Are We "Tribalistic" By Nature?

Pioneer1 · April 3

After watching a documentary about the Bloods and Crips gangs in Los Angeles and how they were founded and how they evolved, and the gang life among some AfroAmericans in various cities through out the United States in general....a few people actually described the different gangs and their sets (set = local subgroup of the much larger gang) as "tribes".

When I heard this, I thought of our brother @richardmurray and how he often describes the various socio-political groups within AfroAmerica as "tribes".

I've heard it said that Black people....not just in the United States but worldwide...are "tribal" by nature.
That we look for different ways to group up and form cliques with eachother for the purposes of separating and distinguishing ourselves from eachother....often times JUST BECAUSE.
Sometimes religion is used.
Sometimes skin tone is used.
Sometimes region and nationality is used.
Sometimes the side of the city you're from (Eastsiders vs Westsiders) is used.

And if you can't find a reason...MAKE UP one....like what color clothes you wear like the gangs in Los Angeles or what street/block you live on.

How true do you think this is?
Do you think was as AfroAmericans are actually "tribal" by nature or do you think this was instilled into our people by outside forces?

ProfD · April 3

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you think was as AfroAmericans are actually "tribal" by nature or do you think this was instilled into our people by outside forces?

IMO, humans are tribal by nature. In complex societies, people belong to more than one tribe.

Mel Hopkins · April 3

Ancestrally speaking, we are family first.

Throughout history, it seems as though Africans wouldn't marry their siblings unless absolutely necessary. From what I read, however, I don't think cousins, aunts, and uncles were off-limits.

Maybe our "tribes" are extended family members, and some family members by marriage.

For example, my second cousin is married to a woman whose uncle is Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York. So, through marriage, one of my family/tribe members just escaped federal indictment because one member has ties with Donald.

Maybe the primary reason tribes form from family members is protection.

frankster · April 3

Humans are not tribal by Nature....Humans are Social by Nature.

As Social Beings we forms groups to aid in mutual survival.

When these groupings are based on and in family and blood ties.....it becomes clanish and tribal.

Gangs on the otherhand are more focus on terretories.....mainingly geographic but it can also be financial

In that sense gangs are more political than familial grouping.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

After watching a documentary about the Bloods and Crips gangs in Los Angeles and how they were founded and how they evolved, and the gang life among some AfroAmericans in various cities through out the United States in general....a few people actually described the different gangs and their sets (set = local subgroup of the much larger gang) as "tribes".

I would not consider them tribes....language is living and usage give new and sometimes another meanings to words.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When I heard this, I thought of our brother @richardmurray and how he often describes the various socio-political groups within AfroAmerica as "tribes".

I've heard it said that Black people....not just in the United States but worldwide...are "tribal" by nature.
That we look for different ways to group up and form cliques with eachother for the purposes of separating and distinguishing ourselves from eachother....often times JUST BECAUSE.
Sometimes religion is used.
Sometimes skin tone is used.
Sometimes region and nationality is used.
Sometimes the side of the city you're from (Eastsiders vs Westsiders) is used.

And if you can't find a reason...MAKE UP one....like what color clothes you wear like the gangs in Los Angeles or what street/block you live on.

All of the above are political in origin and essence masqueradaing as social religious colorism and terretorialism.

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

How true do you think this is?
Do you think was as AfroAmericans are actually "tribal" by nature or do you think this was instilled into our people by outside forces?

No... we are not tribal by Nature

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

IMO, humans are tribal by nature.

I disagree

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

In complex societies, people belong to more than one tribe.

Yes from village to city to state to nation many tribes live togather as almost One

1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Ancestrally speaking, we are family first.

It is hard to say if it is family or clan....I think it is clan - often if you put family over clan you and your family will be ostracise or worst expelled.

1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Throughout history, it seems as though Africans wouldn't marry their siblings unless absolutely necessary.

True....except among the ruling class.

1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

From what I read, however, I don't think cousins, aunts, and uncles were off-limits.

True

1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

Maybe our "tribes" are extended family members, and some family members by marriage.

True.

1 hour ago, Mel Hopkins said:

For example, my second cousin is married to a woman whose uncle is Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York. So, through marriage, one of my family/tribe members just escaped federal indictment because one member has ties with Donald.

