One Of The Reasons I'm Not Religious

[Pioneer1]

To be crystal clear.....I whole heartedly believe in THE SUPREME BEING.

However I'm not religious and don't ascribe to religion.

I've had this discussion with many Africans who DO tend to be very religious and are adamant about professing and even sharing their faiths.
I think it's just one of the many things that divide an already divided people; however that's not the MAIN reason I'm not religious.

One of the main reasons I'm not religious and don't ascribe to religion now is out of disappointment.

I spent much of my youth waiting.....

Waiting on Judgement Day to come and straighten things out.

Waiting on Jesus to return and make things right.

Waiting...waiting...waiting.....

I wasted so much of my youth being religious and avoiding certain things in order to be "ready" for something that just didn't happen.

One day I thought about the past several thousand years, thinking of the people who sincerely believed in their religions who constantly expected the "end" was near and would occur in their lifetimes...but it didn't.
I asked myself, what makes now any different from then?
The same conditions that exist NOW that make people think Jesus is coming back or that the world will end soon....diseases, wars, Earthquakes, etc....existed 500 years ago and 2000 years ago.

I said if 2000 came and went and the world didn't end, I'd stop believing.
But I didn't and decided to give it one more shot for 2012.
When 2012 came and went and the world didn't end as predicted....I said I'm not going to waste any more time believing in man-made "end of the world" predictions or religions.

Now, I believe the world WILL end.
But when?
I don't know.

Unlike many nuts of the past who used to run around giving actual DATES for the end of the world....which obviously didn't come true...and made fools of themselves; I think the people who actually founded and organized these religions were smart enough NOT to give actual dates to their "prophecies".
They were clever enough and knew enough about human nature and psychology to make the "end of the world" so vague and ambiguous that at almost any time in history you can look at the contemporary events of that time and declare that the "end" is near.

I've come to the conclusion that if we as AfroAmericans or Africans in general who are righteous and don't like this world and the way it is today and want it to end....WE must end it by building a better one.

[Troy]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I wasted so much of my youth being religious and avoiding certain things in order to be "ready" for something that just didn't happen.

 

I'm sorry to read this, seriously.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now, I believe the world WILL end.

 

Well, the world will end for all of us when we kick the bucket.  But as far was the planet, life on it will end when the sun exhausts it's fuel in about 5 billion years.  

 

Why do you believe "The Supreme Being?" That sounds like a remnant of your religiosity. What does the Supreme being do for you, us? 

 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

 

I'm sorry to read this, seriously.

 

You know something..........

When I tell people this, many of them would have the same reaction or look at me with a sad face or say "that's sad" or "it's a shame you did that".
I used to be a bit insulted because it insinuated that I was silly enough to actually BELIEVE what I read and was told by the church.

 

Now I don't feel bad about it at all.

Why?

Because I no longer look at it as me being a "sucker" for spending my teens and twenties expecting what I was actually raised to believe.....

I look at my sincerity as a badge of honor and integrity.

 

I was true to my beliefs.

 

Instead, I question the beliefs of religious people who CLAIM to believe in Jesus or Muhammad or other figures and especially those who claim that the world is ending soon or that Jesus is coming back soon but buy houses, send their children to school...hell...even HAVE children...in a world they CLAIM is about to "end soon".

I see many of them as lying hypocrites, because if they TRULY believed what they were preaching...they'd be preparing for it instead of preparing to spend many many more years in THIS world and even prepare their future generations.

 

I no longer believe...therefor I no longer expect.
I'm good.

 

Well, the world will end for all of us when we kick the bucket.  But as far was the planet, life on it will end when the sun exhausts it's fuel in about 5 billion years.  

That's what my Father used to say, lol.

Even as a kid I was religious and talked about the end of the world and he would say, 

"No matter when THEE end comes...YOUR end comes when you die".

 

How true that is for most people...lol.

 

Keep in mind not to confuse the end of the WORLD with the end of the PLANET.

The WORLD and the PLANET are two different concepts.

 

The PLANET is Earth.
The physical Globe that we are on.

The WORLD is the "system" that human beings operate under, especially at this time.

Think more of "age" or "era" or "dispensation".

When most religious scholars speak of the end of the "world" they aren't talking about the end of the Planet but the end of the "age" or the end of this era of humanity before we are Divinely judged.

 

 

 

 

Why do you believe "The Supreme Being?" That sounds like a remnant of your religiosity. What does the Supreme being do for you, us?

 

Besides my own personal Spiritual experiences, I can give you several rather simple logical reasons for believing.....

1. One reason is that there are benefit FOR believing in Higher Powers and virtually NO benefit to NOT believing.
Kind of like that famous argument that a religious believer makes that if he's right and you don't believe....when you die you're immediately realize you're wrong.  But if YOU'RE right...you won't know it because you'll just be dead and unconscious.
It's better to be on the safe side and believe....lol.
 

 

2. We exist as intelligent beings as well as the rest of the Universe.
This is clear evidence that a Higher Source or Creator of things must exist to originate us and what we observe.

We and most of what we observe couldn't have "always" existed in the past.
We had to have an origin regardless of how distant in the past.

[ProfD]

I knew Santa Claus was a crock of crap from the jump.   

 

I figured out religion was a hustle before I turned 12 years old.

 

I've always subscribed to believing half of what I see and none of what I hear.

 

Human *intelligence* leads us to believe in all types of stuff. 

 

One thing is certain...we are born to die.  Nobody escapes it.

 

@Pioneer1, don't look it being religious as time wasted.  You didn't miss out on too much of anything. 

 

We learn a bunch of sh8t that we'll never use.  It's OK.  The main thing is to live your life to the fullest until the wheels fall off.

[Pioneer1]

4 minutes ago, ProfD said:

We learn a bunch of sh8t that we'll never use.  It's OK.  The main thing is to live your life to the fullest until the wheels fall off.

Religion...and in many respects "common sense"...prevents you from living your life to the "fullest" because of the restrictions it puts on you.

You can't shouldn't have sex with whoever you want to however you want.

You can't shouldn't make money however you want.

You can't shouldn't eat whatever you want.

I'm not going to say religion is ALL bad, but it's certainly restrictive and prevents people from taking risks and engaging in things that could actually make them more successful and enjoy the life their living more.

I'm not sure of the actual law but it's my understanding that Muslims can't borrow money on interest or excessive interest.
This means car loans and house loans or even student loans.
But many of them do it anyway.
Then I would point to the ones who do it anyway and end up living in a nice house or getting a good education despite breaking a religious rule and wonder how did that happen.

Again....
I'm not an Islamic scholar so I'm not sure of the actual rule but if you can't borrow ANY money on interest, how do so many Muslim immigrants justify business loans or mortgages for nice houses?


People often claim these religions but pick and choose the parts that THEY want to follow.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

People often claim these religions but pick and choose the parts that THEY want to follow.

In the movie, the conversations Malcolm X had with brotha Baines and Elijah Muhammad himself about sleeping with those young women and their responses  has been ongoing since the beginning of humanity. 

 

I was referring to living your life to the fullest while you're still here. We don't get to re-do the past.

[frankster]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

To be crystal clear.....I whole heartedly believe in THE SUPREME BEING.

Cool so do I

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

However I'm not religious and don't ascribe to religion.

Sound like you are a Deist

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've had this discussion with many Africans who DO tend to be very religious and are adamant about professing and even sharing their faiths.
I think it's just one of the many things that divide an already divided people; however that's not the MAIN reason I'm not religious.

True...in too many cases

When it ought not to be...the cases.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

One of the main reasons I'm not religious and don't ascribe to religion now is out of disappointment.

I spent much of my youth waiting.....

Waiting on Judgement Day to come and straighten things out.

Waiting on Jesus to return and make things right.

Waiting...waiting...waiting.....

I wasted so much of my youth being religious and avoiding certain things in order to be "ready" for something that just didn't happen.

Promises create Expectations....Expectations are often Distractions

Distractions are not meant to deliver the Promise....hence disappoints.

Yes...this true for many of us

Religion is Organized Spirituality...... Which is  used to Control Spirituality and thereby You/us - We become cogs in the machine of Civilization.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

One day I thought about the past several thousand years, thinking of the people who sincerely believed in their religions who constantly expected the "end" was near and would occur in their lifetimes...but it didn't.
I asked myself, what makes now any different from then?
The same conditions that exist NOW that make people think Jesus is coming back or that the world will end soon....diseases, wars, Earthquakes, etc....existed 500 years ago and 2000 years ago.

Eschatology in this form is mostly a Western Christian Theology.....so it is true for the Christian West....

In Ethiopia Christian Africa We end prayers with ...... "World without End"

 

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I said if 2000 came and went and the world didn't end, I'd stop believing.
But I didn't and decided to give it one more shot for 2012.
When 2012 came and went and the world didn't end as predicted....I said I'm not going to waste any more time believing in man-made "end of the world" predictions or religions.

The more things change....the more things remain the same

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now, I believe the world WILL end.
But when?
I don't know.

True

What will replace or where will we be

Matt 24:26

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Unlike many nuts of the past who used to run around giving actual DATES for the end of the world....which obviously didn't come true...and made fools of themselves; I think the people who actually founded and organized these religions were smart enough NOT to give actual dates to their "prophecies".
They were clever enough and knew enough about human nature and psychology to make the "end of the world" so vague and ambiguous that at almost any time in history you can look at the contemporary events of that time and declare that the "end" is near.

"End of the World" is a Distraction used to Control and Manipulate The Masses.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've come to the conclusion that if we as AfroAmericans or Africans in general who are righteous and don't like this world and the way it is today and want it to end....WE must end it by building a better one.

True

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

 

I'm sorry to read this, seriously.

Why are you sorry?

 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

Well, the world will end for all of us when we kick the bucket.  But as far was the planet, life on it will end when the sun exhausts it's fuel in about 5 billion years.  

True

 

3 hours ago, Troy said:

Why do you believe "The Supreme Being?" That sounds like a remnant of your religiosity. What does the Supreme being do for you, us? 

Great Question?

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Troy

I'm sorry to read this, seriously.

You know something..........

When I tell people this, many of them would have the same reaction or look at me with a sad face or say "that's sad" or "it's a shame you did that".
I used to be a bit insulted because it insinuated that I was silly enough to actually BELIEVE what I read and was told by the church.

 

Now I don't feel bad about it at all.

Why?

Because I no longer look at it as me being a "sucker" for spending my teens and twenties expecting what I was actually raised to believe.....

I look at my sincerity as a badge of honor and integrity.

 

I was true to my beliefs.

It is Good

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Instead, I question the beliefs of religious people who CLAIM to believe in Jesus or Muhammad or other figures and especially those who claim that the world is ending soon or that Jesus is coming back soon but buy houses, send their children to school...hell...even HAVE children...in a world they CLAIM is about to "end soon".

I see many of them as lying hypocrites, because if they TRULY believed what they were preaching...they'd be preparing for it instead of preparing to spend many many more years in THIS world and even prepare their future generations.

 

I no longer believe...therefor I no longer expect.
I'm good.

As it should be

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Well, the world will end for all of us when we kick the bucket.  But as far was the planet, life on it will end when the sun exhausts it's fuel in about 5 billion years.  

That's what my Father used to say, lol.

Even as a kid I was religious and talked about the end of the world and he would say, 

"No matter when THEE end comes...YOUR end comes when you die".

Dad was Right

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

How true that is for most people...lol.

 

Keep in mind not to confuse the end of the WORLD with the end of the PLANET.

The WORLD and the PLANET are two different concepts.

 

The PLANET is Earth.
The physical Globe that we are on.

The WORLD is the "system" that human beings operate under, especially at this time.

Think more of "age" or "era" or "dispensation".

When most religious scholars speak of the end of the "world" they aren't talking about the end of the Planet but the end of the "age" or the end of this era of humanity before we are Divinely judged.

True

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Why do you believe "The Supreme Being?" That sounds like a remnant of your religiosity. What does the Supreme being do for you, us?

 

Besides my own personal Spiritual experiences, I can give you several rather simple logical reasons for believing.....

Tell us about this personal experience.....if you can.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. One reason is that there are benefit FOR believing in Higher Powers and virtually NO benefit to NOT believing.

Name a few of these benefits?

We do also have great Atheist too..Some Atheist may believe that they have benefited from not believing.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Kind of like that famous argument that a religious believer makes that if he's right and you don't believe....when you die you're immediately realize you're wrong.  But if YOU'RE right...you won't know it because you'll just be dead and unconscious.
It's better to be on the safe side and believe....lol.

Does unconscious means.....Nothingness

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. We exist as intelligent beings as well as the rest of the Universe.
This is clear evidence that a Higher Source or Creator of things must exist to originate us and what we observe.

We and most of what we observe couldn't have "always" existed in the past.
We had to have an origin regardless of how distant in the past.

True

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

I knew Santa Claus was a crock of crap from the jump.   

It is an Allegory

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

I figured out religion was a hustle before I turned 12 years old.

 

I've always subscribed to believing half of what I see and none of what I hear.

 

Human *intelligence* leads us to believe in all types of stuff. 

True

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

One thing is certain...we are born to die.  Nobody escapes it.

That is the thing.....Spirituality is destined to defeat

 

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

 

@Pioneer1, don't look it being religious as time wasted.  You didn't miss out on too much of anything. 

 

We learn a bunch of sh8t that we'll never use.  It's OK.  The main thing is to live your life to the fullest until the wheels fall off.

True

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Religion...and in many respects "common sense"...prevents you from living your life to the "fullest" because of the restrictions it puts on you.

You see them as Restrictions....because you do not understand their True Purpose

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can't shouldn't have sex with whoever you want to however you want.

You shouldn't is correct....cause you most definitely can...

Every action has a Re-action built in as part of the whole....

What one must be Mindful of is the Re-action

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can't shouldn't make money however you want.

You can't shouldn't eat whatever you want.

I'm not going to say religion is ALL bad, but it's certainly restrictive and prevents people from taking risks and engaging in things that could actually make them more successful and enjoy the life their living more.

Things are not always what they appear to be

Cause and Effect.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not sure of the actual law but it's my understanding that Muslims can't borrow money on interest or excessive interest.
This means car loans and house loans or even student loans.
But many of them do it anyway.
Then I would point to the ones who do it anyway and end up living in a nice house or getting a good education despite breaking a religious rule and wonder how did that happen.

Usury is making money on money.....it leads to the Lenders become Master and the Borrowers their Servants/slaves.

Usury leads to Concentration of Wealth and Worst Growth without increased Production and Development.

Charging Interest on Loans in most cases is considered Usurious.

Depreciation/Sinking Fund Loan Method

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again....
I'm not an Islamic scholar so I'm not sure of the actual rule but if you can't borrow ANY money on interest, how do so many Muslim immigrants justify business loans or mortgages for nice houses?

My very basic understanding is as follows.

The Banker buys the property for $100 and then tells you to make monthly installments of $10 for 12 months for a total of $120

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

People often claim these religions but pick and choose the parts that THEY want to follow.

True or how to interpret and execute

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

In the movie, the conversations Malcolm X had with brotha Baines and Elijah Muhammad himself about sleeping with those young women and their responses  has been ongoing since the beginning of humanity. 

Brutha Baines is a two-bit hustler....but one hand washes the other.

 

Malcolm X...one of my favorite movies!
I often reference IT like Neely Fuller likes to reference Shawshank Redemption (which I didn't care too much for...lol)

 

Like brother Baines said, Elijah is a MAN and like all men he has certain needs.
As I get older and understand the world more, I understand what he meant by that.

As a man who is getting up in age and still has the need for sex and attract women, I find the desire to use one's money and power/influence to get sex gets stronger.

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

Religion is Organized Spirituality...... Which is  used to Control Spirituality and thereby You/us - We become cogs in the machine of Civilization.

 

Control and LIMIT.
 

I believe a person who IS NOT and especially HAS NOT been influenced by religion will be much more Spiritually free than one who is and in many cases one who has been influenced. 

They won't have the negative and false beliefs of their former religion drilled into their subconscious weighing them down.

 

 

 

Eschatology in this form is mostly a Western Christian Theology.....so it is true for the Christian West....

In Ethiopia Christian Africa We end prayers with ...... "World without End"

But they still believe and expect for Jesus to come back and they look for it and teach it.
If He does, THIS world will surely end and a new One will be brought about.

And when they say "world without end", are you're sure they're talking about THIS world....or a future world to come they pray will not end?

 

 

 

 

"End of the World" is a Distraction used to Control and Manipulate The Masses.

 

Most definitely
While they have the sincere believers looking up in the sky waiting on something that may never happen in their lifetimes...the rich and powerful are busy focused on exploiting people and amassing their fortunes right now.

They're NOT looking for an end to a world they are prospering in.

They're trying to SAVE it and PROLONG it.
 

 

 

 

Does unconscious means.....Nothingness

 

In this case, yes.

Hypothetically....
If the atheist is right and he dies...he won't know it.
So really, what benefit is there in not believing?

He doesn't even enjoy the benefit of knowing he was "right" because he's a dead pile of unconscious dust....lol.

 

 

 

 

You shouldn't is correct....cause you most definitely can...

Every action has a Re-action built in as part of the whole....

What one must be Mindful of is the Re-action

 

While that's true, and there are reasons FOR sexual restrictions that are social as well as hygenic.....
There are people who are sexually disciplined who end up being poor and dying of a disease; while there are some who are sexually UN-disciplined and ran around fucking everything that moved but lived rather successful lives and died healthy and in old age.

So what good was the sexual discipline in the greater scheme of things?

 

 

 

 

Usury is making money on money.....it leads to the Lenders become Master and the Borrowers their Servants/slaves.

Usury leads to Concentration of Wealth and Worst Growth without increased Production and Development.

Charging Interest on Loans in most cases is considered Usurious.

Depreciation/Sinking Fund Loan Method

 
But is the person getting what they WANTED when they get the loan?
Maybe they don't mind being in debt if it means getting a degree or a nice big house.

I understand the concept behind Usury and why it's forbidden or discouraged in some religions.

However a lot of people who practice it are very wealthy while many people who DON'T engage in it are poor and some are even destitute.
So again, in the greater scheme of things...how does it help or hurt?

 

 

 

 

The Banker buys the property for $100 and then tells you to make monthly installments of $10 for 12 months for a total of $120

 

I understand how lending money works.
But in Islam there are rules against either borrowing it on ANY interest or "excessive" interest....and I'm not sure which one it is.

However, perhaps a non-religious person like myself who believes in The CREATOR will say he's thankful that we live in a society where we CAN borrow the $100 and pay it back as $120 if we really needed it for an emergency!

 

Perhaps we should be thankful to live in a society where you CAN borrow money to buy a car or house instead of being FORCED to live on the street or walk to your job because of religious rules that force you to buy ONLY if you have the money on you.
 

[Troy]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

6 hours ago, Troy said:

 

I'm sorry to read this, seriously.

Why are you sorry?

 

The same reason I'd feel sorry for any 13-year-old who still believed in Santa.

 

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. One reason is that there are benefit FOR believing in Higher Powers and virtually NO benefit to NOT believing.
Kind of like that famous argument that a religious believer makes that if he's right and you don't believe....when you die you're immediately realize you're wrong.  But if YOU'RE right...you won't know it because you'll just be dead and unconscious.

 

But that goes back to a belief that a supreme being treats (punishes) people for what they believe, indeed what they were exposed to while living.  

[Pioneer1]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

But that goes back to a belief that a supreme being treats (punishes) people for what they believe, indeed what they were exposed to while living.  

But is it fair to attribute that to The SUPREME BEING, or should it be attributed to human beings and their religions who often make this claim?

Just like calling a deadly Earthquake or massive snow storm an "Act Of God".
We don't know WHO caused that Earthquake or Snow storm.
It could have been Satan (if Satan exists) or an Angel or with the technology we have today....other humans!
Why accuse GOD of something if we aren't sure about it?


 

[frankster]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Religion is Organized Spirituality...... Which is  used to Control Spirituality and thereby You/us - We become cogs in the machine of Civilization.

 

Control and LIMIT.
 

I believe a person who IS NOT and especially HAS NOT been influenced by religion will be much more Spiritually free than one who is and in many cases one who has been influenced. 

They won't have the negative and false beliefs of their former religion drilled into their subconscious weighing them down.

True

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Eschatology in this form is mostly a Western Christian Theology.....so it is true for the Christian West....

In Ethiopia Christian Africa We end prayers with ...... "World without End"

But they still believe and expect for Jesus to come back and they look for it and teach it.
If He does, THIS world will surely end and a new One will be brought about.

