richardmurray Posted November 6 Report Posted November 6 Circa 1865 white men allowed black men to have the vote, and white women campaigned very hard against that and it was undone, while black women supported black men's right to vote. The fissure in the female populace in the usa has existed ever since and every female candidate for president, from Shirley Chisholm through Hillary Clinton to Kamala Harris has experienced the fracture in the female vote. Women may need their own party of governance to become president. Barrack Obama was the first Black President and the last Presidential nominee who could use the ceiling breaking energy to win the white house. Ever since him, every ceiling breaking presidential nominee has lost, which means the people who were willing to vote to show the USA can vote for a president not a white male, want more quality and in absent of that quality will vote for a white male as a status quo. The black populace in the usa needs pro black policy to be invigorated and I don't see that coming from the donkeys or the elephants. The big tent strategy of the donkeys, the democratic party of the usa has one great weakness, you can't say you support everyone and then make policy to help everyone cause it isn't realistic. If you support the real estate industry you can't support the homeless equally. if you support law enforcement then you can't support the imprisoned equally. And when people realize that you are promising everybody, they realize you will do for none and this is clearly evident in the results in the senate or house. You want to be tough on immigration while you also want to help all the immigrants, which is it? And no, you can't do both. You can't help the israelis plus the palestinians. It may be sad to say, but to truly help one means the detriment of the other. The USA is a collection of 50 states, not one state, and the makeup of california or ny is extremely different than the makeup of mississippi or arkansas. The presidential election system is designed to let the variances of the fifty states hold value. And while the two donkey coast are equal rights/ multi phenotypical/seemingly want to maintain most of the global order of the 1900s with the usa western european alliance... the donkey middle wants inequalities, not slavery, but inequalities/wants a stop to the growth of mixed towns or cities/ want changes in the global order with a more isolationist usa partnered with fewer countries , some satraps like israel which is beholden to the usa but also some old enemies like russia and a disengagement to china. The usa isn't one, everyone knows it, but those in the red areas exhibit this truth while those in the blue areas try to deny it. Moreover, every single demographic in the usa has more internal multivision that advertised. Not all Blacks are about a black agenda. Not all whites are about a White agenda. Not all immigrants are about an immigrant agenda. The problem is the individuality in the usa has created populaces of people that may be linked on phenotype or religion or gender or language or philosophy but they are all, even the white jews, are loose in their association to each other. People don't admit how many jews in nyc marched for palestineans against israel, that isn't all jews as one block but fissures, like all populaces in the usa. The old war hawks and fiscal conservatives of the statian elephants plus the socialistic independent liberals of the statian donkeys both lost, neither is in control of their party as they want but neither can exist attached to one of the two parties. Social media has a lot of value, when you talk of someone in media all the time you are giivng free press and that free press transcends their message. The donkeys made Schrumpf a constant media point and in doing so kept him alive when they could had did as was to nixon and let him off into a sunset, but by wanting to make an example of him as the anti rainbow integrationists, they made it where he was able to succeed over rivals in the statian elephants and over the dysfunctional strategies of the statian donkeys. Running mates matter and the statian donkeys have chosen three lame vice presidents, obama chose biden over clinton, biden chose kamala over stacy abrams or clinton and Kamala chose walz over stacey abrams or clinton....choosing a rival as a running mate can show the strength of one's character. Choosing lackeys or impotents can be problematic. Some winners or losers Hillary Clinton is a winner, she is no longer the last female candidate to lose a presidential bid. Men who are thinking of killing themselves, are winners, if Schrumpf can have immigrant women with red hair or red lips, roger clark with ny1 can verify, call him a real man. So, any man can achieve with women, give it time, if a man who wears a cap, says disrespectful things to all can get women to shake their breast for him well... Enemies of Schrumpf in New York city, in all levels, which thus includes me, are losers, he has won again, I never liked him as a real estate man, long before he got into reality tv or governance. Melania Trump is a loser she has to go back to the white house and the media zoo/fiasco she can't stand All the people who were certain the youth of the usa were on one page, toward a culture of multiphenotypical equality through individual acceptance or opportunity, are losers. The youth in the usa clearly are in camps. I have spoken on a Black Party of governance https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2776&type=status 1
ProfD Posted November 6 Report Posted November 6 Folks interested in POTUS elections need to look no further than this map to see how the United States breaks down when it comes to red (conservative) and blue (liberal). The map shows us everything we need to know about America when it comes to is politics. The reality remains that our red and blue political parties are two sides of the same coin when it comes to maintaining the system.
richardmurray Posted November 7 Author Report Posted November 7 well for two years, the party of abraham lincoln will have all three branches of the federal government, what will they do? as for the party of andrew jackson , what will they do now that the usa populace is clearly of two parts. @ProfD yes, the usa military industrial complex. armed forces/three letter peoples, is powerful or influential and guides all groups in the usa a certain way. But it is clear the usa is in two parts.
ProfD Posted November 7 Report Posted November 7 12 hours ago, richardmurray said: well for two years, the party of abraham lincoln will have all three branches of the federal government, what will they do? They will cater to white nationalism and enrich the wealthy. 12 hours ago, richardmurray said: as for the party of andrew jackson , what will they do now that the usa populace is clearly of two parts. The Democrats may be done especially if they do not retool to become stronger and field better candidates
richardmurray Posted November 8 Author Report Posted November 8 @ProfD interesting, you say the party of abraham lincolm will support some white nationalist agenda and enrich the financially wealthy, i assume whomever they are, including the non white ? but a lot has to be done... based on your prediction, the party of andrew jackson will win the next election in four years by inactivity of ths second schrumpf term, cause in all earnest alot has to be done, internationally alone is very busy , it isn't just, sit and wait. As for the party of andrew jackson, well, they can't be even more big tent than they are, but i still hold a position that the big tent is the problem. The centrist in said party can't find legislation that truly helps , and in all earnest, the reason they can't is the simple truth, you can't help all. the myth is , some set of laws can help the 1% and the bottom of the 99%, the woman looking for work while pregnant and the man who wants to not pay for children he had with a stranger, it is too much. No matter the policy, someone has to lose, that is the history of law, no law in human history helps everybody. And as long as the donkeys want to be the party of all they will never find a strong candidate. In parallel, the key to schrumpf is that he knows he has detractors, for many reasons, but he comprehends that if you focus on a base and accept the others as outsiders then you can be more effective in your messaging. But, trying to get the vote of the neo nazis and the black panthers and the mit grad and the women on welfare, and the women born into wealth and the rich old white men and the black men in prison and the immigrants and the children of immigrants against immigration and the religious conservatives, and the athetist and the people who despise those who have broken crimes and the prople who want some crimes to become legal and ... is just too much. No , not impossible, but the leader that can do that is once every thousand years. The luck will have to be very high for such a person to come through. A black guy in the following video made an interesting point https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2780&type=status @umbrarchist Two things, 1) she says she is tired of telling people things, so will she end her youtube video blog? She seems to have announced some sort of statian ragnarok 2) so the one thing she doesn't do is speak about the future positively. Based on her words, nothing new or untried can be done that may lead to anything. In conclusion The usa will not regret it, but the usa will change. as all governments do, i think people in the usa forget the usa is very different from the one started by nejamin franklin and co.
umbrarchist Posted November 8 Report Posted November 8 1 hour ago, richardmurray said: Two things, 1) she says she is tired of telling people things, so will she end her youtube video blog? She seems to have announced some sort of statian ragnarok 2) so the one thing she doesn't do is speak about the future positively. Based on her words, nothing new or untried can be done that may lead to anything. I certainly understand being tired of telling people things. The American Dream is a neurotic delusion for stupid White people. On another site I am trying to talk about economics and accounting and I get come backs about "racism". Black Americans are too fixated on White people! It is technology that gave White people military and economic power not their Whiteness. But I look at her and the first thing I see is The HAIR. . 113vus 1
ProfD Posted November 8 Report Posted November 8 5 hours ago, richardmurray said: ...based on your prediction, the party of andrew jackson will win the next election in four years... I don't predict the Democrats will win the next election. They have a lot of work to becoming a stronger party.
Chevdove Posted November 8 Report Posted November 8 On 11/6/2024 at 9:06 AM, richardmurray said: Ever since him, every ceiling breaking presidential nominee has lost, which means the people who were willing to vote to show the USA can vote for a president not a white male, want more quality and in absent of that quality will vote for a white male as a status quo. There was a time, although a long time ago, that Black men were in power. Wonder why that has changed!? This question needs to be addressed if Black people should ever want Black men to lead, IMO. On 11/6/2024 at 9:06 AM, richardmurray said: The big tent strategy of the donkeys, the democratic party of the usa has one great weakness, you can't say you support everyone and then make policy to help everyone cause it isn't realistic. If you support the real estate industry you can't support the homeless equally. if you support law enforcement then you can't support the imprisoned equally. And when people realize that you are promising everybody, they realize you will do for none and this is clearly evident in the results in the senate or house. You want to be tough on immigration while you also want to help all the immigrants, which is it? And no, you can't do both. You can't help the israelis plus the palestinians. It may be sad to say, but to truly help one means the detriment of the other. Well said! But isn't that what Democracy has always been about? Chattel slavery continued since the Separation of Church and State back on July 4, 1776. Democracy has never been about equality for everyone so, for those who benefit I can understand why they would want to bully the disadvantage into voting to support their status. But at least some White people remember the poor classes and will direct some false promises towards them at election time, but the Bougie class/the Black Church group--what a joke. Those n3gglets still expect the poor to put their pennies into the offering plate and vote for a false 'collective agenda'. I remember a few years back when I was facing homelessness and I contacted a Black Church I had been attending for help in writing a letter of reference that was required for approval to get some rental assistance from a White Church organization. Well, I had to wait for two weeks for them to get my phone call and respond because the pastor and his wife did not get the message because they had bought a new home and wer e busy moving. So, I believe that if if had not been for the Protestant Movement, then Black people would be in so much trouble due to so much Black disrespect. On 11/6/2024 at 9:06 AM, richardmurray said: The USA is a collection of 50 states, not one state, ... The usa isn't one, everyone knows it, but those in the red areas exhibit this truth while those in the blue areas try to deny it. For real!!! It is a City-State government under the bigger umbrella. I wonder too, if the idea of unity was meant to be an illusion from the start. On 11/6/2024 at 9:06 AM, richardmurray said: Men who are thinking of killing themselves, are winners, if Schrumpf can have immigrant women with red hair or red lips, roger clark with ny1 can verify, call him a real man. So, any man can achieve with women, give it time, if a man who wears a cap, says disrespectful things to all can get women to shake their breast for him well... Enemies of Schrumpf in New York city, in all levels, which thus includes me, are losers, he has won again, I never liked him as a real estate man, long before he got into reality tv or governance. LOL! Well, who wants a coward or a puppet for a leader? And I don't like being associated with Animal Farm. If someone has balls, then their negativity might be ignored. Most people, not just women, may want someone who has guts. You might have a better chance appealing for help from someone who is not a follower. For me, I'd rather not have a regime of a HItler-like system be set up though, and this is scary but when both options are just as bad, then, there must be another option. Trump is scary and I think that Project 2025 is going to be dangerous. However, when I think about some of the issues that I went through under Obama, I still do not have any regrets on my stance then. I remember the hardship that I went through desperately trying to be approved for Obamacare. It was horrible trying to avoid the cost of having to pay thousands of dollars if I did not sign up. If I did not earn a certain income level by a deadline, I was always mindful that I would owe a huge penalty every month and my tax refund would be taken from years until I paid the government back. But thankfully, when Trump got in office, he immediately wiped that out and so, anyone who could not make a level of income were now automatically able to get health insurance! WHEW! I can't imagine what other Black Americans went through for those eight years of Obamacare. It was complete hell for me. If one of my sons did not spring for me and buy me an expensive Blue/Cross Blue Shield insurance for which he had to pay a huge monthly fee, I would still be owing the government thousands of dollars! Black Americans are so selfish and I do not understand why they thought Obama was a positive president. Now, because of him, many non-White people believe that 'we' got our reparations and should now shut up about it! smh. This post is awesome. What a great assessment!
