2nd Congressional sub committee on UAP/UFO...

[frankster]

Replay! 2nd UFO hearing held by US congress, witnesses include fmr. miltary

[Pioneer1]

So, what should we expect to come of this?

Do we expect for this government to actually reveal the truth about the nature of these Beings and their activities?

[ProfD]

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So, what should we expect to come of this?

Nothing should be expected.

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do we expect for this government to actually reveal the truth about the nature of these Beings and their activities?

That won't stop them from wasting taxpayer money. 

[Troy]

Any revelations @frankster or anyone who watch the video. I haven’t watched it—a two-hour long congressional hearing without a promise of something new did not seem like a good use of my time.

 

[Pioneer1]

My question is why aren't the "Aliens" or UFO's  THEMSELVES making Their presence known to the public in a massive way?

With all of this technology and knowledge, They could easily present Themselves before the entire planet or atleast an entire region and introduce Themselves, stating clearly Who They are and what Their mission is.

Surely, They don't need to "go through" Congress or some UFO study organization to get Their message out.

[ProfD]

26 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Surely, They don't need to "go through" Congress or some UFO study organization to get Their message out.

Aliens to adults is what Santa Claus is to children. 

 

So, adults are willing to waste a sh8t ton of money believing in aliens, paranormal activities and anything else of fantasy.

[frankster]

20 hours ago, Troy said:

Any revelations @frankster or anyone who watch the video. I haven’t watched it—a two-hour long congressional hearing without a promise of something new did not seem like a good use of my time.

 

No....earth shattering revelations

The First Congressional hearing has made it an entry into Officialdom and Politics

But this 2nd Congressional hearing  is presenting the whole Idea af Intelligent Beings from elsewhere visiting earth....in a more respectable and acceptable light..

No it is not a waste of time....from the 70's they have promised "Disclosure" in the 90's....now in the 2020's it seems to be coming out.

 

On 11/16/2024 at 8:09 AM, Pioneer1 said:

So, what should we expect to come of this?

Do we expect for this government to actually reveal the truth about the nature of these Beings and their activities?

We should expect Misinformation.....and an end to Disinformation.

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

My question is why aren't the "Aliens" or UFO's  THEMSELVES making Their presence known to the public in a massive way?

That is the similar to the question Dr Drake ask in 1960's "Where is everybody'?...after calculating the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligent life to be nowhere short of at least a billion civilizations in this galaxy alone

 

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

With all of this technology and knowledge, They could easily present Themselves before the entire planet or atleast an entire region and introduce Themselves, stating clearly Who They are and what Their mission is.

How do you this has not already been done?

In all Likelihood there are protocols in place preventing this....and to go off script would be seen as an act of aggression.

 

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Surely, They don't need to "go through" Congress or some UFO study organization to get Their message out.

For want of a better phrase there probable is a Galactic Federation and Rules sorrounding Official Fisrt Contact.

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Aliens to adults is what Santa Claus is to children. 

 

So, adults are willing to waste a sh8t ton of money believing in aliens, paranormal activities and anything else of fantasy.

To me it is more nonsensical to think or believe we are alone in the Galaxy....much less the Universe.

Distance is inconsquential when one has.....Technology

[ProfD]

44 minutes ago, frankster said:

To me it is more nonsensical to think or believe we are alone in the Galaxy....much less the Universe.

Distance is inconsquential when one has.....Technology

Brotha Frank, it does seem arrogant to think or believe we're not along in the universe.  To date, there is no proof or concrete evidence.

 

If an intergalactic federation is running the show and telling aliens not to make themselves known to Earthlings...OK.  I'm still not buying it.

 

OTOH, if an advanced life form has technology that allows it to travel throughout the universe, nothing here on Earth should be able to hide evidence of visitation.

 

It's silly to have Area 51 and folks claiming they saw a UAP/UFO or they were abducted and azz probed or whatever.  The foolishness folks claim just doesn't make sense.  

 

Until *I* see something I can believe, they are wasting a ton of money selling folks on the idea of having evidence or knowledge of ET/UAP/UFO.

[Troy]

Thanks @frankster

 

@ProfD I wouldn’t group the footage recorded by Air Force personnel with the azz probe crowd. The Air Force information is much more compelling.

 

@Pioneer1 it is very possible that we are completely unable to understand communications from civilizations that have visited us, because they are so far advanced.

 

It would be like us flying airplane to a deserted island encountering a new species of marsupial. The marsupial will see us, be afraid or curious, but they wouldn’t understand a single thing we had to say to them.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

@ProfD I wouldn’t group the footage recorded by Air Force personnel with the azz probe crowd. The Air Force information is much more compelling.

OK.  We'll put the azz probing claims aside. 

 

I still have a hard time believing the Air Force or some other governmental agencies are the only folks who have proof and evidence.

 

The Alien UAP/UFO always seem to crash land in a desert or some other remote area. 

 

I'm waiting for a crash landing at a Wal-Mart parking lot around 4 pm EST during the holiday season.  There should be plenty witnesses.

