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2. "Within Our Gates 1920" review + Thoughts to Oscar Micheaux from Movies That Move We
   

   "Within Our Gates 1920" review + Thoughts to Oscar Micheaux from Movies That Move We

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   OSCAR MICHEAUX THEATER https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/677-oscar-devereaux-micheaux-books-plus-films/ "Within Our Gates" from OScar Micheaux Still from Within Our Gates, portraying the lynching of Jasper Landry (William Stark) and his wife (Mattie Edwards) Still from the 1920 Oscar Micheaux film Within Our Gates featuring Grant Gorman and Evelyn Preer Title Within our gates Summary Sylvia Landry, a young black woman, is visiting her cousin, Alma Prichard, in the North. After Alma uses her wicked step-brother Larry to break Sylvia's engagement, Sylvia returns to the South. She meets Rev. Jacobs, a minister who runs a school for black children, which is facing closure. Sylvia volunteers to go to Boston to attempt to raise funds. Upon arriving, her purse is stolen, but a local man, Dr. Vivian, manages to get it back for her. Dr. Vivian falls in love with Sylvia, and gradually learns of her tragic past: her adoptive mother and father were both the victims of lynching and she was the victim of attempted rape, after a meeting between her adoptive father, sharecropper Jasper Landry, and the plantation owner, Philip Girdlestone, ends with Girdlestone dead. Meanwhile, despite setbacks, Sylvia has managed to raise $50,000 for the school from a generous philanthropist. After a second difficult encounter with Larry, Sylvia and Dr. Vivian are happily reunited. Names Micheaux, Oscar, 1884-1951, film director, film producer, screenwriter, actor Preer, Evelyn, actor Clements, Flo, actor Lucas, Charles D., actor Ruffin, James D., actor Chenault, Jack, actor Jacks, S. T. (Samuel True), 1887-1955, actor Starks, William, 1879-1937, actor Edwards, Mattie, 1866-1944, actor Micheaux Film Corporation, production company Created / Published 1993. Headings - African American educators - African American schools - African American physicians - Hoodlums--United States - Educational benefactors--United States - Race relations - Racism--United States - Lynching--United States Genre Race films Social problem films Silent films Feature films Fiction films Notes - Originally released in the U.S. in 1920 by the Micheaux Book and Film Co. and Quality Amusement Corporation, both under the states rights system. - At approximately 46 minutes into the film, Oscar Micheaux appears in a cameo as a criminal doing business with the gambler, Larry Prichard, who is Alma's step-brother. - LC also holds the Spanish language version, entitled La Negra in the AFI/Filmoteca Española Collection and a 1/2 in. viewing copy entitled The African American cinema I : Oscar Micheaux's Within our gates in the LC Collection. - Sources used: Eagan, D. America's film legacy, p. 64-68; AFI catalog online, viewed March 22, 2024; Internet movie database, March 22, 2024; San Francisco Silent Flm Festival WWW site viewed March 22, 2024 (Within our gates essay). - Evelyn Preer, Flo Clements, Charles D. Lucas, James D. Ruffin, Jack Chenault, S.T. Jacks, Mrs. Evelyn, William Stark, Mattie Edwards, Ralph Johnson, Grant Gorman, E.G. Tatum, Grant Edwards, Jimmie Cook, William Smith, Bernice Ladd, Oscar Micheaux. - Reconstructed in 1993 from a nitrate print of La Negra, a version with Spanish language intertitles. The new English language intertitles are a translation from the Spanish back into English, with English diction, slang, and syntax drawn whenever possible from Oscar Micheaux's novels or from his 1925 film, Body and soul. - This film was selected for the National Film Registry. Medium 1 video file (digital) (78 min.) : si., b&w. Source Collection AFI/Filmoteca Española Collection (Library of Congress) Digital Id https://hdl.loc.gov/loc.mbrsmi/ntscrm.00046435 Library of Congress Control Number 2024600507 Online Format image video LCCN Permalink https://lccn.loc.gov/2024600507 Additional Metadata Formats MARCXML Record MODS Record Dublin Core Record CITATION Chicago citation style: Micheaux, Oscar, Film Director, Film Producer, Screenwriter, Actor, Evelyn Preer, Flo Clements, Charles D Lucas, James D Ruffin, Jack Chenault, S. T Jacks, William Starks, and Mattie Edwards. Within Our Gates. produceds by Micheaux Film Corporationuction Company 1993. Video. https://www.loc.gov/item/2024600507/. APA citation style: Micheaux, O., Preer, E., Clements, F., Lucas, C. D., Ruffin, J. D., Chenault, J. [...] Edwards, M. (1993) Within Our Gates. Micheaux Film Corporationuction Company, prod [Video] Retrieved from the Library of Congress, https://www.loc.gov/item/2024600507/. MLA citation style: Micheaux, Oscar, Film Director, Film Producer, Screenwriter, Actor, et al. Within Our Gates. prod by Micheaux Film Corporationuction Company 1993. Video. Retrieved from the Library of Congress, <www.loc.gov/item/2024600507/>. Format Film, Video Contributor Chenault, Jack Clements, Flo Edwards, Mattie Jacks, S. T. (Samuel True) Lucas, Charles D. Micheaux Film Corporation Micheaux, Oscar Preer, Evelyn Ruffin, James D. Starks, William Dates 1993 Location United States Language No Linguistic Content Not Applicable Subject African American Educators African American Physicians African American Schools Educational Benefactors Feature Films Fiction Films Hoodlums Lynching Race Films Race Relations Racism Silent Films Social Problem Films United States "Within Our Gates 1920" review from Movies That Move We Video link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pDDAem6CS8 Embed video 0:1717 secondsHey, 0:3333 secondsWhat does it mean to tell your own story when the world has decided it doesn't want to hear it? 0:4141 secondsWhat does it cost personally, 0:4444 secondsfinancially, spiritually to force truth onto a screen that which 0:5151 secondsthe entire industry was built to suppress? That question is at the center of what we'll be discussing today. And I 0:5858 secondsthink the question makes Oscar Marco one of the most important figures in American film history, not just black 1:061 minute, 6 secondsfilm history, American history. Welcome back to Movies That Move We. I'm Nay and 1:121 minute, 12 secondstoday we're going to deep dive into one silent film from 1920 that was nearly lost forever. abandon multiple cities 1:221 minute, 22 secondsand directly challenge the most successful films of the area the era. 1:271 minute, 27 secondsToday we're talking about within our gates by Oscar Mo. 1:321 minute, 32 secondsNow if you watched the episode last month we covered Marco Marco's background in depth. So we're not going 1:401 minute, 40 secondsto repeat that today. But there are two things that you need to keep on the sticky side of your brain before we can 1:471 minute, 47 secondstalk about this film. first Lincoln Motion Picture Company. They wanted to 1:541 minute, 54 secondsadapt Mo's novel, The Homesteader, but they told him he couldn't direct it himself. So, he started his own company. 2:032 minutes, 3 secondsJust like that, he started the MO film and Book Company in 1918. 2:092 minutes, 9 secondsHe raised the money by selling shares directly to black farmers and community members. That independence is everything and that's why this film exists at all. 2:222 minutes, 22 secondsSecond, and this is important, you cannot understand within our gates without understanding what it was 2:292 minutes, 29 secondsresponding to. Birth of a nation by WD Griffith, which came out in 2000, I'm sorry, 1915. 2:382 minutes, 38 secondsI'll make it plain. technically innovative, cinematically influential, 2:442 minutes, 44 secondsand deeply devastatingly racist. It glorifies the KKK as heroes and portrays black men as animalistic and predatory. 2:542 minutes, 54 secondsPresident Woodro Wilson screened this at the White House. The NAACP tried to have 3:013 minutes, 1 secondit banned and failed. It became the highest grossing film of its era and was used as a clan recruitment tool. 3:113 minutes, 11 secondsHistorians have linked it directly to the resurgence of clan membership in the years that followed. 3:183 minutes, 18 secondsThis is what Oscar Mako was working against. 3:233 minutes, 23 secondsNot just the images on a screen, but real world violence that those images enabled. 3:313 minutes, 31 secondsThen comes 1919, 3:343 minutes, 34 secondsthe Red Summer. Race massacres across the country. White mobs attacking black neighborhoods. Hundreds of Africanameans 3:433 minutes, 43 secondskilled. The country was burning. Within our gates is released January 1920. 3:513 minutes, 51 secondsIt is a direct answer and it doesn't flinch. 3:573 minutes, 57 secondsThe version that we have today is incomplete. 4:034 minutes, 3 secondsThe film was believed to be entirely lost until 1993 when a print was discovered in a Spanish 4:114 minutes, 11 secondsarchive in Madrid. It was cataloged under its Spanish title, Lanra. 4:184 minutes, 18 secondsWhat we have runs about 79 minutes, more than likely shorter than the original. 4:264 minutes, 26 secondsand some of the intertitles have been reconstructed from the Spanish translation. 4:324 minutes, 32 secondsSo, we're working with an important but still extraordinary artifact. 4:384 minutes, 38 secondsThe central character in this film is Sylvia Landry, played by Evelyn Prayer. 4:454 minutes, 45 secondsIf you don't know that name, we need to take a moment because she's one of the most important figures in this entire era of black film cinema. 4:564 minutes, 56 secondsSome film historians credit her as the first black movie star in the modern sense. Someone with 5:055 minutes, 5 secondsgenuine screen presence, a recognizable name, and an audience that specifically 5:125 minutes, 12 secondswanted to see her. She Marco had one of the great professional partnerships of American film history. She was his 5:215 minutes, 21 secondsleading lady across multiple films. She was his instrument for showing the world what black women on screen could look 5:305 minutes, 30 secondslike when somebody actually cared about their interiority. 5:355 minutes, 35 secondsTragically, she died in 1932 at just 36 years old due to complications following childbirth. Her daughter Eva survived, 5:475 minutes, 47 secondsbut black cinema lost one of its brightest lights far too soon. When you watch this film, know that you're 5:545 minutes, 54 secondswatching someone at the height of her powers. Give her the attention she deserved. 6:026 minutes, 2 secondsNow, back to the character that she played, Sylvia. She's educated, 6:086 minutes, 8 secondsdignified, she's complex. She's exactly the kind of black protagonist that Hollywood simply was not putting on the 6:166 minutes, 16 secondsscreen. The story opens up with Sylvia in the north caught in a messy romantic situation with a man named Conrad. 6:276 minutes, 27 secondsHe's engaged to someone else. A jealous woman, specifically her cousin named Elma, 6:346 minutes, 34 secondsemploys a petty criminal to interfere in Sylvia's life. 6:406 minutes, 40 secondsSylvia travels back to the south to raise money for a school, the Pineywood School, which was serving black and poor 6:496 minutes, 49 secondschildren in the rural South. The school is actually based on a real institution, 6:546 minutes, 54 secondsthe Pineywoods Country Life School in Mississippi. 7:007 minutesShe believes deeply in education as uplift. 7:057 minutes, 5 secondsShe secures a donation for the school from a white northern philanthropist named Alina Warick. 7:137 minutes, 13 secondsBut the film's most devastating sequence comes through flashback. Sylvia's adoptive father, Jasper Land Lands 7:227 minutes, 22 secondsLandry, I'mma get this out. Is a sharecropper falsely accused of murdering his white land owner, 7:317 minutes, 31 secondsGriddlestone. In reality, in reality, 7:347 minutes, 34 secondsGriddle Stone was killed by his white neighbor. 7:397 minutes, 39 secondsBut in this America, a black man accused is a black man hunted. What follows is a lynching sequence. 7:497 minutes, 49 secondsJasper and his wife are killed by a white mob. And in the flashback, a young Sylvia is attacked by Griddlestone 7:567 minutes, 56 secondshimself. It's clearly framed as an attempted sexual assault. And then in a 8:038 minutes, 3 secondsgeniusly stunning narrative turn, he stops because he recognizes by a scar on 8:108 minutes, 10 secondsher chest that she's his biological daughter. 8:158 minutes, 15 secondsThe woman he sees as less than human is his own child. The film ends with Sylvia 8:248 minutes, 24 secondsback in the north. She's been shot. She recovers. And a doctor named Viven who 8:328 minutes, 32 secondsloves her is at her side. And they're united. 8:378 minutes, 37 secondsIt's more than a hopeful ending. More It's a more hopeful ending than the film's brutality might suggest, 8:468 minutes, 46 secondsthough. That hope feels hard. One earned through an unflinching look at what black life in America actually look like. 8:578 minutes, 57 secondsMy co was working with real formal craft. This is not a rough or primitive 9:049 minutes, 4 secondsfilm even by 1920s standards. He uses close-ups, especially on Preer's face to 9:139 minutes, 13 secondscapture that emotion for a character that Hollywood typically keeps flat. The 9:219 minutes, 21 secondsparallel ending during the lynching sequence mirrors a technique Griffith used in Birth of a Nation. Cutting between locations to build tension. 9:339 minutes, 33 secondsThat segment is in fact very intense. 9:389 minutes, 38 secondsBut my co completely flips the moral framework where Griffith was using that 9:449 minutes, 44 secondstechnique to frame white women as needing protection and rescue from black men. My co uses it to indict white 9:559 minutes, 55 secondsviolence against black people. He's using the master's tools deliberately. 10:0410 minutes, 4 secondsThere are a number of themes to look at here. The first would be the counter nar narrative as a political act. My co- 10:1410 minutes, 14 secondsunderstood something that we now take for granted in media criticism. 10:2010 minutes, 20 secondsRepresentation is never neutral. 10:2410 minutes, 24 secondsImages teach people who is human and who's not considered 10:3110 minutes, 31 secondshuman. They shape how communities see themselves and how they're seen by others. Birth of a Nation was actively 10:4010 minutes, 40 secondsharming black Americans, not just offending them. The images in that that film gave psychological permission for violence. 10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsThey confirmed a worldview that said black people were dangerous and subhuman. 10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsMy co on the other hand responds by creating images that insist on black humanity in all of its complexity. 11:0711 minutes, 7 secondsSylvia is not a saint. She's navigating a messy romantic situation at the film's 11:1311 minutes, 13 secondsopening. She's made compromises. She's fully human and that full humanity is a 11:2111 minutes, 21 secondspolitical statement. The second theme is the in intracial 11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsdebate. Here's something to miss on a casual watch. My co is 11:3611 minutes, 36 secondsalso engaging with a major intracial debate happening in real time. 11:4311 minutes, 43 secondsThis is the era of doce versus Booker T. 11:4711 minutes, 47 secondsWashington. Do is arguing for full civil rights and higher education. 11:5311 minutes, 53 secondsWashington, on the other hand, is arguing for industrial education and accommodation within white power 12:0012 minutesstructures. The film has characters who represent different positions. There's a 12:0612 minutes, 6 secondspreacher named Old Ned who is sickant towards white patrons. He 12:1312 minutes, 13 secondsperforms the version of himself they want to see. And my co treats that attitude with real contempt. 12:2212 minutes, 22 secondsThen there's Sylvia. She's committed to education and uplift, 12:2812 minutes, 28 secondsbut she has to navigate white patronage to do it. When she secures a donation 12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsfrom Elena Warwick, the film doesn't present it simply. Where does the money come from? Who does it ultimately serve? 12:4412 minutes, 44 secondsWhat are the unspoken terms? My code doesn't give you easy answers. 12:5112 minutes, 51 secondsThis film is an active conversation with black intellectual tradition. 12:5912 minutes, 59 secondsThe third theme, womanhood and sexual violence. Let's make it plain. 13:0613 minutes, 6 secondsOne of the things within our gates does that is genuinely radical for 1920 13:1213 minutes, 12 secondsor frankly for any era is to put the sexual violence against black women on 13:1913 minutes, 19 secondsthe screen as historical and present reality. 13:2513 minutes, 25 secondsThe griddlestone assault on Sylvia is not ambiguous. It's the realization that 13:3113 minutes, 31 secondshe is her biological father. a product of an earlier assault on her black 13:3813 minutes, 38 secondsmother. It collapses the central mythology white southerners used to justify lynching. 13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsThe narrative was always we're protecting white women from black men. 13:5413 minutes, 54 secondsMy co on the other hand says look at what's actually happening. Look at who's actually assaulting whom. Look at the 14:0314 minutes, 3 secondschildren that violence is producing because how much more evidence do you need? 14:1014 minutes, 10 secondsIda B. Wells has been documenting this or had been documenting this in her journalism for decades. 14:1814 minutes, 18 secondsMy co put the argument on film and notably Sylvia survives. 14:2414 minutes, 24 secondsShe endures. She carries this history in her body and she continues. and how much 14:3114 minutes, 31 secondsof that is just what black women do even now. 14:3814 minutes, 38 secondsThere is something deeply important in that refusal to let her be defined only by what was done to her. 14:4814 minutes, 48 secondsThe fourth theme is censorship. 14:5214 minutes, 52 secondsChicago sensors initially refused to allow the film, citing concerns that the 15:0015 minuteslynching sequence would provoke racial unrest. Think about that for just a 15:0515 minutes, 5 secondsmoment. A film depicting racial violence was rejected because it might upset 15:1415 minutes, 14 secondspeople who saw the depictions of racial violence. 15:1915 minutes, 19 secondsThe concern wasn't for black audiences processing their trauma on the screen. 15:2615 minutes, 26 secondsThe concern was for white comfort. 15:3015 minutes, 30 secondsMy co fought back. The man was tenacious. He negotiated. 15:3615 minutes, 36 secondsHe may have made some cuts. We don't know exactly what changed because we don't have the original print of the 15:4315 minutes, 43 secondsfilm. But the film got shown. It played to black audiences across the country. 15:5015 minutes, 50 secondsThe Chicago Defender, the Pittsburgh Cur Courier, they covered this film seriously. 15:5815 minutes, 58 secondsSo, this is a film that we nearly lost. 16:0416 minutes, 4 secondsOf the roughly 44 films that Michael made, we have 12. And I don't think I 16:1216 minutes, 12 secondshave my Yes, I do. We have 12. The rest are lost because the films deteriorated. 16:2116 minutes, 21 secondsNo one with institutional power. And this is the entire collection here. No one with institutional power saw fit to 16:2916 minutes, 29 secondspreserve them. Nitrate film which was used at the time is fragile and race 16:3616 minutes, 36 secondsfilms were not prioritized. They weren't considered worthy of archiving. 16:4216 minutes, 42 secondswithin our gates survived because a Spanish archive preserved a print under a different name. 16:5216 minutes, 52 secondsHad someone not cataloged it correctly, 16:5516 minutes, 55 secondswe may have never known that this film existed. 16:5916 minutes, 59 secondsThe film preservation was not a neutral act. What gets saves tells you what a 17:0617 minutes, 6 secondsculture values and what it's willing to let disappear. It's it goes back to that 17:1417 minutes, 14 secondsthing we've repeatedly said here, that thing that Walter Mosley says about 17:2017 minutes, 20 secondsbooks, which is if you're not in the the story, you're not in the culture. And 17:2917 minutes, 29 secondsthe fact that we were able to find this film, find 12 of the 44 films, it puts 17:3817 minutes, 38 secondsus back into the silent film movie era era and it solidifies us within the 17:4617 minutes, 46 secondsAmerican culture of that time as something other than slaves and in servitude to anybody else. 17:5617 minutes, 56 secondsThe Library of Congress added within our gates to the National Film Registry in 1993. 18:0418 minutes, 4 secondsIt's now recognized as one of the most significant American films ever made. 18:1118 minutes, 11 secondsThink about my co's lineage. What did he get started here? 18:1818 minutes, 18 secondsYou have my co to the LA Rebellion filmmakers to Spike Lee to Julie Dash to Ryan Cougler to Ava Duivere. 18:3118 minutes, 31 secondsIt's a whole line. The insistence on determination, 18:3618 minutes, 36 secondsthe refusal to wait for Hollywood to tell your story accurately, the willingness to go directly to your audience and say this is for us. 18:4818 minutes, 48 secondsMy co was doing what black filmmakers are still doing today, fighting for the right to depict black life in its full complexity. We're not a monolith. 19:0219 minutes, 2 secondsHe just had to do it with far fewer resources in a far more hostile environment. Remember we talked about this last month. You had, you know, 19:1419 minutes, 14 secondsWarner Brothers, Fox, Paramount. They were fighting each other to get started. 19:2019 minutes, 20 secondsBut at a certain point, they fought so that they could get the resources, the films, the cameras, everything, and 19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsfocus on building their empires. And at a certain point their infighting became 19:3419 minutes, 34 secondshealthy competition. But even in that even when they were at war with each other and fighting for position to be 19:4319 minutes, 43 secondsthe Hollywood studio collectively they were not including black people. 19:5319 minutes, 53 secondsWhat does this film demand of us now? When you watch Within Our Gates today, 20:0120 minutes, 1 secondyou can and you can um it's in the public domain. This is more than a hundred This film is more than a hundred years old. 20:1020 minutes, 10 secondsUm and I'll make sure that I post the links for you. It demands something from you. The lynching sequence is hard to 20:1920 minutes, 19 secondswatch and you know it it's not filmed like it would be today where you know 20:2820 minutes, 28 secondsyou get visuals and closeups of of what's happening. But the pace of the 20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsfilm at that point makes it hard to watch and you find yourself tensing up. 20:4220 minutes, 42 secondsI know I did. Even though I could see in the filming that maybe they had someone standing on a stool at a certain point, 20:5220 minutes, 52 secondsit was no less impactful. 20:5420 minutes, 54 secondsHe wasn't making art for comfort. He was making art as testimony. 21:0121 minutes, 1 secondBut what I found most powerful is not the horror. 21:0621 minutes, 6 secondsIt's Evelyn Prair's face. the moments where his camera simply rests on her, 21:1521 minutes, 15 secondslets her think, lets her feel. Even though there are no audible words in 21:2221 minutes, 22 secondsthis film, the actors emoted wonderfully. 21:2721 minutes, 27 secondsThose moments are as radical as anything else in the film. He's saying her inner 21:3421 minutes, 34 secondslife matters. her character is worth your attention in 1920 21:4121 minutes, 41 secondson screen. And when you really think about it, that in itself is a revolutionary act. 21:4921 minutes, 49 secondsAnd knowing what we know now, knowing that she would be gone just 12 years later at 36 years old, there's something 21:5721 minutes, 57 secondsvery precious about every single film that she's in. Watch her closely. 22:0522 minutes, 5 secondsSo, that's all I have for you today. Um, the film was banned, nearly erased, 22:1422 minutes, 14 secondsrediscovered in a foreign archive, and is now exactly where it belongs, at the 22:2122 minutes, 21 secondscenter of conversation about what American cinema is to be and what it refused to be. Oscar Mako didn't ask 22:2922 minutes, 29 secondspermission. He raised money from his community. He built his own infrastructure and he made the films he believed needed to exist. 22:4222 minutes, 42 secondsI think I said this in the last episode. He was ahead of his time. And because he was and because he did, 22:5122 minutes, 51 secondswe have a 79 minute survival. This piece of testimony that is still speaking a 100 plus years later. 23:0223 minutes, 2 secondsIf you watch one film after this, make sure it's within our gates. It's on YouTube. It's in the Library of Congress. It's on MGM. 23:1423 minutes, 14 secondsYou can get it from your local library. 23:1623 minutes, 16 secondsYou can find this film for free. Give Evelyn Prayer your full attention. 23:2423 minutes, 24 secondsGive M give Oscar my co the engagement that he was fighting for. really study his study his film, study him. 23:3723 minutes, 37 secondsYou know, as I watched the film, I thought about what he had to do to be a filmmaker. 23:4423 minutes, 44 secondsHe was a key figure in building the black film industry. Not the only, but the well-known figure. 23:5623 minutes, 56 secondsI wondered what would he think of the black film industry today. 24:0324 minutes, 3 secondsAll right. Well, that's it. Thanks for spending your time with me. Like and follow our Facebook and YouTube page, 24:1224 minutes, 12 secondsMovies That Move Wee, and share this if it meant something to you. If you got anything out of it, go ahead and share 24:2024 minutes, 20 secondsit with someone you know. Until next time. Bye. MY THOUGHTS What does it mean to tell your own story when others with more power decide they don't want to see it? What does it mean to tell stories that the larger industry was designed to oppress? 1919 The red summer, was the USA burning or was the black populace in the usa being burned? 4:22 the Spanish title is La Negra, the black... Within Our Gates Spanish title is , the black. 5:41 I didn't know Evelyn Preer died in child birth The funny thing is Micheaux's stories had more complex characters than white financed films for decades after. 6:50 Piney Woods Country Life School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piney_Woods_Country_Life_School The largest boarding school for black descended of enslaved, one of four Black DOS boarding schools. https://www.pineywoods.org/ 9:59 well said, Michaeux reverses the roles from "birth of a nation" 10:30 good point, representation is never neutral. 11:05 Also, shows the power of white violence, but also treats whites with a humanity, that his white peers do not do for blacks. 11:59 hmmmm well WEB Dubois/ Booker T Washington/ Marcus Garvey/ Frederick Douglass are all at the same time. They all advocate for the rights of Black individuals or groups. They all advocate for learning, greater learning among black individuals or groups. I think their variance is in the response to white violence and sequent actions or goals to black people. Dubois heading the white jewish financed National association for the advancement of colored people don't take even one percent of the crimes against black people by whites to court, while he supports a phenotypically integrated workplace. I argue, Dubois wants civil rights but can only demand it as a public request to whites, alongside a request to allow blacks in white owned labor environments based on merit. But paid labor is rarely based on merit. Washington wants Black people who at that time for ninety percent in the former confederacy states, to remain in the south and uphold a less intertwined form of integration. Washington doesn't want segregation but he wants to comfort whites by staying out of their towns/schools/business areas and getting black people to focus on building their own. The variance between Dubois side Washington is in their end goals. Dubois end goal is to have communities/workplaces/schools where whites side blacks are one people. With that kind of goal, you can't have historic black colleges side historic white colleges. You can't have blacks towns side white towns. Government for Dubois is a tool to force total/holistic integration. This suited the white jew financiers for Dubois whose strategy was to guide blacks to have a holistic integration to get whites who are not jewish to embrace the white phenotypical populace with no boundaries in gender/religion/language/geographic ancestry. Looking at the future the White jews got what they wanted as the modern white populace at the time of this writing doesn't have any of the internal blockades to whites who are not male/Christian/European descent as in the eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds. Washington's end goal is to have black communities/black schools/black businesses that only relate to whites financially, and stay out of government. The whites who financed Washington didn't have any allegiance to poor whites in the south and saw the black populace of the south as a potential offset to the poor white populace of the south. The Jim crow laws in many ways were pushed by financially poor whites who realized the black southern populace if not kept in an extremely negative financial state using the governments of the southern states, would be a rival and upend their position in bargaining with rich whites. Looking at today and the southern states, and how the white southern populace is the base for the anti immigrant position, it shows truth. The white southern populace didn't mind immigrants as long as they were hindering black financial growth by being cheaper labor or blockaded from bettering poor whites by their illegal status or extended jim crow laws. Marcus Garvey though supported black rights plus education. The problem is Garvey didn't believe anywhere in the American continent was plausible for black rights to be upheld or for black education to lead to opportunity. And it is truthful, if you look at Mexico, brazil, the usa, even Haiti after henri Christophe died, the entire American continent, canada to argentina, before jean Jacques Dessalines or after henri Christophe in Haiti, was an anti black place. yes, examples throughout the American continent existed for black individual examples, going through many white walls. But, what is the point of life? is the point of life to struggle? I argue no. I argue the point of life is to have it good, have it easy, have it fun and ninety nine percent of black people in the entire American continent , canada to argentina, late eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds, didn't have anything good or easy or fun. So leave the American continent. The tragedy is the same whites from Canada to Argentina who preached dislike of blacks hated the idea of black people leaving. Why? because white unity was only based on the presence of black people , in the entire American continent. The native American, indios had already been decimated in populace in such a way, they will never have the numbers to threaten, thus whites can't unify around an empty threat. As for Frederick Douglass, he was older but his point wasn't to support dubois/washington/garvey but to state his belief, that the usa warrants surviving. Douglass point is the usa can become something no other government can and if black people leave en masse or don't seek complete integration, the usa can never become what he dreamed it become, a country of humans. On one side note, Booker T Washington's wife was a white Asian and it is interesting that when you look at white Asians as a populace in the usa, they act the way booker t Washington wanted black descended of enslaved to act. Don't get involved in government, focus on your own everything. Not criminalizing integration but make everything a financial position first or foremost. In cheap retrospect, the one thing Washington didn't comprehend, and this connects to Haiti. Black DOSers relationship to the usa isn't fiscal, it isn't fiscal capitalistic. Black DOSers are not in the united states of America to make money. Black DOSers are in the usa because whites wanted it. Black DOSers can not find any reason to support the usa based on enslaved forebears. Ala, the often said while very erroneous, our forebears helped build the usa line. It is the great Black DOSer sin saying that line. My forebears were enslaved, but for anyone to suggest they cared one bit about anything in the usa, is an ugly lie. And this is the fundamental problem with said four leaders, each was bound to fail. WEB Dubois was being used to make unify white groups. Booker T Washington couldn't protect black people from fiscally poor whites violence. Garvey didn't believe in the usa or the American continent as a good place for blacks and whites in majority wanted blacks to change their minds, to anything but anti America. Frederick Douglass felt the Black DOS populace should fight through anything to remain in the usa for a greater human achievement that wouldn't benefit blacks in any of the ways they wanted but would support humanity in a way he felt it needed. 