The Christ is Awaken in You

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And when they say "world without end", are you're sure they're talking about THIS world....or a future world to come they pray will not end?

This World will be transformed

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

"End of the World" is a Distraction used to Control and Manipulate The Masses.

 

Most definitely
While they have the sincere believers looking up in the sky waiting on something that may never happen in their lifetimes...the rich and powerful are busy focused on exploiting people and amassing their fortunes right now.

They're NOT looking for an end to a world they are prospering in.

They're trying to SAVE it and PROLONG it.

The amassing of Wealth Riches and fortunes is no guarantee of Joy and Happiness.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Does unconscious means.....Nothingness

 

In this case, yes.

Hypothetically....
If the atheist is right and he dies...he won't know it.
So really, what benefit is there in not believing?

He doesn't even enjoy the benefit of knowing he was "right" because he's a dead pile of unconscious dust....lol.

I Disagree

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You shouldn't is correct....cause you most definitely can...

Every action has a Re-action built in as part of the whole....

What one must be Mindful of is the Re-action

 

While that's true, and there are reasons FOR sexual restrictions that are social as well as hygenic.....

Exactly..

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are people who are sexually disciplined who end up being poor and dying of a disease; while there are some who are sexually UN-disciplined and ran around fucking everything that moved but lived rather successful lives and died healthy and in old age.

That is less than half of the story...

The individual who you say is sexually indiscipline maybe practicing safe prescribe sex based on knowledge and experience that you know not of

While the sexually discipline individual is helping the poor and sick with little knowledge or foresight...as to wealth or disease

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So what good was the sexual discipline in the greater scheme of things?

It protects you from unforeseen eventualities

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Usury is making money on money.....it leads to the Lenders become Master and the Borrowers their Servants/slaves.

Usury leads to Concentration of Wealth and Worst Growth without increased Production and Development.

Charging Interest on Loans in most cases is considered Usurious.

Depreciation/Sinking Fund Loan Method

 
But is the person getting what they WANTED when they get the loan?
Maybe they don't mind being in debt if it means getting a degree or a nice big house.

That is them entering into "Voluntary Slavery" by going into debt to another....in some cases.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I understand the concept behind Usury and why it's forbidden or discouraged in some religions.

However a lot of people who practice it are very wealthy while many people who DON'T engage in it are poor and some are even destitute.
So again, in the greater scheme of things...how does it help or hurt?

Usury often destroys Societies as it does not add directly to GDP so to speak.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Banker buys the property for $100 and then tells you to make monthly installments of $10 for 12 months for a total of $120

 

I understand how lending money works.
But in Islam there are rules against either borrowing it on ANY interest or "excessive" interest....and I'm not sure which one it is.

However, perhaps a non-religious person like myself who believes in The CREATOR will say he's thankful that we live in a society where we CAN borrow the $100 and pay it back as $120 if we really needed it for an emergency!

 

Perhaps we should be thankful to live in a society where you CAN borrow money to buy a car or house instead of being FORCED to live on the street or walk to your job because of religious rules that force you to buy ONLY if you have the money on you.
 

We are born into a system and often cannot see its faults or the benefits of Another

[umbrarchist]

I presume that if there is a "God" then He/She/It has a lower opinion of religion than I do. 

[ProfD]

17 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like brother Baines said, Elijah is a MAN and like all men he has certain needs.

All hu(mans) have needs, wants and desires.  Religion is an opiate; a form of oppression used to govern how humans go about satisfying themselves from a mental, physical and spiritual perspective. 

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

This World will be transformed

 

Then that means it will be a "different" world, right?
The old world would have ENDED and transformed into a NEW one

 

 

.

The amassing of Wealth Riches and fortunes is no guarantee of Joy and Happiness.

 

True.
But it guarantees more than poverty.

 

Who's usually the happiest:

-One who wants, but lacks the resources to have?
-Or one who wants, and can get?

 

 

 

I Disagree

 

On what basis?

 

 

 

 

That is less than half of the story...

The individual who you say is sexually indiscipline maybe practicing safe prescribe sex based on knowledge and experience that you know not of

While the sexually discipline individual is helping the poor and sick with little knowledge or foresight...as to wealth or disease

What does any of this have to do with the point I just made, that sexual discipline doesn't necessary lead to better fortune than NOT being sexually disciplined?

 

 

 

It protects you from unforeseen eventualities

How do you know?

 

Little children and even babies are often killed in traumatic events.
THEY didn't "do the do"...yet they were victims of unforeseen eventualies. (did you make this word up???)
 

How do you explain that?

  

 

 

Usury often destroys Societies as it does not add directly to GDP so to speak.

 

Can you give me a modern example of usury destroying a society?

 

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

Religion is an opiate; a form of oppression used to govern how humans go about satisfying themselves from a mental, physical and spiritual perspective

Powerful

 

[Troy]

18 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Can you give me a modern example of usury destroying a society?

 
Look at any ghetto and you will find payday loans check, cashin businessesg, any credit card with exorbitant interest rates some of them over 30% these all contribute to keeping poor people poor destroying entire generations
 

Or you can look at the housing cities, Rusonis, where Wall Street and collusion with lenders rating agencies and appraisers inflated. The value of homes built financial instruments based upon these toxic assets, stripping millions of people of their wealth and enriching themselves.

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

Look at any ghetto and you will find payday loans check, cashin businessesg, any credit card with exorbitant interest rates some of them over 30% these all contribute to keeping poor people poor destroying entire generations
 
I understand your argument however consider the alternatives:

1. Robbing people to get quick cash instead?
2. Selling dope for quick cash?

While you're looking at these businesses as vultures preying on the poor and vulnerable, some people can look at them as conveniences that prevent poor and destitute people from committing even MORE acts of desperation than they already are.

 

Perhaps we should be glad that a person CAN go and get an early loan for a high interest rate, as opposed to needing some quick money and unable to get one because loan sharking on the street went out of business 40 years ago.

Although these high-interest lending institutions may TARGET those in poverty, I don't think they are the CAUSE of poverty.
Not the main cause atleast.
Take them away and the poverty will still exist.

 

 

Or you can look at the housing cities, Rusonis, where Wall Street and collusion with lenders rating agencies and appraisers inflated. The value of homes built financial instruments based upon these toxic assets, stripping millions of people of their wealth and enriching themselves.

You said stripping them of their "wealth".

Do most people understand that you DO NOT OWN a home until your mortgage is TOTALLY paid off?

 

Many if not most people who are losing their houses aren't losing THEIR houses....they're losing their homes.
There's a difference.

The bank or lending institution is just repossessing what already belongs to them.

Let's keep this thing a buck....
Much of the poverty in the United States isn't due to high interest rates and usury.

It's due to poor decision making in general.........

1. Living beyond your means (trying to impress people)
2. Substance abuse, which zaps your money away.
3. Reckless behavior which leads to legal problems, which sucks your money up like a vacuum cleaner.

[Troy]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Although these high-interest lending institutions may TARGET those in poverty, I don't think they are the CAUSE of poverty.
Not the main cause atleast.
Take them away and the poverty will still exist.

 

No there are many factors that contribute to poverty.  However, the businesses I described make it harder to escape poverty creating cycles of generational poverty.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do most people understand that you DO NOT OWN a home until your mortgage is TOTALLY paid off?

 

You don't own it then.  Paid off homes can be lost to failure to pay taxes or HOA fees.  In Florida if you don't pay your taxes for three years they will throw your butt out of the home you "own."

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's due to poor decision making in general.........

 

Again this is victim blaming. 

 

I wonder @Pioneer1 during the century of reconstruction do you blame the Black people, who were impoverished for making "poor" decisions?  Yes or No?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Much of the poverty in the United States isn't due to high interest rates and usury.

 

Human greed is the only reason poverty exists.

 

A small fraction of the 8 billion people on the planet are liquid millionaires or richer.

 

The US debt is trillions of dollars and growing.

 

The US spends more money on weapons and dumb sh8t rather than provide housing, food and healthcare to every citizen.

 

Same goes for other countries around the planet. More money is being stolen by a few to the misery of the masses.

[frankster]

On 2/16/2025 at 11:17 PM, umbrarchist said:

I presume that if there is a "God" then He/She/It has a lower opinion of religion than I do. 

How low is your opinion of religion?

 

On 2/17/2025 at 11:14 AM, ProfD said:

All hu(mans) have needs, wants and desires.  Religion is an opiate; a form of oppression used to govern how humans go about satisfying themselves from a mental, physical and spiritual perspective. 

Religion has become oppressive and does dulls the minds of many

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

This World will be transformed

 

Then that means it will be a "different" world, right?

Yes

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The old world would have ENDED and transformed into a NEW one

Transformed means to Change....there is a continuity.

Ended means to Stop....there is no continuity.

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The amassing of Wealth Riches and fortunes is no guarantee of Joy and Happiness.

 

True.
But it guarantees more than poverty.

Ok

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Who's usually the happiest:

-One who wants, but lacks the resources to have?
-Or one who wants, and can get?

On the surface...it does appear that the getter - would be happier

The problem is not one of lack or plenty as it appears....but that of Wanting.

Always getting tends to result in boredom(emptiness).....the wanting remains

While not getting is frustrating....the wanting remains

Being satisfied with what you have is a one cornerstone of happiness

 

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I Disagree

 

On what basis?

I do not believe Unconsciousness means Nothingness

So the Atheist and The Christian may not experience hell heaven or nothingness

What comes next is any bodies guess and the possibilities are limitless

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

That is less than half of the story...

The individual who you say is sexually indiscipline maybe practicing safe prescribe sex based on knowledge and experience that you know not of

While the sexually discipline individual is helping the poor and sick with little knowledge or foresight...as to wealth or disease

What does any of this have to do with the point I just made, that sexual discipline doesn't necessary lead to better fortune than NOT being sexually disciplined?

Yes sexual discipline increases one fortune more often than not....

Sexual discipline is about the personal fortunes of the individuals involve...

There is no such thing as safe sex...When dealing with unsafe matters it behooves one to be - Wary

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It protects you from unforeseen eventualities

How do you know?

It is the Purpose of Scripture to protects from known risk...that  we may be unaware of.

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Little children and even babies are often killed in traumatic events

True...more often than not their caretakers were unaware of the causes that led up to the traumatic events.

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

THEY didn't "do the do"...yet they were victims of unforeseen eventualies. (did you make this word up???)

yes...they were in harms way....and how they are connected remains unknown to me.....but they are connected.

The word was a misspelling....  I guess I was trying to spell - eventualities...

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

How do you explain that?

You do not have to be directly involve to feel or experiences the blowback of others....proximity may in some cases be considered involvement

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

  Usury often destroys Societies as it does not add directly to GDP so to speak.

 

Can you give me a modern example of usury destroying a society?

Every neighborhood/community is a form or type of society.....Many such black societies have been destroyed by Discriminatory Lending..

 

Did Predatory Lending Target Black Communities? - CBN.com

 

Racially Discriminatory Lending Leads Black Communities Wealth Decline

 

It is the greatest contributor to the that which impoverishes or pauperize us all.....Inflation

Usury today is called Predatory Subprime Payday Odious Dept Trap High Interest Loan Sharking

 

On 2/18/2025 at 7:34 PM, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

Religion is an opiate; a form of oppression used to govern how humans go about satisfying themselves from a mental, physical and spiritual perspective

Powerful

It Is

 

On 2/19/2025 at 2:32 PM, Troy said:

 
Look at any ghetto and you will find payday loans check, cashin businessesg, any credit card with exorbitant interest rates some of them over 30% these all contribute to keeping poor people poor destroying entire generations

My guess is @Pioneer1 did not see or remember these connections

 

On 2/19/2025 at 2:32 PM, Troy said:

Or you can look at the housing cities, Rusonis, where Wall Street and collusion with lenders rating agencies and appraisers inflated. The value of homes built financial instruments based upon these toxic assets, stripping millions of people of their wealth and enriching themselves.

Usury is Greed dress as Service

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Troy

Look at any ghetto and you will find payday loans check, cashin businessesg, any credit card with exorbitant interest rates some of them over 30% these all contribute to keeping poor people poor destroying entire generations
 
I understand your argument however consider the alternatives:

1. Robbing people to get quick cash instead?
2. Selling dope for quick cash?

Those are not the only alternatives

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

While you're looking at these businesses as vultures preying on the poor and vulnerable, some people can look at them as conveniences that prevent poor and destitute people from committing even MORE acts of desperation than they already are.

How?

By putting them in more debt??

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Perhaps we should be glad that a person CAN go and get an early loan for a high interest rate, as opposed to needing some quick money and unable to get one because loan sharking on the street went out of business 40 years ago.

I would not be glad for anyone caught in a Debt Trap

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Although these high-interest lending institutions may TARGET those in poverty, I don't think they are the CAUSE of poverty.
Not the main cause atleast.
Take them away and the poverty will still exist.

The Cause of Poverty is Greed

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Or you can look at the housing cities, Rusonis, where Wall Street and collusion with lenders rating agencies and appraisers inflated. The value of homes built financial instruments based upon these toxic assets, stripping millions of people of their wealth and enriching themselves.

You said stripping them of their "wealth".

The "stripping" comes from loss of current and future growth of Equity

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Do most people understand that you DO NOT OWN a home until your mortgage is TOTALLY paid off?

Even then if they do not have Allodial Title you are nowhere near owning.

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Many if not most people who are losing their houses aren't losing THEIR houses....they're losing their homes.

And their vested interest and stake

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

There's a difference.

Yes

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The bank or lending institution is just repossessing what already belongs to them.

True....but not in every case

In many cases the Banks are using Color of Law with the collusion of the Courts to rob you and or deny you your Rights.

 

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Let's keep this thing a buck....
Much of the poverty in the United States isn't due to high interest rates and usury.

It is due to Greed

Usury is one way greed is expressed 

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It's due to poor decision making in general.........

Usually those decisions are made by Federal State and City Officials.

 

On 2/19/2025 at 7:36 PM, Pioneer1 said:

1. Living beyond your means (trying to impress people)
2. Substance abuse, which zaps your money away.
3. Reckless behavior which leads to legal problems, which sucks your money up like a vacuum cleaner.

Sounds like social issues

 

On 2/19/2025 at 9:07 PM, Troy said:

 

No there are many factors that contribute to poverty.  However, the businesses I described make it harder to escape poverty creating cycles of generational poverty.

True

 

On 2/19/2025 at 9:07 PM, Troy said:

You don't own it then.  Paid off homes can be lost to failure to pay taxes or HOA fees.  In Florida if you don't pay your taxes for three years they will throw your butt out of the home you "own."

True

 

On 2/19/2025 at 9:07 PM, Troy said:

Again this is victim blaming. 

How Conservative.

 

On 2/19/2025 at 9:07 PM, Troy said:

 

I wonder @Pioneer1 during the century of reconstruction do you blame the Black people, who were impoverished for making "poor" decisions?  Yes or No?

inquiring minds would like to know?

 

 

On 2/19/2025 at 10:34 PM, ProfD said:

 

Human greed is the only reason poverty exists.

True

 

On 2/19/2025 at 10:34 PM, ProfD said:

 

A small fraction of the 8 billion people on the planet are liquid millionaires or richer.

True

 

On 2/19/2025 at 10:34 PM, ProfD said:

 

The US debt is trillions of dollars and growing.

True

 

On 2/19/2025 at 10:34 PM, ProfD said:

 

The US spends more money on weapons and dumb sh8t rather than provide housing, food and healthcare to every citizen.

True

Though i do not know about the dump shyte??

 

On 2/19/2025 at 10:34 PM, ProfD said:

 

Same goes for other countries around the planet. More money is being stolen by a few to the misery of the masses.

True

[umbrarchist]

3 hours ago, frankster said:

How low is your opinion of religion?

 

Death Valley!

.

[frankster]

13 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

Death Valley!

Lol....

Do you consider Buddhism and Yoga as religions? 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

No there are many factors that contribute to poverty.  However, the businesses I described make it harder to escape poverty creating cycles of generational poverty.

 

I'm not even sure of that.
I think what I listed above....ADDICTIONS and constant run-ins with Law Enforcement make it harder to escape poverty because it makes it harder to get and keep a job OR save money to lift yourself up.

 

Pay-day Loan stores are NOT making or keeping people poor, my man.

 

 

 

You don't own it then.  Paid off homes can be lost to failure to pay taxes or HOA fees. 

 

Facts.

 

 

 

Again this is victim blaming. 

 

Exactly!
And the victim SHOULD be blamed if they are constantly making fucked up decisions in their lives to keep themselves in those conditions.

 

Are you saying a  crack head who is living in an alley SHOULDN'T be blamed for choosing to smoke crack?

Are you saying a person with multiple violent felonies and can't get a good job SHOULD'T be blamed for trying to emulate a "gangsta" life style when he was younger?

 

 

 

I wonder @Pioneer1 during the century of reconstruction do you blame the Black people, who were impoverished for making "poor" decisions?  Yes or No?

 

That was an illogical question because Reconstruction didn't last a century.
Only a few decades.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

Human greed is the only reason poverty exists.

 

This is VERY wrong...lol.

Again, you...like Troy...seem to forget about substance abuse and addictions, not to mention plain old fashioned stupidity where some people...because of no fault of their own...are just too dumb to make a living for themselves.

 

 

 

The US spends more money on weapons and dumb sh8t rather than provide housing, food and healthcare to every citizen.

 

Weapons aren't dumb shit, though.

These high-tech weapons are what PROTECTS America and ENABLES us to be able to provide housing, food, and healthcare for those who do have it without some other nation coming in and taking it away.

 

Get rid of the weapons...and the wealth will be TAKEN away in short order.

You can believe that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

On the surface...it does appear that the getter - would be happier

The problem is not one of lack or plenty as it appears....but that of Wanting.

Always getting tends to result in boredom(emptiness).....the wanting remains

 

For some.
Not for all

Boredom is better than suffering and anguish.
 

Being satisfied with what you have is a one cornerstone of happiness

 

There's a difference between SATISFACTION and COMPLACENCY.

Being satisfied means you're getting what you wanted.
Being complacent means you DIDN'T get what you wanted but you choose not to make a fuss about it.

 

 

I do not believe Unconsciousness means Nothingness

So the Atheist and The Christian may not experience hell heaven or nothingness

 

We were talking hypotheticals.

 

 

 

Yes sexual discipline increases one fortune more often than not....

Sexual discipline is about the personal fortunes of the individuals involve...

There is no such thing as safe sex...When dealing with unsafe matters it behooves one to be - Wary

 

It depends on your goal.
If your goal is to have sex and lots of it, then limited sexual experiences could be seen as a failure.

 

Your goals and what you consider "fortunate" may not always agree with another's.

 

 

 

It is the Purpose of Scripture to protects from known risk...that  we may be unaware of.

 

Well those scriptures didn't do a very good job of protecting the Christians from being killed during the Crusades or the Jews from killed during the Holocaust.

 

 

 

True...more often than not their caretakers were unaware of the causes that led up to the traumatic events.

 

So how does sexual discipline or the lack there of factor in, then?

 

 

 

 

and how they are connected remains unknown to me.

 

Could it be, there WAS no damn "connection"???

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many such black societies have been destroyed by Discriminatory Lending..

 

Examples...please.

Infact, one of the CORNER STONES of most Black Wall streets around America were the Black Banks.
These Black Banks charged their customers INTERESTS on their loans.
 

 

 

 

Those are not the only alternatives

 

Who said they were?

I listed them because they are MUCH more harmful to the community than pay-day loan sharking.

 

 

 

How?
By putting them in more debt??

 

No.
By getting them out of a bind so that they don't have to FEEL like they're forced to harm somebody or do something reckless for some quick cash.

 

 

 

 

The Cause of Poverty is Greed

 

This is wrong.

 

 

 

 

The "stripping" comes from loss of current and future growth of Equity

 

That's like a rental car company calling you up and telling you to give them their car back that was loaned to you is "stripping" you of your wealth.
It wasn't yours to begin with.


 

It is due to Greed

 

Again, you're wrong on this one.

 

 

 

Usually those decisions are made by Federal State and City Officials

.

For the most part, the Feds, State, or City doesn't force you to commit violent crimes or use illegal drugs.
These are usually choices made by the individual.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Human greed is the only reason poverty exists.

 

This is VERY wrong...lol.

Again, you...like Troy...seem to forget about substance abuse and addictions, not to mention plain old fashioned stupidity where some people...because of no fault of their own...are just too dumb to make a living for themselves.

