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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leavitt-reveals-nj-drones-authorized-faa-white-house/story?id=118187426

 

The government has just admitted the drones flying around were authorized by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).  

 

@frankster, I understand this could be the officialdom response to hide the *truth*.   

 

I always felt the gov't was aware of the drones and most likely responsible for them too.😎

Posted
15 hours ago, ProfD said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leavitt-reveals-nj-drones-authorized-faa-white-house/story?id=118187426

 

The government has just admitted the drones flying around were authorized by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).  

 

@frankster, I understand this could be the officialdom response to hide the *truth*.   

 

I always felt the gov't was aware of the drones and most likely responsible for them too.😎

True...

Is that all the story..

Why where they out there?

Was there more than just Drones out up there..?

Was it Local National or a Global Occurrence?

Posted
1 hour ago, frankster said:

Why where they out there?

i believe the drones are out there as usual 1) military testing new technology and 2) spying on people.😎

 

Posted
3 hours ago, ProfD said:

i believe the drones are out there as usual 1) military testing new technology and 2) spying on people.😎

 

Then somebody lied....meaning officialdom lied 

Initially Officialdom said they did know what or whose they were....not ours or our adversary

Not spying.....sniffer drones more likely

Posted
1 hour ago, frankster said:

Then somebody lied....meaning officialdom lied 

Initially Officialdom said they did know what or whose they were....not ours or our adversary

Many of us already knew officialdom was lying about the drones.  We knew it wasn't adversaries or UAP/UFO/ET.

 

Officialdom always lies especially when it comes to military exercises and programs that are classified as top secret or higher.

 

Of course, they are not going to release any more information for reasons of national security.😎

 

Posted
14 hours ago, ProfD said:

Many of us already knew officialdom was lying about the drones.

You should not trust or believe a liar.

You know that when a governmental body lies it is both....a cover and conspiracy.

 

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

We knew it wasn't adversaries or UAP/UFO/ET.

YOU knew....what it wasn't.

I still do not know...what they all were up out there?

I know drones were up there.....among other things.

Could the drones be red herrings?

 

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

Officialdom always lies especially when it comes to military exercises and programs that are classified as top secret or higher.

Was this a military program?

 

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

Of course, they are not going to release any more information for reasons of national security.😎

Of course..

What about if....it is a global phenomena?

Is it still categorize as national security?

Posted
1 hour ago, frankster said:

YOU knew....what it wasn't.

I still do not know...what they all were up out there?

I know drones were up there.....among other things.

Could the drones be red herrings?

Most of us don't know what they were up to with the drones.

 

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Was this a military program?

Don't know for sure.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

What about if....it is a global phenomena?

Is it still categorize as national security?

In addition to protection against enemies foreign and domestic, eliminating any threats of mass panic or paranoia is an objective of national security too. 😎

Posted
1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Most of us don't know what they were up to with the drones.

True...

Was it only drones?

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Don't know for sure.

That where propogandist want you to be.....Then the cover up lays all your fears about this to sleep

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

In addition to protection against enemies foreign and domestic, eliminating any threats of mass panic or paranoia is an objective of national security too. 😎

Is it global?

Posted
39 minutes ago, frankster said:

Was it only drones?

We may never know.   The evidence and proof are not being leaked.

 

39 minutes ago, frankster said:

That where propogandist want you to be.....Then the cover up lays all your fears about this to sleep

IMO, we cannot spend too much time on that which we do not know.  Especially since our time on the planet is finite.   

 

Life is too short to stress or sweat that over which we have little or no control. 

 

However, if there is a hill someone is willing to die upon...there's no reason to stop them.

 

39 minutes ago, frankster said:

Is it global?

American national security seems to be global considering its investment in strategic outposts.😎

Posted
40 minutes ago, ProfD said:

We may never know.   The evidence and proof are not being leaked.

One such leaked or not being mentioned issue is what's called Orbs....being differentiated from Drones

Good Quality recordings of Orbs thought to be or are being called Plasmoids

 

40 minutes ago, ProfD said:

IMO, we cannot spend too much time on that which we do not know.  Especially since our time on the planet is finite. 

