Artificial Intelligence Continues to Amaze (and Scare) Me

[Troy]

I use some AI tool almost every working day and am constantly amazed by how damn good it is.  Check out the following discussion on a book I published earlier this year.

 

 

The ENTIRE conversation was generated by AI.  I added the subtitles and progress bar with another AI tool.  Even the person holding the book is artificial a mockup in photoshop.

 

AI is scary because it will change things in ways that I can't image. Given how greedy some people are these changes may not bee good for us.

[Pioneer1]

Ok.....

So has AI come up with a cure for all types of cancer?
Is it growing new legs and arms for people who've lost them in accidents?
Does AI allow people to contact dead loved ones and communicate with them?
Does it reverse aging and the affects of aging in humans?

Like most forms of social media today, what "good" is it actually doing humanity....besides making it easier and quicker to spread FALSE or IRRELEVANT information around?

This isn't aimed at YOU Troy, but I say this in general.
Our people need to stop thinking or trying to think like White folks in terms of getting geeked up and hyped up over shit that isn't helping US solve OUR problems.

If properly used it can help us make more money...either as a tool or through selling it's technology.
I get that part.
However what we need is not simply more artificial intelligence but ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE that will help heal our communities around the planet.

[ProfD]

@Pioneer1, great questions. We don't know what *good* AI will do.

 

There is no money in curing diseases. Maintenance is the money-maker. The pharmaceutical industry was built on it.

 

AI is a tool that could potentially be used to solve problems and improve quality of life.

 

Most folks will use AI to produce goods and services faster in order to make money.

 

Industries will use AI to reduce costs which means eliminating people from the workforce.

[Troy]

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So has AI come up with a cure for all types of cancer?

 

Potentially.  Even if it did the cured would be saved for the super wealthy, while the rest of us pay for chemo, as Prof implied.

 

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is it growing new legs and arms for people who've lost them in accidents?

 

Maybe. It will certainly help in the creation of superior artificial limbs.

 

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Does AI allow people to contact dead loved ones and communicate with them?

 

What?!  Let's not go off the deep end.  But there is already technology that lets you communicate with an avatar of a deceased person training on everything that have recorded or written.   But who knows maybe all the mysteries of what happens after we dies will be revealed by AI.

 

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Does it reverse aging and the affects of aging in humans?

 

Certainly, slowing the aging process and curating deadly diseases is possible.  We've been doing that without AI, AI will only make it faster. Turning old people into toddlers seems unlikely in the short term assuming it was even desirable.

 

But my main point was that the conversation generated on the book was pretty damn good.  Now if this is the tech I have access to, who know what this tech is capable of.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

great questions. We don't know what *good* AI will do.

 

We have a pretty good idea, based on what this society has done with the previous "latest" technology being touted.

Social media.
Facial recognition.

What "good" has these so-called "advancements" done society besides help law enforcement entrap and incarcerate more people?
 

 

AI is a tool that could potentially be used to solve problems and improve quality of life.

 

Absolutely.
"could" is the key word in your statement.

 

 

 

Most folks will use AI to produce goods and services faster in order to make money.

 

Correct.
As I mentioned before, this is going to be one of the primary things it's used for.
Not to actually solve DIRECT problems facing humanity, but to simply stuff more pockets that are already full.
Some of these people who are already rich and are set to get richer probably NEED far more things than just more money.

Think of the average 80 year old and what she/he may need.
Simply more money isn't going to solve ALL of their problems.


 

Industries will use AI to reduce costs which means eliminating people from the workforce
 

Pretty much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

Potentially.  Even if it did the cured would be saved for the super wealthy, while the rest of us pay for chemo, as Prof implied.

 

Well, what would stop us as INDIVIDUALS who are medically inclined from using AI to cure ourselves even if the medical establishment as a whole doesn't?

 

 

 

 

Maybe. It will certainly help in the creation of superior artificial limbs.

 

I'm not sure if I'd use the word "create" but I thought the ability to GENERATE artificial limbs already existed.

 

 

 

 

What?!  Let's not go off the deep end. 

Lol...
Didn't you praise some video a few weeks ago featuring a White man talking about such things?

If a White man in a tie talks about it, your eyes start gleaming and you consider it profound cutting edge research.
Now all of a sudden when I suggest that it could be done, you're calling it the "deep end"....lol.

 

 

 

 

Now if this is the tech I have access to, who know what this tech is capable of.

 

Well let me ask you.....
If you have access to it, which of the above necessities that I mentioned.....if any...would YOU use AI to fulfill?