Poverty leads to dysfunctional behaviors i.e. promiscuity, substance abuse, alcoholism and crime, etc.

 

People born impoverished did not put themselves at a disadvantage. They were born into a system.

 

Look no further than poorest countries around the planet. Greed rapes, pillages and plunders the weak. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Weapons aren't dumb shit, though.

These high-tech weapons are what PROTECTS America and ENABLES us to be able to provide housing, food, and healthcare for those who do have it without some other nation coming in and taking it away.

The US already hss enough weapons to destroy the world several times over.

 

At this point, our military power is just a flex. 

 

The US can afford to take of its citizens even if it never spent another nickel on weapons.

 

Otherwise, the US hasn't worried about being invaded in almost 100 years. The US is the strongest super power on the planet. 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Get rid of the weapons...and the wealth will be TAKEN away in short order.

You can believe that.

Nope. Most white Americans have plenty weapons too.

 

[frankster]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Troy

No there are many factors that contribute to poverty.  However, the businesses I described make it harder to escape poverty creating cycles of generational poverty.

 

I'm not even sure of that.
I think what I listed above....ADDICTIONS and constant run-ins with Law Enforcement make it harder to escape poverty because it makes it harder to get and keep a job OR save money to lift yourself up.

Overpoliced and Underprotected: Policing in Communities of Color

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Pay-day Loan stores are NOT making or keeping people poor, my man.

The make the Lenders Richer and the Borrowers Poorer....

How Wall Street Exploits Minorities w/ Payday Loans

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

You don't own it then.  Paid off homes can be lost to failure to pay taxes or HOA fees. 

 

Facts.

true

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again this is victim blaming. 

 

Exactly!
And the victim SHOULD be blamed if they are constantly making fucked up decisions in their lives to keep themselves in those conditions.

 

Are you saying a  crack head who is living in an alley SHOULDN'T be blamed for choosing to smoke crack?

Are you saying a person with multiple violent felonies and can't get a good job SHOULD'T be blamed for trying to emulate a "gangsta" life style when he was younger?

The School to Prison pipe Line.....The "school-to-prison pipeline" refers to a system where school policies and practices, often including zero-tolerance disciplinary measures, disproportionately push students, particularly students of color, out of school and into the criminal justice system through suspensions, expulsions, and arrests, ultimately increasing their likelihood of future incarceration; essentially funneling them from the classroom to prison

 

 

The school-to-prison pipeline, explained

Racial Segregation and Concentrated Poverty: The History of Housing in Black America

Majority-Black school districts face funding gaps for their buildings

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I wonder @Pioneer1 during the century of reconstruction do you blame the Black people, who were impoverished for making "poor" decisions?  Yes or No?

 

That was an illogical question because Reconstruction didn't last a century.
Only a few decades.

The Truth about Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap

 

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 

 

Human greed is the only reason poverty exists.

 

This is VERY wrong...lol.

Again, you...like Troy...seem to forget about substance abuse and addictions, not to mention plain old fashioned stupidity where some people...because of no fault of their own...are just too dumb to make a living for themselves.

Some companies discriminate against Black job applicants more than others, report finds

 

Minority job applicants are “whitening” their resumes by deleting references to their race with the hope of boosting their shot at jobs, and research shows the strategy is paying off.

In fact, companies are more than twice as likely to call minority applicants for interviews if they submit whitened resumes than candidates who reveal their race—and this discriminatory practice is just as strong for businesses that claim to value diversity as those that don’t.

https://www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

The US spends more money on weapons and dumb sh8t rather than provide housing, food and healthcare to every citizen.

 

Weapons aren't dumb shit, though.

These high-tech weapons are what PROTECTS America and ENABLES us to be able to provide housing, food, and healthcare for those who do have it without some other nation coming in and taking it away.

 

Get rid of the weapons...and the wealth will be TAKEN away in short order.

You can believe that.

The Money spend on weapons is way out of proportion to what is needed....based on what our next biggest weapons procuring Nations are spending..

So Again it is greedy Government Officials and Government Contractors who are defrauding the tax payers in order to line their pockets...

Most Inner city suffer from subpar heath care housing blight and food deserts

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

On the surface...it does appear that the getter - would be happier

The problem is not one of lack or plenty as it appears....but that of Wanting.

Always getting tends to result in boredom(emptiness).....the wanting remains

 

For some.
Not for all

Boredom is better than suffering and anguish.

It all depends on what you do with your suffering or boredom.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Being satisfied with what you have is a one cornerstone of happiness

 

There's a difference between SATISFACTION and COMPLACENCY.

Being satisfied means you're getting what you wanted.
Being complacent means you DIDN'T get what you wanted but you choose not to make a fuss about it.

Hence the reason I used Satisfied.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I do not believe Unconsciousness means Nothingness

So the Atheist and The Christian may not experience hell heaven or nothingness

 

We were talking hypotheticals.

If you say so.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes sexual discipline increases one fortune more often than not....

Sexual discipline is about the personal fortunes of the individuals involve...

There is no such thing as safe sex...When dealing with unsafe matters it behooves one to be - Wary

 

It depends on your goal.
If your goal is to have sex and lots of it, then limited sexual experiences could be seen as a failure.

 

Your goals and what you consider "fortunate" may not always agree with another's.

Sometimes getting want we Want is not good or best for us..

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is the Purpose of Scripture to protects from known risk...that  we may be unaware of.

 

Well those scriptures didn't do a very good job of protecting the Christians from being killed during the Crusades or the Jews from killed during the Holocaust.

If you are a Christian or a Jew you are Practicing Religion or being religious.....That is not always the same as following scripture and or being Spiritual.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

True...more often than not their caretakers were unaware of the causes that led up to the traumatic events.

 

So how does sexual discipline or the lack there of factor in, then?

Maybe the caretaker sexual indiscipline caused a Retribution....

The Children Proximity is their involvement...

1 Peter 3:17 or Exodus 34:7

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

and how they are connected remains unknown to me.

 

Could it be, there WAS no damn "connection"???

No..

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many such black societies have been destroyed by Discriminatory Lending..

 

Examples...please.

I gave two youtube about communities in Balitmore...

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Infact, one of the CORNER STONES of most Black Wall streets around America were the Black Banks.
These Black Banks charged their customers INTERESTS on their loans.

Yes...as it was the custom.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those are not the only alternatives

 

Who said they were?

I listed them because they are MUCH more harmful to the community than pay-day loan sharking.

Cool.

The Idea is to share in the recipients of the loans success....not to profit regardless of if they fail or succeed.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

How?
By putting them in more debt??

 

No.
By getting them out of a bind so that they don't have to FEEL like they're forced to harm somebody or do something reckless for some quick cash.

You get out of one bind only to put then in another bind.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Cause of Poverty is Greed

 

This is wrong.

How so?

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The "stripping" comes from loss of current and future growth of Equity

 

That's like a rental car company calling you up and telling you to give them their car back that was loaned to you is "stripping" you of your wealth.
It wasn't yours to begin with.

When renting a car there is no Closing Cost Binder Note Loan Title and Earnest Money - Down payment

A Conventional Mortgage Loan requires a 20% down payment that is your Equity.

Depending on how long you pay your Monthly Installments your equity grows.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is due to Greed

 

Again, you're wrong on this one.

And Again How so?

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Usually those decisions are made by Federal State and City Officials

.

For the most part, the Feds, State, or City doesn't force you to commit violent crimes or use illegal drugs.
These are usually choices made by the individual.

Really..... 

 

 

 

Activists work to heal damaging effects of redlining on minority Americans

 

The CIA represents the State and so de facto The State is pushing drugs in the inner city...in effect pushing crimes and criminality.

"

Annotation

This book, written by a former undercover agent working for the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), charges that the Central Intelligence Agency and other U.S. Federal agencies are perpetuating the scourge of drugs on American streets while they profess to be fighting the war on drugs.

"https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/big-white-lie-cia-and-cocainecrack-epidemic

 

 

The Real Story Behind CIA and Crack Cocaine

 

 

[umbrarchist]

9 hours ago, frankster said:

Lol....

Do you consider Buddhism and Yoga as religions? 

I have not read about Buddhism since some world religions class in high school. I would consider it a religion but with a stronger personal philosophical style than Christianity or Islam. No hierarchical authority.

 

I just thought of yoga as a physical exercise system but I have not investigated it at all.

[Troy]

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That was an illogical question because Reconstruction didn't last a century.
Only a few decades.

Right, I meant post reconstruction leading into an including the civil rights era.

@Pioneer1 tread @frankster’s last post with your thinking cap on.

[frankster]

15 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

I have not read about Buddhism since some world religions class in high school. I would consider it a religion but with a stronger personal philosophical style than Christianity or Islam. No hierarchical authority.

True....

Yet they do not believe in a Supreme Creator Being/Entity

 

15 hours ago, umbrarchist said:

I just thought of yoga as a physical exercise system but I have not investigated it at all.

Yoga is a Science....

[umbrarchist]

1 hour ago, frankster said:

True....

Yet they do not believe in a Supreme Creator Being/Entity

 

Yoga is a Science....

OK!

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Poverty leads to dysfunctional behaviors i.e. promiscuity, substance abuse, alcoholism and crime, etc.

 

They feed off of eachother.
Poverty often leads to those problems and THOSE problems often lead to poverty.
Although I will argue that "promiscuity" isn't necessarily a problem or a vice unless you're religious and it's forbidden.

 

 

People born impoverished did not put themselves at a disadvantage. They were born into a system.

 

No brutha, people BORN into it didn't do it but their PARENTS probably did.
How many people from wealthy and privileged backgrounds CHOSE to use drugs or drop out of school or engage in the street life and ended up in poverty because of those poor decisions and then had children who ended up suffering because of them.
I bet YOU know of some just like I know of some.

They weren't born into that situation because of some "system"; they were born into that situation because their PARENTS CHOSE a lifestyle that put them into that situation.
...and chose to HAVE THEM while in that debased state.
But then that gets into abortion which is a different subject all together.

 

 

 

Look no further than poorest countries around the planet. Greed rapes, pillages and plunders the weak. 

 

The lesson is....don't be weak, lol.

 

 

 

The US already hss enough weapons to destroy the world several times over.

 

Which is why the U.S. makes money SELLING her excess weapons.

 

 

 

The US can afford to take of its citizens even if it never spent another nickel on weapons.

 

Facts.

 

 

 

 

 

Otherwise, the US hasn't worried about being invaded in almost 100 years. The US is the strongest super power on the planet. 

 

Yes.
And if she stopped spending money on advanced weaponry, she wouldn't be for long...lol.

She must be doing SOMETHING right if she hadn't been invaded in over 100 years..so keep doing what you're doing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

 

Video: Overpoliced and Underprotected: Policing in Communities of Color

Ok, and what does this video have to do with the FACT that constantly running into law enforcement and legal issues is a major cause of poverty?

 

We know that criminal defense should be free.
I agree.

However it's not, so a person should use some GOOD SENSE and avoid driving without insurance, without license, and cussing out the police over minor things....as much as they can to avoid legal problem if they know they aren't Donald Trump and can't get away with the shit.

 

 

 

 

Video: How Wall Street Exploits Minorities w/ Payday Loans

EXPLOITING poverty isn't the same as CAUSING poverty.

 

If I see a prostitute on the corner and I pay her for sex, I'm EXPLOITING her.
But I didn't MAKE her become a prostitute.
She was that before doing business with me and will be that afterwards.

It's the same with these loan shark businesses.
Poverty existed BEFORE them and will exist AFTER them.

 

 

 

 

.The "school-to-prison pipeline" refers to a system where school policies and practices, often including zero-tolerance disciplinary measures, disproportionately push students, particularly students of color, out of school and into the criminal justice system through suspensions, expulsions, and arrests, ultimately increasing their likelihood of future incarceration; essentially funneling them from the classroom to prison

 

Man....
Why are you telling us this?
We already know this?

What does this have to do with what I just said about people CHOOSING to smoke crack and CHOSING to be a gangsta and engage in a life of violent crime?

You're putting out a bunch of shit that SOUNDS good but has little to do with countering my argument.

Video: Majority-Black school districts face funding gaps for their buildings
 

OK, here we go again.
More shit that we already know and SOUNDS good and hype....but again, how does this counter any argument I've made??????





 

The Money spend on weapons is way out of proportion to what is needed....based on what our next biggest weapons procuring Nations are spending..

So Again it is greedy Government Officials and Government Contractors who are defrauding the tax payers in order to line their pockets...

Most Inner city suffer from subpar heath care housing blight and food deserts
 

Facts.
That money SHOULD be going to the people to help alleviate poverty.
The fact that the government is spending more money on weapons it doesn't need than on it's people is a FACTOR in poverty, but not the only one.





 

It all depends on what you do with your suffering or boredom.
 

Most of the time if a person is suffering bad enough, it affects their thinking.
Often times they can't think clearly enough to weigh all of their options and come up with solutions to alleviate their suffering.

One of the reasons a lot of poor people remain in poverty is because they're too busy working and trying to come up with money to THINK of a clear plan to get up out of their situation.

Sometimes getting want we Want is not good or best for us..
 

True.
But your GOAL is your GOAL, whether it's "good" or "bad".

If that's their goal and what they want........




If you are a Christian or a Jew you are Practicing Religion or being religious.....That is not always the same as following scripture and or being Spiritual.
 

True.
But many practicing Christian clergy members have been killed for their religion and many Jewish Rabbis were killed in the Holocaust.
They had scripture and they PRACTICED it more than most, but did it save them from suffering and death???

So how did their scriptures help them in that particular situation?



 

Yes...as it was the custom.
 

So if Black Banks were the cornerstones of those Black communities and they practiced Usury, how could usury itself be THE problem and downfall of Black communities?




 

You get out of one bind only to put then in another bind.
 

Sometimes, sometimes not.
But the major point is that it often prevents them from doing things MORE harmful to the community or those around them.
Like robbing someone or taking their mother's jewelry or entertainment center and selling it for quick cash.


 

How so?
 

Because there are MULTIPLE causes of poverty, not just Greed.
And infact, I would say that Greed is one of the LEAST causes of poverty.

That's like pointing to a rich, handsome, lady's man who is promiscuous and screws women left and right and saying HE is the reason a broke, ugly, stupid man who is afraid to talk to women isn't getting any trim...lol.

Yes, that rich handsome man MAY be screwing more women than he really needs, but HE'S not the reason that broke silly ass dude ain't getting any pussy.
If that rich man didn't have sex with ANY women anymore...the broke stupid dude would STILL not be getting any trim, lol.
 

Likewise.....
A lot of rich people ARE greedy and getting richer, but THAT'S not the cause or even a major cause of poverty in America.




 

Troy

 

@Pioneer1 tread @frankster’s last post with your thinking cap on.
 

Man are you serious?
 

Why?
Most of his videos and points have little to nothing to do with the actual points I've made let alone actually negate them.


I say that greed isn't THE cause of poverty in America but it isn't even a major cause.
You put out a video about how the CIA brought crack to America????

Ok?


I say that people shouldn't engage in the gangsta lifestyle or talk shit to the police, to avoid law enforcement and legal problem which can quickly zap your money away.
So you put out a video about the police snatching young sistas out of their chair in the class room and abusing them and police misconduct???
It's inflammatory and raises the emotions, but how does that counter or negate my point about using good sense to stay out of trouble?

 

Posting a lot of shit that we already know may SOUND good but just because it's true or sounds good...doesn't mean it proves or counters a PARTICULAR POINT being made in a given argument.

I don't do circular arguing.
If I make a point either AGREE with it....IGNORE it....or COUNTER it.

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Although I will argue that "promiscuity" isn't necessarily a problem or a vice unless you're religious and it's forbidden.

Promiscuity is a problem for impoverished people. Poor and broke folks have zero business procreating.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

No brutha, people BORN into it didn't do it but their PARENTS probably did.

Are white Americans in poverty due to making bad choices?

 

Haiti has been impoverished for centuries. I believe the French had more to do with it than Haitian parents.

 

Same goes for every other poor country on the planet. Follow the money. Greed.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How many people from wealthy and privileged backgrounds CHOSE..decisions and then had children who ended up suffering because of them.

The number of people who chose to go from riches to rags is low in the grand scheme of things.

 

In fact,  I know more folks who went from rags to riches.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And if she stopped spending money on advanced weaponry, she wouldn't be for long...lol.

She must be doing SOMETHING right if she hadn't been invaded in over 100 years..so keep doing what you're doing.

Why does a country need so much weaponry?

 

There's a reason Scandinavian countries do not have an abundance of weapons or high crime rates or impoverished people.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Because there are MULTIPLE causes of poverty, not just Greed.
And infact, I would say that Greed is one of the LEAST causes of poverty.

There is zero poverty if resources are distributed equally across the population. Greed prevents it.

 

Wealthy  people do not become so through any form of hard work.

 

It's very hard for working people to become wealthy. 

 

Human greed is the major factor whether it is rich and poor or war and peace.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Promiscuity is a problem for impoverished people. Poor and broke folks have zero business procreating.

 

Promiscuity doesn't necessarily lead to procreation.
I don't think people should be INTENTIONALLY having and raising children in an impoverished environment.
But sex is a biological need for most people and is a usually free form of recreation and therapy IF properly practiced.

 

 

 

 

Are white Americans in poverty due to making bad choices?

 

Some are, some aren't.
The same can be said about people of EVERY race to a lesser or greater degree.

Now, poor Whites can't use the element of racism to explain their poverty, but alcohol abuse and drug addiction or stupidity can.

 

 

 

 

 

Haiti has been impoverished for centuries. I believe the French had more to do with it than Haitian parents.

 

Haiti may be impoverished as a nation but there are PLENTY of rich Haitians.
Not to mention the thousands if not millions of Haitians living abroad making money and gaining skills who could do more to improve their home country.

 

 

 

 

In fact,  I know more folks who went from rags to riches.

 

How were they able to do so in a system lead by greedy people and predatory lending institutions that MADE people poor?

If they were born in rags, it would seem that the system of Greed would KEEP them in rags.

 

Could it be THEIR PERSONAL DECISIONS that got them out of poverty?

 

 

 

 

 

Theres a reason Scandinavian countries do not have an abundance of weapons or high crime rates or impoverished people.

 

Yeah, the United States is PROTECTING their ass...lol.

One of the reasons the U.S. spends so much money on weapons is because she is the police for the planet...or atleast of it.

Western Europe doesn't need much of a military because after WWII  the U.S. decided the best thing to do is to keep them disarmed while WE agree to protect them against any Soviet/Russian invasion.
So they can AFFORD to spend most of their money on healthcare and education since they don't have to spend it on the military because WE keep them secure.

 

 

 

 

There is zero poverty if resources are distributed equally across the population. Greed prevents it.

 

First of all humans are programed to accumulate as much wealth and resources as they can to provide for themselves and their children and family and ENSURE provisions for the future.

 

Like Puff Daddy said in "All About The Benjamins":

 

"And what you can't have NOW...leave in your will"

Also, WHO would be in charge o doing the "equal distribution"???
You correctly mentioned in other threads that it would be foolish to expect White folks to treat US the same as they treat their own people.  So why expect THEM...if they're handling the resources...to equally and fairly distribute them?

 

 

Wealthy  people do not become so through any form of hard work.

 

No, but if they GET wealthy (as opposed to being born into it) it's because of SMART work and proper decision making.

Even if they hit the lottery, they made the decision to take a chance spending their money on the ticket and probably did so many times as a form of investment.

But ACQUIRING wealth is usually an act of Divine Favor as well as proper decision making.
 

 

 

It's very hard for working people to become wealthy. 

 

For most people, yes.
 

[ProfD]

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But sex is a biological need for most people and is a usually free form of recreation and therapy IF properly practiced.

It's often used like any other form of medication...drugs and alcohol. 

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Some are, some aren't.

The same can be said about people of EVERY race to a lesser or greater degree.

Right. As your comment about Haiti suggests.

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now, poor Whites can't use the element of racism to explain their poverty, but alcohol abuse and drug addiction or stupidity can.

Poor white folks could use class as an excuse but it still comes down to greed.

 

When companies outsource Jobs to other countries or robotics or AI, it leaves the population jobless.

 

No job. No money. Poor.

 

Poverty leads people to self-medicate in different ways and/or resort to crime. 

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Haiti may be impoverished as a nation but there are PLENTY of rich Haitians.
Not to mention the thousands if not millions of Haitians living abroad making money and gaining skills who could do more to improve their home country.

As you mentioned above, same can be said for any group of people.