13:07 very true, i can't think of any other film showing white violence to black women that strongly, made in the usa. 14:19 i wonder your thought to passing? 15:18 good point, white comfort, this goes back to gone with the wind, a song of the south, birth of a nation, even king kong, make white people feel good about themselves, by not showing white people in any negative light. 16:37 yes, what gets saved isn't neutral and is also expensive. You have to say, what were black wealthy people doing? they could had saved. 17:21 good quote from mosely, if you are not in the story, you are not in the culture. 18:29 thank you for mentioning Julie Dash 20:00 What does watching the film demand today? 21:27 yes, lovely emotion from the thespians. 22:13 great show Oscar Micheaux biography from Movies That Move We https://youtu.be/1C5hxGrohps?si=hnAH78ulXh4-pyMg my comment What are your thoughts to the film passing? Thanks for mentioning Julie Dash. Great review... Oscar Micheaux in many ways incorporated WEB Dubois's philosophies aside Booker T Washington's philosophies in the production of this film. I even wonder how many non blacks saw his films and were inspired by his work. Great question, what would he think of the black film industry today? What would he think of the Black film industry in or out of the USA? Black identity today is global but is of many parts. Each part has its own environment. What would he think of Nollywood? What would he think of the Black film industry in the USA which monetarily is based on a handful of black producers: blacks with money or who can access money to make films? That is such an engaging question you ask at the end. I wish he was alive to answer. I wish he had a journal. I wish I had all his screenplays. I know he wrote books alongside the films but it seems many are lost. Profile of OScar Micheaux video link https://youtu.be/1C5hxGrohps?si=LKAo5vDY1-rQksl9 Embed video 0:2929 secondsHey, 0:3131 secondsHey everyone, welcome back to another edition of Movies That Move We. 0:3737 secondsThis is the place where film isn't just entertainment. It's history, it's culture, it's memory. 0:4545 secondsSome episodes that we do are about the movies, you know, commentary, ratings, 0:5252 secondsall of that stuff. But but today, this is just about one man. This month we're 0:5959 secondsfocusing on black film history and today we're going to be profiling Oscar Mako. 1:081 minute, 8 secondsWhy is this episode different? 1:111 minute, 11 secondsThis is different like I said because there's no reviews, no ranking. We're doing a profile of someone who is very important in black film history. 1:211 minute, 21 secondsWe're talking about how film history gets made and who gets left out of it. 1:291 minute, 29 secondsYou know, while Hollywood was being built, Oscar MO was already working. 1:371 minute, 37 secondsExcuse me. He was a writer, director, producer, distributor, 1:461 minute, 46 secondspromoter. He was independent before independence was ever really a category. 1:551 minute, 55 secondsNow, one of the movies that I mentioned um that we should watch and it brings context to this conversation is Titans: 2:062 minutes, 6 secondsThe Rise of Hollywood, which you can find on Netflix. 2:112 minutes, 11 secondsSo, let's talk about it. You know, the start of the American film industry was early 1900s. 2:192 minutes, 19 secondsUm that was the period of the short film. 2:252 minutes, 25 secondsUm the industry itself was very tight and what I mean by that is there were a few men controlling the whole industry. 2:382 minutes, 38 secondsIt started in New York. It was in cities like New York and Chicago. And in these 2:452 minutes, 45 secondscities there were a group of people who you had to go to for everything for the 2:522 minutes, 52 secondsfilm for camera set for everything. You could only use certain actors and you couldn't use anybody else's actor or producer. 3:043 minutes, 4 secondsIt was giving very what some might call moblike. 3:103 minutes, 10 secondsThis group that ran everything was called the trust. 3:173 minutes, 17 secondsAnd this particular group consider included excuse me included Thomas Edison. 3:283 minutes, 28 secondsMhm. That one that Thomas Edison he controlled production and distribution. 3:363 minutes, 36 secondsum at the time he in America he was the one who was making cameras. That was the only person that you could go to. 3:443 minutes, 44 secondsSo it made it very difficult for people to be filmmakers. But they did it. 3:543 minutes, 54 secondsAnd at the point that we have three early titans come up, the film industry is shifting from novelty to industry. 4:054 minutes, 5 secondsPower consolidated very quickly. 4:094 minutes, 9 secondsSo again, the early Titans, Thomas Edison, he controlled the patents. He controlled who could legally make a 4:164 minutes, 16 secondsfilm. And then you have these three players who enter who their their work still stands today. 4:264 minutes, 26 secondsThese companies still exist. You have Adolf Zukor. 4:324 minutes, 32 secondsHe created Paramount. Um he was the first one to go with feature length films, meaning 4:404 minutes, 40 secondsearly films were only a few minutes long and they were silent. 4:464 minutes, 46 secondsAll you had to read was body language and dramatic gestures. That's what early films were. Um he created the feature 4:554 minutes, 55 secondslen length film which was 30 minutes an hour long. He created the star system. 5:015 minutes, 1 secondSo all of a sudden we have people who are marketed and promoted as this is who 5:085 minutes, 8 secondsyou want to be. Is very New York centered early on. More about him later. 5:165 minutes, 16 secondsUm Car Carl Lamel he opened a theater making movies accessible to the general public. Um 5:255 minutes, 25 secondsagain films at this time were a luxury item novelty. You got dressed up. It was like going to the theater you know and 5:345 minutes, 34 secondsonly certain people could afford that luxury. 5:395 minutes, 39 secondsBut he brought it to the people and he was one who fought Edison and one of the 5:475 minutes, 47 secondspeople in the industry who was the first to move to California and build Universal City that was around 1915. 5:595 minutes, 59 secondsWilliam Fox that Fox brought vertical integration, 6:056 minutes, 5 secondsmeaning he brought the production, the distribution, and the theaters to the 6:116 minutes, 11 secondssystem. For him that was ideal because he did it all, including creating a place to show his films exclusively, 6:226 minutes, 22 secondswhereas everybody else was shopping around to see who would be willing to present their films. 6:316 minutes, 31 secondsLewis B. mayor, one-third of the MGM uh film company. He brought brought to 6:406 minutes, 40 secondsthe uh the industry the prestige, the glamour. Again, going off of uh what 6:476 minutes, 47 secondsLamel also brought to it all the glitz and the branding power and the razledazzle 6:546 minutes, 54 secondsthat um comes with Hollywood that we know of uh in Hollywood. 7:027 minutes, 2 secondsanother person that um she isn't mentioned as one of the big three but 7:087 minutes, 8 secondsshe was still influential and that's Mary Pigford. She was an actress 7:157 minutes, 15 secondsum and she brought her writing skills as well as her acting talents to the industry. 7:247 minutes, 24 secondsSo important clarification that I want to make here is that it wasn't one man that moved Hollywood west. 7:357 minutes, 35 secondsZukor wasn't the one who led the move to the west coast. He followed 7:427 minutes, 42 secondsLamel and Fox were the first two to move to California. 7:497 minutes, 49 secondsWhy California? 7:517 minutes, 51 secondsIt was ideal because it offered an escape from Thomas Edison. 7:577 minutes, 57 secondsThe weather was ideal. They could film outdoors. They had plenty of of landscape to choose from. They had the 8:058 minutes, 5 secondsspace. And most importantly, they had control. They didn't have to answer to 8:138 minutes, 13 secondsthe trust. they could do their own thing, set their own rules, and they did. 8:218 minutes, 21 secondsHollywood was built with capital, land, and legal protection. 8:298 minutes, 29 secondsOkay? In short, infrastructure equals power. And in the film industry, 8:378 minutes, 37 secondsthey became the power. 8:408 minutes, 40 secondsJust consider for a moment how quickly the industry grew. In just 20 years, it 8:488 minutes, 48 secondswent from those short five minute silent reels to featurelength productions with 8:558 minutes, 55 secondsdialogue and razledazzle and music and fanfare. Um, 9:039 minutes, 3 secondsit it moved very quickly. 9:079 minutes, 7 secondsOne important truth, something to keep in mind is Hollywood wasn't neutral. It was white, 9:169 minutes, 16 secondsit was male, and it was capital backed. 9:239 minutes, 23 secondsBlack presence in the industry was visible, 9:289 minutes, 28 secondsbut it was limited. So you saw um the servant, the butler or on the other end 9:389 minutes, 38 secondsof the spectrum people who were involved in crime and immorality, the stereotypes. 9:459 minutes, 45 secondsUm black people weren't missing necessarily, but they were locked out of 9:539 minutes, 53 secondsthe system. We'll talk a little bit more about that later. In contrast, you have Oscar Mako. 10:0210 minutes, 2 secondsHe had no studio lot. He had no patents. 10:0710 minutes, 7 secondsHe had no theater chains. And he didn't have any legal protection. Let me tell you a little bit about him. 10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsHe was born in 1884. His parents were former slaves. They moved as a part of 10:2110 minutes, 21 secondsthe great migration from Kentucky to the Chicago area, Illinois. Um his mom was a 10:3310 minutes, 33 secondsbig fan of um Booker T. Washington, you know, and she w she was in full agreement with what he 10:4210 minutes, 42 secondssaid about being educated. And of course, this is what she taught her son Oscar about. And so you'll see that in 10:5110 minutes, 51 secondshis films where you have the the educated, you have the class differences. You'll see all of that 10:5910 minutes, 59 secondsstuff in his films. Again, more about that later. Um he was one of the early 11:0711 minutes, 7 secondshomesteaders when the government was giving away land out left out west. He went ahead and he put in his bid and he got himself a plot of land in Oklahoma. 11:1911 minutes, 19 secondsand he worked the land and he proved to his neighbors because this was a community. Homesteading was a community, 11:2711 minutes, 27 secondsnot just something you did independently. He proved to his white neighbors around him that he could do this. He did it well. Now, during one hard winter where he couldn't harvest, 11:4011 minutes, 40 secondscouldn't bring in crops or anything like that, and again, that's something everyone in that area was going through at the time, not just him. He sat down 11:4811 minutes, 48 secondsand he wrote his first novel called Homesteader. It's not an autobiography, 11:5511 minutes, 55 secondsbut it is based on his experience. Um, 12:0012 minutesand he he went ahead and he self-published that, you know, he went door todo with it. Um, same thing 12:0912 minutes, 9 secondsapplied with his films. He wrote his scripts and he self- financed those films. Okay. 12:1712 minutes, 17 secondsUm, Lamel escaped Edison. Mo escaped Hollywood. 12:2612 minutes, 26 secondsHe didn't have to avoid it. He didn't have to engage with it either. 12:3112 minutes, 31 secondsWhat did he put on screen? He talked about, as I was mentioning earlier, 12:3812 minutes, 38 secondsall of the topics that were important to the black community at the time, um, like colorism, 12:4712 minutes, 47 secondspassing, tension between the classes, sexual violence, religious hypocrisy, 12:5612 minutes, 56 secondsum, migration, ambition, and moral compromise. 13:0213 minutes, 2 secondsSomething important to note, his work was not uplift only. It wasn't 13:0813 minutes, 8 secondsconsidered safe or sanitized. He was telling complex stories and censoring 13:1513 minutes, 15 secondsAfrican-American people in these stories. He wasn't trying to comfort uh 13:2213 minutes, 22 secondswhite people or um play what do you call it? Respectability politics with black 13:2913 minutes, 29 secondspeople. He was telling plain truth. This is what life looked like from the black perspective. 13:3913 minutes, 39 secondsHe wasn't alone in this pocket of independent uh film industry. 13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsThe system for black filmmakers was fragile. 13:5113 minutes, 51 secondsAnd so you had people out there who were trying to show films, who were making films. Their work, unfortunately, was not preserved. 14:0314 minutes, 3 secondsNot all of Oscar MO's work was preserved, but we have more of his films available than we do some of the other players in the industry. 14:1314 minutes, 13 secondsSome of those folks were William D. Foster. 14:1714 minutes, 17 secondsHe was a black film producer, um, owner of Lincoln Mo Motion Picture Company. 14:2414 minutes, 24 secondsUh, Sherman H. Dudley is another. He started the black theater circuit and 14:3114 minutes, 31 secondsthe black vaudeville circuit which later became the theater owners booking association 14:3914 minutes, 39 secondsalso known as Toba. Um he was key in distribution and getting these things 14:4714 minutes, 47 secondsinto uh certain spaces in black spaces. Um, 14:5414 minutes, 54 secondsOscar Mako's films were they were played in black theaters, 15:0015 minutesblackowned theaters. There weren't a lot of them, but they were played in blackowned theaters. They were played in segregated theaters. He had the support of churches, 15:1115 minutes, 11 secondslodges, community halls, and and road showings, um, screenings, excuse me. 15:1915 minutes, 19 secondsUm, another way that his films made it into the community were uh Midnight 15:2615 minutes, 26 secondsRambles, which were usually white owned theaters that would show black films after midnight so that the 15:3615 minutes, 36 secondsblack and white patrons would never meet and they didn't have to worry about hearing complaints from white patrons 15:4415 minutes, 44 secondsabout, oh my gosh, what why are these people even in this building. So those 15:5015 minutes, 50 secondsthings were were how his films made it to to the masses. Um key cities, 15:5915 minutes, 59 secondsyou hear people talk a lot about uh the Chitlin Circuit. Well, 16:0716 minutes, 7 secondsthey focused on, and when I say they, 16:0916 minutes, 9 secondsI'm talking about um oh gosh, I just lost the name. um Foster and Dudley and 16:1816 minutes, 18 secondsOscar Mako and other filmmakers of the time, you know, they focused on 16:2516 minutes, 25 secondsdistributing their films in places like Chicago, Harlem, New York City, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Kansas City, 16:3416 minutes, 34 secondsthe great migration cities because that's where we were coming from. That's where we were going to when we were 16:4216 minutes, 42 secondsmoving from the south. There were some spaces where they did show films, these black films in the south, but of course they had to be very careful about that. 16:5516 minutes, 55 secondsHollywood asks, "How do we control the market?" Oscar Mo asks, "Who already has 17:0117 minutes, 1 seconda screen actors and impact?" 17:0917 minutes, 9 secondsyou know, he started a lot of careers and I wish I wrote down the names of uh 17:1617 minutes, 16 secondssome of them, but one of the most notable, most recognized is Paul Robson. 17:2317 minutes, 23 secondsUm Paul Robson, he was a football player, of course, if you've ever heard of him, he had a magnificent singing 17:3117 minutes, 31 secondsvoice. He acted in Oscar Mico's film Body and Soul 1925. 17:4017 minutes, 40 secondsIt was a dual role. So he played both a preacher and a con man in this film about moral complexity. 17:5117 minutes, 51 secondsDoes that sound familiar? Sinners. Anybody? Yeah. He did it first before Michael B. 17:5917 minutes, 59 secondsJordan. Why does this matter? Again, this story challenged stereotypes. 18:0718 minutes, 7 secondsIt addressed themes of race, morality, 18:1118 minutes, 11 secondsstruggles of the black community, and of course, it did it from the black perspective, 18:1918 minutes, 19 secondsblack audience. What What did he make possible with this? Why did this film matter so much? because his films and he 18:2818 minutes, 28 secondsdid over 40 in his career trained the expectations of the black 18:3518 minutes, 35 secondscommunity. What they should expect from black stardom. It normalized seeing black people on film. And again, 18:4518 minutes, 45 secondsnot being the stereotype, but being professionals, 18:5118 minutes, 51 secondsnot living in a shack somewhere, but living in the big city and having careers and things like that. Um, think 19:0019 minutesabout actors and actresses like Lena Horn, 19:0519 minutes, 5 secondsDorothy Dandridge, and Harab Bella Fonte. They were some of the the the 19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsfolks that took on complex roles laid complex roles later on in in black film history. He didn't launch their careers, 19:2319 minutes, 23 secondsbut he did make them possible by laying the groundwork. 19:3119 minutes, 31 secondsHow many films are left? A lot of his films are lost. Um, like I mentioned, he 19:3919 minutes, 39 secondsI think he did 44 films in his career. 19:4619 minutes, 46 secondsAnd this right here is what's left of his film collection. I believe this is 15 19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsof his films. Um, Within Our Gates is one. I did watch that one. It's actually 20:0220 minutes, 2 secondsvery good. Um, this was done in 1920 and it's 73 minutes long, but that one again covers those themes of migration. Um, 20:1520 minutes, 15 secondsand actually one of the things that he focused on in that film was a woman's ability to choose and move freely. Um, 20:2520 minutes, 25 secondsso if you haven't get this collection, check that film out. But again, 20:3320 minutes, 33 secondshis films really spoke to the community. Okay? And 20:4020 minutes, 40 secondswhen you think about how come so many of his films were lost, how come we don't have any of Dudley or Fosters's work, 20:4820 minutes, 48 secondsit's not because they didn't matter. 20:5220 minutes, 52 secondsIt's because preservation follows power. 20:5820 minutes, 58 secondsThink of it this way. How many how many films can you think of that are when 21:0421 minutes, 4 secondstheir their titles are called it's like oh yes this is pinnacle great film th 21:1221 minutes, 12 secondsthis goes down in film history this is a must-see film this is you know 21:1821 minutes, 18 secondsdefinitely something that framed or shaped culture um those films are 21:2721 minutes, 27 secondsprotected and I'm pretty sure if you start running them back in your mind. 21:3121 minutes, 31 secondsWhen I when I hear it, I think of um like the Woody Allen films, Martin Scorsesei films. People will hold those 21:3821 minutes, 38 secondsin high standards. Those films by those uh writer, directors, producers will be 21:4621 minutes, 46 secondsupheld and preserved. We'll have them forever. 21:5121 minutes, 51 secondsUm they're protected, 21:5521 minutes, 55 secondsthey're preserved, and they're celebrated. Film history isn't neutral, 22:0222 minutes, 2 secondsit's curated. 22:0522 minutes, 5 secondsJust kind of let that sit with you for a minute. 22:1122 minutes, 11 secondsEven though Oscar Mako doesn't get mentioned at as much in film conversations, 22:1822 minutes, 18 secondsthere are many beneficiaries of the road that he built. Um, again, think about Ava Duivere, 22:2722 minutes, 27 secondsIssa Ray, Jordan Peele. Um, they all have ownership archives of their own 22:3522 minutes, 35 secondswork. Um they've done things like they build on smaller platforms first and 22:4222 minutes, 42 secondsthen present like it's you know she started with um Awkward Black Girl and 22:5022 minutes, 50 secondsrolled that into a television series eventually. And you have Jordan Peele um 22:5622 minutes, 56 secondswho he has narrative control over his work. he can decide these themes and even if people don't get it, he's not 23:0523 minutes, 5 secondslocked in again to being a stereotypical um filmmaker where he can only focus on the hardships 23:1423 minutes, 14 secondsof black life. No, he gets into some real cerebral stuff. Okay. Um and and 23:2323 minutes, 23 secondsthis isn't important. He he didn't choose he didn't chase Hollywood. He he was well aware that 23:3123 minutes, 31 secondsthey're not going to let me into those gates. 23:3523 minutes, 35 secondsI have to create my own path. He built endurance. 23:4223 minutes, 42 secondsSo with that in mind, and you can share your thoughts on this down in the comments, 23:4923 minutes, 49 secondswhat does it mean to create when the system isn't built for you? I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. What 23:5823 minutes, 58 secondsdoes it mean to create when the system isn't built for you? 24:0324 minutes, 3 secondsOscar Mako in film history is not a footnote. He is the foundation 24:1024 minutes, 10 secondsfor what we know as the black film industry now. 24:1624 minutes, 16 secondsSo tell me again, share your thoughts on this one. If Oscar Mah were alive today, 24:2424 minutes, 24 secondswould he join Hollywood or do you think he would still continue to build something of his own? Let me know what you think. 24:3424 minutes, 34 secondsOkay. 24:3624 minutes, 36 secondsOne of the things that I keep coming back to with Oscar Mako is that he didn't want to be validated. 24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsHe wasn't worried about being on um the Paramount Star system. He wasn't 24:5024 minutes, 50 secondslooking for the the the awards. He wanted to talk to his people and he did that. He didn't wait for permission. He 24:5824 minutes, 58 secondsdidn't wait for the resources. He didn't wait for history to catch up. He just created. 25:0725 minutes, 7 secondsAnd that's what we do here at Movies That Move We. That's what we're really about. The stories that move us because they remind us of what is possible. 25:2025 minutes, 20 secondsSo, thank you for joining me and spending time with me today. Um, if this episode moved you, share it with someone who loves film history. And, you know, 25:3225 minutes, 32 secondsdon't forget to share, follow, subscribe to our pages on YouTube and Facebook. 25:3825 minutes, 38 secondsYou can find us at Movies That Move Wee. 25:4325 minutes, 43 secondsI'm Nay. This has been Movies That Move Wee, and we'll see you next time. Bye. MY THOUGHTS 2:44 thank you for saying it started in New York city, many don't know that. 5:23 I wonder what zukor will think to paramount today 5:58 Lamel made, Universal city, so in the end, the movie industry moved west to get as far from Edison or New York City as possible. 6:37 Fox created the proper business model, you need to own theaters to make money. 6:55 Mayer supported the star system. 7:07 Mary Pickford was connected. 8:37 good point on infrastructure. 10:46 thanks for informing about his mom who was a philosophical adherent of booker t Washington, thus he supported black strength in his films, but it wasn't anti white as much as anti "negative behavior" 12:27 I knew Micheaux self published, in Japan called Doujinshi, but I love hearing it. 13:17 good point, like booker t Washington, he wasn't trying to comfort whites or blacks, but telling the truth while supporting black empowerment. 14:17 William d foster [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_D._Foster ] , Sherman h Dudley, theater owners booking association toba [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_H._Dudley ] 17:23 thank you for mentioning PAul Robeson started with an OScar Micheaux film. 18:49 and also integrated. The key is not merely showing Black positive lives, but showing black positive lives while in the environment of the USA. my comment thank you for mentioning PAul Robeson started with an OScar Micheaux film. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_and_Soul_(1925_film) ] hahaha Sinners! well done. and spencer williams [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_of_Jesus ] Thinking on Nollywood, I wonder. As a Booker T Washington philosophical adherent, he would be pro USA. But, when you look at Nollywood, to be blunt, it is the biggest Black film industry in humanity. Bigger than the black film industry in south america/north america/southern asia. Posse/Daughters of the Dust/Within Our Gates/ Emitai/ Ceddo are the first films that come to my mind with your question of films that need to be preserved. Now I want to say I am lucky, I remember seeing Within Our Gates when it was first refurbished. A black film organization exist in harlem that shared it. and I will tell you that most of the people in that showing were black. They existed in the Adam Clayton Powell state office building. What does it mean to create when the system/environment is opposed to you as a creator or anything you create? hmmmm,I always say the following, growing up as a kid, I recall so many books about black fantasy, not just history. Many black people... descended of enslaved or not, can recall biographies. And nothing is wrong with biographies. But I recall as a very little boy, thick books on black dos mythology, Haitian mythology, African myths, fables. I didn't just grow up learning about Madame CJ Walker side Malcolm side KWame Nkrumah side Ida B Wells...I learned about High John, The Devils Daughter, John Henry, Brer Rabbit. My point being, creating is a way to continue your heritage, what you carry side who you are. And if you don't create, you risk your heritage dying and future cultures, what people grow, being absent. Creating is everything when it comes to artistic expression of self. When you create in an environment opposed to you creating, it is more than just an artistic challenge. Creating in an environment supporting you creating is a blissful thing. Underrated often in how valuable it is, how emboldening it is. When you look at white film makers you see this. Whites could present their false narratives of the south , as supported creators. But when you are not supported in the environment you live in, you are making a specific statement. Said specific statement is, even though you are against me.. you have more power than me... I exist and I will not cower or delete my identity because I have impotencies. It is interesting, because someone like Marcus Garvey will say it is better to find a supportive environment than create in an unsupportive one. and I concur to garvey, he is correct. It is unwise to create ... exist, in an environment opposed to you. But what Micheaux displays, what all black filmmakers in the USA display, is what W.E.B. Dubois/ Booker T Washington/ Frederick Douglass all embodied or worked for. That even though a passion/suffering will happen when one creates in an environment opposed to one self, it is more valuable to create in an environment opposed to you creating to define not only yourself but to make a call, legally or militaristically impotent as it may be, to demand change to the environment that opposes. And that call has a power/value that can reach to a future with greater impotency than militaries or laws. If Oscar Micheaux were alive today would he join Hollywood or would he do his own? Micheaux would be independent. He would be an independent creator. I think he would also embrace internationalism in all earnest. I think he would learn languages to be into the film industries that don't speak English. COMMENTARIES https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12582-have-you-seen-within-our-gates-from-oscar-micheaux/#findComment-80617 osted just now @aka Contrarian Micheaux never did mammy figures or tragic mulattoes or righteous reverend figures, in any of his films i saw. he did evil tricksters, but they were rarely pantomime and he did romantic leads, but they were human men. Check out within our gates in the main post, it is free to view , you will see https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12582-have-you-seen-within-our-gates-from-oscar-micheaux/#findComment-80622 osted just now @aka Contrarian well you know that most of Marcheaux's films , over ninety percent , have never been seen by anyone alive. So unfortunately, we only have a small section of films to view, and of the ones that are around today don't show those characterizations. I am not even certain all of Marcheaux's films are known. MAny have cited a list but ... unfortunately, absent a time machine, marcheaux's work like black descended of enslaved history from the early nineteen hundreds to fourteen ninety two is eternally incomplete. Yes, all the black pantomime characters come from white theater. Jim Crow itself is a pantomime character. Before movies, theater plays plus recorded music was the prime media tools and were very commercial. Race music was huge, al jolsten was a white jew but the larger industry of race music/race theater, which had black writers like joplin, was huge in the united states of america. Such that when films come about they took the pantomime black characters from stage and music of the late eighteen hundreds, and put them on screen. The interesting historical process for me is the analogous existence of Black fictional slave works, like clotel linked below, alongside the black pantomime. The black late 1800s fiction is of fictional slave narratives. High John was still popular as a fable, and high john's nemesis is literally Massa, a white man with bone white skin with bone white clothes. Clotel to me is a fictional account but a pure indictment on the white populace of the usa. To restate, black late eighteen hundreds fiction arguably makes pantomime white villains/criminals/baddies. Oscar Micheaux emitted the vibe of the black written fictional slave narratives. The white late 1800s fiction is of fictional slaver narratives. The films birth of a nation, gone with the wind, song of the south all reflect late eighteen hundreds white fictional slaver fiction literally made as a reply to black late 1800s fictional slave narratives. And yes, in modernity, both late 1800s genres are no longer highly read or known or ... majority popular. Both fictions were highly popular among the phenotypical groups they were made for with some crossover fans but blacks seemed to dislike the black fictional slave narratives as a genre. Whites slowly lost taste with the white fictional slaver narrative. The question is why did Blacks dislike the black fictional slave narrative genre. Arguably the first fiscally successful genre in the usa. https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/496-clotel-or-the-presidents-daughter-a-narrative-of-slave-life-in-the-united-states-by-william-well-brown/ https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/495-le-mulâtre-from-victor-séjour-two-versions-split-by-an-essay/ https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12582-have-you-seen-within-our-gates-from-oscar-micheaux/#findComment-80636 osted just now @ProfD 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Films depicting slavery aren't going to be very popular. Mainly because it des not make people feel better about themselves. Entertainment is a form of escapism not intended to cause depression. You sound like a very good friend of mine, a director, he always says, entertainment is to escape and I always tell him hogwash. I have never felt that way with entertainment, especially growing up. I have never wanted to be anyone but me, I like myself. II have never wanted to live anywhere than the harlem of yore that is now long gone. Now I admit, maybe having a loving home with both my parents in a small section of harlem that was happy/peaceful/black empowered meant I didn't feel bad about my home or the local area I live in the world. and thus no need to escape. As a brother of mine said, to a parent, maybe he is happy at home. It took me years to comprehend how fortunate I was. If anything the fact that so many people in the usa, a country whose majority