richardmurray Posted November 8 Author Report Posted November 8 @umbrarchist My suggestion is stop talking to people who resist or oppose you. On that website, some people must like what you are saying or at least are willing to listen. Focus on them and tell them your financial plan. If you don't have a financial plan, get one. Booker t washington made tuskegee by focusing his efforts. Yes, he spoke to al black people about nonviolent financial aspirations. But most of his efforts were focused. So, the usa has over thirty million black people, one percent is three hundred thousand. Getting three hundred thousand black people to be financially coordinated is way more than the populace of tulsa. You can do it. Stop wasting your energy talking to black people who are not willing to focus on financial betterment. But give those who are willing a plan , a goal that is functional. and yes, her hair being red is... very modern commercial @ProfD You said the party of andrew jackson need to field better candidates. Ok, how will that work? how will they do it? how should they do it? @Chevdove I am a black man. I don't feel lessened if a black woman leads and i choose to follow her. The specificity of the black person leading isn't the issue, female/male/old/young/chrsitian/atheist//latino/anglo their quality in leading is. Kamala like Obama are not good at leading. The black populace in the usa from the time of the thirteen colonies has never been philosophically one. Remember, black people fougt on the side f the british against the creation of the usa, most free blacks actually, while a minority of free blacks fought on the side of the usa, even absent a guarantee of freddom if the usa wins. So, embrace that the black populace of the usa has always had tribes and focus on which tribe you belong to . Only you can know that. if you do or once you find out, join them and do things. Human unity isn't an illusion it has always occurred in human history. The problem is human unity isn't default or automatic. This is why you need to know what your tribe is in the village? yes your black, but what group are you apart of in the black populace in the usa? are you financially wealthy? financially wealthy blacks exist. Are you a communist? black community exist. Are you a fiscal capitalist, like Umbrarchist?If you ar ejoin her and start a financial plan that other black people can join for a specific agenda. Are you a member of the party of lincoln? are you a member of the party of andrew jackson? The affordable care act was nancy pelosi's , Obama had promised if the democrats in the congress get a bill to him he would sign it, but Obama was opposed to the bill for the reasons that time proved correct. But he didn't want to back out on his promise. He mistake was signing the law, but it wasn't his. It was nancy pelosi. Thank you, I an an engineer at heart and engineering is all about fixing problems, not complaining about faults. A machine doesn't work . Ok, complaining about it doesn't fix it, fixing it, changing it, to get it to work is how it changes. So many black people offline or online I know of,from various ways:) . I always say the same thing, what you need to do for where you are headed. I may not be headed the same way but I can help you see the way your headed.
ProfD Posted November 9 Report Posted November 9 13 hours ago, richardmurray said: @ProfD You said the party of andrew jackson need to field better candidates. Ok, how will that work? how will they do it? how should they do it? The same way they found and groomed POTUS Obama back in 2004. By 2008, his charisma and oratory had America eating out of his hands. 13 hours ago, richardmurray said: Kamala like Obama are not good at leading. VP Harris doesn't have the aforementioned qualities as former POTUS Obama. As mentioned, VP Harris is a woman. White America isn't ready for a female POTUS. Right now, I believe California Governor Gavin Newsom will be the Democratic nominee in 2028. If Gov. Newsom isn't interested for one reason or another, current Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro might be courted. These dudes are currently on the Democrats candidate wire. Between now and 2.5 years from now, another shining star could show up in the party. Spoiler alert...it won't be Governor Tim Walz.
richardmurray Posted November 9 Author Report Posted November 9 @ProfD I must first say what i am about to say isn't trying to regale you or refute, merely to state what i experienced on the ground wasn't as you say. I tend to speak of history alot but I actually was alive + adult for Obama's time, I recall how harlem felt, a harlem that was still majority black with no question, with all sorts of black people in it, from christian to communist to wealthy to poor to laborers. And throughout the entire black populace of harlem , i never heard one black person , even with an obama shirt on, suggest he was a great leader, or his speeches gave a thunderblt to the soul . What i heard from black people on the ground is this is the chance to bring a black person into the white house, a black person white people seem to trust. And at the end of the day, it will not mean a damn thing for the black populace. I really think black people loved the idea of a black person in the white house, regardless of his quality. And the financial and cultural situation after bush jr didn't hurt obama, all that helped. BUT, as i said then, i felt obama needed to be a better policy maker than he turned out to be. And to that Kamala+ Obama are both poor policy makers. Obama himself admitted on a pbs program that he was wrong for too big too fail, and in another pbs show it was admitted that he didn't support the affordable care act but only signed it because of his promise to sign whatever the donkey led congress put forth. My point is, Obama as a president/senator for illinois or in the illinois senate was a poor policy maker. The truth is obama's first campaign he lost, trying to court the black populace. So he has never successfully been able to court the black populace, he has only been able to court a phenotypically mixed populace. And kamala is no different, as the attorney general of california or the vice president she was poor at policy. California is the wealthiest state in the union and has the most people as attorney general she could had did so much in california and did nothing but obama did nothing in illinois either so... AND your correct, white statians are not willing to accept a woman as president , based on their voting patterns. @umbrarchist did you receive one of those text? i haven't. I will love ot know demographic statistics on the black people who received said texts.
ProfD Posted November 9 Report Posted November 9 24 minutes ago, richardmurray said: ...i never heard one black person , even with an obama shirt on, suggest he was a great leader, or his speeches gave a thunderblt to the soul . What i heard from black people on the ground is this is the chance to bring a black person into the white house, a black person white people seem to trust. And at the end of the day, it will not mean a damn thing for the black populace. I really think black people loved the idea of a black person in the white house, regardless of his quality. That's right. You've never seen me write that POTUS Obama was a great leader or policy-maker. I'm merely stating that POTUS Obama was the *perfect* candidate for the Democrats back in 2008 as evidenced by him winning the election twice. POTUS Obama fulfilled the purpose of symbolism/tokenism to both Black folks and white supremacists. White folks can scratch off the list electing a Black POTUS. It's in the history books. One and done. Back to white patriarchy running America.
richardmurray Posted November 10 Author Report Posted November 10 @ProfD 6 hours ago, ProfD said: I'm merely stating that POTUS Obama was the *perfect* candidate for the Democrats back in 2008 as evidenced by him winning the election twice. ah ok, I asked what the donkeys need to do and you said the donkeys need to field a better candidate, and so i asked you how they can/should do this, then you stated obama as an example but then you clearly state obama isn't a better candidate. How can the donkeys field a better candidate?
ProfD Posted November 10 Report Posted November 10 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: @ProfD ah ok, I asked what the donkeys need to do and you said the donkeys need to field a better candidate, and so i asked you how they can/should do this, then you stated obama as an example but then you clearly state obama isn't a better candidate. How can the donkeys field a better candidate? Clearly POTUS Obama was the best candidate. He won twice. The Democrats need to find someone who can sell their message.