 

While you emphasize n8gglets doing dumb sh8t, there's plenty Black folks who are well off.

 

Black America has $1.7 trillion dollars in purchasing power. 

 

Yet, no matter how successful a few, their home country in the case of places like Haiti, Caribbean and African countries are still f8cked.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

How were they able to do so in a system lead by greedy people and predatory lending institutions that MADE people poor?

Greed made the people poor in the 1st place. The system keeps them there. 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If they were born in rags, it would seem that the system of Greed would KEEP them in rags.

Most people born in rags will remain there from one generation to the next.

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Could it be THEIR PERSONAL DECISIONS that got them out of poverty?

There's always exceptions. Some folks get lucky enough to make it out of a bad situation.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Western Europe doesn't need much of a military because after WWII  the U.S. decided the best thing to do is to keep them disarmed while WE agree to protect them against any Soviet/Russian invasion.
So they can AFFORD to spend most of their money on healthcare and education since they don't have to spend it on the military because WE keep them secure.

The people aren't poor because as a homogenous society, they inherently take care of each other. 

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

First of all humans are programed to accumulate as much wealth and resources as they can to provide for themselves and their children and family and ENSURE provisions for the future.

There would be no poverty if that was true.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Like Puff Daddy said in "All About The Benjamins":

"And what you can't have NOW...leave in your will"

Diddy is an example of showcasing under the system of racism white supremacy. He got lucky when a gay, white Jew man loaned him $40 million dollars to bring him into the Hip-Hop cash cow. 

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Also, WHO would be in charge o doing the "equal distribution"???
You correctly mentioned in other threads that it would be foolish to expect White folks to treat US the same as they treat their own people.  So why expect THEM...if they're handling the resources...to equally and fairly distribute them?

Since they are controlling distribution of resources, they're also maintaining poverty.

 

The only way to get out of bad system is to destroy it.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

No, but if they GET wealthy (as opposed to being born into it) it's because of SMART work and proper decision making.

You may want to study how wealth is accumulated.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even if they hit the lottery, they made the decision to take a chance spending their money on the ticket and probably did so many times as a form of investment.

Lottery tickets are not an investment strategy. Its no different from gambling. Totally based on chance and luck.

 

The number of people who become rich winning the lottery is negligible.

 

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

But ACQUIRING wealth is usually an act of Divine Favor as well as proper decision making.

Not true. Again, study wealthy people if you truly want to understand how they got it.

 

There's a reason a fraction of one percent of the world population controls the wealth. It has little or nothing to do with divine favor or intelligence or decision-making.

 

Amassing and maintaining wealth requires a certain amount  ruthlessness which is fueled by greed and power.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

It's often used like any other form of medication...drugs and alcohol. 

 

True.
Which means that LIKE alcohol and drugs...it CAN be therapeutic and helpful, if practiced properly.

 

 

 

 Poor white folks could use class as an excuse but it still comes down to greed.
When companies outsource Jobs to other countries or robotics or AI, it leaves the population jobless.
No job. No money. Poor.
Poverty leads people to self-medicate in different ways and/or resort to crime. 

 

Is that a valid excuse for poor Whites to engage in rampant meth use until their teeth fall out or they end up destroying half the trailer park with their janky meth-labs????

These are decisions THEY made to deal with their poverty.

Other people deal with poverty by focusing on religion, or furthering their education, or other means.

 

 

 

Yet, no matter how successful a few, their home country in the case of places like Haiti, Caribbean and African countries are still f8cked.

 

I was having a discussion with a Kenyan brutha the other day and he was talking about how some people in his nation still have dirt floors because they are so poor.
I asked him, 
"Do they WANT regular floors or do they actually want dirt floors?"
He looked at me crazy and said,

"Ofcourse.  Who wants to live or sleep on the bare ground?  But the people are so poor they can't afford one"

I said,
"What's stopping them from going to the forest, cutting down trees, making wooden planks and laying them across the floor of their home so that atleast they'll have SOME sort of floor and their ass won't be scraping the ground when they go to bed?"
 

He kept saying that I don't live there so I don't understand.

He's right, I don't live there...but I know bullshit when I smell it.
 

A lot of our people are fucked up out of LAZINESS and lack of ambition.
Sitting around waiting on White folks to do for them what they SHOULD be doing for themselves.

Many of the people in these nations are unemployed, which means they aren't working.  But they're young and healthy and can EASILY get their asses off the streets corners and shacks and get out into the woods, cut lumber, and FIX UP their houses and make floors for themselves!
They don't do it.

Many of them are too busy sitting around on milk-crates smoking cigarettes waiting on their government to distribute foreign aid to them or relatives who live abroad to send them money.
Not all...but too many.
 

Those are facts.

Much of their poverty comes out of LAZINESS and LACK OF AMBITION.

Greed made the people poor in the 1st place. The system keeps them there. 
 

Not using the creativity you were Divinely given also makes and keeps people poor.

They're using the lack of AMERICAN or EUROPEAN money/currency as an excuse to sit around and do nothing when they can actually work just as hard for RESOURCES as they can for actual currency.

If your community needs food you can get out and grow food because you need it, not just because you're being paid to.

There's always exceptions. Some folks get lucky enough to make it out of a bad situation.
 

Can you give me 2 examples of people YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who went from rags to riches?



 

The people aren't poor because as a homogenous society, they inherently take care of each other. 
 

So is Haiti, yet they're poor.
So is Guatemala, yet they're still poor.
Bangladesh is also homogenous, yet their still poor.

So there must be another factor or factors.



 

 He got lucky when a gay, white Jew man loaned him $40 million dollars to bring him into the Hip-Hop cash cow. 
 

President Obama said "luck" is when Opportunity meets Preparedness.

That man couldn't have loaned ANY fool $40 million and expected the same results.
He knew to loan it to a man smart and ambitious enough to actually DO SOMETHING with it.

 

 

 

 

You may want to study how wealth is accumulated.
 

Are you saying it's NOT accumulated through proper decision making?




 

Lottery tickets are not an investment strategy. Its no different from gambling. Totally based on chance and luck.
 

But still, that chance is there.
It's better than spending your money on illegal drugs which offers NO chance of increasing your wealth.

 

 

 

Not true. Again, study wealthy people if you truly want to understand how they got it.
 

Again, are you saying that people who GOT wealthy didn't do so from making certain decisions that led them towards wealth?



 

Amassing and maintaining wealth requires a certain amount  ruthlessness which is fueled by greed and power
 

All of this sounds like a matter of a person making certain DECISIONS concerning their behavior and how they interact with and treat others on their road to riches.

 

[frankster]

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 

Poverty leads to dysfunctional behaviors i.e. promiscuity, substance abuse, alcoholism and crime, etc.

 

They feed off of eachother.
Poverty often leads to those problems and THOSE problems often lead to poverty.
Although I will argue that "promiscuity" isn't necessarily a problem or a vice unless you're religious and it's forbidden.

Yes the do feed off each other...

Comes back to Greed....

The Provider and or Purveyor of such Goods and Services is Destroying the Social Fabric of a Community for Profit.

The Abuser of Such Goods and Services....Without the Provider Such activities Will not exist - at least dramatically reduced

will have nowhere but legitimates sources to exercise Such Activities

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

People born impoverished did not put themselves at a disadvantage. They were born into a system.

 

No brutha, people BORN into it didn't do it but their PARENTS probably did.
How many people from wealthy and privileged backgrounds CHOSE to use drugs or drop out of school or engage in the street life and ended up in poverty because of those poor decisions and then had children who ended up suffering because of them.
I bet YOU know of some just like I know of some.

They weren't born into that situation because of some "system"; they were born into that situation because their PARENTS CHOSE a lifestyle that put them into that situation.
...and chose to HAVE THEM while in that debased state.
But then that gets into abortion which is a different subject all together.

Those who fell from Riches into Poverty are far and away outnumber by those who are born into Poverty created and maintained by a System

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Look no further than poorest countries around the planet. Greed rapes, pillages and plunders the weak. 

 

The lesson is....don't be weak, lol.

True...that is the Barbarity/Barbarization we currently live in

Civilization on the other hand tries to protect the weak and the strong.

 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The US already hss enough weapons to destroy the world several times over.

 

Which is why the U.S. makes money SELLING her excess weapons.

More Weapons do not equate to more Security....

 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The US can afford to take of its citizens even if it never spent another nickel on weapons.

 

Facts.

cool

 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Otherwise, the US hasn't worried about being invaded in almost 100 years. The US is the strongest super power on the planet. 

 

Yes.
And if she stopped spending money on advanced weaponry, she wouldn't be for long...lol.

She must be doing SOMETHING right if she hadn't been invaded in over 100 years..so keep doing what you're doing.

 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Video: Overpoliced and Underprotected: Policing in Communities of Color

Ok, and what does this video have to do with the FACT that constantly running into law enforcement and legal issues is a major cause of poverty?

Gives you a criminal record....your chances of being gainfully employed is severely reduced.

Incarceration negatively impacts on individuals and their families physically financially and psychology.

Loss of time...reduces your ability to learn a profession or trade and gain experience.

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

We know that criminal defense should be free.
I agree.

However it's not, so a person should use some GOOD SENSE and avoid driving without insurance, without license, and cussing out the police over minor things....as much as they can to avoid legal problem if they know they aren't Donald Trump and can't get away with the shit.

True..

But then that is encouraging and perpetuation the idea and fact that they are individuals above the Law 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Video: How Wall Street Exploits Minorities w/ Payday Loans

EXPLOITING poverty isn't the same as CAUSING poverty.

 

If I see a prostitute on the corner and I pay her for sex, I'm EXPLOITING her.

But I didn't MAKE her become a prostitute.
She was that before doing business with me and will be that afterwards.

Not if it is her first day....then you become part of the Cause

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's the same with these loan shark businesses.
Poverty existed BEFORE them and will exist AFTER them.

They Exasperate and Perpetuate it...

If the first loan you are taking....then payday loan is the cause of you entering into a Debt Trap.

We all know that all traps are design to capture kidnap and hold for Abuse.

 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The "school-to-prison pipeline" refers to a system where school policies and practices, often including zero-tolerance disciplinary measures, disproportionately push students, particularly students of color, out of school and into the criminal justice system through suspensions, expulsions, and arrests, ultimately increasing their likelihood of future incarceration; essentially funneling them from the classroom to prison

 

Man....
Why are you telling us this?
We already know this?

Because this has implications of the causes and generation of Poverty

Can you dig it?

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What does this have to do with what I just said about people CHOOSING to smoke crack and CHOSING to be a gangsta and engage in a life of violent crime?

You're putting out a bunch of shit that SOUNDS good but has little to do with countering my argument.

You are teaching crime and violence to the youths who grow up in that life....by criminalizing their culture and normalizing violence.

While housing then in blight and neglect.

Are you with me?

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Video: Majority-Black school districts face funding gaps for their buildings
 

OK, here we go again.
More shit that we already know and SOUNDS good and hype....but again, how does this counter any argument I've made??????

They are being Underserved and being done a Disservice

do you feel me?

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

The Money spend on weapons is way out of proportion to what is needed....based on what our next biggest weapons procuring Nations are spending..

So Again it is greedy Government Officials and Government Contractors who are defrauding the tax payers in order to line their pockets...

Most Inner city suffer from subpar heath care housing blight and food deserts
 

Facts.
That money SHOULD be going to the people to help alleviate poverty.
The fact that the government is spending more money on weapons it doesn't need than on it's people is a FACTOR in poverty, but not the only one.

Agreed

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It all depends on what you do with your suffering or boredom.
 

Most of the time if a person is suffering bad enough, it affects their thinking.
Often times they can't think clearly enough to weigh all of their options and come up with solutions to alleviate their suffering.

One of the reasons a lot of poor people remain in poverty is because they're too busy working and trying to come up with money to THINK of a clear plan to get up out of their situation.

True

As well as Systems are in place to favor some and not others.

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sometimes getting want we Want is not good or best for us..
 

True.
But your GOAL is your GOAL, whether it's "good" or "bad".

If that's their goal and what they want........

True....then you must accept the consequences of sexual promiscuity and immorality

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you are a Christian or a Jew you are Practicing Religion or being religious.....That is not always the same as following scripture and or being Spiritual.
 

True.
But many practicing Christian clergy members have been killed for their religion and many Jewish Rabbis were killed in the Holocaust.
They had scripture and they PRACTICED it more than most, but did it save them from suffering and death???

True..

They did not die because of the failure of Scripture.... but because of  their involvement in Religion Politics or differing Philosophies.

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So how did their scriptures help them in that particular situation?

If they be Christians or Jews that means they are Already Involved Religion....

Scripture Shows the Way - you save yourself.

Actions Already done must run their course to Reaction...

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes...as it was the custom.
 

So if Black Banks were the cornerstones of those Black communities and they practiced Usury, how could usury itself be THE problem and downfall of Black communities?

It does not Encourage Real Growth in Production and Services.

It Acts as a Trap to Low income Earners from whom a sizable percentage of their Wealth is taken.

Robbing the Working class of both Leisure Time and Discretionary Funds.....An Opportunity Cost Coerced exchange of other Creative Investments

Adding to the Money Supply directly leading to Inflation

Payday Loans are usurious.....and the video directly shows and demonstrates its deleterious effects on Black Communities.

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You get out of one bind only to put then in another bind.
 

Sometimes, sometimes not.
But the major point is that it often prevents them from doing things MORE harmful to the community or those around them.
Like robbing someone or taking their mother's jewelry or entertainment center and selling it for quick cash.

More often than not it makes a bad situation worse....it is not a viable solution - at most a temporary delay.

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How so?
 

Because there are MULTIPLE causes of poverty, not just Greed.

Yes they are multiply causes of Poverty.

Greed is the most direct cause...it effects can be seen in many other causes of Poverty

Greed at the Retail level...High deceptive unfair gouging pricing and inferior Goods and Services

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And infact, I would say that Greed is one of the LEAST causes of poverty.

Greed on the Governmental Level leads to Price Fixing.....

Where in a product that cost under $20 to produce manufacture and delivered to retail customers is price to customers at over $700

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's like pointing to a rich, handsome, lady's man who is promiscuous and screws women left and right and saying HE is the reason a broke, ugly, stupid man who is afraid to talk to women isn't getting any trim...lol.

Yes, that rich handsome man MAY be screwing more women than he really needs, but HE'S not the reason that broke silly ass dude ain't getting any pussy.
If that rich man didn't have sex with ANY women anymore...the broke stupid dude would STILL not be getting any trim, lol.

The example is untenable at best tangential.

Of course he is not the reason why the guy is ugly poor and practically celibate...they are no direct interaction between the two shown

Should they share the same economic and social space.....one may find a inverse relationship between the two

Example the ugly guy may experience more wealth and female attention when the handsome ladies man is not around....especially if the are both gigolos.

Which can either be Correlative and or Causative

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Likewise.....
A lot of rich people ARE greedy and getting richer, but THAT'S not the cause or even a major cause of poverty in America.

Rich greed affects the entire economy of the Globe....

Commodities Pricing Shipping and Delivery of Goods and Services - most  important direction of Development

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Troy

 

@Pioneer1 tread @frankster’s last post with your thinking cap on.
 

Man are you serious?
 

Why?
Most of his videos and points have little to nothing to do with the actual points I've made let alone actually negate them.

If you can't see the connection....

Then do you need a tutorial on how they connect?

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I say that greed isn't THE cause of poverty in America but it isn't even a major cause.
You put out a video about how the CIA brought crack to America???

So it show the Government Knowingly Poisoning a Black Community - in other words destroying it basic human infrastructure

Crack destroys Communities Families and Individuals - Those are First and Primary Causes of Poverty

Do you agree? or understand the above?

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ok?
I say that people shouldn't engage in the gangsta lifestyle or talk shit to the police, to avoid law enforcement and legal problem which can quickly zap your money away.

Those are Secondary Causes

Over Policing and Criminalization of the Poor and Black Culture....leads to Social Dysfunctions

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So you put out a video about the police snatching young sistas out of their chair in the class room and abusing them and police misconduct???
It's inflammatory and raises the emotions, but how does that counter or negate my point about using good sense to stay out of trouble?

You can not stay out of Trouble....When you are both being Program to Violent React and the Target of Oppressive Policies.

 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Posting a lot of shit that we already know may SOUND good but just because it's true or sounds good...doesn't mean it proves or counters a PARTICULAR POINT being made in a given argument.

It does if it is the same subject matter we are discussing....or have a close corroborative and causal link

Subject matter is - Causes of Poverty

In the USA Native Americans Africans Americans and Hispanic American suffer the Most from and the Worst forms of Poverty

LOL....This is Good - somehow it sounds so Republican

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't do circular arguing.
If I make a point either AGREE with it....IGNORE it....or COUNTER it.

That's why i try not to give long Answers...my answer are straight forward to the point.

My video i try to pick them as short and as relevant as possible....if not a direct and to the point - I reference the minutes in

[Pioneer1]

frankster

 

 

Yes the do feed off each other...

Comes back to Greed....

The Provider and or Purveyor of such Goods and Services is Destroying the Social Fabric of a Community for Profit.

 

Do you think this is INTENTIONAL?
Meaning, do you think there is MALICE involved in what you call destroying the social fabric of the community?
Or do you think it's just for profit and they simply DON'T CARE about the community?

 

 

The Abuser of Such Goods and Services....Without the Provider Such activities Will not exist - at least dramatically reduced
will have nowhere but legitimates sources to exercise Such Activities

 

What do you mean?
If these high interest loan sharking businesses ceased to exist, what other places CAN they go for quick cash besides a pawn shop with their or someone else's valuables?

 

 

 

Those who fell from Riches into Poverty are far and away outnumber by those who are born into Poverty created and maintained by a System

 

I won't argue that point.
However that doesn't let the parents off the hook for engaging in reckless and stupid behavior that not only landed THEMSELVES in poverty but also bringing children into a world of poverty, suffering, and humiliation that many will spend the rest of their lives in through no fault of their own.

 

 

 

True...that is the Barbarity/Barbarization we currently live in
Civilization on the other hand tries to protect the weak and the strong.

 

While I agree that civilization is SUPPOSED to protect the weak, I wouldn't say ensuring that your nation is strong and not weak and is well protected is a sign of barbarism.
It's common sense.

 

It's a balance.
Like your scriptures say, there's a:
-time for love and a time for hate
-time for peace and a time for war

 

That's why the American Eagle has an olive branch in one claw and a bundle of arrows in another.

Ready for Peace or War

 

Engaging in war and stockpiling weapons doesn't necessarily make you barbaric when there are legitimate threats out there.

 

 

 

 

More Weapons do not equate to more Security....

 

Correct, especially if you don't know how to use them or use them against EACHOTHER.

 

Look at many African nations.
They are armed to the teeth, but are very unstable and the men are fighting with EACHOTHER.
While the Arabs and Chinese are coming in snatching up land and resources left and right.

 

It's not JUST about the weapons but the brains behind them.

 

 

 

 

 

Gives you a criminal record....your chances of being gainfully employed is severely reduced.

Incarceration negatively impacts on individuals and their families physically financially and psychology.

Loss of time...reduces your ability to learn a profession or trade and gain experience.

 

Exactly.
So it would behoove a person to TRY to stay out of trouble as much as possible so that they will lessen their chances of running into negative experiences with law enforcement, getting a criminal record, or having legal problems....all of which can lead to poverty or KEEP a person in poverty.

 

 

 

 

 

True..

But then that is encouraging and perpetuation the idea and fact that they are individuals above the Law 

 

Donald Trump is walking talking PROOF that some people are indeed  above the law.

 

 

 

 

 

Not if it is her first day....then you become part of the Cause

If the first loan you are taking....then payday loan is the cause of you entering into a Debt Trap.

 

But if you had to take the loan in the first place, then that means you were already strapped for money and living in a state of "want" if not poverty itself.

The payday loan place was only there to provide a service for you but the problem you are dealing with exists OUTSIDE of them.

If they weren't there as a service, you'd STILL likely be strapped for cash and needed to find a place to get some.

The real question is, why are you so strapped for quick cash?

 

 

 

 

 

Because this has implications of the causes and generation of Poverty

Can you dig it?

 

It's dug.

That hole was already dug before you grabbed the shovel...lol.

Most people already know about the school to prison pipeline and how they can tell how many inmates they'll receive based on how many drop out of school.
That's old news.
Nor do I disagree with it or say it's not legitimate.

 

And yes this IS a major cause of poverty, both generational and individual.

 

 

 

 

 

You are teaching crime and violence to the youths who grow up in that life....by criminalizing their culture and normalizing violence.