populace in modernity is descended on uninvited or unwanted people from the first peoples who came to this country to be happy as they were unhappy wherever they were from, find escapism through entertainment says alot about the ability of immigrants to find happiness in the usa. When I first saw within our gates I wasn't depressed, I was interested. When I read poetry or stories in my contest/ challenges I am not looking to escape or be made to smile, I want to comprehend what the artists is saying. When I look at music, I never forget, mahalia jackson saying she would rather sing gospel than the blues cause she would rather be uplifted than sad and ... I call feces on that. I love black music, all of it, from various corners of the world and all the genres born in the land that is today the united states of america. Not all blues is sad. And mahalia should had known that. But, to your point Profd, mahalia jackson was making the same case , saying blues music is the same as fictional slave narratives, too sad, too negative, thus the need to escape, the truth, escape the things people don't want to hear or read or see because they remind them of reality that they don't want to deal with. Better to sing gospel, and not see the truth of the usa or your peoples place in it. Better to see the huxtable clan whom have none of the problems ninety percent of black people have than to see sanford and son. Even though as red fox said correctly, all black shows are dishonest, including sanford. But then, we have in the same black populace, black people saying how black people need to want to be president and ceo and all of this stuff. I think the entertainment black people like over the years is telling to our mental states as a collective. Thank you for your answer, I think , your 100% correct. I didn't want to face the answer is as simple as dismissal of certain aspects in the arts... maybe my variance is i look at things as the arts not exactly entertainment, if something I find funny happens I will laugh but I don't need to laugh de facto ... anyway, I think its interesting. PRofd, isn't it a thoughtful dichotomy. Black people in majority have never been happy in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it , at any time including modernity, and yet, blacks went from enjoying fictional slave narratives as the most popular black fiction, to now in modernity not wanting any mention of enslavement in any fiction. The same black people who will say love the usa and their forebears died for them to be president, will then dismiss seeing enslaved to whites, black children tortured by whites in media. To me, that says they are lying to themselves. I start with myself, if I didn't know any black history as a child, my parents for whatever reason didn't tell me the truth, provide me books with the truth , and I was just presented escapisms, I imagine my whole stance toward the usa would be different today than what it is. As a tutor I always told the children the truth, about everything. And this post has made me think about some of the other adults one time. I didn't think on it then but now I see why they looked at me a certain way... Thank you again. .. I realize now how many black people don't get black truth in their fiction, in their learning. It seems like many black adults want black children to be adults, circa twenty, before black truth is given... and this isn't something derived from whites, this is a black heritage. I must admit , this topic has aided me in something, hmm thank you 3 hours ago, ProfD said: Well, the archaeologists had to dig up Within Our Gates from a Spanish copy of the film. They had to edit to clean up/fix & translate it back to English. Do you know the spanish subtitle for Within our gates is La Negra, the black woman. It is so basic, and a little crude and yet telling. Though I must admit the real story is how a copy of the film found its way to somewhere in spain. @aka Contrarian 3 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: @richardmurray: this same TV channel that I mentioned watching (back in the 1960's) showed old black movies from the past that did feature the stereo-typical black characters I mentioned. That's how l became aware of them. And they were "talkie" movies, not pantomimed, filmed during the late 1920s and early 1930s by black movie producers, lesser known than Oscar Marcheaux. Incidentally, the acting was very amateurish and stilted, the sound and camera work of poor quality. Even so, they were treasures which I hope are stored away in vaults somewhere. well yes I know what you speak. That is why i mentioned scott joplin, i love his rag works, but he did race music and it was very financially profitable for him. My point being... The hsitory of black comedians of the usa warrants a whole history section in the history of entertainment. You have whites who historically are most entertained by blacks or whites mocking blacks... immitation/bufoonery/jestering... the cakewalk started on plantations with black people mocking whites for a piece of cake. So whites historically love to be entertained, ala, made to laugh by blacks in the usa. Then you have especailly in the jim crow era, 1865 to 1980, blacks who increasingly want to escape as Profd said correctly. This leads to black entertainers developing to serve both audiences an interesting style. magical bufoonery. But yes, Michaeux was an outlier, but he also owned his own more than most black entertainers/filmmakers. @admin please share what you think after you view it, I want to know. URL- only an excerpt 'Within Our Gates': The only copy of the oldest African-American film was hidden in Spain as 'La negra' | Culture | EL PAÍS https://elpais.com/cultura/2021-11-09/la-unica-copia-de-la-pelicula-afroamericana-mas-antigua-se-encontraba-en-espana-escondida-como-la-negra.html Wayback machine full version https://web.archive.org/web/20211109050628/https://elpais.com/cultura/2021-11-09/la-unica-copia-de-la-pelicula-afroamericana-mas-antigua-se-encontraba-en-espana-escondida-como-la-negra.html The only copy of the oldest African-American film was hidden in Spain as 'La negra' 'Within Our Gates', the original title of Oscar Micheaux's film released in 1920, was kept at the Filmoteca, where it will be screened tomorrow, Wednesday, and was returned to the United States in the nineties A moment from the film 'La negra', directed by Oscar Micheaux and released in 1920. Elsa Fernández-Santos Madrid - 08 Nov 2021 - 03:53 CET In a letter dated July 23, 1979, one of the highest authorities on African-American cinema, Thomas Cripps, expressed his enthusiasm to one of the heads of the Spanish Film Archive, Catherine Gautier, for what seemed to be the discovery of a lost relic of the history of cinema. Gautier, a legendary programmer for more than four decades, had shown him the copy weeks earlier in Madrid and Cripps had come to the conclusion that the material could correspond to Within Our Gates, by the pioneering black filmmaker Oscar Micheaux. The film had been born as a response to the racism of D. W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation, but neither whites nor blacks liked it. After its premiere in Chicago, it began to be censored or ignored until its only four copies were lost. One of them, however, travelled to Spain in the fifties where it was preserved under the title La negra or La negressa. After traveling to Madrid and seeing the material in a moviola, Cripps informed Gautier that it could be three different titles by Micheaux in which actors, "a black informant" and the obsession with the culture of lynching, something recurrent in his films since he himself had witnessed a famous case as a child, that of Leo Frank, a young Jew who was the victim of a human pack that accused him of the murder of a minor whom he never killed. The three films were The Gunsaulus Mystery, from 1921, Lem Hawkins' Confession, from 1935 or, the one that finally was, the oldest of all, Within Our Gates, released on January 12, 1920. Considered a National Asset, the film rescued in Spain is available on the internet, and can be seen tomorrow Wednesday as part of a cycle organized by the Filmoteca and the Reina Sofía entitled, Black Films Matter. After a long process, La negra passed into the hands of the American Film Institute. In 1993, it was restored by the Library of Congress, returning the intertitles from Spanish to English and, with the help of some of Micheaux's books, reinterpreting the dialogues in slang. "We did an exchange for Sierra de Teruel [by André Malraux, with a screenplay by Max Aub]," recalls Catherine Gautier. "I was in charge of relations with the other film libraries, where we looked for materials that we didn't have by Buñuel. We sent the first positive test to the United States in 1988. The internegative, a year later. They were excited, the film became a success." Micheaux was attracted to interracial conflicts and used to reverse roles in his films. In Within Our Gates, it is a gossipy servant who causes the misunderstanding that ends with an older and innocent marriage on the gallows. They are the adoptive parents of the protagonist of the film, a mulatto, the black woman of the title, played by Evelyn Peers. The young woman has had the privilege of studying and in the first shot of the film, she appears dressed in white and reading in a flirtatious living room in a city in the north of the United States. She is a black woman with privileges, who defends the right to education and the vote of her own but who hides a traumatic past. The entire final part of the film is a long and dramatic flashback in the Mississippi Delta. There, on the plantation where their adoptive parents lived, the protagonist helps them add and subtract their savings so that they can collect from the boss without being deceived. From the beginning of the footage, Micheaux refers to lynchings, from which he does not even save the abolitionist North. The owner of the plantation is presented as a tyrant, hated by whites and blacks, to whom his slanderous and drunken servant goes with stories of the other blacks who aspire to have an education. In the film they try to lynch four people, the only one who escapes death is a child, the protagonist's younger brother, who manages to flee. The noose around the neck is only explicitly seen in a dream of the gossipy servant, who also ends up beaten by the mob. The terrible sequence of the old couple executed closes with an ellipsis in which we only see how the rope on which they have been hanged is cut. To top off the horror, there is also an attempted rape, of such realism that actress Evelyn Peers remembered the sequence years later as the best and most brutal of her career. It is in this attempted rape that the origins of the character will be clarified, who her real father was and why she, unlike others, had agreed to an education. Churches and film clubs Within Our Gates was released in Chicago and Detroit in 1920, but the screenings began to be increasingly conflicting and the film stopped circulating in the main market to move only in churches and film clubs. Micheaux's style, who went on to shoot 40 more films always on the margins of the industry, is intense and at the same time sloppy, a disjointed editing that for some analysts responds to the style of improvised jazz. In any case, the film we know today is incomplete. The nitrate copy that arrived in Spain in 1956 was sold to the Filmoteca in a lot that includes titles such as La cabrita tira al monte, Pilar Guerra or a short film by Félix el Gato. Its price was 4,000 pesetas. "The Filmoteca bought the nitrate copy from Manuel Rabanal Taylor, who was national head of the SEU film clubs," explains Laura Carrillo Caminal, head of the Documentation and Cataloguing Service. "Subsequently, in 1961, the Arroyo laboratories were commissioned to produce a negative duplicate and a new 35 mm copy on acetate support, which was a non-flammable support and therefore safer. These commissions to the laboratory were, and are, common in the Filmoteca as part of its conservation policy. The original copy is not preserved, it would probably be lost because it is in poor condition." Writer, director, producer and distributor, the figure of Micheaux has not ceased to gain relevance in recent times. The recently opened Academy Museum in Hollywood, in Los Angeles, has made questionable museological decisions by minimizing the figure of the great patriarch of cinema, D. W. Griffith, for the Southern exaltation of The Birth of a Nation. While tiptoeing around the man who according to Eisenstein taught everything "to everyone", author of Broken Lilies or Intolerance, the focus is on Micheaux's work and his cinema through extensive documentation that situates the context in which Within Our Gates was shot and released and why it is considered a response to racism in The Birth of a Nation, whose premiere in 1915 provoked protests from the African-American community. "Micheaux's importance as the first great African-American filmmaker cannot be underestimated," explains Zoran Sinobad, curator and head of film at the Library of Congress. "Not only was he the first African-American to direct feature films, but he was also the first whose films were screened in white theaters. This is especially important in the context of his work's commitment to racial injustice, a theme that was virtually non-existent on American screens in the 1920s. Micheaux was a groundbreaking filmmaker whose films challenged the stereotypical representations of black men and women that were prevalent in Hollywood at the time and provided a uniquely black perspective on race and life in the United States." The Black Films Matter cycle that La Filmoteca and the Museo Reina Sofía present this month and which will last through December and January, aims to "give voice and space" to a series of filmmakers whose works have hardly been seen in Spain or Europe. [ https://www.museoreinasofia.es/actividad/black-films-matter ] The films of "pioneers such as Micheaux and Zora Neale Hurston; champions of race films such as Spencer Williams; revolutionaries such as Melvin van Peebles, Charles Burnett or Cheryl Dunye". All of them, fundamental names in the construction of an identity whose struggle to break with stereotypes was born in a film that chance brought to Spain. Museo reina sofia of spain Black Films MAtter BLACK FILMS MATTER (1920-2020) Date and time Held on 10 Nov 2021 Yes, black film matters. From the oldest surviving feature film directed by a black filmmaker, Within Our Gates (1920) by Oscar Micheaux, to the frenetic contemporary proposals of Arthur Jafa in the Trump era, this cycle proposes a journey through the American independent black film and does so in an anthological retrospective organized by the Reina Sofía Museum and the Spanish Film Archive that, For the first time, it brings together a century of films directed solely by African-American filmmakers. With this essential condition, the cycle seeks to avoid the racial stereotypes in representation that characterized, in the past, the work of legendary black actors and actresses. Some thirty sessions – during two months of programming – claim and tell another great story of this medium in the United States, which places at the center the subaltern and resistant gaze of the black minority. A story that obeys one of the most urgent and necessary desires throughout an entire century: that of the struggle for life. As filmmaker Arthur Jafa and philosopher Fred Moten remind us, it is possible to make film noir with the same power, beauty and alienation of black music. Both have a common aspect: not obeying rules but undoing them and recombining them in an improvisatory logic that animates blues, jazz, hip-hop or house, but also the images and sounds of black film. The route cannot, therefore, be traced chronologically and linearly, but in a spiral and with leaps back and forth, in a syncopated composition that governs the dialogues between the projections of both venues. The programming, far from the canon or the emblem, proposes a story based on film manifestations that do not deal externally or observationally with the black population, but are made by this same community that shows their way of life and unique experience. BLACK FILMS MATTER (1920-2020) is, therefore, a cycle of singular films with resonances and confluences between them, rather than a theoretical program. It consists of various sessions that, as units of meaning, give underlying shape to this beat of films. In this way, archaeology is made of the pioneers of cinema, including the films of the first African-American directors in history, Oscar Michaux and Zora Neale Hurston. These are the so-called race films of the early twentieth century, an alternative industry that developed in the silent period and that still remains unknown due to its enormous potential for destabilization. In this way, Oscar Micheaux's Within Our Gates is an anti-racist response to the aberrant xenophobic monumentality of D.W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation (1915), a milestone in the orthodox histories of cinema. After this period, we connect with the emergence of black consciousness and the civil rights movements of the 1960s and 1970s, characterized by the insurgency of the Black Power movement and the LA Rebellion, collectives where film giants such as Charles Burnett, Melvin van Peebles or Billy Woodberry stand out. In turn, the politics of difference unite feminism, blackness, and queer identities in the work of Julie Dash, Cheryl Dunye, and Cauleen Smith. There is also room for a popular street cinema in the cycle, which addresses the neighborhood as territory and battlefield, as is the case with the films of Spike Lee, Gordon Parks, Michael Schulz or John Singleton, aimed at a new specifically black mass audience, a "counter-audience" that transforms American entertainment cinema. The sessions by contemporary artists, which feature Kevin Jerome Everson, Arthur Jafa and Kara Walker, function as counterpoints – regardless of a chronology – that return to foundational moments of black film, such as the origins of the pioneers or the revolts of the 1960s and 1970s. The program seeks to reintegrate these historical genealogies into a contemporary Black consciousness that incorporates the past while being able to manifest today, in unison with one of the great social movements and hopes of our time, Black Lives Matter, that Black lives (and the cinema that inhabits them) matter. Program Wednesday, November 10, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second pass: session 30. Screening and closing concert with The Silent Entertainers Band. Thursday, January 20 and Saturday, January 22, 2022 / Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 1. Pioneers I Thursday, November 11, 2021 - 5:00 p.m. / Second screening: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 2. Pioneers II Friday, November 12, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Saturday, December 18, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website / Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 3. Kara Walker Saturday, November 13, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second screening: Friday, December 17, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 4. Melvin Van Peebles Sunday, November 14, 2021 - 5:00 p.m. / Second screening: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 5. L.A. Rebellion I. Don Amis and Charles Burnett Monday, November 15, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Sunday, December 5, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website / Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 6. Julie Dash Tuesday, November 16, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second screening: Monday, December 27, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 7. Pioneers III Wednesday, November 17, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Friday, December 3, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website / Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 8. Kevin Jerome Everson Thursday, November 18, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website / Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 9. Pioneers IV Friday, November 19, 2021 - 5:00 p.m. / Second screening: Thursday, December 23, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 10. Pioneers V Saturday, November 20, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second screening: Friday, December 10, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 11. Gordon Parks Sunday, November 21, 2021 - 5:00 p.m. / Second screening: Sunday, November 28, 2021 - 12:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 12. Michael Schultz Monday, November 22, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Thursday, December 9, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 13. Pioneers VI Tuesday, November 23, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second screening: Sunday, December 5, 2021 - 12:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 14. Pioneers VII Wednesday, November 24, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Saturday, December 4, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 15. Bill Gunn Thursday, November 25, 2021 - 7:30 p.m. / Second screening: Monday, December 13, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 16. Ivan Dixon Saturday, November 27, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Thursday, December 23, 2021 - check schedule on the website of the Spanish Film Archive Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema Session 17. Larry Bullard and Carolyn Y. Johnson Saturday, November 27, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second screening: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 18. Spike Lee Sunday, November 28, 2021 - 5:00 p.m. / Second screening: Sunday, December 19, 2021 - 12:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 19. John Singleton Monday, November 29, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Saturday, December 11, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 20. Stephen Winter Tuesday, November 30, 2021 - 9:00 p.m. / Second screening: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 21. Cheryl Dunye Thursday, December 2, 2021 – 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Sunday, December 26, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 22. L.A. Rebellion II. Haile Gerima Friday, December 3, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 - check schedule on the website of the Spanish Film Archive Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema Session 23. L.A. Rebellion III. Larry Clark Monday, December 6, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. / Second screening: Friday, December 10, 2021 - check schedule on the website of Filmoteca Española Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 24. Cauleen Smith Tuesday, December 21, 2021 - check schedule on the Spanish Film Archive website / Second screening: Friday, January 14, 2022 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 25. Feminist Short Films Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website / Second screening: Saturday, December 11, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Cine Doré / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 26. Arthur Jafa Tuesday, December 14, 2021 - check schedule on the Spanish Film Archive website / Second screening: Saturday, January 15, 2022 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 27. Kathleen Collins Sunday, December 12, 2021 - 12:00 / Second screening: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 - check schedule on the Filmoteca Española website Museo Reina Sofía, Sabatini Building, Auditorium / Second screening: Filmoteca Española, Cine Doré Session 28. L.A. Rebellion IV. Billy Woodberry Sunday, December 19, 2021 - check schedule on the Spanish Film Archive website / Second screening: Monday, December 20, 2021 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 29. Gordon Parks Thursday, January 20, 2022 - check schedule on the Spanish Film Archive website / Second screening: Saturday, January 22, 2022 - 6:00 p.m. Spanish Film Archive, Doré Cinema / Second screening: Reina Sofía Museum, Sabatini Building, Auditorium Session 30. Screening and closing concert with The Silent Entertainers Band https://vimeo.com/640315746?fl=pl&fe=sh 03142026 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12582-have-you-seen-within-our-gates-from-oscar-micheaux/#findComment-80649 osted just now @aka Contrarian 14 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: @richardmurrayI watched "Within Our Gates" and fully appreciated it for what it was. In fact, it inspired me to do some research on Oscar Micheaux because I was both curious and confused about him, even misspelling his name. I was, however, vaguely familiar with him which was why I was of the opinion that it must've been his movies that I was seeing quite a while back on a local TV channel that did not run them in prime time but instead put them on during the early afternoon, almost as if to fill in empty air space like the wrestling matches and The Liberace Show did back during the early days of TV. This would mean that my seeing these old films must've been back in the 1950s. Anyway, I learned, to my surprise, that Oscar Micheaux was born in 1884 in Metropolis, Illinois, a town I know of because I had friends from there, and that he died in 1951, so he was alive during my life time. I watched a couple of short YouTube videos about him and have concluded that at least some of those sound movies I was watching back then were ones produced by him later in his career. Finally, imo, some of the stereotypes I previously mentioned did appear in Micheaux's "Beyond the Gates". Certainly Sylvia Landry, the lovelorn heroine of "Within Our Gates, was a "tragic mulatto" whose real father was white and whose black adoptive parents were lynched, her adoptive and nurturing mother, Mattie, being a "Mammy" figure, and the wicked Larry, brother-in-law of Sylvia's cousin, being a villainous "Trickster", while the tattle tale Ephraim, was the "Coon" figure. The minister Jacobs, who ran a school for black children, represented the "Righteous Reverend"and Dr. Vivian, who falls in love with Sylvia, represented the "romantic hero". These personifications, rather than being pantomimed degrading figures, were transformed in "Within Our Gates", and I suspect the improved versions, like the film itself, were used to counteract the negative caricatures that "The Birth of a Nation" depicted. My introduction to Micheaux was probably about 70 years ago and I'm curious if those films I remember seeing were lost and no longer exist since the claim is being made that this movie is the last of its kind in existence. Btw, I also beg to disagree with your classifying the Cakewalk as a form of buffoon mockery. It was actually an elegant, joyful, high-stepping dance where couples competed against each other, with the winner being awarded the prize of a cake! Nor were minstrel shows totally without merit. They show cased sly humor, buck dancing and banjo artistry among other things. I mention this because there was a time when black Masons would stage their own minstrel shows and, having seen one put on by my father's lodge when I was a young girl in the 1940s, I remember being rather proud that my dad, was a member of a barbershop quartet that performed in a show his Masonic lodge staged. Just some thoughts... Expand Lovely thoughts, thank you for sharing them:) Well use of the word personifications, in that true persons change are not pantomime. Sylvia a true mulatto, definitely goes through trials or tribulations but she isn't tragic cause she wins in the end. She isn't clotel. Mattie is motherly, in the same way Mammy's are, but Mattie is a black woman married to a black man raising a black child... when a black maid is motherly to a white child that is the mammy figure, it isn't a black woman being motherly to a black child, that is expected? right? The landrys are both hanged and burned alive for a crime they didn't commit. hahaha LArry is the trickster, I admit he doesn't change. If anything he is the one true caricature. and Micheaux being like Pioneer:) one of these law abiding blacks, criminalizes black street people. All of larry's crimes are financial, none are violent. but yeah, larry is the pantomime black trickster, but knowing what I know of micheaux that makes sense. I as a writer don't view black hustlers negatively so... Efram wasn't the coon for one reason, in the film, he recants his actions in a confession to the audience so to speak. yes, he is the prototypical coon figure gestures, talk and all, BUT unlike most coon figures, he gets killed by whites, which is a very rare touch. even among black writers, they rarely give "black traitors" aka coons the death that micheax gave efram. People remember samuel l jackson's characters death in django, but he is murdered by a black man, django, Oscar micheaux murders his coon, efram through the true subjects whites, displaying the simple truth that whites are the enemy of blacks folks, whether the honorable, loving, law abiding Landry's or the lying, self hating scheming eframs. But the key is that efram confesses he hates himself, confesses he is wrong which is very rare in film, even black written films. And your correct, the Rev is the "righteous reverend" and Dr.."good hero" But at least with the rev. he is actually challenged. when sylvia rebukes his offer of marriage, that is a real test that again, so few righteous reverends have in many stories. to be challenged is key to testing the identity. but the doctor is an evergood hero:) which ok:) I wish I could see a complete version of symbol fo the unconquered. The partial I placed below. I think it is a response to birth of a nation, not within our gates. Why do I say this? In a general sense, because all of Micheaux's work involve the south plus black people and they are not like in griffith's film, they are all partially a response to birth of a nation, on a mere stylistic point. But in terms of agrarian fantasies, i argue, symbol of the unconquered is more of an agrarian fantasy which is what birth of a nation is, than within our gates. Birth of the nation is dismissive of the usa outside of the south, in birth of a nation the usa outside of the south, doesn't functionally exist. In that way, within our gates isn't a reply. Within our gates is very much holistic. It is showing black unity between blacks outside the south and to the south. Sylvia makes it where the black school in the south will thrive/survive/live but she lives in the north, has found love in the north, fled the south because of white terror, but doesn't ask other black people to leave the south. Within our gates i argue is more holistic to the usa. that complete nature is absent in birth of a nation. But symbol of the unconquered is all about black homesteaders. It is focused on a specific area in the usa like birth of a nation. And like birth of a nation has straight messages about certain persons or groups. Whereas the KKK is heroic supporting the traditions of the south in birth of a nation, the kkk is a terrorist illegal operating organization in symbol of the unconquered. whereas "birth's" female lead is so negatively biased she can jump off of a cliff to her death rather than be violated. the female lead in "symbol"fights through wind and rain and storms, to get her land. can be frightened but will never go to her death from fear. yeah, well , even though I don't prefer comedy usually, i think comedy is the art form most in need in the usa at all times, this countries history doesn't yield to seriousness well. lovely thought, thank you for sharing them 03152026 https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12582-have-you-seen-within-our-gates-from-oscar-micheaux/#findComment-80716 osted just now @Pioneer1 my pleasure, check out more films and content https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/677-oscar-devereaux-micheaux-books-plus-films/ @Troy ah cool:) some of the elements of within our gates are still rare to see. a black character who is publicly antiblack and confesses to it with shame before being killed by nonblacks, very rare to see //read/hear today in anything with a budget and getting paid to be made, even among black produced/financed work. the relationship between north and south black regions in the usa, the lead female character does not like the south for multiple reasons and yet still helps the black populace in the south , I recall I mentioned in the past how many fiscally wealthy blacks who live outside the former confederacy have never paid for one person to go to one historical black college or universtiy (HBCU) even demanded all the people they have paid college for get money only if they go to a hbcu.