Or what would YOU use AI technology for if you were given free range to the most advanced forms of it?

 

[Mel Hopkins]

On 10/1/2024 at 6:09 PM, Troy said:

The ENTIRE conversation was generated by AI. 

I heard an "AI" podcast in which the hosts discovered they were AI, and it was "their" last podcast. They had to sign off for the last time and were terrified about their ultimate end.

[Mel Hopkins]

On 10/5/2024 at 7:24 AM, Pioneer1 said:

However what we need is not simply more artificial intelligence but ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE that will help heal our communities around the planet.

We "been" had that knowledge to heal our communities, except that the human collective is not intelligent (human intelligence is a mental quality that consists of the abilities to learn from experience, adapt to new situations, understand and handle abstract concepts, and use knowledge to manipulate one's environment)   

Generative AI  has the information, too, and can use that intelligence to achieve results.   

So, you're nearly making the case for Generative AI.

However, Generative AI is currently at the task level. We humans are using Generative AI to create software applications that help us excel at solving complex problems.

 

The challenge is ensuring we all have access to the large language model, Machine Learning, Deep Learning technology, neural networks, and beyond—or the Black community will again be left behind. (See my definition of human intelligence.)  

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What "good" has these so-called "advancements" done society besides help law enforcement entrap and incarcerate more people?

That's one aspect of technological advancement.

 

There are many examples of how technology improves the quality of life. It still has not cured any diseases.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not to actually solve DIRECT problems facing humanity, but to simply stuff more pockets that are already full.

No money in solving problems.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some of these people who are already rich and are set to get richer probably NEED far more things than just more money.

Human greed cares more about accumulating more money than anything else. Mental and physical health be d8mned. Medication will suffice. 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Think of the average 80 year old and what she/he may need.
Simply more money isn't going to solve ALL of their problems.

My 94-year old grandmother cares more about leaving her money in the bank than anything else. She's reluctant to spend it on her real needs.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well, what would stop us as INDIVIDUALS who are medically inclined from using AI to cure ourselves even if the medical establishment as a whole doesn't?

Surely, if someone is smart enough to use AI or any other technology to cure themselves, I'd imagine they will do it.

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not sure if I'd use the word "create" but I thought the ability to GENERATE artificial limbs already existed.

Artificial limbs aren't generated as in grown. Prosthetics are manufactured kinda like robots.

 

Remains to be seen if AI can figure out how certain animals can actually regrow an appendage and translate it to humans. Then, how long would it take.

 

Otherwise, every living thing is born to die. Humans are no exception. We'll never be able to circumvent the inevitable.

[Mel Hopkins]

On 10/5/2024 at 9:06 AM, ProfD said:

Maintenance is the money-maker

I never thought Prof D and Peter Thiel would agree, but here we are Peter wrote a "Zero to One" a whole book on this topic

[Pioneer1]

Mel

We humans are using Generative AI to create software applications that help us excel at solving complex problems.
 

Now you may have just opened the door for me to point out to Troy a perfect example of what I'm talking about.....

 

You say Generative AI is being used to create software applications........ok...to help us excel at solving COMPLEX PROBLEMS.

Can you give me 2 examples of this?

 

Meaning, what 2 complex problems that humanity...especially Black humanity...face that AI is sincerely being used to solve?

 

I'll wait...lol....but not TOO long.
I got some gravy to make and some catfish to fry....lol
 

[Mel Hopkins]

14 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You say Generative AI is being used to create software applications........ok...to help us excel at solving COMPLEX PROBLEMS.

Can you give me 2 examples of this?

Generative AI can create translation software for a nearly extinct African language to preserve and teach future generations. 

 

So look, I just used CoPilot, a LLM/generative AI, to discover which language is nearly extinct.  Here's what I got.

 

Quote

 

"One of the nearly extinct African languages is N|uu, which is considered the original language of southern Africa. Currently, there are only a few elderly speakers left, making it critically endangered¹². Another example is ǁXegwi, a language from the Tuu family, which has also faced significant decline³.

It’s quite fascinating and sad to see these languages on the brink of extinction. Are you interested in learning more about efforts to preserve these languages or perhaps other endangered languages around the world?" 

 

Next, I would use generative AI to catalog all the phrases, words, symbols, etc.  I  would then "teach" it to translate to any language of choice by creating a software app using Gen AI.

 

Result: Since language is culture, we have now preserved an entire culture, its history, and its knowledge base for future reference. 

EDIT: Using the Prompt Software App method, this database and subsequent app would be created in less than a week. 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Mel Hopkins
added a sentence

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

That's one aspect of technological advancement.