 

Although the influence is strong, it's still a CHOICE for most.

 

 

 

Are you with me?

 

I'm not "with" you, but I see where you at and what direction you're headed.

I'm watching from above...lol.
 

 

 

 

They are being Underserved and being done a Disservice

do you feel me?

 

No-homo...lol

You're right, they are being under served and this too leads to poverty and the maintenance of poverty.

I agree with this.

 

 

 

 

True....then you must accept the consequences of sexual promiscuity and immorality

 

Immorality is a SUBJECTIVE term.

What YOU may consider immoral may not be to another individual.
Especially one who doesn't have a religion.

 

When it comes to a consenting man and woman, my idea of immorality depends on whether or not they are practicing "safe" sex and whether or not they take the necessary precautions to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

 

In MY opinion....
Having a lot of sex isn't immoral.
Spreading diseases and producing unwanted children is.

 

 

 

 

They did not die because of the failure of Scripture.... but because of  their involvement in Religion Politics or differing Philosophies.

 

But the scriptures didn't save them either.
So what good were they in THOSE particular situations?

 

 

 

 

If they be Christians or Jews that means they are Already Involved Religion....

Scripture Shows the Way - you save yourself.

 

Does those scriptures teach you how to FIGHT or how to MAKE WEAPONS so that you can ward off an enemy and subdue him?
If not, how do the scriptures teach you to save yourself from a powerful enemy with advanced weaponry?

 

 

 

 

 

It does not Encourage Real Growth in Production and Services.

It Acts as a Trap to Low income Earners from whom a sizable percentage of their Wealth is taken.

Robbing the Working class of both Leisure Time and Discretionary Funds.....An Opportunity Cost Coerced exchange of other Creative Investments

Adding to the Money Supply directly leading to Inflation

Payday Loans are usurious.....and the video directly shows and demonstrates its deleterious effects on Black Communities.

 

But the fact that BLACK BANKS...which were the cornerstones of the Black economic communities that were scattered around the nation...practiced USURY.

Again, if USURY were the problem...why were these Black communities where usury was practiced...so thriving and successful?

 

 

 

 

 

Yes they are multiply causes of Poverty.

Greed is the most direct cause...it effects can be seen in many other causes of Poverty

 

I would say that Greed is a MINIMAL cause of poverty.

It's more of an EXPLOITER of poverty, not a cause.

 

 

 

Greed at the Retail level...High deceptive unfair gouging pricing and inferior Goods and Services.

 

Yes, for people who actually have the money to spend on it!
People in a state of destitution usually don't have that type of money.

 

 

 

 

If you can't see the connection....
Then do you need a tutorial on how they connect?

 

There's a difference between a CONNECTION and a CAUSE.

 

There's a CONNECTION between excessive lottery spending and poverty.
But spending money on lottery tickets doesn't CAUSE poverty.

Most people who are poor will be poor whether they spend what little excess cash they have on the lottery or not.

 

 

 

 

So it show the Government Knowingly Poisoning a Black Community - in other words destroying it basic human infrastructure
Crack destroys Communities Families and Individuals - Those are First and Primary Causes of Poverty
Do you agree? or understand the above?

 

I understand and agree to a certain extent though I would say that the first and primary causes of poverty are different for different individuals.
For some it's drugs.
For others it's poor financial decisions.
For others, they're born into it.
For others, it's debt from legal and other problems.
And for others it's just being plain stupid and of low intelligence.

 

But you STILL didn't prove that GREED causes poverty.

 

 

 

 

 

Those are Secondary Causes
Over Policing and Criminalization of the Poor and Black Culture....leads to Social Dysfunctions

 

For some, it's a primary cause.

A lot of people are in homeless shelters right now because of criminal records and legal problems that prevent them from making a decent living for themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

You can not stay out of Trouble....When you are both being Program to Violent React and the Target of Oppressive Policies.

 

You're posting these messages to me right now and I'll presume you're living in the United States.

Did YOU manage to stay out of trouble?
Or are you posting these messages from behind the walls of some sort of institution?

 

 

 

 

It does if it is the same subject matter we are discussing....or have a close corroborative and causal link

Subject matter is - Causes of Poverty

 

Correct.
And you keep insisting that GREED is the cause if not one of the major causes and I say it's not.

 

 

 

 

 

In the USA Native Americans Africans Americans and Hispanic American suffer the Most from and the Worst forms of Poverty

 

I agree.
But it's not because of Greed.

 

 

 

That's why i try not to give long Answers...my answer are straight forward to the point.

 

Yeah, but it's often the WRONG or DIFFERENT point...lol.

I make a statement like...the street gangs and the violence and crime they commit are harming the Black community.
And in response you'll post a video about how Fred Hampton tried to unite the street gangs of Chicago.

 

The video may be factual and interesting but it doesn't negate or counter or even address the point I just made.
It's just a lot of information being PUT OUT.

 

[ProfD]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Which means that LIKE alcohol and drugs...it CAN be therapeutic and helpful, if practiced properly.

It can also be abused and/or used as a crutch.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Is that a valid excuse for poor Whites to engage in rampant meth use until their teeth fall out or they end up destroying half the trailer park with their janky meth-labs????

Why are they living in a trailer park?

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Other people deal with poverty by focusing on religion, or furthering their education, or other means.

They're still not becoming rich or wealthy if impoverished. 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of our people are fucked up out of LAZINESS and lack of ambition.

Black people do not have a monopoly on being lazy and unambitious.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sitting around waiting on White folks to do for them what they SHOULD be doing for themselves.

I'm a huge proponent that we should have a better Black economic infrastructure. Our people wouldn't have to beg them for jobs.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Much of their poverty comes out of LAZINESS and LACK OF AMBITION.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If your community needs food you can get out and grow food because you need it, not just because you're being paid to.

A country filled with resources shouldn't have poor people. Yet, those countries are poor because a handful of greedy people control the wealth.

 

Building a house or installing wood floors requires tools and materials. The people will do what they can based on access.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Can you give me 2 examples of people YOU KNOW PERSONALLY who went from rags to riches?

I know several people who grew up poor and now they own businesses...barbershops, beauty salons, general contracting and construction companies, dump trucks,  tractor trailers, recording studios, etc.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So is Haiti, yet they're poor.
So is Guatemala, yet they're still poor.
Bangladesh is also homogenous, yet their still poor.

So there must be another factor or factors.

Poverty is the lack of access to economic resources, jobs, education and healthcare, etc.

 

Who controls it?

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

President Obama said "luck" is when Opportunity meets Preparedness.

It sounds good but luck literally means as an example, a person had enough money to play the lotto on the *right* day, time and place or the person met the *right* person/people.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That man couldn't have loaned ANY fool $40 million and expected the same results.
He knew to loan it to a man smart and ambitious enough to actually DO SOMETHING with it.

Not just any fool. He placed his bet with Diddy based on the work he had done with Andrell Harrell at Uptown Records. There was no guarantee he'd deliver though. 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are you saying it's NOT accumulated through proper decision making?

Proper decision-making allows one to maintain and grow wealth. It's not a prerequisite to obtaining wealth though. Some folks are born into it and others get lucky and there's the middle.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

But still, that chance is there.

It's better than spending your money on illegal drugs which offers NO chance of increasing your wealth.

There's not one financial advisor on the planet who would tell a client to invest in the lottery.

 

If the lottery was a road to wealth, folks like Buffet, Gates, Bezos and Musk would buy up the tickets.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Again, are you saying that people who GOT wealthy didn't do so from making certain decisions that led them towards wealth?

Of course they made decisions by aligning themselves with people who could help them get there. 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

All of this sounds like a matter of a person making certain DECISIONS concerning their behavior and how they interact with and treat others on their road to riches.

If amassing wealth was merely a function of decision-making, a higher percentage of the population would be rich or wealthy. 

 

There's a reason antitrust laws and other protections are in place to discourage monopolies.

 

Otherwise, greedy people would make poverty even  worse.

[frankster]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

Yes the do feed off each other...

Comes back to Greed....

The Provider and or Purveyor of such Goods and Services is Destroying the Social Fabric of a Community for Profit.

 

Do you think this is INTENTIONAL?

Yes and No

The individdual coming up in the system and is making his way forward in it..Often is unaware of it's ill effects.

The individual who initiated it originally does so intentionally to profit with no care for community

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Meaning, do you think there is MALICE involved in what you call destroying the social fabric of the community?

Yes

I would say more Greed than Malice

Malice is when those who knows its ill effects participate in its prepetuation and propagation to continued ruination of segments of  society.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Or do you think it's just for profit and they simply DON'T CARE about the community?

A mix of both...Primarily for Profit 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Abuser of Such Goods and Services....Without the Provider Such activities Will not exist - at least dramatically reduced
will have nowhere but legitimates sources to exercise Such Activities

 

What do you mean?
If these high interest loan sharking businesses ceased to exist, what other places CAN they go for quick cash besides a pawn shop with their or someone else's valuables?

The National Banks....of course - You work to get them  to stop practicing Discriminatory Lending.

It is the national banks that support and supply these payday loan centers.....Purely as profit centers - In black communities.

Payday loan centers are tools the national banks used to circumvent certain laws and regulations in order to charge up to and beyond 400% interest rate while most loans are ordinarily legally cap at around 36% nationwide

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those who fell from Riches into Poverty are far and away outnumber by those who are born into Poverty created and maintained by a System

 

I won't argue that point.
However that doesn't let the parents off the hook for engaging in reckless and stupid behavior that not only landed THEMSELVES in poverty but also bringing children into a world of poverty, suffering, and humiliation that many will spend the rest of their lives in through no fault of their own.

That Maybe true in some cases.

For Black Americans the vast Majority started out from Poverty....the government had only given a few their dued 40acres and mule and of that few the next incoming took back most. 

With Black Codes Jim crow Laws enacted accross most of the Country it was extremely difficult for Blacks to generate income much less generational wealth creation.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

True...that is the Barbarity/Barbarization we currently live in
Civilization on the other hand tries to protect the weak and the strong.

 

While I agree that civilization is SUPPOSED to protect the weak, I wouldn't say ensuring that your nation is strong and not weak and is well protected is a sign of barbarism.
It's common sense.

I cannot see how oppressing disempowering and weakening one part of your citizenry creates strength???

Common sense is making all of your citizenry strong

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

It's a balance.
Like your scriptures say, there's a:
-time for love and a time for hate
-time for peace and a time for war

 

That's why the American Eagle has an olive branch in one claw and a bundle of arrows in another.

Ready for Peace or War

 

Engaging in war and stockpiling weapons doesn't necessarily make you barbaric when there are legitimate threats out there.

Preparing for war is sound logical and rational...

What is barbaric is not protecting the weak and volnerable.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

More Weapons do not equate to more Security....

 

Correct, especially if you don't know how to use them or use them against EACHOTHER.

True

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Look at many African nations.
They are armed to the teeth, but are very unstable and the men are fighting with EACHOTHER.
While the Arabs and Chinese are coming in snatching up land and resources left and right.

 

It's not JUST about the weapons but the brains behind them.

True

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Gives you a criminal record....your chances of being gainfully employed is severely reduced.

Incarceration negatively impacts on individuals and their families physically financially and psychology.

Loss of time...reduces your ability to learn a profession or trade and gain experience.

 

Exactly.
So it would behoove a person to TRY to stay out of trouble as much as possible so that they will lessen their chances of running into negative experiences with law enforcement, getting a criminal record, or having legal problems....all of which can lead to poverty or KEEP a person in poverty.

Yes

That is not possible to the vast majority when their communities are Targeted and Overpoliced.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

True..

But then that is encouraging and perpetuation the idea and fact that they are individuals above the Law 

 

Donald Trump is walking talking PROOF that some people are indeed  above the law.

Yes......Above Man's Law

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Not if it is her first day....then you become part of the Cause

If the first loan you are taking....then payday loan is the cause of you entering into a Debt Trap.

 

But if you had to take the loan in the first place, then that means you were already strapped for money and living in a state of "want" if not poverty itself.

Yes

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The payday loan place was only there to provide a service for you but the problem you are dealing with exists OUTSIDE of them.

If they weren't there as a service, you'd STILL likely be strapped for cash and needed to find a place to get some.

The real question is, why are you so strapped for quick cash?

Payday Loan centers are not a Service....they are a Disservice - A Scam

They are Masquerading as a Service....They are Predatory Loans Scams

Scams are not a service

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Because this has implications of the causes and generation of Poverty

Can you dig it?

 

It's dug.

That hole was already dug before you grabbed the shovel...lol.

Most people already know about the school to prison pipeline and how they can tell how many inmates they'll receive based on how many drop out of school.
That's old news.
Nor do I disagree with it or say it's not legitimate.

 

And yes this IS a major cause of poverty, both generational and individual.

My Brotha

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You are teaching crime and violence to the youths who grow up in that life....by criminalizing their culture and normalizing violence.

 

Although the influence is strong, it's still a CHOICE for most.

Often is a matter of not knowing of those choices.

It remains a choice only if you see that you have a choice....rules in the hood may preclude you having left you blind to seeing those choices.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are you with me?

 

I'm not "with" you, but I see where you at and what direction you're headed.

I'm watching from above...lol.

Right on

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They are being Underserved and being done a Disservice

do you feel me?

 

No-homo...lol

You're right, they are being under served and this too leads to poverty and the maintenance of poverty.

I agree with this.

Preach

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

True....then you must accept the consequences of sexual promiscuity and immorality

 

Immorality is a SUBJECTIVE term.

What YOU may consider immoral may not be to another individual.
Especially one who doesn't have a religion.

Morality is beyond and before religion....Religion only tried to organize explain capture and use it

Morality is Right Action....it is not religious - Jeremiah 31:33

Ethics is Right Behavor or Conduct

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When it comes to a consenting man and woman, my idea of immorality depends on whether or not they are practicing "safe" sex and whether or not they take the necessary precautions to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

Yes Morality is Personal and Taking right action is primarily Personal

Ethics is Social and has to do with Society....is the behavior damaging the social fabric of the community?

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In MY opinion....
Having a lot of sex isn't immoral.

So Long as No harm is Caused by It....

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Spreading diseases and producing unwanted children is.

Most Definitely so

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They did not die because of the failure of Scripture.... but because of  their involvement in Religion Politics or differing Philosophies.

 

But the scriptures didn't save them either.
So what good were they in THOSE particular situations?

They are not following scripture.....they are following religion - you said they were jews and christians.

Nor am I saying if you follow scripture....no harm will befall you - what of what you were you before.

 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

If they be Christians or Jews that means they are Already Involved Religion....

Scripture Shows the Way - you save yourself.

 

Does those scriptures teach you how to FIGHT or how to MAKE WEAPONS so that you can ward off an enemy and subdue him?

Yes.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If not, how do the scriptures teach you to save yourself from a powerful enemy with advanced weaponry?

Judges 1:19...... take the high ground and sue for peace.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It does not Encourage Real Growth in Production and Services.

It Acts as a Trap to Low income Earners from whom a sizable percentage of their Wealth is taken.

Robbing the Working class of both Leisure Time and Discretionary Funds.....An Opportunity Cost Coerced exchange of other Creative Investments

Adding to the Money Supply directly leading to Inflation

Payday Loans are usurious.....and the video directly shows and demonstrates its deleterious effects on Black Communities.

 

But the fact that BLACK BANKS...which were the cornerstones of the Black economic communities that were scattered around the nation...practiced USURY.

Again, if USURY were the problem...why were these Black communities where usury was practiced...so thriving and successful?

They practice for the most part Community Banking and Sou-Sou(Informal Loan Club)

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Yes they are multiply causes of Poverty.

Greed is the most direct cause...it effects can be seen in many other causes of Poverty

 

I would say that Greed is a MINIMAL cause of poverty.

It's more of an EXPLOITER of poverty, not a cause.

It is both

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Greed at the Retail level...High deceptive unfair gouging pricing and inferior Goods and Services.

 

Yes, for people who actually have the money to spend on it!
People in a state of destitution usually don't have that type of money.

If you have or spend money then you are susceptible to all of the above...regardless of how much or little money you have.

You must buy goods and or services to live.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If you can't see the connection....
Then do you need a tutorial on how they connect?

 

There's a difference between a CONNECTION and a CAUSE.

in this case its connection....The video is related to the issues we discussing

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

There's a CONNECTION between excessive lottery spending and poverty.
But spending money on lottery tickets doesn't CAUSE poverty.

Most people who are poor will be poor whether they spend what little excess cash they have on the lottery or not.

It depends on...

How much of your income are you spending on the lottery?

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

So it show the Government Knowingly Poisoning a Black Community - in other words destroying it basic human infrastructure
Crack destroys Communities Families and Individuals - Those are First and Primary Causes of Poverty
Do you agree? or understand the above?

 

I understand and agree to a certain extent though I would say that the first and primary causes of poverty are different for different individuals.

True

We now know that crack cocaine was and is responsible for impoverishing many Black Communities....

Throwing vast numbers of Black Families into poverty..

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

For some it's drugs.
For others it's poor financial decisions.
For others, they're born into it.
For others, it's debt from legal and other problems.
And for others it's just being plain stupid and of low intelligence.

 

But you STILL didn't prove that GREED causes poverty.

The Individual who is Manufacturing and Distributing Drugs Alcohol knows what effecys it is having and continues to push and supply drugs out of Greed.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Those are Secondary Causes
Over Policing and Criminalization of the Poor and Black Culture....leads to Social Dysfunctions

 

For some, it's a primary cause.

A lot of people are in homeless shelters right now because of criminal records and legal problems that prevent them from making a decent living for themselves.

True

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You can not stay out of Trouble....When you are both being Program to Violent React and the Target of Oppressive Policies.

 

You're posting these messages to me right now and I'll presume you're living in the United States.

Did YOU manage to stay out of trouble?
Or are you posting these messages from behind the walls of some sort of institution?

I learned from my missteps and that of others close to me.....and was lucky

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It does if it is the same subject matter we are discussing....or have a close corroborative and causal link

Subject matter is - Causes of Poverty

 

Correct.
And you keep insisting that GREED is the cause if not one of the major causes and I say it's not.

So we disagree

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In the USA Native Americans Africans Americans and Hispanic American suffer the Most from and the Worst forms of Poverty

 

I agree.
But it's not because of Greed.

It is the Greed of men in power who refuse to pay the Native American a fair price for(or give back) their Lands.....which would lift the native American out of poverty.

It is the Greed of wealthy men who make money from the school to prison pipeline why it is still being practice today....keepin many families in poverty.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's why i try not to give long Answers...my answer are straight forward to the point.

 

Yeah, but it's often the WRONG or DIFFERENT point...lol.

Show me one of my answers that is wrong or off topic?

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I make a statement like...the street gangs and the violence and crime they commit are harming the Black community.
And in response you'll post a video about how Fred Hampton tried to unite the street gangs of Chicago.

Give an actual example from my post in response to your post....here in this thread.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The video may be factual and interesting but it doesn't negate or counter or even address the point I just made.
It's just a lot of information being PUT OUT.

Provide the example

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

It can also be abused and/or used as a crutch.

 

True.
One person's poison is another person's medicine, depending on need and usage.

 

But even if they're using sex (or drugs or alcohol) as a crutch, why take that crutch away if we have nothing else to replace it with at the moment?

If a person is so stressed out that sex or dope is the ONLY thing keeping them from jumping off of a building, I say let them use that crutch UNTIL a more viable solution to their problems come.

 

 

 

Why are they living in a trailer park?

 

Most of the time they're just living there temporarily while they're condos are being carpeted or furnished.

 

 

 

 

They're still not becoming rich or wealthy if impoverished. 

 

You're right for the most part, it's usually still not making them rich or wealthy (although furthering their education can often lead them out of poverty); but atleast it's not as destructive as engaging in criminality or addictions.

 

 

 

 

 

Black people do not have a monopoly on being lazy and unambitious.

 

Nobody said we did, but that problem is so self evident there's no denying it..

In one of the prayers in the Nation of Islam, a person seeks refuge from LAZINESS.
 

They knew way back in the 1930s that our people had a laziness problem and had to drill it out of them.
Too many of our people are at the point where they just want to lay around waiting on "Jesus" or a White man do to for them what they could have gotten up and did for themselves with ambition and unity.
 

 

 

A country filled with resources shouldn't have poor people. 
 

That's like saying a country full of women shouldn't have gay men, lol.

