Pioneer1 Posted April 30 Report Share Posted April 30 Brother frankster, in another thread you mentioned the "Watchers": Quote We once were a part of a Galactic civilization(Type II Civilization)...Now we have Watchers overseeing(Enoch) Would you like to know the TRUTH about who these Watchers actually were? They were BLACK MEN....soldiers stationed to the area of and around the Caucasus Mountain range and the Black Sea. They were assigned to keep the Caucasians from escaping and coming back into our civilizations. Some of them saw the Caucasian women as attractive and had sex with them producing mixed offspring. This is where you get the "sons of god mixing with the daughters of man" in Genesis btw.... You'll find that the Book of Enoch....like most so-called "scriptures" that pass through the hands of Caucasians....is a corrupted forgery based on the original TRUE history of that area that has been long suppressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Brother frankster, in another thread you mentioned the "Watchers": Would you like to know the TRUTH about who these Watchers actually were? They were BLACK MEN....soldiers stationed to the area of and around the Caucasus Mountain range and the Black Sea. They were assigned to keep the Caucasians from escaping and coming back into our civilizations. Some of them saw the Caucasian women as attractive and had sex with them producing mixed offspring. This is where you get the "sons of god mixing with the daughters of man" in Genesis btw.... You'll find that the Book of Enoch....like most so-called "scriptures" that pass through the hands of Caucasians....is a corrupted forgery based on the original TRUE history of that area that has been long suppressed. Sure tell me what you know and the support link to the texts that inform you. Do You have a link to where they were guarding the caucasus Mountains? As well as that they were black Men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 4 Author Report Share Posted May 4 frankster Though not impossible, it would be difficult to dig up the sources where I got this information from because much of it didn't come from sources online. The main source of this information comes from a VERY good book known as: Making of The White Man By author Paul Lawrence Guthrie This man actually set out to do research to try and PROVE that Elijah Muhammad was wrong about White people being a race of devils, and in the course of his research found out that it was actually TRUE....lol. Very powerful book with a lot of historic research that helps to clarify a lot of things and explains where a lot of mythology and religious scripture actually came from. I'd have to go to my storage library dig out some of the books, photo the pages, and then download them on to my computer and then on to this site.....lol. All of that work....only for you to STILL not be moved on inch and not believe what I said about the Watchers...lol. So I tell you what, let's start with this............ When you read the Bible, you already know you're reading a TRANSLATION. So when you read, "The sons of God entered the daughters of man" This is a MISTRANSLATION....purposefully done. It SHOULD read: "The sons of the Elohim had sex with the daughters of Adam" The ancient people....original people...who I'm sure we can both agree were Black....claimed to be children of the "gods" or "Deities" whether called Elohim by the Canaanites and Israelites or the Anunnaki by the Sumerians or the Neteru by the Kemites. These people were Black. Now, Adam is actually symbolic of the first Caucasian/White man. "Adam" literally means "to show blood" or in other words "blusher". Now do you disagree with anything I've said so far or should I provide links to my above assertions as evidence of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted May 4 Report Share Posted May 4 I’ll look up the book and add it to the site. I’m not sure I’d believe anything in it but if Black peoples are consuming the material it should be more widely known. @Pioneer1 You should still upload the material anyway … please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 5 Author Report Share Posted May 5 Troy I'm not sure if it's even still in print....lol. I've had that book since the 90s. I bought it at the Shrine of the Black Madonna bookstore in Detroit. They had so many books by Black authors that are lost or simply not in print anymore. Ever head of an author named "Rufus Shaw"? He did a number of GOOD books that were low budget but packed with sound practical advice for Black people and especially Black men in the U.S. on how to be successful. One was "How to be a Rich Nigga" and another was "Art of Hustling". If you could get your hands on those, you'll be sitting on top of a gold mine...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 7 Author Report Share Posted May 7 Now just think about this........... The SUPREME BEING Knows everything and Sees everything. The SUPREMBE BEING doesn't need to send Angels or Cherubim or any other Beings down to Earth on top of some mountains to stand around staring at humans and keeping an eye on them. Even human beings today have technology advanced enough that they can sit in some office in Bethesda Maryland looking up at a flat screen and monitor what's going on around the planet through satellites and drones! "Now what the hell are those Black fuckers up to down there? Hey Jared, why don't ya' zoom in and let's take a look at what's happening down in Haiti". Now come on, if White folks have that kind of technology... Surely The SUPREME BEING is Infinitely more Powerful!!! Listen brutha...... You're reading corrupted versions of the truth! They are forgeries and myths collected from around that area that were based on true stories thousands of years old. When you read the Book of Enoch and these other books and they talk about Mt Harmon and Mt Carmel and Mt Ararat and mount this and mount that....they're talking about PHYSICAL BEINGS who are on top of these mountains watching OTHER physical beings. These were Black HUMANS who were stationed on the tops of the Caucasus and other mountain ranges in the Middle East to watch and guard Caucasian human beings who were placed in the Caucasus for punishment! Just like when you read about the Devil and his angels being kicked out of heaven as punishment; it's a mythical version of the White folks being kicked out of the peaceful lands of the Original people and banished up into the Caucasus mountains as punishement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 10 Report Share Posted May 10 On 5/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Though not impossible, it would be difficult to dig up the sources where I got this information from because much of it didn't come from sources online. The main source of this information comes from a VERY good book known as: Making of The White Man By author Paul Lawrence Guthrie This man actually set out to do research to try and PROVE that Elijah Muhammad was wrong about White people being a race of devils, and in the course of his research found out that it was actually TRUE....lol. Very powerful book with a lot of historic research that helps to clarify a lot of things and explains where a lot of mythology and religious scripture actually came from. I'd have to go to my storage library dig out some of the books, photo the pages, and then download them on to my computer and then on to this site.....lol. All of that work....only for you to STILL not be moved on inch and not believe what I said about the Watchers...lol. So I tell you what, let's start with this............ Never Read the book... Do you know of any of his source materials? On 5/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, Pioneer1 said: When you read the Bible, you already know you're reading a TRANSLATION. So when you read, "The sons of God entered the daughters of man" This is a MISTRANSLATION....purposefully done. It SHOULD read: "The sons of the Elohim had sex with the daughters of Adam" The ancient people....original people...who I'm sure we can both agree were Black....claimed to be children of the "gods" or "Deities" whether called Elohim by the Canaanites and Israelites or the Anunnaki by the Sumerians or the Neteru by the Kemites. These people were Black. I am not saying I am Right and you Wrong on this point....but I have been led to think the following. The Anunnaki are Physical biological Beings... The Neteru are Principles that Operate in our Existence. The Anunnaki will have color can you say that they were Human and black Provide links. On 5/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, Pioneer1 said: Now, Adam is actually symbolic of the first Caucasian/White man. "Adam" literally means "to show blood" or in other words "blusher". Now do you disagree with anything I've said so far or should I provide links to my above assertions as evidence of them? I see Adam as the First man of our Kind (not just of White men)- Homo sapien sapien...yes Other Men existed. If Ham is a Descendant of Adam the I am a Descendant of Adam. Yes information is key..... provide any links you have to support your claims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 13 Author Report Share Posted May 13 frankster Never Read the book... Do you know of any of his source materials? I'm sure he has a bibliography in his book and I do remember