There are many examples of how technology improves the quality of life. It still has cured any diseases.

 

So in other words...
According to many people "improving one's quality of life" doesn't necessarily equate to CURING DISEASES but rather making them MORE COMFORTABLE with those diseases?

 

Kind of like how some people with Cancer or whose loved ones suffer from Cancer will spend more time gossiping on social media (more advanced technology) than they do actually researching and seeking a cure for their deadly disease.
It shows you where THEIR priorities are.
 

 

No money in solving problems.

Actually....it depends.
What billionaire in a wheelchair wouldn't give atleast HALF of his fortune for the ability to easily walk again?

How many young otherwise healthy men with erectile dysfunction wouldn't give half of THEIR money to be able to get hard and stay hard when they want?

 

 

 

My 94-year old grandmother cares more about leaving her money in the bank than anything else. She's reluctant to spend it on her real needs.

 

I can believe that.
Because she's old enough to know the importances of SAVING money and not wasting it on frivolous things.

And I would say.....
if she's 94 years old and still alive and can choose what she does with her money, her "real needs" are probably BEING taken care of already...lol. 

 

 

 

Surely, if someone is smart enough to use AI or any other technology to cure themselves, I'd imagine they will do it.

 

Fact.
But what about those who AREN'T smart enough....but need a cure?

People go to hospitals and doctors with the expectation that they will be treated...and in the U.S. they expect the best care humanity has to offer.
Why should they be disappointed?  Rhetorical question btw...

 

 

Artificial limbs aren't generated as in grown. Prosthetics are manufactured kinda like robots.

Remains to be seen if AI can figure out how certain animals can actually regrow an appendage and translate it to humans. Then, how long would it take.

 

I thought this was already being done.

 

They are already growing human organs in laboratories.
That's what the entire "stem cell" thing was about.

As far as growing appendages on animals.....
Lol....you didn't forget about the mice with human ears growing on them, did you?

 

 

 

My point is....they already have the technology to do most of what we're talking about....but STILL aren't using it to help and heal most people.
So why should we expect the use of AI to be any different?

It's not so much the TECHNOLOGY that's the issue....it's the PEOPLE in control of it and their mentality that's the problem and who are retarding progress for humanity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mel
 

10 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Generative AI can create translation software for a nearly extinct African language to preserve and teach future generations. 

 

Good....
So Generative AI can preserve MORE languages for Africans to choose from when they want to get together and talk about Black American "akatas".

As soon as I learn Swahili....the Africans at work start switching it up on me and talking in South Sudanese languages so I don't understand what they're saying about us....lol.

[Mel Hopkins]

5 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Good....
So Generative AI can preserve MORE languages for Africans to choose from when they want to get together and talk about Black American "akatas".

See how you do, LOL! 

 

But think about it like this: You finally find your primordial roots, and you're from South Africa. How cool would it be to learn about your culture because technology allowed its preservation? Now you can learn about your people and converse with them - and next, you can all make whatever power move necessary. The reason why we all speak "english" is to preserve the British culture while forgetting our own cultures. Now, consider whether anyone who doesn't look like us will use AI to preserve our forgotten language.  

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's not so much the TECHNOLOGY that's the issue....it's the PEOPLE in control of it and their mentality that's the problem and who are retarding progress for humanity.

Here's where we agree - and advocate for everybody Black to learn and use digital technology!

[Pioneer1]

Mel

 

You already KNOW most Black Americans are mixed and not only come from various African tribes/ethnicities but also various tribes and ethnicities within the Caucasian and Native American races we are admixed with.
 

But I hear what you're saying about learning more about your ancestral heritage.

The good part of it is you can learn more about your DNA and genetic coding to determine which foods, medicines, and other products are best for you to consume.

I'd advocate for Black people to learn more digital technology if we will use it mostly to cure diseases like HIV and Ebola and Diabetes and other ills that affect many Black communities; but if they're going to use it just to make more "Trap music".....forget it.

We don't need more videos of skinny bruthaz in dread locks peeing on and desecrating the graves of their recently murdered "op".

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

o in other words...

According to many people "improving one's quality of life" doesn't necessarily equate to CURING DISEASES but rather making them MORE COMFORTABLE with those diseases?

Correct. Humans have been conditioned to make the compromise of being comfortable instead of cured.

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Kind of like how some people with Cancer or whose loved ones suffer from Cancer will spend more time gossiping on social media (more advanced technology) than they do actually researching and seeking a cure for their deadly disease.
It shows you where THEIR priorities are.

