EconomicCorner010

[richardmurray]

TikTok is the first non usa website to be the biggest esocial website in online humanity. If bytedance sells TikTok wholesale it is a financial mistake Bytedance should sell tiktokusa not tiktok. In Europe/South America/Africa/Asia tiktok is the big leader in the world, selling it completely to a usa buyer is a usa win. It is like the Japanese automakers making manufacturing plants in the usa, when they through competition won the economic car market, it is a usa win. Make TikTokusa TTU and make sure tiktokusa has contractual arrangements that demand an integration/association with TikTok.
Profd , a member of aalbc cited below, said
The next 4 years could be a wild ride in that regard as oligarchs get to pick and choose freedoms.
This morning, I saw the handful of faces of people who could buy ByteDance i.e. TikTok.  None of them were Black.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11431-tiktok-service-restored-ban-suspended/#findComment-71294

Here is my issue. I don't mind a black buyer, though I think financially it is better to have a collection of black owners working together as a group. But for me the larger issue is the argument focuses on buying tiktok, instead of investing in a better online service for black people. 

The film industry of Nigeria, commonly called Nollywood needs an online interface like a tiktok, I rather invest in that. 

I know my words may seem like an attack to PRofd but they are not. My entire life, I have always heard the most financially capable blacks always emphasize investing in non black enterprises and never a word to owning a black owned enterprise. In my life, all to often, it is black people who are financially least capable or incapable who talk about owning black and not investing in non black. The internet is a huge place. Tiktok was not born because chinese were selling to the usa, tiktok is a clone of a chinese website to chinese people. 

I rather a set of black investors invest in AALBC than tiktok. 

 

Prior Post

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11444-economiccorner009/

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Profd , a member of aalbc cited below, said...This morning, I saw the handful of faces of people who could buy ByteDance i.e. TikTok.  None of them were Black.

I know my words may seem like an attack to PRofd but they are not. My entire life, I have always heard the most financially capable blacks always emphasize investing in non black enterprises and never a word to owning a black owned enterprise.

My point was not that a Black person should buy ByteDance (TikTok).

 

The point was there's no singular Black person in America who can afford to buy TikTok.

 

Otherwise, I wholeheartedly believe Black folks should be investing in and building their own economic infrastructure from top to bottom.

 

Jiust like Chinese people do.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

I see , in the 11th economic corner the financial evaluation of the tech industry is exposed as falsely priced so I argue, such imbalanced speculation is a caveat to why a black person can not afford. And that has little to do with black DOSers who unlike the chinese... don't have control of a country/government residing over mostly our own. 

[ProfD]

On average, AfroAmerican churches collect about $11 billion dollars per year. It would be helpful to know how and where they are investing it.

[Pioneer1]

richardmurray

Man, I don't know HOW to vote in your poll.....lol.

But if I were a billionaire, I would invest atleast 10% of my wealth into Black businesses.

Some would ask:  10%???  Is that all?

I would reply:  It's MY MONEY nigga.
But I'd also reply:  10% is a large chunk of money to invest in any arena.  Especially if it's not YOUR business and you have a very limited amount of control over how it operates and how it generates it's revenue.

Keep in mind, I said "atleast".
I would hit on Black businesses I think are going to take off and we'll see from there.
It may be much more.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

On 1/28/2025 at 8:42 PM, ProfD said:

On average, AfroAmerican churches collect about $11 billion dollars per year. It would be helpful to know how and where they are investing it.

wow! is that true Profd? wow! I will have to spend an edition of the economic corner figuring out how to research where the black church invest, this is a great point, thank you Profd well done. 

[richardmurray]

@Pioneer1 

21 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Man, I don't know HOW to vote in your poll.....lol.

you are a fellow male:) hit the circle you like:) look at the gif

Based on your answer, you would click the circle left of SOME BLACK MOST NON BLACK

 

And that is ok, you are not the first black person i heard who said they would invest the least in the black community and I don't think it is a problem or a negative. My only issue is when black people who have millions or more don't invest most in the black community but then demand working black people who don't even have hundreds of thousands invest all of there money in the black community. In fiscal capitalism it is always the wealthiest who are relied upon, in all communities, not the fiscal poor.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

wow! is that true Profd? wow! I will have to spend an edition of the economic corner figuring out how to research where the black church invest, this is a great point, thank you Profd well done. 

While you're at it, also look up how much money Black folks spend in gross consumerism. 

 

Just those figures combined would show a huge amount of money to invest in a Black economic infrastructure.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

While you're at it, also look up how much money Black folks spend in gross consumerism. 

I know all about Black consumer spending. But consumer spending doesn't yield to infrastructure growth. I will give as an example the white consumer spending in the usa. I know you have a different assessment to financial history in the usa than me, so i comprehend that some of my points don't add up for you. But for me... for me,  white consumer's didn't build the infrastructure of the white populace in the usa. I can take NYC as the best example. I am 100% certain Rich whites built the entire city. Poor whites/working whites didn't do a damn thing. The public transit, the libraries, the schools, none of that is from white consumers in NYC, Profd, you think white consumer spending is why colombia and nyu exist? 

Now if you are arguing that Black Consumerism in the usa can be used to build an infrastructure to the black populace in the usa,  I will say that it can. But, I challenge anyone to provide a comparative example that blacks can mirror. Whites in the usa have always had military power black people never had and isn't easy to get enslaved, whites were shipped to the usa by their cousins in europe and were allowed to annihilate first peoples of the americas. White jews are a minority, a far smaller populace, compared to blacks and have never been denied financial opportunity aside other whites in the usa, so you can't compare blacks to white jews. Asians are another historically very minor populace , far smaller than the black populace, and have always been allowed financial opportunity unlike blacks. The thing about black dosers is no one is like us, we don't have a comparative group in humanity. The details are not the same, and the details matter. 

So, even though USA financial history shows no groups consumer dollars built their infrastructure, if blacks in the usa are to build an infrastructure through consumer spending, i challenge anyone to show another community in a comparative situation anywhere on earth , that has done it? If you can't provide a group in a comparative situation to Black DOSers anywhere in human history that have used their consumer dollars to build their infrastructure then ... what is the thing never before done in humanity that can get it to work? 

I will not negate the possibility but lets honest about its framing. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I know all about Black consumer spending. But consumer spending doesn't yield to infrastructure growth.

What do Black folks have to show for their gross consumerism?