seeing multiple books he referenced to in the book. Some of which were: Quran Bible Book of Enoch Babylonian Talmud Book of Adam and Eve Message To The Black Man I am not saying I am Right and you Wrong on this point....but I have been led to think the following. The Anunnaki are Physical biological Beings... As do I. There is no disagreement here. The Neteru are Principles that Operate in our Existence. Not sure about this. It's my understanding that "Neter" is simply the Kemetic term for the same superior advanced Beings known by other names such as Anunnaki, Giants, Titans, etc...in other cultures. Some of the Neteru will be ATTRIBUTED to certain principles and concepts....kind of like a Specialist Doctor will specialize in certain conditions. But that doesn't mean they ARE the condition they specialize in, it just means they are an expert in it. The Anunnaki will have color can you say that they were Human and black Provide links. I can provide evidence of them being advanced humans, but at this time I can not provide evidence that they were Black. These are the sculptures and pictures done by the ancient Sumerians depicting the Anunnaki: They look human to me. Perhaps I'm mistaken and rather than being human, humans were made to look like THEM Outside of that possibility, they look like human beings to me. It would have to be deductive reasoning that they were Black as White people didn't exist at that time (prior to 6000 years ago) and what other color/race of people existed in that region? Native Americans and East Asians (yellow man) are the only other actual races that are older than 6000 years (not by much though....lol), however there is little evidence of them dwelling in the Iraq, Iran, Egypt area. I see Adam as the First man of our Kind (not just of White men)- Homo sapien sapien...yes Other Men existed. I'm glad you acknowledge that other men existed before Adam. What KIND or RACE do you believe these "other men" were who existed before Adam? If Ham is a Descendant of Adam the I am a Descendant of Adam. So you believe that you are a descendant of Ham? Yes information is key..... provide any links you have to support your claims Alright, let's take a look at the Hebraic text as well as the transliteration of Genesis Chapter 6, shall we? Here you have the famous verses describing how the "Sons of God" mixed with the "daughters of man"; but when you read the original text for itself...you actually find a slightly different understanding. As I said before, "Elohim" doesn't mean "god"......but "gods" PLURAL. So why did the English translators translate it singularly? Because this FALSE translation lines up more neatly with their idea of monotheism. But in truth it should read the sons of the Elohim chose the daughters of Adam (ha adam). And took them as "wives"......spirits don't mix with humans for sex....let alone MARRY them. These would have to be flesh and blood beings to do this. It should also be noted that "Adam" is a symbolic word that actually represents a GROUP of people, not just one individual. Take a look at the original Hebraic Text along with the Transliteration and how the English translation mis-translates it: It says He blessed THEM and called THEIR name "Adam".....not just one person but the entire group. So when you read the original translation you realize that this is referencing an entire GROUP of people, not just one or two. This is one of the reasons why the Bible can't be taken literally or as God's word. Too much confusion and symbolism in it's language and translation. Now what does ADAM mean and why was this term ascribed to an entire group of people? Let's look at Strongs Biblical Lexicon : Strongs's #119: 'adam - Greek/Hebrew Definitions - Bible Tools Adam means to show blood in the face....or to "blush" taken from the root word "DM" meaning "red/blood". A-dam SHOW-BLOOD / BLUSH The only people who show blood or blush in the face are Caucasians or those MIXED with Caucasians. Adam represents the first White people on our planet and their initial interactions with US....the original people. Ahhhhh let's get into it brutha............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 I provided some information for you but it may seem disconnected so let me see if I can summarize it. I've attempted to prove that: 1. Adam actually represents a GROUP of people who "show blood" in the face or "blush" = White people/Caucasians 2. When the Bible says "the daughters of man" the translation literally means "daughters of Adam" FEMALE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE CAUCASIANS 3. When the Bible says "sons of God" the translation literally means "sons of the Elohim" SONS OF MULTIPLE DEITIES So the Sons of these Deities saw the daughters of the Caucasians, found them attractive and had sex with them. This is where the Book of Enoch and other texts base their claims of "Watchers" and "Fallen Angels" having sex with humans from. A MIS-TRANSLATION and MIS-UNDERSTANDING of the original. It's not about a bunch of spirits with wings floating around snatching up human women and flying off with them, it's about flesh and blood Beings of color in a position of power who see these Caucasian women and decide to have sex with them. You have something similar but on a much more minor scale today when Corrections Officers have sex with the inmates and get in trouble for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: frankster Never Read the book... Do you know of any of his source materials? I'm sure he has a bibliography in his book and I do remember seeing multiple books he referenced to in the book. Some of which were: Quran Bible Book of Enoch Babylonian Talmud Book of Adam and Eve Message To The Black Man Great books The book of Enoch speaks of the Watchers The bible speaks of the sons of God....those I know What does the talmud, the book of adam and eve and message to the black man says in regard to these beings? can you provide a quote? On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: I am not saying I am Right and you Wrong on this point....but I have been led to think the following. The Anunnaki are Physical biological Beings... As do I. There is no disagreement here Ok On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: The Neteru are Principles that Operate in our Existence. Not sure about this. It's my understanding that "Neter" is simply the Kemetic term for the same superior advanced Beings known by other names such as Anunnaki, Giants, Titans, etc...in other cultures. Some of the Neteru will be ATTRIBUTED to certain principles and concepts....kind of like a Specialist Doctor will specialize in certain conditions. But that doesn't mean they ARE the condition they specialize in, it just means they are an expert in it. NTR/Netjer/Neter or Neteru is Nature and the Divinities are various Forces of or In Nature The Anunnaki do seem to be Physical beings as the had children with human women called Nephilim. On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: The Anunnaki will have color can you say that they were Human and black Provide links. I can provide evidence of them being advanced humans, but at this time I can not provide evidence that they were Black. These are the sculptures and pictures done by the ancient Sumerians depicting the Anunnaki: They look human to me. Perhaps I'm mistaken and rather than being human, humans were made to look like THEM Outside of that possibility, they look like human beings to me. It would have to be deductive reasoning that they were Black as White people didn't exist at that time (prior to 6000 years ago) and what other color/race of people existed in that region? Native Americans and East Asians (yellow man) are the only other actual races that are older than 6000 years (not by much though....lol), however there is little evidence of them dwelling in the Iraq, Iran, Egypt area. They Look Humanoid to me. First off some of them have wings, they all have large strange eyes and final the One kneeling in what appears to be a Chuppah seems to be in mid air. On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: I see Adam as the First man of our Kind (not just of White men)- Homo sapien sapien...yes Other Men existed. I'm glad you acknowledge that other men existed before Adam. What KIND or RACE do you believe these "other men" were who existed before Adam? I Think they were Human beings in all likelihood comprised of varying skin color....Or Hominids. On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: If Ham is a Descendant of Adam the I am a Descendant of Adam. So you believe that you are a descendant of Ham? Yes I believe we are all descendants of Adam On 5/13/2023 at 8:46 AM, Pioneer1 said: Yes information is key..... provide any links you have to support your claims Alright, let's take a look at the Hebraic text as well as the transliteration of Genesis Chapter 6, shall we? Here you have the famous verses describing how the "Sons of God" mixed with the "daughters of man"; but when you read the original text for itself...you actually find a slightly different understanding. As I said before, "Elohim" doesn't mean "god"......but "gods" PLURAL. So why did the English translators translate it singularly? Because this FALSE translation lines up more neatly with their idea of monotheism. But in truth it should read the sons of the Elohim chose the daughters of