Maybe the primary reason tribes form from family members is protection.

In the situation given above your cousin is not a part of your family - but most definitely a part of your clan....but her uncle may not be a part of your clan - but can still be a part of your tribe.

ProfD · April 3

26 minutes ago, frankster said:

Humans are not tribal by Nature....Humans are Social by Nature.

As Social Beings we forms groups to aid in mutual survival.

When these groupings are based on and in family and blood ties.....it becomes clanish and tribal.

Correct. Humans are social creatures.

Rarely does a human being go through life in solitude. Most belong to a tribe(s).

Most tribes are formed the moment a man and woman decide to procreate and become a family.

Mel Hopkins · April 3

15 minutes ago, frankster said:

.Humans are Social by Nature.

If I were writing a dissertation, I would include your perspective on family and clan. While some people choose not to speak with family members as they age, it is absolutely a constant because it is necessary for survival.

However, I would not attempt to defend the "social" by nature claim. There are too many outliers of human displays of asocial and antisocial behavior including those who display it in early years.

Pioneer1 · April 4

ProfD

IMO, humans are tribal by nature. In complex societies, people belong to more than one tribe.

Ofcourse all population groups share some tribalist tendencies, however some seem to exhibit more than others.

To be clear, when I speak of Black folks being tribal, I mean "tribal" as in grouping up for malicious purposes simply to oppose another Black person.

Whether it's in a nation, a school, or on the job.

See other Black people and just form gangs and cliques so people can have your "back" as you go out attack another brother or sister.

Mel

Throughout history, it seems as though Africans wouldn't marry their siblings unless absolutely necessary. From what I read, however, I don't think cousins, aunts, and uncles were off-limits.

Most people of color BY NATURE won't marry or mate with their close relatives.
The only reason so many Africans do it today is because they learned it from and was told it was ok by outsiders like Europeans, Arabs, Persians, etc...who invaded and forced some of their jacked-up cave man values and culture on the indigenous populations.

Those afore mentioned peoples married and mated with close relatives for racist and financial reasons.
Being Caucasian living among people of color...they wanted to maintain the "purity" of their race and thought they could do so by mating with close family members instead of the people of color they had conquered.
The financial reasons consist of marrying close family members to keep their wealth in the family.
A lot of Askenazi Jews practice this.

Maybe our "tribes" are extended family members, and some family members by marriage.

For example, my second cousin is married to a woman whose uncle is Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York. So, through marriage, one of my family/tribe members just escaped federal indictment because one member has ties with Donald.

Speaking of Eric Adams, I just posted a thread about him running as an Independent....lol.

Mayor Eric Adams Making Chess Moves

frankster

Humans are not tribal by Nature....Humans are Social by Nature.

Yes humans in general are social, however I'm not talking about humans in general but Black people in specific and it seems as if we tend to be very divided and often times SEEK division and separation from eachother more so than most other groups.

Even when it comes to observing something as simple as eating a meal together.
I notice that Arabs, Asians, Latinos....the men...7 or 8 of them can pile up together and sit at ONE table eating, talking, and spiting over eachother having a GOOD time. No problem.
However you rarely see Black men of ANY nationality piling up that close to eachother to eat.

richardmurray · April 4

@Pioneer1 all humans are tribal by nature, the only question as you so well put it, is how are the lines drawn.

@ProfD exactly , and I argue from the time of the Royals who were crowned first along the nile river, human populaces have always been complex , where an individuals associations are not simple one to ones

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

Most tribes are formed the moment a man and woman decide to procreate and become a family.

you make a hell of a point, it is religious history but, adam and eve was a tribe of two , i think that is one of the points of the story, that that wife and man is a tribe of two first and foremost:)

@Mel Hopkins hahaha well done

9 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

For example, my second cousin is married to a woman whose uncle is Eric Adams, the Mayor of New York. So, through marriage, one of my family/tribe members just escaped federal indictment because one member has ties with Donald.

protection + procreation both played a historic role in clan membership, I think today some humans don't know or forget that the concept of universal equal rights, is not common and is relatively new in humanity. And is mandatory for individual rights to be expanded universally or to exist.

as for procreation or lust, i think what is most interesting is how what is at the federal level in the usa deemed child marriages or adult vioaltion to a child still occur in some states in the usa / or throughout india/ or many other places today, 2025. Aside that, what is legally or culturally deemed incest in the usa, is done so commonly in many places in humanity, including in the usa, in 2025. And of course, prostitution happens so commonly so many places.

