Does Burning Tesla Vehicles Constitute Domestic Terrorism?

[ProfD]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tesla-vehicles-vandalized-us-musk-began-white-house/story?id=119910817

 

I have no idea of who is setting Tesla vehicles and charging stations on fire. 

 

However, we do know who owns Tesla and his proximity to POTUS OJ. The unelected dude is ruffling a lot of feathers.

 

Even if the arsonists are politically motivated, it seems like a stretch to consider burning up vehicles a form of domestic terrorism.

 

There are charges that can be brought against the arsonists once apprehended. I do not believe they are domestic terrorists. Feel free to make the case otherwise.

[Pioneer1]

Actually.......
Although I'm not the biggest fan of either Trump or Musk, burning vehicles probably DOES fall into that category.

"T" is political/religious motivated violence designed to instill fear in or influence your adversary.

Whether it's harming people.
Burning churches.
Burning crosses.
......or even burning cars.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

"T" is political/religious motivated violence designed to instill fear in or influence your adversary.

Right.

 

Burning up Teslas won't strike fear in American citizens. The population won't believe they're under attack.

 

I doubt Tesla is fearful of the backlash its owner has incurred. It won't put a dent in his fortune either. 

 

It will be interesting to see how charges are filed against the perpetrators. Let's see if they are charged as domestic terrorists or get the January 6th treatment.

[Troy]

I was just thinking about how much I like Tesla’s and once they deal with that shitty battery charging time I would definitely line up to buy one or similar vehicle.

 

 I really would not consider buying a Tesla today. I’m surprised by my reaction, but I really don’t wanna do anything to support that dude financially.

Someone from X reached out to me to advertise and I explained to him how I’ve been locked out of my account for 18 months and suggested it may have been some DEI bullshit. THE GUY CATEGORICALLY DENIED THAT IT WOULD BE DEI. I SENT THEM A SCREENSHOT SHOWING HOW I CAN’T EVEN SEE MY ACCOUNT AND I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK SINCE. I’M NOT SURPRISED HE’S IS JUST A SALES GUY (I have no idea why that block of text changed to all caps. I’m not going back and re-dictating it again.)

 

But back to the question; unless there were people inside the car when it was set on fire I don’t think it’s an act of domestic terrorism. Anyone setting cars on fire should be punished to the full extent of the law, but it’s not like some guy with a vest strapped to himself, walking into a mall and blowing himself and anyone nearby up.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Right.

Burning up Teslas won't strike fear in American citizens. The population won't believe they're under attack.
 

Tell that to the people working at or near the dealership where they are being torched.
Or better yet, those living near by.

You  see a row of cars on fire...you don't know WHAT'S going on or what to believe.
It certainly will alarm if not scare the average citizen because that's not something you're used to seeing.

 

 

It will be interesting to see how charges are filed against the perpetrators. Let's see if they are charged as domestic terrorists or get the January 6th treatment.
 

Come on man....lol....you know better than that.
But if there's something I can say about Trump, he certainly looks out for his own.

I didn't think those Jan-6 rioters would be set free and pardoned so blatantly, but he came in and did it like he said he would.






 

Troy

What you just described is more of an EXTREME form of it.
But I don't think it necessarily has to consist of actually physically harming people.

Any act of violence that could LEAD to the harming of people for political or religious purposes would probably suffice.
 

When I was 14 I CONSIDERED getting into the street life.
After a few days of chilling with one of my cousins who was a straight up dope slanger, something happened that made me seriously reconsider THAT avenue and focus on the right path...lol.

Apparently he was beefing with some other rival dope pushers and when we left his house, they shot up the house with an AK-47 as a "warning" to him.
 

-I'm talking about bullet holes big enough to put your fist through.

-I'm talking bullets so strong that they went THROUGH the entire house...including several rooms.
 

-Do you understand me....lol???
 

-I'm talking about standing in the FRONT of the house...looking through one of them holes...and seeing the back alley...lol.

 

I later found out that they knew everybody in the house had left and didn't want to kill anybody...yet...but just send a warning.
After that day, I didn't even go back to that house again; (Which actually had several more incidents of violence later before it got shut down) and although nobody was harmed...that incident right there was enough to instill enough fear in me and influence my decision about whether or not I wanted to join the streets.

It was effective, even if that wasn't the intention of the perpetrators.
 

[Troy]

16 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Which actually had several more incidents of violence...