If those men are gay and don't want women, it doesn't matter HOW many women there are or how beautiful....women aren't their focus.
The same with a lot of people when it comes to acquiring resources and wealth.
If all they want is some dope to smoke and a square meal every other day...it doesn't matter how rich the nation is or what type of resources are available, THEY don't want them.
As long as they can feed their addictions they will be happy as a sissy in a CC camp living on the streets.

 

 

 

Yet, those countries are poor because a handful of greedy people control the wealth.

 

Most of those countries themselves aren't actually poor.
Like you said, they have a wealth of minerals, vegetation, and other natural and raw resources.
One of the reasons they're considered "poor" is because they are locked into the Western economic system and rely on Dollars or Euros for their economies.

If they got off the Western Grid and developed THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT economy with their own currency, they could literally be as rich as they want to be.

 

 

 

 

Building a house or installing wood floors requires tools and materials. The people will do what they can based on access.

 

What kind of society in 2025 doesn't even have hammers and nails and saws?
Come on bro.
 

I'm not saying those type of communities don't exist.
I'm saying WHY DO they still exist?
Why in the hell do you NOT have hammers and saws and nails and other simple tools in your society?
What the hell are you busy doing with your time?

Let me guess...their corrupt governments are preventing them from owning hammers, nails, and going to the woods to get wood and building floors for themselves.

 

At some point, the excuses will have to be shut down.

I can't blame the World Bank or Economic Hitmen on people who let their wives and children starve to death or resort to begging White men for food and aid, while....as Neely Fuller Jr. points out...the men are riding around on the back of pick-up trucks with automatic weapons going from one village to the next pillaging and killing people.

Get off that damn milk crate, put the cigarette out, and get they ass in the woods and get to chopping and sawing if they want a floor.

I know several people who grew up poor and now they own businesses...barbershops, beauty salons, general contracting and construction companies, dump trucks,  tractor trailers, recording studios, etc.

 

Yes!
They made PROPER DECISIONS.
 

This is what I keep trying to tell you brutha.
Much of the poverty in America...among adults...is from poor decision making.

Not all of it.
I won't even say most of it....but a LOT of it.
 

 

 

 

 

 

Not just any fool. He placed his bet with Diddy based on the work he had done with Andrell Harrell at Uptown Records. There was no guarantee he'd deliver though.

 

So it was more than just "luck".
It was a calculate investment in a young man he saw talent and ambition in.

 

 

 

 

 

Proper decision-making allows one to maintain and grow wealth. It's not a prerequisite to obtaining wealth though. Some folks are born into it and others get lucky and there's the middle.

 

I didn't say INHERITED...and said ACCUMULATED.

Any fool can INHERIT money, but to actually come up with a plan to parlay it and generate more requires proper DECISION MAKING.

Infact to just KEEP it and not LOSE it involves making a certain amount of good decisions.

 

 

 

Of course they made decisions by aligning themselves with people who could help them get there. 

 

There you go.
Proper decisions again.

 

 

 

 

If amassing wealth was merely a function of decision-making, a higher percentage of the population would be rich or wealthy. 

 

Actually, yes....it is.
AMASSING wealth is clearly a function of decision making.

INHERITING it isn't...but AMASSING it is.

Every move you make that gains you more wealth, was made from a DECISION you reached to make that move.
 

Even buying a lottery ticket was a DECISION.
You could have spent that money on a hamburger instead but DECIDED to take a risk by playing the lottery.

 

Sometimes the decisions are a gamble and you don't know the outcome, but you still make the decision to go ahead and make that move and hope for the best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

 

The National Banks....of course - You work to get them  to stop practicing Discriminatory Lending.

 

In other word, you're saying CURRENTLY there is no other place for them to go.

Because according to you the banks won't be ready for quick loans UNTIL (or unless) they stop practicing discriminatory lending, which is some time in the future.

 

 

 

It is the national banks that support and supply these payday loan centers.....Purely as profit centers - In black communities.

Payday loan centers are tools the national banks used to circumvent certain laws and regulations in order to charge up to and beyond 400% interest rate while most loans are ordinarily legally cap at around 36% nationwide

 

Thanks for the excess information.
But what you're saying is basically, there IS no place else for them to go for quick cash as of right now.

 

 

 

 

That Maybe true in some cases.

For Black Americans the vast Majority started out from Poverty....the government had only given a few their dued 40acres and mule and of that few the next incoming took back most. 

With Black Codes Jim crow Laws enacted accross most of the Country it was extremely difficult for Blacks to generate income much less generational wealth creation.

 

Here we go now...lol.
Now what does THIS have to do with parents who engage in reckless and illegal behavior and bring children into the world under such dysfunctional conditions????

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot see how oppressing disempowering and weakening one part of your citizenry creates strength???

 

Well, you said GREED on the part of one group leads to POVERTY on the part of another.
Perhaps strength and weakness work on the same principle.
Perhaps some people need to be MADE weak in order to you to BECOME stronger.

At any rate......

I'm not suggesting that America should sacrifice the well being of her citizens for advanced weaponry and military strength.

The fact is, America abandons much of her poor REGARDLESS as to how much she spends on the military.
 

 

 

 

What is barbaric is not protecting the weak and volnerable.

 

I wouldn't call it barbaric, but I'd call it callous and socio-pathic.

 

 

 

 

That is not possible to the vast majority when their communities are Targeted and Overpoliced.

 

The victims themselves making music ENCOURAGING criminal behavior and fighting with the police doesn't help either.

I've said time and time again that instead of fighting with the police, Black people should BECOME the police and gain as much power and authority over our communities as we can.

 

 

 

 

 

Morality is beyond and before religion....Religion only tried to organize explain capture and use it

Morality is Right Action....it is not religious - Jeremiah 31:33

 

But your RELIGION often determines for you what IS "right" or "wrong" for the most part.
 

Even things that we THINK are universally condemned as wrong like murder and theft....are often justified depending on your religion.

In some religious scripture, believers are told to KILL people who haven't done anything to them personally.
They are also told to plunder and take possession of land or things that didn't belong to them.

 

 

 

 

Ethics is Right Behavor or Conduct.

 

Ethics is appropriate behavior for a given setting.

For example, although it may be morally fine for an unmarried doctor to ask one of his unmarried patients out on a date, it's unethical for him to do so.

 

 

 

 

 

Nor am I saying if you follow scripture....no harm will befall you - what of what you were you before.

 

So it begs the question, what good are they in this instance?

 

 

 

 

 

Judges 1:19...... take the high ground and sue for peace.

 

Is this not hiding or begging the enemy for mercy?

 

 

 

 

I learned from my missteps and that of others close to me.....and was lucky

 

And surely you don't believe you're the ONLY one fortunate enough to learn from other's mistakes and was "lucky"  enough to escape the traps set to feed a mass incarceration?

You and others are proof....living proof...that one CAN avoid the traps set by the system.
Especially with proper DECISION MAKING.

 

 

 

 

 

It is the Greed of men in power who refuse to pay the Native American a fair price for(or give back) their Lands.....which would lift the native American out of poverty.

 

Most Native American communities suffer from high levels of alcoholism as well as suicide.
Simply paying them more money for their land probably won't solve the problem and may even make it worse because of the current psychological condition of so many.

They need to be properly educated FIRST.

 

 

 

It is the Greed of wealthy men who make money from the school to prison pipeline why it is still being practice today....keepin many families in poverty.

 

I'd argue that RACISM is a bigger factor than GREED in fueling the school to prison pipeline.

They'd actually make MORE money investing in and educating Black and Brown students and ensuring that they don't end up in the streets or behind bars.
But money isn't their biggest concern.
OPPRESSION and MISTREATMENT are.

 

 

 

Show me one of my answers that is wrong or off topic?
Give an actual example from my post in response to your post....here in this thread.
Provide the example

 

 

Besides the example I mentioned near the top of this post about you going into another tangent about Black Codes and Jim Crow when I was talking about the irresponsible behavior of reckless parents....I'll give you 3 more examples from this thread alone:
 

1.  When I said,
"But is the person getting what they WANTED when they get the loan?
Maybe they don't mind being in debt if it means getting a degree or a nice big house."

 

Your response was,
"That is them entering into "Voluntary Slavery" by going into debt to another....in some cases."

 

Debt is NOT slavery.
You aren't FORCED to work for another person to pay back their loan and in many cases you aren't even forced (legally) to pay back the loan.
Their only recourse is to simply not loan or do business with you anymore.

 

 

 

 

2.  You said,
"Usury often destroys Societies as it does not add directly to GDP so to speak."

 

You couldn't name me ONE society that was actually destroyed by Usury.

Usury is practiced extensively through out the United States and this is one of the most prosperous and successful societies in modern history.

 

 

 

 

3. You said,
"It is the Purpose of Scripture to protects from known risk...that  we may be unaware of."

 

I gave you examples of Christians and Jews who had and believed in scriptures but they still got killed.
I'm still trying to understand how you square your statement up with these historic facts.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

One person's poison is another person's medicine, depending on need and usage.

 

But even if they're using sex (or drugs or alcohol) as a crutch, why take that crutch away if we have nothing else to replace it with at the moment?

Replace the crutch with something constructive.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Why are they living in a trailer park?

 

Most of the time they're just living there temporarily while they're condos are being carpeted or furnished.

Nah bro.  Trailer park folks aren't waiting on a condo or house.  There are trailer park communities with mailing addresses.  They plan to be there for a long time.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You're right for the most part, it's usually still not making them rich or wealthy (although furthering their education can often lead them out of poverty)

Education is a ticket out of poverty.  Not so sure about they future as they bring in less qualified white folks for the same job.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nobody said we did, but that problem is so self evident there's no denying it..

In one of the prayers in the Nation of Islam, a person seeks refuge from LAZINESS.

400 years of slavery.  Black folks can never be called lazy.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most of those countries themselves aren't actually poor.
Like you said, they have a wealth of minerals, vegetation, and other natural and raw resources.
One of the reasons they're considered "poor" is because they are locked into the Western economic system and rely on Dollars or Euros for their economies.

If they got off the Western Grid and developed THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT economy with their own currency, they could literally be as rich as they want to be.

How did the country get locked into the western economic system?

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What kind of society in 2025 doesn't even have hammers and nails and saws?
Come on bro.
 

I'm not saying those type of communities don't exist.
I'm saying WHY DO they still exist?
Why in the hell do you NOT have hammers and saws and nails and other simple tools in your society?
What the hell are you busy doing with your time?

Let me guess...their corrupt governments are preventing them from owning hammers, nails, and going to the woods to get wood and building floors for themselves.

 

At some point, the excuses will have to be shut down.

Greed and corruption keeps the masses poor.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I  can't blame the World Bank or Economic Hitmen on people who let their wives and children starve to death or resort to begging White men for food and aid, while....as Neely Fuller Jr. points out...the men are riding around on the back of pick-up trucks with automatic weapons going from one village to the next pillaging and killing people.

Get off that damn milk crate, put the cigarette out, and get they ass in the woods and get to chopping and sawing if they want a floor.

You may not want to blame greedy and corrupt leadership and economic systems for keeping people poor.  It's their reality until they decide to deal with those leaders and break free from those systems.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Much of the poverty in America...among adults...is from poor decision making.

Not all of it.
I won't even say most of it....but a LOT of it.

Poor decision-making will keep folks in poverty.  Greed created the condition.

[frankster]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

 

 

It can also be abused and/or used as a crutch.

 

True.
One person's poison is another person's medicine, depending on need and usage.

 

But even if they're using sex (or drugs or alcohol) as a crutch, why take that crutch away if we have nothing else to replace it with at the moment?

If a person is so stressed out that sex or dope is the ONLY thing keeping them from jumping off of a building, I say let them use that crutch UNTIL a more viable solution to their problems come.

Using Drugs as a crutch is not a viable or real solution..

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Why are they living in a trailer park?

 

Most of the time they're just living there temporarily while they're condos are being carpeted or furnished.

Really

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

They're still not becoming rich or wealthy if impoverished. 

 

You're right for the most part, it's usually still not making them rich or wealthy (although furthering their education can often lead them out of poverty); but atleast it's not as destructive as engaging in criminality or addictions.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

Black people do not have a monopoly on being lazy and unambitious.

 

Nobody said we did, but that problem is so self evident there's no denying it..

In one of the prayers in the Nation of Islam, a person seeks refuge from LAZINESS.
 

They knew way back in the 1930s that our people had a laziness problem and had to drill it out of them.
Too many of our people are at the point where they just want to lay around waiting on "Jesus" or a White man do to for them what they could have gotten up and did for themselves with ambition and unity.

Learned Helplessness

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

A country filled with resources shouldn't have poor people. 
 

That's like saying a country full of women shouldn't have gay men, lol.

If those men are gay and don't want women, it doesn't matter HOW many women there are or how beautiful....women aren't their focus.
The same with a lot of people when it comes to acquiring resources and wealth.
If all they want is some dope to smoke and a square meal every other day...it doesn't matter how rich the nation is or what type of resources are available, THEY don't want them.
As long as they can feed their addictions they will be happy as a sissy in a CC camp living on the streets.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

 

Yet, those countries are poor because a handful of greedy people control the wealth.

 

Most of those countries themselves aren't actually poor.
Like you said, they have a wealth of minerals, vegetation, and other natural and raw resources.
One of the reasons they're considered "poor" is because they are locked into the Western economic system and rely on Dollars or Euros for their economies.

If they got off the Western Grid and developed THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT economy with their own currency, they could literally be as rich as they want to be.

 

 

 

 

Building a house or installing wood floors requires tools and materials. The people will do what they can based on access.

 

What kind of society in 2025 doesn't even have hammers and nails and saws?
Come on bro.
 

I'm not saying those type of communities don't exist.
I'm saying WHY DO they still exist?
Why in the hell do you NOT have hammers and saws and nails and other simple tools in your society?
What the hell are you busy doing with your time?

Let me guess...their corrupt governments are preventing them from owning hammers, nails, and going to the woods to get wood and building floors for themselves.

 

At some point, the excuses will have to be shut down.

I can't blame the World Bank or Economic Hitmen on people who let their wives and children starve to death or resort to begging White men for food and aid, while....as Neely Fuller Jr. points out...the men are riding around on the back of pick-up trucks with automatic weapons going from one village to the next pillaging and killing people.

Get off that damn milk crate, put the cigarette out, and get they ass in the woods and get to chopping and sawing if they want a floor.

I know several people who grew up poor and now they own businesses...barbershops, beauty salons, general contracting and construction companies, dump trucks,  tractor trailers, recording studios, etc.

 

Yes!
They made PROPER DECISIONS.
 

This is what I keep trying to tell you brutha.
Much of the poverty in America...among adults...is from poor decision making.

Not all of it.
I won't even say most of it....but a LOT of it.
 

 

 

 

 

 

Not just any fool. He placed his bet with Diddy based on the work he had done with Andrell Harrell at Uptown Records. There was no guarantee he'd deliver though.

 

So it was more than just "luck".
It was a calculate investment in a young man he saw talent and ambition in.

 

 

 

 

 

Proper decision-making allows one to maintain and grow wealth. It's not a prerequisite to obtaining wealth though. Some folks are born into it and others get lucky and there's the middle.

 

I didn't say INHERITED...and said ACCUMULATED.

Any fool can INHERIT money, but to actually come up with a plan to parlay it and generate more requires proper DECISION MAKING.

Infact to just KEEP it and not LOSE it involves making a certain amount of good decisions.

 

 

 

Of course they made decisions by aligning themselves with people who could help them get there. 

 

There you go.
Proper decisions again.

 

 

 

 

If amassing wealth was merely a function of decision-making, a higher percentage of the population would be rich or wealthy. 

 

Actually, yes....it is.
AMASSING wealth is clearly a function of decision making.

INHERITING it isn't...but AMASSING it is.

Every move you make that gains you more wealth, was made from a DECISION you reached to make that move.
 

Even buying a lottery ticket was a DECISION.
You could have spent that money on a hamburger instead but DECIDED to take a risk by playing the lottery.

 

Sometimes the decisions are a gamble and you don't know the outcome, but you still make the decision to go ahead and make that move and hope for the best.

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

 

The National Banks....of course - You work to get them  to stop practicing Discriminatory Lending.

 

In other word, you're saying CURRENTLY there is no other place for them to go.

Because according to you the banks won't be ready for quick loans UNTIL (or unless) they stop practicing discriminatory lending, which is some time in the future.

We still do have a few Mutual Aid Societies, Credit Unions Community Banks SBA Grants Black Banks etc...

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is the national banks that support and supply these payday loan centers.....Purely as profit centers - In black communities.

Payday loan centers are tools the national banks used to circumvent certain laws and regulations in order to charge up to and beyond 400% interest rate while most loans are ordinarily legally cap at around 36% nationwide

 

Thanks for the excess information.
But what you're saying is basically, there IS no place else for them to go for quick cash as of right now.

Get an advance from your employer????

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That Maybe true in some cases.

For Black Americans the vast Majority started out from Poverty....the government had only given a few their dued 40acres and mule and of that few the next incoming took back most. 

With Black Codes Jim crow Laws enacted accross most of the Country it was extremely difficult for Blacks to generate income much less generational wealth creation.

 

Here we go now...lol.
Now what does THIS have to do with parents who engage in reckless and illegal behavior and bring children into the world under such dysfunctional conditions????

It is a Biological Imperative to reproduce....so regardless of the circumstances life must continue to strive thrive overcome..

Few of the people in poverty are their because of reckless and illegal behavior....

They are in poverty mostly because of policies based in part or whole in Racism

The vast majority of the poor are born into poverty....All Black Americans Families started out in Poverty - And Laws were enacted and enforced to keep them there

Native Americans were robbed of their Lands and Wealth...

Hispanics In the USA came here because US Foreign Policies and or their leader Racist and Communalistic Policies  destroyed the ecomony of their native country. In short they came here with nothing to start.

The Main cause of Poverty in the US among Non-White People is Institutional and Structural Racism.....From the Past to the Present

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I cannot see how oppressing disempowering and weakening one part of your citizenry creates strength???

 

Well, you said GREED on the part of one group leads to POVERTY on the part of another.
Perhaps strength and weakness work on the same principle.
Perhaps some people need to be MADE weak in order to you to BECOME stronger.

At any rate......

Greed is based in Selfishness Fear and Ignorance.

Strength is based in Cooperation Social Bonding and Mutual Support

You can be stronger without weakening any body

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not suggesting that America should sacrifice the well being of her citizens for advanced weaponry and military strength.

The fact is, America abandons much of her poor REGARDLESS as to how much she spends on the military.

True...that does not make it right or that we should turn a blind eye to it.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What is barbaric is not protecting the weak and volnerable.

 

I wouldn't call it barbaric, but I'd call it callous and socio-pathic.

Fine by me

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That is not possible to the vast majority when their communities are Targeted and Overpoliced.

 

The victims themselves making music ENCOURAGING criminal behavior and fighting with the police doesn't help either.

Gangsta Rap that encourages violence and criminality is a result of Greedy Racist Music Producers and not Rap Artist..

 

Ice Cube Admits 90's Gangster Rap was a Government Psyop

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I've said time and time again that instead of fighting with the police, Black people should BECOME the police and gain as much power and authority over our communities as we can.

We Did that...

The Police are doing the bidding of the Rich and Powerful

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Morality is beyond and before religion....Religion only tried to organize explain capture and use it

Morality is Right Action....it is not religious - Jeremiah 31:33

 

But your RELIGION often determines for you what IS "right" or "wrong" for the most part.

Religion is used to control and manipulate you..

Religion is not Scripture....Religion uses Scripture.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even things that we THINK are universally condemned as wrong like murder and theft....are often justified depending on your religion.

True

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In some religious scripture, believers are told to KILL people who haven't done anything to them personally.
They are also told to plunder and take possession of land or things that didn't belong to them.

True 

Such is also in scripture....Religion has also corrupted many

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ethics is Right Behavor or Conduct.

 

Ethics is appropriate behavior for a given setting.

For example, although it may be morally fine for an unmarried doctor to ask one of his unmarried patients out on a date, it's unethical for him to do so.

It is neither unethical or immoral...but a set of Rules implement by a board to Govern practicioners of the Profession.

Yes it is called ethics but it has little to do with Ethics or Morals....and more to do with upholding the good name of the Profession

That is a requirement of Professionalism and Professional Conduct

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Nor am I saying if you follow scripture....no harm will befall you - what of what you were you before.

 

So it begs the question, what good are they in this instance?

If You were sleeping around for years and start following the scripture today.....you may still get clap back from things you did as a philanderer.

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Judges 1:19...... take the high ground and sue for peace.