Chevdove Posted November 11 Report Posted November 11 On 11/8/2024 at 6:23 PM, richardmurray said: The affordable care act was nancy pelosi's , Obama had promised if the democrats in the congress get a bill to him he would sign it, but Obama was opposed to the bill for the reasons that time proved correct. But he didn't want to back out on his promise. He mistake was signing the law, but it wasn't his. It was nancy pelosi. Really!? I did not know that! So he was against it!? But then signed it!? WOW! I think Minister Farrakhan is right! Nevertheless, I am sort of glad to know that at least, Obama was opposed to it! That Obamacare was completely awful! And, I clearly remember it was said that it would never change and be in place even after he was out of office. So, I was shocked and completely relieved when Trump ended it. Now, I want to know more about this. So she, Pelosi, slipped it under Obama. Interesting.
richardmurray Posted November 12 Author Report Posted November 12 On 11/9/2024 at 11:52 PM, ProfD said: Clearly POTUS Obama was the best candidate. He won twice. The Democrats need to find someone who can sell their message. @ProfD So whether it is like barack obama or bill clinton, the donkeys need someone who can sell their message... but don't the quality of policy once a person get in offcie have value? On 11/10/2024 at 9:44 PM, Chevdove said: Now, I want to know more about this. So she, Pelosi, slipped it under Obama. Interesting. @Chevdove Not slipped under, Obama promised whatever the donkeys in the congress put forward he would sign, let the congress lead legislatively. He didn't renege on his promise.
richardmurray Posted November 12 Author Report Posted November 12 On 11/10/2024 at 9:44 PM, Chevdove said: So, I was shocked and completely relieved when Trump ended it. @Chevdove the affordable care act wasn't ended it was adjusted in the same way the civil rights act of 1963 the immigration act of 1964 the voting rights of act of 1965 have been adjusted over time. Only amendments are solid and rigid in the constitution but the amendment process is usually disliked by all sides in government for it requires circumstance or quality that is not common, so make acts and they are adjusted over time
umbrarchist Posted November 13 Report Posted November 13 President-elect Donald Trump stunned the Pentagon and the broader defense world by nominating Fox News host Pete Hegseth to serve as his defense secretary, tapping someone largely inexperienced and untested on the global stage to take over the world’s largest and most powerful military. If Putin cannot beat a comedian in more than two years he will be terrified by a Fox News host. ROFLMBAO . 1
Chevdove Posted November 13 Report Posted November 13 On 11/12/2024 at 3:37 AM, richardmurray said: Not slipped under, Obama promised whatever the donkeys in the congress put forward he would sign, let the congress lead legislatively. He didn't renege on his promise. That is depressing. So even though he did not agree, he signed it anyway because he promised. He sold Black Americans out. 17 hours ago, richardmurray said: the affordable care act wasn't ended it was adjusted in the same way the civil rights act of 1963 the immigration act of 1964 the voting rights of act of 1965 have been over time. Only amendments are solid and rigid in the constitution but the amendment process is usually disliked by all sides in government for it requires circumstance or quality that is not common, so make acts and they are adjusted over time Interesting! But at any rate, as soon as Trump was in office, the law or guideline or amendment, whatever the phrase I don't know, but it changed dramatically. And therefore, instead of having to make a set income in order to qualify for Obamacare/Affordable Healthcare, it completely changed. After Trump, it did not matter how much income you made. If you did not make the required income or even if you were unemployed, you qualified for healthcare. Under Obama/Pelosi care, if you did not work or lost you job and income, then you were fined something like $1400,00 every month until you signed up for a healthcare program. If you did not make the required income, something like $1600.00 monthly, then you did not qualify for Obama/Pelosi care and had to sign up for a very expensive option. If you did not pay the fine then when income tax season came, that penalty fee came up and your refund was seized and for years until that fee was satisfied. LOL. Obama/Pelosi care was not good for Black and poor people. I guess if it had not been for poor White people, Trump may have ignored it and let it stay as it had been. Idk. Although a lot of bougie Negroes probably don't know what Obama/Pelosi or who ever, did to poor Negroes, they may find out later now that Trump is in office. LOL. I think Trump's party is very dangerous. The Project 2025 is scary even though I read that Trump did not agree with it, now what? Now that he is in office, I guess we will find out and I believe that many Black people will be nervous as I am, but the Democrats Party who led were horrible to Black people. They were just awful. It would be great if another option would be put into place to help the marginalized but I don't think that will happen.
ProfD Posted November 13 Report Posted November 13 5 hours ago, umbrarchist said: President-elect Donald Trump stunned the Pentagon and the broader defense world by nominating Fox News host Pete Hegseth to serve as his defense secretary, tapping someone largely inexperienced and untested on the global stage to take over the world’s largest and most powerful military. If Putin cannot beat a comedian in more than two years he will be terrified by a Fox News host. POTUS OJ is going to turn the federal government into a reality show filled with clowns, circus acts, magicians, etc. Get your popcorn and cotton candy and soft drinks. Enjoy the show.
richardmurray Posted November 13 Author Report Posted November 13 @umbrarchist well in defense:) no pun intended, the secretary of defense isn't in charge of the usa military, the secretary of defense is the manager of the defense department , with the task to implement the agenda of whomever the president is. The president alone is in charge of the federal military. And the congress still has the only right to officially go to war in the usa. The various heads of the branches of the defense department speak to the secretary of defense on a day to day basis, the secretary speaks to the presiden, it is a chain of command thing. Now your 100% correct that Pete HEgseth has no experience in such a position and has spoken ill of modern commonalities of action by the usa military but in all earnst, this is expected, Scrumpft is viewed the same way as president so why wouldn't schrumpt place someone like him there. I comprehend those that believe in the usa becoming a meritocracy have been given a blow, as Scrumpf works by fealty or loyalty but he won the presidency so.... I don't know the state you live in umbrarchist but did that state vote for Schrumpt. New York State didn't? @Chevdove well, each person in government has their own ways. Schrumpf as i just told umbrarchist, likes to give positions on fealty or loyalty, not quality. He likes to be radica ala shake things up , his position on western europe is a pure example. But obama was different. He wanted to give people jobs based on quality or lack of opportunity while qualified, in his mind, he wanted to be a president of his word. That was his choice. And besides, the black voters for him never demanded anything, never. I remember asking black people who were staunch obama supporters, to gather the black voters and make one demand, one demand of him , they didn't , they voted on the idea of a black president. So , he never betrayed being a black president which is the only thing black voters for him asked. To be fair, qualification was always open to all in the affordable care act. the problem was people were forced to sign up i the beginning legally while the insurance companies tried to force the poor into terrible healthcare plans. so over time, people were no longer forced to sign up, and then over time more options in the marketplace arose. Remember the affordable care act set up a guidelline for hospitals + insurance firms. But at its heart , while many deemed it socialistic, it was and is , purely fiscal capitalism. Yes, the goal is healthcare for all, but it is a wild west. It is a marketplace so in the beginning, the marketplace was terrible. The idea is that over time the marketplace will improve and it has slowly, but that was always going to take time. Yes, your 100% correct in the beginning it was rough but that is really the insurance firms and hospitals, remember the insurance firms hated this law, because many people are either too financially poor or too sick to warrant insurance. So the insurance firms went into the market place with the market as it was before the affordable care act which was terrible for financially poor people. but, it has been sixteen years now, tweaks have been made, and the hospitals or insurance firms have adjusted to the market place, which was pelosi's idea in the first place. It wasn't meant to be great at the beginning but over time all will have insurance afforably. That iwas and is the idea. I can tell you from personal experience i know the havoc that law brought, I even spoke out against it initially for what it is worth. Schrumpf is most dangerous because he acts radically at times, and whether it is wall street or the process of every day laborers monday through friday radical behavior, shaking things up, tends to make losers , and you can't tell exactly who until after the radical action is done. This is why markets in the scrumpft first term had wobbles because the computers can predict obama/biden/harris they all have a certain consistency, they will act a certain way you can predict, but scrumpft likes to throw wrenches and that is what people fear. The bureaucracy of the usa is powerful, Scrumpft can't do whatever he wants, but in the places he has influence, especially in international affairs, ala immigration, ala alliances with russia/ western europe/china/israel / or other it will be unknow till he does. Tariffs is actually the congress but with the Elephant majority, some of Scrumpfs ideas can be pushed through. One of the radical things Scrumpf has done already is take people from the house and put them in his government. He has already shown a radical nature. Instead of coveting the elephants in the house he has ripped from their number to fill his ranks so he does things, for his benefit, fealty, loyalty, not for merit or quality or to preserve a cycle of management, some call order, but that isn't anything to fear. I said before in this forum and i repeat, the black populace in the usa needs to look at itself and realize it is a set of tribes in the village and each tribe needs to focus on its own agenda, throwing no hate to another tribe in the village. what is the black populace doing in the city where you live Chevdove? what are the goals? where are the organizations? forget about the entire black populace of the usa. What black organizations exist in the city where you live exclusively? @ProfD well, he is doing as he did before, if anything Biden's presidency proves the bureaucracy of the usa can handle this as when biden came in, the positions were back to being filled by those that some / the left/ or whomever think are qualified for positions in federal government. In my view, the key isn't if a person is qualified but what are they going to do. You can learn on the job. It is sad that so many black people, whose forebears had to hands on learn by necessity , seem to hate the idea today and have an infatuation with college educations and papers of matriculation, or perceived education. I go back to black elected officials... I get why they never hire black people cause so many black people who need to be in positions are not qualified, not deemed correct. Why can't a former prisoner be head of the police department in nyc? why can't a blues player be head of education in detroit or new orleans? Yes, maybe black ivy league graduates will have the papers to satisfy some for quality but maybe they aren't good at governing and you can't know till you try. It will be nice if black elected officials open up positions to the larger black populace, instead of the black 1%
ProfD Posted November 13 Report Posted November 13 41 minutes ago, richardmurray said: In my view, the key isn't if a person is qualified but what are they going to do. You can learn on the job. Absolutely. That's how humans develop, build and get things done. 41 minutes ago, richardmurray said: It is sad that so many black people, whose forebears had to hands on learn by necessity , seem to hate the idea today and have an infatuation with college educations and papers of matriculation, or perceived education. The US educational system is a farm responsible for handing out lottery tickets i.e. credentials (diplomas & degrees) to control the flow of people into jobs. Institutions of higher learning also serve as networking hubs for people to make personal and professional connections. 41 minutes ago, richardmurray said: I go back to black elected officials... I get why they never hire black people cause so many black people who need to be in positions are not qualified, not deemed correct. Those Black elected officials are following the script put in place by the dominant society. They're not thinking outside the box. Also, a combination of low self-esteem, jealousy, greed, envy, etc., leads some people in high positions to keep others away from opportunities for fear that they will be exposed as unqualified or incompetent. 41 minutes ago, richardmurray said: Why can't a former prisoner be head of the police department in nyc? why can't a blues player be head of education in detroit or new orleans? The system isn't designed go allow it. But, there is a workaround. There's nothing to prevent someone from establishing their own enterprise. Former prisoners have started security companies. Musicians have built schools or taught privately. 41 minutes ago, richardmurray said: Yes, maybe black ivy league graduates will have the papers to satisfy some for quality but maybe they aren't good at governing and you can't know till you try. A Black Ivy league graduate has a piece of paper that serves as a lottery ticket into a job or position within the system. 41 minutes ago, richardmurray said: It will be nice if black elected officials open up positions to the larger black populace, instead of the black 1% It will be even nicer when Black folks build their own institutions and economic infrastructures that do not require following credentials and practices of the dominant society.