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Now if you are arguing that Black Consumerism in the usa can be used to build an infrastructure to the black populace in the usa,  I will say that it can. But, I challenge anyone to provide a comparative example that blacks can mirror. 

 

The thing about black dosers is no one is like us, we don't have a comparative group in humanity. The details are not the same, and the details matter. 

It's not about a comparative example or following another group.  It's about investing versus spending.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

if blacks in the usa are to build an infrastructure through consumer spending, i challenge anyone to show another community in a comparative situation anywhere on earth , that has done it?

Again, consumer spending isn't going to build a black economic infrastructure.  Investing in the things we consume is the key.

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

If you can't provide a group in a comparative situation to Black DOSers anywhere in human history that have used their consumer dollars to build their infrastructure then ... what is the thing never before done in humanity that can get it to work?

Reads like you believe I'm suggesting that consumer spending will build infrastructure. 

 

To be more clear...I'm suggesting that investing the money we spend consuming would be put to better use in building our own economic infrastructure.

 

For example, Nike has made Michael Jordan rich but Jordan's name has made Nike wealthy.

 

Before Nike got their hooks into him, imagine if Michael Jordan had been surrounded by people who could encourage him to brand himself.  Several businesses could have built around his name. 

 

Right now, Jordan could be the king of athletic wear.  Pulling in every other superstar Black athlete and entertainer would have created a Jordan industry.

 

For whatever reason, despite having Black folks educated in every aspect of American business, yet we don't own a huge percentage of the sports and entertainment industries we dominate.

 

All of the groups you have mentioned practice some form of group economics 101.  That's how they build wealth and finance other endeavors. 

 

The funniest thing is that most groups of people do not prolifically produce a Michael Jackson, Prince, Michael Jordan, Oprah Winfrey, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James,  Jay-Z or Beyonce, etc.  Individuals around whom to build a brand or an industry. 

 

I get it that we would like to see those types of individuals pool their wealth and build the Black economic infrastructure.  We have to provide them with blueprints before the white folks do.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

What do Black folks have to show for their gross consumerism?

 

Nothing in terms of black infrastructure in the usa, but, the why is key. the past matters and the past isnt' 1865 the past is the 1980s. when nyc for example placed how many black people in prison, made a small business administration of nyc that doesn't have opportunities for convicts or exconvicts. NYC has carver , a black owned bank, but I only know one black person who received a loan from them and they have an very above average portfolio. Again, how can the black man put in prison in 1985 ever start a business, unless someone literally gives them money outside the system? And wealthy blacks in nyc, for which there are many , and growing in percentage, don't seem to have time to spend any money helping the many black men serving time as we speak for marijuana selling, which of course is legal now in nyc. I don't deny that it will be nice if black dollars circulate more in the black community , But the reason why they don't isn't black laziness. 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

It's not about a comparative example or following another group.  It's about investing versus spending.

well, you are not the first black person to speak to me concerning this topic and I told them offline what I will now tell you online.... the only people who are comparable to Black DOSers is the First Peoples of the Americas aka the Native American. Cause all the other people that I have heard black people offline mention who invest and don't spend all have a financial history of allowance black DOSers don't have. White Asians/Chinese, allowed to own businesses when DOSers were not, have a foreign country that DOSers do not. White Europeans.. have been able to take everything by gunpoint which DOSers can not, white jews, a very small populace which DOSers are not plus they have been embedded into the financial backbone of the global white market as operators not commodities whereas DOSers were commodities. 

I do comprehend your argument profd, it is an old one from the 1800s in the black populace in the usa, it is not something new, but the failure of black investment into the black community by the black financially common people isn't from their own actions. Yes 2009 to 2025 is sixteen years but your belief in finance is such you think sixteen years can undo the damage of centuries, and against fellow groups in the usa, barring the first peoples who were allowed to gain or lose multiple fortunes in that same time ? But, your correct, black consumers can do better with investing into the black populace in the usa. 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

For example, Nike has made Michael Jordan rich but Jordan's name has made Nike wealthy.

yeah and the owner of Nike was able to get financial assistance, black farm owners in the usa still can't get loans from the bank even after their miraculous ability to have retained land or retained a position as a landowning clan  from the 1800s in many cases. I comprehend you Profd. But, I will argue I don't see how the usa will make it happen. I know black people from the continent have done some things but they have leverage outside the usa, which dosers don't have. I just don't see how DOSers fit these models of other groups: whites/white asians/white jews/black people from the continent/caribbean. we either have too many people , don't have an external community outside the usa, or have a well earned disheartened status to enthusiasm in a land that has been, terrible for us. the usa experience shouldn't make a black dosers enthused about the usa, in all earnest. and most importantly, i don't think it does. 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Before Nike got their hooks into him, imagine if Michael Jordan had been surrounded by people who could encourage him to brand himself.  Several businesses could have built around his name. 

 

Right now, Jordan could be the king of athletic wear.  Pulling in every other superstar Black athlete and entertainer would have created a Jordan industry.

Well I will say one thing to that , remember when Ray Allen hired his own lawyer, instead of using an agent. In my home me and my blood relatives figured all black athletes should do that, but you see, that didn't become common. Why? agents in the sport/entertainment world are many, usually white, and are very toxic. You see it with female athletes of all phenotypes. So... It is beyond Nike, it is the culture of slavery in sports+ entertainment. The agent is the slaver. the athlete/musicians is the enslaved. 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

I get it that we would like to see those types of individuals pool their wealth and build the Black economic infrastructure.  We have to provide them with blueprints before the white folks do.

but do they need a blueprint? A blueprint suggest they need a plan that can lead to something . why not risk into the unknown? 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Nothing in terms of black infrastructure in the usa, but, the why is key. the past matters and the past isnt' 1865 the past is the 1980s..

Do you know how many billions of dollars pass through Black folks hands every year?

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

I don't deny that it will be nice if black dollars circulate more in the black community , But the reason why they don't isn't black laziness. 

It's not laziness. Ignorance and self-defeatism and victim mentality aren't productive either. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

but the failure of black investment into the black community by the black financially common people isn't from their own actions.

Self-hate is definitely a problem though. 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

But, your correct, black consumers can do better with investing into the black populace in the usa. 

Sure we can redirect some portion of the billions of dollars that flow through our hands into our own infrastructure instead of giving it back to other groups of people mainly whites and asians. 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

...it is the culture of slavery in sports+ entertainment. The agent is the slaver. the athlete/musicians is the enslaved. 