Of the three I really think prostitution shouldn't be illegal anywhere anymore.

Thought shall not kill makes sense as a moral law, a rule, cause most humans don't kill. yes in wars armies kill a lot or weapons of war kill, but most human beings don't kill anyone else their entire life, so killing being immoral, against a rule based on human activity, makes sense, but not prostitution, that is way too common in my opinion.

ProfD · April 4

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

To be clear, when I speak of Black folks being tribal, I mean "tribal" as in grouping up for malicious purposes simply to oppose another Black person.

Whether it's in a nation, a school, or on the job.

Didn't realize you were referring to Black folks specifically.

Black folks don't have a monopoly on forming tribes for destructive purposes.

The mafia, gangs and cults, etc., are tribes formed by non-Black folks in opposition to members of their own race.

Biker gangs formed by white dudes beef and brawl when they cross paths with their rivals.

frankster · April 4

23 hours ago, ProfD said:

Correct. Humans are social creatures.

Rarely does a human being go through life in solitude. Most belong to a tribe(s).

Most tribes are formed the moment a man and woman decide to procreate and become a family.

Fair enough

23 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

If I were writing a dissertation, I would include your perspective on family and clan. While some people choose not to speak with family members as they age, it is absolutely a constant because it is necessary for survival.

However, I would not attempt to defend the "social" by nature claim. There are too many outliers of human displays of asocial and antisocial behavior including those who display it in early years.

True

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Humans are not tribal by Nature....Humans are Social by Nature.

Yes humans in general are social, however I'm not talking about humans in general but Black people in specific and it seems as if we tend to be very divided and often times SEEK division and separation from eachother more so than most other groups.

I question the circles you are in as this question is based solidly in a racist stereotyping of black Africans.

15 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Even when it comes to observing something as simple as eating a meal together.
I notice that Arabs, Asians, Latinos....the men...7 or 8 of them can pile up together and sit at ONE table eating, talking, and spiting over eachother having a GOOD time. No problem.
However you rarely see Black men of ANY nationality piling up that close to eachother to eat.

Any studies to back this up?

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Didn't realize you were referring to Black folks specifically.

Black folks don't have a monopoly on forming tribes for destructive purposes.

The mafia, gangs and cults, etc., are tribes formed by non-Black folks in opposition to members of their own race.

Biker gangs formed by white dudes beef and brawl when they cross paths with their rivals.

Thank you

Troy · April 4

On 4/3/2025 at 12:23 PM, ProfD said:

Rarely does a human being go through life in solitude. Most belong to a tribe(s).

I would go as far as say, never does a human being go through life in solitude. First a human can’t raise itself and I don’t care if they’re human builds a cabin and lives out the rest of his days in complete solitude.

There is something that person uses that required other human beings. Maybe it’s the hammer he’s using the clothes on his back….

We are all dependent on each other. Maybe one day we will have a global tribe that will probably be what it takes for humanity to deal with global pandemics, climate change. asteroids on a collision course with the planet, Elon Musk….

Pioneer1 · April 5

ProfD

Black folks don't have a monopoly on forming tribes for destructive purposes.

No, however when you study history you notice 2 glaring differences between how Black people form tribes and how White people form tribes.

1. Black people (whether in Africa or the Americas) tend to be MORE divided among eachother than White people.
Something well known that even the most pro-Black leaders through out history have to admit

2. In multi-racial societies where White people have to live with other groups:
While Black people often form tribes and attack OTHER Black people, White people often form tribes for the purpose of attacking other people of color and NOT their own.

*Note that I used the word "often" to prevent you and frankster from saying "White folks do it too" or "Not all Black folks do it" to justify dismissing the observation....lol.

frankster

I question the circles you are in as this question is based solidly in a racist stereotyping of black Africans.

I question what PLANET you live on where all the niggas are so united....certainly not this one, lol.