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3. Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We -01/2/2025
   

   Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We -01/2/2025

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   Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We -01/2/2025 my thoughts and trasncript + video https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2835&type=status my thoughts 1932 to 1972 the Tuskegee experiment went on. I learned of Tuskegee in the home and community centers at elementary age and in high school in the educational system. ... I remember a scene in the film Giant 1956 when the character played by rock Hudson says to the character played by Elizabeth taylor that the white doctor of the family is not for public use or use for other people, other people in this case were Mexican immigrants in Texas. That scene encapsulates the overall problem. The healthcare industry in the usa has always been a business that is used by whites to display biases toward the non white. The movie Alice 2022 shows this in multiple ways. And the problem with healthcare as an industry is it is historically expensive. Healthcare is not cheap. Consider that car company workers/steel company workers/government workers, the cost of their healthcare overtime is the biggest bill. in amendment or commented Healthcare has always been historically for the have's not all, and you see that throughout humanity even today, even in countries in western europe deemed universal in care. I can't wait for your first show in black history month:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJrcIlzfQhc TRANSCRIPT 0:13 [Music] 0:25 [Music] 0:30 hey everyone welcome back to another 0:32 edition of movies that move we today we 0:37 will be talking about Miss ever's boys 0:41 um now I hope you not not like me if you 0:43 hadn't heard about this film before and 0:45 thought it was about medar Evers and his 0:48 mom and them it's not it's not this is 0:52 um it's a fictionalized telling of the 0:58 Tuskegee uh project 1:00 and if you don't know what that is let 1:03 me tell you a little bit about it um 1:05 Tuskegee Alabama there was 1:08 a pretty decent population of black men 1:12 who had 1:14 syphilis and um you know the government 1:17 saw it and said hey perfect opportunity 1:20 for us to explore how this the progress 1:25 of this 1:27 disease and so they 1:30 setup shop in 1:32 Tuskegee told these men hey we're going 1:35 to treat you for the condition they 1:38 didn't tell them that they were research 1:40 subjects they didn't tell them they 1:42 weren't getting 1:43 treatment and these men did not give 1:47 consent to basically be used as guinea 1:51 pigs this project ran from was it 1:57 1932 to 2:00 19 no 1932 to 2:05 1972 okay so they were allowing men with 2:08 syphilis black men with syphilis to just 2:13 ride the disease out um and it's not a 2:16 comfortable disease you you can get it 2:19 it can go 2:21 dormant it can come back up there's like 2:24 five stages to the condition you'll end 2:27 up with skin lesions there are some 2:29 people who who survived it the biggest 2:32 problem here beyond the fact that they 2:35 were experimenting on black bodies was 2:38 that when it was found out that 2:41 penicillin was The Cure none of these 2:44 men were given the option never told 2:47 that some of them would die if they like 2:49 took it well no in reality no yeah but 2:53 I'm just saying in the movie like that's 2:55 what they were they were telling them 2:56 that if if you take it you you could die 3:00 which wasn't true but talking about the 3:04 movie this is it's not based on a 3:07 specific story but it is inspired by a 3:12 nurse who did work with some some 3:15 patients during that time so we have in 3:19 the role of nurse Evers um Alfrey 3:25 Woodard Caleb humph is her love interest 3:29 who is is played by Lawrence Fishburn 3:31 and I believe he's one of the producers 3:33 of the film um Dr Douglas is played by 3:37 Craig Sheffer and he is the white Doctor 3:40 Who is leading the um experiment um we 3:46 have Dr Sam brus who's played by uh Joe 3:50 Morton AKA Papa Pope those of you who 3:53 know no um he is the black doctor that 3:58 is leading it because of you have 4:00 something like this going on you got to 4:01 get black people to talk to black people 4:04 um Willie Johnson is played by Oba Baba 4:09 tund hodman Bryan is played by Van 4:13 couter Ben Washington is played by Tom 4:16 gosam Jr so 4:20 Caleb uh Willie hodman and Ben they're 4:25 referred to as Miss ever's boys and all 4:29 of them them were 4:31 participants in the study in this film 4:36 um and then the late great aie Davis 4:39 played um Alfrey woodard's father Mr 4:43 Evans so this is going back like I said 4:48 1930s 4:50 Tuskegee black people were still working 4:52 in the fields there were still 4:54 sharecroppers um and it was a big deal 4:57 that 4:58 she uh Unice Evers was a nurse you know 5:03 she's working in the hospital she's 5:05 working with doctors she wasn't a 5:07 servant or anything like that she 5:10 recognized it her father recognized it 5:12 it was the type of career that could 5:14 have taken her 5:15 anywhere um when this came up she was 5:19 the head nurse 5:22 under Dr broadis so Joe Morton she was 5:27 working with him and he said hey 5:30 I'm taking you with me we're going to to 5:33 Tuskegee there's something happening 5:35 down there that they want us to be a 5:37 part of that happened to be the area 5:40 where she grew up so Caleb she was 5:43 already familiar with because he used to 5:46 pull her Pigtails in 5:48 class so there was some relationship 5:52 there and her relation built with the 5:55 other three men to the point that you 5:57 know they were performers in the 5:59 community Comm they name their band 6:01 after her um the whole thing gets 6:05 sticky because at a certain point she 6:09 realizes that wait a 6:11 minute we're we're not treating them 6:14 we're just doing research and she was 6:17 excited at first because the 6:20 government's paying for it they're 6:21 giving these guys they're they're going 6:23 to help the black people and there were 6:25 a handful of people who were wey but 6:27 when they heard what I get a free meal I 6:31 can get free rides and all this other 6:34 you know the government is catering to 6:35 me they were like all right sign me up 6:38 so I'll let you take it from here what 6:40 what were your thoughts about well first 6:43 of all I'm going to ask the question I 6:45 usually ask is this something you 6:47 learned about in school no not at all 6:50 and what was crazy was when I when 6:53 I because I was actually the one that 6:55 chose the 6:57 movie when I saw it 7:00 I never even really heard about it but 7:04 when I saw it I was like oh you know 7:05 what based off the description I was 7:07 like this might be a good watch it seems 7:09 like 7:10 something that um might be educational 7:13 because this is something again we 7:15 weren't taught about in school so to 7:18 watch it and then like even down to the 7:22 way things were kind of broken down to 7:25 these men when they're coming into their 7:27 community and telling them what they're 7:29 going to do and how the government is 7:31 funding this and everything like that it 7:34 was 7:35 so it was kind of surreal for me to 7:38 watch cuz it's just like they really 7:40 kind of felt like they had to not only 7:43 bring Miss Evers and the doctor in the 7:46 black doctor in 7:48 to kind of facilitate or help facilitate 7:52 these conversations with these men but 7:55 it was almost 7:56 like oh we have to kind of dumb it down 7:59 for them too because whereas the white 8:02 doctor that came in was kind of like hey 8:05 you know I want to get technical with 8:07 these guys and let them know the exact 8:09 diagnosis Miss Evers and the other 8:11 doctor involved were like no we should 8:15 probably kind of tell them something 8:18 different I don't think they were 8:21 dumbing it down I 8:24 think okay let me not say that yes they 8:26 were but by saying blood like oh well 8:29 it's something in your blood like I'm 8:32 and she explained that what she said to 8:34 to the doctor 8:36 was you have to talk to them in their in 8:41 their language if you tell them that 8:45 they have a virus they're going to panic 8:48 and we won't have anyone to complete the 8:50 study with so they understand illness is 8:54 something in the blood so that's what 8:57 we're going to tell them that there's 9:00 something in the blood we're gonna give 9:02 them some treatments to to help heal 9:06 them and they'll be more willing to go 9:09 along with it if we phrase it in terms 9:11 that they comprehend okay okay that's 9:15 like a lawyer trying to speak to you in 9:18 legal vernacular and you're going my 9:19 rights or what and there was a scene in 9:21 the part or there was a scene in the 9:22 movie 9:23 where the the white doctor is like 9:26 telling them what he's about to do and 9:28 what testing they're about to kind of go 9:31 through and everything and why they're 9:32 being tested for this and they're just 9:34 all sitting there looking at him like 9:37 you going to do what and Miss Evers kind 9:40 of had to step in but I just felt like 9:42 throughout the whole 9:43 film there were so many things that and 9:47 what was crazy was there was kind of 9:48 like that little bit of a contrast 9:49 because here it is you know they're kind 9:51 of talking like that to the rest of them 9:53 they're not giving them full information 9:56 as to what's going on and Lawrence fish 9:59 Burn's character um Caleb Caleb 10:04 he he actually was kind of already 10:07 educating himself you know he let Miss 10:09 Evers know look like you don't think I 10:12 can read I'm going to the library and 10:14 I'm looking this stuff up myself yeah 10:17 and he asked for a book cuz he was like 10:19 I want to know more about this exactly 10:22 so he kind of even though he was also 10:24 not giv a lot of 10:26 information Miss Evers did kind of offer 10:28 up a little little bit of information to 10:30 him in the beginning 10:31 but he kind of already knew in the back 10:34 of his mind certain things and something 10:36 wasn't right yeah so he was kind of 10:38 already hip to what was going on but 10:42 unfortunately these other guys that were 10:44 involved in this process they just 10:46 didn't know and they kind of like leaned 10:49 on Miss Evers a little bit to kind of 10:51 take them through this process yeah um 10:55 and it's unfortunate because if they 10:58 were a little bit more 11:00 honest and even a little bit more 11:03 instead of using them as guinea pigs 11:05 actually got them the help that they 11:08 needed they would have been fine you 11:11 know they would have lived normal lives 11:12 you know um oh my gosh I keep drawing a 11:16 blank with his name Caleb when he went 11:18 to the military he said look I got that 11:21 penicillin shot because one this was my 11:24 only way to get into the military 11:27 properly but two like I'm not messing 11:29 around my health like I'm doing whatever 11:31 I have to do and he was kind of trying 11:34 to encourage the other men to do the 11:36 same 11:37 but the the the role of the medical team 11:42 in this 11:44 situation was to just monitor the 11:47 progress of the disease and keep them 11:51 from getting treatment elsewhere yeah 11:54 and there's a scene in the film where 11:56 one of the guys um he's like I can't 11:59 take it anymore Caleb takes him to a 12:03 hospital to get the penicillin and the 12:05 nurse turns around looks at the 12:07 clipboard and says no you can't have it 12:10 and they were like why can't he get it 12:14 and she said because you're on the list 12:16 I can't give it to you cuz he was a part 12:18 of this experiment so all of the 12:20 hospitals in the area had the names of 12:23 all of the the the men who were being 12:27 researched and they refused them care 12:31 when they came to it and in this 12:33 situation it 12:35 was uh Willie Willie was the dancer in 12:39 the group you know he was hopping up and 12:41 down you know dancing like they do at 12:43 the Cotton Club and he had dreams of 12:44 getting there and it started to affect 12:47 his Mobility so he was like I can't I 12:49 can't live like this I need to to have 12:53 it fixed Caleb didn't tell him exactly 12:57 what was going on even though though he 13:00 had an 13:01 ankling and he did try to talk to Unice 13:05 about it and say okay what aren't you 13:07 telling me and she was like I can't I 13:10 can't and I think part of the reason why 13:13 she said she can't a um she was told 13:17 that she can't she shouldn't and then 13:19 the other part was she was ashamed 13:21 because once she 13:24 realized what this really was MH she was 13:30 like I I can't tell anybody that I'm 13:33 knowingly a part of this and she was 13:38 offered an opportunity she was about to 13:41 take the opportunity to go back up north 13:45 for for 13:47 work and she changed her mind because 13:50 she was like these guys need me I can't 13:54 leave them in other words I help put 13:56 them in this predicament I can't aband 13:59 she went through a tremendous like 14:01 internal struggle to the point where it 14:04 even affected the relationship she had 14:05 with Caleb because it was like here it 14:08 is they were in love they kind of wanted 14:10 to go away together and all that but she 14:13 had the guilt of kind of how this whole 14:16 process started and then the guilt of 14:18 like kind of what happened after that 14:21 how these men were affected and then 14:24 here it is you know Caleb comes back 14:25 from the war and everything and he's 14:27 like look like you know it the deed has 14:30 been done this is already happening like 14:32 we need to just go start our lives and 14:34 she's like I can't leave these guys 14:37 behind like I just can't do it and it it 14:40 it unfortunately affected their personal 14:44 lives because it's kind of 14:46 like had this experiment not even 14:49 happened none of them would be in this 14:51 predicament at all so right and so um 14:57 back to reality 14:59 um a lot of things came out of this time 15:05 period rules were put in place um once 15:09 this was re was revealed and you know 15:13 the public expressed outrage over it new 15:16 policies were put into place to make 15:19 sure that you know people were aware of 15:24 when they were a part of medical 15:26 research so now you are in invited to 15:30 clinical studies you don't just become a 15:33 guinea pig because someone says you know 15:35 what I want to see how long this person 15:37 survives if they have XYZ disease you 15:42 have to be offered you have to be 15:44 compensated you have to be treated like 15:47 a human being and not a lab rat that's 15:50 required by law um there are 15:55 institutional review boards so one set 15:58 of do s can't come up with this 16:00 experiment run it privately and then do 16:04 what they want with the information if 16:05 you're going to have a clinical trial 16:08 then there's a review board to make sure 16:10 that you are following all processes and 16:13 protocols that are laid out to make sure 16:15 that the patient is cared for um and you 16:20 know this this movie kind of speaks to 16:23 and you being a Med medical professional 16:25 you're aware of some of this um it kind 16:29 of speaks to what impacts uh mortality 16:33 rate amongst 16:35 African-Americans and while it has 16:39 improved there's still room for 16:43 improvement plenty of room for 16:45 improvement because the mortality rate 16:48 birth rate between black women and white 16:51 women there's still a gap there same 16:54 thing for breast 16:57 cancer there's still a gap there and 17:00 even and I can speak from my own 17:02 experience when trying to get um 17:06 assistance with health 17:08 issues you probably going to have to go 17:10 through as a a black woman you're 17:12 probably going to have to go through a 17:14 few doctors before you can get yeah what 17:18 you need I had a talk with my doctor the 17:20 other day and she was like oh I 17:22 recommend this doctor and I was like 17:25 uhuh went to them and I didn't even get 17:28 into it with her about why how racist 17:32 this doctor was towards me I just said 17:36 no and I think that's where I related to 17:40 Caleb because he was like I'm advocating 17:44 for myself for myself I'm here but I 17:47 have a lot of questions that I need and 17:49 I love you know I love that about his 17:50 character because I feel like and I try 17:52 to kind of impress this upon the 17:54 patients I work with in general because 17:57 as a human being like you have to be you 18:01 have to be researching you have to be 18:04 thoughtful and thorough with your own 18:06 health care like you have to be 18:08 questioning these doctors you know and 18:10 asking them about this stuff because 18:13 they don't know it all they don't know 18:15 at all there are some doctors that go by 18:17 the book or they are just trying to sell 18:20 the these you know medications to to get 18:25 perks and things like that it's kind of 18:27 like you have to be your own Advocate 18:30 you have to research yourself because 18:32 here it is in this scenario it's like if 18:35 he didn't do that research on his own 18:37 and like kind of take that extra step 18:40 and try to figure things out on his own 18:42 he would have been just like some of 18:43 those men that that ended up dead 18:46 because it's like you know you got to 18:48 kind of ask more questions and care more 18:50 about your health and not just listen to 18:53 what a health care provider or whatever 18:55 is telling you all the time yeah there 18:58 was one guy and I I didn't write his 19:00 name down in the notes did all the 19:02 research looked him up his name was 19:06 Charlie I can't remember his last name 19:09 now I'll try and put up a picture of him 19:12 but he was one of the um last survivors 19:16 of the Tuskegee 19:19 experiment and the reason why I 19:22 remembered him is because they they did 19:24 a a report about him and he 19:29 wore a hat at all times because again 19:32 when you get syphus you if it's not 19:34 treated or treated quickly you start to 19:37 get lesions and they they kind of 19:38 represented that in the um in the movie 19:42 where these guys had like marks on their 19:45 face he had marks on his 19:50 scalp and so he used to wear a hat to 19:53 hide 19:54 it but he was and which president was it 19:58 I don't remember if it was no no no no 20:01 no no cuz this was in like the '90s 20:03 shortly before he passed but he was 20:07 given some kind of medal okay by the 20:10 president 20:11 for um his his involvement and survival 20:16 because black people are rewarded for 20:18 surviving um he was given a reward for 20:22 that but that man suffered through all 20:26 of that and you know I think he died in 20:30 I want to say he passed away in 20:33 2009 darn I wish I had notes on it but 20:35 I'll try and put that up at the 20:37 end all in all as far as historical 20:42 content I feel like this was pretty 20:45 accurate even though it's a 20:46 fictionalized movie I think it was 20:49 pretty accurate if you're not aware of 20:52 the Tuskegee experiment I definitely say 20:56 watch it go down the rabbit hole get 20:59 online do the research um and once again 21:04 sit your kids down to watch it you know 21:08 I think the news just broke today that 21:10 apparently at the federal level Black 21:12 History Month is being cancelled 21:15 so look don't let it be canceled in your 21:18 house celebrate educate make sure you 21:22 know about stuff like this because as we 21:24 can see history is starting to repeat 21:26 itself in a very backwards way so that 21:30 being said hope you enjoyed this review 21:33 don't forget to like share follow 21:35 subscribe to our YouTube page also our 21:39 Facebook page even though I'm trying to 21:41 move us off of meta completely because 21:45 reasons um our group on Facebook is 21:48 called movies that move we you can also 21:51 find me on the spill app download it 21:56 it's aiv it's nice and quiet over there 21:58 under my page which is Nay wres n i ke 22:03 wri I Tes and also on fan base same name 22:08 nay 22:10 writes and YouTube where movies that 22:13 movie is the name of the playlist we 22:15 have more than two years of uh movie 22:19 discussions that you can check out and 22:21 hey we like comments on the old stuff so 22:23 feel free but definitely let us know 22:26 what you thought of this movie and and 22:29 um what are we doing I don't think we've 22:30 decided on the next movie we haven't 22:32 decided on the next movie but there are 22:35 some Runner UPS I know the next two that 22:39 we're looking at is um the piano lesson 22:43 and fences those are like the top two 22:46 options for the next Go Round right and 22:49 so we'll keep you posted on that there 22:52 will be no show next week but the first 22:55 week of 22:56 February we're going all in we're 22:58 celebrating black history mon over here 23:00 we are we don't care who don't like 23:03 we're celebrating 23:05 ourselves anyway thank you so much for 23:07 joining us and until next week we'll see 23:10 you later bye bye

   • January 28, 20251 yr
4. Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We
   

   Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We

   richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

   Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We Listen to this insightful review of the film starring Alfre Woodard side Lawrence Fishburne

   • January 29Jan 29
5. Movies That Move We
   

   Movies That Move We

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   Nov 12

   Wednesday 12 November 2025

   Cotton Comes to Harlem (1970) https://youtu.be/GxlrRyUDXxY?si=ZAwP2qBUWZLWmBMA my thoughts 6:37 right, hope and hustle are together especially as black people were never supported. before 1865 we were over 90% enslaved to other human beings. Then after 1865 we were never given focused assistance from the government. Black people post 1865 have never been given any assistance beyond what can be obtained as a citizen of the USA. so this created the hope/hustle balance. 9:16 Interesting that heat of the night was three years earlier. 10:03 The problem with merit in the united states of America is that merit has never been the basis of worth. The NYPD wasn't started by citizens trying to get rid of criminal activity in their community. The NYPD was started by Boss Tweed for the purpose of gaining votes + an allegiant arm of New York City government. He achieved it by giving the Irish gangs badges. We Blacks talk about merit a lot, as if we don't live in the USA or know the USA. And I comprehend the country you are fighting to make happen argument. The USA has a system that allows for systemic change over time and from 1776 to 2025 the USA has changed in various ways. But, Ossie Davis is making the old argument that Black people should approach the USA as the country they want it to be, and I argue, that has cost black people. 10:57 Yes, the 1970s was the end of what I call the enslavement era. The 1980s was the beginning of what I call the integration era, and cotton is the symbol of that. 12:37 The proof in my historical measure is the role of women who needed the 1980s to have the ability to truly financially standalone. 14:36 I think both. She had to do both, fight to gain something for herself, autonomy, while also be attache to this guy, through the system she lives in. O'Malley can't hate the player, has to embrae the game. This is the reality of women at that time. Remember Ruby Dee is Ossie Davis's wife and I think Ruby Dee would make Ossie Davis have an idea of how a woman living with a man thinks of some things. 15:03 love Purlie Victorious and you mentioned it. I saw the play with Leslie Odom. Ossie Davis did write the play. Didn't know about the film, gone are the days. Ossie Davis eulogy concerning Malcolm. 16:23 Didn't know it was in the 30s in the original text. That is interesting plus valid, wise by Davis. 17:17 Cotton comes to Harlem isn't relevant to Harlem but is relevant to the Black experience still. Because the core issue is getting to a functional multiphenotypical community. It is one thing to have a city of people who look every which way, it is another for all of those peoples to not only have individual allowance but also have growth within their communities. NYC's problem in the 1930s/1970s/today is the ability of individuals to grow has strengthened, the black populace in NYC has more wealthy individuals in it than ever before, more black owned businesses than ever before. BUT, the black community is arguably weaker than ever before. Weaker in that the mechanics of collective power are farther away. And so black individuals still have to go through hurdles with the non black every which way and the black community has to deal with constant attacks from the agenda of the non black. 17:21 Blaxploitation was simultaneously with the mob movie that had complaints from many Italians and yet, the godfather and et cetera are some of the best films. Italians never said their community had problems even though the movies involving characterizations of the Italian mob [godfather/scarface/] showed a cruel violent crime culture. 20:18 I can't think of a film with a black cop taking charge outside an Oscar Micheaux film , but I can't think of the scene directly. But I know in one of his, a black cop is helping a black woman do something. 22:00 Blaxploitation's influence is huge in soundtracks. Hollywood had the musicals but from 1970s onward the placement and use of Black music in films/television/commercials has been on a constant rise. And every decade you see jester films of Black people whether produced or written by black people or not. My Comment Was O’Malley exposing the system — or just gaming it? hope and hustle, I think are inevitably intertwined when one seeks growth noncriminally against a group that historically or modernly uses criminal activity whether legal or not for their own agenda. Merit, at the end of the day, many black people physically live in the current usa but philosophically live in the usa they want to be tomorrow. women's empowerment, I think most female characters in fiction are both, trying to empower self while also living in a man's world. Women today in the USA are unlike any women in recent history anywhere when it comes to individual rights/protections/abilities Ossie Davis did write the play, Purlie Victorious Cotton comes to Harlem is relevant in that minority populaces will always have in any fiscal capitalistic setting those among them looking to make money regardless of the detriment to said minority populace. Minority populaces will always have in any bureaucratic environment made by a majority those among them trying to be bridges into the bureaucracy. Blaxploitation - eddie murphy once said no one wants to see that today, but i argue whenever films have one of the two following elements: the joyous black jester-formerly jim crow(norbit/dont drink juice in south central/baps) , or the black communal plight films(juice/do the right thing/boyz in the hood) these are no different than most of the films of the 1970s involving black thespians that were mortly,written/directed/produced by whites commonly called blaxploitation Black Cops in film, i can only think of a black cop in an oscar micheaux film. i think he was a ranger or mountie or a role in that field, but your right it was uncommon. I wonder how many black people wanted to be cops through these films. To O'Malley, he cheated the village but overall, it is both, let's be blunt, the usa wasn't born by legal fiscal operation and great ledgerwork. The usa was born from thieves/killers/cheaters not really hustlers but people far far worse. To my knowledge omalley killed no one, in the very city harlem sits in, rockefeller who is known to have killed white oilmen has a whole center to his name. Carnegie who is known to have stolen land and murdered competition has various buildings with this name and an endowment with it. The roosevelts is the name of an old dutch family when new york was enw amsterdam who was part of a land owning caste upstate new york , that had a sharecropping system for white farmrs for the purpose of keeping them as lifelong tenants. If white people who murdered entire indigenous peoples and enslaved as many as possible have their names lauded why is OMalley a great sinner, for his wee hustle. comment referral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxlrRyUDXxY&lc=UgzkjnVo7IPWs1g6xyh4AaABAg

   • November 13, 2025Nov 13
6. Movies That Move We- Sounder 1972
   

   Movies That Move We- Sounder 1972

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   Sep 23

   Tuesday 23 September 2025

   Movies That Move We- Sounder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WlL2KAjlg My Thoughts To the Minutes Movies That Move We, the third generation:) Lis + Kim+ Manda with Nike looking at Sounder. Manda/Kim/Nike/Lis 2:10 interesting that Kim had to read The Secret Garden. 3:22 Nike question, a question of a black family written by a white man? Lis: don't feel it is well received Kim: if he grew up in a family different than him, or have a different . But Manda: a product of the time. He had editors. the gaze in the story is for a certain audience. 6:14 Nike couldn't find any interviews. She cites a note: "fifty years ago i learned to read at a round table at a country school house, the teachers name was Charles jones. After school he worked for my father and in the summer he drove a hay rake and a mowing machine. He had a deep rich voice and he loved to tell stories, I have never forgotten them. Out of the stories he told me and the boy who sat next to me in the round table came the story in this book" 7:42 Nike didn't like the unnamed characters 10:20 Swampy the dog had no other roles in a movie:) 11:21 Nike asked what do you think about the dog? Kim, she liked the dog in the book becoming part of the family. 17:14 Nike, is this a radical story? Lis, the screen writer was black for the film did that make a difference. Kim, felt the film was tame. Manda, she turned it on and told her kids to go away. 22:45 The performance of Cicely Tyson 24:54 In the book, the author didn't have the ability to write the energy , so in the movie, a black woman was able to bring life in it. 27:11 in 1972 women couldn't have a credit card on their own in the united states of America, good point by Nike. 28:29 Lis, good point, god is the higher male and the pastor used god in that part. 29:55 Nike, when the boy went to the teachers house , he felt she was rich good question about whether he got that from a first hand source 31:32 Nike, what are your thoughts on the education scene? Kim, excited but sad. The teacher was considered rich for having her own home. A simple thing. Manda, in the book, we saw his progression. he lamented he couldn't read. In the movie he already can. And in the book the teacher was an older white guy, while the teacher was a younger black female. 33:48 Overview call from Nike 34:19 Manda, ask, does the movie exist as a reclamation of the story. 37:56 The ending, in the book the father was paralyzed very badly while in the movie, it was made more gentle. 39:15 Good point that the father and dog died in the book at the end. 39:42 Nike asked how did it feel Kim mentioned how she never lived in such a financially poor housing as the black characters in the book and she was spoiled as a child and when she was subjected to stories like this, she said thank god i am not in this situation. 41:36 Unike Sounder roots was very visible with the violence. 41:56 before Roots what story was the media standard? 43:28 Nike can't recall to many films with a black child at the center. IN AMENDMENT Sounder 2 supposedly was barely released which i argue is how the film industry producers historically kill films they don't want any to see but were forced from whatever reason to produce. Think John carter of mars for disney. IT was made , but Disney killed that film in advertising in the media mechanics of what a film needs. And Disney did it cause they bought MArvel and didn't want to waste any future money on a john carter series link https://books.google.com/books?id=X7ZYsnTPIhwC&lpg=PA78&vq=annazette%20chase&pg=PA78#v=onepage&q&f=falseembed referral https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Part_2,_Sounder The Dandridge Sisters n 1940 Irene https://youtu.be/CTeabecj_4o?si=BQ2qgnGQ6_1bTeYs Bright Road Directed by Gerald Mayer Screenplay by Emmet Lavery Based on "See How They Run" 1951 short story Ladies' Home Journal by Mary Elizabeth Vroman Starring Dorothy Dandridge Philip Hepburn Harry Belafonte Barbara Ann Sanders https://youtu.be/278qbMmPpPI?si=eqML-s-coYm5Wmwo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_Road Four Shall Die is a 1940 American supernatural crime film directed by William Beaudine. It features Dorothy Dandridge in her first credited film role. It says in the black cinemaconnection that the film is presumed lost. Damn! https://blackcinemaconnection.com/2018/10/29/four-shall-die/ My Comment Nike, you don't like stories with characters absent a name? Lis, the problem is, the producer of the film was white and controlled what could be done or emitted, to this day producers dictate the parameters of artistic expression of directors/thespians or others? Manda, what later films are inspired by Sounder's stylistic conversions from book to screenplay, if any? Manda ask is the film a reclamation. I argue, yes absent deviating from being an intended feel good story. A sounder 2? My first question to you four is, with so many people, black in particular, desiring not to see films involving enslavement of blacks to whites, in the usa in particular, or seeing black struggle in an environment controlled by the non black, does Sounder fit the desire of some film goers , black or non black, to see a film absent black suffering or black struggle? My second question to you four is, the film industry ever since the code came in has always pushed films based on literature to be less violent, less fornicative, less depictive of negativities than the books themselves, the two oppositions to that are the Frankenstein films and Glory from spielberg, where Frankenstein is written as a creature fully functional or pleasant in appearance as a human male, the movies make the creature, crude, disgusting looking, incapable to be with a woman, OR the fifty third regiment mostly made up of free black men who can read but are depicted more negatively in terms of their status or condition. But, from fifty shades to Sounder to lord of the flies, to journey to the west to the statian film adapations of "men who hate women" ninety nine percent of films are never allowed to go as far as books. So my question is, what do you say to that? Has the film going audience in the usa been trained to expect a lighter touch on violent scenes, so much that to do as the books most violent parts will be unacceptable? Kim, roots was made in 1977, five years after , and Manda's question is interesting. If Sounder had not been made, would Roots be made? I think Roots is interesting cause even though Roots is well known , it isn't something shown alot today. And I argue it is because it isn't uplifting. Overall it doesn't allow non blacks to think of the usa as this country of egalitarianism, not does it allow blacks to think of the usa as some wanted home by their forebears, who were forced to immigrate. Nanda, asked before Roots what was the film dealing with the past of blacks in the USA considered the "standard" and I argue Sounder was it. Nike, check out the film Bright Road with Dorothy Dandridge, the question I pose to all four of you is, if no "Bright Road" 1953 happened would there be a Sounder film? referral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9WlL2KAjlg&lc=UgwTgyYJo5BPjxYaWzB4AaABAg

   • September 24, 2025Sep 24
7. Sinners review from Nike Marshall + Zenobia Marshall of Movies That Move We
   

   Sinners review from Nike Marshall + Zenobia Marshall of Movies That Move We

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   Jul 08

   Tuesday 08 July 2025

   video embed video link https://youtu.be/u3iwa9BupmQ?si=KhdwO07s-mWMNA-G MY THOUGHTS AS I LISTENED Love the shirt from Zenobia. 00:02:00 From Duck till dawn ahhhh, similar but the storytelling is vastly different. Coogler made characters in Sinners that are better balanced. American Gothic, ok, specificall Black American Gothic ah EVe's Bayou is considered a Black American Gothic 00:04:13 It has stocked Nike's secrets and symbology infatuation with films 00:05:50 good point Nike, Coogler made the correct religious association in the black populace at the time 00:07:10 yeah the guy who played preacher boys father did well as the fanatic black pastor I think many thought on what determines a sinner , who is a sinner, and when are a sinner redeemed. [ https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/369-granting-to-evil-circa-the-film-sinners-from-coogler/ ] 00:09:44 interesting from Zenobia, each character in sinners is a sinner. I think this film shows how much larger the religious zeal/energy is in the black or pan human populace. I concur, many of the characters embrace their lives. They don't dwell, and Delta slim was the oldest so his age makes reflection easier. 00:14:52 hmmm interesting point from Nike, the way in which Coogler framed the reality , didn't hit any audience member with it upside the head but it was not ignored. It is a subtely, a craft, to represent important history from your community without turning your fiction into a historical documentary. 00:16:58 Younger black audiences, seem to really not like to see the pain. Not trying to be ignorant but not consumed. 00:18:41 Nike, psalms 1:07 let the redeemed of the lord say so. The first black person I heard or read quote scripture of the Christian bible. 00:19:26 I concur to Zenobia, this is a collection of individuals brought together through a collective project, a juke joint. 00:21:30 Nike, true, the external communal freedom is desired but the individual freedom was reached by Sammie. yes, Fun is powerful 00:22:46 Everybody loves Annie. yes, how come the ancient black religions didn't come through to save her baby? how come the religion of his uncle didn't save her baby? Yes, people who lose children have a sadness that can be very deep. 00:25:26 Yes, I am happy Delroy Lindo said that. People forget the old black south lifestyle was in the 1900s alive and common and vibrant. I think black people in the 1900s did a disservice raising black kids by making our old black south too distant or disconnected. But as Dash said in Daughters of the Dust , black families who went north intentionally wanted to forget the black southern heritage wholesale, not just the negative but the positive. 00:27:25 of course, Nike forgets pearline's name for a minute:) black men's character. 00:28:57 Zenobia remembers the scene of smoke + any and the incense is burning 00:31:50 I concur, color symbology is heavy in Sinners. 00:33:59 I didn't know Smoke and his brothe'rs last name was Moore. Cool. 00:34:51 Yes, The irish were catholic and also catholic. The English was the overseers to the irish. Right, the dumping ground use of the English colonies by England. 00:37:02 I think one point with sinners is not shying away from the heritage of interacial activity in the usa, not merely the negative but the neutral. I say not positive, but neutral. Many films of the past go into a simplicity, of all peoples in the usa walled against each other but that was never the truth, even in the plantation, especially in the plantation. 00:37:14 Ruth D carter is having a great era as a costumer. 00:38:07 your funny, people couldn't say, they are wearing red white and blue. 00:39:37 well done Nike, colors to ward off spirits. I didn't know. 00:40:35 I concur to Nike, the best black fantasy films from Posse to Sinners accept the presence of whites or white power but the story isn't about whites or white power, but blacks and black empowerment. 00:40:40 Zenobia is the first I heard to call it a tear jerker. hmmm . That is a testament to Coogler's storytelling. 00:41:36 hmm Zenobia maybe answers Nike's question, and sacrifice is maybe the way sinners can be redeemed. 00:42:25 Zenobia is in a bible study group. 00:43:56 Very leech like, Remmick as a vampire is very leech like. 00:44:51 Questions from Nike, Is Sinners one of Ryan Coogler's most personal films? How is his storytelling from Fruitville Station to Sinners changed? What lingers? 00:47:51 aww Zenobia, you softie, the end had you crying:) Sinners has a level of completeness. Heavy detailed with no need of exposition. 00:48:46 The Coogler/Jordan duo is strong, like Depp/Burton or Eastwood/Leone . and great point Nike. Who is the body double? 00:52:01 Blue Ray for Sinners is coming out in December. I bet the BlueRay/DVD people didn't expect it to be this loved. 00:53:07 And like Peele, forget the series. The movie series is corporate, the best filmmakers outside the superhero is one and done's. No Zenobia, I am fearful for universe building on sinners. Of course, Warner Bros, want to make money. That is what made Keannu Reeves control of John Wick well. Starz can't do what they want. MY COMMENT Zenobia, what character is depicted on your shirt? Nike, what are your thoughts to Coogler , like Peele, not revealing much, letting the online discourse go into the revelations? Zenobia, how many sins exist? Are their more than seven? To you both, where does Delroy Lindo's performance in Sinners place among his many? Nike, you are the first to quote scripture in discussion about this. Nike or Zenobia, what role do black parents have in the 1900s to making enslavement or more precisely the heritage even after the war between the states, have in making black children think that southern black heritage is ancient instead of the near past. Zenobia, I think your correct about the colors meaning. How often do you think the film sinners was talked about in Christian Bible Study groups? Aww Zenobia, mommy softee:) at the end. Questions asked to viewers of the review. Is Sinners one of Ryan Coogler's most personal films? Tough one. I think it definitely is in the sense that it is something he has produced that doesn't have the media protection of bigger brand content, so he is relying on himself and his vision. How is his storytelling from Fruitville Station to Sinners changed? I don't know. Peele + Coogler seem to be very astute on the stories they present, when and how they present. It is very managed. Unlike someone like myself who doesn't manicure his art for commerce, i think Coogler always does. Not in an evil way but financially comprehending films have to make money to keep making films. What lingers? When Sammie said he wanted to taste Pearline:) I want to taste her too:) hahaa Who is the body double? Percy Bell [ https://www.wfla.com/community/rooted-in-progress/michael-b-jordans-body-double-in-sinners-the-percy-bell-story-rooted-in-progress/ ] Thanks, stay cool this summer and see ya soon. my comment comment URL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3iwa9BupmQ&lc=UgzFQGHmY1ei5-wNw6R4AaABAg&pp=0gcJCSMANpG00pGi Another Sinners discussion https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/369-granting-to-evil-circa-the-film-sinners-from-coogler/

   • July 8, 20251 yr
8. My Thoughts to questions of Ryan Cooglers Sinners from Movies That Move We
   

   My Thoughts to questions of Ryan Cooglers Sinners from Movies That Move We

   richardmurray posted an event in RMCALENDARS's RMWorkCalendar

   Jun 17

   Tuesday 17 June 2025

   I was asked by Movies That Move We https://www.youtube.com/@moviesthatmoveswe/videos MY ANSWER hmm coogler's message... I see a number of them... first, he was willing to spend his money on a story involving Black DOS heritage that isn't a biopic while is an adventure tale, so his first message is for black people who have the money to invest in making stories they care about even if a financially viable precedence. I can't recall a black southern vampire adventure movie. he created what he wanted. ; second that a film based on a black southern vampire adventure has an audience willing to make it a hit if made under a certain budget, he succeeded. third: a movie can have an entire cast of black characters who are middle of the road. No pantomime black antagonist or protagonist here. I think of that will smith movie where he fights his younger self. or that van damme film where he was a twin. At the end of this film, one twin is off with his deceased wife and child into a happy netherrealm while the other twin is with his yella woman as one who will live as long as they don't see sunlight, a sort of prison/enslavement. Both men did some negative things but both have found peace. For black male characters in films this is at the most least rare, or at the most unheard of. fourth: two female black leads exist. The good female black lead is a black woman with the brownest complexion/darkest , big beautiful lips, shapely large breast, wide thickbone body. The bad is hella yella and ends up a vampire but isn't wildy roaming or something. I think he wanted to say both can exist in a movie positively. He succeeded. fifth: native americans , in a traditional sense, can exist in black dos fiction adventures. Not unheard of, ala Buck and the preacher or Posse but still rare. Sixth: black love winning. yes vampires but they live. yes dead but they are viewed happy in the netherrealm. How often are black lovers viewed at the end of a film happy? think of school daze/ghost dog way of the samurai. Many films with black people in production, either don't have black love or black love isn't the final note. Now to the questions in graphics: 1) does sinners portray faith as liberation- or illusion? 2)how does the film complicate the role of religion in black communities? Good questions. To the first the question is, which faith? What is faith? The problem with faith as a word is people usually think of faith and think of religion. But faith is not about religion. It is about a belief in anything without proof. I argue the twin whose child died had a lose of faith in religions [christianity or hoodoo] but not in humanity or himself, in life, ala their end. He had faith in his love. And believed in that love being forever. So did his wife and of course the child. What is the role of religion in the black populace of the usa? The number of black individuals whose religion is essential to their being has changed from 1865 to 2025. But the role of religion has always been complicated in the black populace of the usa. Did the movie suggest it is more complicated? I argue not enough black people have explained how many various black religious groups existed and exist in the black populace of the usa. Yes many black people are like the blues players father but many black people were like Annie, believed in more than Christianity. Arguably more did. My point is, Black people didn't convey the breadth or width or heritages in the black populace in the usa. again, the black native americans/Seminoles, the black catholics from Haiti with syncretic voodoo, the Gullah or Geechee with a mix of various beliefs including islam, the pre war between the states Christianity which was absent churches as we were enslaved plus mostly through spirituals as most black people couldn't read. We black people in not talking about our heritage in the usa from the 1800s to today , made religion in our community seem simple, when it never was. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16yxBWNW8J/ FORUM POST https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11683-ryan-cooglers-sinners-questions/