Black folks know better across the board but have been mentally and physically enslaved to the system of racism white supremacy. 

 

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

but do they need a blueprint? A blueprint suggest they need a plan that can lead to something . why not risk into the unknown? 

Slaves need a plan of escape and the resources to remain free.

 

Black folks can use the money that flows through our hands to secure liberation and build an infrastructure to insure that we are never enslaved again. 

 

Unfortunately, the system of racism white supremacy is a sophisticated prison in which Black folks have gotten comfortable to live, work and play.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Do you know how many billions of dollars pass through Black folks hands every year?

I don't know the exact number, but I know it is more than some countries per year. And as I have said, I concur that Black DOSers specifically can invest more. I concur to that. I think we differ on the scale in which black people can invest as well as well the things we should invest in. I don't know where you live, nor am I asking, but I can speak for NYC, which has the largest black community in any city in the usa. Most people in NYC are struggling to pay rent month to month, when i say people i mean Black + Non Black , so I don't know how much can be invested per capita/per head. 

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

It's not laziness. Ignorance and self-defeatism and victim mentality aren't productive either. 

Ignorance I concur to you 100% , we need to know more about financial investment individually or as groups. But those other two claims, of self defeatism or victim mentality, when a black man is in prison for selling marijuna while it is now legal, is his negative tone self defeatism , victim mentality, or the truth? I do concur that black individuals or groups in the usa can dwell on negativity, extremely at times.

But, has not the Black experience in the USA been negative? 

At least in my view, it has always been negative, always or mostly. Yes, some black people do have positive stories, happy stories. I can think on myself , my upbringing was full of joy, even some opportunity. But, just because I had my rearing or have my life in the usa,which is positive, doesn't mean the majority of black people who are negative are being self defeating or victim mentalist, they are being honest. They like their forebears are in a country that has never been a friend and they don't feel inspired Profd. Yeah, they don't feel inspired. Black people I know offline talk of self defeatigm or victim mentality to the larger black populace and I tell them they are wrong. 

Again, FRederick Douglass made your point circa one hundred and fifty years ago. and Black people booed him correctly. Yes, Frederick Douglass , formerly enslaved, bought into the USA, like yourself Profd, like many other blacks from that time till now but most Blacks haven't bought into the USA and that is warranted negativity. Yes, it is negative, but it isn't self defeatism or victim mentality, it is a warranted. 

Someone offline once asked me, the key question, shouldn't a black person in the usa be positively engaged in the usa for themselves? and I answered I can't think of why that should be true. I can accept the choice, I know many black people offline who are doing positive things. Doing as you will respect Profd. I even argue I am one of those people doing positive things. But, I don't think when a black DOSer has quit in the usa, while negative, it isn't unwarranted, it is part of the Black DOSer tradition. 

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black folks know better across the board but have been mentally and physically enslaved to the system of racism white supremacy. 

well yeah and so has the entire global sports industry, all in humanity . But my point was the environment. You talk of investment but the average musician or athlete has a horde of agents around them, mostly non black WHILE some black, who are leeches and in everything they do support leech behavior. It may seem easy to escape that but it isn't. That is why I do like "He Got Game" by Spike Lee, in terms of showing youth entertainment. It is more than white supremacy, it is one word, slavery. All these people looking to own you and slavery is a very inviting culture in fiscal capitalism cause fiscal capitalism is never better than when you have a slave. 

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Slaves need a plan of escape and the resources to remain free.

 

Black folks can use the money that flows through our hands to secure liberation and build an infrastructure to insure that we are never enslaved again. 

resources... well that is the trick isn't it, fights over resources was the entire point of the commonly called world wars or cold war whom I call the three  phases of the white european imperial wars. Resources... in all earnest, is a discussion that most involve talk of war and black DOSers definitely don't have that in them. The centuries of the enslavements to whites in the european colonies plus the usa after have made that a hard thing, honestly. 

 

well..never enslaved again... let me tell you, all things happen again, the white jew will be slaughtered again, blacks will be shackled again... but blacks will also be rulers of all again, nature + history prove, all things come again, they do, you can argue the usa is the return of the roman empire, no not exactly the same, nothing ever is, but yet similar. I am 100% certain black people in the future will have a positive time most black people today can't believe. 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Unfortunately, the system of racism white supremacy is a sophisticated prison in which Black folks have gotten comfortable to live, work and play.

I have to add a comfort black people themselves wanted. Again, the history of the DOS community is clear, many of our leaders or people when the war between the states ended, preached and guided us into being comfortable as part of embracing the usa. Your word suggest a trick. No, black people were not tricked, black leaders made a choice Profd. The history is there, the black churches voted on what to do during reconstruction when black women were being burned alive by whites. They chose non violence. this is nonviolence. The goal of the nonviolent isn't for a black community that is self sufficient and infrastructured and defending itself, which is why it had and has opponents in the black leadership who wanted and want self sufficiency or infrastructure or defense. The goal of the nonviolent is for a black community that is seamlessly integrated into the non black. Which has been achieved mostly.

Can not black individuals become billionaires in the usa? yes 

Can not black individuals become president of the usa? yes

Can not black individuals mate and frolic with the non black in the usa? yes

Those questions were the goal of the nonviolent movement from frederick douglass through MLK jr to Obama. 

Remember, Frederick Douglass opposed the exodusters whose goal was to have land ownership as the corner stone of self sufficiency + infrastructure development. And his reasons was the exodusters goals allowed for whites to be more negative to the black individual who isn't an exoduster and may be among whites mostly in the usa. 

MLK jr opposed the panthers , who wanted to use the threat of violence and violence if need be to protect black people from white violence. And his reasons was the panthers goals led to an endangerment to black individuals who are not armed or can't defend themselves as well as an inevitability to the fracturing of the usa, which in his mind like douglass before or obama after has a potential to be a human country that should be ventured to by all. 

Obama opposes Black legislative agendas, which have never occured in the usa and would have the effect of galvanizing black peoples engagement in government. And his reasons was it again, broke the potential of the usa. 

you say, black folks have gotten comfortable as if our leaders didn't guide us to this situation purposefully. yes I don't concur to them but it  isn't a white trick, it is an internal black issue. 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Most people in NYC are struggling to pay rent month to month, when i say people i mean Black + Non Black , so I don't know how much can be invested per capita/per head. 

Whatever monies are being spent on non-essential items i.e. drugs, cigarettes, alcohol, junk food, hair weave, etc., could be invested in a productive endeavor.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

when a black man is in prison for selling marijuna while it is now legal, is his negative tone self defeatism , victim mentality, or the truth?