 

2 hours ago, Troy said:

It would be like us flying airplane to a deserted island encountering a new species of marsupial. The marsupial will see us, be afraid or curious, but they wouldn’t understand a single thing we had to say to them.

More interesting would be landing somewhere and the animals having high tech equipment, housing, transportation, etc.

[Troy]

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

The Alien UAP/UFO always seem to crash land in a desert or some other remote area. 

The vast majority of the planet is deserted so if the aircraft was to crash land here, most likely it would be in the ocean or deserted area.

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

More interesting would be landing somewhere and the animals having high tech equipment, housing, transportation, etc

You mean like landing here

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Troy said:

The vast majority of the planet is deserted so if the aircraft was to crash land here, most likely it would be in the ocean or deserted area.

Right.  It's just an interesting coincidence that when a UAP/UFO supposedly crash lands in the US it never ends up in a major city or a Wal-Mart parking lot.

[frankster]

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

Brotha Frank, it does seem arrogant to think or believe we're not along in the universe.  To date, there is no proof or concrete evidence.

It then comes down to what to you is evidence of proof?

Now I say this I witness report is extremely unreliable....

Many people have gone to gallows on just such evidence

Millions of people today and yesterday have testified to them being real and here

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

If an intergalactic federation is running the show and telling aliens not to make themselves known to Earthlings...OK.  I'm still not buying it.

Even if that is the case....it is obvious that many people are seeing them -  so many of them are showing themselves.

If their is a Galactic Federation with a Prime Directive....Rebels seem to be circumventing it and them - Aliens it appears are not monolithic or united.

What is lacking is Official Governmental stamp of Approval which is what the hearings are about...that they are real and pose a security risk

financial misappropriations is also another concern.

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

OTOH, if an advanced life form has technology that allows it to travel throughout the universe, nothing here on Earth should be able to hide evidence of visitation.

Except another advance civilization working with some earthling to achieve that end.

That is what the hearing is about....

The Evidence is there it is been kepted.

It is obvious something is being kept hidden..

It is also obvious what is being kept hidden...

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

It's silly to have Area 51 and folks claiming they saw a UAP/UFO or they were abducted and azz probed or whatever.  The foolishness folks claim just doesn't make sense.  

Thats all Misinformation and Disinformation...to Misdirect and to make it appear as a silly childish and foolish idea.

 

13 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Until *I* see something I can believe, they are wasting a ton of money selling folks on the idea of having evidence or knowledge of ET/UAP/UFO.

You are entitled to that...

 

11 hours ago, Troy said:

Thanks @frankster

 

@ProfD I wouldn’t group the footage recorded by Air Force personnel with the azz probe crowd. The Air Force information is much more compelling.

You think that would be proof....people have risk their lives to smuggle such things out only for it to be denied as to graining by those spouting and spewing disinformation as science....

 

Three aliens caught on camera before meeting with the high rank commanders ( Tape 06) REVIEW

 

 

11 hours ago, Troy said:

 

@Pioneer1 it is very possible that we are completely unable to understand communications from civilizations that have visited us, because they are so far advanced.

 

It would be like us flying airplane to a deserted island encountering a new species of marsupial. The marsupial will see us, be afraid or curious, but they wouldn’t understand a single thing we had to say to them.

Mathematics is the universal language....

 

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

OK.  We'll put the azz probing claims aside. 

 

I still have a hard time believing the Air Force or some other governmental agencies are the only folks who have proof and evidence.

Of Course they are not...

Bring proof to an already misled public....only to be ridicule with derision

Whilst "Men In Black" come and destroy your life and family if not kill or disappear you and family...

 

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

The Alien UAP/UFO always seem to crash land in a desert or some other remote area. 

 

I'm waiting for a crash landing at a Wal-Mart parking lot around 4 pm EST during the holiday season.  There should be plenty witnesses.

 

More interesting would be landing somewhere and the animals having high tech equipment, housing, transportation, etc.

More Glaring example have occured....over the capital

 

Did Aliens Invade Washington D.C. In 1952? | Dark History

 

5 hours ago, Troy said:

The vast majority of the planet is deserted so if the aircraft was to crash land here, most likely it would be in the ocean or deserted area.

 

You mean like landing here

True...

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right.  It's just an interesting coincidence that when a UAP/UFO supposedly crash lands in the US it never ends up in a major city or a Wal-Mart parking lot.

Great Question.... but like @Troy said there is more forested wild jungle on the globe than development areas.

Plus consider most planes also crash in deserted areas or less densely populated sorroundings.

 

 

 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, frankster said:

Plus consider most planes also crash in deserted areas or less densely populated sorroundings.

Sure. Every now and then, planes do crash into populated areas.

 

I guess the alien GPS is sophisticated enough to avoid heavily populated areas but it doesn't keep them from crashing their craft.

 

All of this after traveling millions of miles through the galaxy. Just run out of gas or lose control of the UAP/UFO in Roswell, New Mexico. Not Sam's Club.

[frankster]

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

Sure. Every now and then, planes do crash into populated areas.

True...