richardmurray Posted November 13 Author Report Posted November 13 @ProfD 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Absolutely. That's how humans develop, build and get things done. 2 hours ago, ProfD said: The US educational system is a farm responsible for handing out lottery tickets i.e. credentials (diplomas & degrees) to control the flow of people into jobs. Institutions of higher learning also serve as networking hubs for people to make personal and professional connections. And don't get me wrong, nothing si wrong with having study and mock trials before a job, that isn't erroneous, people can grow that way and mae them better at doing a job. All I am saying is, it doesn't have to be that way and more importantly, to black folk, we were forced en mass to learn absent the ability to be in astudious or mock environment, many things, so I just call on black people or at least, Black DOSers to embrace our unique history in the usa. 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Those Black elected officials are following the script put in place by the dominant society. They're not thinking outside the box. Also, a combination of low self-esteem, jealousy, greed, envy, etc., leads some people in high positions to keep others away from opportunities for fear that they will be exposed as unqualified or incompetent. Well , the point is, in the history of black elected officials some black elected officials have thought outside the box, helped the black populace, yes, nt most black elected officials but not unprecedented so it is a matter of choice, absent the pills. 2 hours ago, ProfD said: The system isn't designed go allow it. But, there is a workaround. There's nothing to prevent someone from establishing their own enterprise. Former prisoners have started security companies. Musicians have built schools or taught privately. yes, private enterprise, The tragedy of private enterprise for Black DOSers is like the even more tragic First peoples in the usa, we don't have one of two things. 1) the ability to have centuries of illegal or criminals profits , like the white europeans, ala the italian americans/white jewish americans/irish americans who have only one source of their wealth and no, it isn't college or school, it is their mobs that at one time made untol profits that no black mob ever could in the usa. 2) an external country to do trafic in. Nigerians have nigeria/japanese have japan/chinese have china, brasilains have braisl, DOSers don't have a country to leverage. By rights it should be freetwon or monrovia, not sierra leone but freetown, the capitol of sierra leone, not liberia but monrovia, the capitol of liberia [I can explain why if you want in a follow up comment] but the short answer is, it isn't. so, DOSers don't have an external source, like all the peole descended from willing immigrants not white european. My point being, private enterprise isn't bad, you make an excellent point, shirley chisholm, one of those black elected officials ho was't on the take, who did for the village said private enterprise needs to be the way, but DOSers don't have an external country to leverage wealth and e were unable to make illegal fortunes in the past to leverage the community today so, it is harder. Not impossible, but just stating it is harder and intellegence or knowledge does not outweigh opportunity. 2 hours ago, ProfD said: A Black Ivy league graduate has a piece of paper that serves as a lottery ticket into a job or position within the system. 3 hours ago, richardmurray said: well, that doesn't mean a black ivy league graduate can not be good at a job, my point is, that is not the only way 2 hours ago, ProfD said: It will be even nicer when Black folks build their own institutions and economic infrastructures that do not require following credentials and practices of the dominant society. well since the end of the war between the states , many blacks tried in various ways, you kno this, it isn't like black people haven't tried Profd. Yes, itis unfortunat ewhite power has destroyed all attempts at the end of the day. But I wish black people will say try again, when it comes to making blakc institutions or infrastructures in the usa, we were not doing nothing, we simply faced an uphill battle as we are not the majority of the population, nor do we have financial advantage. But we have tried before Profd. Your words to me suggest we never tried.
ProfD Posted November 13 Report Posted November 13 12 minutes ago, richardmurray said: The tragedy of private enterprise for Black DOSers...we don't have one of two things. 1) the ability to have centuries of illegal or criminals profits... 2) an external country to do trafic in... ...but DOSers don't have an external country to leverage wealth and e were unable to make illegal fortunes in the past to leverage the community today so, it is harder. Not impossible, but just stating it is harder and intellegence or knowledge does not outweigh opportunity. ...many blacks tried in various ways, you kno this, it isn't like black people haven't tried Profd. Yes, itis unfortunat ewhite power has destroyed all attempts at the end of the day. But I wish black people will say try again, when it comes to making blakc institutions or infrastructures in the usa, we were not doing nothing, we simply faced an uphill battle as we are not the majority of the population, nor do we have financial advantage. Black people spend billions of dollars in gross consumerism. How do Black people get their money? Where do Black folks spend their money? The questions are rhetorical. We already know. Over several decades now, enough money has passed through the hands of Black folks to have invested in themselves i.e. institutions and economic infrastructure. Sure, it's easy to sit around grumbling and complaining about what another group of people won't allow us to do. But, it's another thing to take personal responsibility and accountability for not doing whatever it takes to help yourself and by extension tribe/community. This is where I place the blame on Black men. Clearly, we have not done enough to become powerful. We have not done whatever it takes to produce wealth. We have rich athletes and entertainers running around. They work for somebody else too. Black folks are not the majority owners of any sports leagues. Only a few Black folks own entertainment companies. Yet, Black folks generate billions of dollars for the owners of these industries. Now, imagine if Black folks took 10% of those gross earnings from entertainment and started productive Black-owned businesses, banks, hospitals, schools, etc. I know you get tired of reading when I type it but Jews are an excellent example of a once marginalized and persecuted group of people who turned their tragedy into triumph. Jews did receive reparations for the holocaust. They have been receiving billions of dollars annually for 3/4 of a century now. But, how do they spend their money? Same goes for Asians. They are showing up in Black communities and countries and leaving with a bag full of money. If Black folks stopped consuming from other groups of people, our wealth would increase exponentially. Black folks have generated a lot of money without a country of their own or enslaving and killing other folks or firing a single shot. Blacks folks need to stop being the ultimate consumers and start producing for themselves by any means necessary. 45 minutes ago, richardmurray said: well since the end of the war between the states , many blacks tried in various ways, you kno this, it isn't like black people haven't tried Profd. Yes, itis unfortunat ewhite power has destroyed all attempts at the end of the day. ...But we have tried before Profd. Your words to me suggest we never tried. I did not type that we have never tried. I know better than that. My point is that we should never stop trying.
richardmurray Posted November 14 Author Report Posted November 14 @ProfD 1 hour ago, ProfD said: I did not type that we have never tried. I know better than that. My point is that we should never stop trying. I concur ... so, ok, institutions and economic infrastructure.is what you say the Black populace in the usa needs. Well ok, Two types of black people exist in the usa. one type lives in a city/town not mostly black the other type lives in a city/town mostly black For black people who live in a city/town not mostly black, like NYC for example, can institutions be made, do any exist now? Can fiscal infrastructure be built up to be , i assume self reliant, what exists now? Well, in NYC, you have the schomburg, which is part of the city's library system, it isn't standalone, it gets endowments from wealthy black people. You have medgar evers college which is in the city college system, it gets aid from blacks who have money. The studio museum of harlem recently got one million dollars , it was in the local newspaper. But all of these institutions are concerned with learning or the arts. Can wealthy blacks finance such organizations, they are now but the black rich isn't as wealthy as the white rich and that isn't laziness or unfounded, that makes perfect sense. The Rockefellers made many museums have a center to their name, but when old man rockefeller starter, 99% of black people were unable through legal or illegal means from owning land. so... Well for financial infrastructure, well, Carver federal savings bank exist, we have small businesses throughout new york city. But, these are all small they don't have the means to lift the black populace in the city. Goldman Sachs- White jewish with connections to white jewish financial transactions from europe tha go to the time of the roman empire, Chase- the rockefellers/ Bank of America- which was started with white italian mob money, has a much larger scale. The one bank in the usa that was fined for fraud when the banks collapsed was an asian community bank in nyc, whose sole function was helping asian vendors in various chinatowns. so... being small banks wiil not leap you into the ability to lift your community. So NYC has a black populace, that populace has examples of what you want, but what is it exactly you want in infrastructure or institutions? And I realize black populaces in other cities may not have such things , ok. But, the black populace in NYC has a limit on what it can achieve because it doesn't have majority of the populace. Most of NYC is white, white meaning anglo saxon protestant/white jews/blancos or white latinos/ white women/ white asians- ala chinese-japanese-koren. yes south east asians tend to be kalo which means black but they are not a majority of the asian populace in the city in the same way, Negras or black latinos aren't a majority of latinos in nyc. So... you said institutions and economic infrastructure. Well, focusing on NYC , which represents black people in a city/town not mostly black, what do institutions or financial infrastructure need to do for you to be happy with the condition of black people in nyc? For black people who live in a city/town mostly black well, they have the one thing that is vital for institutions or financial infrastructure to be in any populaces favor, they have the majority where they live. Government matters. NYC is the proof. 99% of the populaces in NYC, including many white ones have suffered because they don't have the majority populace which means when laws are made, when policies are concocted, they can't dictate over all so they get hit, they get undermined. But for black people who live in mostly black towns/cities they have the potential/possibility to use government to protect their institutions/financial infrastructure. But you need a black agenda for that. And I am not suggesting a black agenda has to be anti non black or hating non black but the majority populace favoring itself... that is one of the weapons of voting that while it can hurt minorities is not a criminal act. But outside the need for a black legal agenda in the government to protect or aid black institutions or financial infrastructures long term, I think black investment in black towns/cities can work long term realistically. Remember Tulsa wasn't a black town or city. One thing as well....either blacks in a town or city mostly black or not mostly black need the effort of the modern black wealthy. Oprah winfrey had more money than the white man who bought the chicago wnba team, which now has four primary owners. I tis interesting how a number of wnba teams have multitudes of primary owners but oprah winfrey doesn't own one..... so what was her excuse exactly? Madam cj walker supported the black populace of harlem, that is the truth. so, winfrey who is supposed to love chicago couldn't do that? I have said it before in this group, how many black people with money paid for black people to go to a non hbcu. if every black person with money only paid for students to go to an hbcu , that would had changed their financial fortunes so... So at this point, i ask, what do institutions or fiscal infrastructures have to accomplish in black populaces, in mostly black towns/cities or in non mostly black towns/cities? Are they the same to you? And I end with , I do think specificity matters. I think the modern black populace in the usa, especially the DOS segment warrants details. They have the right to reject, try for trying sake.