That person has to take responsibility for the choices they made.  They broke the laws.  They knew the consequences. 

 

Many of my friends and associates have chosen to take those risks.  They run the gamut from the cemetery to prison; struggling to successful and everything in between.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I do concur that black individuals or groups in the usa can dwell on negativity, extremely at times.

But, has not the Black experience in the USA been negative? 

Absolutely.  The Black experience has been negative.  We cannot dwell or wallow in it. 

 

Many Black folks past to present have not allowed the negativity of our history to keep them in a holding pattern of defeatism, victimhood, despair, etc.  They have made lemonade out of lemons.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

FRederick Douglass made your point circa one hundred and fifty years ago. and Black people booed him correctly.

Frederick Douglass is a recurring figure in your posts regarding the station of Black folks.  I get it. 

 

Douglass, Garvey, Washington, DuBois, etc., are not keeping Black folks from investing in themselves.

 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

 But my point was the environment. You talk of investment but the average musician or athlete has a horde of agents around them, mostly non black WHILE some black, who are leeches and in everything they do support leech behavior.

Just as you can recite the history of Black America from the 1800s up to present, there are Black folks who know better when it comes to how the system of racism white supremacy keeps our people enslaved. 

 

For one reason or three, there are Black people who choose to be complicit in maintaining the oppression.

 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

resources... well that is the trick isn't it...

Not when Black folks are wasting the resources they do have on unnecessary things.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I have to add a comfort black people themselves wanted. Again, the history of the DOS community is clear, many of our leaders or people when the war between the states ended, preached and guided us into being comfortable as part of embracing the usa.

You can continue preaching that historical reference just as I'll keep stomping against the system of racism white supremacy.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Can not black individuals become billionaires in the usa? yes 

Can not black individuals become president of the usa? yes

Can not black individuals mate and frolic with the non black in the usa? yes

Black people can do anything if they have a desire to do so.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

you say, black folks have gotten comfortable as if our leaders didn't guide us to this situation purposefully. yes I don't concur to them but it  isn't a white trick, it is an internal black issue. 

The disconnect in our dialog is that I refuse to wallow in blaming our condition on past Black leadership.  We have to be proactive.

 

Black folks know better.  We can do better. 

 

IMO, Black folks are lacking strong leadership among the various Black tribes capable of codifying an agenda and plan of action that liberates us from the prison of racism white supremacy.

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

just for the record I never said black people in prison weren't taking responsibility or accepting consequence. I am saying they are accepting consequence while have a dislike of the usa to the core that is warranted, you think is dysfunctional. 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

The disconnect in our dialog is that I refuse to wallow in blaming our condition on past Black leadership.  We have to be proactive.

Well, I will say that the modern black populace in the usa is wealthier than ever before and has a growth arc so overall , the financial activities of blacks, all tribes is getting better. For it to be faster most blacks have to love the usa and most blacks don't. 

8 hours ago, ProfD said:

IMO, Black folks are lacking strong leadership among the various Black tribes capable of codifying an agenda and plan of action that liberates us from the prison of racism white supremacy.

Yeah, black leadership hasn't recovered well from all the murders in the 1900s. I will say when each tribe admits their reality, it will display some tribes want a merger with the nonblack that will never allow a freedom from non blacks. I think a truthful leadership right now in each tribe is the most functional need. Cause too many tribes have leaders who lie.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I am saying they are accepting consequence while have a dislike of the usa to the core that is warranted, you think is dysfunctional.

I wouldn't consider a prisoner's dislike of the US as dysfunctional.  Everyone is entitled to their own feelings. 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Well, I will say that the modern black populace in the usa is wealthier than ever before and has a growth arc so overall , the financial activities of blacks, all tribes is getting better. For it to be faster most blacks have to love the usa and most blacks don't. 

Love has little or nothing to do with building wealth. 

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I will say when each tribe admits their reality, it will display some tribes want a merger with the nonblack that will never allow a freedom from non blacks.

If a tribe chooses to go in that direction, the best another tribe can do is present a better offer.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

I think a truthful leadership right now in each tribe is the most functional need. Cause too many tribes have leaders who lie.

Unlike relationships, it seems people will accept lies and other shortcomings as long as leadership is highly effective in making their lives better.

 

 

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

47 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I wouldn't consider a prisoner's dislike of the US as dysfunctional.  Everyone is entitled to their own feelings. 

well yes, everyone is entitled to their own feelings but t the issue of financial activity, if a person doesn't feel positive about a place, they will not want to invest in said place. 

49 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Love has little or nothing to do with building wealth. 

Well I don't invest in something I think negatively about. And I am 100% certain I am not alone in that. So if I sense an investment connects to a place I dislike or hate I will not invest in it and I think I am not alone.

53 minutes ago, ProfD said:

If a tribe chooses to go in that direction, the best another tribe can do is present a better offer.

Interesting, i thought the best thing a tribe can do for another tribe in the village with an aspect that is elementally oppose is to wish them well, or let them be. Why prosyletize? how do we define freedom? The Black Republican tribe in the usa since the 1960s to modernity has been presenting what they think is a better offer to all other tribes. In my mind it is impossible for all tribes in the black populace of the usa to act analagous, the truth. So, if all tribes are being honest, why preach to each other? 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Unlike relationships, it seems people will accept lies and other shortcomings as long as leadership is highly effective in making their lives better.

In modernity, currently, I can't think of a lying leader in humanity who has made the lives of the masses that follow them better.

I think lying leaders succeed when people are used to impotent leaders so the people , correctly, give up on expecting positive quality leadership and allow the one who talks up the passions most , even if it is based on lies. 

Michelle Obama once said , when they go low we go high, a lie in implication. Again, NYC is full of people usually non black who commit illegalities or crimes every day for financial profit, they are going low. How is going high a balancer or empowering action, financially? If my neighbor is making money criminally + illegally absent penalty, I am not going to make more than them legally or civilly. NYC is proof of that fact every day. When they go low we go lower is the truth. You want to financially succeed you have to go lower. You may not want to hear history Profd but history proves that infinite times. Black DOSers love the moral high ground passion.

Al Sharpton had a National Action Network speech this january , talking about the need to galvanize for the DEI. And that was a lie in procedure. The DEI movement failed and something new must be tried is the truth. The try again heritage in the black populace in the usa is a failure, that is the truth. and again Black DOSers love the moral high ground nonviolent passion. 