Adam (ha adam). And took them as "wives"......spirits don't mix with humans for sex....let alone MARRY them. These would have to be flesh and blood beings to do this. It should also be noted that "Adam" is a symbolic word that actually represents a GROUP of people, not just one individual. Take a look at the original Hebraic Text along with the Transliteration and how the English translation mis-translates it: It says He blessed THEM and called THEIR name "Adam".....not just one person but the entire group. So when you read the original translation you realize that this is referencing an entire GROUP of people, not just one or two. This is one of the reasons why the Bible can't be taken literally or as God's word. Too much confusion and symbolism in it's language and translation. Now what does ADAM mean and why was this term ascribed to an entire group of people? Let's look at Strongs Biblical Lexicon : Strongs's #119: 'adam - Greek/Hebrew Definitions - Bible Tools Adam means to show blood in the face....or to "blush" taken from the root word "DM" meaning "red/blood". A-dam SHOW-BLOOD / BLUSH The only people who show blood or blush in the face are Caucasians or those MIXED with Caucasians. Adam represents the first White people on our planet and their initial interactions with US....the original people. Ahhhhh let's get into it brutha............. We have had this discussion before in which I showed you that all human beings blush and show blood. Lamentations 4:7 is speaking about Nazarites who are Israelites of the Vow of Consecration in Service to God. The theory that white people was a creation first came to me as they were descendants of Gehazi, the accursed servant of Elisha. Then Descendants of Laban the Albino Now creation of Yakub on the Isle of Patmos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 17 Report Share Posted May 17 On 5/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, Pioneer1 said: I provided some information for you but it may seem disconnected so let me see if I can summarize it. I've attempted to prove that: 1. Adam actually represents a GROUP of people who "show blood" in the face or "blush" = White people/Caucasians We agree..... except on that it was only white people. On 5/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, Pioneer1 said: 2. When the Bible says "the daughters of man" the translation literally means "daughters of Adam" FEMALE DESCENDANTS OF THOSE CAUCASIANS Again we....except on the point of they only being Caucasian Women On 5/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, Pioneer1 said: 3. When the Bible says "sons of God" the translation literally means "sons of the Elohim" SONS OF MULTIPLE DEITIES We concur On 5/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, Pioneer1 said: So the Sons of these Deities saw the daughters of the Caucasians, found them attractive and had sex with them. This is where the Book of Enoch and other texts base their claims of "Watchers" and "Fallen Angels" having sex with humans from. A MIS-TRANSLATION and MIS-UNDERSTANDING of the original. We Agree....except for daughters of Caucasians exclusively. On 5/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, Pioneer1 said: It's not about a bunch of spirits with wings floating around snatching up human women and flying off with them, it's about flesh and blood Beings of color in a position of power who see these Caucasian women and decide to have sex with them. In the Picture you provide as of the Anunnaki/Watchers/Fallen Angel some of them definitely had wings and one was even floating in mid air??? I at no time said the Anunnaki were Spirits. You have yet to show me how you arrive at the color of the Anunnaki? I know how you arrive at the color of Adam and caucasian, though we continue to disagree on that . On 5/14/2023 at 10:43 AM, Pioneer1 said: You have something similar but on a much more minor scale today when Corrections Officers have sex with the inmates and get in trouble for it. I can see the similarity....though it be a stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 17 Author Report Share Posted May 17 frankster NTR/Netjer/Neter or Neteru is Nature and the Divinities are various Forces of or In Nature Are the Neteru the same as Nature, or was the English term "nature" TAKEN from the Kemetic term "Neteru"? The Anunnaki do seem to be Physical beings as the had children with human women called Nephilim. The mistake many Christians often make is in calling the offspring between the "sons of gods" and the "daughter of Adam" -Nephilim. The word "Nephilim" is a plural term (a term that used to be translated as "giants") is actually the Hebrew term for the sons of gods themselves; not their offspring. Their OFFSPRING with humans were called offspring were called the "Gibborim" . Nephilim = Sons of the Elohim Gibborim = Children of the (Nephilim + Adamic women) First off some of them have wings, they all have large strange eyes and final the One kneeling in what appears to be a Chuppah seems to be in mid air. When studying ancient art and heiroglyphics whether it be found in Kemet or Babylon or Canaan....it's understood by many scholars that wings being depicted on a person or object doesn't necessarily mean they actually HAVE wings.....it simply means they possess the ability to FLY and the artist wants to convey that message. For example: The ancient Perian Deity Ahura Mazda is often depicted traveling on a disc or globe with wings. This wasn't to convince you that this inanimate object in which He rode on had wings and feathers, but that it could fly. Yes I believe we are all descendants of Adam Really......interesting. In Genesis Chapter 4 we read: When I read these passages, three questions immediately come to mind: 1. If we all came from Adam.....and Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel were the ONLY people on the planet....where did Cain find his WIFE? 2. If there were only 4 (now 3) people on the planet, who were the "everyone" Cain was worried about being killed by? 3. They said Cain got a wife and built a city. It takes many people to live in a city. Where did all of these people come from all of a sudden when there was only Adam, Eve, Cain, and his wife?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 The Watchers were head nodding to this music when they were on duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster NTR/Netjer/Neter or Neteru is Nature and the Divinities are various Forces of or In Nature Are the Neteru the same as Nature, or was the English term "nature" TAKEN from the Kemetic term "Neteru"? I do believe so 35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The Anunnaki do seem to be Physical beings as the had children with human women called Nephilim. The mistake many Christians often make is in calling the offspring between the "sons of gods" and the "daughter of Adam" -Nephilim. The word "Nephilim" is a plural term (a term that used to be translated as "giants") is actually the Hebrew term for the sons of gods themselves; not their offspring. Their OFFSPRING with humans were called offspring were called the "Gibborim" . Nephilim = Sons of the Elohim Gibborim = Children of the (Nephilim + Adamic women) We will have to agree to disagree on whether Nephilim is just another Name for Anunnaki or what their hybrid children were called. 35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: First off some of them have wings, they all have large strange eyes and final the One kneeling in what appears to be a Chuppah seems to be in mid air. When studying ancient art and heiroglyphics whether it be found in Kemet or Babylon or Canaan....it's understood by many scholars that wings being depicted on a person or object doesn't necessarily mean they actually HAVE wings.....it simply means they possess the ability to FLY and the artist wants to convey that message. All I did was to point out your inaccuracy Exactly you was the one who said - "It's not about a bunch of spirits with wings floating around snatching up human women and flying off with them," All I did was to point out your inaccuracy. Their Knowledge of flight does not mean they did not have wings whether it be biological mechanical or biomechanical ......they had wings The one in Mid air had no wings yet he was flying or levitating....the ones with wings feet where on the ground . 35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: For example: The ancient Perian Deity Ahura Mazda is often depicted traveling on a disc or globe with wings. This wasn't to convince you that this inanimate object in which He rode on had wings and feathers, but that it could fly. Yes it looks like he is in a Vimana....please note the differences too - these wings are appear different to the ones seen in the first set of pictures. 