As I said, Africans are among the most divided people of the globe....literally.
There are more languages and ethnic groups among Black Africans than anywhere else on the planet.

I'm not sure but I've heard it said that there are actually more languages and ethnic groups among Black Africans than even the rest of humanity COMBINED.
...again, not sure how factual that is, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Most Africans I know, when they talk about their home countries will tell me about the HUNDREDS of ethnic groups and languages spoken there in that one nation alone!

Any studies to back this up?

Come on man you don't need a "study" to confirm this.
Go to any restaurant or coffee shop and tell me if you see any Black men piled up at the same table eating and talking over eachother.

If they're at the same table they may be talking and sipping on coffee or tea but certainly not hugged up next to eachother EATING unless there are some women among them.

I certainly don't do it...do you?

frankster · April 5

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

I question the circles you are in as this question is based solidly in a racist stereotyping of black Africans.

I question what PLANET you live on where all the niggas are so united....certainly not this one, lol.

Where did I say "n.g.as" are united?

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

As I said, Africans are among the most divided people of the globe....literally.

Being divided and tribalistic are two different things....really

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are more languages and ethnic groups among Black Africans than anywhere else on the planet.

I'm not sure but I've heard it said that there are actually more languages and ethnic groups among Black Africans than even the rest of humanity COMBINED.
...again, not sure how factual that is, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Yes.

The Continent of Africa as the birth placeof humanity has the most genetically diverse human population

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Most Africans I know, when they talk about their home countries will tell me about the HUNDREDS of ethnic groups and languages spoken there in that one nation alone!

Yes...

That diversity is a result of people accepting differences among themselves and remaining amicable towards each other

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Any studies to back this up?

Come on man you don't need a "study" to confirm this.

Yes....it would help?

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Go to any restaurant or coffee shop and tell me if you see any Black men piled up at the same table eating and talking over eachother.

I am not sure what you are refering to...... but I have seen black Africans eating together in huge numbers my whole life growing up...and still do today.

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

If they're at the same table they may be talking and sipping on coffee or tea but certainly not hugged up next to eachother EATING unless there are some women among them.

When Continental Africans greet each other it is customarily a hug while shifting heads over shoulders.....Black Americans used a dap turned fisted hand clasp one handed hug

"hugged up" not sure what you mean by that?

22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I certainly don't do it...do you?

Yes as a form of greeting...

Especially when it is some one i have not seen for some time.

ProfD · April 5

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

1. Black people (whether in Africa or the Americas) tend to be MORE divided among eachother than White people.

White folks are divided by ethnicity, language, culture, religion, etc.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

2. In multi-racial societies where White people have to live with other groups:
While Black people often form tribes and attack OTHER Black people, White people often form tribes for the purpose of attacking other people of color and NOT their own.

White folks aren't forming tribes to attack non-white folks in places where they are not the dominant society.

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

*Note that I used the word "often" to prevent you and frankster from saying "White folks do it too" or "Not all Black folks do it" to justify dismissing the observation....lol.

Your opinions are usually constructed in a binary way.

Pioneer1 · April 5

frankster

Being divided and tribalistic are two different things....really

Being divided and separate is a KEY COMPONENT of Tribalism.

That diversity is a result of people accepting differences among themselves and remaining amicable towards each other

Like I said....I question the PLANET you come from where this is the case.

Yes....it would help?

I don't know....you tell ME.
You're the one who asked for it.

I am not sure what you are referring to...... but I have seen black Africans eating together in huge numbers my whole life growing up...and still do today.

Have you seen a group of BLACK AFRICAN MEN (not Arabs..not women...not men and women together...strictly men) sitting crowded together at a table eating and talking together?

When Continental Africans greet each other it is customarily a hug while shifting heads over shoulders.....Black Americans used a dap turned fisted hand clasp one handed hug

"hugged up" not sure what you mean by that?

Many people spit and grab their dicks when they take a piss.
...so damn what?

We're not talking about that.

I was SPECIFIC in what I said.

I wasn't talking about how Africans or Eskimos greet eachother or any other scenario you want to bring up to cloud the issue.
I was talking strictly about how African men ALONE related to eachother over a meal.

When I say "hugged up" I mean very close and squeezed next to eachother while sitting at the table.