 

Is this not hiding or begging the enemy for mercy?

It is not hiding or begging....

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I learned from my missteps and that of others close to me.....and was lucky

 

And surely you don't believe you're the ONLY one fortunate enough to learn from other's mistakes and was "lucky"  enough to escape the traps set to feed a mass incarceration?

No I am Not the only One to do so

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You and others are proof....living proof...that one CAN avoid the traps set by the system.
Especially with proper DECISION MAKING.

Learning from your missteps means you were caught but escaped...Decision Making had very little to do with this - Pure Luck

Learning from others missteps also means you were unaware of the trap but made aware by seeing others fall into it...Here Decision Making helped

To every Psyop they are exceptions that serve to prove the trap...

Few may escape the trap...many will get caught that is the nature of traps.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is the Greed of men in power who refuse to pay the Native American a fair price for(or give back) their Lands.....which would lift the native American out of poverty.

 

Most Native American communities suffer from high levels of alcoholism as well as suicide.
Simply paying them more money for their land probably won't solve the problem and may even make it worse because of the current psychological condition of so many.

They need to be properly educated FIRST.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is the Greed of wealthy men who make money from the school to prison pipeline why it is still being practice today....keepin many families in poverty.

 

I'd argue that RACISM is a bigger factor than GREED in fueling the school to prison pipeline.

They'd actually make MORE money investing in and educating Black and Brown students and ensuring that they don't end up in the streets or behind bars.
But money isn't their biggest concern.
OPPRESSION and MISTREATMENT are.

Alcoholism and Drug use is usually a sign of oppression and or depression...

Today just paying may make it worst but ways should be sought to both pay them and reddress damage inflicted by not paying them in the first place.

Whose education???

 

I am leading toward Greed as being a bigger factor in the School to Prison pipeline than Race....Race is definetly a major factor

Racism exist only because some groups of individuals are profiting from it

I agree more money would be made from educating Blacks...

Their biggest concern is loss of Power.....

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Show me one of my answers that is wrong or off topic?
Give an actual example from my post in response to your post....here in this thread.
Provide the example

 

 

Besides the example I mentioned near the top of this post about you going into another tangent about Black Codes and Jim Crow when I was talking about the irresponsible behavior of reckless parents....I'll give you 3 more examples from this thread alone:

Irresponsibility and recklessness is not the main reason why most black people are in poverty.

In the black community historically Black Codes/Racism have more to do with it .

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

1.  When I said,
"But is the person getting what they WANTED when they get the loan?
Maybe they don't mind being in debt if it means getting a degree or a nice big house."

 

Your response was,
"That is them entering into "Voluntary Slavery" by going into debt to another....in some cases."

 

Debt is NOT slavery.
You aren't FORCED to work for another person to pay back their loan and in many cases you aren't even forced (legally) to pay back the loan.
Their only recourse is to simply not loan or do business with you anymore.

In most cases they do not get what they want....once they accept the loan.

When people take out payday loans to get out of dept....they find out that they are now in more debt than before they took the loan.

Payday loans do not lend you enough to get a house or a degree

Not paying back the loan means Bankruptcy Bad Credit and Wage Garnishment.

Today's wage garnishment is pretty close to Debt Slavery

 

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

2.  You said,
"Usury often destroys Societies as it does not add directly to GDP so to speak."

 

You couldn't name me ONE society that was actually destroyed by Usury.

Usury is practiced extensively through out the United States and this is one of the most prosperous and successful societies in modern history.

I name Balitmore Black Communities and provided a Video

 

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

3. You said,
"It is the Purpose of Scripture to protects from known risk...that  we may be unaware of."

 

I gave you examples of Christians and Jews who had and believed in scriptures but they still got killed.
I'm still trying to understand how you square your statement up with these historic facts.

If they are Christians and Jews they are Religionist

Who may or may not be following scripture but instead follow dogma.

[frankster]

 

ADDENDUM

 

 

 

 Pioneer1 said:

The victims themselves making music ENCOURAGING criminal behavior and fighting with the police doesn't help either.

 

 

 

the new chairman of Time Warner's music division yesterday dismissed Doug Morris, the chief executive of the division's United States operations.......Mr. Morris is one of the company's staunchest defenders of the gangsta genre, which is known for its sometimes violent and sexually degrading lyrics.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/22/business/the-media-business-a-defender-of-gangsta-rap-is-dismissed-at-warner-music.html

 

 

The Truth about Private Prisons and Hip Hop and how you can help!

 

 

Hip Hop & Politics: Privatization of Prisons

 

The link between HipHop and Private Prisons

 

 

Is Gangsta Rap a Marketing Strategy for Injustice

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

       -telling me more shit I already know.

Minister Farrakhan has mentioned that back in the early 80s big time investor got together to discuss privatizing prisons and shortly afterward the distribution of Crack popped up in the ghettoes across the country and shortly after THAT...Gangsta Rap came on the scene promoting dope dealing, murder, and other forms of criminality that lead to high incarceration rates.
Guaranteed profit for these private prisons.
 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

Replace the crutch with something constructive.

 

That would be ideal, but if they DON'T HAVE anything more constructive at their disposal at the moment, or can't think beyond their crutch...then leave them with their crutch.
 

If a person has a broken leg and they're on crutches, would you take their crutches away from them and demand they "walk" anyway?
Or tell them they should use a scooter or electric wheel chair because it's faster and safer....even if there is not one in sight?

In this case, crutches seem to be better than NOTHING.

 

 

 

 

Nah bro.  Trailer park folks aren't waiting on a condo or house.

 

 

 

 

 

400 years of slavery.  Black folks can never be called lazy.

Remember that laziness isn't physical, it's mental.
 

Slavery is actually what PRODUCED the laziness.
The slaves worked hard because they were FORCED to work under threat of the whip.

Because of not seeing a reward or any sort of real compensation for the work he's doing, a slave will seek to get out of hard work it at every opportunity to get some relief and enjoyment in his life because his hard work only benefits others and not him.

So that habit of avoid work unless necessary turned into a culture for many of our people.
A legacy from the TransAtlantic Slave Trade.

 

 

 

 

How did the country get locked into the western economic system?

 

European colonization and imperialism.
But today they are CHOOSING to stay in that system.
Nobody is forcing them to militarily.

 

 

 

 

 

Greed and corruption keeps the masses poor

 

They're major factors, yes.

 

 

 

 

 

You may not want to blame greedy and corrupt leadership and economic systems for keeping people poor.  It's their reality until they decide to deal with those leaders and break free from those systems.

 

I don't have to; most people already blame them.
And they should be blamed to a certain extent because there is some truth to it.
However it's not the ONLY factor keeping people poor.

Those other factors...many of which are the fault of many of the poor themselves, is often more painful and shameful to admit and talk about.

 

 

 

 

Poor decision-making will keep folks in poverty.  Greed created the condition

 

Poor decision making can both CAUSE poverty and MAINTAIN poverty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster

 

Using Drugs as a crutch is not a viable or real solution..

 

It'll do, until a better one comes along.

Why do you think doctor prescribe DRUGS for their patients until the depression or pain goes away?

Some people need that crutch to get them through.

 

 

Really

 

Lol...

 

 

 

 

 

Learned Helplessness

 

True.
They were taught to look to White men for their sustenance instead of doing for self.

 

 

 

 

Get an advance from your employer????

 

Most employers don't offer that convenience.

 

 

 

 

It is a Biological Imperative to reproduce....so regardless of the circumstances life must continue to strive thrive overcome..

 

That's not the proper way to look at it.

If you can barely support yourself and you KNOW you can't, it's irresponsible and cruel to bring another life into this world.

 

 

 

 

 

Few of the people in poverty are their because of reckless and illegal behavior....

 

I'm not sure of the percentage but a LOT of them are.
Anyone who's been around people in poverty will recognize this.

 

 

 

 

 

The Main cause of Poverty in the US among Non-White People is Institutional and Structural Racism.....From the Past to the Present

 

I won't argue that.
Especially since you said the MAIN cause, instead of the ONLY cause.

 

 

 

 

Gangsta Rap that encourages violence and criminality is a result of Greedy Racist Music Producers and not Rap Artist..

 

They couldn't do so without the cooperation of the Rap Artists themselves who knowingly participate in mental genocide.

 

According to Christian tradition, Satan tempts some humans and those who do wicked and follow him are sent to Hell.

Notice that they don't just blame Satan but let the sinners he tempted go free.
No.
According to tradition, Satan AND those who were silly enough to fall for his temptations and do evil go to hell right along with him.
 

Likewise, it's not enough to ONLY blame the greedy racist producers and owners, but you must also blame the no good sell-out artists who promote criminality and immorality to a beat knowing full well it's being used to destroy their community.

 

 

 

 

The Police are doing the bidding of the Rich and Powerful

 

Which is why we need to focus on not just being the police but also being powerful and rich!

 

 

 

 

It is neither unethical or immoral...but a set of Rules implement by a board to Govern practicioners of the Profession.

 

Yeah, a Board of "Ethics"...lol
Because it's an ethical matter.

 

 

 

 

 

If You were sleeping around for years and start following the scripture today.....you may still get clap back from things you did as a philanderer.

 

But again, what about the little children and babies in Gaza and Ukraine who are killed?
Most of them are from Muslim and Christian families.
What did they do in the past (which is a relatively short time ago given their very young lives) that that may have contribute to them being killed by foreign weapons?
 

 

 

 

No I am Not the only One to do so

 

So just like YOU managed to stay out of trouble in part by making the RIGHT DECISIONS, others can too.

So what you say about NOT being able to avoid getting in trouble because of how the system is designed isn't necessarily true.

 

 

 

 

Alcoholism and Drug use is usually a sign of oppression and or depression...

 

Sometimes.
...and sometimes it's a matter of genetics.
Some people are genetically pre-disposed to being alcoholics and drug addicts no matter what their socio-economic status.

Regardless of their original status, they can quickly end up in POVERTY from their addictions.

 

 

 

Whose education???

 

First, a proper knowledge of SELF and who they are.
Many Native Americans barely know their own culture or their own genetics and what works best for their bodies and intellect; which is one of the reasons so many of them end up alcoholics in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 

I am leading toward Greed as being a bigger factor in the School to Prison pipeline than Race....Race is definetly a major factor

Racism exist only because some groups of individuals are profiting from it

Poor Whites don't profit from it, yet most of them are STILL racist as hell.

 

 

 

Irresponsibility and recklessness is not the main reason why most black people are in poverty.

 

Did anybody in here make that argument?
I didn't.

 

 

 

I name Balitmore Black Communities and provided a Video

 

1. That wasn't a SOCIETY but a community.
There's a difference.

 

2. It wasn't destroyed because of Usury but MULTIPLE factors.
Racism, crime, and substance abuse probably played much bigger rolls in the destruction of that community than high interest rates.

 

 

 

 

If they are Christians and Jews they are Religionist
Who may or may not be following scripture but instead follow dogma.

 

You're guessing and making assumptions about their faith and belief.
Are you suggesting that the people who called themselves Christians and Jews but still ended up being killed must have NOT been following Scripture?

You said "may or may not".
So what about those who MAY have been following Scripture but still got killed?

 

[ProfD]

On 2/26/2025 at 7:54 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If a person has a broken leg and they're on crutches, would you take their crutches away from them and demand they "walk" anyway?

Depends om how long they've been hobbling around on those crutches. Some folks have been drug addicts and/or alcoholics FOR YEARS.

 

On 2/26/2025 at 7:54 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Remember that laziness isn't physical, it's mental.

Agreed. Mentally lazy people definitely need to be kicked in the azz.

 

On 2/26/2025 at 7:54 PM, Pioneer1 said:

European colonization and imperialism.
But today they are CHOOSING to stay in that system.
Nobody is forcing them to militarily.

The threat of a military is enough to keep a whole country full of people on stuck.

 

As I mentioned in another thread, the former colonizers are still running weaker countries by remote control.

 

Similar to the chained elephant that has been locked up for awhile. Even once the restraints are removed and the elephant is set free, it doesn't go anywhere thinking it's still in bondage.

 

Greed is heavily fortified. It will take a herculean effort to overcome it. Especially when people are relatively happy with their own situation.

[frankster]

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

       -telling me more shit I already know.

Minister Farrakhan has mentioned that back in the early 80s big time investor got together to discuss privatizing prisons and shortly afterward the distribution of Crack popped up in the ghettoes across the country and shortly after THAT...Gangsta Rap came on the scene promoting dope dealing, murder, and other forms of criminality that lead to high incarceration rates.
Guaranteed profit for these private prisons.

Then why not lay the responsibility where it belongs instead of on the victims?

If you know better say better..

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

 

Using Drugs as a crutch is not a viable or real solution..

 

It'll do, until a better one comes along.

Why do you think doctor prescribe DRUGS for their patients until the depression or pain goes away?

Some people need that crutch to get them through.

Doctors who prescribe drugs are following a protocol of treatment....it is not the same as buying illicit drugs on the corner.

If you cannot tell the difference between a Dealer and a Doctor ....it is sad.

The dealer wants you as a customer for life....The doctor wants to relieve your discomfort

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Really

 

Lol...

 

Learned Helplessness

 

True.
They were taught to look to White men for their sustenance instead of doing for self.

Yes it is a form of Mental Prison indoctrinated on Black Inner city Youths

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Get an advance from your employer????

 

Most employers don't offer that convenience.

Then get a second job.

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is a Biological Imperative to reproduce....so regardless of the circumstances life must continue to strive thrive overcome..

 

That's not the proper way to look at it.

If you can barely support yourself and you KNOW you can't, it's irresponsible and cruel to bring another life into this world.

To each his own....

I am here because my Ancestors had hope and knew that life must continue and adapt.

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Few of the people in poverty are their because of reckless and illegal behavior....

 

I'm not sure of the percentage but a LOT of them are.
Anyone who's been around people in poverty will recognize this.

I am around them everyday and every one said they grew up poor.

Except those who are of European descent

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Main cause of Poverty in the US among Non-White People is Institutional and Structural Racism.....From the Past to the Present

 

I won't argue that.
Especially since you said the MAIN cause, instead of the ONLY cause.

cool

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Gangsta Rap that encourages violence and criminality is a result of Greedy Racist Music Producers and not Rap Artist..

 

They couldn't do so without the cooperation of the Rap Artists themselves who knowingly participate in mental genocide.

Victims who are Coerce do not bear the burden of Guilt

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

According to Christian tradition, Satan tempts some humans and those who do wicked and follow him are sent to Hell.

Notice that they don't just blame Satan but let the sinners he tempted go free.

Same Christian Tradition says all they have to do is Ask for Forgivenness

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

No.
According to tradition, Satan AND those who were silly enough to fall for his temptations and do evil go to hell right along with him.

Only when they do not Confess their Sins and  ask for Forgivennes

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Likewise, it's not enough to ONLY blame the greedy racist producers and owners, but you must also blame the no good sell-out artists who promote criminality and immorality to a beat knowing full well it's being used to destroy their community.

STOP.....blaming the victim!

Their complicity will be search out....

Did they know of the negative impact their raps was having on the community?

Were they aware of the Connection?

Were they tricked into making those Rap songs?

Were they lied to about those songs?

Often times it comes down to what the Producers Promote

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Police are doing the bidding of the Rich and Powerful

 

Which is why we need to focus on not just being the police but also being powerful and rich!

Yes

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

It is neither unethical or immoral...but a set of Rules implement by a board to Govern practicioners of the Profession.

 

Yeah, a Board of "Ethics"...lol
Because it's an ethical matter.

It has little to done with Ethics are Morals....its purely what is good for business and the Profession

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

if You were sleeping around for years and start following the scripture today.....you may still get clap back from things you did as a philanderer.

 

But again, what about the little children and babies in Gaza and Ukraine who are killed?
Most of them are from Muslim and Christian families.
What did they do in the past (which is a relatively short time ago given their very young lives) that that may have contribute to them being killed by foreign weapons?

Primarily they have been targeted...... their parents are living in Gaza

They are involve because of geographical proximity and blood relationships

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

No I am Not the only One to do so

 

So just like YOU managed to stay out of trouble in part by making the RIGHT DECISIONS, others can too.

So what you say about NOT being able to avoid getting in trouble because of how the system is designed isn't necessarily true.

To every rule their is exceptions...

The Rule is made to trap the most possible and as time goes on one improves on it 

The Trap is not going to catch everybody but it will catch more and more

If I by escaping the trap think that it is because of my decision making....then I would be wrong

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Alcoholism and Drug use is usually a sign of oppression and or depression...

 

Sometimes.
...and sometimes it's a matter of genetics.
Some people are genetically pre-disposed to being alcoholics and drug addicts no matter what their socio-economic status.

Regardless of their original status, they can quickly end up in POVERTY from their addictions.

I said "Usually"

Depression can be genetic they way it is understood.....depression can also be learned coping system that is a maladjustment

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Whose education???

 

First, a proper knowledge of SELF and who they are.
Many Native Americans barely know their own culture or their own genetics and what works best for their bodies and intellect; which is one of the reasons so many of them end up alcoholics in the first place.

You think Europeans are going to teach Native Americans about who they are and whats best for them?

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I am leading toward Greed as being a bigger factor in the School to Prison pipeline than Race....Race is definetly a major factor

Racism exist only because some groups of individuals are profiting from it

Poor Whites don't profit from it, yet most of them are STILL racist as hell.

When You say dumb shyte like this....makes me wonder - cause you should know better.

Sends me into i am dealing with a racist mode....lets pull out the big guns type of shyte

Now I am thinking you either not seeing the connection or you are a wigger

Two Words - White Privilege....search it up

Now if you use the dictionary it may say "possessed by" it should be "given to"

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Irresponsibility and recklessness is not the main reason why most black people are in poverty.

 

Did anybody in here make that argument?
I didn't.

Your arguments implied as much....thanks for the clarification.

Why then worry about incidentals....Lets deal with Gorilla in the room - that has real lasting effects and results in meaningful change and understanding.

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I name Balitmore Black Communities and provided a Video

 

1. That wasn't a SOCIETY but a community.
There's a difference.

 

2. It wasn't destroyed because of Usury but MULTIPLE factors.
Racism, crime, and substance abuse probably played much bigger rolls in the destruction of that community than high interest rates.

Here is my understanding of a Society

the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.

people in general, living together in communities

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/society?q=society

 

The Video spoke to the role payday loan centers had...

Every black community or society has to deal with racism crime etc.....but in the case of Baltimore payday loan centers had a huge impact.

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If they are Christians and Jews they are Religionist
Who may or may not be following scripture but instead follow dogma.

 

You're guessing and making assumptions about their faith and belief.

No I am not.....I know about these Faith and understand and know these religion.

Now about the individual persons belief that is an assumption on my part..

Now if the do not practice their faith the way prescribe by their religion then they are heretics and or an apostates....in short fake.

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Are you suggesting that the people who called themselves Christians and Jews but still ended up being killed must have NOT been following Scripture?

No....never said that.

 

14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You said "may or may not".
So what about those who MAY have been following Scripture but still got killed?

What were they doing before the began following scripture?

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

Depends om how lonfg they've been hobbling around on those crutches. Some folks have been drug addicts and/or alcoholics FOR YEARS

 

Sometimes, this because the terrible situation they are trying to mentally ESCAPE from lasts for years.
A victim of an abusive relationship that they are afraid to get out of may abuse substances to cope with their life while struggling to raise their children through the turmoil.

 

 

Agreed. Mentally lazy people definitely need to be kicked in the azz.

 

ALL laziness is mental.

 

If someone is physically tired it's called LETHARGY.

 

Laziness doesn't mean lack of energy or tired.
It means lack of motivation or incentive to do what needs to be done regardless of your energy levels.

 

 

The threat of a military is enough to keep a whole country full of people on stuck.
 

When I said military, I was speaking of OUTSIDE nations forcing them to adhere to Western standard.
Not the national military keeping their own people oppressed; which is often the case.

 

Similar to the chained elephant that has been locked up for awhile. Even once the restraints are removed and the elephant is set free, it doesn't go anywhere thinking it's still in bondage.
 

And that's the situation with many if not most of these African, Asian, and Latin American countries who are still MENTALLY colonized.



 

Greed is heavily fortified. It will take a herculean effort to overcome it. Especially when people are relatively happy with their own situation
 

It goes back to that laziness again.
Many of them don't think beyond their immediate day-to-day lives.
 

For example....

Think of a poor young brutha living in rural South Sudan.
He wants a nice car to ride around in.