35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes I believe we are all descendants of Adam Really......interesting. In Genesis Chapter 4 we read: When I read these passages, three questions immediately come to mind: 1. If we all came from Adam.....and Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel were the ONLY people on the planet....where did Cain find his WIFE? 2. If there were only 4 (now 3) people on the planet, who were the "everyone" Cain was worried about being killed by? 3. They said Cain got a wife and built a city. It takes many people to live in a city. Where did all of these people come from all of a sudden when there was only Adam, Eve, Cain, and his wife?????? They are many possible answers..I never said Adam and eve etc were the only people on the Planet First I already stated that Adam was not the only Man....He was probable the first Homo sapien sapien We both agree that the Anunnaki and the Nephilim were around too....lets not forget the Igigi - last but not least so called wild Men - Hominids 35 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 24 Author Report Share Posted May 24 frankster Exactly you was the one who said - "It's not about a bunch of spirits with wings floating around snatching up human women and flying off with them," All I did was to point out your inaccuracy. Ok, and how did you? It's STILL not about a bunch of spirits with wings...because spirits DON'T NEED wings. Wings are organs of flight for a PHYSICAL world....spirits fly without wings or planes or anything esle physical. Their Knowledge of flight does not mean they did not have wings whether it be biological mechanical or biomechanical ......they had wings Ok. I won't argue it because I wasn't around to see what they had one way or the other. However I do know wings are often depicted on rather wing-less beings, simply to express their skill at floating and flying and defying the laws of gravity. Yes it looks like he is in a Vimana. Oh, so you know about the Vimanas? The vehicles the "gods" of Hinduism used to travel around in. If you read the Old Testament you'll read about "clouds" in the sky and Beings that travel in "clouds". This was probably a mistranslation of those same type of vehicles that the Hebrews witnessed flying around in the air. lets not forget the Igigi - last but not least so called wild Men Wild men? Are you sure you're not talking about Enkidu the mythological "wild man" of the Epic of Gilgamesh? ....which really symbolized the encounters of the wild Caucasian when he was still in the mountains. Red, hairy all over, and wild as hell....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Exactly you was the one who said - "It's not about a bunch of spirits with wings floating around snatching up human women and flying off with them," All I did was to point out your inaccuracy. Ok, and how did you? It's STILL not about a bunch of spirits with wings...because spirits DON'T NEED wings. Wings are organs of flight for a PHYSICAL world....spirits fly without wings or planes or anything esle physical. That's the point ......I do not think the Anunnaki are Spirits. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Their Knowledge of flight does not mean they did not have wings whether it be biological mechanical or biomechanical ......they had wings Ok. I won't argue it because I wasn't around to see what they had one way or the other. However I do know wings are often depicted on rather wing-less beings, simply to express their skill at floating and flying and defying the laws of gravity. True 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Yes it looks like he is in a Vimana. Oh, so you know about the Vimanas? The vehicles the "gods" of Hinduism used to travel around in. If you read the Old Testament you'll read about "clouds" in the sky and Beings that travel in "clouds". This was probably a mistranslation of those same type of vehicles that the Hebrews witnessed flying around in the air. Yes. Extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name Jah. 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: lets not forget the Igigi - last but not least so called wild Men Wild men? Are you sure you're not talking about Enkidu the mythological "wild man" of the Epic of Gilgamesh? ....which really symbolized the encounters of the wild Caucasian when he was still in the mountains. Red, hairy all over, and wild as hell....lol The Igigi and the Anunnaki it is believed both came from Nibiru.....Enkidu the Wild man was a Earthling. Gilgamesh is a hybrid. How did you come by the "Red, hairy all over" ....Esau was said to be red and hairy does that make Jacob(Israel) his brother Gilgamesh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 25 Author Report Share Posted May 25 frankster Extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name Jah. Are you sure "Jah" is his name? The letter "J" isn't very old. It's my understanding the main "God" of the Israelites was YHWH, also known as Yahweh, or Yahoowah. Gilgamesh is a hybrid. When you read about Gilgamesh and other figures in ancient stories being "half god and half man" or "half immortal and half mortal".....it's often talking about MIXED RACE people. People who are half Original/Black and half White. This Sumerian story of a "half-god" Gilgamesh is similar but more detailed than the story in Genesis about the "sons of God" mixing with the "daughters of man" producing "Mighty Ones" and men of Renown. It should be noted that the book of Genesis was written in Babylon and that land used to be ruled by the Sumerians. No doubt much of their culture and legends were passed down to the Assyrians who established the Babylonian empire. How did you come by the "Red, hairy all over" ....Esau was said to be red and hairy does that make Jacob(Israel) his brother Gilgamesh?? It was made clear in the Epic of Gilgamesh that he was hairy all over like an animal. I've only red a few sources that described his hair as red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 On 5/3/2023 at 8:55 PM, Pioneer1 said: Making of The White Man I forgot to mention i added this book to the site when pioneer first mentioned it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name Jah. Are you sure "Jah" is his name? The letter "J" isn't very old. It's my understanding the main "God" of the Israelites was YHWH, also known as Yahweh, or Yahoowah. In the KJV of the Bible that is the spelling used... Yes the letter "j" is said to be a young letter....but is the sound it represent also young???? 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Gilgamesh is a hybrid. When you read about Gilgamesh and other figures in ancient stories being "half god and half man" or "half immortal and half mortal".....it's often talking about MIXED RACE people. People who are half Original/Black and half White. I have yet to ascertain the nature of the Hybridism....Mixing You are saying it is a mixture of black and white peoples We are Spiritually Immortal but physically mortal.... The quest is physical immortal....only achieved by a relative few More achieved immortality through either Transmigration/Avatar or Remembering Self/Personality throughout rebirths/incarnations. 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: This Sumerian story of a "half-god" Gilgamesh is similar but more detailed than the story in Genesis about the "sons of God" mixing with the "daughters of man" producing "Mighty Ones" and men of Renown. True 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: It should be noted that the book of Genesis was written in Babylon and that land used to be ruled by the Sumerians. No doubt much of their culture and legends were passed down to the Assyrians who established the Babylonian empire. True Not sure about where it was written but agree it was probably taken from Sumerian Mythology 17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: How did you come by the "Red, hairy all over" ....Esau was said to be red and hairy does that make Jacob(Israel) his brother Gilgamesh?? It was made clear in the Epic of Gilgamesh that he was hairy all over like an animal. I've only red a few sources that described his hair as red. It is believed most hominids were hairy....and of course maybe a few were red - link me the source if possible about the "red" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 27 Author Report Share Posted May 27 frankster In the KJV of the Bible that is the spelling used... Yes the letter "j" is said to be a young letter....but is the sound it represent also young???? I don't believe so. I believe all of the SOUNDS that exist today, existed in the past, you that could be a good point. However the question is WAS the name YHWH pronounced with a "J" or "Y" sound? Most Jewish scholars claim the "Y" sound. While some Christian scholars decided to go with the "J" sound and most have since backed away from it. The majority of those what I've encountered so far insisting on still using the "J" sound are BLACK people like Jamaicans and some Hebrew Israelites who haven't really studied the Bible in it's original translations or haven't done much scholarly work and are basing their beliefs on corrupted and mistranslated and long abandoned references from White authorities. Evidence points to THEM being the ones who started this business about YHWH being called "Jehovah" and have now realized their mistake and walked away from it for the most part....but some Black folks still want to hold on to it. I have yet to ascertain the nature of the Hybridism....Mixing You are saying it is a mixture of black and white peoples We are Spiritually Immortal but physically mortal.... Yes, exactly. Which lends more credibility to my assertion that this "mixing" wasn't between Spiritual Beings and humans...but between flesh and blood humans of different races. ALL humans are Spirits housed in flesh and blood bodies...not just Gilgamesh and a few in ancient times. So if the Spirit/Flesh mix is what they were