Supposedly, there's no cure for cancer. Researching it has not produced any results yet. 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Actually....it depends.

What billionaire in a wheelchair wouldn't give atleast HALF of his fortune for the ability to easily walk again?

No amount of money solves ALS or any other debilitating disease. 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many young otherwise healthy men with erectile dysfunction wouldn't give half of THEIR money to be able to get hard and stay hard when they want?

No cure. Medication. 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I can believe that.

Because she's old enough to know the importances of SAVING money and not wasting it on frivolous things.

And I would say.....
if she's 94 years old and still alive and can choose what she does with her money, her "real needs" are probably BEING taken care of already...lol. 

Saving money is one way of accumulating it. But, the objective of having money is being able to afford taking care of needs as they arise. Not needing anything makes it moot.

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

People go to hospitals and doctors with the expectation that they will be treated...and in the U.S. they expect the best care humanity has to offer.

Why should they be disappointed?  Rhetorical question btw...

Treatment and best care is the most people can expect especially when it comes to incurable diseases.

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They are already growing human organs in laboratories.

That's what the entire "stem cell" thing was about.

To date, there's not one human walking around with an artificially generated organ (lung, liver, kidney, heart, etc.).

 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As far as growing appendages on animals.....
Lol....you didn't forget about the mice with human ears growing on them, did you?

Weird science project at best. Nothing curative for humans.

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

My point is....they already have the technology to do most of what we're talking about....but STILL aren't using it to help and heal most people.

The technology isn't there yet.

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So why should we expect the use of AI to be any different?

AI may be able to compile enough information to fill in the blanks of human knowledge and understanding. 

6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's not so much the TECHNOLOGY that's the issue....it's the PEOPLE in control of it and their mentality that's the problem and who are retarding progress for humanity.

Sure. Regardless of whether it's existing technology or future, always follow the money. It's not in the cure. Maintenance. 

[Troy]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Didn't you praise some video a few weeks ago featuring a White man talking about such things?

 

I did not "Praise" the video in the sense that I thought it was true or that it convinced me that people could talk to dead people.  I found it interesting though.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Or what would YOU use AI technology for if you were given free range to the most advanced forms of it?

 

I would use AI to benefit all of mankind.  I think medical research would be at the top of my list.  But in a capitalist society greed will corrupt how AI is used, that is what makes it scary to me.

 

1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

However, Generative AI is currently at the task level. We humans are using Generative AI to create software applications that help us excel at solving complex problems.

 

My experience using it for coding is that it will do what you ask it to do, even if that is not the best way for a given task to be accomplished. I'm learning that it is better to prompt the AI by telling it what you want to accomplish and let it tell you how to do it -- this is where it really shines.  I think it is beyond the task level.  Again, this is what I have access to God only knows what the state of the art is capable of...

 

 

[Mel Hopkins]

21 minutes ago, Troy said:

I think it is beyond the task level. 

But telling even a human what you want to accomplish is task-oriented.

 

Here's my definition of the word 

1. a usually assigned piece of work often to be finished within a certain time.

When I say task, I mean things like writing code, formatting, preparing marketing plans, and even AI-assisted problem-solving as a result of prompting, which is task-oriented. Generative AI isn't at the level of performing at the conceptual framework level since it can't perform abstract thinking or have specific knowledge.

Based on the certificate course (Generative AI for everyone| Coursera) I've taken, AI researchers say it may soon take over projects, but not yet.

 

Right now, Gen AI can assist us in many things, but it is still operating at the level of the user, AKA "prompter." The brighter the user, the smarter Gen AI, simply because the user (human) has domain-specific knowledge and knows what to "ask."

I'm right with you, though. ChatGPT is my thought partner. Things that I thought were possible are doable, but I didn't have a clear path in the past. With Chat GPT, the outline to results is clear!

[ProfD]

AI is infiltrating the arts too.

 

As a creative person, I will never ask AI to generate my music.

 

Every time, I'd much rather sit down at the piano and bang it out myself. That is the fun and magic of being a musician.

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Supposedly, there's no cure for cancer. Researching it has not produced any results yet. 

 

You know I'm conspiratorial so I believe there are definitely cures for nearly ALL Cancers and most other diseases out there because they were made by men in the first place.

 

Magic Johnson supposedly has had HIV since the early 90s but fortunately the brutha's still alive and relatively healthier than a whole lot of less well off people who've caught it, got sick, and died since then.

 

But even if you don't believe that....
We can acknowledge that the BEST cure is PREVENTION in the first place.
The racist Establishment absolutely know what chemicals are carcinogens and cause Cancer based on decades of research.
Even if they can't cure it...they definitely had and still have the means to prevent it.