Our time here maybe finite...but our descendants will be here for considerable longer than we ourselves - we owe it to them to Collect and Categorizes 

We do not know what they are....

We know that the phenomena is real...and we should find out as much as we can.

 

40 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Life is too short to stress or sweat that over which we have little or no control. 

If we are to ever gain any semblance of control...we should investigate research and study these phenomena

 

40 minutes ago, ProfD said:

However, if there is a hill someone is willing to die upon...there's no reason to stop them.

True

 

40 minutes ago, ProfD said:

American national security seems to be global considering its investment in strategic outposts.😎

Do you think American Drones would be buzzing Russia and China?

Posted

Ofcourse....
Why would most people be surprised?

 

First of all, they were identified as DRONES.
Clearly "man made".

 

Secondly, they didn't do anything to harm or disrupt the way of life of the people in the areas they were sighted.
Obviously the intelligence behind those craft were "people friendly".

Third, and more importantly.......
They were being reported in the media.
If they were REALLY extraterrestrial aircraft....the mainstream media would do a TOTAL black out on them and the government would try to confiscate every recording there is of them.

If these bastids are wandering around in the park scratching their heads and looking perplexed...that means they ALREADY KNOW what's going on and are just...as the old folks from down South used to say:   PLAY-TENDING

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ofcourse....
Why would most people be surprised?

The Amount Types and Places they appear is surprising

Some display shocking characteristics.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

First of all, they were identified as DRONES.
Clearly "man made".

They are not all identified as drones.....those identified as drones are man made

Some are called orbs spheres and plasmoids.....

Those thought to be plasmoids....are not thought to be man made.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Secondly, they didn't do anything to harm or disrupt the way of life of the people in the areas they were sighted.
Obviously the intelligence behind those craft were "people friendly".

They did cause Wright-Patterson AFB to close....Wright-Patterson is one of the US most critical military facility - on home turf.

Causing/forcing a military installation to close is no small feat.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Third, and more importantly.......
They were being reported in the media.
If they were REALLY extraterrestrial aircraft....the mainstream media would do a TOTAL black out on them and the government would try to confiscate every recording there is of them.

Could it be the Drones where use to confuse the public and hide extraterrestrial activities....as to the real nature of what's happening

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

If these bastids are wandering around in the park scratching their heads and looking perplexed...that means they ALREADY KNOW what's going on and are just...as the old folks from down South used to say:   PLAY-TENDING

That could be true..

Is the US in charge or have control over what is/has happening.

What if its a global occurrence?

Posted
6 hours ago, frankster said:

Our time here maybe finite...but our descendants will be here for considerable longer than we ourselves - we owe it to them to Collect and Categorizes 

We do not know what they are....

We know that the phenomena is real...and we should find out as much as we can.

 

If we are to ever gain any semblance of control...we should investigate research and study these phenomena

Good luck with any of it all things considered.  We're having a hard time getting answers, evidence and proof. 

 

Our ancestors didn't feel obligated to leave us with any clues about these phenomena either.

 

6 hours ago, frankster said:

Do you think American Drones would be buzzing Russia and China?

American satellites are just as effective in spying on other countries. I think we use drones too. 😎

Posted
25 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Good luck with any of it all things considered.  We're having a hard time getting answers, evidence and proof. 

We have plenty of evidence and some even claim to have proof

 

25 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Our ancestors didn't feel obligated to leave us with any clues about these phenomena either.

Our ancestor in and of  many major civilizations has left us much information on them...

 

25 minutes ago, ProfD said:

American satellites are just as effective in spying on other countries. I think we use drones too. 😎

Satellites operate above territorial airspace...Satellites take pictures from outer space.

Entering secure prohibited  restricted or national  airspace of another country without authorization is a violation of international law ....tantamount to declaring war

Posted
7 hours ago, frankster said:

Our ancestor in and of  many major civilizations has left us much information on them...