 

So apparently the first message was not strong enough. 

 

A drug dealer shooting up the house of another known drug dealer does not rise to a case of domestic terrorism any more than torching a single Tesla.

 

[Pioneer1]

Troy

...not strong enough for somebody who wasn't afraid to die.
He said if he was IN the house it wouldn't have mattered.
Him and his boys and a few of their girls were joking about it and we all went out to a club later on that night and it wasn't even mentioned.

Even at 14, that attitude right there told me that that lifestyle wasn't for me.

Ahhh man, they went back and forth back and forth for months.
I can tell you stories about this one cousin ALONE and the shit he used to get into with his rivals on that block....lol.

Anyway.....

I didn't tell that story to insinuate that drug dealers should be considered domestic t--.
I told it to illustrate how powerful acts of violence could be on influencing and striking fear in people even if no one is actually harmed.

Setting cars on fire may SEEM trivial and petty as you sit in your room or den thinking about it.
But if you actually walk or drive down the street and witness a group of angry young men shouting something as they torch a car...then another....THAT would certainly strike ter---r in the hearts of a lot of people.


* While ProfD avoids cussing for the algorithm, me on the other hand....I try to avoid using the actual "t" word for algorithmic purposes, lol
 

[ProfD]

The only reason they would consider burning Teslas an act of domestic terrorism is because of who owns it. His money is having a major influence on American politics.

 

They wouldn't consider it domestic terrorism if someone burned up a bunch of Kia or Hyundai vehicles. 

[umbrarchist]

Has anyone been killed or injured besides the guy who offed himself in Las Vegas at the Trump building entrance.

 

Wait, I think they said a couple of injuries happened there.

 

I am inclined to say it is Not Terrorism because of the focus and probable intent. It is kind of an attack on government failure so some people in government would prefer to call it Terrorism.

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[Pioneer1]

ProfD


The only reason they would consider burning Teslas an act of domestic terrorism is because of who owns it. His money is having a major influence on American politics.

Exactly.
That's what makes it DT.

If it was a bunch of kids running around randomly setting cars on fire, then it would be little more than vandalism.

My understanding is that there wasn't just one incident but MULTIPLE incidents of Telsa cars being set on fire in the U.S. and in Canada.
It's clearly politically motivated.

[ProfD]

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

That's what makes it DT.

It's clearly politically motivated.

Many Tesla drivers are Democrats. Whenever charges are brought it will be interesting to see how the trials play out.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

A lot of Democrats are so-called "Liberal".
Not all, but most.
A so-called Liberal who is concerned with the environment will by a Tesla because it's electric and will emit less fumes that wreak havoc on the environment.

I say "so-called" Liberal because when I was a kid, and especially back in the 50s and 60s, the word "Liberal" meant a White person who was pro Black and pro women's rights.
Since the 90s the shit has evovled....or DEvolved...into some weird ass political belief that includes protecting and promoting homosexuals and trans, environmental activism, and protecting illegal immigrants.
The LAST thing on a so-called White "Liberal's" agenda today is looking out for Black folks.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

A lot of Democrats are so-called "Liberal".
Not all, but most.

 

Since the 90s the shit has evovled....or DEvolved...into some weird ass political belief that includes protecting and promoting homosexuals and trans, environmental activism, and protecting illegal immigrants.

Right The Democrats have become a mixed bag of progressives and moderates.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The LAST thing on a so-called White "Liberal's" agenda today is looking out for Black folks.

Right. The Liberals who care about social issues and Black folks are considered far-Left.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

It seems that the Democratic "big tent" is a little too damn big.
They need to tighten it up a bit and establish a core of key issues to focus on.

 

 

 

The Liberals who care about social issues and Black folks are considered far-Left.

 

...and on top of that, you really can't trust them anyway.

The Black politicians....if they don't sell you out...maybe.
But the White ones...

 

When it comes to White politicians involving themselves in the Black community and in Black organizations, I'm sure there are some who are sincere...but many of them act as DOUBLE AGENTS.
They PRETEND that they care but are really there just to monitor things and find out who the "trouble makers" are to report back to the racists on the other side.

 

This is one of the reasons the labor unions aren't as effective today as they used to be.
Many of the Whites in those unions can't be counted on to side with their fellow Black members during disputes and will actually empathize more with White folks in management.

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

When it comes to White politicians involving themselves in the Black community and in Black organizations, I'm sure there are some who are sincere...but many of them act as DOUBLE AGENTS.