 

[ProfD]

57 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

So if I sense an investment connects to a place I dislike or hate I will not invest in it and I think I am not alone.

Understood. Hopefully you're not consuming in that place either.

 

57 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Interesting, i thought the best thing a tribe can do for another tribe...wish them well, or let them be. Why prosyletize?

Let them be is always the 1st option.

 

57 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

So, if all tribes are being honest, why preach to each other? 

Right. No need to preach to anyone.  Only communicate if there's an dialog or an opportunity to build straegjc alliances.

 

57 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

In modernity, currently, I can't think of a lying leader in humanity who has made the lives of the masses that follow them better.

Politicians track heavily in telling lies and some of them are still effective in making life better for their constituents. 

57 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

You may not want to hear history Profd but h⁴istory proves that infinite times.

I don't have a problem with history. We should never forget it  Wealth building is a different subject though.  

 

57 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

.The DEI movement failed and something new must be tried is the truth. 

Interesting how other groups benefit the most from DEI but they're silent as Black foks take the smoke.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Politicians track heavily in telling lies and some of them are still effective in making life better for their constituents. 

can you name one example? 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

I don't have a problem with history. We should never forget it  Wealth building is a different subject though.  

I concur that financial investment , whether one fails or succeeds is not assessing history. The former is at its root an act of trade, the latter at its root is a scholarly act. 

The problem is the use of assessing history in being honest about financial conditions. Trade by default is about a relation of actions. But all actions have precedent, all actions have history. And most importantly to finance, the sequence of actions from the past to today show the ineffective aspects to all actions. 

For example, many black people talk of Black Tulsa's massacre but what is the financial lesson? 

What are the facts? 

Mostly white city, Tulsa in this case

Black minority in said city

Black minority is financially acting to all the aspects you champion ProfD , those blacks : pooled their pennies/owned property[their homes+businesses]/dollars circulated in black tulsa more than most white places in the usa/they didn't have an allegiance to either party[the community advocates were about aiding their community regardless of party]

Black minority in city had all their wealth burned or taken , with the aid of the white state in the union[Oklahoma], plus the aid of the white federal government of the usa. 

So the lesson is in the ineffectiveness of all the financial actions you suggest when it comes to the health of a black minority populace in a white city. 

In the year 2025 does not the white city of NEw York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami do similar to the white city of Tulsa? yes. so case closed. If you are black in a white city, then why invest in the city indirectly through investing in the black minority? No one can provide one example of black investment in minority in a white city that wasn't unraveled by white governmental power as a majority. Finance didn't have a role to play, that is what history proves in this case.

I am willing to learn of an example, be proven wrong. But I don't know of one. 

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

Interesting how other groups benefit the most from DEI but they're silent as Black foks take the smoke

When you say "other groups" Are you suggesting white women/white jews/white latinos/white asians/white muslims/white lesbians/white gays? Diversity, Equity, Inclusion didn't give them benefits. The response to DEI by white male hetero christians of european descent benefited said other whites; said response was to kill DEI's aid to blacks and embrace other white groups.

White women + white jews for me didn't benefit from the civil rights act cause they already were benefitting as whites in the usa before the act,  they benefited from white male response to hinder/kill the civil rights act  of 1965 while embracing other whites more.

For me, and I comprehend how rare a view I have in the black populace in the usa,  the white minorities or white women don't benefit from DEI or the Civil Rights Act. They benefit from the destruction of said acts. What you call the smoke is the benefit. 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

can you name one example? 

Governor Wes Moore (Maryland) seems to have favorable rating in this job he's doing.

 

In fact, Democrats ,may be grooming Gov. Moore to run for POTUS in 2028.

 

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

IBut all actions have precedent, all actions have history. And most importantly to finance, the sequence of actions from the past to today show the ineffective aspects to all actions. 

We're supposed to learn from history in order to do better in the future.  We're cannot wallow in it.

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

For example, many black people talk of Black Tulsa's massacre but what is the financial lesson? 

What are the facts? 

Mostly white city, Tulsa in this case

Black minority in said city

 

So the lesson is in the ineffectiveness of all the financial actions you suggest when it comes to the health of a black minority populace in a white city. 

Up to present, Black folks are not equipped, prepared or encouraged to defend themselves.

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

In the year 2025 does not the white city of NEw York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Miami do similar to the white city of Tulsa? yes. so case closed. If you are black in a white city, then why invest in the city indirectly through investing in the black minority?

Black folks are investing in the white cities by consuming there. 

 

If the minority Black population in a white city isn't going to leave it, they might as well build their own infrastructure there and support it. 

 

There's no shortage of Chinatowns in American cities.  

 

7 hours ago, richardmurray said:

For me, and I comprehend how rare a view I have in the black populace in the usa,  the white minorities or white women don't benefit from DEI or the Civil Rights Act. They benefit from the destruction of said acts.

However you choose to comprehend it, just know that other groups of people benefit from Civil Rights and DEI more than Black folks. 

 

But, you're right, as white folks are attacking DEI, they're making it seem like a special program mainly for Black folks.  That's not the case.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD 

21 hours ago, ProfD said:

We're supposed to learn from history in order to do better in the future.

i think all humans being learn but the question is what do they learn? 

I think in our village, we often don't comprehend what each other has learned or worse, we want to change what each other has learned. 

21 hours ago, ProfD said:

Up to present, Black folks are not equipped, prepared or encouraged to defend themselves.

yes, plus Black folks in the usa do not live in isolation, never been isolated, never been segregated. Black people in large parts of the caribbean or africa or some parts of south america or asia live in black countries. the usa isn't a black country, and thus, defending ourselves in the usa has always come with opposition that is historically insurmountable. Defending a populace has militaristic realities. This is why white jews wanted to make israel, all the money in the world, infrasturcture building, or financial planning,  didn't save them from the white christian majority in germany burning and hacking and  killing once inspired. No minority is ever safe from the majority in any government in human history. Hell 25% of jews in usa were so worried about being exposed in the usa, they didn't want the usa to accept jews from europe. So... you are correct, but please say it all. Your words seem to suggest a minority populace can actually defend itself against a majority, non have ever in humanity, eventually they fall. 

 

21 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black folks are investing in the white cities by consuming there. 

 

If the minority Black population in a white city isn't going to leave it, they might as well build their own infrastructure there and support it. 