OK. I haven't seen any ancient proof of UAP/UFO/ET. In fact, if it existed, seems there would be less mysterious today.

7 hours ago, frankster said:

Satellites operate above territorial airspace...Satellites take pictures from outer space.

Entering secure prohibited  restricted or national  airspace of another country without authorization is a violation of international law ....tantamount to declaring war

Right. Satellites operate beyond territorial airspace but can capture high resolution images on the ground like Google Earth.

 

Satellites and high-powered telescopes is another reason there are many non-believers in UAP/UFO/ET phenomena.😎

Posted
2 hours ago, ProfD said:

OK. I haven't seen any ancient proof of UAP/UFO/ET. In fact, if it existed, seems there would be less mysterious today.

I have already address this question

I earlier mentioned the Dogons...their cultural heritage clearly speaks of star people called Nommo

As well as many ancient Christian paintings depicting what we today call UFO...

The Bible and the Vedas also share stories that are very likely alien encounters

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right. Satellites operate beyond territorial airspace but can capture high resolution images on the ground like Google Earth.

Yes that is true..

Such action or use of tech is not considered an Incursion....at this time.

It is not seen as an act of aggression to look see and or record from a stand point outside of territorial space air land and sea

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Satellites and high-powered telescopes is another reason there are many non-believers in UAP/UFO/ET phenomena.😎

Why?

The amount of new sightings due to cell phone camera and infra red is astounding.

What is now being considered is setting up a clearinghouse to categorize and study the overwhelming amount of new footage.

Posted
5 minutes ago, frankster said:

I have already address this question

I earlier mentioned the Dogons...their cultural heritage clearly speaks of star people called Nommo

As well as many ancient Christian paintings depicting what we today call UFO...

The Bible and the Vedas also share stories that are very likely alien encounters

The majority of Black folks who believe in those texts do not recognize any of that as it relates to UAP/UFO/ET.  

 

5 minutes ago, frankster said:

Yes that is true..

Such action or use of tech is not considered an Incursion....at this time.

It is not seen as an act of aggression to look see and or record from a stand point outside of territorial space air land and sea

Yet, that technology is definitely being used as a form of counter-surveillance.

 

5 minutes ago, frankster said:

Why?

The amount of new sightings due to cell phone camera and infra red is astounding.

What is now being considered is setting up a clearinghouse to categorize and study the overwhelming amount of new footage.

We don't need fuzzy cell phone camera pictures and infra-red images when there are high powered satellites and telescopes our in the universe constantly recording any movements among the stars.😎

Posted
1 hour ago, ProfD said:

The majority of Black folks who believe in those texts do not recognize any of that as it relates to UAP/UFO/ET.  

True....

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Yet, that technology is definitely being used as a form of counter-surveillance.

Yes...

It's not a physical penetration of territory

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

We don't need fuzzy cell phone camera pictures and infra-red images when there are high powered satellites and telescopes our in the universe constantly recording any movements among the stars.😎

Some clear and some fuzzy.....mostly of the cell phone type

 

Caught on camera: Possible UFO reported over New York's LaGuardia Airport | Banfield

Posted
13 hours ago, frankster said:

Some clear and some fuzzy.....mostly of the cell phone type

That cell phone video of the UAP/UFO flying around in NY was very clear especially considering the speed of travel.

 

The FAA knows it's an object similar to whatever has been flying around in New Jersey and other places. 

 

Looks like the military showing off its cool new toys.😎

Posted

Trump is touching a nerve they same way that Reagan did in the 80's

 

I have made more connections through cooperation than conflict. Again I feel that Trump will be the most unifying and divisive President. He may also be the most important President in my lifetime.

Posted
12 hours ago, ProfD said:

That cell phone video of the UAP/UFO flying around in NY was very clear especially considering the speed of travel.

True...

The amount of these they are are receiving as cell phone camera tech  evolves more and clearer photo will be seen.....astounding

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

The FAA knows it's an object similar to whatever has been flying around in New Jersey and other places. 