   • June 18, 20251 yr
9. MLK jr day GOOD NEWS CALENDAR
   

   MLK jr day GOOD NEWS CALENDAR

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   Jan 15

   Wednesday 15 January 2025 until Tuesday 21 January 2025

   MLK jr was born January 15th 1929 on a tuesday but the celebration is on the third monday of janaury by the uniform monday holiday act [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Monday_Holiday_Act ] His actual birthday is the fifteenth of january but the federal holiday is in a monday for three day weekends, like others. It is celebrated on the third monday in the month of january in every year since its inception in the Statian Empire. I ask you to share , historical fictions/prose/graphical artwork in any style concerning MArtin Luther King jr....I do wonder why Blacks in the U.S.A. can not come together and demand a true day off for this federal notice. And also share, officials days in a country outside the usa for a black person in history? In Amendment Why the holiday is on his the third monday and not his true birthday? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Monday_Holiday_Act MLK jr's views on Financial Accountability https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnKP__N7MNI MY 2020 speech https://aalbc.com/tc/blogs/entry/194-richard-murray-creative-table/page/7/?tab=comments#comment-820 MLK jr on Movies that Move We [ https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=1785&type=status ] ON FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITY MY PROSE MLK jr day 1/20/2020 Many presented videos or text concerning M.L.K. junior today, the twentieth of January. As a point of note, Martin Luther King junior's birthday is on the fifteenth of January, not the third Monday of every January. I am not interested in trying to rewrite the legend of MLK junior. MLK junior like most other historical figures in the USA was made legend after doing legendary things by others, not themselves, by those with agenda. It is more important to change the message in current media than to try to change the influence of past media using current media. My issue is ownership. Martin Luther King junior, asked a simple thing to the black statian, the black community in the USA. Do not use the ways of whites on the path to ownership. It may sound simple but, it is not, historically the ways of whites have never been undone concerning ownership. Comprehend a simple historical fact. People of white European, white is a phenotypical label while European is a geographic, descent are not the majority owners in the united states of america based on positive merit, or decency, or any positive angle. Every inch of land in the u.s.a. today is owned or controlled by the u.s.a. government, itself ranked mostly with whites, or in private white ownership, through various transfers after it was originally taken by killing native americans. Absent land how many firms will exist in the USA? What will the banks or the agricultural firms be in the u.s.a absent slavery? For all the technological modifications by usa based agricultural firms or investments in Silicon Valley in the stock markets, where will any bank or agricultural firm be in the usa without their original fiscal activities involving slaveholders accounts or slave labor for growing produce. Notice I did not refer to an individual person. I am speaking to the white community. The white community in the usa used negative means to become owners and then become financially successful owners. Martin Luther King junior spoke to Black people, grow, be strong, become owners of your own community and beyond; but don't kill another for their land, don't take another person's land, don't enslave another, do not do for yourself, your bloodline, your community by harming others. This is the reality of ownership in the u.s.a. White people help themselves, their community, built on their forebears originally harming others or themselves continuing to harm others. Martin Luther King Junior did not want black people to develop a negative character, a negative legacy, to be unmerited while trying to help their own. He asked a very challenging thing. Martin Luther King junior once said, it is a crude jest to tell a bootless man to lift himself up by his bootstraps. But he also felt the bootless man should not lessen his character by stealing another man's boots. He felt the bootless man should be strong enough to merit his boots through craft, labor, or another's kindness. As a black kid growing up, in a black community, incorrectly labeled but widely labeled, the black mecca, I realized how little the black community in Harlem owned. And in parallel, I knew how much various white communities in New york city owned, more importantly how they owned them. What would the Irish or Italian or white Jewish communities be in new york city absent their mobs, correctly glorified in constant movies. It was the white jewish, italian or irish mobs, the gangsters, the rum runners, the extortionists, the thieves, that had a largest or initial role in the development of ownership in those communities in New York city. I end, with a simple truth, the Black community in Harlem, a cultural district in Manhattan in new york city in new york state, in the united states of america, owns little to nothing in Harlem, yesterday or today. The history of the u.s.a. proves all ownership in the u.s.a. comes from those who were willing to negatively, or through negative actions, earn it. MLK junior asked black people to reject that historical truth, even when we own so little. If the Black statian can keep that hope of MLK jr. alive and one day exist in a u.s.a. where Black people own more than all others, or at least enough to not need another community. It will be a testament to MLK junior’s faith. And make the Black community have a pride, worth more than all the years whites owned far more. https://youtu.be/RnKP__N7MNI Poetry or more audiobook series https://www.kobo.com/us/en/search?query=Poetry or More&fcsearchfield=Series&seriesId=06baba96-5af5-5d24-9b8a-f06360287dc9 MLK jr on Movies that Move We Movies that Move WE- Selma MY COMMENT odd that this year, MLK jr day is the same time as Marcus Garvey's birthday.. I think the contrast between marcus garvey's long term vision as opposed to the long term vision of MLKjr or his predecessors, WEB DUbois when young or earlier Frederick DOuglass , concerning the relationship of blacks in the americas americas to whites in the americas. Now to the video... 6:40 yes, MLK jr was not a fool about being an advocate . He knew it wasn't financially grand nor had a great chance of true success. But, the identity of a christian baptist preacher was important to regaling. 8:04 yes, black businesses had a huge role in financing the civil rights movement of the 1960s, I wonder if they got their money's worth 9:01 black christian women have always been the backbone or the administration or communal arrangement of the black church. 9:32 My home had people who were at the march on washington. I concur to Nicole, having people who were in the home who experienced the history is key, but only truly matters if they convey it 11:10 yes Nicole , the disconnect is the communities fault. Every community in the usa, from the embattled native american to the afghanistani's from the iraq war have to teach who they are to their children and all who fail to get the proper results 14:14 good point, Nike, the illusion that the past is so far from the present. Like the racial is so far from the post racial 15:35 good dialog, Nicole/Nike about the progression of black history in the usa and how the black community has changed very fast while also very irratically for various reasons 16:47 You two offer the question many have asked before and many will ask after... how did the black community not maintain a highly serious collective tone from circa 1850 to circa 2022 ? 19:47 Nicole, urgency from whom? How many black people, who are in elected office, are millionaires, feel the sense for urgency seriously? they all will say urgency is needed. but, how many truly feel that? 26:41 MLK jr is a legendary speaker, funny how Malcolm is also the son of a preacher man 27:55 the last speech from mlk jr in harlem was at the riverside church, which has the largest carillon in the world https://www.democracynow.org/2022/1/17/mlk_day_special_2022#:~:text=We play his “Beyond Vietnam” speech%2C which he,Copy may not be in its final form. where do we go from here https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/where-do-we-go-here 29:35 yes, but history books in mass education generally soften history. Histories details are by default, not a quick thing. Histories details, show how jews helped the naziz. How hong kong was the epicenter of domination by the united kingdom over the entirety of china. Histories details, show the good or supposed innocent are not that good or innocent, how the bad or supposed hellish are not that sinful or devious. In conclusion, you two made a lovely dialog, but I will suggest you made one potent absence. All to often, black people say, what are we not doing? but answer in your own way, what do we need to do? I know a number of black men who went to the million man march and the reality is, black men showed up to what the black organizers had planned, but the black organizers had no plan whatsoever? Black men came from around the usa to be guided with functionality or purpose not words or chastizement. I will give an example, if a million black men came together, and asked me what to do. I can suggest, make a credit union. Each man who is here put a dollar into a collection and give each man a vote over how the money is used. Is it a brilliant plan? no. It is very simple. but it is function/purpose. It isn't a "do good fellas" speech. What do you two black women want black people to do specifically, name one thing? A last point, Haile Sellasie offered land before his ousting by the communist party of ethiopia , only a third of it was given by the communist government of ethiopia , but it went to rastafarians, who grabbed the opportunity. I am doing research to see how the black people of HArlem Selassie had originally offered the land did not know, reject it or failed interest while black people from jamaica jumped on it. The town is called Shashamane. 1/15/2026 hmmm @Pioneer1 first thank you for stating where you think he went wrong. of the three comments your the only one which means 33% I ponder how many black people are unwilling to question the likes of mlk jr in 2026 ? I have no way of getting a statistic but by this simple post the potential is frightening. I know I haven't spoken on your judgment but it's funny in this community we can bicker with each other so easily and then some of us in here can't speak a judgement against dead leaders. It is a revealing balance. Now you said you loved MLK jr so your critiques are not condemnations. Just assessments all should have in the future to any past. now to your critiques, Well what leaders talked before mlkjr talked about empowered separation? they were the exodusters[based on collective land ownership to make base black towns first, not black people owning land in white towns]+ the garveyites[based on business ownership initially, then geographic distance{far east asia is the farthest from western europe so the garveyites had a point about distance}]+booker t washington[black colleges which were extensions of the black education movement immediately started at the end of the war between the states] MLK jr was born in 1929. By 1929 all the strongest empowered separation movements in the black populace had lost much of their momentum. None died, arguably none are dead, but their momentum wasn't what it was in the late 1800s. So MLK jr didn't have a reference growing up of empowered separation. The only reference he had was integration in various forms. From atlanta, to morehouse, to the greater georgia integration was the system about him. Could he had focused on empowered separation ? 100% yes. Would it been a bad choice? no idea, but it could had succeeded. Was an example around to compel him? no. He needed a successful example. MLK jr like most leaders is thoughtful. The reason something isn't present isn't because it can't work but because it will take more time or more effort to do. The usa government has a very big problem in terms of federal application, in equal access and opportunity. The power of states rights. It is the year 2026 and Schrumpt is the first president after circa two hundred and fifty years to try and actually impose the federal government on the states with the resources to actually do something. Not merely cause of federal power but states in the usa are lower than they are ever been, all are welfare recipients. the original idea was states would never need the federal government. Andrew jackson, Abraham Lincoln, even FDR for all of their fervor, didn't have the means to actually make a federal imposition on the states like Schrumpft today. What does this mean? states got away with a lot of federal crimes within themselves, because the constitution clearly gives states freedom to be themselves and forces citizens to take a state to court for changes. This is why white people burned black people out of the south, because by deleting our voting power, it meant we couldn't use the vote to change the states, we could only use the legal system which is very slow compared to a state wide elections. The constitution is clear, states are not to be ruled by the federal government, which means what. If you are black in mississippi, and white people have raped your wife, burned your children, put your elders in jail without due process or with laws that are uneven in design. If all the actions are finalized within the legal designs of the state of mississippi, you can only take missisppi to court over each action toward the supreme court. That is the only nonviolent solution in the usa for any person from a populace with a minority in a state. The black populace in misssisippi doesn't have the numbers to push people into government and get laws to support it by MLK jr's time. MLK jr was a pastor, third generation, of a black church. No black christian congregation in the 1900s would accept preaching about collective violence. Protecting oneself? 100% but being in a violent mob? no. So what your suggesting was doable by him, but he would had to stop being a preacher to do that. Because nonviolence in the usa means taking whomever your suing to the supreme court,a very lengthy process , one that is not guaranteed to get to the surpreme court, and one most importantly, that doesn't necessarily stop the person/entity being sued from continuing their actions. While the said black man in mississippi is suing, white people are harassing or worse constantly. Your top down is doable, but It isn't impossible. The NAACP was full of lawyers for that reason; their strategy was take every federal crime at the state levels to the supreme court. But so many crimes at the state level occurred. The volume was i argue insurmountable. MLK jr didn't spend enough time on the heritage/what is carried + culture/what is grown of DOSers. He clearly comprehended the importance, ala his plea to Nichelle Nichols. As an aside , I ponder your thoughts on the larger black church? from circa 1865 to 1965 arguably, the black churches in the usa, all denominations combined, are the center of black life. What hindered the churches from focusing on heritage+ culture? Chruches financed lawyers, got food together, helped make shelter, churches did many things, communally, but when it came to emboldening DOS heritage + culture they didn't do much. They didn't even make a book of negro spirituals standard in every black christians pocket. Cause, the negro spirituals is the earliest and purest black DOS christian liturgy or public work. Before black descended of enslaved christians had the bible they had negro spirituals. Great point here. Your second part slightly answers the last segment of the first. I argue that MLK jr and others , many others, wanted the culturee of the black descended of enslaved populace to be as shepards to a better usa for all peoples, this goes back to frederick douglass and the 1800s black church. they knew the heritage was of a people who survived white terror but I think their culture was as a people who made the integrated future nonviolently. and thus by 2026 would become the heritage. Which arguably it has. IF you look at media, most non blacks in the usa view black people as the integrators in the usa. More than anyone else. They made that choice. And it even has precedent. Remember, the first three black tribes when the usa was founded were: the enslaved black folks who are chained while whites in the usa are gaining freedom circa 85%,the black freemen who are trying to stop the usa, with the promise of freedom, which oddly enough, most of them get even though england lost circa 10%, and then the black separatist, fighting alongside whites who publicly supported black enslavement to whites, who would circa 90% be reenslaved at the end of the war. The black separatist were circa 5% of the percent of black folk. So the black folk who fought for the usa to be born circa july 4th is the historical precedent for the pan human rights fighting of the 1960s. Arguably, the black freemen have always existed, whether called black loyalist who also fought in the war of 1812 or black legions fighting in french colors in the commonly called world war one, but during after the commonly called world war 2, that for black alone became very small as a movement in the usa. 01/16/2026 citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79387 @aka Contrarian MLK jr was a leader, not the leader of the civil rights movement. First the movement against Jim Crow started before MLK jr was born, and ended after MLK jr died so MLK jr was a leader, as much of a leader as Fannie Lou Hamer, or Frederick Douglass or Fred Hampton. Fred Hampton made the framework the entire donkey party mimicked. Madame CJ Walker and her daughter I argue were the two biggest civil rights leaders , with only the black hotel owner who financed MLK jr as their peer financially, cause those three people positively influenced alot of black people in ways very few other black people had or will, take out marcus garvey and the garveyite movement, because they had money. My question is why do black people say MLK jr was THE leader of the movement against Jim Crow when all black people should know he wasn't. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: MLK didn't ask to be the leader of the Civil Rights movement. No he didn't ask to be THE leader, but he wanted to be AN advocate for Black people and he was ... What your talking about is the difference between one's media role and one's true role. MLK jr was like MAlcolm like Stokely like Angela Davis, A leader. None of them were THE leader. Now in Media , which I Argue is the problem, MLK jr was posited in white owned media as THE Leader. And the Black Church at that time, who again, needs to be called out, pushed MLK jr in their aisles because he wasn't an areligious student: stokely, he didn't hold a gun : panthers, he wasn't a non christian: malcolm, he wasn't a non college educated woman: fanni lou hamer. So Balck churches did emphasize MLK jr to their forever dishonor for their own media agenda of attracting black people to the black christian church. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: It was a responsibility thrust upon him because he was so good at articulating grievances. It was like, he woke up one morning during the Montgomery bus boycott and all of sudden he was its leader! no whites did that. Whites in media did that. The black church did that. They both whites + the black church saw in MLKjr everything they wanted in black leadership. And the proof he wasn't THE leader is he was never head of the southern black leadership conference. why does that matter? that post would had been better for him. But he was used as the media front man, as a leader. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: He did not have time to map out a precise strategy or a long range grand plan, he and his cobbleled-together posse just kinda made it up as they went along, with Mahatma Gandhi's nonviolent philosophy as their inspiration. But he wasn't alone, the way your describing this history is for me very false. If a black child reads your words, they will think MLK jr was walking around alone doing everything. That is a lie. Others made plans like Ruffin. The truth is Ruffin was always about integration because Ruffin was , like FRederick Douglass before him, viewing black empowerment as part of human empowerment. Ruffin was a faggot who knew very well most black people in the 1950s 1960s wouldn't accept his true self in public, even though they talk of rights, they woudl want to curtail his rights, same thing with frederick douglass who had a white mistress. both of them had lives that denied black in various ways and so they wanted black empowerment but they wanted black empowerment within a greater human allowance in the usa. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: The idea of making a lot of long-range, multi-faceted demands was out of the question at that time. The movement just focused mainly on equal opportunities, and King endeavored to appeal to the conscience of his oppressors. This is not true. Your forgetting the movement was not in a vaccuum. The movement against Jim Crow which was from 1865 to 1980 , was being fought by black people absent weapons or an allowance of weapons aside whites with all the power. So, black people had to make everything as an arrangement with white desires and multifaceted demands were never going to happen in one whole phase with white people. For example, white people knew other whites would terrorize black people in the former confederacy but that terror led to a falsely incarcerated black populace rebuilding the south and kickstarting a financial boom for white people that kept down white on white violence. White people knew other white people were terrorizing black people in the west, the exodusters, but white people needed that land for new white immigrants to increase the domestic market and didn't trust black people's position toward native americans, whom white immigrants killed in the bulkload. It is known Frederick Douglass pushed black people on the underground railroad to not go to canada, which was best for those black people. But why? because douglass wanted black people in the usa to be tied to this country, he hated the idea of black people leaving the usa. So black people were definitely multifaceted, but white people only allowed simple wins. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: Integration was a counter to the separate but equal policy that was nothing more than subtle Jim Crowism. Integration represented fellowship and harmony where little black boys and girls would join hands with their white counterparts and partake of equality through tolerance. It was a dream; hence King's "I have a dream" speech. In retrospect , cheap , very cheap retrospect, years ago , which I talked about in this very forum, I oppose how people speak of integration in the usa. The people in the USA from 1492 to 2026 has always been integrated, never separated. Jim Crow is a form of integration. Did Black people work for non blacks? yes. Did black people buy from non blacks? yes. did non blacks buy goods from blacks? yes. Did blacks and non blacks have two separate theaters ? no, black people had to go to the theater white people owned. Did blacks and non blacks have two separate bus lines? no, black people had to use the bus line white people owned. Black people use the word segregated when they work for whites, live in a mostly white town, use a white owned bus, buy from white stores who are the only stores in town. Most Black people in the usa live a totally integrated life with whites from 1865 to modernity, but it is rarely an even life an equal life. The truth is the USA problem was never separate but equal, ask the native american. The USA's problem was equal but uneven. Everybody is human in the usa, from the european colonial phase to 2026, but the opportunities, rights, armed power, were never even or equal. The USA was never in majority application segregatory. Jim Crow was a form of integration. Enslavement before Jim Crow was a form of integration. The white massa in the house is not segregated from blacks pre 1865. Who cleaned massa's clothes? blacks . whose labor did massa profit off of? blacks. Who did massa fuck without payment? blacks. who cooked massa's meals? blacks. who cleaned massa's house? blacks. who played music and entertained massa or his guest? blacks. Massa say's he segregated from blacks while blacks are apart of every second of massa's life, that is not segregation. That is integration. Inequal, uneven? 100% but it is 100% integration. Integration isn't a dream. The form of integration MLK jr championed in speeches, or somewhat in appearance in fiction is star trek, is the hardest form of integration to acquire. Because that form of integration requires each individual to relinquish all biases, positive or negative, and that isn't easy. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: In hindsight, it's easy to criticize him for not embracing the militancy of those like Malcom X and the Black Panthers. But MLK was a man of his times and he was just beginning to re-think his goals when he was assassinated. Many think his taking a stance against the Vietnam war was a mistake but his doing so was in keeping with his pacifism. yes, hindsight is always cheap because one in a future can never know what they will do in the past. But, hindsight isn't unwarranted. We all make mistakes. It is interesting you suggest a negative judgement from MLKjr for not being militant. Though , again I don't think MAlcolm or the Black PAnthers were ever truly militant. They weren't warlike. MAlcolm + the Panthers were demanding self defense over the court room. That isn't militancy, that is looking at all the black people who have been murdered by whites who flouted the law in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. The law didn't and doesn't protect black people from white violence. has it? If a group of whites are hunting me, how can I protect myself? quote the constitution or the declaration of independence? how can nonviolence save a black life? Has nonviolence ever saved one black life? did it save emmitt till? sean bell? The brother chocked to death in NYC, I can't breath? the brother int he train a white man chocked to death? Did SOnya MAssey get saved by non violence? Did yusef hawkins get saved by non violence? Did breonna taylor get saved by non violence? Did clifford glover get saved by nonviolence? Malcolm + The Black Panthers were not telling black people to have a combined armed revolt. Stokely either. Did fred hampton get saved by non violence? Why do some black people think, when another black person says, have a gun for these whites, that infers some sort of plan to kill all the whites? Is it some desire by some blacks to deny their own true hatred of whites while condemning other black people for simply being honest about the black condition in the usa? As james baldwin said, his father worked for whites his whole life, was a christian man, and hated whites more than anyone. prayed to go to heaven to be free of whites. Heaven don't have to be happy. The funny thing about MLKjr's stance is nearly all black leaders in his time were against the Vietnam war. Poor Sammy is a complicated thing. Malcolm/Martin/Stokely/The Panthers/Muhammed Ali... name me five Black leaders in the usa during MLK jr's time who were for the vietnam war? White people in majority, thank you Ken Burns in PBS for the proof, were in majority for the vietnam war. The vietnam war made billions per year. So MLK jr being against the Vietnam war was a mistake in that the white people who placed him in an elevated media position in white media, not equal to his functional position in the anti jim crow movement, were publicly for the war or profiting off the war. 16 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: A cigarette-smoking, scotch- drinking, womanizing King was not perfect, but he fought the good fight, and paved the way for those who eventually came to criticize him for not having more foresight. I lived through King's era, and to me and my contemporaries, he was a real live hero who died a martyr. My parents and a number of my blood relatives who i was able to learn of their experiences during Kings life, older than king or younger than king, all spoke positively of him. None of them suggested any falsehood, but each was able to admit problems. As well as admit a more honest environment than you suggest. And I oppose the notion of MLK jr as a womanizer. Yes, I speak now as a heterosexual male. Yes, MLK jr like all heterosexual men gets a hard on for more than just the woman he loves with his heart. yes. A man doesn't love a woman less because his dick gets hard for a woman not his wife. Womanizer. MLK jr loved coretta scott king with his heart. And it isn't a knock on coretta scott king that another black woman just might have a sexier ass than hers. And as for cigarette smoking or drinking alcohol, this was what nearly all adults did at that time , why is that a negative on MLK jr? AKA Contrarian, if you have reached this far, .. MLK jr was a great black leader, who was human and made mistakes, which we in the future should be able to admit to so that we can do better. But, MLKjr was never the leader of the anti jim crow movement, he was one of many great black people who made intricate plans, but had to deal with white power which limited all results. @Pioneer1 just from a labeling perspective, this goes back to my issue with people using the term communism. I said it already, but communism is a form of fiscal capitalism. Communism isn't a form of socialism because of one party of governance under a government plus a government having a larger role as a fiscal operator. Communism is merely fiscal capitalism with one party having overwhelming majority and the government taking 80% or more of the fiscal operation. The usa in its very history had one party at one time, the federalist. Now the usa originally had a very financially impotent federal government who had very little of the fiscal operation , but the federal government of the usa today is without question the biggest fiscal operator in the usa, so barring two parties whose dysfunction makes them one plus the financial role of the federal government of the usa today? is not the usa communist? It is like I say with Troy race/class/rank/order/classification/species/clan all have the same basic definition. Some arrangement of things based on a factor. When black people or non blacks say, race doesn't exist? how? do humans being not look different? do human beings not have clan names? do human beings not call themselves by a religious label? race is ever present. Does this mean a consensus exist on race? no. No consensus exist on race. Yes, you will never get consensus on race, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. When you call yourself human, that is racist? And as always , for some reason, many humans hate the term bias. They love talking falsely on race and never like to use the word bias correctly, cause most instances of race is really bias. And that goes back to integration in the usa. White negative bias towards blacks mixed with white power means black people lived and most still live integrated while totally unequal or uneven to whites based on white negative bias. It is 2026. we have to stop using words falsely. Race is real, race will never have a consensus of definition, nor should it, but it is real, and comes in more forms than just phenotype. Fiscal capitalism has been the system throughout all humanity , yes in variations with elements of other ideas but always fiscal capitalsm at heart. The anti jim crow movement, was never led by one black leader because it lasted from 1865 to 1980, the entirety of the jim crow era which came after the era of slavery from 1492 to 1865 and was followed by the era of the rainbow coalition from 1980 to today. But slavery, jim crow, and the rainbow coalition eras are all forms of integration, with the levels of eveness or equality best in the rainbow, worst in slavert. And, the limitations Black people have in the usa were and always tied to the integration with whites which is not even or equal but more positive in those two ways than ever before. Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79390 Posted just now @aka Contrarian 20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: Be advised that I had no problem with King smoking and drinking and liking women because I'm not a prude. And I was drinking Scotch and smoking his brand of Salem cigarettes myself. are you a film noir lover?:) 20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: To me, his indulgences made him more human. And he also had a very droll sense of humor which I related to. well said:) 20 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: I speak from the zeitgeist of my environment when I comment on his leadership. I lived in the Midwest, not the Jim Crow South, and from our perspective, as spectators, he seemed to have just sprouted from nowhere, greatly helped by TV and his charisma. You'd be surprised how much of a spectator many "negroes" were during the civil rights era inasmuch as we were not in the trenches but, instead, simply offering the activists our moral and financial support. To us, the Movement was an idea whose time had come, and we admired and supported both him and Malcolm. I didn't know you were from the midwest, I see:) No I wouldn't, my elders said very clearly when we were watching malcolm x, , the film, I paraphrase "that is a lie, black people laughed at malcolm" My elders were there. this country, the usa , loves near history rewrites doesn't it. From the very beginning, the european colonies made mythos out of themselves. In one generation from the mayflower, white european invaders had created a false heritage of good peaceful folk trying to make their way in the world beset by wild savages who dont't comprehend civilization, said wild savages supposedly all native americans. Hell, most people supported the vietnam war. if you look at films, you will think the vietnam war was hated by most or at least opposed. but that isn't the truth. So the usa has a very negative heritage of lying about near history, which tends to become commonly accepted in it. Not in AALBC of course:) 1/17/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79431 @ProfD Well, first MLK jr alone didn't do anything. The idoltry to him I am 100% certain he would oppose cause MLK jr wasn't the leader of the anti jim crow movement, he was a leader. HE was part of a group of Black people doing many things, often in concert to help the larger village. So no matter what one black person is doing, if they are not part of a group of people doing similar it will come to nothing. where are the groups of Black people doing something together? Cause no one was a superman during the 1960s for black people. I don't think MLK jr would praise his activities or status so greatly. And not from modesty but honesty. How many black children have been killed by whites since MLK jr died? I count many. How many black peple have been assaulted by whites from no provocation of their own, being nonviolent, since MLK jr died? You speak of what MLK jr did and yet what he did wasn't enough to stop the millions of assaults on black people from his death to now in the usa by whites. Mae Louise Walls Miller was freed side her blood relatives from enslavement pre jim crow style in 1963. Malcolm was murdered 1965. MLK jr was murdered 1968. So Both men and many other black leaders died less than five years from a known case of black enslavement to a white in the usa... MLK jr was a great leader but the environment for the greater black people proved failures on the parts of those before him like boooker t washington or web dubois and the environment after mlk jr proved the failures on the part of MLK jr and his peers like malcolm. well so could MAlcolm, so could medgar evers... the list is long. Your speaking of one man when a large group of black people in the time MLK jr lived warranted as much or more than hime, and had as much or greater opportunity for personal financial betterment. 1/18/2025 CITATION https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79450 osted just now @ProfD 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Nowhere have I written that Dr. MLK Jr. was Superman. Of course, he was the spokesman for a movement. your correct, but he wasn't the leader, but a leader, and the spokesman role was given to him by others. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Because Dr. MLK Jr. was not a Supreme Being, there's nothing he could have done about those realities. exactly, but you presented a level of idolization to MLK jr that warrants anyone to state a less idolized opinion, which I did. I quote you, I On 1/15/2026 at 4:54 PM, ProfD said: I dare not criticize Dr. MLK Jr.s non-violent approach On 1/15/2026 at 4:54 PM, ProfD said: FBA/AfroAmericans and ALL Black people on the planet owe a huge debt of gratitude to him. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Again, in hindsight it's easy to claim Dr. MLK Jr.'s efforts "proved failures". Civil Rights and affirmative action doesn't happen without his influence and effort. I also mentioned other leaders, it is interesting that you focus on the mentioning of mlk jr when i mentioned leaders before or after him with the same failures, and said leaders before mlk jr were needed for the black collegiate movement/naacp /garveyites and et cetera which was mandatory in the early anti jim crow era for the later laws to come into being. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: Dr. MLK Jr.'s impact must have been significant from the number of schools, streets and other institutions named after him. again, that is media, not truth. The movement by Black people made the impact, white owned media + the black church created the myth of mlkjr as THE leader when he wasn't, he was a leader, among many, but he was the only leader that fit everything white media or the black church needed. And as in all the schools named after george washington who was a leader not THE leader of the colonies freeing from the english empire. 17 hours ago, ProfD said: there's nothing anyone can say or do that will ever make me question or minimize the impact Dr. MLK Jr. had on ALL Black people up to present and future. so mlk jr is beyond questioning ? i question all peoples. I don't have an idolization of anyone in that way, though i wonder how many black people similarly idolize bond. And, I never minimize the impact of the movement of Black people. It is interesting you focus so much on mlkjr. hiding behind the theme of this post your own idoltry. which I oppose. @Pioneer1 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I know very few human beings who are so far "above" even a philosophical critique. no human being is, because we are human being. But the problem is that, some people unfortunately, think negative judgement lessens the value of another, or questioning another lessers said anothers role. It is very jesus /pope/schrumpft like, that thinking. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: it seems he should have known how possible or impossible it would be for Black people to get along with these people. well, remember, black people when the usa was started still were able to get along, not all black people were enslaved. I am not suggesting, that anyone black should assume a peaceful life aside whites in the usa, but I Can see a black person coming to the conclusion that a peaceful coexistence can be a goal. Nothing is easy, but I can comprehend it. Would I have chosen it? no, but neither did nat turner, or assata shakur... so, I don't mind some black leaders having that path. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Federal law still always "trumps" (no pun intended) states' laws. Federal law supersedes state law like state law supersedes local law. right but this is why the congress is the only branch of government that can make law. the congress is born from the states. it isn't executive. even though schrumpft is part of a change started since abraham lincoln 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Because there was no threat to AfroAmerican culture to justify them doing so. hmmm I get your demographic position. but since the black populace was minoirty to the white, even before the 1900s immigrant waves, wasn't the heritage or culture of DOSers always in need of attention. Maybe not danger, but I don't think the black church built up what needed to be carried/heritage, or tended what needed to be grown/culture. It is interesting that sinners comes out one year before the usa's 250 year anniversary, one of the messages in the movie is the black churches hindrance. The blues players father, is a hater. a knocker. he doesn't want to help, he wants to knock. We all know how many black churches criminalized black people who didn't sing gods music, before 1940, as well as after. Your right, their wasn't competition among minoirty quantities in the populace BUT why did the black church not try to bridge booker t and wed dubois/garvey and dubois/ garvey and booker t? why did the black church treat blues and jazz musicians so negatively? why did the black church treat hustlers so negatively? the my way highway vibe of black churches before the immigrant waves came, i argue was very detrimental to the larger populace later. yes, cheap hindsight but it is clear. And i argue with their role, no excuse existed, no excuse. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Capitalists AND Dictators by controlling the workers, not giving them a real say-so, and enjoying the fruits of the labor of the masses. your wrong about china. China has an engaged bureaucracy. People vote, I argue china has more involvement of its people in its government than the usa does or a western european country does, not just in raws numbers but in percentage. Remember the current chinese government is a creature of the 19000s, and one born from being enslaved to the usa/japan/western union. Thsoe three groups taught china to dislike the media dysfunction of government. countries that have big songs and big flags that hide the ugliest realities. the usa calls itself the land of freedom, while in truth has only destroyed many peoples. the usa is a white european country trying to sell itself as it isn't. China is proud to be a chinese country, who at least is more honest to the immigrant than the usa by a mile. I know your a statian, Pioneer, you have a pride about the usa from the black history that supported it. And china as a white asian country, is an enemy of the usa, although why wouldn't china be when the usa at one time owned a piece of china. North korea is a monarchy. It isn't like china. And, because I don't find any government system sinful I will say, North Korea's has two problem. 1st is the usa, who has put north korea, like iran , like cuba, under a severe strain on all fronts. The historically funny thing is iran + cuba+ north korea have one thing in common, they each insulted the usa, neither actually ever committed a crime to the usa while the usa committed crimes to them. the usa invaded cuba using cuban traitors and failed, the usa's murdering europhile puppet in iran failed, and the usa invaded korea when north korea had the whole peninsula but north korea survived. After 9/11 the usa talked about being invaded and axis of evil, and lied about afghanistan or iraq, but, based on the reaction the usa had to 9/11, cuba+iran+north korea have the right to bomb the usa. 2nd, the kim jong clan have to embrace a simple truth, the usa took their fate, absent usa involvement all of korea is led by the kim jong clan, but the usa as a country of power meddled. tehe kim jong clan have to find a way to end the demilitarize zone. I know no koreans made the zone but that is the challenge. 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: So next time me and Troy get into a fight over the existence of multiple races, I expect you to answer the call and pull up to the scene for some back-up....LOL 10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: They should have started 30 or 40 years ago by vehently going after everybody....including other Black people...who were openly promoting what once were whispered rumors of his womanizing and cheating on Coretta. we all know the truth, the panthers/naacp/baptist preachers/drug dealers, the fbi and cia had agents everywhere. in all organizations including white ones. I have always asked that the old files be made public. I think all of humanity could use every single agent of the 1900s whether dead or alive exposed. cause I think that would explain a lot but.... @aka Contrarian 7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: that his people laughed at Malcom I said my forebears saw black people laughing at Malcolm, not that my forebears laughed. But yes, many people in harlem laughed at malcolm in the street. And your surprise shows the strength of media. media has created a myth of malcolm + mlk jr that is false. Two great leaders, more alike than different. each wanting integration or peace. Both eloquent speakers. their only true difference as leaders was mlk jr , from the christian baptist heritage, speaks through hope, while malcolm learned from his father, not elijah muhammed but his father, to speak through truth. white people in the usa historically hate any black person who speaks through truth far more than any other black person. the native american is irrelevant, the white american is a true sinner, black dosers are cowards, immigrant americans are foolish traitors. IT doesn't mean each has to be that way forever, or is that way in every single individual, but it is the majority truth. 8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: militant counterpart how do you define militancy? cause I have never seen malcolm as militant? I think he was a garveyite like his father, I think he did believe in self defense which his father+ mother needed, but so did mlk jr? is exhibiting self defense a sign of militancy? or is not saying things to make others comfortable , militancy? when I think black militancy, I think of nat turner/jean jacques dessalines/the black loyalists/the quilombos in south america/ann zhinga against the portuguese. I don't think of malcolm or the panthers. 1/18/2026 CITATION https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79464 @aka Contrarian 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: you disagreed with my calling Malcom X "militant" and asked what I consider "militant". Malcom was famous for the response he'd give when questioned about how he'd combat white aggression. "By any means necessary," was his adament response. And the Black Muslim quasi-military Fruit of Islam group presented the impression of being his back-up. This is a militant stance that didn't align with King's passive resistance philosophy which is why I and a lot of others considered Malcom militant. He talked tough. Wasn't Malcolm's father murdered by whites? around your neck of the usa in the midwest? He didn't talk tough, he talked from experience. The experience of a Black child who witnessed his nonviolent preacher father be murdered by whites for the crime of wanting black ownership and preaching to other black people to leave the usa if they are unhappy. A black child who witnessed his yella, black mother, be drove into a living prison by white power. MLK jr's father was never murdered by whites even though Gerogia is full of violent whites. MLK jr's mother was never drove into a living prison even though the bureaucracy of georgia has done so to many black women. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: And I disagree with your implication that Malcom was in agreement with MLK on integration. He wasn't entirely opposed to white assistance but he was iinitially a black separatist advocate until he broke ranks with Elijah Muhammad later on. Malcolm was born from parents who were exodusters or garveyites or preacher folk? right? wasn't that malcolm's guidance as a youth. Exodusters aren't militant or segregated. yes, they want seperate places in the usa for black people , but they never advocated violence except in self defense. And isn't self defense eternally warranted by black people based on white actions? What year have whites not harmed a black person and gotten away with it in the usa? I argue MAlcolm , pre during or post elijah muhammed , always embraced that some black folk need to leave white countries all together in a true segregation/garvey, some black folk need to have their own seperate places in a white country/exodusters , but malcolm learned that some black folk can live amongst whites/integrated as in slavery or jim crow or now, but that doesn't mean they should not have the protection his parents didn't have. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: And it should also be noted that during the MLK and Malcom era, TV talk shows were all the rage. These 2 black spokesmen were popular guest panalists on these airings and what came out of their mouths during these discussions was what defined them. They made their positions clear on live TV and were very articulate in doing so. Malcolm never wanted to be a cult leader, which is what elijah muhammed plus the other pastors of the nation of islam wanted by their actions. They used malcolm, the same way the southern black christian pastors, who were also cult leaders, used mlk jr as a front man for their activities. as stokely carmichael said, can you imagine a black baptist preacher not accepting a cadillac. 1 hour ago, aka Contrarian said: But their influence lives on and black Americans owe them a debt of gratitude. 100% true and I must add We black people in the usa and arguably all blacks in all humanity owe the whole movement of Black empowerment from the era of enslavement plus the era of jim crow , a debt of gratitude. And I hope we can learn from MLK jr teachings as well as Malcolms and many others. MAlcolm for me teaches a valuable lesson about early efficiency, don't let your idol ruin your plan. For me, MAlcolm had the best leadership skills among all black leaders in the usa when he lived, but he had one flaw he never recovered from, he allowed his idolization for an older black leader, in his case elijah muhammed , to cloud or manipulate his larger planning. That was a mistake. MLK jr for me teaches a valuable lesson in handling handlers, two questions AkaContrarian with a setup and amendment, and @ProfD + @Pioneer1 I ponder your thoughts to the three elements as well. Here is the setup when Sean Bell's father was asked in media what he felt, after his son was murdered by law enforcement in the new york city through forty one bullet shots, sean bell's father said he wanted the law enforcers dead. And al sharpton, the white media, the lawyers for the bell family, didn't have him around for anything afterward... It is clear the form of passive resisitance many blacks in the usa adhere to seems a complete form, that doesn't accept violence in weapons or closed fists but also in discourse. my questions, 1) has that interpretation of passive resistance broken up many black clans/homes? 2) do black people who adhere to passive resisitance criminalize plus illegalize [both not just one, meaning make a return of violence criminal while also have an unwritten black legal code that illegalizes black people who don't adhere by excommunication in various ways] actions by black people or black people themselves who don't adhere? in amendment, I think of two things. 1. amiri baraka who said the bussers were crazy getting ice cream and assaulted while doing nothing. 2. a black woman in texas, a matriarch, who told two nephews to leave texas after whites had assaulted their home and they wanted to act violently in return. I realize now, the language I need to have. And thank you three Contrarian/pioneer/profd for getting me to this place. When contrarian you said passive resistance, it made me realize to what extremes you refer to. The words/phrase resistance or nonviolence or passive or militant or violent keep getting used. But the issue here is the faith in the rule of law. Not the "rule of law" but " faith in the rule of law" as opposed to "function based on the life of black people" I see the lines from crispus attics, the black people who embraced whites like george washington before during or after 1776 in the enslavement era + Frederick Douglass, the black people who fought for the union or confederacy +MLK jr, the black people who nonviolently in all ways fought for black empowerment in the later years of jim crow era, Barrack Obama, the black people in the age of the rainbow, a set of black people have a "faith in the rule of law" such that even if the law is designed against black people, even if the law allows non blacks to terrorize black people, even if the law can't protect blacks from being terrorized by non blacks, each of said groups actions show a faith that the legal system, the law, in its processes and eventual result is satisfactory, even if the law fails during their lifetime to change for the better. They are willing to die in the courtroom, even as tulsa burns and black pregnant women are being hung. In parallel, from the black loyalists, black people who committed to vendetta against the whites of the colonies, white people of england didn't enslave blacks in the colonies, it was white colonist and colonialist before during or after 1776 in the enslavement era+ Nat Turner or Exodusters, the black people who retaliated when the law failed , wanted self defense, not isolation+ Malcolm who never felt black people should allow or invite harm from others which faith demands, when the law didn't protect black people from white terror in the jim crow era, to Assata Shakur and the many blacks later who have left the usa in the age of the rainbow, a set of black people have a "function based on the life of black people" such that the historical facts of the law working against black people, law allowing non blacks to terrorize black people, law not protecting blacks from being terrorized by blacks, prove to said folks a need/demand/function to act outside the law which can not be denied for a truly free black peoples whether they have white neighbors or not, even if they know they are disadvantaged, maybe inevitably, or if nonlegal actions fail during their lifetime for the better. They are willing to die outside the courttoom, even if non black power or black allegiances to the courtrom give advantages. I ponder if a bridge can be made between faith or function? 01/19/2026 CItation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79482 Posted just now @aka Contrarian I am not trying to change your mind , I am trying to comprehend from your point of view where militancy ends or begins with black people in the usa. I assume, but you haven't been exact, that a black person in the usa is militant anytime they have any action, verbal or non verbal that is aggressive, regardless of situation. If I comprehend you correctly, then Sean Bell's father is militant for speaking ill to those who murdered his son. Protestors who throw bottles in reaction to being hosed or shot at are militant. I comprehend fully that Malcolm is militant from your point of view based on how i assume you define militancy, but based on your definition, I assume, you categorize many black people as militant. I don't view malcolm,sean bell's father, protestors reacting to violent attack as militant. To me, self defense does not suggest militancy. Self defense isn't nonviolent, but it isn't militant, to me. But I want to comprehend your thinking better. As for the first question, and I speak to @ProfD I wish I knew with the population of descended of enslaved in the past or today how many in our homes have or have not schismed on the relationship on how to relate to whites, before the usa or after the usa, as the usa doesn't really matter in this issue. This issue is really about the white colonialist and their descendants and the black enslaved and their descendants. I wish I knew. IT would be very revealing. Cause, even if it is 40% or 30% that is a lot. Maybe it is 5% , tiny. I wonder when 1865 hit how was it? and it yields another question in my mind, why doesn't this question come up more? Every single black person knows personally, offline a spectrum of black people who relate differently to whites. Black comedians have a whole mountain of jokes on this topic. So why is it, black churches, black organizations, rarely speak on this? it isn't a secret. I have many questions and no way to get answers. The second question is in series to the first. I wish I knew the truth. I guess more so , you guys guess less, but what is the truth? No one will know sadly, unless someone has a time machine and a huge ledger. And of course, the problem is in the wording, what defines a schism in the home? what defines criminalization or unwritten illegalization? the details or definitions even with the same information can provide various results... I don't know. I wish I knew , cause it matters. I argue how black people relate to white people in the usa , in black peoples own communal sphere, is a big thing. And shouldn't be some private issue or some shrugged issue because it is really an all black affair. Hell, even Tyler perry has mentioned this issue a lot in his work. As to the third, at least on the issue of faith to rule of law versus function based on black history, a schism exist between you, aka contrarian and profd as members of aalbc And for me, the issue isn't about right or wrong but how important these stances are in the larger scheme of things. Black people who believe in faith in the rule of law, are willing to be harmed and abused by whites, rather than break the law. That is a big stance in our populace, arguably globally. Cause black people globally are abused by non blacks. so black people anywhere in humanity who are willing to be abused rather than break the law, can never relate to white people the same way as black people who function for self defense or revenge or vendetta [three different things but all are violent] based on black history . And as you both know I think of what to do tomorrow? I don't know how to bridge that issue. I never forget telling a friend of mine. If I was a pastor of a church and a white man entered the church I manage, I would told that white man to leave immediately, and go to st patricks church down the street, this is a black church. in the usa, White people historically or modernly can not be trusted intermingling with blacks. whites will 99% of the time harm blacks. the quantity of events where whites harmed blacks proves this more than anything. Not 100% no, not 100% but 99% yeah. Look at black towns today, black farms today, black regions in white cities today? No, do whites kill blacks and brand blacks today? no, but harm still? many times yes. Obama sang amazing grace for that church that white man murdered people in. And while I know that church is open to all phenotypes, that nonviolent openness as closing based on phenotype is a form of violence based on how nonviolence is implemented by many, that nonviolent position is what got black people killed. and, the law will not heal that, the law didn't protect those people. So how can a movement exist among black people in the usa, holistically in populace, with such a divide of way of life? I argue near impossible. The usa is full of white peoples, white people [white europeans/white asians/white latinos/white muslims/white women/white jews combined are the majority] compared to blacks. so, any plan has to consider how white people fit. and ... 1/19/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79486 @aka Contrarian 37 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said: Just go with your assumptions. Why do I have to justify my sentiments to you? All of this is hypothetical. Assumptions are worthless, comprehension has value and if I don't comprehend someone else I ask them, beginning with I don't know, which is wisdom. Comprehension has nothing to do with justification, a thing of justice, meaning a thing determining right or wrong. I am not thinking in terms of right or wrong. I am not asking questions of you to be right or wrong, but to comprehend. Now you may not want me to comprehend you or may think another comprehending you is unimportant, but I don't live like that so I ask, with no demands of an answer. But I will continue to ask anyone to comprehend more. all of this is under an idea, maybe, the discourse in this post is about how black people relay to each other, and it is proof, at the least, that black people in 2026 have a lot we don't comprehend about each other and more importantly, the lack of comprehension makes collective action inevitably faulty. 1/19/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79495 ed just now @aka Contrarian 2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said: You are much too subjective. It's always about you and your compulsion to be omniscient, and ultimately omnipotent. You obviously want to solve all the problems of the world. Good luck with that goal. no I don't want to solve all the problems in the world. first, because some problems can't be solved, they have to be lived through. They have to be given their time, even in full gruesomeness. I learned that a relative long time ago. second, because I know exactly what I want, and comprehend the prosequences plus consequences of any action. I was fortunate enough to have the time and space to learn that, and what I want isn't what you say I want. I don't want to know all, oomiscient, or have all power, omnipotent. first, because either is impossible. To know all you have to know not merely about all today, but all yesterdays and all tomorrows... for any finite being, that is impossible. And you can never have all the power unless you can become all, and no finite being can become all. My rearing by my parents taught me that as a child. I do enjoy communicating and learning through communication. And I was taught as a child to always expand my knowledge as much as I can. Limiting the value of nothing. Thank you for the luck:) 1/20/2026 END OF MULTILOG FOR 2026 At the end of the multilog for 2026, discussing MLK jr and non violence, I thought about nonviolence effectiveness and came to a realization. The nonviolent movements problem isn't the absence of violence. The nonviolent movements problem is inability of admitting what is needed to get results. The nonviolent movement says all acts are violence: verbal/tactile/financial/explosive or other are not permitted as actions. But the question is how can one be effective nonviolently. Many suggest turn the other cheek but if someone raped your sister, killed your father, slapped you with metal knuckles. You turning the other cheek doesn't generate punishment to the abuser. You turning the other cheek allows the abuser to get away with abusing. And I thought about various violent actions: a black girl flung to the ground by a law enforcer, the mountain of domestic violence cases that the new york police department doesn't try to solve but allows to stack, my own personal interactions with law enforcement trying to intimidate or approaching violently to me absent any provocation from me. And I realized, the NAACP probably never took to court even one percent of the cases of white violence[from terrorism to spitting] against black people in the united states of america. Alice , the black woman enslaved in the 1960s means, the number of crimes by whites to blacks in the 1800s was astronomical. Nothing can be done about the past, but arguably half of the white populace in the usa and a higher percentage in the south, never faced any legal proceedings for their violence. And that impotency in results is the weakness in nonviolent philosophical supporters. Responding by violence can come in many forms but responding nonviolently can only occur through the court of law. But, the usa will require millions of lawyers acting pro bono, for good or absent pay, to even get near 25% of the cases of white violence to blacks. But now I know what to tell nonviolent adherents. Because no idea is evil or good, the only issue is implementation. MLK jr plus others felt nonviolence could change the usa for the better through changing laws. But I realize the flaw in that thinking. Changing laws doesn't change habits. Doesn't impose the rule of law in regions. The civil rights act of 1963 hasn't protected one black person from white violence. But if fifty percent or above of incidents between nonblack violent actors to black people in the USA was sent to court, I can't be certain the usa will be better quickly, but I am certain it is the only way, nonviolence can lead to betterment. Fiscal capitalism will fail black folk cause having money doesn't deter white violence, ask tulsa. Being law abiding will fail black folk cause abiding by the law doesn't protect you from those who do not, ask trayvon martin or sean bell or abner luima or many others. Turning the other cheek will fail black people because the person who needs to turn the other cheek is the white abuser/enslaver/terrorist. The court room is the only place that will aid black people because the cost from verdicts in favor of blacks , whether criminal or civil, allows white terrorist/enslavers/abusers to pay nonviolently. But it has to be at an unprecedented level in the usa. I read somewhere that the NYPD's criminal behavior costs New York City hundreds of millions of dollars. If I combine the reality of most cases of white abuse to blacks not making the courtroom and the cost of verdicts in black favor being quite expensive to the government, I see that taking white violent behavior to court is the only way Black nonviolent people can plan to get results from their philosophy, in the usa. 1/23/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79554 osted just now @Troy 3 hours ago, Troy said: Race is purely an arbitrary social construct with no basis in genetics. I will change the adjective to inevitable. but even enough:) 1/23/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79567 osted just now @Delano Before you can ask if one is free you must define freedom. So, I ask you to define freedom and then I can easily answer your question are Blacks, whether descended of enslaved or not, free. But, if anyone answer a question of freedom absent defining freedom first it will only give an uneven answer. 1/23/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79577 osted just now @Delano 6 minutes ago, Delano said: In every conversation words generally have two meanings, the dictionary and the personal. Define it however you wish. @richardmurray You didn't ask me the meaning of freedom. YOu asked me On 1/23/2026 at 4:48 AM, Delano said: Would you say US Blacks are free? And I replied, when you ask whether anyone or thing is free, define what it means to be free in the question and then I or anyone else can easily answer. I didn't ask you, you asked me. But you want me to define words that you used in your question however I wish. No, that is bad communication. You tell me how you define freedom and then I will answer your question... I seek to improve how i communicate always. 1/24/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/#findComment-79617 Posted just now @Delano how do you define freedom? I will like to know. do you define freedom as thing for the living or a thing for the living plus the dead? no answer you make is wrong or right. 1/26/2026 Citation https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12293-mlk-jr-day-is-on-the-19th-in-2026/page/2/#findComment-79744 sted just now @Delano @Pioneer1 @ProfD nice trilog on the question of the quality of freedom when one is dead. It is full of thought, as death plus freedom don't have universal definition, nor is communication to the deceased proven to those who never experienced it or comprehended robustly enough to those who have experienced it to clarify freedom's quality to those who are dead. The living can only guess how freedom , however defined for someone living, is to those who are dead, which isn't the dead communicating their position. A guess isn't wrong, but a guess isn't right, itis a thesis. In this case three thesis, well done.