 

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

I guess the alien GPS is sophisticated enough to avoid heavily populated

Or they do all they can not to go down over a well populated area so that rescue and retrival by their peers is more likely to happen .....

in a city they are more likely to end in a cell  or operating room or kill by a mob of terrians/locals shouting demons devil at them...

 

 

Please ignore the following just had to post...

Nerdification ....intuitive - hope to god you do not knows maths cause I do not know whatthe shit is about that follows

Humans have only  develop and used approximately 15% of the earths habitable land Mass....about 2% of the earth surface Landmass

70% of the earth surface is water....10% percent of the earth land surface is covered with  Ice....

Of the Remaining 20%...50% is Habitable to humans = 10%

Of that 10% human cities only occupy 3%  = 0.3 of total earth land mass

 

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

areas but it doesn't keep them from crashing their craft.

True...

I still walk into people and things - occasionally

We still crashing cars ships trains and planes.....after 100's of years of use and development

Just the other day I saw two dudes on bicycles delivering food in a head on collision....go figure

System or Mission Failure.....happens to the most advance system on any given mission - no matter how many sophisticated redudancies are incorporated in the system.

Even heard of a Robotic / AI commiting suicide.

 

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

All of this after traveling millions of miles through the galaxy. Just run out of gas or lose control of the UAP/UFO in Roswell, New Mexico. Not Sam's Club.

Yep....shit happens to the best and most advance.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, frankster said:

Or they do all they can not to go down over a well populated area so that rescue and retrival by their peers is more likely to happen .....

in a city they are more likely to end in a cell  or operating room or kill by a mob of terrians/locals shouting demons devil at them...

 

System or Mission Failure.....happens to the most advance system on any given mission - no matter how many sophisticated redudancies are incorporated in the system.

Even heard of a Robotic / AI commiting suicide.

 

Yep....shit happens to the best and most advance.

Brotha @frankster, I appreciate you giving aliens credit for being advanced enough to travel across space and time and crash land on earth without being detected while also attributing the human element *but* sh8t happens.

 

If such is the case, It is almost unfair to question folks believing in aliens, sky fairies, Santa Claus, unicorns, mermaids, etc.

[frankster]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

Brotha @frankster, I appreciate you giving aliens credit for being advanced enough to travel across space and time and crash land on earth without being detected while also attributing the human element *but* sh8t happens.

There is so many reasons why a crash can occur....unknown and or unexpected radiatian waves frequecies or just weather...

No matter how advance you are....you cant know everything - unfortunate and unpredictable things do happen to all things.

Even God had to flood the earth and there reportedly were wars in Heaven.....Perfection is a goal to strive for but will never be achieved

What you call a "human element" might just be in reality an element that happens to all things.

 

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

If such is the case, It is almost unfair to question folks believing in aliens, sky fairies, Santa Claus, unicorns, mermaids, etc.

First thing first....

We not having congressional hearings about them....nor are people in fear of their life for speaking what they know about them..

Neither are they buzzing military assets and being a general threat to Safety and National Security.

 

lol....another level

I believe in Fairies Unicorn and Mermaids ...these are mythical/legendary creatures.

This first Unicorn was discoverd/documented in India in 1758.....lol

I am sure to see quite a few Santas this christmass ringing bells and swinging pots  begging money and some having kids sitting on there........

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

TNo matter how advance you are....you cant know everything - unfortunate and unpredictable things do happen to all things.

Even God had to flood the earth and there reportedly were wars in Heaven.....Perfection is a goal to strive for but will never be achieved

What you call a "human element" might just be in reality an element that happens to all things.

True that.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

First thing first....

We not having congressional hearings about them....nor are people in fear of their life for speaking what they know about them..

Neither are they buzzing military assets and being a general threat to Safety and National Security.

Fair enough.  In this thread, we'll stick to aliens as the most potentially clear and present danger.

 

Despite their reluctance to spill the beans at congressional hearings, we should trust the miliary has the situation under control because all h8ll hasn't broken loose in a public location.

 

Now, I'm wondering if the incoming administration will allow the GOP-led congress to continue the UAP/UFO hearings or redirect them elsewhere.

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Interesting discussion between you two.
Good and valid points on both sides.

I'm not really sure what to say because on the one hand I do believe Aliens exist and visit this planet; one the other hand I feel that Beings with the ability and technology to reach this planet seemingly from another galaxy should EASILY be able to make themselves known globally and bypass any restrictions or efforts by any human government to conceal them.

We shouldn't have to rely on Congress to reveal ANYTHING about Aliens because They should...in my opinion...have the ability to make Themselves known!
 

So why they haven't....yet...is very interesting to me.

And are they "racist"?

If they are here to help humanity, why aren't they helping out Africa and AfroAmericans?
 

If there IS communication, are they only communicating with White folks and White governments and ignoring the people of color who make up a majority of this planet?

What's going on here?
 

[frankster]

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

True that.

Fair enough.  In this thread, we'll stick to aliens as the most potentially clear and present danger.

True

 

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Despite their reluctance to spill the beans at congressional hearings,

I do not think its the Military that is behind the "reluctance"....but families in the intelligence communities that own various industrial trade rights and licensure - through which and from which they derive much Power

 

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

we should trust the miliary has the situation under control because all h8ll hasn't broken loose in a public location.