referring too...he would be no different than any other human being. Like I said, in my opinion the "mix" is between two different groups of PHYSICAL BEINGS. Races....in my opinion. The quest is physical immortal....only achieved by a relative few More achieved immortality through either Transmigration/Avatar or Remembering Self/Personality throughout rebirths/incarnations. I'm not sure. However my question is, do you really WANT to remain in the same body forever? Who wants to be stuck with the same car for 20 years when NEW more improved models are coming out every year? In this world, there is always room for improvement. No matter how wonderful you think your body is now...perhaps you may see or even develop one much more superior to the one you currently possess and transport your Soul into that one. It is believed most hominids were hairy. This entire business about hominids and cavemen and neanderthals is just different names and titles for White men who DEVOLVED and turned savage while they were stuck up in the mountains of the Caucasus. There is no history of Native Americans, Asians, or Africans of PURE BLOOD being "hairy". The only time they get hairy is if they're mixed with Caucasians somewhere down the line. They may grow beards, but as far as having hairy chests, bellies, backs, arms, and legs....it's very very rare to find PURE Africans, Native Americans, and Asians who are hairy. If you find them, chances are it comes from some White genetics. White people used to be smooth also UNTIL they were banished to the caves and mountains of the Caucasus where they went wild and grew hair all over their bodies from thousands of years of being exposed to the elements, as well as eating raw meat, having sex with family and animals, and engaging in a lot of other savage and gross behavior. They DE-VOLVED instead of E-VOLVED....another reason for the term "devil". DEVILUTION.....lol. If you haven't....I suggest you watch the movie QUEST FOR FIRE to give you some insight on how White folks really lived in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 27 Author Report Share Posted May 27 frankster When you get a chance, check out this video of Paul Wallis discussing much of the information I found out about the Bible and the beliefs of the ancient Hebrews: I don't agree with everything he says but he does hit on a lot of good points that I've discovered when I did my research on the Bible and ancient Sumerian/Canaanite studies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster In the KJV of the Bible that is the spelling used... Yes the letter "j" is said to be a young letter....but is the sound it represent also young???? I don't believe so. Psalm 68:4 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I believe all of the SOUNDS that exist today, existed in the past, you that could be a good point. However the question is WAS the name YHWH pronounced with a "J" or "Y" sound? Most Jewish scholars claim the "Y" sound. While some Christian scholars decided to go with the "J" sound and most have since backed away from it. The majority of those what I've encountered so far insisting on still using the "J" sound are BLACK people like Jamaicans and some Hebrew Israelites who haven't really studied the Bible in it's original translations or haven't done much scholarly work and are basing their beliefs on corrupted and mistranslated and long abandoned references from White authorities. True... I do not think the reason for their continued use is based on the mistranslation you mentioned.....The Mistranslation is real and they know it. There is a hidden and unpronounceable Name of God....It is "Jah" they say not "Jeh" as in Jehovah. 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Evidence points to THEM being the ones who started this business about YHWH being called "Jehovah" and have now realized their mistake and walked away from it for the most part....but some Black folks still want to hold on to it. True. 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: I have yet to ascertain the nature of the Hybridism....Mixing You are saying it is a mixture of black and white peoples We are Spiritually Immortal but physically mortal.... Yes, exactly. Which lends more credibility to my assertion that this "mixing" wasn't between Spiritual Beings and humans...but between flesh and blood humans of different races. Yes....the mixing was or is not between spiritual and physical but....... between physical and physical. Let me be clear the Neteru are Spiritual Forces......The Anunnaki are Physical Beings. Is Yahweh/Jehovah a Neteru Nature(Force of Nature) or Anunnaki (Physical Beings) ? The Anunnaki created human hybrid of themselves.....Adam - homosapiens sapiens The Anunnaki intermingled with humans having Nephilim(you disputed). 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: ALL humans are Spirits housed in flesh and blood bodies...not just Gilgamesh and a few in ancient times. Yes 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: So if the Spirit/Flesh mix is what they were referring too...he would be no different than any other human being. Gilgamesh was part God...so he was not just any other human being....He lacked Immortality 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Like I said, in my opinion the "mix" is between two different groups of PHYSICAL BEINGS. Races....in my opinion. Yes 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The quest is physical immortal....only achieved by a relative few More achieved immortality through either Transmigration/Avatar or Remembering Self/Personality throughout rebirths/incarnations. I'm not sure. However my question is, do you really WANT to remain in the same body forever? Who wants to be stuck with the same car for 20 years when NEW more improved models are coming out every year? In this world, there is always room for improvement. No matter how wonderful you think your body is now...perhaps you may see or even develop one much more superior to the one you currently possess and transport your Soul into that one. If the Gods covet physical immortality...then it must have its reward.....None wanted to be trapped in endless cycles of Rebirth for millennium/s 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: It is believed most hominids were hairy. This entire business about hominids and cavemen and neanderthals is just different names and titles for White men who DEVOLVED and turned savage while they were stuck up in the mountains of the Caucasus. How does this align with the story of Yakub on the Isle of Patmos? 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: There is no history of Native Americans, Asians, or Africans of PURE BLOOD being "hairy". The only time they get hairy is if they're mixed with Caucasians somewhere down the line. They may grow beards, but as far as having hairy chests, bellies, backs, arms, and legs....it's very very rare to find PURE Africans, Native Americans, and Asians who are hairy. If you find them, chances are it comes from some White genetics. Hairy or not is mostly due to Environment...diet and climate 53 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: White people used to be smooth also UNTIL they were banished to the caves and mountains of the Caucasus where they went wild and grew hair all over their bodies from thousands of years of being exposed to the elements, as well as eating raw meat, having sex with family and animals, and engaging in a lot of other savage and gross behavior. They DE-VOLVED instead of E-VOLVED....another reason for the term "devil". DEVILUTION.....lol. If you haven't....I suggest you watch the movie QUEST FOR FIRE to give you some insight on how White folks really lived in the past. Great Movie. 40 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster When you get a chance, check out this video of Paul Wallis discussing much of the information I found out about the Bible and the beliefs of the ancient Hebrews: I don't agree with everything he says but he does hit on a lot of good points that I've discovered when I did my research on the Bible and ancient Sumerian/Canaanite studies. I just ask you that question....will watch video soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 29 Author Report Share Posted May 29 frankster Psalm 68:4 Now....I'm gonna show you something. And you're gonna see why the Bible is so deceptive. In the KJV, Pslam 68: 4 reads: But in the original Hebrew Torah and literal transliteration that very SAME scripture reads: In the original Hebrew the word is clearly pronounced as "Yah" but in the King James Version they pronounce it "Jah" with a "J". In the original Hebrew they say He rides on the clouds, but in the King James Version they translate it as "heavens". Jah is NOT pronounced the same as Yah so they CAN'T be the same name. Clouds are NOT the same as Heavens. Now either ONE of those translations is correct or the OTHER is correct, right? I'm not a Biblical Theologian and even I can easily see that one of those translations is deceptively incorrect. There is a hidden and unpronounceable Name of God....It is "Jah" they say not "Jeh" as in Jehovah. Well if it's hidden and unpronounceable, how did YOU and others find out about it and why was it written down and allowed to be discussed among Biblical theologians and scholars? Also, if "Jah" is the name then were those pronouncing it as "Yah" all of these years in error? Is Yahweh/Jehovah a Neteru Nature(Force of Nature) or Anunnaki (Physical Beings) ? Well as far as what "Group of Beings" He belonged to, according the the scripture He is an Eloh....One of the Elohim (plural). Again, let's look at the original Hebrew Torah.... So according to the LITERAL translation of the Torah, Yahweh tells the Israelites that He is THEIR Eloh, and is named Yahweh. Eloh (singular) Elohim (plural). Are the Elohim the same as the Anunnaki? I'm not sure. But they were/are clearly Powerful Beings and according to scripture Yahweh is One. Now, to the question is Yahweh physical? Well, according to the scripture I provided above, the original Hebrew Torah says that Yah rides in the clouds. Spirits don't ride in clouds, they go where they want without physical assistance. Also, in Exodus Chapter 13:21 of the original Hebrew Torah we find: it says Yahweh traveled IN a pillar of cloud by day to lead the Children of Israel Again, I'm not sure why a NON-physical Being would travel inside that which IS physical. According to Genesis when Lord Yahweh visited Abraham....Abraham saw a MAN with other men. Physical Being....not a spirit. The Anunnaki created human hybrid of themselves.....Adam - homosapiens sapiens Or could this be a Western MIS-INTERPRETATION of ancient Sumerian writings? Instead of being all spooky with spirits and space aliens as many Western scholars may suggest....could it be that the Anunnaki were just advanced PEOPLE (Black people?) who made White folks (Adamites) from themselves through a certain selective breeding process? Gilgamesh was part God...so he was not just any other human being....He lacked Immortality Again, more assumptions based on Western translations of ancient Sumerian text. "God" is an English word...not a Sumerian one. So I'm curious as to what word they ACTUALLY used to describe Gilgamesh being "half" of. As we said, all humans are a mix of Spirit and flesh so they couldn't be talking about that. In order to be "half human" you would likely be half some other PHYSICAL being. Spirits don't go "half" on a body. How does this align with the story of Yakub on the Isle of Patmos? It doesn't. The Yakub Theory takes place hundreds of years earlier and involves the very process of MAKING the White race. This story of Enkidu symbolizes one man's encounter with them after they were driven into the wilderness and went wild themselves. It should be noted also that the Caucasian didn't start off wild and savage. He started off civilized through culture and knowledge passed directly down from his Black ancestors during the breeding process in Atlantis/Patmos. Research the Minoan Civilization and how advanced it was. He didn't go savage until much later on after being driven out of Eden (Africa) into the mountains of Eurasia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Psalm 68:4 Now....I'm gonna show you something. And you're gonna see why the Bible is so deceptive. In the KJV, Pslam 68: 4 reads: But in the original Hebrew Torah and literal transliteration that very SAME scripture reads: In the original Hebrew the word is clearly pronounced as "Yah" but in the King James Version they pronounce it "Jah" with a "J". In the original Hebrew they say He rides on the clouds, but in the King James Version they translate it as "heavens". Jah is NOT pronounced the same as Yah so they CAN'T be the same name. Clouds are NOT the same as Heavens. Now either ONE of those translations is correct or the OTHER is correct, right? I'm not a Biblical Theologian and even I can easily see that one of those translations is deceptively incorrect. The Truth is always hidden i n plain sight.... Remember it was the Hebrew duty to hide the actual true pronunciation of the Name of God....If a mistranslation but a part of the true enunciation out there how do The Hebrew confront it? Clouds are in Heaven - sky Clouds are meant to Confound. Heavens is Mental 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: There is a hidden and unpronounceable Name of God....It is "Jah" they say not "Jeh" as in Jehovah. Well if it's hidden and unpronounceable, how did YOU and others find out about it and why was it written down and allowed to be discussed among Biblical theologians and scholars? Also, if "Jah" is the name then were those pronouncing it as "Yah" all of these years in error? The Information that the actual name of God is Hidden is Known.....The Actual Name is still not in the public domain hence Hidden - Amen At this level it's not about right or wrong(error)....it's about Power - The actual Name of God is the beginning of Power. It is believed Jesus Learnt it from the Nazarenes(Essene) in Egypt a sect to which he and John The Baptist belong....Therapeutae All I know and its has been known for time now....is that it is passed on among a Chosen Few - yet kept in plain view 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Is Yahweh/Jehovah a Neteru Nature(Force of Nature) or Anunnaki (Physical Beings) ? Well as far as what "Group of Beings" He belonged to, according the the scripture He is an Eloh....One of the Elohim (plural). Again, let's look at the original Hebrew Torah.... So according to the LITERAL translation of the Torah, Yahweh tells the Israelites that He is THEIR Eloh, and is named Yahweh. Eloh (singular) Elohim (plural). Are the Elohim the same as the Anunnaki? I'm not sure. But they were/are clearly Powerful Beings and according to scripture Yahweh is One. Now, to the question is Yahweh physical? Well, according to the scripture I provided above, the original Hebrew Torah says that Yah rides in the clouds. Spirits don't ride in clouds, they go where they want without physical assistance. Also, in Exodus Chapter 13:21 of the original Hebrew Torah we find: it says Yahweh traveled IN a pillar of cloud by day to lead the Children of Israel Again, I'm not sure why a NON-physical Being would travel inside that which IS physical. According to Genesis when Lord Yahweh visited Abraham....Abraham saw a MAN with other men. Physical Being....not a spirit. So if Yahweh is a Physical being then he is not a Neteru Yahweh is a Member of the Elohim....are they the same as the Anunnaki. If they are then my guess is that the Elohim is the Name of members of the Ruling Council or High Ranking Officers 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Anunnaki created human hybrid of themselves.....Adam - homosapiens sapiens Or could this be a Western MIS-INTERPRETATION of ancient Sumerian writings? Instead of being all spooky with spirits and space aliens as many Western scholars may suggest....could it be that the Anunnaki were just advanced PEOPLE (Black people?) who made White folks (Adamites) from themselves through a certain selective breeding process? Could be.....Then what Happened to the advance black people? 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Gilgamesh was part God...so he was not just any other human being....He lacked Immortality Again, more assumptions based on Western translations of ancient Sumerian text. "God" is an English word...not a Sumerian one. So I'm curious as to what word they ACTUALLY used to describe Gilgamesh being "half" of. As we said, all humans are a mix of Spirit and flesh so they couldn't be talking about that. In order to be "half human" you would likely be half some other PHYSICAL being. Spirits don't go "half" on a body. He was "part" of something that was not human.....Anunnaki. In today's vernacular we interpret that to be God 14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: How does this align with the story of Yakub on the Isle of Patmos? It doesn't. The Yakub Theory takes place hundreds of years earlier and involves the very process of MAKING the White race. This story of Enkidu symbolizes one man's encounter with them after they were driven into the wilderness and went wild themselves. It should be noted also that the Caucasian didn't start off wild and savage. He started off civilized through culture and knowledge passed directly down from his Black ancestors during the breeding process in Atlantis/Patmos. Research the Minoan Civilization and how advanced it was. He didn't go savage until much later on after being driven out of Eden (Africa) into the mountains of Eurasia. Mixture of Humans and Anunnaki results in Giants. Black people and white people mixing do not result in Giants....how do you answer that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted May 29 Author Report Share Posted May 29 frankster The Truth is always hidden i n plain sight.... Remember it was the Hebrew duty to hide the actual true pronunciation of the Name of God....If a mistranslation but a part of the true enunciation out there how do The Hebrew confront it? First of all WHICH "God" are you talking about? There are many in scripture. Based on my research the Highest God in the Bible is called "El". Second, if it were their duty to hide the name, why did they put it in their scriptures? And if the name in their scriptures was NOT the actual name but a purposeful "mistranslation" in order to conceal (there's that word again...lol) the true name...which you claim is "Jah"...then why is it NOW revealed at this time? If they were supposed to conceal it back then, they are supposed to conceal it now. Clouds are in Heaven - sky Ok??? And what does THIS have to do with the fact and dilemma that