ProfD Posted November 14 Report Posted November 14 4 hours ago, richardmurray said: But, the black populace in NYC has a limit on what it can achieve because it doesn't have majority of the populace. NYC is the birthplace of Hip-Hop culture. Black folks started it. Hip-Hop became a multi-billion dollar industry. No shortage of ancillary businesses grew out of it too. Imagine if black folks maintained ownership of Hip-Hop from its beginnings instead of letting non-Black folks own it. 4 hours ago, richardmurray said: Well, focusing on NYC , which represents black people in a city/town not mostly black, what do institutions or financial infrastructure need to do for you to be happy with the condition of black people in nyc? Maybe the black people in NYC should move to a city like Atlanta. 4 hours ago, richardmurray said: One thing as well....either blacks in a town or city mostly black or not mostly black need the effort of the modern black wealthy. The people in Green Bay Wisconsin own the football team. Cooperative. 4 hours ago, richardmurray said: Oprah winfrey had more money than the white man who bought the chicago wnba team...oprah winfrey doesn't own one..... so what was her excuse exactly? Maybe she's not interested enough in basketball to buy a team. Wealthy people buy things 1) of interest to them and/or 2) that make more money. 4 hours ago, richardmurray said: So at this point, i ask, what do institutions or fiscal infrastructures have to accomplish in black populaces, in mostly black towns/cities or in non mostly black towns/cities? Vertical integration. The system of moving money within one's own community several times over before it leaves. This is something that needs to be taught to young Black folks before they get herded into the mills of the system.
nels Posted November 14 Report Posted November 14 On 11/6/2024 at 6:06 AM, richardmurray said: Melania Trump is a loser Really? You can always pick up a case of Tylenol for the delusion you're going to be suffering from for at least the next four years. On 11/6/2024 at 7:27 AM, ProfD said: The map shows us everything we need to know about America when it comes to is politics. The map tells us absolutely nothing. On 11/8/2024 at 12:31 AM, umbrarchist said: The American Dream is a neurotic delusion for stupid White people. Sounds like something coming out of the mouth of a 100% black person.
richardmurray Posted November 14 Author Report Posted November 14 @ProfD 18 hours ago, ProfD said: Imagine if black folks maintained ownership of Hip-Hop from its beginnings instead of letting non-Black folks own it. When you say let non black folks own it, can you clarify? I am assuming, and I could be making na ass out of myself, you are suggesting black people in nyc should had bought all the tv stations/radio stations/newspapers/magazines/record labels/satellite networks in nyc that are 99% white owned so that hip hop's transmission would had profited black owned media concerns? 18 hours ago, ProfD said: Maybe the black people in NYC should move to a city like Atlanta. 23 hours ago, richardmurray said: Ahh so atlanta has the black institutions plus black financial infrastructure that satisfies you? Do you live in atlanta? the populace of atlanta the city is five hundred thousand the metropolitan area is six million. NYC is eight million and the metropolitan area is twenty million. The black populace in nyc is circa one million seven hundred thousand in the metropolitan area circa four million so I doubt the black populace of NYC the city ro metropolitan area moving into atlanta would be good for atlanta. Every single new mouth anywhere in the world needs: food, water, shelter, and the modern demands of ehalthcare/employment... can atlanta provide near two million people food water shelter? Can the black institutions or black financial infrastructures in Atlanta handle two million new black people? That is very impressive if it can 19 hours ago, ProfD said: The people in Green Bay Wisconsin own the football team. Cooperative. True, the new NFL rules of ownership don't allow that anymore, they grandfathered green bay in. When green bay did that... that was a long time ago:) before the modern sport owning landscape. 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Maybe she's not interested enough in basketball to buy a team. Wealthy people buy things 1) of interest to them and/or 2) that make more money. You pose the question unstraightly, once a black person in the usa gains a certain level of financial wealth are they exempt from growing black institutions or black financial infrastructures ? In my mind sports teams and their stadiums/training grounds/media networks are pretty strong financial infrastructure elements and each team can be an institution. 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Vertical integration. The system of moving money within one's own community several times over before it leaves. What level of vertical integration will satisfy you? How many times specifically? Again, black people did this with Tulsa , a white city. In NYC, I know quite a few black owned businesses,not just eateries, but... the drug money of blanocs or mestizoes which connects to outside the usa which black DOSers don't have or the oil money of the white or mulatto arabs which again Black DOSers don't have aided them in financing small businesses. I know of black owned shops, not just eateries, but it will be expensive to start more absent black wealth helping. And black people don't own chase bank to get loans. I may seem a pest, but i am trying to see how to get to where you seem to want. Vertical integration, ok great, but can't get there without money. And many black people in nyc are flat broke, no money at all, yeah, foodstamps, yeah EBT, but are you suggesting people need to gamble on small businesses with their food money?:) Puff Daddy and others have huge homes in the hamptons... just saying, maybe they could help. In your atlanta , is the vertical integration satisfactory? I hope so. If so then move to atlanta and help atlanta grow but it will be hard for other black populaces in non white cities to get where you suggest the black populace in atlanta is in terms of black owned insttutions or financial infrastructures.
nels Posted November 14 Report Posted November 14 19 hours ago, ProfD said: Maybe the black people in NYC should move to a city like Atlanta. Definitely not. Even the black people in Atlanta are telling them (i.e., other black people) to move somewhere else and stay out of Atlanta. So much for that position .
richardmurray Posted November 14 Author Report Posted November 14 @nels 4 minutes ago, nels said: Really? You can always pick up a case of Tylenol for the delusion you're going to be suffering from for at least the next four years. On 11/6/2024 at 10:27 AM, ProfD said: Well I gave context to my words, i wish you would had quoted more of what i said. I explained hwy Melania is a loser with the following quote. She herself said she didn't care for the white house life, so going back to the white house makes her a loser. My question is why didn't you take the whole quote ? Is it better to piecemeal quotations ? On 11/6/2024 at 9:06 AM, richardmurray said: Melania Trump is a loser she has to go back to the white house and the media zoo/fiasco she can't stand You said 6 minutes ago, nels said: The map tells us absolutely nothing. On 11/8/2024 at 3:31 AM, umbrarchist said: So can you say more to your position. Are you suggesting the people in california are no different than the people in akansas? The people in wyoming and west virginia voted for schrumpf the most, the people in vermont or massachusetts voted for harris the most.. .are you saying those two pairs of states are really the same? 11 minutes ago, nels said: Sounds like something coming out of the mouth of a 100% black person. In the last few weeks i have heard blacks + non blacks , and not just a few, say the same thing Umbrarchist said, on local media. I don't know where you live, but, your accusation to her words is flawed for me, because I have heard many non blacks say similar so... can you accept your wrong? @nels 7 minutes ago, nels said: Definitely not. Even the black people in Atlanta are telling them (i.e., other black people) to move somewhere else and stay out of Atlanta. So much for that position . I usually don't like to know where online people live but do you live in atlanta? If you do live in atlanta, what are you doing to make atlanta better for black people? and if you don't live in atlanta, how do you know and what are you doing to make wherever you live better for black people?
nels Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 8 minutes ago, richardmurray said: She herself said she didn't care for the white house life, so going back to the white house makes her a loser. From that statement alone, it appears clear that "loser" does not apply.
richardmurray Posted November 15 Author Report Posted November 15 @nels 1 minute ago, nels said: From that statement alone, it appears clear that "loser" does not apply. Well, the answer is clear, you or i share a different view of the word loser. Loser doesn't mean murdered or death. Loser doesn't mean nobody. hell, nobody doesn't mean nobody. All I can say is I will use words as I see them. And you are completely free to state how you see words. But, it is more constrcutive to use the word you will like used, then to mention how you don't care for how i use words. And moreover or importantly, to the topic of this forum post, what are your thoughts to the Schrumpft second term? Are you happy? are you sad? Any prescience? Do you have anything positive to say?
umbrarchist Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 40 minutes ago, nels said: Sounds like something coming out of the mouth of a 100% black person. An electrical engineering drop out Black person who worked as the service manager for a Hi-Fi Retailer and watched White people buying expensive garbage to play status games with each other. The history of the last 550 has been a record of what people with technology can do to people without technology and the people without could not do anything about it. In my rarely humble opinion Black Americans spend too much energy concentrating on the stupid White people and not enough on the technology and economics manipulated by the smart and brainy White people.
nels Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 5 minutes ago, richardmurray said: Schrumpft Just the fact that you describe the incoming POTUS in such a way tends to shed light on the seriousness of last week's election. President Trump's victory was a referendum on America First, and that is what people are concerned about. Had Kamala Harris been able to honestly show and articulate her position on Amrerica FIrst and had she not recklessly locked up so many black men in California alone, she might have indeed won. However, she squandered an opportunity to explain herself in detail and instead, listened to a cadre of headless minions who knew absolutely nothing about nothing. When you live in a world where it seems like everyone is trying to kill you, survival of the nation takes on a whole new meaning. Beyond their (yet unadjucated) theft of the 2020 election from President Trump, the Democrats continue to believe that everyone else but them is just plain stupid. At the rate things are going, they could well find themselves out of power for at least the next 25 years. 1 minute ago, umbrarchist said: stupid White Sure sounds like someone doesn't care too much for white people.
umbrarchist Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 (edited) 9 minutes ago, nels said: Sure sounds like someone doesn't care too much for white people. Oversimplification! There are Smart White people, Dumb White people and Brainy White people. I attended an engineering school where you did not get in unless your SAT was in the top 5%. I am not in the all White people are alike rut. I am not say that intelligent White people cannot be racist either. But it has a different style. The "acting White" phrase had not come into Vogue when I was in high school. I was sarcastically called "A scholar and a gentleman". Getting straight A's in math was easy. Was I supposed to apologize for that? . Edited November 15 by umbrarchist Add paragraph
nels Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 4 minutes ago, umbrarchist said: Getting straight A's in math was easy. That doesn't make anyone smart and neither does having a high near 200 IQ. Most great execution and effectiveness is about applying plain old common sense, which seems to be in short supply these days.
umbrarchist Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 2 minutes ago, nels said: That doesn't make anyone smart and neither does having a high near 200 IQ. Most great execution and effectiveness is about applying plain old common sense, which seems to be in short supply these days. The Idiot Quotient tests just measure a certain kind of smart. Fixing a broken piece of electronic equipment may correlate with the tests but it still requires knowing electronics. How well it correlates with figuring out that Trump is an Egotistical Moron may require more testing. Black Americans are still stuck with the reality of technology getting more and more complicated and reading performance going down. 20 years ago I offered to pay some nieces and nephews to read some books I selected. They refused. My mother called my science fiction books "Something Crazy!" I ignored her. .