It is the Military that is asking for disclosure so that they can  have a better picture of what they are dealing....which may give the military a handle on it

The UFO reports and information sorrounding alien is way too compartmentalize for the military to mount an effective response...

Reports out of russia is that they  have been more successfull in shooting them down..

 

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

Now, I'm wondering if the incoming administration will allow the GOP-led congress to continue the UAP/UFO hearings or redirect them elsewhere.

Lets watch and see..

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Interesting discussion between you two.
Good and valid points on both sides.

I'm not really sure what to say because on the one hand I do believe Aliens exist and visit this planet; one the other hand I feel that Beings with the ability and technology to reach this planet seemingly from another galaxy should EASILY be able to make themselves known globally and bypass any restrictions or efforts by any human government to conceal them.

There are too many reasons why this could be the effect...here is two

Maybe they just do not care to announce themselves....or maintain embassies and diplomatic relations - not interested or in their interest.

It is possible that another group of aliens are working in conjunction to keep us isolated (prison planet) and they made be rules regarding First contact vis avis total Disclosure.

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

We shouldn't have to rely on Congress to reveal ANYTHING about Aliens because They should...in my opinion...have the ability to make Themselves known!

They Have.....

Propaganda is a powerful tool....especially when it has the Official stamp of Approval  of Experts and the Government .

Official Mass Media and our own governement has a news black out on all things UFO....presently that seems to be changing.

Before Body  and cell phone cameras white police officers would shoot innocent black men and tell the most outrageous lies abou the incident

Many blacks and most whites would believe the lie....because of Official Mass media spin - even when eyewitness testimony is contrary.

How many people know that Putin has publish in public Nudes of Melania Trump???? If it was of Kamala or Michelle Obama  you would all have known if not seen them!!!

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So why they haven't....yet...is very interesting to me.

Who Knows that they haven't.....

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And are they "racist"?

If they are here to help humanity, why aren't they helping out Africa and AfroAmericans?

Good questions....Maybe there is a Non-interference clause beyond individual and small group abductions.

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If there IS communication, are they only communicating with White folks and White governments and ignoring the people of color who make up a majority of this planet?

No..it doesn't appear they are Racist.

They communicate with and abduct any human beings.....

In the early 1960's Barney and Betty Hill one of the most famous UFO abduction cases....Barney  is Black

Groups of people are now calling them up at will which is what the Government is a afraid of...

I remember posting here that Black man who called them up on TV live...he was the first I saw doing it now many whites are doing it 

He said the secret to calling them is in the bible.....The whites say different.

 

 

11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What's going on here?

Disclosure...

[ProfD]

10 hours ago, frankster said:

I do not think its the Military that is behind the "reluctance"....but families in the intelligence communities that own various industrial trade rights and licensure - through which and from which they derive much Power

Follow the money. 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

It is the Military that is asking for disclosure so that they can  have a better picture of what they are dealing....which may give the military a handle on it

Gotcha. Hopefully the military won't spend too much time worrying about it.

 

10 hours ago, frankster said:

Reports out of russia is that they  have been more successfull in shooting them down..

Even the Russians are hiding and keeping aliens under wraps too.

 

I'd imagine it would take a level of cooperation between countries to keep those secrets.

[aka Contrarian]

I think me and a lot of others are aliens, descendants of  life forms  transported to Earth by asteroids and comets from outer space. We are the15 percent of the population with the O negative blood type that science can't figure out. 

 

I've never felt comfortable on Earth or at home in America. I'm like a stranger in a strange land.

Too many odd scenes appear before me when I close my eyes.  And my tinntinitus sounds like the sound of the wind whistling. My dreams are bizarre and very vivid. 

As a grade schooler, i remember being very excited when reports  about  "flying saucers" first began appearing in the news. I believed in them!  

Nobody but an alien would think they were an alien.

 

            źzźżzźzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I think me and a lot of others are aliens, descendants of  life forms  transported to Earth by asteroids and comets from outer space.

Well, some thought all human beings descend from a life form that crashed landed on earth by way of cosmic debris.

 

Then, some believe spirits take on new bodies when death occurs.

 

IMO, the ability to think, reason, create and fantasize put human beings at the apex of creation.

 

I'll continue believing human beings are the most advanced life form until a higher former of intelligence makes itself known as @Pioneer1 mentioned.

[frankster]

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Follow the money. 

Always a good idea when applied to humans......not sure if it is as applicable to aliens/Non Human

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Gotcha. Hopefully the military won't spend too much time worrying about it.

Thats what the military do....worry about security and defend against threats.

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Even the Russians are hiding and keeping aliens under wraps too.

Yes....My understanding is that it is all dealt with in one department.

The US is has now formed one such department called - AARO in 2022

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'd imagine it would take a level of cooperation between countries to keep those secrets.

Yes and no..

In the US the Open Secret Method has worked by using Ridicule Mis/Disinformation Propaganda and Subterfuge(real threat to life family and property)

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Well, some thought all human beings descend from a life form that crashed landed on earth by way of cosmic debris.