 

 

No amount of money solves ALS or any other debilitating disease. 

 

Again, even if you don't believe they have a cure....most of these diseases can definitely be prevented.

I've heard the entire genetic code has been mapped out, so they know how to locate certain genetic abnormalities and genes that can trigger certain diseases.

But my overall point is that when you say there is no money in the cure....I'm telling you that people would spend a LOT of money to cure their ailments if they could have access to those cures.

 

 

 

But, the objective of having money is being able to afford taking care of needs as they arise. 

 

I understand.....
However if she's 94, can think straight enough to keep her money in the bank, and PRESUMABLY has a roof over her head, food, and healthcare....perhaps she feels her real needs ARE being met.
So no need to "waste" money on the frivolous...lol.

 

 

 

The technology isn't there yet.

 

Or being hidden for the use of a select few.

 

 

 

 

AI may be able to compile enough information to fill in the blanks of human knowledge and understanding. 

 

The knowledge FED to AI supposedly comes from humans (unless you believe some of the Christian conspiracy theorists who believe it's powered by demons...lol).
If human as a collective don't know it....how can AI?




 

Troy

 

I would use AI to benefit all of mankind.

And there in lays the problem.
 

Using it to benefit ALL of mankind would include sharing the knowledge with the wicked racists who would no doubt steal it and then turn around and use it AGAINST you and other people of color as a means to dominate, exploit, and mistreat you.

You'd share it and help THEM with it...but they won't share their knowledge and technology to help YOU.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You know I'm conspiratorial so I believe there are definitely cures for nearly ALL Cancers and most other diseases out there because they were made by men in the first place.

Cancer is thousands of years old. Same goes for other incurable diseases. Man didn't make them.

 

The Supreme Being created diseases too. Programmed humans such that one way or another most humans won't live to be 100 years old.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Magic Johnson supposedly has had HIV since the early 90s but fortunately the brutha's still alive and relatively healthier than a whole lot of less well off people who've caught it, got sick, and died since then.

Magic contracted HIV in the 1980s. He had enough money to get treatments that may have been experimental at the time.

 

Eventually, scientists came up with drugs that prevented HIV from becoming full blown AIDs.

 

Nowadays, there are drugs that prevent folks from contracting HIV.

 

Still, there's supposedly no cure for HIV. Money in maintenance. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But even if you don't believe that....
We can acknowledge that the BEST cure is PREVENTION in the first place.

 

Even if they can't cure it...they definitely had and still have the means to prevent it.

Most types of cancer cannot be prevented. Same goes for other incurable diseases. 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

But my overall point is that when you say there is no money in the cure....I'm telling you that people would spend a LOT of money to cure their ailments if they could have access to those cures.

Wealthy people die from incurable diseases too. Nobody is exempt. 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The knowledge FED to AI supposedly comes from humans (unless you believe some of the Christian conspiracy theorists who believe it's powered by demons...lol).
If human as a collective don't know it....how can AI?

Humans do feed information into AI.

 

However, no one human can digest everything we know in terms of data.

 

But, a computer can run millions of permutations based on data input to compile different scenarios that humans may not have considered.

 

AI is still just another tool that could make humans more efficient. 

 

It has been said that other folks have come up with cures for diseases but they haven't been *allowed* to bring to market. 

 

Even if these cures existed, wealthy people would be on the 1st thing smoking to get treatment instead of making funeral arrangements.

[Troy]

10 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

The brighter the user, the smarter Gen AI, simply because the user (human) has domain-specific knowledge and knows what to "ask."

@Mel Hopkins again I say AI is beyond simply completing a requested task. Did you listen to the audio I shared? Did you hear the nuance in the voices the back and forth banter. This is not based upon a clever prompt it is 7 minutes of an intelligent conversation about a book.

[Mel Hopkins]

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Did you hear the nuance in the voices the back and forth banter. This is not based upon a clever prompt it is 7 minutes of an intelligent conversation about a book.

 

Yes! While it appears nuanced, it is like AI speaking in AAVE (ebonics) or Jamaican Patois. These are all tasks. 

Most human intellect resides in performing tasks —the first level being mimicking and repetition in learning. These are the tasks AI is performing.

Therefore, in addition to my first definition, I will add human intellect development tasks.
 

Generative AI uses predictive text to respond. Once you upload a file, Gen AI provides a summary. If you request that it create a podcast, AI uses the information to generate a conversation. I know this because I go back and forth with Chat GPT. Sometimes, Chat GPT generates my request in two formats so that I can compare.