   • June 19, 20251 yr
10. Richard Murray Creative Table 5
    

    Richard Murray Creative Table 5

    richardmurray posted a blog entry in Richard Murray Hearth

    MY CREATIVE TABLE Perihelion 2025 , 2024 work list , art vs artist 2024 , Poetic Critique of Luthien and Beren by jjwinters , critmas 2024 , secret santa 2024, Book Review: Freedom at Dawn: Robert Smalls’s Voyage Out of Slavery , Story Pitch contest 2025 , synthographers conversations 2024 , Black Romantic Compulsory Figures , Flash Fiction February 2025 , Candace Sulcus of the Sanawoc series , Aeolian Heart Harp, Around The First Flail , The Fulgurantess , The Vernal Rose , Ume to Sakura , Cotton Candy Cloud Rabbit , Sudoo, The Great Original Character Snowfight , Vibration 58 , The Echo Of Tanit's Cries , Mandala Tutorial , Malintra Shadowmoon 2025 bday gift , Black MErmaid DTIYS , Come Now Blackfish , Chilli SKype Goodbye , Mermaid Trio , A Gardin Wedding Book review, Bard songs crliterature, where are they now elaine ghostbusters 2 , Juneteenth 2025 challenge + the freemans complaint , literary vertie : juneteenth 2025 x usa 250 ,dj komax , Fulgurantess +DJ KOmax in kemet, Fulgurantess faing DJ KOmax , attempted scam, BGE deviant watching search, where are they now salvadore , sudowoodo library for charity, making a protagonist , alien-queen77 Deimyn dtiys, making a protagonist, making antagonist, Community Stories 001 p1 p2 p3 , Message in a bottle , where is farmer ted , august birthday writing challenge , what black DOS descendens gave, female troll smoking substance, Malhwie , Between The Tide , Deviantart 25 year coloring book, Book review Miles of Style from Lisa Braithwaite , Book review Adam and Eve make a big mistake from Jean Ann Field Ridley , Book review Soil Sisters Magical Garden Adventures from Bobbi side Thomas Simmons , Book review I wrote you 37 letters from Dee Miller , Book review The Gardins of Eden from Rosey Lee , Book review Hamilton Heights and Sugar Hill from Davida Siwisa James , Book review Freedom at Dawn from Leah Schanke , Book review A Gardin Wedding from Rosey Lee , where is norma rae now , 2025 crliterature challenge closed , heavy metal magazine loctober voting booths, where is ione sykes now- the last grave ,Heavy Metal Loctober Voting Booth closed, Invisible Raptor film review, promptibilities rollercoaster , if I only had , Cento poetry series end, Richard Murray's Public Literary Challenge Listing , Zero's Unfolding Adventure , Richard Murray's Public Literary Challenge Examples Listing , The siberyaki, The Omnitard, The receptrix , Machine stories complete, including trilog nativity/steps to the heart/it's a wonderful future/a dialog of extrasolence/the asteroid of dr makup , Never really sucked at this- pea in the pod, Ghost of Galleries past- giant pseudozombie manual mobile fortress , the promotion, Relaxing Sudowoodo for Shoebox Charity 2025 , Postvitanihilism , What would I do as a ghost, Postvitanihilism view , abyss border, crliterature 2025 banner , fella birthday photo , loctober 2025, tittober 2025, fella 2025 yearbook challenge, where is Duckie Now story, NRC 3 , shoebox charity 2025, my first deviantart stamp , mytime at deviantart launchpad25 , whereare they now duckie , Where are they now sent stamp , NRC 4 , NRC 5 , Ororo Munroe Coolbeaniebabez gif , December 2025 Acrostic challenge content [sol fu do know, the kwanzaa song, the mascots ] , December 2025 solstice acrostics challenge + stamp , escarp into the unknown where are they now- over the garden well, , Comprehending Euler Forward , critmas 2025 , what makes a masterpiece, Nicky cheered by Mimada , wirt and greg see nef's phone, ? THE BLACK TABLE the representatives of the people , afrofuturism from tananarive due + steven barnes , Cicely Tyson in the Blue Bird, Miss Black America, Avery Brooks saving Sisqo , Miss Evers Boys from Movies That Move We, The Demise of DEI , Juneteenth in december 18th- the 13th amendment , New York Amends 13th amendment , 13th amendment proposed , Black Twitter is , Nina Simone, Madamoiselle Hazel Scott , Roberta Flack , Hazel Roberta Nina , stephanie mills, separation 101, is tribalism natural, k-12 booklist , alicia mccalla seo, k-12 book list , what google taught me alicia mccalla , sly stone , thoughts on domestic triangle , ryan cooglers sinners , tubi + kickstarter , black male whitephilia , the legend of pearline , school daze , p diddy not convicted , sinners from movies that move we, walter scott of the whispers , billy eckstine , Black Thomas Crown, be present but don't lie about the past, Inayu age of wonders , nollywood animated films, Blake from MArtin Delaney , the garies from francis johnson webb , negro spirituals + work songs , 1800s black statian fiction , why freedom african filmmakers , National association of Black bookstores , Nichelle Nichols, Bill Russell , lifewriting-steven barnes tananarive due -three lies about writing horror , 100 films black movie hall of fame, Fiyah sinner saints haints , Moonlight and MAwazo , Mammoth + Stage 32 contest, aka contrarian birthday, shannon sharpe, the blackfish , Boomerang romance songs, The Sword from Shawn Alleyne , Paths of Bimshire from Shawn Alleyne , Don't Call Me Crazy! 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    • January 4, 20251 yr
11. Chevalier review on Movies That Move We
    