ProfD Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: When you say let non black folks own it, can you clarify? Hip-Hop music was profitable before it went mainstream. A combination of Black folks who understood the music business and investors could have built the infrastructure and subsequently an empire. Motown is the best example of the blueprint to building a Black record company. There were others too. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: Ahh so atlanta has the black institutions plus black financial infrastructure that satisfies you? It's a predominantly Black city. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: Do you live in atlanta? I do not. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: The black populace in nyc is circa one million seven hundred thousand in the metropolitan area circa four million so I doubt the black populace of NYC the city ro metropolitan area moving into atlanta would be good for atlanta. I didn't type that every Black person in NYC should move to ATL. Just those who seem to be struggling in the Big Apple. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: You pose the question unstraightly, As usual, you don't care for my presentation. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: once a black person in the usa gains a certain level of financial wealth are they exempt from growing black institutions or black financial infrastructures? No. They should invest in things of interest to them. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: In my mind sports teams and their stadiums/training grounds/media networks are pretty strong financial infrastructure elements and each team can be an institution. Black folks should own sports leagues. Not just teams. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: What level of vertical integration will satisfy you? How many times specifically? Money should change hands between Black folks 8-10 times before it leaves our community. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: Again, black people did this with Tulsa , a white city. Yes they did over 100 years ago. Black folks have made a lot a money since that time. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: Black DOSers don't have aided them in financing small businesses. I know of black owned shops, not just eateries, but it will be expensive to start more absent black wealth helping. And black people don't own chase bank to get loans. I've already laid out the amount of money that Black folks spend in gross consumerism. Black folks cannot make excuses for what we don't have and they aren't willing to build it. A defeatist mentality definitely won't get us anywhere. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: I may seem a pest, but i am trying to see how to get to where you seem to want. The tenor of your posts and counter-arguments lead me to believe that you cannot or do not want to see it. I'm not in the business of holding a bucket of water for a horse to drink it. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: Vertical integration, ok great, but can't get there without money. See my comments about consumerism. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: And many black people in nyc are flat broke, no money at all... Yet, their still alive and waking up everyday. I wonder what motivates them to live such an existence. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: yeah, foodstamps, yeah EBT, but are you suggesting people need to gamble on small businesses with their food money?:) No. They need to find a way to be more productive. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: Puff Daddy and others have huge homes in the hamptons... just saying, maybe they could help. Despite his alleged extra curricular activities, he has enriched other Black folks too. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: In your atlanta , is the vertical integration satisfactory? Your questions are becoming intellectually dishonest. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: I hope so. If so then move to atlanta and help atlanta grow.... No need for me to move to ATL. Where I live is one of the most affluent Black populaces in the US. 2 hours ago, richardmurray said: ...but it will be hard for other black populaces in non white cities to get where you suggest the black populace in atlanta is in terms of black owned insttutions or financial infrastructures. Even harder if one doesn't believe it can be done. Like a crime scene, nothing left to see here.
richardmurray Posted November 15 Author Report Posted November 15 @umbrarchist 15 hours ago, umbrarchist said: In my rarely humble opinion Black Americans spend too much energy concentrating on the stupid White people and not enough on the technology and economics manipulated by the smart and brainy White people. well said Two thing black people online not just in this forum but throughout the entire world wide web proves, 1) we spend to much time dwelling on the non black 2) we don't create enough, critiquing or judging isn't a sin and always has value but creating/crafting/growing is more positive and we don't do enough of that online so offline said online exhibitions prove their quality 15 hours ago, umbrarchist said: . I attended an engineering school where you did not get in unless your SAT was in the top 5%. Congratulations. Do you still design or draft anything? Even if you don't have the resources to build cause resources cost money, you can design. If you are willing please join the club and share a design to anything you built or will like to build in black games elite. If you are willing I have a small challenge for you. @ProfD 14 hours ago, ProfD said: Motown is the best example of the blueprint to building a Black record company. There were others too. Yes Philadelphia international , and huff and the other guy still own their work. Berry Gordy owned the biggest black owned business in the usa at one time. That being motown. He sold it. But before he sold it , he mismanaged it. I admit slight rant is coming, motown gets me angry, maybe if i didn't know so much of its administrative history I would be less angry about it. I forget whether it was the four tops or the temptations, i think it was the four tops, but one of them said they would leave him if he left detroit for los angeles, he left for los angeles and they left the label. He didn't need to leave for los angeles. Detroit couldn't use a film studio? Why did he not make better deals for musicians. Smokey robinson admitted he knew aretha franklin for years. She never signed to motown. why didn't berry make that happen? what was it about berry gordy that she didn't like. When Motown signed the four seasons, why didn't he pay them? Yes they are white, why didn't he pay them? Why is it he didn't get more black musicians. Celia Cruz is black, more black people live in latin america than anglo america, why didn't he get black latino artists? He knew of the origins of hip hop , why didn't he sign the last poets? Where was motown in the 1970s with earth wind and fire or parliament funkadelic. It is cheap retrospect, but the reality is, Steven Wonder admitted motown/berry gordy was going to cut him, it was a black woman who worked at motown who saved him. I am not trying to be negative, though i probably come off as such but Motown was the biggest black owned business in the usa, and Gordy mismanaged it into nothing. That isn't non whites fault or the Black village's fault, but Motown is not just oing to happen again from nothing, the industry has changed... But he did achieve that claim. I just wish, he hadn't did what he did once he got to the paramount. Look at Johnson who owned BET, he didn't even tell his wife, who was a shareholder he was in talks with the white jewish redstones. Why? he knew his wife and most of the employees were thinkin this was going to be all that motown wasn't but in the end, Johnson in shorter time did like gordy, sold it and didn't keep it black owned. Not non blacks fault, not the village fault. And no, financial history proves, no one, including non whites, can just do things, it takes fates hand with these things. And I know enough about starting a business to know, most businesses across the board fail in the usa. We will keep trying:) 14 hours ago, ProfD said: As usual, you don't care for my presentation. No, i didn't mean to suggest i didn't care for your wording. I meant you asked a question in your affirmation. And i think avery important one. I just finished my rant on Motown:) and B.E.T. you say 14 hours ago, ProfD said: No. They should invest in things of interest to them. At least here we have true history book contention. I may be wrong and please tell me if I am.... Based on your words, Berry Gordy with Motown: drugging MJ, not paying the four seasons, not getting black latino musicians, leaving detroit, not getting black artist in up and coming genres was investing as he saw fit and no matter the outcome that is acceptable as an owner ? am I wrong? I imagine it is similar to Johnson and B.E.T., him selling the firm to non blacks to the surprise of the employees plus the other black investors is acceptable because it is his want as majority owner. am I wrong? For me, and I imagine you oppose the following, but I said here is our true contention.... if the fiscally wealthy blacks are able to sell to non blacks and make black owned institutions former black owned institutions, sell black owned infrastructures to make them former black owned infrastructures then the fiscal poor man can shop at non black small stores and buy non black potato chips. 14 hours ago, ProfD said: Black folks should own sports leagues. Not just teams. 17 hours ago, richardmurray said: we owned the negro leagues mostly, but it was hard staying alive when roving baseball teams became harder to have, as real estate changed, and then black towns started dying as more and more black people moved to the big cities where black owned anything is , a challenge ok:) and black people aren't into baseball as we used to be. But doesn't ice cube own the big 3 league? based on coaching and players it seems to have more black people in coaching or drafting percentage waide than the nba. Where again is oprah, tyler perry, hey, invest. Why not a womens big 3 league? So today their is one league that maybe , i am not certain , is black owned, do you watch the big 3? I admit i never see it on t.v. though i have watched segments online a few times. Many black folks love the girdiron but anthing like the nfl will be very expensive and i argue against the nfl, a huge challenge, indoor football can work but it seeems oversaturated with leagues. I think one problem with a black sports league in the usa is again, the black populace in the usa isn't geographically spread out like the whites, the truth is, the black map of the usa, is really very easterly with this huge island west coast, so the approach has to not be the way white leaues work... any ideas? 14 hours ago, ProfD said: Money should change hands between Black folks 8-10 times before it leaves our community. 17 hours ago, richardmurray said: Ok cool:) thanks for the specificty. Eight to ten times, not easy as black people don't live alone in the usa, and it isn't like black people will use arms so... 14 hours ago, ProfD said: Yes they did over 100 years ago. Black folks have made a lot a money since that time. 17 hours ago, richardmurray said: You are really convinced that all the black populace in the usa needs to do is change its buying habits and that can lead to a whole crop of black owned financial institutions or infrastructures. ok, maybe your right. I admit, i have doubts. And yes, I can be wrong. Ok, I may be wrong. For the black people in the usa, I hope I am wrong..... Yes, black people spend money but I saw newark new jersey recently.I don't know how black people without money can leave and then without money can start business, and without money can afford to find or reach black owned business who knows how far away. I just don't know. Forgive me. I realize you have done the numbers, and based on the amount of money black people spend to buy things, which includes a large percentage of money from the government , you are convinced and based on raw data, i can see how the numbers work. I definitely can see how the numbers work, but I don't see how it works on the ground. 