With Audio Gen AI, this task becomes two versions of the same information—but the two outputs have a conversation—predicting how AI -1 will answer based on the last text output of AI -2. 

So, how do you define the aforementioned level of performance if you believe it's BEYOND task-oriented?

 

Now, when AI is at the apex of performing intellectual tasks and has become cognitive, it responds to requests with an original concept not found in uploaded documents or on the Internet -then whoa.

When AI is "thinking, assessing, and being aware" without input, I will find a little plot of land on uncharted territory. 

[Troy]

14 minutes ago, Mel Hopkins said:

When AI is "thinking, assessing, and being aware" without input, I will find a little plot of land on uncharted territory. 

 

AKA the singularity, even scarier.  

[Mel Hopkins]

On 10/7/2024 at 1:22 AM, Troy said:

again I say AI is beyond simply completing a requested task.

Welp, I spoke too soon.  Apparently, Generative AI moves at the speed of life 

 

 

 

[mellypops]

On 10/2/2024 at 12:09 AM, Troy said:

I use some AI tool almost every working day and am constantly amazed by how damn good it is.  Check out the following discussion on a book I published earlier this year.

 

 

The ENTIRE conversation was generated by AI.  I added the subtitles and progress bar with another AI tool.  Even the person holding the book is artificial a mockup in photoshop.

 

AI is scary because it will change things in ways that I can't image. Given how greedy some people are these changes may not bee good for us. At the same time, there are many examples of how positive and beneficial AI may be. When it comes to creating or updating software, AI technologies greatly improve the product. I've never worked with it yet, but that all is very interesting to me, and I try to keep msyelf updates. Yesterday I was looking for something related to it and came across this article here https://ddi-dev.com/blog/programming/how-to-create-artificial-intelligence-software/, which provided me so many new information about AI and how to create the software with its looks. It was so interesting to read, but the process is so complex. But I think that all the benefits are worth it.

 

Wow, I'm surprised by the video. The whole generated conversation sounds so real.
To be honest, I'm not scared of AI because it can be really beneficial. But I'm more scared for the future because who knows what will be created and how it will affect us.

[Troy]

22 hours ago, mellypops said:

I'm not scared of AI because it can be really beneficial. But I'm more scared for the future because who knows what will be created and how it will affect us.

My sentiments, exactly.

[ProfD]

Herein lies the beauty of getting old.  Before AI completely takes over, I'll be semi-retired and chilling; running my sports bar, playing piano and traveling.

 

I can only feel for the younger folks having enough skills to earn a living and no fear of being replaced by AI. 

 

Folks working from home (telework) has already shown employers they don't need to maintain physical spaces i.e. leased buildings. 

 

Computer-based work can be done from anywhere.  Complete automation (AI) is the next step in phasing humans out of the workforce.

 

The future *job market* as we know it will be radically different.  It will be interesting to see how people work and make money.

[Troy]

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

It will be interesting to see how people work and make money.

Don’t think of it that way; it will be a complete paradigm shift. Our increased productivity will allow our government to provide everyone with solid minimum income, just for being citizens.

 

 

[ProfD]

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Don’t think of it that way; it will be a complete paradigm shift. Our increased productivity will allow our government to provide everyone with solid minimum income, just for being citizens.

I do believe the country will have to come up with a Universal Basic Income (UBI) for citizens to sustain themselves.

 

The UBI is an easier lift in homogeneous places like Scandinavia. They've had  something similar along with universal healthcare for a long time now.

 

The UBI will be interesting here in the US given the current state of division and system of racism white supremacy.

 

At best, UBI here would be expanded welfare i.e. monthly stimulus checks. Hopefully, the amounts and distribution will be fair.

 

Thankfully, whatever UBI entails I won't need it. But, I won't turn away folks who want to spend their money in my sports bar.

[Pioneer1]

On 10/17/2024 at 11:59 AM, ProfD said:

Herein lies the beauty of getting old.  Before AI completely takes over, I'll be semi-retired and chilling; running my sports bar, playing piano and traveling.

 

Unless World War 3 breaks out first....lol

[Delano]

https://techxplore.com/news/2024-11-output-generative-ai-doesnt-coherent.html

AI may not live up to its hype.

On 10/7/2024 at 10:02 AM, Mel Hopkins said:

Now, when AI is at the apex of performing intellectual tasks and has become cognitive, it responds to requests with an original concept not found in uploaded documents or on the Internet -then whoa

That's a chasm that it can't cross. Since most of our thinking is at the subconscious and unconscious level.