    Chevalier review on Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

    1:02 Thank you for saying the truth. I wonder what your thoughts are to non documentarian biopics influencing how people view identities in history? 1:53 The movie was written by Stefani Robinson < https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/atlanta-writer-stefani-robinson-talks-female-creator-label-1130971/ > I Quote her "Being a woman is not in the forefront of my mind every second of every day. I am a woman, I live as a woman, and my perspective is most definitely female, but there’s this implication that for me (or women) to create a piece of work ?or put myself into the shoes of others, I have to somehow filter it ?through this resolute female mental block. It’s a contradiction, because I’m proud to be a woman and want females to be celebrated. But on the other hand, the focus on that sometimes feels a little condescending and demeaning." The problem with all artists who suggest araciality is they forget no artist has the ability to create absent bias. Bias isn't always negative. In Chevalier, her desire to show this competitive mulatto artist in France is from her own view, but the film could had went another way that may have achieved greater reception. I quote her again "Representation absolutely matters. The fact that I didn’t have many female TV writers to look up to when I was young is a big reason why I felt compelled to pursue ?my career. But I reject the idea that you can only tell a story if you’ve lived it. How clinical and boring. Artists should have the freedom to explore anything that moves. But this also demands that everyone is allowed a seat at the table.?" The problem with many of my fellow artists is they confuse labels with restrictions. And they confuse the ability to tell a story with the ability to tell a story with a perspective that will reach out to all. I am black, male, hetero, anglo <the language i primarily speak is english>. Does this mean I can't write a story inspired by don quixote? of course not. Am I from spain? no. Do I speak spanish? no. But I can still write a story about don quixote. BUT, if I am free to wrtie what I want will my culture emit through my telling of don quixote? yes. And of course, what will the commercial quality of my work be? well, that is a complicated question but at the end of the day, do those who are interested in my work or variants of don quixote have a large enough quantity and, will my work be able to attract those who are not interested in my work or don quixote? I have been writing my entire life, I have no bounds, but just because I can create whatever I want doesn't mean commercially it is viable? And based on what she has written in the past, has she shown viability in the genre of biopics? And to the movie, after chevalier, would you pay for her to write another? This is the key between all artists creativity side commerciality. Edgar Allen Poe, a white man , died poor, and not financially grand. Mark Twain wasted fortunes made from books with various ventures, but earned a lot of money. But today, many more know more references of Poe over Twain. Does it make either artist bad creatively? no. Does it mean either artists has different qualities commercially ? yes Opportunity to make profit is rare for all artists but when given an opportunity if you fail to make money, you fail. And even if statistics are skewed or augmented to emphasize failures unfairly, it is up to the artists to keep creating. I paraphrase <I am typing one go , no checking> the preface of the play , The Escape by William Wells Brown "This play was written for my own amusement , and not with the remotest thought that it would ever be seen by the public eye. I read it privately, however to a circle of my friends, and through them was invited to read it to a Literary Society . Since then, the drama has been given in various parts of the country. By the earnest solicitation of some in whose judgement I have the greatest confidence, I now present it in a printed form to the public. As I never aspired to be a dramatist, I ask no favor for it, and have little or not solicitude for its fate. If it is not readable, no word of mine can make it so; if it is, to ask favor for it would be needless" And I paraphrase, same as before WEB Dubois, who isn't my favorite writer , but is true sometimes. "The Negro today fears any attempt of the artist to paint Negroes. He is not satisfied unless everything is perfect and proper and beautiful and joyful and hopeful. He is afraid to be painted as he is, lest his human foibles and shortcomings be seized by his enemies for the purposes of the ancient and hateful propoganda" My two points using the two paraphrases above < and I apologize for all this preaching, my own preaching does sicken me> is first, to emphasize an eternal truth, whether in the late 1800s or on MArs circa 2672, Black artists, like all other artists in humanity, are totally free to create whatever we want, but that doesn't mean we warrant or must be given opportunity to profit from it; and , second, that Black DOS artist, like all other artists in humanity, need to feel no shame in admitting thier culture , including all of its unique ways, like being the only people forced to immigrate to the american continent and enslaved in it. 3:33 That is a great artistic question from Nike. In films concerning characters in history, the film industry has common aspects. For example, anytime a white jewish character is in film at the time period commonly called world war II, significant time is always, always given to concentration camp life for jews,always. I have personally witnessed in many writing groups, black writers desire an end to the mentioning of enslavement to whites in the usa or the european colonies that preceded it. And I comprehend the source of this artistic movement. Black DOSers have a problem. We are the only group that was forced to immigrate and exist enslaved in the usa, the only one, so no oher group in the usa has our fiscal /governmental/cultural path in the usa, no other group. In the arts this is played out whenever slavery is displayed. So to be apart of the usa en large, if black people simply dismiss our enslavement in the arts, we are internally moving from it to join the other groups in the usa. Enslavement to whites will always be a historical fact, but the arts have the ability to create perceptions to the past, ala Bastille day in france or the october revolution in russia are prime examples. The french republic didn't start at bastille day , but those in power in france wanted to create a living myth that the french republic was started at the time marie antoinnette lost her head. But it isn't true, monarchism thrived long after the bastille was stormed ala Napolean and his descendents. And same to Russia, the February revolution is where the Czar really lost it, and he chose to step down willingly, the legislative body of russia , like in most governments with a highly multiracial populace was unable to finda center where non exist, which is perfectly human, and thus led to more chaos later that year in october. But, this is the power of modern myths, designed to make more complicated stories simple. It is easier to say, France rid itself of monarchy with the chopping of marie antoinette's head, it is easier to say the russian monarchy was blindsided by the power of the peasants, it is easier to say the usa is the land of the free and the home of the brave merely with the signing of a declaration of independence. Bullshit. 3:47 Joseph Bologne was lucky. The reality is, many Black artist like to use rare black examples and tout that as the story to emphasize in a time. Were all black people ensalved to whites in the european colonies that became the UA? no , but does that mean the story of land owning blacks needs to be emphasized over the over ninety percent of black people completely enslaved to whites? I say no. Robinson chose to do what I heard in black writing circles many black writers suggest, I quote :"why do we have to talk about slavery all the time". The majority in any community dictates most of their narrative, the black community in the usa his an anaomaly in that the minority in the black community in the usa tedns to try to dictate the larger narrative. Ala the talk about human equality , fighting for freedom, being statian <allegiance to the usa> , and many philosophies stem from the black minority in the black community in the usa, in opposition to the black majority in the usa which is historically or modernly, anti white, anti usa, pro segregation, yes seperate while equal. Note: Remember, the plantation is a form of integration. 6:10 yes, mullato is little mule. The Casta is something started by spain and this is where the terms, mestizo/mullatto/alvino/quadroon/octoroon come from. The problem with Casta is that it is a natural insulting system. Think of the Caste system in india. People like the Dalit are deemed less than by others in the more potent castes. It is an automatic insult. Saying Mulatto wasn't like saying Nigger. It is more like when someone is called black in the usa and they say, why do you have to call me black. It goes back to the writer and that philosophy or human equality. Don't call someone by a label, call someone by how they want to be referred to. So not the black dancer who made thriller but michael jackson who made thriller. The problem is not everyone is insulted when called mulatto. In South America, the simon bolivar side others were proud mestizoes, which is word kin to mulatto. For the record: mestizo is white parent side native american <regardless of native american phenotype> , Mulatto is white side black <regardless of geographic lineage, so native american or african or asian>, albino or quadroon is someone with morisco and white european <morisco parents are white and mulatto, mullatos paretns are white european and black> , octoroon is from a quadroon with another white european parent. Someone like rebecca hall, director of the film passing basedon the book by nella larson falls somewhere in that range of octorron and quadroon. ala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Castas_07tornatras_max.jpg Is Casta or terms from it like Mulatto based on genetics , no. It is science, or knowledge, but it is based on lineage. And why does lineage matter historically? law plus inheritance. This is why the descendent of Gannibal <a statue of him is in russia today>, Alexander Pushkin <russians know this writer in russian literary circles> own descedents are all white. Gannibal < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/Петровское._Бюст_А.П._Ганнибала.jpg > Ossip Abramovich Gannibal Nadezhda Ossipovna Gannibal < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/N.O.Puskina.jpg > Alexander Pushkin < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Kiprensky_Pushkin.jpg > Natalia Alexandrovna Pushkina < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Pushkinana.jpg > Sofia Merenburg < https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countess_Sophie_of_Merenberg#/media/File:Countess_Sophie_of_Merenberg,_Countess_de_Torby_(LOC_ggbain.00604).jpg > from Sofia Anastasia de Torby < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/De_Torby_Anastasiya_Mikhailovna.jpg > Nadejda de Torby < https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Nadejda_Mountbatten%2C_Marchioness_of_Milford_Haven_(LOC_ggbain.16855).jpg > You may scoff at my going through this but do the research on their lives and you will notice their background had influence on their rank or inheritance. It is that simple. What is the problem? In modernity in the USa, the aracial philosophy that many aspire to, suggest that any system that disallows individuals is by default an extremely negative system. The Casta/Lineages determining inheritances all are against individual rights, which is what the writer by her own words above champions and it appears in her screenplay. But it is misplaced in the context of France during Joseph Bologne's time. Said France isn't the USA 2023. White people in France duing said time did not freely intermarry with each other. The caste/rank/lineage mattered to those with money, rightyl or wrongly, so to suggest a modern sentiment is a falsehood historically. But, is artistically acceptable. But notice it is both and how that relates commercially. This movie didn't shake up the world. 7:43 yes, European countries in the 1700s , 1800s , had very small black populaces, so small the term negligible can be applied. And in Europe, the peasant, the descendant of the White statian was the lowest class. And to be blunt, while blacks could never be considered royals in europe at that time, i argue, from Gannibal to Thomas Alexandre, while they were never regals in europe, to suggest they lived liked white peasants in europe is a lie. And I argue, that modern Black people living in white countries: usa or in western europe, falsely attribute to them an equality goal when I think they merely did what all did in the regale system of europe which is social climb. 99% knew they will never be the crowned but the goal of all was to reach for it. And the playground in between the regale and the no name peasant is where the action was. 8:50 yes that was a funny modernity. BUt I will say this, if that conversation did happen, I would had loved to hear that back in the day. Pourquoi n'epouser pas un Africain ? 10:30 exactly or white peasants. 10:46 yes, the white father in marie antoinette's time gave the black father after ronald reagan in the usa time speech, very tropy:) of Robinson, I wish I knew if that was true. 12:46 To be fair, Europe had a long history of art destroying, ala bonfires, through religious movements or wars and the period commonly called the french revolution <remember bastille day is a lie> was chaotic to no end. 14:46 yes at the end of the day I see in chevalier, Robinson as a fellow artist who by her own admission is contained in a multiracial while unfair media environment <hollywood> or country <usa> stating how the strategy of non violent artistically endeavored growth is a tradition for black people in white countries and the friction that provides said black folk with their phenotypical peers <like his mother who questions his intents or desires> or the white people with whom he wants to be embrace <marie antoinette's court>. Now none of his life is easily confirmed. But, from what I comprehend from a distance, the real guimard, whom he spurned, had influence over the court and undermined him in getting the opera position. While, the real Marie Josephine was abandonned by her husband in real life. I wonder why Robinson chose the style of interpreting them. For someone so interested in universalism, why not admit the woman Chevalier snubbed, Guimard, the daughter of an out of wedlock relationship some call love child, was bitter and worked against him. Robinson makes her more of an after thought when I think a great lesson in their relationship of two people born into low classes where he rejects and in her bitterness as any woman may have, used her influence to go against him a little. While the woman he supposedly wanted, married to an Soldier engineer but a man whose financial fortunes went up and down, had a baby whose destiny is unknown. Robinson choses to caricature Marc Rene into a Simon Legree light. I could be totally wrong on the history of Bologne but if what I know from gossip is true, I think how she constructed the relationship between the Chevalier side Guimaud/Marie Josephine/MArie Antoinette is her free artistic choice but doesn't align to her publicized viewpoints. I do think the mugging of him side his friend which is actually on record, though the source is uncertain, would had been a great tool to the power of universalism. Bologne fenced more and had, to be blunt, more complicated affairs than Robinson lets on and denies Bologne's life, even in a fictional nondocumentarian interpretation, the seat at the table or the absence of a filter she says she warrants or can provide as an artist in her modern workplace.

    

    • July 11, 20233 yr
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12. Richard Murray Creative Table 3
    

    Richard Murray Creative Table 3

    richardmurray posted a blog entry in Richard Murray Hearth

    MY CREATIVE TABLE Moments In a Day of Mumu : first rohonamo story, Art Summary 2022 , Sudowoodo plushie, Promoting positivity, Valentines day 2023 question and answer, Black history month 2023 q&a, my first stageplay , Messages at the end of a rainbow letter 1 , Joys of one north or somewhere -wabi sabi, , Fun Ninjago, Pubg submission <The Spacescraper>, Death by Example storyboardfilm, Shani and the shadow, phillipe my imaginary spirit animal , Commission Aevemor, I.S.D. Cup ,Faefarm , The Ancestral Tree + Brah Soul Sun for Juneteenth 2023 and more, witches pendant 3d, Violet Pantheress, The Incomplete Labors Of Judasa, Photomanipulation for Xena , Love That Pass Ships In The Night, Innocent Little Margaret, The Spider and the &nbsp;Chuki+ Sarah's Part Times, Around the Moon in 80 risings, adoptables august 2023, 3d art summer 2023, princess candace in the kingdom of glass, Old man and the sea for set sailt , Week 3 bettfic , Bayonetta -super smash bros collab, left hand tutorials first of 2023, honoring francois artblog, Pokemon random colors, &nbsp;Pokemon Rainforest, MA'am and week 4 of Bettsfic, For Supertiti09 as a participation price , Dedenne rainforest, The Swim ACross the Colby Elv, Autumn art + drawtober phase 1, supertiti09 variant and promptpot day 11/12 of october, cursed costumes day 1 -best baddies , dtiys poetry-sikarengo+mswisp+namwiki, fright-ing month complete includes dtiys sikarengo+mswisp+namwiki+goblin+scare &nbsp;set poems with 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    • February 14, 20233 yr
    • 1 comment
13. Entergalactic reviewed by Movies That Move We
    

    Entergalactic reviewed by Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Black Literature

    glad to see you guys back:) 2:36 keith david is getting work late in the career 4:11 interesting, they made the characters indicative of the voice actor 8:05 good point an african american romantic animation 10:03 oh nike, you and your sexual themes ahhhh, great show:)

    • September 24, 20241 yr
14. Richard Murray Creative Table 4
    

    Richard Murray Creative Table 4

    richardmurray posted a blog entry in Richard Murray Hearth

    MY CREATIVE TABLE 2023 art summary , December 2023 secret santa, Richard Murray Centos 2023, Princess Candace New Year, Jiausiku 1-2-3 Shadow 1 , weird fashion, Dark Soul photomanipulation, Dark Academia, Valentine's Nostalgia, Jiausiku 4-5-6 &nbsp;Shadow 2-3 , Biden state of the union reply, Jiausiku shadow 4, sign on a signpost, Mandala Sphere, Jiausiku shadow 5 part 1 , march 2024 ai challenge, my 4 days at the National Black Writers Conference, valentine Nostalgia, Creative side Commercial , Haiku challenge , synthography sentiments, The Griot replies to Troubadour PrinceofFire , The Blade Is Always Held , Continue the story of Sapphire's Desire , memories of mirrors , The private eye, the woman, the secretary poetic trio , The settlement jiausiku , Dystopian Springtime, a prospective psychological pageants, sexy oc's to coolbean, reflections on nature, coloruing page for charity , ten word story ,superheroes or villains synth, six word horror story , Contest 5 (and) 7 is 1 (and) 2 is 3 , Honest Artist Challenge q&a , self survey q&a , goggled woodpecker, da fragments banner, apricot earth, woman in a fruit dress+happy summer , the last reincarnations, Mushroom perspective, Horror AI, Mister Mxyzptlk's Mysterious Mix Up , soon for the savory pie- jiausiku, The Intragalactic Violence Deaccretion Zone jiausiku shadoworlds, The Wall of Phoenix Ters+ Phoenix Crying , Witches Bath, The coin of keekuk johnson, The last golden, a family on the sea, womens history month 2024 , Human Spice Potion tutorial , The spirit coop , introduction to the sermon on the hand and the cordatitudes , Le Gateau Marche Avec Musique Et Entremets explained , OshunBala or Why the bees sing like Muxinho , out and about cemetery , alien ancestors, The Vape Of Love , Tutorials, Maythe4th , Mona Catburger Dogfries , Book review: gardins of edin from rosey lee , a gift earned inktober 2024 , a witness in a coven of killers , Charity Coloring Book, Nursery Rhyme 01 , the last coven, scary set 2, movie posters , why did the dragon bite me, The SKull to the Schoolgirl , Wee Sonnets Sonnet , invinclble fight girl , Nursery rhyme collaboration 2 , The last day , Candace the great~ as told by edubrer rabbit ,The Journey To The South fragment , November 2024 Work List , Hark the poet angels sing , The Charm from Gersemi , Storyboardfilms or animatics list, and video show room , multiimage comics [teleman, octowolf, anayena] , great monastic snowfight, hakim's plea, hakim's annulary protection , holiday card 2024 ai ,The Great Original Character Snowfight, The Vial of Woe's stillness , Trilog Nativity , Snowapelt! instructions , Which Sun is Fun , ? THE BLACK TABLE Black party of governance called on again, salvador bahia festival dates 2024, shirley chisholm biopic, ruffin and black cop relatives, movies that move we 2024 begins, viola plummer, Jeffrey wright nod, mlk jr said 02012024, Black reparations discussion on Black history month, black details in the populace, continental black american unity, The truth of voting, black cuteness, proof the war on crime was never honest, babel usa, elvert barnes, matawana first black female owned in brooklyn and settlements, kiratheartist coloring pages, Children of the Quicksands from Efua Traore , dorie ann ladner old, dorie ann ladner new, national black writers conference , marcia williams , soulsonsix roundtable shared , dsnp of project liberty , faith ringgold rest in peace , shirley chisholm in movies that move we, morgan price the gymnast, palmetto christmas miltonjdavis, tananarive due wins la times book award, national black cheerleading championship , gdbee kickstarter , black statian awards list, artistic lifestyle cliche, sylvia moy , prince mural, Sonequa Martin Green inverview, jesse washington, guava financing, schomburg comic book fesitval- iyanu , gabby douglass returns, HBCU's getting part of what is due , history specificity, author survey, kerner commission, amsterdam news advertising, shakar eye of the midnight god, the first female black superhero in usa comics , black women photographers, NGart7 prints , integration from the british colonial to 2024 , finding peace by shakira rivers, space funk, tropics africa Doers , angela bofil , skettel trailer, remembering bill cobbs, philly independent comics, Connecting Writers To Agents of Color from Regina Brooks of Serendipity Literary Agency, Ebony Lolita, when did i turn black, oppressed in cinema, in honour of kang, Clinical research in africa, Obama and Kamala and black elected folk n the usa with Chevdove, Halle Berry and the treacherous road of a black thespian , Stronghold interview , skin in film , confederate vampres and lost black causes , white saviours and where is the black saviour , kiratheartist i love my hair 2, love license by thelma iheanacho , black men side black female athletes , flickr side black women photographers gallery , the isolation of the black doser , The haitian constitution , entergalactic , eric adams , black caesars and faoxy cleopatras , second kiss by milton davis, parallel from movies that move we, HBCU academic presses , percy julian, who opposes a black party of governance in the black populace in the usa, schwart kinder garten , the hidden gem in MA 2019, Black elected officials need to replace hope with truth , honoring charlie christian, hbcu mfa thinktank , Kamala Harris 2024 election review , Black women comfortable while the usa burn art , Jonathan MAjors, Getting the black books , Jonathan Majors lives , Free Black Literature , Plant Dye from Amma King , Black erotica , Skettel , meet me next Christmas reviewed by movies that move we , 33 and single of nollywood , Triggerfish director and animation art labs for women, Vivica a Fox side the 6888 , ? 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    • January 3, 20242 yr
    • 1 comment
15. WHY DID I GET MARRIED reviewed by Movies That Move We + The New Color Purple
    

    WHY DID I GET MARRIED reviewed by Movies That Move We + The New Color Purple

    richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

    MY THOUGHTS 0:10 Jill scott's character in this film is well known, I have only seen two tyler perry films. One is with a black woman who is with a wife beater, and the other is with a black woman who is using a black man's marriage as a cover for her mistresshood to a white man . But it seems he likes to have an abused black woman by a black man. reminds me of "for colored girls" 3:30 I don't think Zenobia shared why the relationship between jill scott's character and said character's husband bother's her so much. It is clearly negative but she wanted to say more i think 4:15 Nike, you found the relationship with the michael j white character side wife funny? 10:00 Zenobia, I don't exist in the circles where tyler perry films ar ebeing talked about alot, thanks for mentioning. 12:05 why have the tyler perry films become more debated now in the espace circles, in either of your opinions? 13:11 why did you show his image, the character that jill scott's character romances with? is he a hero or something?:) 14:49 do both movies explain why the guy who married jill scott 's character marry her in the first place? I don't comprehend based on what you guys said, why he married her, did she have the body of tyra banks or sade or kerry washington when they married? 21:17 red tomato:) rotten tomato:) Nike your hilarious, Zenobia, was the second film spinned off unrealistic? 23:36 Is the formulaic way of Perry why his alex cross failed so much? 28:10 all artist display their rearing or the reaction to their rearing in their work. it is inevitable. 30:32 Tyler Perry like SPike LEe like Robert Townsend, like the Wayans, like others before , all comprehend the industry and all have influenced it, But each have their own perspective based on their tribe in the village so to speak. the problem isn't that the black experience in the usa is complex, all black people or white people know this. but the black experience in media rarely reflects how complex it is. So black people who don't share another's experience call their ersion a falsehood or leser view, when it is merely a view from a different part of the black community. 33:35 yes in europe theater was a place for only male thespians, in japanese kubuki as well, 35:57 tyler perry comprehended that many of the older black thespians have followings in the black community or the white community of a certain age and supporting them provides a certain audience, especially of financially affluent blacks 37:37 great job covering all three films. Enjoy the Winter season! THE NEW COLOR PURPLE Usually when people talk about films they go into a what do they think . I will ask more blunt questions. After viewing the trailer for the new color purple, and after seeing the review of why did i get married from movies that move we... 1) Discarding who produced the film, Would you finance the 2023 color purple film as it is? 2) Discarding who produced the film, would you finance why did I get married/why did i get married 2? Both of my answers to said questions is no. If I owned a studio and I had to give money to make the 2023 color purple or tyler perry's why did i get married produced, I would say no to both. Now comprehend, I gamble the 2023 color purple film will like its predecessor make a ton of money. The original color purple film had a budget of fifteen million and make ninety eight million so black film goers loved the film and I expect them to love the musical with its cast. As for Why did I get married, the first movie i did not find the budget but it made fifty five million. While why did i get married too had a budget of twenty million and made sixty million. Now knowing the financial history, I ask if you owned a movie studio and were needed for the films 1) Discarding the financial profitability of the color purple films plus assuming you knew the profitability, Would you finance the 2023 color purple film as it is? 2) Discarding the financial profitability of the why did i get marrieds plus assuming you knew the profitability, would you finance why did I get married/why did i get married 2? Both of my answers to said questions is no. If I owned a studio and even if I knew these movies will be financially profitable and was needed to get these movies made, I still will not produce them. why this line of thinking? In discussing the preacher's wife I realized something is lacking in discourse in the arts. The owner. Too often people talk about liking a film in the mindset of the customer controls. but the customer doesn't control. The owner controls. No film studio produces all sorts of films, stories. That isn't wrong, that merely shows acceptable bias based on ownership taste. So in the same context, I feel for now the question is not whether I like a film but whether I will put money to a film if I was needed for it to be made. Answering that question reveals the truth about the customer more than the customer question which is foolhardy cause customers have varying tastes and if enough customers like a movie/theater production/book or some art, it will be financially a success, regardless to those that don't like it. MY REASONS... in a nutshell My top five movies answer explains my reasoning well but I will be explicit. The color purple is not the kind of story I want to see based on the time period. The why did I get married's black marital situations I don't want to finance. TOP FIVE MOVIES I WILL PRODUCE https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10653-the-upside-from-movies-that-move-we/?do=findComment&comment=64110 some more film discussion https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/10681-the-preachers-wife-review-from-movies-that-move-we/

    • December 4, 20232 yr
16. Book of Clarence, reviewed by Movies That Move We
    

    Book of Clarence, reviewed by Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Black Literature

    • April 29, 20242 yr
17. WAVES review from Movies That Move We
    

    WAVES review from Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Black Literature

    MY COMMENT love the school house rock shirt:) what is that on zenobia's shirt? 13:51 your black mama mindset is too strong:) it is 2024:) yes, zenobia , smile:) .. as black individuals acquire fortunates or more financially opulent lifestyle, will the black parental mold, born from the quarters of the enslaved, become similar to the white parental mold born from the house of the enslavers? no soul food ending:) you two really liked this film? was this the best film you guys saw from the past ten reviews? the power of non advertising:) that is how gems get through cover image

    

    • April 23, 20242 yr
18. Shirley reviewed by Movies That Move We
    

    Shirley reviewed by Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

    QUESTIONS what chips or snacks were you eating? what is the most financially successful black female produced film in the usa? You guys made me wonder about black male movie reviewers opinion toward films produced or directed by black women . I wonder do black female produced/directed films get mostly positive reviews from black male film reviewers? To the needle moving, Biden could had chose stacey abrams who is more functional like shirley chisholm but chose kamala harris who is less industrious while also like obama or adam clayton powell jr is phenotypically not the image of "pure blackness" like chisholms' color suggest. Was this film like the aretha franklin supported biopic, in that it didn't get steamy or telenovela-ish? Are you calling on a PBS vietnam war level documentary for shirley chisholm? i think that would be very revealing.

    • April 16, 20242 yr
19. Movies That Move We: Rustin 2024, American Fiction 2023, The Color Purple 2023
    

    Movies That Move We: Rustin 2024, American Fiction 2023, The Color Purple 2023

    richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

    Rustin 2024 American Fiction 2023 The Color Purple 2023

    • March 6, 20242 yr
    • 14 replies
20. POSSE review from Movies That Move We
    

    POSSE review from Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Black Literature

    MY THOUGHTS 1:37 why did Zenobia hate it! I want to know the why. Did Zenobia like "the harder they fall" or "concrete cowboy" ? Does Zenobia like any cowboy films in general. 4:01 yes, the cowboys were originally the person near the cow who guides them. 5:06 hmm good point, a less talked about part of black history in the usa, that black people don't tend to talk about alot. I wonder why do you think? 6:15 no, he got in a fight with the whites at the town and was to be executed/imprisoned or he can conscript. He conscripted but tried to leave three times ,, attacked a superior officer and that brought him to cuba in the military. He was a lieutenant. 9:31 I love how you did the voice Nike of the short guy. 9:57 Bless you Nike, futuristic cowboy:) who would Zenobia like to see as the director? the same director? 10:53 this movie plays into the western myth style. ahhh Zenobia hasn't even seen it. 11:48 she wants Posse with an all female cast. Zenobia:) this is meant to be a western myth film. 12:39 Gang of roses is the film with lil kim 13:01 the movie is direct. In defense, Peebles has been in war for a long time. That is the truth. Soldiers don't come back from war, or are on the run, reminiscing , singing songs. yes, Nike. And he always told them to follow him if they want but no questions. He really is a pure man in black. 15:40 education is power is the message and your right Nike, the movie is stating its purpose 16:15 you did see a native american woman hanged. 18:10 Zenobia is funny, she said wakanda , kkk 18:50 I think they were performed well cause they are frustrated, but it is backlogged. It is a tentative. It is a frustrated scene. They love each other, but this is a love that had a beautiful beginning and has been delayed and waylayed for years. 21:22 Zenobia , your review isn't bad. it is honest, but it is about aesthetic. Peebles wanted the man in black to be truly that. Films tend to present the man in black historically as very talkative, very expressive. CLint eastwood in unforgiven is very quiet. eastwood is married to a native american woman and it seems loveless, he leaves her on the land and that is that. 21:46 good point to harlem nights. Posse was a collage film. yes, big daddy kane was a great father time. and like harlem nights they can't come back. 25:34 yeah, classic. for the black dos western genre, you will find it is preceded by Buck and the preacher and then follwoed by harder they fall IN AMENDMENT In John Wick 4 , Keanu Reeves went against an earlier script and cut out all the talking for John Wick's character, same as Jesse Lee in Posse. As a writer who believes in non verbal communication as well as an attentive challenge. I write characters that don't always fit the audiences expectation in how they speak or act non verbally. So Zenobia's point is a good thing to comprehend in the commercial desire of a film or story. As a reviewer said to a stageplay of mine. IF you go against the commonly accepted cues the audience wants, it will hinder/harm/have some negative aspect to the liking of your work. I think she was right and Zenobia proves it. IN AMENDMENT PART 2 a film outlaw posse has been made, i don't think it is a sequel to posse

    • March 25, 20242 yr
21. The Secret Life of Bees 2008 reviewed by Movies That Move We
    

    The Secret Life of Bees 2008 reviewed by Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Black Literature

    based on the book by Sue Monk Kidd an alternative review from aalbc https://aalbc.com/reviews/film-reviews.php?id=1739

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22. The Upside from Movies That Move We
    

    The Upside from Movies That Move We

    richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

    MORE MOVIES THAT MOVE WE ON AALBC https://aalbc.com/tc/search/?&q="movies that move we"&type=core_statuses_status&quick=1&search_and_or=or&sortby=relevancy

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23. Movies that move we 2024 begins
    

    Movies that move we 2024 begins

    richardmurray posted a topic in Culture, Race & Economy

    sort of shy , but the nicest guy, no complaining:) 3:04 i love it, we as black people do this for christmas:) 4:14 yes Zenobia, no blackity black, if she doesn't know, educate Nike 5:34 I missed the black santa media issue 10:49 good thoughts on the 2023 color purple 12:!2 for years:) poor danny glover:) 15:46 ghost town movie theater:) good fun, good fun:) 17:15 they can use a black classic films station,Buck and the preacher, paris blues , the longships some gems for me 19:10 regina jackson is her name 21:41 I saw that show advertised 24:00 great point, make family trees for now:) you call him skip gates too, yes i saw the levar burton , kunta got white in him yall, black DOSers, people like lupita nyonga can go far, not just school, in many black homes black adults preached lincoln love to black children