you have two CLEARLY different English translations of the same Hebrew words? Again, both of them can't be correct. Heaven is NOT the same as clouds any more than waves are the same as the ocean. Clouds are meant to Confound. ....yeah and that ain't the only thing that was meant to confound, lol. The Information that the actual name of God is Hidden is Known.....The Actual Name is still not in the public domain hence Hidden - Amen Are you saying the word "Jah" isn't it either? At this level it's not about right or wrong(error)....it's about Power - The actual Name of God is the beginning of Power. Well regardless of Christian or Jewish theological doctrine about whether the Name is hidden, should be prounced, or how much power it has.....in the scriptures I provided the God of the Israelites CLEARLY identifies Himself as "YHWH". That wasn't hidden but clearly announced. All I know and its has been known for time now....is that it is passed on among a Chosen Few - yet kept in plain view And you say it is "Jah"? So if Yahweh is a Physical being then he is not a Neteru That's what YOU say because YOU don't believe that the Neters are physical, but spiritual/principles. I'm not sure if this is the case though. It could be that the Neteru were the physical Beings Who governed OVER certain principles. Yahweh is a Member of the Elohim....are they the same as the Anunnaki. Not sure if they're the same Beings being called by different regional names or actually different Beings or of different ranks. If they are then my guess is that the Elohim is the Name of members of the Ruling Council or High Ranking Officers That's pretty clear that the Elohim (also translated as Mighty Ones) were a ruling Council. Could be.....Then what Happened to the advance black people? I don't know. I have many theories. He was "part" of something that was not human.....Anunnaki. In today's vernacular we interpret that to be God This assumes that Zacharia Sitchin's interpretation that the Anunnaki were non-humans from another planet, is correct. But I have questions about this and other works of his though. It could be that his translation of the Sumerian text was wrong...and possibly INTENTIONALLY wrong and mistranslated. It could be that the Anunnaki are simply advanced flesh and blood human beings who came from another region of THIS planet to build a civilization in Sumer and that somehow their story was TURNED into a more sci-fi version at the hands of deceptive scholars. Mixture of Humans and Anunnaki results in Giants. Where did you get this information? Black people and white people mixing do not result in Giants....how do you answer that My answer is: You're correct. Mixing Black people with White people do NOT produce Giants. But again, outside of the King James MIS-translation of Genesis...who said "Giants" were being produced? According to Genesis when Abraham looked up and saw the Lord and two Angels...he saw 3 men...not Giants. They apparently were small enough in stature to go inside of his tent and have a meal. If the Lord and Angels were of relatively normal size...and humans are of normal size....where are these "giants" coming from? According to the New Testament..... Jesus was not only human but Divine and a child of the Lord; yet nothing in the scripture even suggested that he was a "giant" among the other humans he dwelt among. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster The Truth is always hidden i n plain sight.... Remember it was the Hebrew duty to hide the actual true pronunciation of the Name of God....If a mistranslation but a part of the true enunciation out there how do The Hebrew confront it? First of all WHICH "God" are you talking about? There are many in scripture. Based on my research the Highest God in the Bible is called "El". Creator God.... El is the name of an Anunnaki or a physical being or an organization to which they belong to. 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Second, if it were their duty to hide the name, why did they put it in their scriptures? And if the name in their scriptures was NOT the actual name but a purposeful "mistranslation" in order to conceal (there's that word again...lol) the true name...which you claim is "Jah"...then why is it NOW revealed at this time? If they were supposed to conceal it back then, they are supposed to conceal it now. Those are your conjectures. They did not and I made no claim to knowing it... Only of knowing of it's secrecy.....Nor did I say "jah" is it 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Clouds are in Heaven - sky Ok??? And what does THIS have to do with the fact and dilemma that you have two CLEARLY different English translations of the same Hebrew words? Again, both of them can't be correct. Heaven is NOT the same as clouds any more than waves are the same as the ocean. The Look up meaning of the word Heaven or Heavens? 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Clouds are meant to Confound. ....yeah and that ain't the only thing that was meant to confound, lol. Exactly. 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: The Information that the actual name of God is Hidden is Known.....The Actual Name is still not in the public domain hence Hidden - Amen Are you saying the word "Jah" isn't it either? I do not know if it is or if it isn't? 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: At this level it's not about right or wrong(error)....it's about Power - The actual Name of God is the beginning of Power. Well regardless of Christian or Jewish theological doctrine about whether the Name is hidden, should be prounced, or how much power it has.....in the scriptures I provided the God of the Israelites CLEARLY identifies Himself as "YHWH". That wasn't hidden but clearly announced. True.... 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: All I know and its has been known for time now....is that it is passed on among a Chosen Few - yet kept in plain view And you say it is "Jah"? No I am not saying it is Jah.....put Jah could be apart of it 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: So if Yahweh is a Physical being then he is not a Neteru That's what YOU say because YOU don't believe that the Neters are physical, but spiritual/principles. I'm not sure if this is the case though. It could be that the Neteru were the physical Beings Who governed OVER certain principles. Neither Am I....but I lean toward them being Principles of Nature. Gravity is man's explanation/understanding of a Principle of Nature...Man cannot govern Gravity but man can use other Principles(laws) of Nature to usurp/overcome Gravity 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Yahweh is a Member of the Elohim....are they the same as the Anunnaki. Not sure if they're the same Beings being called by different regional names or actually different Beings or of different ranks. Igigi are said to be from the Anunnaki home world where brought here on earth as workers, they rebelled and humans were created as the solution......Adams Calendar 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: If they are then my guess is that the Elohim is the Name of members of the Ruling Council or High Ranking Officers That's pretty clear that the Elohim (also translated as Mighty Ones) were a ruling Council. Yes 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Could be.....Then what Happened to the advance black people? I don't know. I have many theories. Share a few and any links to back it up.. 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: He was "part" of something that was not human.....Anunnaki. In today's vernacular we interpret that to be God This assumes that Zacharia Sitchin's interpretation that the Anunnaki were non-humans from another planet, is correct. But I have questions about this and other works of his though. It could be that his translation of the Sumerian text was wrong...and possibly INTENTIONALLY wrong and mistranslated. It could be that the Anunnaki are simply advanced flesh and blood human beings who came from another region of THIS planet to build a civilization in Sumer and that somehow their story was TURNED into a more sci-fi version at the hands of deceptive scholars. Other peoples from other parts of the planet speak of something similar happening.....In Mali the Dogon Fish God Nommos (Amma/Amen) or Hebrew Dagan or Sumerian fish God Oannes.....the story holds some water. 