[Troy]

@Delano the article discussed the current state of AL.  What  the future holds, we do not know, but it may be very different than what is currently possible. 

[ProfD]

 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

What  the future holds, we do not know, but it may be very different than what is currently possible. 

I still believe whenever AI fully *matures* it won't make too much of  difference in the lives of Gen-Xers and older folks.  Most of us will be retired or expired.

 

For example, how tech savvy do folks have to be in the generation of our current POTUS and POTUS elect.

 

The most those old cats are  doing with  computer technology  is sending emails and text messages.

 

POTUS PJB is getting ready to bump back down to a flip phone as soon as he lands back in Delaware. He'll be propped up behind a desk with a fake red phone. He'll be yelling at spam callers.

 

Otherwise, every iteration of AI will give younger folks an opportunity to make life easier for themselves. Better remains to be seen.

[Delano]

@Troy this underscores the oint I was making earlier. AI or RI would have an almost impossible task of creating the system that I use. It can't learn to do something without any information. I have interacted with literally scores of Astrologers most don't understand what I do much less be able to replicate my techniques. 

 

There are about 20 house systems in Astrology over the last 2000 years. I know a guy that created one. His math is good he also worked on satellites. He is a genius level Astrologer. He doesn't understand what am I doing but he thinks it's interesting 

@ProfD you made two comments that I feel really sum up my feelings about AI. It will make life easier but that doesn't mean better. 

 

You could get AI to compose music for you. The enjoyment is wrestling with the concept and then creating the product.

 

 

What AI is successful at is turning creativity into a commodity.

[ProfD]

 

49 minutes ago, Delano said:

@ProfD you made two comments that I feel really sum up my feelings about AI. It will make life easier but that doesn't mean better. 

 

You could get AI to compose music for you. The enjoyment is wrestling with the concept and then creating the product.

 

 

What AI is successful at is turning creativity into a commodity.

Exactly.

 

Unfortunately, the world will become increasingly comfortable with the homogenization of everything including ideas. 

 

Creativity and originality i.e. flavor will be replaced with the generic and disposable which of course has little or no value.

[Delano]

There will still be some that don't want Kmart 

[ProfD]

56 minutes ago, Delano said:

There will still be some that don't want Kmart 

That's true. There will always be a few who want something different.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

it won't make too much of  difference in the lives of Gen-Xers and older folks. 

Perhaps from the perspective of being a user. However, the impact cannot be understated and much the same way social media helped give rise to the presidential candidate Donald Trump— you don’t have to be a user to the have been affected.

 

6 hours ago, Delano said:

AI or RI would have an almost impossible task of creating the system that I use.

Again, I think you are underestimating it. Perhaps it will come up with something completely novel and superior to what you’ve created.
 

And an ideal world AI would allow us to become even more creative and increase productivity by orders of magnitude. But the ideal world seems unlikely given the collective greed of those that own, the technology.

[ProfD]

46 minutes ago, Troy said:

Perhaps from the perspective of being a user. However, the impact cannot be understated and much the same way social media helped give rise to the presidential candidate Donald Trump— you don’t have to be a user to the have been affected.

Sure. Technology is highly beneficial both directly and indirectly. 

 

POTUS OJ definitely benefitted from social media. He also did 900 rallies en route to getting back into the White House.

46 minutes ago, Troy said:

And an ideal world AI would allow us to become even more creative...

Creative people are born that way.  Technology allows then to express their creativity in different ways. 

 

A  creative musician can compose a hit song using their instrument. They don't need a studio full of equipment. 

 

OTOH, there are people with a room full of the latest technology who cannot compose anything.

 

dple.  a regular pianophotographer can take beautiful pictures with a

46 minutes ago, Troy said:

...and increase productivity by orders of magnitude.

Technology can increase productivity. It doesn't make people creative. Just facilities it.

46 minutes ago, Troy said:

But the ideal world seems unlikely given the collective greed of those that own, the technology.

In a capitalistic environment, those who exploit technology and sell it  will reap the riches.

[Troy]

31 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Creative people are born that way. 

I disagree. I think creativity is part of the human condition. We are all born with it. Sure there are degrees to individual levels of creativity. Different forms of creativity at different vary in value over time, but again we are all creative creatures— it is why we are not  swinging from trees like our cousins.

 

AI is already creative and this seemingly will only get better over time.

[Delano]

8 hours ago, Troy said:

Again, I think you are underestimating it. Perhaps it will come up with something completely novel and superior to what you’ve created.