Panspermia

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

Then, some believe spirits take on new bodies when death occurs.

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

IMO, the ability to think, reason, create and fantasize put human beings at the apex of creation.

The Arrogance of Self

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

I'll continue believing human beings are the most advanced life form until a higher former of intelligence makes itself known as @Pioneer1 mentioned.

How will you recognize it???

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I think me and a lot of others are aliens, descendants of  life forms  transported to Earth by asteroids and comets from outer space.

I think you are right

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

We are the15 percent of the population with the O negative blood type that science can't figure out. 

Maybe you are a Star Child - Indigo

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I've never felt comfortable on Earth or at home in America. I'm like a stranger in a strange land.

Okay maybe thats just Imposter Syndrome...or worst derealization

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

 

Too many odd scenes appear before me when I close my eyes. 

Describe them in writing(or audio recording) for yourself and to yourself.....for personal edutainment only

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

And my tinntinitus sounds like the sound of the wind whistling.

Do the following at your own risk and pace...nor do i recommend the following.

Use both  your index fingers and  gently Rub immediately before each tragus  for 10 seconds ....not medical advice entertainment purposes only

Use both palms and cup both ear holes/canals creating a suction effect at the same time using index finger rubing against middle finger to make a clicking/thuding sound for 5 times....Not medical advice for entertainment purposes only

Lastly cup your palms and gently pat under your arms behind your kness and groin area.....10 times each - strictly for fun and games

Deep Diaphragmatic Breathing and Progressive muscle relaxation 5 minutes each....seek medical advice from your doctor - I am neither

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

My dreams are bizarre and very vivid. 

Write them down..for entertainment purposes only

 

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

As a grade schooler, i remember being very excited when reports  about  "flying saucers" first began appearing in the news

Same here

 

8 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I believed in them!  

Nobody but an alien would think they were an alien.

 

            źzźżzźzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

So do I 

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, frankster said:

Always a good idea when applied to humans......not sure if it is as applicable to aliens/Non Human

Sure.  The money would be inconsequential to aliens.  Humans hiding information may have a financial incentive.

3 hours ago, frankster said:

Thats what the military do....worry about security and defend against threats.

Militaries usually train for human conflicts. 

 

Unless there is a special branch of military with access to alien technology, I doubt that will be ready for war against an alien invasion.  

 

3 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes....My understanding is that it is all dealt with in one department.

The US is has now formed one such department called - AARO in 2022

Right.  Since 2007, the US has created agencies, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and UAP Task Force (UAPTF) to investigate UFO/UAP related events.

 

I wonder if these programs will be on the chopping block once DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) is stood up under the new POTUS administration.

 

3 hours ago, frankster said:

The Arrogance of Self

My intention was not to elevate human beings from an arrogant perspective.  Just recognizing humans as the highest life from what I know.

 

3 hours ago, frankster said:

How will you recognize it???

Before I can believe anything, I have to *see* it for a myself.  Even as an old man, I have to rely on the senses I have left.

 

Considering the amount of time I have remaining on the planet, it really doesn't matter one way or another.   The younger folks can handle whatever shows up.

[frankster]

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  The money would be inconsequential to aliens.  Humans hiding information may have a financial incentive.

True

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Militaries usually train for human conflicts. 

True

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Unless there is a special branch of military with access to alien technology, I doubt that will be ready for war against an alien invasion.  

The USSF.

Do not know if they have alien tech....but they are being prepared and trained for conflicts in space

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Right.  Since 2007, the US has created agencies, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and UAP Task Force (UAPTF) to investigate UFO/UAP related events.

True

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I wonder if these programs will be on the chopping block once DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) is stood up under the new POTUS administration.

You never know....but i think they will be merged

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

My intention was not to elevate human beings from an arrogant perspective.  Just recognizing humans as the highest life from what I know.

What makes us the highest Life form you know...?

It is a question I have often pondered what is it that makes us the most intelligent life form on earth we know.

 

Question Who is more intelligent?

1. I make a physical craft and travel the universe in it.

2. I learn a mental technique and travel the universe.

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Before I can believe anything, I have to *see* it for a myself.  Even as an old man, I have to rely on the senses I have left.

True..

Thats why those scammers called streaming companies always get me...I want to see - lol

 

8 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Considering the amount of time I have remaining on the planet, it really doesn't matter one way or another.   The younger folks can handle whatever shows up.

true

[ProfD]

6 minutes ago, frankster said:

What makes us the highest Life form you know...?

It is a question I have often pondered what is it that makes us the most intelligent life form on earth we know.

*I* have not personally seen or witnessed a higher form of intelligence on earth.  

6 minutes ago, frankster said:

Question Who is more intelligent?

1. I make a physical craft and travel the universe in it.

2. I learn a mental technique and travel the universe.

#1 because for *me* it's about what one can *do* (physical) versus what one *thinks* (mental). 

 

In my mind, I can grow the most beautiful garden with every type of fruit and vegetable in it. 

 

But, it's not until I dig in the dirt, plant seeds and water it that I'll have a garden capable of producing fruits and vegetables for consumption.