 

There's no shortage of Chinatowns in American cities.  

Might as well build their own infrastructure there and support it? 

When I first read those words I admit I felt you had not read anything I wrote, but I comprehend, this is your positivity thing. Ok, 

White asians are white. When NEw York was new amsterdam, black people were legally enslaved and white asians were allowed to own businesses... It isn't comparative. I accept your positivity, but incomparisons are not financially honest. 

21 hours ago, ProfD said:

However you choose to comprehend it, just know that other groups of people benefit from Civil Rights and DEI more than Black folks. 

 

But, you're right, as white folks are attacking DEI, they're making it seem like a special program mainly for Black folks.  That's not the case.

Well.. this is one of those issues where the truth is up for grabs. You suggest I am lying. and I comprehend that with no malice. I will say, only hindsight will truly prove who is correct in their assessment. 

I am not speaking about non blacks attacking DEI, I am speaking about whites: women/asians/lgbtq+ having opportunities + advantages blacks didn't or don't have regardless of the civil rights act or DEI that makes the financial relationship they have to such programs different than Black people. To restate, Black people needed the civil rights act/ DEI , but white women/ white asians like the chinese/white jews or muslims/ white latinos didn't need the civil rights act or DEI. Those two legislations helped them but more in getting the main body of whites to embrace them more while killing or harming those programs that blacks needed. 

[ProfD]

8 hours ago, richardmurray said:

i think all humans being learn but the question is what do they learn? 

I think in our village, we often don't comprehend what each other has learned or worse, we want to change what each other has learned. 

We need to do a better job of sharing information and using outlets (music, TV/film, books, etc.) to reinforce the messages. 

 

The white media keeps its populace informed 24/7/365.

 

8 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So... you are correct, but please say it all. Your words seem to suggest a minority populace can actually defend itself against a majority, non have ever in humanity, eventually they fall. 

My words do not suggest that Black folks can defend themselves.  I wrote that we are not equipped, prepared or encouraged to do so. 

 

Many Black folks are afraid that we would get slaughtered in a civil war.

 

The reality is that as long as Black folks are defenseless, it's easier to destroy anything we build. 

 

Black folks definitely aren't like the Muslims who are willing to die fighting imperialism.

 

 

8 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Might as well build their own infrastructure there and support it? 

When I first read those words I admit I felt you had not read anything I wrote, but I comprehend, this is your positivity thing. Ok, 

White asians are white. When NEw York was new amsterdam, black people were legally enslaved and white asians were allowed to own businesses... It isn't comparative. I accept your positivity, but incomparisons are not financially honest. 

I've read everything you've written. 

 

Black folks have shown they can build in the past when it was necessary. 

 

Modern technology makes it easier to communicate from anywhere. 

 

It would be harder for white folks to destroy a place like they did in Tulsa. 

  

Former military folks and gang-bangers can set up a defense force.

 

 

8 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Well.. this is one of those issues where the truth is up for grabs. You suggest I am lying. and I comprehend that with no malice. I will say, only hindsight will truly prove who is correct in their assessment. 

Of course, I'm not accusing you of lying because we're all entitled to our opinions.

 

8 hours ago, richardmurray said:

To restate, Black people needed the civil rights act/ DEI , but white women/ white asians like the chinese/white jews or muslims/ white latinos didn't need the civil rights act or DEI. Those two legislations helped them but more in getting the main body of whites to embrace them more while killing or harming those programs that blacks needed. 

I think you're missing my point. 

 

I'm not suggesting that other groups needed DEI or civil rights.  They may not have asked for it. 

 

I believe those other groups received the benefits of DEI and civil rights as a slap in the face of Black folks.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I wrote that we are not equipped, prepared or encouraged to do so. 

ok, well no minority in any country  has ever been in human history equipped, prepared, encouraged.

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The reality is that as long as Black folks are defenseless, it's easier to destroy anything we build. 

well black people in the minority anywhere as any minority anywhere are defenseless.

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Black folks definitely aren't like the Muslims who are willing to die fighting imperialism.

which black folks to which muslims? Are you talking about blacks who live in the jungles of northern south america, descended from blacks who killed to get out of slavery, rejecting the white world outside? or are you relating them to muslims in europe who went to oxford and have white christian german wives or girlfriends working for the world bank and united nations?   

Some Blacks folks are willing to die fighting imperialism, most are not. Many muslims are willing to sell out to the christian empires, but not all.

Remember, the IRA, was only a few hundred people. Most irish people in ireland weren't willing to die fighting imperialism. Those that did made one hell of a statement. 

The question is how organized are the blacks willing to die fighting imperialism among themselves, not in connection to other blacks or non blacks. 

Most black homes preach nonviolence so it makes sense nonviolence is predominant. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

It would be harder for white folks to destroy a place like they did in Tulsa. 

I wish I could say I was certain this was true. 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Of course, I'm not accusing you of lying because we're all entitled to our opinions.

It is no shame to be accused of lying when it is the truth.  Opinion means an idea, but the opinion is fact in hindsight thus the opinion is a lie until proven elsewise. 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I think you're missing my point. 

 

I'm not suggesting that other groups needed DEI or civil rights.  They may not have asked for it. 

 

I believe those other groups received the benefits of DEI and civil rights as a slap in the face of Black folks.

I see, more and more white people receive all the benefits of being white, the majority, in the usa . Yeah , the black leadership definitely slapped themselves, considering DEI is going the way of the Civil Rights Act oo 1963.Why did Black Leadership try the same thing ? 

[ProfD]

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

ok, well no minority in any country  has ever been in human history equipped, prepared, encouraged.

well black people in the minority anywhere as any minority anywhere are defenseless.

I thought the story of David and Goliath meant something.  A slingshot and a rock.

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

which black folks to which muslims?

Fair point.  One tribal approach doesn't apply to all. 

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Remember, the IRA, was only a few hundred people. Most irish people in ireland weren't willing to die fighting imperialism. Those that did made one hell of a statement. 

Exactly.

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

The question is how organized are the blacks willing to die fighting imperialism among themselves, not in connection to other blacks or non blacks. 

Million dollar question.  Not very well organized.

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Most black homes preach nonviolence so it makes sense nonviolence is predominant. 

 

True.  One of the greatest Civil Rights leader preached non-violence.  Black folks have been stuck in that holding pattern.  Mainly to your point that we're out-numbered.

 

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

It is no shame to be accused of lying when it is the truth.  Opinion means an idea, but the opinion is fact in hindsight thus the opinion is a lie until proven elsewise. 