How you know that the FAA knows that ?

 

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Looks like the military showing off its cool new toys.😎

Yes it could be military....but I do not think it is

8 hours ago, Delano said:

Trump is touching a nerve they same way that Reagan did in the 80's

How so give an example

 

8 hours ago, Delano said:

I have made more connections through cooperation than conflict.

True

 

8 hours ago, Delano said:

Again I feel that Trump will be the most unifying and divisive President.

Divisive yes...

 Unifying to those who are fascistic and race mongers

 

8 hours ago, Delano said:

He may also be the most important President in my lifetime.

To me Obama is the most important.....

Posted
10 minutes ago, frankster said:

How you know that the FAA knows that ?

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and its affiliate agencies has the responsibility of tracking every form of aircraft and monitoring the entire air space of the US. 

 

The FAA may not be at liberty to tell us everything but they know what's going up in skies.  Same goes for the US military.😎

Posted
4 hours ago, ProfD said:

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and its affiliate agencies has the responsibility of tracking every form of aircraft and monitoring the entire air space of the US. 

No.... I do not think they do

They pretty much said so....during the recent drone crisis

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

The FAA may not be at liberty to tell us everything but they know what's going up in skies. 

That is only true if it has to do with National Security....

Everything else that FAA knows  should be available to the public....

 

4 hours ago, ProfD said:

Same goes for the US military.😎

Understandably so..

Posted
1 hour ago, frankster said:

No.... I do not think they do

They pretty much said so....during the recent drone crisis

They knew what was going on with the drones.  Denied it to the public.  Most likely for reasons of national security.😎

 

Posted

Trump is touching a nerve they same way that Reagan did in the 80's

 

He is making it popular to be intolerant 

 

He may also unite people that wouldn't ordinarily be allies .An example of this is MLK Jr supporting the garbage strike. Which primarily for him assassinated. Divide and conquer is and has been effective. Once you point out that the division is the problem but the group that benefits, you will most likely get a bullet delivered to you.

Posted
1 hour ago, ProfD said:

They knew what was going on with the drones.

They lied.....so they are Liars

Knowing they are liars....Why would you now believe them when they say they knew what it was?

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Denied it to the public.

The public whom they are supposed to serve...

How then can we trust them to be true tell the whole truth and scientific?

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Most likely for reasons of national security.😎

What National Security....These things were not hiding and they were over many cities and countries even shutting down Military AFB

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

Trump is touching a nerve they same way that Reagan did in the 80's

touching a nerve is a nice way to phrase it.

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

He is making it popular to be intolerant 

And that is a good thing?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

He may also unite people that wouldn't ordinarily be allies .

like who or what?

give an example?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

An example of this is MLK Jr supporting the garbage strike.

For MLKjr and Memphis Sanitation Department workers it was about Injustice Wages Poor working conditions and the Right to form a Union

So are you saying that Trump is going to support a strike?

or

Bring some civil rights organization and a governmental organization/municipality together?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

Which primarily for him assassinated.

Martin was killed because he was empowering Black people and his growing popularity with whites made him a possible presidential candidate.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

Divide and conquer is and has been effective.

True.

Who is Trump dividing?

Who is Trump conquering?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

Once you point out that the division is the problem

Everybody knows division is the problem

What is needed is common ground and mutual benefits

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

but the group that benefits,

Who would this group be?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

you will most likely get a bullet delivered to you.

Yes....if you are standing in their way.

Posted
1 hour ago, frankster said:

touching a nerve is a nice way to phrase it.

It suns up the dynamic that a leader saw and capitalised on it

1 hour ago, frankster said:

And that is a good thing

In my life I have found it very difficult to tell if something is good or bad in the short term. The Reagan years were very profitable in the short term however the increase in the National Debt is bad in the long term.  

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Injustice Wages Poor working conditions and the Right to form a Union

So are you saying that Trump is going to support a strike?

or

Bring some civil rights organization and a governmental organization/municipality together?

This is an example of uniting people that you wouldn't normally associated with one another.