Many of the Whites in those unions can't be counted on to side with their fellow Black members during disputes and will actually empathize more with White folks in management.

Brotha Malcolm X had it right when he said white folks have zero business being involved in Black organizations. Spies at best.

 

All white folks have managed to do infiltrating Black affairs is keep Black sellouts, bootlicks and shills satiated on butter biscuits.

[Pioneer1]

And even if the mean well....just their PRESENCE ALONE is a distraction.

I'm not sure if anything has changed but back in the day the Nation of Islam didn't allow White people in their meetings.
And I often wondered why because it wasn't like they were saying things so secretive and top secret that if a White person heard it it would ruin things.
Most of what they said in the temples could be read online on various websites today.

However it was explained that many of our people have been so conditioned to worship White folks, look to them, and seek their approval that just them BEING in the audience will be a distraction for a lot of our people.
The speaker can say something that's true and that you agree with...but you'll subconsciously and in some cases consciously glance over at the White person in the audience to see THEIR facial expression and see if THEY approve of it or not before you express your approval.

Many of our people won't even laugh unless they see a White man laugh first to know it's "ok" to do so.

I've seen this so many times it's not even funny.

Infact, when I was younger I used to PURPOSELY contradict a popular White opinion or position in a group just to show them that I wasn't going to follow their lead.
I've learned better now and go with what I think is best, but back in the day...I had a POINT to prove, lol.

Many of our people are conditioned to seek White folks approval and validation to the point that any organization that includes them will be influenced by them anyway whether or not they desire to do so intentionally.
 

[ProfD]

7 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many of our people are conditioned to seek White folks approval and validation...

That colder ice has been a *problem* for a long time.

[Troy]

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Many of our people are conditioned to seek White folks approval and validation to the point that any organization that includes them will be influenced by them anyway whether or not they desire to do so intentionally.

this is true, but another fact that you must consider is that this is also tied to monetary benefit. It’s not just the white man’s ice being colder is the white man’s ice can generate more wealth.

 

This is true because Black people tend to support white platforms, more than they support black platforms, so it has a fly wheel effect, the more we support them the more money they make. The less we support Black platforms, the more they struggle.

 

In the early days of this website, I often lamented the fact that many Black Writers would write for a white site for free but turn their nose up at a $50 payment from a Black site. Of course there’s much more “perceived” prestige of being published on say the old Huffington Post versus aalbc.com. 
 

There are black consultants who aggressively sell Black people on how to monetize the content that they freely provide to the wealthy social media platforms.  Think about that.

 

Imagine if the countries best and brightest high school students all fought vigorously to get into an HBCU as opposed to one of those north eastern majority white schools. 
 

I get customers who buy from me because they want to support a black business and do not want to support Amazon. I know this is true because they tell me.  Their dollars matter big time! I don’t care
 

It is not clear to me why some people understand this and others, most others, don’t. Maybe they don’t care….

 

 

[ProfD]

4 minutes ago, Troy said:

this is true, but another fact that you must consider is that this is also tied to monetary benefit. It’s not just the white man’s ice being colder is the white man’s ice can generate more wealth.

True.  Green is the color that ultimately triumphs everything. 

 

Usually any type of currency that enables people to have a *better* life will win.

 

4 minutes ago, Troy said:

It is not clear to me why some people understand this and others, most others, don’t. Maybe they don’t care….

There was a brief moment in time during the early 1970s where Black pride was a thing.  Integration has been a blessing and a curse.

[Pioneer1]

Troy

 

Speaking of which.....

Another tactic of "refined" Racists is infiltrating Black organizations....funding them...and using their positions to INFLUENCE the direction those organizations go and dictate what they will and will not speak out on.

 

The one who pays the Piper calls the tune.


 

 

ProfD

 

There was a brief moment in time during the early 1970s where Black pride was a thing.

 

At that time, I'm not sure if there was anywhere else on the planet where people were actually PROUD and LOVED to be Black besides in Black America.

I'm sure Africans loved themselves based on their respective cultures and religions, but I don't believe most of them were necessarily proud of their Black skin in and of itself.

 

People usually smile when I say it, however I'm extremely serious when I say if I had the opportunity to turn into or come back as any race on the planet....I'd choose to remain as or come back as BLACK.

 

And more specifically a BLACK AMERICAN MAN.