I cannot accuse someone of lying when neither of us knows the truth.  It doesn't make a difference anyway.

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

I see, more and more white people receive all the benefits of being white, the majority, in the usa .

Right.  White folks are double-dipping.  They enjoy the privileges of being white.  White women get minority contracts.

 

7 minutes ago, richardmurray said:

Yeah , the black leadership definitely slapped themselves, considering DEI is going the way of the Civil Rights Act oo 1963.Why did Black Leadership try the same thing ? 

Black folks have been devoid of real leadership for quite some time. 

 

The Black folk speaking on our behalf are stuck in the old mentality of begging white folks for opportunities.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

9 hours ago, ProfD said:

I thought the story of David and Goliath meant something.  A slingshot and a rock.

well done, good fun, funny how bullied children never think to use the story:)

 

I will say like many stories in the book it came from propoganda is amazing, the philistines had a smaller kingdom to the jews. The irony is that goliath's people were the minority and david's was the majority:)

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Million dollar question.  Not very well organized.

And for blacks who are willing to commit violence in the usa not an simple idea. The IRA in defense always had a single, straightforward goal that most irish in ireland wanted even if only a few were willing to die for it, and that is a free ireland from england.

What straightforward goal do most blacks in the usa want even if most blacks in the usa are unwilling to die for it? I have no idea. You?

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right.  White folks are double-dipping.  They enjoy the privileges of being white.  White women get minority contracts.

yeah.

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Black folks have been devoid of real leadership for quite some time. 

 

The Black folk speaking on our behalf are stuck in the old mentality of begging white folks for opportunities.

yeah , why don't you lead Profd?:) you can do it

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

well done, good fun...

It is good to maintain a sense of humor despite everything else.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

And for blacks who are willing to commit violence in the usa not an simple idea.

 

What straightforward goal do most blacks in the usa want even if most blacks in the usa are unwilling to die for it? I have no idea. You?

Correct.  It doesn't make sense for Black folks to resort to violence in the absence of an agenda or goal. I'm not advocating aggressive violence.

 

I do believe Black folks should be equipped and prepared to defend themselves if preyed upon and/or in order to protect their community and assets.

 

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

yeah , why don't you lead Profd?:) you can do it

I would lead if/when called upon to do so.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

19 minutes ago, ProfD said:

It doesn't make sense for Black folks to resort to violence in the absence of an agenda or goal. I'm not advocating aggressive violence.

Yes, absent a collective goal. Though maybe the collective goal for black dosers is an individual goal. 

Maybe most black DOSers in the usa do have a similar agenda, which even makes sense based on black homes and black leaders in the past. I suggest, absent any true proof, a majority of black dosers in the usa in the year 2025 have the same goal or agenda; said agenda or goal is individual aspirations.

What say you?  I have thought about this.

 

So I will have to adjust the economic corner post I have planned, but for now on I will try to cognize the two types of tribes in the black populace in the usa, and speak on the economic corner from the two different tribe types agenda/goals.

 

The largest tribe, quantity wise, DOSers with its Individual Aspirations.

 

All the smaller tribes  , who have communal agendas/goals with variances. They all tend to utilize individual pathways made by DOSers.

• The first set of smaller tribes, quantity wise, modern immigrant: Jamaicans, Nigerians,Aborigine. They tend to send money overseas to their country of descendence. Tend to be part of focused communal activities through community centers, nothing grand or expansive. 
• The second set of smaller tribes, quantity wise, of First People some call Native American[black seminoles or others] Their primary communal activities are in helping their reservations or paying for legal services to get recognition as indigenous in the usa. 
• The third set of smaller tribes, quantity wise, these are cultural groups mostly DOSer: Nation of Islam/Beta Israel[the guys that yell at working black women ]/Black Jews[accepted by white jews, i knew someone from them, they have been around in harlem for a long time]/Black Panthers/Black Nationalist/Garveyites... These groups tend to not have a specific geographic relationship or a status need like the other two , and usually are, not always, very restrictive to membership, which aids in their communal activity, but none expand well in the black populace in the usa. 

 

And the individual aspirations agenda of the DOSers influences most of the smaller tribes.

• Women from African or LGBTQ+ from the Caribbean smaller tribes tend to embrace the DOSers Individual Aspirations mandate because while they like their small community it tends to relate to them negatively or restrictively whereas the DOSer agenda allows for them to breath.
• Since before the USA was born , black first people have existed in plain sight, alot of times, not making a grandiose of their culture, disliking non black first peoples while allowed to be among DOSers with the Individual Agenda/Goal. 
• The NAtion of Islam or Black Jews or similar tribes tend to not be influenced by the DOSer individual agenda while they don't embrace Black individuals who don't fit all of their criteria. So it is balanced.

 

I am a member of a smaller tribe in the third set. But yeah, our dialog has made me realize, the individual is the communal agenda/goal for a majority of Black DOSers, sequentially why it appears poorly when judged by the activities of smaller tribes who have a collective communal goal. JAmaicans for example have an investment but it isn't about Black it is about Jamaican. The jamaicans and trinidadiand and haitians in NYC can come together for the west indian day parade but usually do not financially invest in each other, and don't invest in the various african. The various african can invest in mosque or churches but rarely invest in fiscal activities together.And the DOSer individual mandate as the majority populace allows for all the smaller tribes activities to be embraced under the Individual Agenda/goal. Individualism advantage for Black DOSers as a philosophy is it, allows for all actions under it with no demand for communal quality. Communal quality is merely an after effect, not a mandatory. 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, richardmurray said:

Yes, absent a collective goal. Though maybe the collective goal for black dosers is an individual goal.

 

The largest tribe, quantity wise, DOSers with its Individual Aspirations.

 

And the DOSer individual mandate as the majority populace allows for all the smaller tribes activities to be embraced under the Individual Agenda/goal. Individualism advantage for Black DOSers as a philosophy is it, allows for all actions under it with no demand for communal quality. Communal quality is merely an after effect, not a mandatory. 

As I mentioned in the other thread, I believe the system of racism white supremacy will rise up against Black folks causing an emergence from individualism, building strategic alliances and working together for survival.

 

Almost 30 years ago, the Million Man March was a moment in time that Black men across all tribes showed up in one place to receive a message. 