 

6 minutes ago, frankster said:

Thats why those scammers called streaming companies always get me...I want to see - lol

Stop streaming bro. 

 

Getting older also means it's time to start thinking about minimizing exposure to the grid.  Technology can be a blessing and a curse.

[Pioneer1]

18 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

My dreams are bizarre and very vivid. 

 

A couple questions:

1. Have they always been that way or did they start being that way at a certain age?

2. Do you LUCID dream regularly?

[aka Contrarian]

'Glad you guys don't take me too seriously.  Consider the source of what I post in the wee small of the hours of the night when I'm either waking up - or falling off to sleep...

 

                       

 

 

[Pioneer1]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:27 AM, aka Contrarian said:

'Glad you guys don't take me too seriously.  Consider the source of what I post in the wee small of the hours of the night when I'm either waking up - or falling off to sleep...

 

                       

 

 

Cynique......

Seriously.
Do you actually FEEL LIKE answering my questions?

 

[frankster]

 

The First Congressional Hearing

 

Hearing starts at time stamp:- 6:10

Interesting testimony quotes....

Time Stamps:-

30:00 - 30:10....swearing in

Graves opening Testimony...30:40 - 34:46

31:00 - 31:43.....sightings are routine 

32:20 - 33:12.....confirmation of realness of UAP/UFO by both eyewitness and instrumentations

Grusch opening Testimony....34:50 - 38:56

36:06 - 36:14.... Secrecy without congressional approval

37:45 - 38:31.....ongoing crash retrieval and reverse engineering program

Fravor opening Testimony....39:04 - 44:20

39:38 - 40:11....over 80,000 ft is space

41:28 - 41:5......speeds of 3600 mph

 

45:16 - 45 : 41....stigma fear ridicule and loss of job

49:21 - 49:50.....need to share hidden info

55:00 - 55:25.....capabilities beyond known science

55:36 - 55:56.....in possession of alien craft 

56:32 - 57:01.....not our tech

58:52 - 59:44 & 1:06:50 - 1:07:20 .....Reprisals and retaliations for being a whistleblower

1:02:05 - 1:02:18....global phenomena

1:03:13 - 1:03:34... description of UAP

1:11:25 - 1:11:46... cease and desist 0rders from corporations to civilian pilots

 

 

LIVE | Congress holds UFO hearing with retired Maj. David Grusch

 

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https://info.publicintelligence.net/DIA-AdvancedSpacePropulsion.pdf

 

https://www.congress.gov/event/118th-congress/house-event/116282/text

[ProfD]

Rep. Eric Burlison (Missouri) made the following statement in the congressional report, "OK. And so with that being said, you know, the other statement that has been made that was intriguing to me because--and it is intriguing because my view has been that we are billions of light years away from any other system and the concept that an alien species that is technologically advanced enough to travel billions of light years gets here and somehow is incompetent enough to not survive Earth or crashes is something that I find a little bit farfetched."

 

Witness David Grusch, a former senior intelligence officer, either could not answer the questions fearing some kind of reprisal or retaliation or he took the equivalent of the 5th amendment.

 

I get it that Congress would like for Americans to have the freedom to come forth with their sightings.  Ironically, Congress wants the government to be more forthcoming about what it already knows. 

 

Still, after reading through the congressional transcript doesn't change my mind one bit...a huge waste of time and taxpayer money.

 

I think @umbrarchist might enjoy the 17-page Advanced Space Propulsion Report.

[umbrarchist]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

I think @umbrarchist might enjoy the 17-page Advanced Space Propulsion Report.

 

Probably 30 years ago. Now we just need it to launch Elon Musk.

 

May he Live Long & Suffer

 

On Mars

[frankster]

On 11/21/2024 at 3:27 PM, ProfD said:

*I* have not personally seen or witnessed a higher form of intelligence on earth.  

True....but how would you know if you were?

 

On 11/21/2024 at 3:27 PM, ProfD said:

#1 because for *me* it's about what one can *do* (physical) versus what one *thinks* (mental). 

You think a physical experience is better than a mental one?

 

On 11/21/2024 at 3:27 PM, ProfD said:

In my mind, I can grow the most beautiful garden with every type of fruit and vegetable in it. 

Cool that where most things start.......

 

On 11/21/2024 at 3:27 PM, ProfD said:

But, it's not until I dig in the dirt, plant seeds and water it that I'll have a garden capable of producing fruits and vegetables for consumption.

What if you could just find what you want knowing where there are without having to do the cultivation....a reaping without sowing.

 

On 11/21/2024 at 3:27 PM, ProfD said:

 

Stop streaming bro. 

Cant.......... just love to binge - currently bingeing on "Mindhunters"

 

On 11/21/2024 at 3:27 PM, ProfD said:

Getting older also means it's time to start thinking about minimizing exposure to the grid.  Technology can be a blessing and a curse.