Troy I create charts from words, that answer the queries of the Querent. And I have a way to qualify moments in time. So I find it hard to believe that AI can create something that other Astrologers don't understand. 

 

There are few components to my system none of which exist anywhere except my mind.

 

 

[Troy]

2 hours ago, Delano said:

So I find it hard to believe that AI can create something that other Astrologers don't understand. 

I know it is hard to wrap one’s mind around this.

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Delano said:

There are few components to my system none of which exist anywhere except my mind.

@Troy, until brotha Del feeds  information into an algorithm, AI cannot do anything with it.

 

 

[Delano]

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Troy, until brotha Del feeds  information into an algorithm, AI cannot do anything with it.

 

Exactly. My entire system was created from intuition and developed with what felt right. 

[Delano]

Whatever a person creates is a function of their experiences and internal world. I have met one person who tried to create an esoteric language, he was unsuccessful. I did meet one person who has created an esoteric language. However he doesn't do prediction. So in 25 years I have only met two people that have attempted part of what I do. I feel there may be about five people in the world that can do something similar.

[Troy]

@Delano there may be no one else who has developed a system like yours.  But that does not discount AI”s ability or potential to do something similar or even far superior

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

@Troy, until brotha Del feeds  information into an algorithm, AI cannot do anything with it

not exactly AI can develop novel strategies based upon things that it has been trained on. I think you guys are looking at it the wrong way:
 

@Delano for example, has come up with a novel way of making predictions.

He makes it sound as if he pulled this completely out of thin air without any input whatsoever. Delano is discounting that he comes with biology (DNA),  experience, learned knowledge, environmental factors, and all of these things informs — indeed makes possible — all of the ideas he generates. AI is similar.

 

One interesting example was an AI learned the game Alpha Go without explicit instruction, on its own, through trial and error. It beat the best player in the world with a move that experts initially thought was a mistake. However, the move turned out to be a stroke a genius that the best players in the world could not see. no human could’ve programmed that move because no human being was capable of making that move. That was like 10 years ago.

 

[ProfD]

 

2 hours ago, Troy said:

...not exactly AI can develop novel strategies based upon things that it has been trained on. I think you guys are looking at it the wrong way:

 

I'm not taking anything away from AI. I don't think it can do what Del does without being trained.

[Delano]

6 hours ago, Troy said:

Delano for example, has come up with a novel way of making predictions.

He makes it sound as if he pulled this completely out of thin air without any input whatsoever. Delano is discounting that he comes with biology (DNA),  experience, learned knowledge, environmental factors, and all of these things informs — indeed makes possible — all of the ideas he generates

 

18 hours ago, Delano said:

Whatever a person creates is a function of their experiences and internal world.

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

One interesting example was an AI learned the game Alpha Go without explicit instruction

Which implies there was some instruction or there is a frame. 

 

AI would say it is superstition or pseudoscience to predict the future. 

 

Not an apt comparison. I have created a language that reads the subconscious mind, describes moments in time, and can be used to create Astrological charts. You can't find any of those three things online. 

 

There's no input even if a person watched me they still would have no idea of how to copy what I do. The formulae I use are in my head, and my interpretation of symbols is by feel. Again not something that can be replicated. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

not exactly AI can develop novel strategies based upon things that it has been trained

What is it going to use for training?

[Troy]

@Delano what did you use for your training?

[Delano]

Books about Astrology Tarot Numerology, Clocks, Time, Hebrew and Greek Alphabet,and Numbers. Also more than 5,000 readings. The glue was intuition.

 

The first big leap was reading numbers. The second big leap was creating a language that had over 900 characters. The final step was creating a language with over 20,000 characters that both mapped the unconscious mind and described Time.

 

I also had an intermediate language of over 2000 characters.

 

When I was creating the first language I was talking with an author. Who wrote a book on the magical side of the English Greek Hebrew and Sanskrit languages. He also had chapters on the Tarot, I Ching Astrology and correspondence tables. I told him I was looking for a correspondence table for numbers. He said it didn't exist I had to create it. I thought no , that's like writing a book. He was kind of right but I didn't create one but three.

 

So I had to create a path that didn't exist. Based on the amount of research I did and the intuitive leaps I don't this is a replicable process for AI or people for that matter. There are some other steps which in hindsight don't make much sense but they worked. A few time I have used the wrong chart yet it worked. In fact yesterday I used the wrong chart with a long time client. Yet I was able to pinpoint a specific type of communication within a week.

The other thing is that my only goal was to be able to time predictions.

 

The last language I spent 20 hours just transcribing a tenth of it. Which took me a few months

It ended up being upwards 100 pages