15 hours ago, ProfD said: Yet, their still alive and waking up everyday. I wonder what motivates them to live such an existence. Well, you can say the same for DOS forebears in the boats, remember, over 90% of the black people in the boats died, they didn't make it, so the black people who survived are pretty tough, if you can survive starving at the bottom of a boat for months chained with no light, the plantations or inner city regions whites herded you is a step up. 15 hours ago, ProfD said: Where I live is one of the most affluent Black populaces in the US. oh cool, non blacks say prince georges county in maryand or that county in los angeles are the most fiscally affluent black places. With your vigor and fiscal prudence you must own a black business where you live then. Do you? How many black owned businesses are in your affluent black place, an estimation? I am happy. for you. But I wonder, why bother talking about other black places. If you live around financially affluent blacks and all of you own business, and i imagine all the businesses where you are are black owned, then you did it!! You always talk about black people in other places. why? Aren't you happy where you are? You aren't going to start businesses other black places are you? I am surprised you talk about other black places, considering you are in a black place that is the best in the usa, modern tulsa right. I am happy for you, and wish that place stays strong. @nels 15 hours ago, nels said: Just the fact that you describe the incoming POTUS in such a way tends to shed light on the seriousness of last week's election. One question before I reply to your quote I want to know four positive things you did in the last seven days that also involved another black person or was a craft, not a critique? I will answer my own question. I created art for Invincible Fight Girl competition,started by uston Montgomery, to give examples for a black work. i finished a sonnet, based on a fellow artists poster I shared to south side chicago home movies , started by jaqueline stewart, an opportunity for their collection to be put in a collective commons I shared to someone at xavier college a hbcu a chance for them to join the creative masters program started by regina brooks, a black person Ok, what four positive things did you do that wa a craft, not a critique, or involved a black person? Now the following is my reply to your quote Well, your implication about the most recent presidential election is wrong because i have called him out of his name long before he was getting involved in elected offices. I called him names when he had his reality show. I called him names through his various bankruptcies and cruel acts to various people when he lived in new york city. And I will explain. I am black born and raised in new york city, many black people... many non black people, from new york city dislike Schrumpft, and when i say dislike it ranges from people like me who despise him to others who hate him and he has warranted all the dislike from people in new york city for more than his verbal actions but his nonverbal actions. And, I will be even with you. i said when Schrumpft won his first presidency that many people in new york city dislike him for his life befor egovernment such that they will never be swayed by him, but outside new york city, all they know is a reality tv host guy and a candidate, some of his most ugly, negative, cruel things were in his past and more importantly, didn't involve most outside the northeast. And one more thing, I am not an elephant or a donkey, I have no care for either of those parties of governance nor will I and like with schrumpft my dislike was way before modernity, when I was a child, and i have said this in this forum many times, so I have no care to the condition of the donkeys or the elephants
ProfD Posted November 15 Report Posted November 15 1 hour ago, richardmurray said: Berry Gordy owned the biggest black owned business in the usa at one time. That being motown. He sold it. But before he sold it , he mismanaged it. There are two things Berry Gordy and Bob Johnson have in common beyond selling their businesses...they built them. Instead of focusing on whatever they did wrong, it would be more productive to mirror whatever they did right. 1 hour ago, richardmurray said: I am not trying to be negative, though i probably come off as such... You're certainly not trying hard enough. Most businesses do fail. Folks with an entrepreneurial mindset keep getting back up, dusting themselves off and trying again. 1 hour ago, richardmurray said: You always talk about black people in other places. why? Aren't you happy where you are? You aren't going to start businesses other black places are you? I am surprised you talk about other black places, considering you are in a black place that is the best in the usa... Last time I checked, this forum allows us to discuss Race, Culture and Economy. Therefore, I can sit in my armchair and engage in discussion and give my opinion on various topics. Surely, I could stop discussing Black issues and empowerment or stop posting on the forum all together. But, I won't because I've gotten comfortable here. Since I plan to stick around and continue calling balls and strikes and dropping my 2 pennies, you may want to consider ignoring my posts.
richardmurray Posted November 15 Author Report Posted November 15 @ProfD 2 hours ago, ProfD said: There are two things Berry Gordy and Bob Johnson have in common beyond selling their businesses...they built them. Instead of focusing on whatever they did wrong, it would be more productive to mirror whatever they did right. neither built them alone and your right, it is 100% more positive, productive to focus on what was done correctly and if i may add, what wasn't done that is the opposite of what they did incorrectly. So, own a black business , have a focused idea, gather black investors, see nouveau or niche or particular markets, they did that well, And, to the opposite of what they didn't do well, keep the people who helped you build it close and involved, stay with the local community and maintain the value of your infrastructure, and remain focused to your industry which is changing in ways that maybe you don't see, pay all your bills to be blunt- don't let financial success make you skim anybody, and don't sell, it is false assumption to think someone else black will simply own a business as successfully as you in the industry you are in like magic. Your right profd ood lessons all around 2 hours ago, ProfD said: Last time I checked, this forum allows us to discuss Race, Culture and Economy. your right, i am not trying to blockade you from communicating but I now comprehend you better. You are a black person who lives in a fiscally affluent black community/town/region of a white city and in your local black community you have the example of black institutions or fiscal infrastructures that satisfy you, like getting eight to ten turnovers on the dollar locally. But, you want to see every local black populace/community have the same quality as where you live or better. I comprehend now. That is cool. I will hopefully remember when you comment you are commenting from that position. I comprehend.
ProfD Posted November 16 Report Posted November 16 Do 11 hours ago, richardmurray said: ...it is 100% more positive, productive to focus on what was done correctly and if i may add, what wasn't done... Good start. Whatever it means to your endeavors. 11 hours ago, richardmurray said: You are a black person who lives in a fiscally affluent black community/town/region of a white city... The discussion isn't about me or where I live. It's not a white city either. 11 hours ago, richardmurray said: But, you want to see every local black populace/community have the same quality as where you live or better. Absolutely. The only way it's going to hapen is Black folks believing they can do it and trying to bring it to fruition. Black folks cannot *afford* to wallow in negativity or fear or resign ourselves to defeat and/or mediocrity.
richardmurray Posted November 16 Author Report Posted November 16 @ProfD 8 hours ago, ProfD said: The discussion isn't about me or where I live. It's not a white city either. I never said the multilog was, I said I learned about you. and i quote myself using the following to prove my point 19 hours ago, richardmurray said: your right, i am not trying to blockade you from communicating but I now comprehend you better. You are a black person who lives in a fiscally and I learned more about you 8 hours ago, ProfD said: Absolutely. The only way it's going to hapen is Black folks believing they can do it and trying to bring it to fruition. Well, I am glad to know your goals for the larger black populace, i have learned more about you than ever before and I am happy. I don't share such a goal for the larger village. I think the black populace what I like to call the village , globally, in any continent, or just in the usa or any other government , need to have various tribes of various conditions or qualities which will lead to incongruency at times often in communication or whose ideas of contentment or happiness can be vastly different so much so they don't match.
Chevdove Posted November 22 Report Posted November 22 On 11/13/2024 at 12:03 PM, richardmurray said: well, each person in government has their own ways. Schrumpf as i just told umbrarchist, likes to give positions on fealty or loyalty, not quality. He likes to be radica ala shake things up , his position on western europe is a pure example. But obama was different. He wanted to give people jobs based on quality or lack of opportunity while qualified, in his mind, he wanted to be a president of his word. That was his choice. And besides, the black voters for him never demanded anything, never. I remember asking black people who were staunch obama supporters, to gather the black voters and make one demand, one demand of him , they didn't , they voted on the idea of a black president. So , he never betrayed being a black president which is the only thing black voters for him asked. idk. I remember Black people wanting and also saying that they wanted Obama to push for Reparations. And Obama made it clear even before the vote, that he would not do that. He said that it would not be fair to the Mexicans if Black Americans receive any sort of Reparations. So then, Black people voted for him anyway. I guess, White America viewed his being elected as 'our Reparations'. I became an idol. On 11/13/2024 at 12:03 PM, richardmurray said: It wasn't meant to be great at the beginning but over time all will have insurance afforably. That iwas and is the idea. I can tell you from personal experience i know the havoc that law brought, I even spoke out against it initially for what it is worth. Yes, it hurt a lot of poor people. It was not available to all, and the reason why i know this is on a personal level. You had to make a certain income to be qualified for it and if you did not, you were immediately told that didn't and that you had to find an insurance company on your own which was expensive. Once when I was applying, I was interviewed and when my income was not deemed adequate, the operator abruptly informed me and then stopped the interview immediately. She then told me that I would get a letter of rejection in the mail, of which I did. However, the operator did not allow me to finish my statement and she just cut me off. I was going to add my other income, but she did not pause or ask me of any other income. I wondered if she had a difficult time taking interviews in English, as she had a strong Hispanic accent. Nevertheless, I had to call back and complain. Then I was given another interview and qualified for Obamacare.
Chevdove Posted November 22 Report Posted November 22 On 11/13/2024 at 12:03 PM, richardmurray said: but scrumpft likes to throw wrenches and that is what people fear. Yes, I absolutely believe this.
richardmurray Posted November 22 Author Report Posted November 22 @Chevdove 8 hours ago, Chevdove said: I remember Black people wanting and also saying that they wanted Obama to push for Reparations. And Obama made it clear even before the vote, that he would not do that. He said that it would not be fair to the Mexicans if Black Americans receive any sort of Reparations. So then, Black people voted for him anyway. I guess, White America viewed his being elected as 'our Reparations'. I became an idol. Great point, i must first say, the problem with reparations is that it isn't something obama can give. Reparations, as you know, means a thing that repairs. The problem is, only Black DOSers themselves can decide that. Not the senate, not the supreme court, not the president, even if the president is black. This goes back to that black family that won their own land back but then sold it near instantly after. What is the point? What Richard/ Chevdove/ Troy/ some black person in a small black town in mississippi deems will repair the Black DOS tribe in the village can all be different so , one black person like obama dictating it, will not work. Yes, Obama didn't state what I said, he stated, based on his multiracial campaigning stratagem [remember obama failed trying to appeal to a black majority, he won his first seat and each one sequentially on a firm multiracial stance ] that the usa also has to give reparations to others, not just Black DOSers and he was correct, the USA has to give the First Peoples reparations , and i argue them before anyone else, though i don't know how any completely murdered tribe can be repaired. https://nativetribe.info/extinct-native-american-tribes-a-complete-list/ https://nativetribe.info/extinct-native-american-tribes-a-complete-list-2/ 8 hours ago, Chevdove said: Yes, it hurt a lot of poor people. yes, whenever a complex bureaucracy like healthcare in the usa is forced to make huge changes to how it works, it will be painful. Obama knew this, and that is why he opposed. But, Nancy PElosi was correct too, the healthcare industry in the usa is very powerful, they will never allow a so called socialist healthcare as you see in canada/western europe/china/russia . So the only way to get them close is to manipulate the market. In defense, I knew someone , an unmarried black woman, whose child... has many issues, and wasn't insured because of those issues but after the affordable care act, that child was insured, cause they had to be by law now, and my offline acquaintance was very happy about that. 7 hours ago, Chevdove said: Yes, I absolutely believe this. you know this, financial markets love predictability, that is why all the computers, nothing harms a computer program designed to predict more than random values.