Its the opposite for me.....I am more and more connected to technology than at any other time in my life

 

On 11/25/2024 at 6:14 PM, ProfD said:

Rep. Eric Burlison (Missouri) made the following statement in the congressional report, "OK. And so with that being said, you know, the other statement that has been made that was intriguing to me because--and it is intriguing because my view has been that we are billions of light years away from any other system and the concept that an alien species that is technologically advanced enough to travel billions of light years gets here and somehow is incompetent enough to not survive Earth or crashes is something that I find a little bit farfetched."

None of us knows the situations the pilots of the alien crafts are dealing with....from personal and or social to political(staged subterfuge embargo)

The Reasons for the crash does not denote or reflect a failure of their Science but the limitations of Sentience and Awareness...

The Reasons can be wide or myriad of incalculable amounts and some maybe unfathomable to us...They are not aware of every Contingencies.

 

On 11/25/2024 at 6:14 PM, ProfD said:

Witness David Grusch, a former senior intelligence officer, either could not answer the questions fearing some kind of reprisal or retaliation or he took the equivalent of the 5th amendment.

He gave a direct answer...1:43:00 - 1:43:30

 

On 11/25/2024 at 6:14 PM, ProfD said:

I get it that Congress would like for Americans to have the freedom to come forth with their sightings.  Ironically, Congress wants the government to be more forthcoming about what it already knows. 

Isn't Congress part of the Government...please explain?

 

On 11/26/2024 at 12:33 AM, umbrarchist said:

 

Probably 30 years ago. Now we just need it to launch Elon Musk.

 

May he Live Long & Suffer

 

On Mars

On 11/25/2024 at 6:14 PM, ProfD said:

 

Still, after reading through the congressional transcript doesn't change my mind one bit...a huge waste of time and taxpayer money.

Well for me it was all consuming....loved every minute of it - money well spent

I got some great insight....learnt new phrases and terminologies - very interesting

 

On 11/25/2024 at 6:14 PM, ProfD said:

 

I think @umbrarchist might enjoy the 17-page Advanced Space Propulsion Report.

Yeah I am hoping he reads it and break it down for us

 

On 11/26/2024 at 12:33 AM, umbrarchist said:

 

Probably 30 years ago. Now we just need it to launch Elon Musk.

 

May he Live Long & Suffer

 

On Mars

There goes that..

 

[ProfD]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

True....but how would you know if you were?

A higher form of intelligence would be able to teach and/or do things humans cannot.

 

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

You think a physical experience is better than a mental one?

Yep. For me, I get more satisfaction from what I do versus that which I think about.

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

What if you could just find what you want knowing where there are without having to do the cultivation....a reaping without sowing.

If I walked up on an unattended garden, I wouldn't feel entitled to the *free* food.

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

Cant.......... just love to binge - currently bingeing on "Mindhunters"

 

Its the opposite for me.....I am more and more connected to technology than at any other time in my life

Understood. There's satisfaction in guilty pleasures. Technology can make it easier to be productive and/or sink time. 

 

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

None of us knows the situations the pilots of the alien crafts are dealing with....from personal and or social to political(staged subterfuge embargo)

The Reasons for the crash does not denote or reflect a failure of their Science but the limitations of Sentience and Awareness...

The Reasons can be wide or myriad of incalculable amounts and some maybe unfathomable to us...They are not aware of every Contingencies.

That still runs counter to them being intelligent enough to build spacecraft and travel light-years only to crash land here.

 

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

He gave a direct answer...1:43:00 - 1:43:30

A 30 second answer in hours of empty testimony. 

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

Isn't Congress part of the Government...please explain?

Yep. If there is a cover-up, they're aware if it too. There are congressional committee with access to the most top secret information. 

On 11/27/2024 at 2:48 PM, frankster said:

Well for me it was all consuming....loved every minute of it - money well spent

I got some great insight....learnt new phrases and terminologies - very interesting

Entertainment comes in many forms. Plenty money spent on it.

 

[frankster]

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

A higher form of intelligence would be able to teach and/or do things humans cannot.

Or maybe they just have access to technology or knowledge....they know how to use or operate but themselves do not fully understand.

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Yep. Foe me, I get more satisfaction from what I do versus that which I think about.

Yes you do.....or at least you think that is the way it is - satisfaction and pleasure are mostly mental.

From a Tech perspective....Augmented Virtuality is beginning baby steps into the  Mind's ability to manipulate physicality 

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

If I walked up on an unattended garden, I wouldn't feel entitled to the *free* food.

foraging gathering fishing...... not stealing

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Understood. There's satisfaction in guilty pleasures. Technology can make it easier to be productive and/or sink time. 

true.

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

That still runs counter to them being intelligent enough to build spacecraft and travel light-years only to crash land here.

You guessing they built it....how you know they didn't steal it?? - the possibilities are endless

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

A 30 second answer in hours of empty testimony. 

A direct answer from some one who works with and in our most advance weaponry systems

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Yep. If there is a cover-up, they're aware if it too. There are congressional committee with access to the most top secret information. 

true

 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Entertainment comes in many forms. Plenty money spent on it.

More like infotainment...

[ProfD]

21 hours ago, frankster said:

Or maybe they just have access to technology or knowledge....they know how to use or operate but themselves do not fully understand.