 

I'd choose it over and over and over and over and over again.

I can explain some of them, but there are some reasons that I can't even explain as to why I love being a Black man and wouldn't want to be any other race/sex.
 

Like Whitney Houston said in "So Emotional":  I don't know why.....I JUST DO
 

....lol

 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

At that time, I'm not sure if there was anywhere else on the planet where people were actually PROUD and LOVED to be Black besides in Black America.

It was beautiful thing. Soul brother #1 Mr. James Brown gave us a theme song too.

 

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

...if I had the opportunity to turn into or come back as any race on the planet....I'd choose to remain as or come back as BLACK.

 

And more specifically a BLACK AMERICAN MAN.

 

I'd choose it over and over and over and over and over again.

Same here. Every time.

 

I'm a very proud Black man specifically AfroAmerican almost to a fault.

 

Despite our differences, I'm always gonna ride for all Black people in the grand scheme of things.

 

That's also why I cannot subscribe to the belief that Black people are of low intelligence. 

 

Black people bring the flavor to everything we pursue.  Black folks are peaceful and loving d8mn near to our detriment.

 

The fact that Black men are afraid to put the barbarians in check is the only thing keeping the world from being a utopia for all of humanity.

 

I doubt that it will happen in my lifetime. Thankfully, I have an opiate in the form of music that allows me to hope for the best.

[ProfD]

I believe when the smoke clears and it is confirmed that white folks are protesting and burning Teslas, the domestic terrorism rhetoric will subside.

 

The culprits might be charged with arson and vandalism. They will be treated similar to Antifa and January 6th rioters.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Another thing I have to give Trump credit for is not only OPENLY getting back at his "enemies" but punishing his "White enemies".

We pretty much realize that it IS all (or mostly atleast White folks out here doing this shit.  
I haven't seen any Black or even Brown faces involved in the various Telsa burning incidents.
I don't think Trump and MAGA will be too easy on them if they deem them as "Leftists" and political enemies.
I can easily see Trump and his boys rounding up and locking up even WHITE folks if they rub him the wrong way or try to thwart his operation.

The smartest move we as FBA can make is to...like the Gaza and Ukraine situation....stay the FUCK OUT of it.
Look at it, and keep walking with a cup of coffee in your hand.

At work, one of the White dudes (a fake liberal) who openly and proudly proclaims how loyal he is to the Democrat party and is always talking about how Trump is destroying democracy asked me Monday about those Telsas being burned.
My response was,
"Say what?
Oh no....I hope nobody got hurt."

And kept on walking to my truck HOPING he didn't ask me shit about it again because I wouldn't want to have to straight up ignore his ass....but I will, lol.
 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The smartest move we as FBA can make is to...like the Gaza and Ukraine situation....stay the FUCK OUT of it.
Look at it, and keep walking with a cup of coffee in your hand.

Absolutely.

 

I always think about the wise words of the late Dick Gregory.

 

Black folks cannot do anything about these situations where white folks are going against each other for one reason or another. Stay out of it.

 

Because my filter is loose and I'm a natural clown, I get a laugh out of teling white folks these problems belong to them.

[Troy]

When did the people in the Gaza Strip become white?

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Troy said:

When did the people in the Gaza Strip become white?

Palestinians are Arabs. I don't believe anyone here classified them as white.

[Pioneer1]

As far as I'm concerned, it's a family affair.

 

Whether it's Russia vs Ukraine
Or Israel vs Palestine
Or pro-MAGA White folks vs anti-MAGA White folks

It's all in the family.

 

Even cops are warned that the WORSE type of situations to be called to are DOMESTIC situations because no matter how much they fight....when people are related to eachother and love eachother and some "outsider" steps and mistreats one....the other will quickly get ON CODE.
They'll stop fighting eachother and turn their attacks on YOU.

It's best for us to just STAY (not for a little while like Jodeci...lol) but OUT.
Stay OUT of their business.
 

[Troy]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

Palestinians are Arabs. I don't believe anyone here classified them as white.

OK, I’ll ask  the resident race arbiter what is  the so-called race are the majority of people who live in Gaza strip?

That last question was for @pioneer

[Pioneer1]

 

 

Troy

Honestly?
I'm not sure.

The most accurate answer is probably MIXED race.
They are a healthy mix of Caucasian and African...with each individual Palestinian inclining towards one or the other to various degrees; all under the umbrella of the "Arab" ethnicity.