Chevdove Posted November 22 Report Posted November 22 3 hours ago, richardmurray said: Great point, i must first say, the problem with reparations is that it isn't something obama can give. Reparations, as you know, means a thing that repairs. The problem is, only Black DOSers themselves can decide that. Not the senate, not the supreme court, not the president, even if the president is black. This goes back to that black family that won their own land back but then sold it near instantly after. I don't understand. So who gave other groups benefits? For example, I heard that Jews, Japanese and certain other groups received government funds as a result of how America harmed them in World War. So if the government did this then, why is it that Obama's government could not do that for African American Descendant of Slaves? Rosevelt's New Deal, I believe was financial and certain people got a huge financial benefit. So why is it that Black DOSers have to decide that? I don't understand. I did not finish responding to this last night. I became really sleepy and had to quit. 3 hours ago, richardmurray said: that the usa also has to give reparations to others, not just Black DOSers and he was correct, the USA has to give the First Peoples reparations , and i argue them before anyone else, though i don't know how any completely murdered tribe can be repaired. Most African American DOS are indeed intermixed with First Peoples and so even if they come first, it would be a direct benefit to the DOS. The problem is just who are the correct First Peoples that were victims of massacres and enslavement and etc.? This government knows, but they don't want to acknowledge this. 3 hours ago, richardmurray said: In defense, I knew someone , an unmarried black woman, whose child... has many issues, and wasn't insured because of those issues but after the affordable care act, that child was insured, cause they had to be by law now, and my offline acquaintance was very happy about that. This is a perfect example of a Democracy in that some will be delivered but most will not. That is why for the ones that are stepped on by this system, they need to realize that America is dangerous for this reason. Their deliverance will have to come from somewhere else, not America. America will deliver an individual and then use that particular story to represent how wonderful they are and then the others that are still suffering under their evil programs do not have a voice due to this one particular individual that has been delivered. Dangerous government. On 11/13/2024 at 12:03 PM, richardmurray said: said before in this forum and i repeat, the black populace in the usa needs to look at itself and realize it is a set of tribes in the village and each tribe needs to focus on its own agenda, throwing no hate to another tribe in the village. But @richardmurray in this American government, do you really believe that is attainable when they will always use their age old tactics of divide and conquer? On 11/13/2024 at 12:03 PM, richardmurray said: what is the black populace doing in the city where you live Chevdove? what are the goals? where are the organizations? forget about the entire black populace of the usa. What black organizations exist in the city where you live exclusively? You know, I think that we've all been brainwashed. So it doesn't really matter what organization we go to nowadays. I applaud Black people though because they just won't quit! They 'we' try to combat Black oppression continually. But again, any of the organizations that I go to are all dealing with the same complacency among the others in that group and these complacent people do not want to cause too much uproar against the powers that be. Maybe someone will come up with a new party to run for President or maybe there will be a new organization with a theme that will have an effective theme to bring about change, but so far, I don't see it. Back in my day and based on my foundation, I was made to go to the Black Church as a means to bring about change. That was the main organizations during the Civil Rights Movement that brought about change. Now there are new types of organizations such as Black Lives Matter but I've never seen one in my community to even attend! I have ventured out of my box though, once, and attended a Book Club that was part of an African American Islamic group and it was awesome. However, they did not have a large voice in bringing about change. They only fit under the bigger organization of NOI and therefore, they too did not have much of a voice to affect change within those perimeters. Just like the Black Church and the Church as a whole, they were divided.
richardmurray Posted November 22 Author Report Posted November 22 @Chevdove 1 hour ago, Chevdove said: I don't understand. So who gave other groups benefits? For example, I heard that Jews, Japanese and certain other groups received government funds as a result of how America harmed them in World War. So if the government did this then, why is it that Obama's government could not do that for African American Descendant of Slaves? Rosevelt's New Deal, I believe was financial and certain people got a huge financial benefit. So why is it that Black DOSers have to decide that? I don't understand. Even question What were White Jews given? Money + Israel. What did White jews need repaired? white jews of germany needed their world repaired, but not the white jews of the usa/england/spain/mexico... white jews outside europe were not harmed so they didn't need anything repaired. White jews in the usa killed first peoples and enslaved blacks. So were white jews given reparations or support? I argue support. What did the Japanese, white asians, get? JApan the country got rebuilt... because of the soviet union and japanese americans got money. Japanese AMericans got money. What did the japanese need repaired? The Japanese needed their country repaired but the usa was not going to rebuild japan, that happened because the japanese people were aligning with the soviet union so the usa had a change of heart. Japanese americans did lose homes businesses but the japanese came to the usa freely, they spoke japanese freely, they lived as they wanted freely before the camps. So were the japanese given reparations or support? I argue support. So lets relate White JEws or the JApanese this to Black DOSers... White jews in germany/france/italy were assaulted/killed but before the assault white jews in germany fought for germany in world war one, were a large percentage and by some accounts the majority of professors. Were most of the owners in various indiustries. Had banks. I mean goldman sachs. Laslty, White Jews outside germany/france/italy were fully embedded in the halls of power in white countries. Black DOSers had to wait till the 1980s to finally be allowed some level of equal treatment by whites, but from the 1500s to 1865 we were not allowed to have our own religion, speak our own language, read, congregate where we want, own businesses... and more and more. White Jews didn't get reparations they got support. Black DOSers need reparations. Japan lost world war II which they willingly entered, during that war they had by force of arms taken over china/siam/indonesia/phillipines and were onto australia. They lost the war, which is a bloody thing. but they acted violently. Japanese in the usa, did lose their homes and money. But they came to the usa willingly, didn't they? and they were allowed to be japanese were they not, owning businesses, doing business with white europeans. And during world war II many wealthy japanese lived fine, and comfortable, coming back to japan when the war ended. I know you know but for argument sake...Black DOSers didn't come freely, because of our background we don't have a country, africa is a continent not a country. and, if black DOSers have any connection to any land in africa, none are countries but cities or regions in three countries: ethiopia/sierra leone/liberia , not any of those countries in total but a region in each. and regions that are financially poor and never been able to wage a war let alone a war successfully as japan did. Japanese, white asians, didn't get reparations, they got support. Black DOSers need reparations. Now I want to meet you half way. Remember that Black family that was given their land back after it was taken in california, and they sold their land back to whites near immeidately after getting it. They were given support, but not reparations. This black family once not only dreamed of owning land but owned land, made profit , and whites destroyed them into a group of people who want to own nothing and see no value in owning. Do you see? I quote the article below And so less, than a year after the land was returned, the four recipients of the land decided to sell it back to the county for nearly $20 million. George Fatheree III: As an attorney, my responsibility is to advocate in the interests of my clients. As a citizen, as an — and as an African American citizen,I think that's an important question. Who are the benefactors of restitution? Who should be the benefactors of reparations? Stephanie Sy: After her work getting the Bruces their land back, this is not the outcome community activist Kavon Ward wanted. Kavon Ward: I wanted to see strong, young Black entrepreneurs like Charles and Willa Bruce take up space here and be able to build and develop here, like the Bruces once we're able to do. Community is what got the land back. So, yes, the family won, but the community did not. Stephanie Sy: The work, Ward says, will continue, the reckoning far from over. full article if you want to read https://aalbc.com/tc/profile/6477-richardmurray/?status=2349&type=status The black families of tulsa can get similar support to white jews or white asians like the japanese or the black family in california but reparations is something else. So I conclude with some groups are falsely labeled as getting reparations when they don't need reparations as they are mostly uninjured or are responsible for their condition : white jews or the japanese for example. While in truth said white jews or japanese plus the black family in california were each given support, which can be given, but as the black family proves, support isn't reparations. 1 hour ago, Chevdove said: Most African American DOS are indeed intermixed with First Peoples and so even if they come first, it would be a direct benefit to the DOS. The problem is just who are the correct First Peoples that were victims of massacres and enslavement and etc.? This government knows, but they don't want to acknowledge this. you sure the government knows? 2 hours ago, Chevdove said: in this American government, do you really believe that is attainable when they will always use their age old tactics of divide and conquer? Possibility says it is possible, probability says the odds are against it,but the questions then follow if the black populace in the usa can't be its true self in the usa, what can it be ? Can it live a lie of its own making? 2 hours ago, Chevdove said: You know, I think that we've all been brainwashed. So it doesn't really matter what organization we go to nowadays. Well the modern black populace in the usa has challenges, the biggest tribe, the DOSers have fought hard and find themselves a set of individuals, the smaller tribes like various immigrant groups: jamaicans/nigerians/haitians/black dominicans/black seminoles or similars have their communities that they have been able to grow freely. smalelr so easier tog ather and coordinate. But have a relationship to the usa that is unlike the DOSers. so... challenges for the village. In the same way it is possible that the tribes can do as I said, i also know it is possible for the tribes to find a greater unity. Possiblility is still odds against in the usa. but, it can happen. HAppy you found different ways to connect to the village where you at, and maybe you cna make hose groups stronger. Find the book club and maybe see if you guys can help a library. Does your local community have a library. To black churches, well, what does your local community need? Maybe you can make the church open area a garden, make food for the needy.
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