I'd still be slightly curious to know *who* or *what* built technology capable of traveling light-years and crash landing here. 

 

An ignorant or drunk alien at the controls of an advanced spacecraft still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 

 

21 hours ago, frankster said:

Yes you do.....or at least you think that is the way it is - satisfaction and pleasure are mostly mental.

Our brains process satisfaction and pleasure but there's a physical aspect of it too.

 

21 hours ago, frankster said:

foraging gathering fishing...... not stealing

Sure.  As long as it within the *laws* of the land.

21 hours ago, frankster said:

You guessing they built it....how you know they didn't steal it?? - the possibilities are endless

An alien stealing an advanced spacecraft doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. 

21 hours ago, frankster said:

A direct answer from some one who works with and in our most advance weaponry systems

There people who work in top secret areas and/or have access to certain amount of information.  They aren't spilling the beans.  That guy doesn't have the beans to spill.

 

21 hours ago, frankster said:

More like infotainment...

Right.  Some folks are dazzled by audio and visual entertainment.  Other folks can be satisfied with infotainment.  Regardless, the end result is the same...a time sink.

[frankster]

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

I'd still be slightly curious to know *who* or *what* built technology capable of traveling light-years and crash landing here. 

In  Todays vernacular we call then Grays or Ebens believe to be  from the Zeta reticuli  binary star system in the Reticulum Constellation

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

An ignorant or drunk alien at the controls of an advanced spacecraft still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 

Reality is not oblige to make sense....Reality is often stranger than fiction - so that would not surprise me

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Our brains process satisfaction and pleasure but there's a physical aspect of it too.

Question?

Is it possible to Mentally  Processes Satisfaction and Pleasure with out Physical Stimulation?

 

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  As long as it within the *laws* of the land.

Usually is and tends to be seasonal

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

An alien stealing an advanced spacecraft doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. 

It does not have to make sense in order for it to be Real

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

There people who work in top secret areas and/or have access to certain amount of information.  They aren't spilling the beans.  That guy doesn't have the beans to spill.

Its enough for me....Military guys corroborating what used to be called tin foil wearing freaks an kooks info - big step up the ladder of credibility

 

5 hours ago, ProfD said:

 

Right.  Some folks are dazzled by audio and visual entertainment.  Other folks can be satisfied with infotainment.  Regardless, the end result is the same...a time sink.

No matter time and money is going spent....it is about time that some time and money be spent on this topic

Well spent

[ProfD]

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

In  Todays vernacular we call then Grays or Ebens believe to be  from the Zeta reticuli  binary star system in the Reticulum Constellation

We can thank folks like H.G. Wells, Aleister Crowley and Gustav Sandberg for alien illustrations. 

  

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

Reality is not oblige to make sense....Reality is often stranger than fiction - so that would not surprise me

The human imagination is almost boundless.

 

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

Question?

Is it possible to Mentally  Processes Satisfaction and Pleasure with out Physical Stimulation?

Sure.  That's why people drink and do drugs.

 

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

It does not have to make sense in order for it to be Real

There's a reason folks stop believing in Santa Claus before they reach adulthood.

 

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

Its enough for me....Military guys corroborating what used to be called tin foil wearing freaks an kooks info - big step up the ladder of credibility

No shortage of former military folks with high levels of classification who end up Veteran's Administration claiming some kind of mental disability.

 

8 minutes ago, frankster said:

No matter time and money is going spent....it is about time that some time and money be spent on this topic

Well spent

Science fiction is one of the easiest ways to make money.

[frankster]

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

We can thank folks like H.G. Wells, Aleister Crowley and Gustav Sandberg for alien illustrations. 

H.G. Wells wrote about...Aircrafts Tanks Space Travel Nuclear Weapons Satellites World Wide Web Lasers and Genetic Engineering to name a few of the things he was right on.

 

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

The human imagination is almost boundless.

Yes....because Reality is boundless

 

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

Sure.  That's why people drink and do drugs.

It remains true....even when misused or abused

 

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

There's a reason folks stop believing in Santa Claus before they reach adulthood.

Its an Allegory referring to where the human Body Brain and Spirituality intersects with Astronomy/Astrology.

I am already seeing Santa Claus and as Christmas grows closer I am sure to see more....to borrow from @Pioneer1 logics.

 

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

No shortage of former military folks with high levels of classification who end up Veteran's Administration claiming some kind of mental disability.

Even much more are outside of such facilities.

 

15 hours ago, ProfD said:

Science fiction is one of the easiest ways to make money.

Fiction often reveals Truths that Reality Logics and reason is used to obscure.......Fact is a place Fiction has already been

Fiction often anticipates Reality hence why the CIA has a large cadre of agents studying all forms of fiction....contingency planning.

[frankster]

Video starts at 9:25

Opening Testimony starts at 34:30 - 56:49

1:10:28 - 1:12:24 & 1:56:00 - 1:58:00 - drone swarm over Langley Airport

1:51:22 - 1:52:20 - biologics

1:52:22 - 1:53:02 - posturing and positioning physical non verbal communication - kinetics

 

Congress holds a hearing on UAPs, aka UFOs