 

Mark Miley is a retired four star generally and he said Trump is a fascist and a danger.

 

Dwight Eisenhower a former generally and president warned is about the military industrial complex

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Who is Trump dividing?

Who is Trump conquering?

The only war that should be waged is class. Everything else is a smokescreen. This has worked very well since slavery.

Posted

Class warfare is for the elite to stay in power because the numbers are against them. So instead of wanting dismantle the system you encourage people to strive to be over others. 

 

A good example of this is Michael Jordan and his endorsements. Kids were literally dieing to be like Mike. Mike went from poor to billionaire. 

Posted
20 minutes ago, Delano said:

Class warfare is for the elite to stay in power because the numbers are against them.

So which class Trump is in....?

is Trump a member of the elite?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

So instead of wanting dismantle the system you encourage people to strive to be over others. 

You think Trump is dismantling the system?

 

20 minutes ago, Delano said:

A good example of this is Michael Jordan and his endorsements. Kids were literally dieing to be like Mike. Mike went from poor to billionaire. 

No....not a good example.

Nothing that Michael Jordon has done or is doing is in anyway helping to dismantle the status quo..

Posted
2 hours ago, frankster said:

They lied.....so they are Liars

Knowing they are liars....Why would you now believe them when they say they knew what it was?

I always believed it was drones.  They didn't confirm anything.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

The public whom they are supposed to serve...

How then can we trust them to be true tell the whole truth and scientific?

The FAA doesn't have a responsibility to the tell the public anything.  Their responsibility is to keep the skies safe.

 

2 hours ago, frankster said:

What National Security....These things were not hiding and they were over many cities and countries even shutting down Military AFB

If those things were military drones as I suspect, I don't believe they really shut down the AFB.😎

 

Posted
23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I always believed it was drones. 

You can believe what ever you want....

I know the drones were a either a cover for what else was going on or their to gather more closer intel on what is out up there.

 

23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

They didn't confirm anything.

Depends on who you say is doing the confirming...

 

23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

The FAA doesn't have a responsibility to the tell the public anything.  Their responsibility is to keep the skies safe.

True...that's their primary responsibility...

 

The FOIA is a law that gives you the right to access information from the federal government. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government. Under the FOIA, agencies must disclose any information that is requested – unless that information is protected from public disclosure.

FAA posts a great deal of information on its website so before making a request you might want to look through it first. You may find that the information you are interested in is already posted. At the bottom of the page you will find links to a number of information categories.

https://www.faa.gov/foia

 

23 minutes ago, ProfD said:

If those things were military drones as I suspect, I don't believe they really shut down the AFB.😎

Our Trusty Media reported it was shut down...

What evidence or proof do you have that it was not shut down?

Posted
11 minutes ago, frankster said:

You can believe what ever you want....

I know the drones were a either a cover for what else was going on or their to gather more closer intel on what is out up there.

The current administration is anti-government enough that it might be willing to share more information.

 

11 minutes ago, frankster said:

The FOIA is a law that gives you the right to access information from the federal government. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government. Under the FOIA, agencies must disclose any information that is requested – unless that information is protected from public disclosure.

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) does make redacted government information available to the public.😎

 

Posted
4 hours ago, frankster said:

So which class Trump is in....?

is Trump a member of the elite?

 

You think Trump is dismantling the system?

 

No....not a good example.

Nothing that Michael Jordon has done or is doing is in anyway helping to dismantle the status quo..

Trump has never worked for someone and was always wealthy. He may have worked for his dad who was a big developer in NYC. So what class would you say he is a member.

 

I didn't say that but Trump said that he likes chaos and he said that he would dismantle the DOE and his appointee what's to dismantle the FBI.

 

My point about Jordan was that he wants to become wealthy not see equality. This is another tool.in the box. You allow a few high profile individuals to be part of the system. 

 

So the full context of my statement is the following.

 

Class warfare is for the elite to stay in power because the numbers are against them. So instead of wanting dismantle the system you encourage people to strive to be over others. 