Instead of thinking of building a factory so that he could actually MANUFACTURE many many nice cars and even get rich from this; he would rather wait on his sister or cousin in America to SEND him enough money so that he can save it up and eventually SEND an order to America or Europe and have one delivered.

So now he rides around in dirt roads and live in a raggedy shack, but is driving a Lexus or Benz...and very happy and proud.
 

That's the thinking of a lot of our people not just around the world but right here in the United States in the ghetto.

Driving a nice car on nice rims but you're ducking and dodging potholes in the street as you pull up to your raggedy ass apartment building.

 

 

 

 

 

 

frankster


Then why not lay the responsibility where it belongs instead of on the victims?
 

Because the so-called victims ARE responsible.

 

The White man brings the dope into the hood, a bunch of greedy cold-hearted niggazs rock it up and sell it to anybody and their mamma, and stupid niggas who didn't pay attention to the "just say no" commercials buy it and smoke it.

 

Which one gets to play "victim"?

 

 

Doctors who prescribe drugs are following a protocol of treatment....it is not the same as buying illicit drugs on the corner.

Lol, apparently you aren't familiar with Biggie Smalls' 10 Crack Commandments.

 

"There's rule to this shit...I wrote me a manual".

PROTOCOL

Drug pushers ALSO follow a protocol, though less scripted.
They find out what people want and sell it to them for profit and greed.

 

 

 

 

If you cannot tell the difference between a Dealer and a Doctor ....it is sad.

 

Well turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN, because I can tell you the difference!

Doctors have Medical Degrees and a lot of college debt.

Besides that, both are pushing drugs on their customers.

 

 

 

The dealer wants you as a customer for life....The doctor wants to relieve your discomfort

 

This joke tells itself....lol. 

 

 

 

Yes it is a form of Mental Prison indoctrinated on Black Inner city Youths

 

Correct.

 

 

 

 

Then get a second job.

 

Sure...

-And they should just forget about the children they have to take to and from school as well as take care of them at home; which is already hectic trying to do with ONE full time job.

 

-Forget about that pesky drug addiction they're trying to feed which is why they needed the quick cash in the first place.

-Forget about diabetes and high blood pressure and other ailments they're suffering from and just pretend they are as healthy as a 19 year old and CAN work a second job...though they can barely hold on to the one they have now.

Life is so easy, when you live it through the internet.

 

 

 

 

 

To each his own....

I am here because my Ancestors had hope and knew that life must continue and adapt.

 

Slow down my brutha...
Don't get too caught up in speculations and romanizations, lol.

The physical you is here because one particular sperm was strong enough to fertilize an egg.

 

 

 

 

I am around them everyday and every one said they grew up poor.
Except those who are of European descent

 

Ever thought about the possibility that just because they inherited POVERTY from their parents, they may have inherited the RECKLESS and IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR that led to that poverty also?

Their parent(s) didn't save money and lived from day to day and ended up broke as hell, and they learned that shit from THEM and now THEY'RE broke as hell living from day to day.

 

 

 

 

Victims who are Coerce do not bear the burden of Guilt

 

What about the victims who IN TURN become the VICTIMIZERS of others?

 

 

 

 

Same Christian Tradition says all they have to do is Ask for Forgivenness

 

Regardless, those who CHOOSE to follow Satan aren't excused as mere innocent "victims" but are held accountable for their role in aiding and abetting the Devil and his work.

 

Likewise, the dope dealer and gansta rapper MUST be held accountable for their role in the attempted genocide and mentacide of their own people.

 

 

 

 

 

Only when they do not Confess their Sins and  ask for Forgivennes

 

Not only do Gangsta Rappers CONFESS their sins, they BRAG about them.

For reference....
Run back up to the top of the post and check out Biggie's 10 Crack Commandments, lol.

 

 

 

 

STOP.....blaming the victim!

If you SEE an innocent victim in the writing, producing, and distributing of Gangsta Rap, please point them out.
 

 

 

 

Did they know of the negative impact their raps was having on the community?

 

Did they care?

 

 

 

 

 

Were they tricked into making those Rap songs?

 

Don't stop there.....

Were they "tricked" into selling the dope and killing the people they are rapping about also?

Were they tricked into bragging about their crimes to fellow inmates while they were locked up in prison?
 

Silly wabbit'....your "tricks" argument  is for kids or adults to dumb and inexperienced to know better.

 

 

 

 

 

Primarily they have been targeted...... their parents are living in Gaza

They are involve because of geographical proximity and blood relationships

 

Again, how did the Scriptures PROTECT them.

 

 

 

 

To every rule their is exceptions...

The Rule is made to trap the most possible and as time goes on one improves on it 

The Trap is not going to catch everybody but it will catch more and more

If I by escaping the trap think that it is because of my decision making....then I would be wrong

 

 

So when you said,
"You can not stay out of Trouble....When you are both being Program to Violent React and the Target of Oppressive Policies."

That certainly didn't apply to you.
YOU managed to stay out of trouble (for the most part) and you also said you weren't the only one.

 

 

 

 

You think Europeans are going to teach Native Americans about who they are and whats best for them?

 

Who suggested that EUROPEANS teach them?
Certainly not me.

They should be taught by those who are intelligent and knowledgeable among their own kind.

 

 

 

When You say dumb shyte like this....makes me wonder - cause you should know better.
Sends me into i am dealing with a racist mode....lets pull out the big guns type of shyte
Now I am thinking you either not seeing the connection or you are a wigger
Two Words - White Privilege....search it up

 

Calm down man....lol.
There MIGHT be a bit of a disconnect.

 

When I say poor Whites aren't profiting, you SEEM to believe I'm speaking in broader terms.
I was speaking SPECIFICALLY about profiting from the school to prison pipeline.

Most poor whites don't profit from that except through maybe a few corrections officer jobs or being employed in the local service industry of whatever community that prison happens to be located in.

 

 

 

 

Every black community or society has to deal with racism crime etc.....but in the case of Baltimore payday loan centers had a huge impact.

 

There's a difference between something having a "huge impact" and actually DESTROYING a community.

 

The homicide of a child has a HUGE IMPACT on a community.
As tragic as it is, it doesn't DESTROY a community.
....not one child's death.

 

 

 

No I am not.....I know about these Faith and understand and know these religion.

Now about the individual persons belief that is an assumption on my part..

Now if the do not practice their faith the way prescribe by their religion then they are heretics and or an apostates....in short fake.

 

So again, which among these actually FOLLOWS SCRIPTURE?

 

 

 

 

 What were they doing before the began following scripture?
 

Ok, I understand what you're saying.

What I'm not too clear about is at WHAT point does Scripture actually offer protection?
 

You said that Scripture is here to protect you.
If it's here to protect you, shouldn't it also protect you from the consequences of past behavior also?

A seatbelt should protect a person in ALL car accidents.
If a person gets into a wreck and goes flying though the windshield.....Biggie Smalls said:



                 "CALL THE CORONER' "



..... the coroner doesn't assume that they WERE wearing a seatbelt like they were supposed to; but their death is "payback" for all of the times they neglected to wear one.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sometimes, this because the terrible situation they are trying to mentally ESCAPE from lasts for years.

There's other ways to get out of a bad situation.  Drug and alcohol abuse has never worked.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

ALL laziness is mental.

 

It means lack of motivation or incentive to do what needs to be done regardless of your energy levels.

Agreed.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

When I said military, I was speaking of OUTSIDE nations forcing them to adhere to Western standard.
Not the national military keeping their own people oppressed; which is often the case.

Understood. 

 

I believe the threat of an outside military showing up and kicking azz keeps countries stuck. 

 

That's why France has such a strong influence on ECOWAS.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Think of a poor young brutha living in rural South Sudan.
He wants a nice car to ride around in.

 

So now he rides around in dirt roads and live in a raggedy shack, but is driving a Lexus or Benz...and very happy and proud.
 

That's the thinking of a lot of our people not just around the world but right here in the United States in the ghetto.

Driving a nice car on nice rims but you're ducking and dodging potholes in the street as you pull up to your raggedy ass apartment building.

As you've probably read from my posts, gross consumerism among Black people is a huge problem.  Black folks over-sample on a number of things.  Materialism is #1 on the list.

 

Black people haven't avoided building factories and other infrastructure due to laziness or lack of knowledge.  They keep sucking on the white man's ice believing it's colder. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

There's other ways to get out of a bad situation.  Drug and alcohol abuse has never worked.

 

There's a solution to EVERY problem.
Usually multiple solutions.

But that doesn't mean that a person will live long enough to FIND that solution.

Some people simply aren't smart enough or have others around them smart enough to understand and solve the problem they're going through.

So meanwhile, they must cope...the best way they can.
Whether it's through drugs, alcohol, music, sex, etc...

 

 

That's why France has such a strong influence on ECOWAS.

 

Not to mention the fact that France and pretty much all Western European nations (and their progeny like the U.S. and Canada)  belong to NATO and stick together militarily.
So when you're in conflict with France, you're also in conflict with the United States.

 

 

 

 

Black people haven't avoided building factories and other infrastructure due to laziness or lack of knowledge.  They keep sucking on the white man's ice believing it's colder. 

 

If they believe the White man's ice IS colder, isn't this a sign of ignorance or lack of knowledge?

The fact is, a very great and industrious time for AfroAmericans was during Reconstruction right after Slavery.

Why?

Because we were not only ambitious and eager to show the world that we could be industrious and independent like other peoples...but coming right out of slavery where so many of our people were used to working hard FOR NOTHING.
Now was our opportunity to put all of those manual labor skills and hard work to use FOR OURSELVES and for PROFIT.

[ProfD]

On 2/28/2025 at 6:40 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Some people simply aren't smart enough or have others around them smart enough to understand and solve the problem they're going through.

The information superhighway is available to everyone. Even the poorest folks have access to computers. They can seek out help.

On 2/28/2025 at 6:40 PM, Pioneer1 said:

So meanwhile, they must cope...the best way they can.
Whether it's through drugs, alcohol, music, sex, etc...

The inability to solve problems constructively will always leave people in a vulnerable position. Destructive behaviors only make it worse.

 

On 2/28/2025 at 6:40 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If they believe the White man's ice IS colder, isn't this a sign of ignorance or lack of knowledge?

Neither. White supremacy runs the world.

 

On 2/28/2025 at 6:40 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The fact is, a very great and industrious time for AfroAmericans was during Reconstruction right after Slavery.

Now was our opportunity to put all of those manual labor skills and hard work to use FOR OURSELVES and for PROFIT.

A few issues there...1) Black folks didn't have enough resources to buy equipment and materials to build  and 2) post-slavery white folks weren't going to hire and pay Black folks to work for them and  3) white folks weren't going to consume whatever Black folks produced. 

 

Post-Slavery Black folks were in a situation of not having...no job, money, housing, transportation, etc. It's hard to build from a net negative position.

[Chevdove]

On 2/16/2025 at 10:03 AM, Pioneer1 said:

I've had this discussion with many Africans who DO tend to be very religious and are adamant about professing and even sharing their faiths.
I think it's just one of the many things that divide an already divided people; however that's not the MAIN reason I'm not religious.

One of the main reasons I'm not religious and don't ascribe to religion now is out of disappointment.

 

Yes, I am disappointed too.

 

I think that, because of Africa though, religion will always be a big topic and stumbling block for the western world.
I don't think Africans will ever stop being religious.

I also think that we need to look at religion from an historical point of view too, in order to understand why Africans, for the most part will never separate from religion, whether or not they agree with each others form of religion.

 

I think that many Black Americans don't like religion because they don't understand what America did in exploiting it. 

Americans and certain ancient east world people are, by nature, Separatist.

They Separated Church and State, but they did this after they did a 'bait and switch' deceptive programming in order to encourage their Blacks to separate from religion. 

First, they infiltrate. Then they act as if they accept the indigenous peoples religion, then they introduce ideas of opposition, then they introduce their fee way of thinking and believing and then comes division, and finally separation. 

This has been a repetitive process for thousands of years, and most Africans are now aware of this deception, so they won't ever separate from their religion, imo. 

 

 

[frankster]

 

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster


Then why not lay the responsibility where it belongs instead of on the victims?
 

Because the so-called victims ARE responsible.

 

The White man brings the dope into the hood, a bunch of greedy cold-hearted niggazs rock it up and sell it to anybody and their mamma, and stupid niggas who didn't pay attention to the "just say no" commercials buy it and smoke it.

 

Which one gets to play "victim"?

Who Bougth or Brought the "dope"....?

He who brought the dope is the Victimizer.....looking for the weak and vulnerable to victimize

Not "cold hearted"...oppressed young and hungry..

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Doctors who prescribe drugs are following a protocol of treatment....it is not the same as buying illicit drugs on the corner.

Lol, apparently you aren't familiar with Biggie Smalls' 10 Crack Commandments.

 

"There's rule to this shit...I wrote me a manual".

PROTOCOL

Drug pushers ALSO follow a protocol, though less scripted.
They find out what people want and sell it to them for profit and greed.

Drugs dealers have no protocol.....they have street codes

Drug dealers never found out anything...it was given to them to go do

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

If you cannot tell the difference between a Dealer and a Doctor ....it is sad.

 

Well turn that frown UPSIDE DOWN, because I can tell you the difference!

Doctors have Medical Degrees and a lot of college debt.

Besides that, both are pushing drugs on their customers.

Yes....but one is considered Illicit

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

The dealer wants you as a customer for life....The doctor wants to relieve your discomfort

 

This joke tells itself....lol. 

Truth and Life is often humorus..

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Yes it is a form of Mental Prison indoctrinated on Black Inner city Youths

 

Correct.

Cool

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Then get a second job.

 

Sure...

-And they should just forget about the children they have to take to and from school as well as take care of them at home; which is already hectic trying to do with ONE full time job.

Those are the breaks....those payday loans only tends to make it worse

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

-Forget about that pesky drug addiction they're trying to feed which is why they needed the quick cash in the first place.

The action I suggest can only help them break free of the "addiction" and the "trap"

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

-Forget about diabetes and high blood pressure and other ailments they're suffering from and just pretend they are as healthy as a 19 year old and CAN work a second job...though they can barely hold on to the one they have now.

Life is so easy, when you live it through the internet.

1Corinthians10:13....

Hence the reason why the Victimizer finds plenty victims.....weak and vulnerable

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

To each his own....

I am here because my Ancestors had hope and knew that life must continue and adapt.

 

Slow down my brutha...
Don't get too caught up in speculations and romanizations, lol.

The physical you is here because one particular sperm was strong enough to fertilize an egg.

Doesnt change anything....I am here because my Ancestors -

The sperm and egg that form my physical body must come from my Ancestors.

Having children by intention or accident is a sure sign of hope for the future

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

I am around them everyday and every one said they grew up poor.
Except those who are of European descent

 

Ever thought about the possibility that just because they inherited POVERTY from their parents, they may have inherited the RECKLESS and IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR that led to that poverty also?

Obviously.....Parents teach and model what they know

Since they Inherited it....and remain in poverty - it never led to poverty

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Their parent(s) didn't save money and lived from day to day and ended up broke as hell, and they learned that shit from THEM and now THEY'RE broke as hell living from day to day.

Yes

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Victims who are Coerce do not bear the burden of Guilt

 

What about the victims who IN TURN become the VICTIMIZERS of others?

First  Penalize for being a Victimizers and sometimes concurrently Treatment is offered for their Victimhood.

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Same Christian Tradition says all they have to do is Ask for Forgivenness

 

Regardless, those who CHOOSE to follow Satan aren't excused as mere innocent "victims" but are held accountable for their role in aiding and abetting the Devil and his work.

Held accountable by whom???

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Likewise, the dope dealer and gansta rapper MUST be held accountable for their role in the attempted genocide and mentacide of their own people.

Africans basic is philosophy Ubuntu....I am because we are - Shared Humanity

European basic philosophy is.....I think there I am - Rugged Individuality

We can forgive through we have understanding.

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Only when they do not Confess their Sins and  ask for Forgivennes

 

Not only do Gangsta Rappers CONFESS their sins, they BRAG about them.

For reference....
Run back up to the top of the post and check out Biggie's 10 Crack Commandments, lol.

So then forgiveness is all but guaranteed

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

STOP.....blaming the victim!

If you SEE an innocent victim in the writing, producing, and distributing of Gangsta Rap, please point them out.

They are all Victims of Racism..

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Did they know of the negative impact their raps was having on the community?

 

Did they care?

Distracted by the Distress...of oppression leaves many vulnerable

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Were they tricked into making those Rap songs?

 

Don't stop there.....

Were they "tricked" into selling the dope and killing the people they are rapping about also?

Yes 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Were they tricked into bragging about their crimes to fellow inmates while they were locked up in prison?

Yes

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Silly wabbit'....your "tricks" argument  is for kids or adults to dumb and inexperienced to know better.

Yes....most rappers begin their career in there teens end in their 30's

Most rappers will tell they did not undestand their contracts till years later....worst they never even read it

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Primarily they have been targeted...... their parents are living in Gaza

They are involve because of geographical proximity and blood relationships

 

Again, how did the Scriptures PROTECT them.

They are Religionists by virtue of their parents.....practicing a religion

Religionist do not follow scripture

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

To every rule their is exceptions...

The Rule is made to trap the most possible and as time goes on one improves on it 

The Trap is not going to catch everybody but it will catch more and more

If I by escaping the trap think that it is because of my decision making....then I would be wrong

 

 

So when you said,
"You can not stay out of Trouble....When you are both being Program to Violent React and the Target of Oppressive Policies."

That certainly didn't apply to you.
YOU managed to stay out of trouble (for the most part) and you also said you weren't the only one.

We were all in Trouble as a result of being targeted....some are lucky to have escape.

 

You think Europeans are going to teach Native Americans about who they are and whats best for them

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Who suggested that EUROPEANS teach them?
Certainly not me.

They should be taught by those who are intelligent and knowledgeable among their own kind.

If Allowed by the Oppressor?

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

You think Europeans are going to teach Native Americans about who they are and whats best for them

When You say dumb shyte like this....makes me wonder - cause you should know better.
Sends me into i am dealing with a racist mode....lets pull out the big guns type of shyte
Now I am thinking you either not seeing the connection or you are a wigger
Two Words - White Privilege....search it up

 

Calm down man....lol.
There MIGHT be a bit of a disconnect.

 

When I say poor Whites aren't profiting, you SEEM to believe I'm speaking in broader terms.
I was speaking SPECIFICALLY about profiting from the school to prison pipeline.

Most poor whites don't profit from that except through maybe a few corrections officer jobs or being employed in the local service industry of whatever community that prison happens to be located in.

90% of the Whites who died during the American Civil War of the Confederacy.....owned no enslaved person - they simply could no afford one.

What does that tell you ?

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

Every black community or society has to deal with racism crime etc.....but in the case of Baltimore payday loan centers had a huge impact.

 

There's a difference between something having a "huge impact" and actually DESTROYING a community.

 

The homicide of a child has a HUGE IMPACT on a community.
As tragic as it is, it doesn't DESTROY a community.
....not one child's death.

There are many Institutions that pillage and rape black communities....in the case of Baltmore Payday Loans was a major factor - not the only factor.

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

 

 

No I am not.....I know about these Faith and understand and know these religion.

Now about the individual persons belief that is an assumption on my part..

Now if the do not practice their faith the way prescribe by their religion then they are heretics and or an apostates....in short fake.

 

So again, which among these actually FOLLOWS SCRIPTURE?

Usually those called Spiritual and Natural Mystics

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

What were they doing before the began following scripture?
 

Ok, I understand what you're saying.

What I'm not too clear about is at WHAT point does Scripture actually offer protection?

Usually based on the level or depth of your Experience and Understanding....it is not a time or place it is - It starts as a Way of Life then a Way of Being

Protection starts when it is a Way of Being

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

You said that Scripture is here to protect you.
If it's here to protect you, shouldn't it also protect you from the consequences of past behavior also?

Western christians teach that religious use of scripture does protect you from the past...

Africans Spirituality teaches that Past actions must impact Present and Future....

 

 

On 2/27/2025 at 8:09 PM, Pioneer1 said:

A seatbelt should protect a person in ALL car accidents.
If a person gets into a wreck and goes flying though the windshield.....Biggie Smalls said:



                 "CALL THE CORONER' "



..... the coroner doesn't assume that they WERE wearing a seatbelt like they were supposed to; but their death is "payback" for all of the times they neglected to wear one.

That is true if you put on the seat belt before the accident.....if you put it on after the accident then - yeah the accident will continue to impact you present and future.