 

IMO, as men, we didn't maintain the energy in codifying an agenda and goals that would have created strategic alliances among Black tribes throughout America.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

10 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Almost 30 years ago, the Million Man March was a moment in time that Black men across all tribes showed up in one place to receive a message. 

I was in school, my father and a few uncles or community brothers were there. I remember asking them about it. 

When I think about what they said and the Individualism in the majority of the  Black DOS populace I embrace now  I see where things were inevitably negative. 

16 minutes ago, ProfD said:

IMO, as men, we didn't maintain the energy in codifying an agenda and goals that would have created strategic alliances among Black tribes throughout America.

Your correct, the march failed to have a collective agenda. I will be blunt and say that the black men around harlem whom I knew went, including my father, said that it lacked a communal agenda. 

But I want to look at the million man march from where black people were at the time and where black people are now. 

It is cheap hindsight but, the million man march had two elements.

1. The black men who positively, happpily, engagedly, collectively, communally, came together to meet at Washington DC

2. The black leadership who made the call and presented themselves to the Black men arriving from all corners. 

 

The situation

1.The black men who came were riding the last gasps of  communal energy from the DOS community in 1865. It embraced all black men, was pan black. Black men helped each other get to Washington DC. But, Black men going to DC were expecting collective guidance. 

2. The black leaders who waited were all thinking of themselves , as individuals or tied to a specific group which leads to only one message, personal accountability. Which is a tenet of individualism. But offers nothing for collective guidance. 

 

The result

1. The Black men who using collective energy came for communal guidance , left disenchanted with communalism, and were given an uninspiring or dysfunctional personal accountability message that they took back to their homes. Comprehend, the black men who came to the million man march wasn't the black men in jail, wasn't the black men absent money, wasn't the black men absent ambition or outlook. The black men who came to the million man march , like my father, were all black men who had some positive level of personal accountability or they wouldn't had been there. That vibe of individualism i think seeped through the black male populace in the usa, unfortunately. Telling a large group of people freely being positive as they collect, individually making the effort to lead into a collective path that they are in need of individual accountability is a sinful act. [ and as a historical note, the womens march did the same thing... instead of guiding women it was a preaching about individual suffering]

2. Black leaders who helped organize it got what they wanted. They didn't want to guide the present black male collective to anything positive , they wanted to preach to each individual in said collective a false notion of individual impotency. They succeeded and that ended the last great black moment. When Barrack Obama became president the only constant among black people was it has no communal relevancy. That is individualism. When Kamala Harris ran I remember Black people in the street were totally disconnected. Obama used up the last of that. Kamala maybe didn't comprehend that from the Million Man March to Her campaign the black populace in the usa has grown even more individualistic. [Hillary Clinton suffered the women's issue in the usa, just for the record]. and it helps, when you look at Letitia James/ Mayor Eric Adams. Black elected officials have no need to have a black agenda because the individualism in the black populace doesn't believe in it. That was what the leaders during the Million Man March in my opinion worked to get. 

 

So, I concur to you about the momentum of the Million Man March being derailed but the reason it was derailed was designed by Black Leadership itself. 

Individualism doesn't require leaders to be positively implemented cause it relies on individuals while it requires those in a position to lead to spout individual mantra to break the communal spirit in any group, for better or worse. 

Communalism doesn't require leaders to be gods or heroes to be positively implemented while it requires leaders to be effective in messaging or purposeful to group improvement to be positively implemented. 

 

So looking forward positively, black communalism in the usa is strongest in some small tribes. I argue, any black person, including myself, looking to positive community in the black populace in the usa at least, has to focus on small populaces in the black populace in the usa. 

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, richardmurray said:

2. The black leaders who waited were all thinking of themselves , as individuals or tied to a specific group which leads to only one message, personal accountability. Which is a tenet of individualism. But offers nothing for collective guidance. 

 

1. The Black men who using collective energy came for communal guidance , left disenchanted with communalism, and were given an uninspiring or dysfunctional personal accountability message that they took back to their homes.

 

Telling a large group of people freely being positive as they collect, individually making the effort to lead into a collective path that they are in need of individual accountability is a sinful act.

 

They didn't want to guide the present black male collective to anything positive , they wanted to preach to each individual in said collective a false notion of individual impotency. 

The Million Man March did call for 1) personal accountability and 2) becoming active in building Black communities.

 

A responsible man should not have been offended by the personal accountability part of the message,  He's already handling his business on one front.  The fellowship could have provided a network.

 

The Million Man March was heavily attended by young men and boys too. 

 

Many of those in attendance needed to hear the message of personal accountability before they fell into the trap of making mistakes.

 

The takeaway from the March should have challenged men to be better both individually or collectively. 

 

IMO, the missing piece of the Million Man March was codification of an agenda to make communities better with goals and plans of actions and milestones.

 

Otherwise, leading men requires a benevolent dictatorship and a consistent messaging.  A man has to be strong enough to keep folks on code and in line.

[richardmurray]

@ProfD

well... the heritage of black DOSers claiming, in my opinion historically unwarranted, a huge need for personal accountability amongst its members predates the usa, and is a tenet or pillar to the individualism that is of a majority appeal in the modern black populace in the USA.

The black leaders in the USA behind the million man march, individualist themselves, got what they wanted in the future, a black populace in the usa  least motivated to positive collective action in majority. 

 

 

[Troy]

Quote

If you had a chance to email yourself when you first connected to the internet, what will you tell yourself concerning black activity online? 

 

I would email myself and say that Black people will flock to the massive corporate websites that will emerge and help make their owners some of the richest white men in the world.  Black sites will struggle and remain irrelevant to the internet as a whole. Most Black people will not support you because you are Black-owned. There will always be enough people, of all backgrounds, that will support you, but it will rarely be easy.

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

I would email myself and say that Black people will flock to the massive corporate websites that will emerge and help make their owners some of the richest white men in the world.  Black sites will struggle and remain irrelevant to the internet as a whole. Most Black people will not support you because you are Black-owned. There will always be enough people, of all backgrounds, that will support you, but it will rarely be easy.

Sad but true.

[richardmurray]

@Troy

4 hours ago, Troy said:

I would email myself and say that Black people will flock to the massive corporate websites that will emerge and help make their owners some of the richest white men in the world.  Black sites will struggle and remain irrelevant to the internet as a whole. Most Black people will not support you because you are Black-owned. There will always be enough people, of all backgrounds, that will support you, but it will rarely be easy.

well said... if nonviolent imagination/effort truly is the way, then somebody black will figure out a way to make a relevent black owned online space