 

 

Posted
9 hours ago, Delano said:

Trump has never worked for someone and was always wealthy. He may have worked for his dad who was a big developer in NYC. So what class would you say he is a member.

The Elite..

 

9 hours ago, Delano said:

I didn't say that but Trump said that he likes chaos and he said that he would dismantle the DOE and his appointee what's to dismantle the FBI.

Do you think dismantling the DOE and FBI is a good thing?

 

9 hours ago, Delano said:

My point about Jordan was that he wants to become wealthy not see equality.

How do you know that to be true?

 

9 hours ago, Delano said:

This is another tool.in the box. You allow a few high profile individuals to be part of the system.

Tokenism is a part of the system....

Jordon did not design the system...he was allowed to used the system

 

9 hours ago, Delano said:

So the full context of my statement is the following.

Class warfare is for the elite to stay in power because the numbers are against them.

True

 

9 hours ago, Delano said:

So instead of wanting dismantle the system you encourage people to strive to be over others. 

Is that not how the system is

 

 

Posted
11 hours ago, ProfD said:

The current administration is anti-government enough that it might be willing to share more information.

So it seems...

 

11 hours ago, ProfD said:

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) does make redacted government information available to the public.😎

The FAA is a government body...so it makes its information available to the public thru FOIA

Posted
4 hours ago, frankster said:

The FAA is a government body...so it makes its information available to the public thru FOIA

Right.  Someone has to submit a FOIA request.  The FAA isn't going volunteer the information.😎

Posted
22 hours ago, ProfD said:

Right.  Someone has to submit a FOIA request.  The FAA isn't going volunteer the information.😎

Usually the media ask the questions for us.....but in this instance we had politicians local law enforcement and the media doing the asking.

 

Posted
On 2/5/2025 at 8:33 AM, Delano said:

Probably not it depends on what replaces it

True....

Based on the people doing the Dismantling and Replacing what outcome seems mostly likely to be the Eventuality?

Posted

Brotha @frankster, as I alluded above, the current administration may not have to release the information.   They are stirring up such a hornets nest within the government, disgruntled employees may be willing to spill any beans. 

 

For example, FBI agents had been investigating UAP/UFO claims.  Some of those agents were relieved of their duties because they investigated the Jan 6th insurrection. 

 

If the government continues causing chaos among the rank and file across agencies, it only takes a few people to walk out with the files.  They could become whistleblowers too.

 

Hang on to you ring-side seat with food, snacks, beverages and kush of choice.  More information could spill out over these next 4 years.😁😎

Posted
10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Brotha @frankster, as I alluded above, the current administration may not have to release the information.   They are stirring up such a hornets nest within the government, disgruntled employees may be willing to spill any beans. 

True...

Trump is a maverick...he may do it though

 

Many  have been doing so for sometime now.....

Maybe more and more will - with more convincing evidence....

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

For example, FBI agents had been investigating UAP/UFO claims.  Some of those agents were relieved of their duties because they investigated the Jan 6th insurrection. 

True...

We can hope.

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

If the government continues causing chaos among the rank and file across agencies, it only takes a few people to walk out with the files.  They could become whistleblowers too.

This shakeup is a preparation for .... Fascism Republican style

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Hang on to you ring-side seat with food, snacks, beverages and kush of choice.  More information could spill out over these next 4 years.😁😎

For sure..

Disclosure has been fine...if a little disappointing so far

Revelation should be soon

Posted
10 hours ago, frankster said:

Based on the people doing the Dismantling and Replacing what outcome seems mostly likely to be the Eventuality?

I think the next 10 to 15 years will be large geopolitical changes and mostly likely reversals of fortunes. Details I don't know, nor do I have a way to determine what the changes might be

Posted
2 hours ago, Delano said:

I think the next 10 to 15 years will be large geopolitical changes and mostly likely reversals of fortunes

Whose reversal???

 

2 hours ago, Delano said:

Details I don't know, nor do I have a way to determine what the changes might be

Thats always true.....Change is a Universal Constant

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