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Mixture of Humans and Anunnaki results in Giants. Where did you get this information? Genesis 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Black people and white people mixing do not result in Giants....how do you answer that My answer is: You're correct. Mixing Black people with White people do NOT produce Giants. But again, outside of the King James MIS-translation of Genesis...who said "Giants" were being produced? According to Genesis when Abraham looked up and saw the Lord and two Angels...he saw 3 men...not Giants. They apparently were small enough in stature to go inside of his tent and have a meal. It said there offspring were giants not that Angels were giants 31 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: If the Lord and Angels were of relatively normal size...and humans are of normal size....where are these "giants" coming from? According to the New Testament..... Jesus was not only human but Divine and a child of the Lord; yet nothing in the scripture even suggested that he was a "giant" among the other humans he dwelt among. In the sense that we are all Children of God and Divine.. The Gnostics preach that Yahweh was not the Creator but a False God - Demiurge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted Saturday at 10:18 PM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 10:18 PM frankster Creator God.... El is the name of an Anunnaki or a physical being or an organization to which they belong to. -Interesting..... In Genesis chapter 14 we read: What do you think these verses mean when they say "MOST HIGH GOD" or "EL ELYON" or "EL THE MOST HIGH"? If there is only one Deity, why was this DEITY this time distinguished with the title "Most High"? Those are your conjectures. They did not and I made no claim to knowing it... Only of knowing of it's secrecy.....Nor did I say "jah" is it Lol...do you have dementia? You don't remember saying, Quote Posted May 25 Yes. Extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name Jah. If you don't believe His name is "Jah" then why did you post this verse? The Look up meaning of the word Heaven or Heavens? Will the definition be the same as that of "clouds"....lol. If not, then my assertion that these are two different translations STILL STANDS. I do not know if it is or if it isn't? You gave the impression that you did. Igigi are said to be from the Anunnaki home world where brought here on earth as workers, they rebelled and humans were created as the solution......Adams Calendar .....home world, which I presume is "Nibiru". Am I correct? Genesis Lol....say no more. I've already shown where Genesis produces more confusion and more mis-translation after mis-translation. The word "giants" isn't even the original Hebrew, they were called another name. In the sense that we are all Children of God and Divine.. Oh, so you don't believe that Jesus was "God's Son" as Christianity teaches? The Gnostics preach that Yahweh was not the Creator but a False God - Demiurge. Some of this comes....not from actual research....but as a slick way of separating a lot of the bad or "negative" things allegedly done by Yahweh the God of the Old Testament from the "love teachings" of Christ in the New Testament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted Sunday at 05:34 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 05:34 PM 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster Creator God.... El is the name of an Anunnaki or a physical being or an organization to which they belong to. -Interesting..... In Genesis chapter 14 we read: What do you think these verses mean when they say "MOST HIGH GOD" or "EL ELYON" or "EL THE MOST HIGH"? If there is only one Deity, why was this DEITY this time distinguished with the title "Most High"? That there are many types of God. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Those are your conjectures. They did not and I made no claim to knowing it... Only of knowing of it's secrecy.....Nor did I say "jah" is it Lol...do you have dementia? You don't remember saying, If you don't believe His name is "Jah" then why did you post this verse? I never said that was his secret Name....I posted a verse as you were contending that the Name "Jah" was not biblical. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Look up meaning of the word Heaven or Heavens? Will the definition be the same as that of "clouds"....lol. If not, then my assertion that these are two different translations STILL STANDS. Did you look up the meanings? 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I do not know if it is or if it isn't? You gave the impression that you did. You are Mistaken ......I am in search of that word/Name 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Igigi are said to be from the Anunnaki home world where brought here on earth as workers, they rebelled and humans were created as the solution......Adams Calendar .....home world, which I presume is "Nibiru". Am I correct? Yes ..Or belong to the same Civilization - (group of Planets) 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Genesis Lol....say no more. I've already shown where Genesis produces more confusion and more mis-translation after mis-translation. The word "giants" isn't even the original Hebrew, they were called another name. I Think that Sumerian and Egyptian are the originating source for many bible stories.....As a result many words in the bible may indeed be borrowed from other languages. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: In the sense that we are all Children of God and Divine.. Oh, so you don't believe that Jesus was "God's Son" as Christianity teaches? Jesus Said we are all God's Children....I think it is different from Sons of God. Jesus is speaking to a Neteru or Principle(Spirit).....While Sons of God seems to speaking of Physical Beings. 18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The Gnostics preach that Yahweh was not the Creator but a False God - Demiurge. Some of this comes....not from actual research....but as a slick way of separating a lot of the bad or "negative" things allegedly done by Yahweh the God of the Old Testament from the "love teachings" of Christ in the New Testament. This Idea is said to have come from scroll/codices unearth in Egypt in 1900's of writings dated from the 2nd century....it was actual research findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted Sunday at 08:32 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:32 PM frankster I never said that was his secret Name....I posted a verse as you were contending that the Name "Jah" was not biblical. I questioned whether or not the name "Jah" was in the original translation since the later "J" is a pretty young letter. ...and I still question it. Especially since the Hebrew transliterations I've seen say "Yah" and "Yahweh" instead of "Jah". Did you look up the meanings? If I look them up will they tell me that clouds are the same as the sky or heaven? I Think that Sumerian and Egyptian are the originating source for many bible stories.....As a result many words in the bible may indeed be borrowed from other languages. Facts. A number of Israelites were held captive in Babylon for a number of years and no doubt go some of their stories and religious teachings from the Babylonians....who got THEIRS from the ancient Sumerians who preceded them in that land. This Idea is said to have come from scroll/codices unearth in Egypt in 1900's of writings dated from the 2nd century....it was actual research findings. Yeah? Well who "unearthed" these scrolls and codices? Was it the same group of people responsible for stealing land from and killing the Native Americans, kidnapping and enslaving the Africans, and inventing the religion of Christianity to deceive the planet with? ....if I were silly enough to believe ANYTHING that comes from their deceptive hands, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankster Posted Monday at 04:34 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:34 AM 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: frankster I never said that was his secret Name....I posted a verse as you were contending that the Name "Jah" was not biblical. I questioned whether or not the name "Jah" was in the original translation since the later "J" is a pretty young letter. ...and I still question it. Especially since the Hebrew transliterations I've seen say "Yah" and "Yahweh" instead of "Jah". Below I quote: On 5/27/2023 at 1:02 PM, Pioneer1 said: In the KJV of the Bible that is the spelling used... Yes the letter "j" is said to be a young letter....but is the sound it represent also young???? I don't believe so. I believe all of the SOUNDS that exist today, existed in the past, you that could be a good point. It was your incredulity that I was challenging and proved. On 5/27/2023 at 1:02 PM, Pioneer1 said: 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Did you look up the meanings? If I look them up will they tell me that clouds are the same as the sky or heaven? "If" so you did not. 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: I Think that Sumerian and Egyptian are the originating source for many bible stories.....As a result many words in the bible may indeed be borrowed from other languages. Facts. A number of Israelites were held captive in Babylon for a number of years and no doubt go some of their stories and religious teachings from the Babylonians....who got THEIRS from the ancient Sumerians who preceded them in that land. No Arguments here 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: This Idea is said to have come from scroll/codices unearth in Egypt in 1900's of writings dated from the 2nd century....it was actual research findings. Yeah? Well who "unearthed" these scrolls and codices? A Muslim brother it seems of Egypt. 7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Was it the same group of people responsible for stealing land from and killing the Native Americans, kidnapping and enslaving the Africans, and inventing the religion of Christianity to deceive the planet with? ....if I were silly enough to believe ANYTHING that comes from their deceptive hands, lol. No it was not them who unearth the codices... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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