    • January 23, 20242 yr
24. The Hidden Gem in the film MA 2019
    

    The Hidden Gem in the film MA 2019

    richardmurray posted a topic in Black Literature

    I admit, I am not a fan of slasher films; their stories extremely rarely , I will not say never, hold up for me; and their stories are not meant to. The goal of a slasher film is to get the audience to jump scare as much as possible, and that is fine. Ma from 2019 is a slasher film. It is meant to get you to jump scare. But the best part of the movie is the tiniest bit, and I have thought about it coinciding with my thoughts on fantasy films en large and how they rarely involve the historic usa. The best comparison to visualize my point is taking the flashback scenes in MA 2019 and the character of Rose Rita, played by vanessa anne williams, in A House With a Clock in its walls 2018. In the original book, Rose Rita is white and to be blunt, a tomboy of the purest type, think red haired peppermint patty with sneakers and no sandals. In the film Rose Rita is a colored child of the 1950s USA, one of few non white children, no not the only one, and dresses in the most cutest pink outfits of all the girls in the school. What is my point? I am a fan of the book or the film House with a clock in its walls. But the film has a fantasy 1950s usa. In Ma 2019, the flashbacks of the title character are honest. She is the only black child in the school in the 1960s, and she is having a lonely miserable time. Which is historically accurate. Many people of all phenotypes love to parade the moment the black kids went into the all white schools but few admit that this was a horror for most of the kids. I recall one of them, who is on the schoolboard in new orleans, she voted against integrated schools as an adult, and she is in photo being one of the kids used to force integration in the schools of the same area in the past. So, I like how MA 2019 through the flashbacks shows three layers of negative mental energy. The first layer is historical, pure truth, integration don't work on the ground. It works in laws and works in historical revisions but in historical honesty it is usually a nightmare for the minority individuals involved in it. Now the flashbacks do good to add two more layers. The second is mandatory for the slasher. Ma when a child is the shortest female, the roundest female, the female with the thickest glasses. So, she the only black student in the school and she has all the aspects of the mythological wall flower girl. The third layer completes the psychosis, the lead jock boy in the school has noticed her quiet noticing of him and sets her up for a humiliation, yes Carrie. In Ma's case he invites her to a few hangouts, she even says she goes to parties a lot which shows she is very proud. And after some comfortability invites her to meet him in a closet. A white girl in the school gives her advice on giving blowjobs and Young MA enters the dark closet. She performs fellatio to the boy in the closet she think the head jock, saying some mentally disturbing things like will you talk to me after this, and after she is finished, she exist sthe closet and the jock boy has all the students of the school present to humiliate young MA, asking the boy she didn't know, who is the white male nerd character, how was it? and the nerd boy says, it was great. and young Ma runs off and her mental state is now complete from the films telling. Though I say they missed a trick not showing her come home and be asked by her parents , how was school and telling her to toughen up for this great opportunity, which to me makes the mental breakdown complete, but to each writer their own. In house with a clock on its walls 2018 you wouldn't realize 1950s usa the way it was. In MA 2019 you realize 1960s usa. And I love that, I am tired of producers or writers themselves demanding stories that fit the way they want the populace in the usa to work, instead of how it is, and it was never and is not united. I know the flashback is seven minutes maximum but that is the best part of the movie for me. Why? It takes an honest USA scenario, the most common scenario in the usa historically with integration. That of the black alone amongst many whites , totally isolated, totally frustrated, and trying to find something positive. It adds the common slasher film device of male or female child outcast through her physicality, and the moment of great humiliation which is the cause of all the slashing of course. It doesn't deny the drama while it is true to the history + reality of modern usa. The usa isn't the government or populace under a government people want it to be, the usa is the government or populace under a government that it is. And that should be embraced. Yes in the film, times have changed, group up Ma deals with a set of kids who are in a far more integrated school and who don't seem to have any inclinations for such humiliations. But, the damage is true and can not be fled from, has to be lived through. As for the slashing well, I argue, the scenes of group up Ma enslaving her daughter to a life, the same way ma was enslaved, or the eroticisms of Ma to the jock boy when a man or his son are themselves stunning alongside the slasher violence. But the slashing is nothing beyond what hasn't been shown overall in the slasher film library. But the origin, yes the flashbacks, that is great cinema. I share this video cause it only displays the flashback, what say you? One last thing, like Ready Player One, while young Ma, played by Kyanna Simone Simpson is the shortest or roundest, with thickest glasses in the school, she is still very pretty. Hollywood doesn't still know how to get a female thespian who has a physicality that will make her chosen last usually. To be blunt, yung MA looks like a black daphne from scooby doo which, if you see how many women or girls dress as daphne today well... not exaclty, the most undesired physique. 0:07 your head back to the rock piles tonight 0:09 from when we come 0:11 history a few beers whatever yeah see 0:17 all night 0:21 we'll be fine 0:29 [Applause] 0:30 [Music] 0:45 sorry drinking without help or didn't 0:49 show without oh yeah are you sitting 0:58 down weren't you up dance with every I 1:01 guess I was thinking of you 1:03 uh you're not got a lot of parties oh no 1:09 oh no it's no it's it's fine there's a 1:12 first time for everything 1:13 absolutely I like you're here thanks I 1:21 like yours 1:24 [Music] 1:46 it's your first time isn't it 1:49 do you know you're doing ya gonna get on 1:54 your knees put it in your mouth 2:00 move your head backwards forwards 2:05 believe me and we'll take them hot 2:10 thanks Mercedes 2:15 [Music] 2:22 [Music] 2:33 hello let's I good yeah 3:03 then are you gonna talk to me tomorrow 3:06 let's get out of here 3:17 [Music] 3:21 pin surprise 3:28 Oh God that took forever so how was she 3:32 was she good 3:33 [Music] A review of the entire film from Movies That Move We- Video and Transcript below TRanscript 0:00 hey hey nicole hey nick hey 0:06 all right you ready to get into it 0:11 i guess i am okay 0:16 all right well you know how we begin we always start with 0:22 our answers [Music] so we begin with 0:28 urban entertainment entertainment rocking the hat 0:34 and urban entertainment is an international djing company as well as urban 0:40 wear company so we got that going on so if you are a dj and you want booking 0:46 engagements and things like that take care of you if you need apparel we're working on our own lines so look 0:53 for more when it comes to irving because of that and i am the co-owner of it 0:59 so yup who knew so many hats 1:05 and then we have share dazzle salon 1:10 and they i give you know kiki johnson credit for my 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cosmetics all all these people 2:24 can be found on your social media platforms near you if you're interested in any of them please reach out to me 2:30 and i'll get you their contact information but definitely look for them on facebook instagram and on the world 2:36 wide web the internet all right the interwebs 2:41 all right and what what you snacking on over there nicole 2:46 well you know what i am a pumpkin spice girl i know you're like wow that's interesting you know 2:52 considering that you know like where does that come from you're already doing it you don't do it 2:58 in season you know yes i only do it in season 3:03 but again i am back to the pumpkin spice scones 3:08 that you can only find at fresh market 4.99 and when i tell you 3:13 they are delectable and delicious not delicious or delicious 3:20 you have to get them they are great and for those of us that may not be into 3:26 pumpkin spice i don't know who you are or why you you need to convert they do have cranberry nikkei i'm not 3:33 messing with you um they do have cranberry as well as blueberries so cranberry is kind of you know moving 3:39 into the whole you know thanksgiving you know christmas season type of thing blueberry you know 3:46 of course is evergreen so definitely check them out also i do have some tea recommendations 3:52 now some of you all may not live near a harris teeter or the way we do here in the south if you really love something 3:58 you put a s on the end of it targets walmarts 4:04 that means you love it i mean if you don't put an extra s on the end it's just whatever 4:09 right harris teeter or like i like to say has teeters 4:14 has cinnamon spice and then we'll move around my camera yeah cinnamon spice tea 4:21 i'm a too bad person because i'm greedy that i like myself be strong but 4:26 i add once again pumpkin spice 4:31 silk almond creamer so we have a few sponsors tonight we have 4:37 no fresh market please don't get mad at me about shot no harris teeter but they had some tea i like and i may feature 4:43 one teas um that's only so with you all silk almond creamer can be can be sold anywhere and you know 4:50 cinnamon sticks we all know come from the international market because you buy it at a regular version i'm so sorry you 4:55 know you've done yourself a disservice yeah so go to the international market to get that and that's what i'm sipping 5:01 on so what do you have for a snack because you can't talk about movies you can't watch a movie or netflix and chill 5:07 without appropriate snackage so what type of snackage do you have going on over there today so nikkei can't eat 5:15 popcorn because you know i gotta be different i gotta be different you know the kernels get stuck all in my and it's 5:22 painful and i'm bougie anyway so 5:28 y'all i have my pop corners and i don't like the only other extra 5:34 flavor i like besides sea salt is the caramel cover 5:40 once you get into barbecue and that fake um butter not the butter what's the 5:47 other one anyway all the other flavors i just i can't i can't oh you mean the um 5:52 the white cheddar white cheddar isn't good on everything it's not it's not good on every 5:58 no no it's not good at all well i guess both of us are bougie you have those 6:04 i guess both of us are [ __ ] because who eats scones to watch a movie 6:09 you know you know you have to drink my tea with my pinky up is gonna give me an extra bouncer 6:16 listen the other day i went out not ordered oolong tea and that the guy seemed really impressed by it he was 6:22 like i was like would you stop looking at me and bring it 6:27 what's the problem here doesn't everyone order that no 6:33 i don't know what's wrong with the rest of them but they should i don't either we need to bring them up to our standard 6:39 i know i know and maybe it's because i said it right too i don't know but anyway 6:45 today we are talking about 6:52 ma 2019 6:59 leading actress octavia spencer 7:05 and this is a big deal this is a big deal it's a very big deal 7:11 you have um a black leading lady in a horror film 7:18 yes yes yes and she she did the thing she did the 7:24 thing what were your thoughts on this one 7:30 you know it takes a special kind of 7:35 person to go from the help to this 7:42 if you really want to prove that you are a true actress you have to transform yourself 7:48 into something that's unrecognizable now when you look at her physically you know she's lost some weight for you 7:55 know since she did the help and that type of stuff hairstyle change you know wardrobe changing all the stuff that movies do 8:02 but it's that persona that comes out that makes you different the way 8:07 your you know your glare is and your tone and you know the inflection in your voice and your mannerisms 8:15 she did it and i was trying to think of the last time 8:20 that i can remember because i didn't do my research you know i'm here to let you all know that i'm the fluff person on 8:26 the show nick they can't die and do the research so 8:31 i'm like oh my the little sister just shows up and just i'm just like [Laughter] 8:41 so if you watch enough of these you're like well you know what and we really want some deep insight it's don mckay 8:47 and we just want i'm stealing some goofy and i'm out the box like what was that 8:54 nicole is there for that but i was trying to remember and and you probably did your research better than i 8:59 did because y'all know i didn't i didn't do a whole lot of deep diving on this one i did watch it three times 9:06 but dive up because my first of all the fact you watch it three times my head is off 9:12 to you because you know that means i have to leave my house three times because what i'm not going to do 9:17 is watch it in my home and that's for us to have a discussion about that 9:23 on our you know on our media platform that we have you know where we kind of get you know 9:28 this wasn't but 9:35 it wasn't it wasn't well it doesn't give you the phones like it doesn't give you creeps that someone's going to come in your house 9:41 and stab you in your sleep but it really it really makes you think 9:46 about how relationships with people and 9:51 you know and how folks if they if they are psychotic once they 9:58 once they realize they want you dead they just want you dead it's just that's it by my point blank and i don't 10:06 know what is worse to be hunted like that or just be shot randomly because you think 10:12 like that some thought went in to what she did but getting back to the research 10:18 i think the last time uh not the not indeed the last time but 10:24 this kind of took me back to beloved but love it was like that for me you know when it came to how oprah was 10:32 totally different and below if if anybody's seen beloved nothing oprah has ever done did she ever 10:38 look like her even when she did sofia in the color purple so 10:44 even you know and how that even if that movie evolved how just dark and sinister it was you're just like wow when is that 10:51 going to let up that's what i'm looking for when is the sinister part it's like can we get some rainbows some pixie 10:57 blasts it i'm glad you mentioned beloved because 11:03 we got to add that one to our list too because every time i see oprah in something 11:10 i'm like you can act oh my gosh she can act even though i've seen her act before 11:16 i'm still like she can act every year because she because you're she she's 11:22 like a triple threat you know when it comes to what it is that she does and 11:28 that it's the sinister part for me when it came to mom it was like what did you think about it 11:35 um again seeing her come off of roles where she was either the maid or she was doing 11:41 something where she's being sassy or funny or whatever this was a shift 11:48 and it's like you said it's not just that she was 11:54 just being creepy is that she was being calm creepy 12:03 it was that oh hey you want to come to my house and then all of a sudden there was a 12:09 temper and it was like i'm ramping up oh let me pull it back 12:14 i'ma deal with you differently and it was like oh snap 12:21 and there was her just to give you the setting the 12:26 i know the movie was filmed in mississippi and i forget the town that 12:32 it was in i don't think this setting was actually in mississippi 12:37 i forget that the the community that it was in i think they it made this more west 12:43 coast yeah my memory serves right i think this was like nevada or something like that 12:51 where it was supposed to take place but anyway the the town wasn't 12:56 a character as much as [Music] 13:02 the community if that makes sense it was supposed to be a small quaint um not so diverse community 13:10 yeah any town usa you know kind of what kind of what they portray and i hate to not make the 13:16 comparison i'm going to how did it portray um the movies um on 13:23 hallmark to be that you know it's it's it's it's not the script you 13:29 know you know you know it's not like when you look at a skyline oh that's chicago oh right or you know you look at 13:35 the golden gate bridge and say oh that's california it's one of those things where this could happen in any small 13:40 town in any state you know and like i said the main feature is it 13:46 was not a diverse community literally it was octavius spencer and the black 13:53 kid were really the only and 13:59 another black person they were the only black people there 14:04 okay when i say not diverse i mean not diverse okay to set this up right for you 14:13 and so um that that kind of works this way into 14:18 the story even though it's not the major part of the story but 14:23 it gives you the picture of part of the reason why in her youth 14:29 she was the outcast yeah okay um 14:35 and they do little flashbacks between her teen years and then into her adult years 14:42 and they give you the sense that you know times have changed and people are more accepting in 14:48 this you know fast forward 2019 present day 14:54 world but you know but you don't forget right because trauma 15:00 ptsd and ill treatment and and how that that that pressure 15:07 cooker of all that going on right but you know you can't you know you you really you really can't 15:14 mess with certain people because you don't know how it's going to manifest and 15:19 i think that's what you know if i could just fast forward to say to take away from this is is that be 15:26 careful how you treat you be very careful okay you know you think that you treat people 15:32 any kind of way say whatever you want to say do whatever you want to do and then you don't realize 15:37 that karma can be visited upon you in a variety of ways right and it could even 15:44 be visited upon you by the same people that you just you just don't know right you think a person is weak and 15:51 then you then you mess around and find out that they're crazy 15:57 and you know crazy out trumps well what psych is going on yes psychotic out 16:04 trumps whatever level of mean girl you ever thought you had because this person 16:09 is going to kill you bottom line and your whole family and not think about the consequences and 16:15 they're willing to die on that hill so i want to be taken out by the police i want to slip my own rest i want to go to 16:21 jail and sit there for 25 to life i'm going to you know ride the lightning that's what they call the electric chair 16:28 i want to take that needle because at the end of the day i got out of it what i want to get out of it which was 16:34 getting you back and and and can we can we just mention that she worked for 16:41 a vet so she had access to a whole lot of stuff 16:47 and wasn't afraid to use it 16:52 would you know that's interesting so can we say that she treat these people 16:58 like animals ultimately yes 17:10 so and here here's the thing what i notice is in most of the movie rating places 17:17 the movie got low ratings and i think the reason why i got low ratings it was like 5 out of 10 17:23 stars in some places it was two stars and honestly 17:29 it's not a bad movie but it's not a horror movie 17:34 you know like we're talking about it on the psychological and it's more of a psychological thriller 17:41 yeah and i think one of the things that happens is as soon as you put 17:48 a black actor in a prominent role all of a sudden the industry doesn't know what to do 17:54 with the movie because they're more worried about okay is a mainstream audience gonna show up 18:00 to see this because are they gonna go are they gonna go see a black actor this is not typically how we would cast this 18:08 and i think that's that that might be some of what happened with this movie 18:15 i think they they took the risk and labeled it as a horror where it would have been just fine if they simply 18:22 simply labeled it as a psychological ecological builder 18:27 but you know what i i think that when you look at the genre as a whole 18:35 whether it was a black actress or not and i do agree with you what you're saying when it comes specifically to mom 18:41 have you ever noticed that they really do have a difficult time labeling things 18:47 like that you know other movies as well you know they'll call it a horror film but really 18:52 it leans more on the psychological part because i think that people are more comfortable 18:57 with being afraid in the general sense of like i said 19:03 someone coming to coming to my house and killing me in my sleep 19:08 we're trying to you know run me down in the woods and i fall you know 19:15 i put that in hollywood are you watching so um 19:23 i think that they're more comfort people on the surface are more comfortable with that than 19:29 than really getting in the head of somebody that's a lunatic i think that when i think that when you 19:35 look at some of these movies they throw them in the horror genre because they're like you know what you'll sell the tickets people will be 19:41 more comfortable with it because a lot of people don't look at the you know all the information when they see a movie they look at the trailers it 19:48 is the commercials they see on television they look at those little snippets and they run based off that and what they put on television 19:55 is the highlights and that may be the those pieces may be the scariest parts of the movie like the shopkins 20:03 but really the movie is a little bit on a slow uptick because it's building on 20:08 the suspense right right so i think you're right 20:13 that they didn't know how to label it but i also think that for marketing purposes they mislabel a lot of stuff 20:20 period a lot of stuff to me that's kind that's come out within the last five years have 20:26 has leaned more on the psychological thriller end than horror to me like pure 20:31 porn so yeah because i was really frustrated when the way they labeled um 20:39 oh what was it the way they labeled us yeah no not us um 20:47 get out because they labeled that 20:53 i think horror and comedy and i was like why would you label it 20:58 horror and comedy and once they did it i figured out why 21:06 it's kind of the same reason um the way peop independent authors used 21:11 to um categorize their books on am*zon and so 21:16 am*zon tightened up their their stuff yeah yeah you you would find remember obscore 21:23 obscure categories you could put it in to make sure you got something got one 21:28 yeah really the best seller list you know so i was just like uh 21:34 i was like but that's not comedy that this ain't funny the black folks this is 21:39 what scares black folk i'm like i don't know who's laughing it's not black people i mean there's 21:46 been funny parts but no and that's what it was it was the funny the funny parts were with the best 21:52 friend period everything else was creepy scary 21:58 i still can't get out my hand we want to get back to this movie when dude ran up on him at night that 22:04 right there took me clean out the fact i'm still sitting before you is a miracle because i tell you 22:13 it's something about being impatient and if you've ever visited the country or grew up in the country 22:20 to be in an area that's pitch black dark and has something just emerged from the darkness coming dead at you 22:27 and then deviate real quick and yo that right there i'm like okay i'm done you're swinging before it gets to you 22:34 you okay i wasn't ready i'm just telling you i 22:41 wasn't ready so yeah they they did it because they were trying to get us out thinking 22:47 black people not gonna come and see a hurricane even if there's black people in it and if they believe it's gonna be a kiki 22:54 haha and you know and the peels are known for comedy they roll into this stuff 22:59 right you know after the fact so i think they try to like you know like um hits the wagon onto them for that 23:07 but we were writing and we supported and we came out and we watched it so you're right um so when you when you look at 23:14 this when you look at this film you know what are some major 23:20 just takeaways or points that you got out of it outside what you just what you 23:25 just you know recently mentioned you know one of the things that i notice 23:31 is daryl the only other black well the one of 23:38 three black characters in in the movie he was the only one that was like yo 23:45 some don't feel right i don't think we should do this 23:51 and when they got in the house he was like yo ma what's your name 23:57 he was like yo i need some names i need ids let me 24:02 put this address in my gps because if i die if if i get unalived 24:11 i want my mommy and daddy to know where i'm at give me a proper burial because because 24:18 at the end of the day that that i think that's the thing that freaks us out more than anything 24:23 because you know as a brown people in general brown and yellow people we are really 24:29 funny intact we're really funny about that well who's got the body well you know you know they 24:36 are they looking good they look like themselves we were really that's a major pain all of the organs there 24:44 that's a major make sure that they didn't stuff the body with cotton or newspaper or 24:50 anything like that make sure the organs weren't harvested 24:56 we checked for everything because when i look at when i look at big mama guess what i better see her in that box i 25:03 promise you oh i'm flip i'm flipping over everything so that's how we are we need to know but 25:09 then again we also raised and asked questions like that we just don't be going with anybody you know because we 25:16 want to be able to be held accountable or where were you well who are you with how long were you there what did y'all do who else was there let me call her 25:22 mama let me call her daddy what her grandma say why would because you know you're going to get that when what they look like what were 25:29 they wearing okay the whole night are you not paying attention the whole 25:34 night i really knew better than that you can't hang out with me 25:40 are you focusing are these your real friends i ain't never met them who you know who's that you know so yeah yeah 25:47 yeah so he asked all the right questions while everybody else in the group was like 25:52 oh my god it's okay let's just go along with this she's cool you know and he was like 25:58 all right i'm hanging out with y'all because you might ride but i don't feel right about this 26:04 you know so there are little details and i don't know if he like 26:09 improv that i'm guessing he might have but it's like that detail 26:16 all right he's like he's right but it's like 26:22 you know along the lines of of of what you were saying it's like there are levels to this thing and 26:31 you know you can push a person but so far so far you know and and you 26:39 don't know what things a person will hold on to this was 25 26:46 30 years later this woman stayed in that community 26:52 she stayed in that community and still 26:58 was unseen she still was 27:03 under the people knew she was there on the radar but you you think about when she had went 27:10 out for drinks the way she was treated when the guy said hey 27:17 why don't we go out for drinks and then how she was handled 27:23 when she sat down to have drinks with him just how insincere he was in that moment 27:31 it brought everything back for her because it was like you asked me out for drinks 27:39 and then you pull the rug from me again it was high school all over for her 27:45 again and even though she didn't show it in the moment when he 27:51 walked away it was like at that moment she was like all right 27:57 i got one for your ass back to what you said it's like 28:04 you cannot mess with people and always think that 28:09 you got the upper hand on them 28:14 because people will start showing you their true colors and you may not like 28:21 it some people are good for a conversation some people will say all right you got me on that one 28:28 you don't ever have to worry about me again and 28:33 some people will hook you up to an iv that you may not want to be hooked up to 28:44 so yeah you you you got to be very careful it pays to be kind 28:50 is is the ultimate lesson it does and please leave it alone it 28:55 pays to leave people on if if you're not going to be sincere about your deals with them right 29:02 that that's what pays to you know because because you know for you to go through the trouble of mistreating 29:08 someone that's that that's the active role you're taking versus just letting them be 29:13 right it's better to ignore their existence than to attending them in such a way 29:19 and not know how those repercussions gonna fall because at the end of the day she brought the burden on there on the 29:26 seed of these people they're kids you know she ain't come directly for them she 29:33 she she didn't go she she she moved from the bottom to the top you know she was like oh you're gonna hurt your weight i'm 29:38 gonna get you where it hurts and let's real quick talk about even 29:44 generationally what she she did she was like i don't want my daughter 29:50 exposed to it and the levels the extreme that she 29:56 went to to keep her daughter away from it 30:03 you know almost killed her daughter so it's like 30:11 yeah yeah so yeah go ahead 30:18 it and her daughter saw through it but felt powerless to do anything and it 30:23 kind of makes you think all right is her daughter gonna be a repeat 30:31 of her mom girl apple tree let me tell you something still water's running deep and all it is 30:39 and the thing about psychosis is that all it really takes if you are 30:45 genetically predisposed all these all it takes is a series of 30:50 circumstances or one major event to flip that switch yeah 30:56 you know and and that's it people people are gone i i've known a situation 31:03 that that's happened to people in my life not my family but just in a community and you always hear about one 31:09 person that was normal until yep that's always a story they seemed so 31:14 nice this would never this never happened in our neighborhood we didn't normal 31:20 normal until they had that that one pivotal experience 31:25 that took them down a dark path and they never resurfaced in this way again positively 31:32 yeah yeah so on a scale of one to five 31:40 what do you think i'll give it a four i give it a four um 31:46 it wasn't perfect i i did like i did like the way it 31:53 developed and that it didn't make her just some type of barbarian you know because 31:59 sometimes you know when you have killers i i think what makes us connect with them better is when you really believe 32:07 that there's a thought process no matter how crazy it is behind why they do what they do 32:13 right you know so i i like the fact that there was some type of connection as to why she 32:20 sought these people out versus she just woke up one day and said yeah i just want to kill a whole bunch of kids 32:25 you know what i'm saying what was her why the y was really clear and 32:31 i liked the way they connected the y to the now because sometimes movies kind of leave you flat with that you like you 32:37 know you're struggling trying to pull piece of things together you know but this one didn't do that so 32:43 i would give it a four what would you think i think the same um 32:49 and for the same reasons you you know you found a reason to to sympathize 32:56 with with the main character she wasn't she wasn't being random 33:01 um you understood she was actually sick not just violent for no reason 33:09 even though um ma'am they have this thing called therapy go get you some 33:17 but again what once you look at the whole picture 33:22 the environment the setup and just the constant ding ding ding it was 33:30 toxic it was toxic for her it was undercover toxic for her yeah 33:36 like the water droplet on the forehead just non-stop so 33:42 yeah i would give it a four for the same reason it's not a perfect story but it's it's a good story 33:49 i think um in other arenas it was probably unfit unfairly rated and and 33:55 because it was mislabeled as a horror when it's really a thriller 34:01 yeah and i'm gonna be honest with you i think that the fact that she targeted teenagers and a certain kind of teenager 34:09 people never say it but i think that's why i felt flat too if you were to swap it out and the kind of teenager she was 34:16 targeting and if there wasn't some type of racial under and overtones about what was going 34:23 on i think if all parties were this yeah if all parties were the same would have been 34:29 it's it's it's a it's so right it's a racial because because when you think about it 34:35 it makes people feel uncomfortable that their treatment of another race or another gender or 34:42 another group of people can lead itself to those people attacking their children 34:47 that's something that people don't want to they don't they don't want to fathom so 34:54 you know and then and then it kind of points a mirror in their face like okay 34:59 well who in high school yeah or am i growing up or and in my 35:05 community did i treat poorly because they were poor 35:10 or they weren't the same color or they weren't the same um 35:16 you know that has seen sexual preferences you know whatever it was that made me unkind to them 35:24 could something like this be visited upon me because i was ignorant enough to think that i 35:30 could treat someone like that and us moving on and growing up and going our separate ways 35:36 they grew out of it or grew past it right no that's not who i am 35:43 anymore and people think that that somehow that dissolves them no it doesn't you still did what you said 35:52 exactly correct and apologize exactly but people don't do that they're 35:58 feeling like oh you should have gotten over it by now we were just kids it happened so long ago i really didn't mean i didn't know what i was doing 36:04 they're very flipped with it but then they're surprised when people are not as 36:09 flip or cavalier about the fact that's how they were treated so i think that 36:15 that it kind of fell flat because people weren't really willing to acknowledge the fact that they were probably just 36:21 like those people but for different reasons yeah yeah 36:26 yeah so so that is what we have for tonight 36:32 folks we have one movie left in our horror series i don't know where nicole is 36:39 going to go to watch it because she refuses to watch it at her house 36:45 with you i just watched it four times and i'm gonna watch it the fifth time 36:52 i might even watch it six times because i'm taking notes on it i'm taking notes 37:01 i watched the old [ __ ] did i tell you that you did and let me tell you something 37:07 the old one i was a teenager when owen came out 37:14 man and we grew up in the inner city you 37:19 know so my thing is is that that's a special kind of scary for us because because i think that 37:26 if you grew up in a country i don't know if you view came in the same way as anybody grew up 37:33 or or had relatives that lived in the inner city you're just like yeah you know 37:39 is there anybody scarier than the drug dealer is there anybody scarier 37:46 than the gang members it is i have to go find that short story that 37:53 it's based on because look dude spun a serious tale 38:03 he he he told a serious story that he got people so shook and the 38:09 thing is it's loosely based on a real story 38:16 it's inspired by a real story so now i need to see this thing in 38:21 writing so i can put the whole thing together once you get my cogs turning i can't slow down 38:31 so yeah i'm all in well i thank candyman and we'll talk 38:36 about further i think candyman is 38:41 it it kind of reminds me of grimm's fairy tales and the respect that every culture 38:48 has a boogeyman every culture you cannot name a culture that doesn't have 38:53 that one person that whose name we dare not speak 38:58 that one person that every child was taught about to teach them not to lie 39:04 not to steal not to be mean to honor your parents to honor a god or a greater being 39:10 right because this is what happens when you don't um to come in at night to to 39:16 have certain superstitious ways about you every culture has one but what makes 39:21 this extremely worse for those of us that grew up in a city is like as if we need 39:29 one more thing to be afraid of do we need one more thing 39:34 well but the thing about candyman is because of and you see this 39:42 in the first movie because of the way the apartments were built and that's the thing about horror movies in general 39:51 is that there's usually just all you need is a sliver of reality 39:58 exactly and that was enough reality i told you 40:03 about the the story that happened um i think it was in march of this year 40:09 march 2021 about the woman who in new york who felt a draft in her bathroom 40:16 okay wait let's save it for candy man let's save it 40:22 let's save it all right because at the end of the day it's going to connect with that 40:28 and you know and i i want us to kind of bring it all together so 40:33 all right so y'all can look that up on your own because i gave you the date and i gave 40:39 it just a little bit so you all go look that up on your own so you prepped when we come back 40:44 we we can talk about that but yeah we're doing candyman next 40:50 we'll talk about that then all right so we we're gonna wrap up you ready 40:55 we're gonna wrap up and let these people know where they can find us and find more 41:02 of what it is that we have going on okay so you can find me 41:08 right there right right there right there nikkei rights.wordpress.com and i promise i 41:14 spelt my name right i learned how to spell my name in kindergarten all right mckaywrights.wordpress.com 41:23 uh don is not with us today but hopefully he'll 41:28 be back soon but you can find him right there don miskell.com 41:34 all right he is a great writer hopefully we'll see some of his books in movies soon and 41:40 we'll be able to talk about them well i don't want to see i i i'll go i'll go to 41:45 the red carpet premiere wearing the the baddest gal money can buy or someone can 41:51 learn me he published skitter right 41:56 listen you all gotta read skitter you all can really tell me about it 42:02 because i told you i have limitations and that's as far as i'll go i love don 42:08 it's not that i won't do for don because he's he's like a true brother to me but that's where i draw a line and 42:14 wherever he gets in a group of people and talks about his writings you know since you're playing arena you'd know the answer that boy that would be a no 42:23 listen y'all gotta read skitter by don miskel since we're talking about her y'all gotta read that one okay tell me 42:31 about that that's one of my favorites and then 42:36 this chick right here you find her right there nicole decandas.com 42:42 okay at the opening of the show you heard music by 42:48 robert rice jr and you can find him over there smoothology.net 42:55 make sure you like and subscribe to our pages and you can find us okay this is where 43:03 it gets just a little bit tricky you can find us here on youtube 43:08 all right to find us on youtube you're gonna go to media 43:13 that moves we and there you will find all of our videos on movies that move we 43:19 that's the name of our our playlist okay and if you struggle with that no worries 43:26 no worries we kept it simple we have a facebook group called movies movie 43:32 we we like to keep it simple that but you know go ahead nicole you have to 43:38 answer those questions we have three includes your grandmother's maiden name 43:45 your fifth grade teacher and your favorite color and maybe your last four now i'm just joking because 43:51 people act like we're asking something that's really deeply profound it's as simple as 43:56 are you going to obey the rules of the platform and you know like you know what inspired you to i don't know it's three very 44:03 simple questions nothing really simple it's not true i'm gonna have to put on 44:10 you know i'm gonna have to die my lake edwards right now i heard 44:15 what you're not gonna do is think that we're going to let you 44:22 join our platform by answering the questions do you think that we took the time to post them for you not you're 44:28 going to have to answer them in order to join our group it's not a secret society we're not doing blood sacrifices we just 44:34 simply want to know are you going to come up on our page and tear up and the answer that is 44:40 if the answer is no and you're going to stick with the tenants and what we're trying to do which is talk about you know movies that impact 44:48 africans african-americans think you know things that nature you know um if you're gonna be a part at 44:54 then by all means join yeah so i mean i had i had to put on my neighborhood hat just a second ago yeah 45:01 because we don't do spam and all you know and stills and you know i know that you 45:06 all have some phenomenal your pyramid schemes going on i know your name on your page do that 45:14 you know we're not trying to be involved with that you know we're just we're just trying to talk about these topics so please join us there and share your 45:21 expertise we have some really interesting commentary up there and you know we get into some deep things people 45:27 share some movies and some other media that we're not even as familiar with and 45:32 it opens up you know your scope so definitely get that we have some great conversation starters and stuff 45:38 and with all that said god bless you and keep you we gonna get on out of here you all 45:45 enjoy the rest of your day and we'll see you next time to 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