiracial coexistence in the usa. Which as the center of the current global empire has global implications.
In conclusion
I said in this forum before and I repeat with no hesitancy, I think Frederick Douglass was wrong and his agenda implemented by latter leaders has cost black people in the usa their lives or led to their suffering at the hands of whites with no escape, and influenced the black communities outside the usa negatively. But, the point is the black community in the usa has an agenda, has organizations that follow it with its code. It is a challenge cause it is in spite of what black people in the usa in majority wanted, but that is the situation. And it has its levels or forms of success.
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1) AfroAmericans do not have leadership.
1)All people's have leadership profd, all peoples, the question is how successful is that leadership and humanity proves it is a range, from those who seem to have it all together, who of course do not, to those who seem to have nothing, who of course do not either.
Black Americans have leadership, and I argue, the Black American community in the usa has reflected the goals of many Black American leaders in the past ala frederick douglass or mlk jr.
Quote2) AfroAmericans do not have a unified infrastructure in place.
2) true, Black Americans don't have a unified structure and I add have not made efforts to make one in the usa at least , which does coincide with the wishes or beliefs of frederick douglass.
Quote3) Right now, I'm not aware of any strong Black leader(s) of nations who have global influence.
3) true, and I add many leaders in humanity in general are finding their potency limited.
Quote4) Every Black nation on the planet is either being exploited by another country or too poor to be self-sufficient.
4)true, though that is most countries in humanity for the record including most white ones.
So far the only point I oppose is your first one. That is not true.
Your subpoints
QuoteAfroAmericans have to solve 1 and 2 before we can even take a seat at the table within a Black United Nations.
True, even though said black united nations if it existed would have an influence on all black people globally, and I add I think Black Americans in the usa , in uncontestable majority, want to be part of an internally peaceful or prosperous while multiracial usa
Quote3 and 4 suggest that no Black group of people is qualified to control other groups of Black people within a Black United Nations.
True, and I add the best proof of qualifying for the role of controlling group is simply if said group controls, beyond how they are assessed.
QuoteRight now, I do not believe any nation on the planet is a real threat to the system of racism white supremacy. There's no ongoing human activity that could topple it.
I can only say I can concur if by white supremacy , white european supremacy is meant. If not, I oppose the framing of your point. humanity is complicated, always has been.
QuoteShort of a catastrophic event, the current empire could implode under its own largesse. Similar to the Roman empire. But, they're not going to let that happen.
The roman empire had an implosion but didn't die at that moment. It reorganized. Emperor justinian of nova roma centered on constantinople had reclaimed most of the empire lost in the implosion when the capitol was last centered on the city commonly called rome today. The roman empire died by age and opponents. The roman empire died a city state. Like most empires, the neighbors took a long time but learned from it and then attacked it over the course of many years from all sides. It died by withering not implosion. And the USA unlike the roman empire is more influenced by factors of withering internally while like rome is surrounded by learning opponents.
In conclusion, you stated i miscomprehended your points. from my own comprehension. I didn't, and I only contested three of them. and you answered all my questions. I simply reframed your answers using your own words, which is a paraphrasing but is not mischaracterizing your points.
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@ProfD I am happy for your answers.
Based on your words
You think the black community is too far removed to concern itself with its own internal design or structure while it needs to focus on a unity absent an internal structure or design.
Based on your words
You think the current white empire is not able to withstand everything but is only susceptible to , and I rephrase you, an act of god. Sequentially, you think no human activity can undo the current white empire.
Thank you for your answers.
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haha it is ok ,thank you for your praises.
I love collective poetry. I will make a phrase to continue your poetry. It is free verse.QuoteMy skin - dark as the night – until the lights reveal my flawless hue. My face - beautiful as the night sky, present in every episode of life. My heart - mysterious as a dark room until you open your heart and let me in. Like the black night, the black sky and the black room, if you don’t open your mind and acknowledge that I’m not always so angry, and if you don’t open your hearts and accept me for the beautiful mess that I am, you will continue to miss out on the essence of me and what we can be, together. Dark as the night, beautiful as the night sky, and mysterious as a dark room - not always an Angry Black Woman.
The glance from her eyes, but did you see the worry from her brows.
The purse from her lips, but did you hear the joy in her vestibule.
The hum from her chest, but did you feel the love from her soul.
What you remember or note or foretell may be the scorching light from anger.
But if you dare risk the ignorant darkness, you will find your partner in life, was or is or will be happily there.
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in Culture, Race & Economy
yes @Pioneer1
I don't know who owns it but it is still around and has black people on it, though littered with bots