Yes as a form of greeting...

Especially when it is some one i have not seen for some time.

Man.......

Mel Hopkins · April 5

On 4/3/2025 at 8:15 PM, richardmurray said:

and is relatively new in humanity.

You might be surprised to learn that "universal equal rights" isn't a new concept. It was the way humans coexisted for nearly two million years. Men and women worked together, and there was a division of labor—and I don't mean women collected berries, and men hunted wild animals either—both did everything.

Egalitarianism was the way of the world before patriarchy took over nearly 17,000 years ago. When patriarchy showed up, so did slavery, subjugation, storage, stealing, murder, marrying children, etc... If you consider the mythos of a God impregnating Mary against her will - then you can see what led grown men to believe they had permission to take children (girls) as their property for procreation, and boys as their sex toys for pleasure. This is all courtesy of patriarchy.

Nubia, Ancient Egypt, had no such mythos. Remember, their belief was Ma'at, and their emphasis was on family, a consensual agreement of "Father, Mother, and Child." In fact, I haven't read any mythology of African gods taking advantage of humans unless it was a cautionary tale.

Note: The cult of Isis/Aset ended in the second century of the Common Era, and the first assembled Bible came around the 4th century of the Common Era. At the same time, Ethiopians opened their first Christian church. Note: Ethiopians under Makeda (Candace), Queen of Sheba, were Pagans who worshipped the moon and the stars, but Ethiopia was also the center of trade -(so do with that what you will).

Prostitution in patriarchy is a lot different than it was towards the end of the matrilineal/egalitarian society.

Prostitutes were Temple Priestesses during the Cult of Isis/Aset. The Goddess Isis/Aset had the world In a chokehold from Kemet(Ancient Egypt) to Rome to Greece, and Roman rulers made sure they demonized women, their menstrual cycle, which was their source of power and wisdom, and their affinity for using serpents in their Sacred Temple ceremonies.

We ended up with Eve and the serpent in the Pentateuch for Hebrews. We already know there was a kink in Adam and Eve's mythology because if not, their God wouldn't need to protect Cain from anyone outside their "tribe."

Pioneer1 · April 6

Mel

You know good and dog gone well that one half-sentence comment from richardmurray didn't warrant THAT long of a response...lol.
You were just showing off and showing out....lol.

I ain't mad at you though, I enjoyed reading the knowledge.

A good book that goes into further detail of much of what you said is called The Chalice And The Blade by Riane Eisler

Before Caucasians took over the world it WAS more egalitarian.
Actually....every 25,000 years it switches from Matriarchal to Patriarchal....but that's a different subject all together.

The patriarchal system was ushered in by the Caucasians because as a ruling class they had to maintain their "racial purity" and draw clear distinction between themselves and the people they conquered...which meant controlling their women and their women's sexuality.
It's hard to maintain a system of racist rulership when the women are free to go around the land having sex with the men of the races you just conquered.

Mel Hopkins · April 6

3 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

A good book that goes into further detail of much of what you said is called The Chalice And The Blade by Riane Eisler

Thank you!!!

Mel Hopkins · April 6

34 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

It's hard to maintain a system or racist rulership when the women are free to go around the land having sex with the men of the races you just conquered.

Yep! That is exactly what the Temple priestesses are reported to have done because they had other goals for civilization. Great point!

Also, I felt energized by his statement. His commentary allowed us to go deeper into the tribal question. As I answered the question, I realized how the Romans and Saxons pushed society into a tribal affiliation. Even today, with Donald and Elon's shenanigans, we are forced to "squabble up." So, while I believe we are family first, certain conditions may cause us to become tribal for war.

richardmurray · April 6

@Mel Hopkins thank you, I made the error i tell others not to make.

what i meant by "universal equal rights" is a system that provides for global protection for each individual in humanity alongside provisions for welfare. The ancient egalitarianism you speak I know of but the use of technology in negative ways plus the growing complexity of humanity , what i will call the patriarchy, warrants said system to reach an egalitarianism that can exist alongside the modern and future greed. It isn't the only way , but is one way.

yes, christianity as an engineered religion based on a jewish movement has many emphasis that are not from the commonly called ancient world.

@Pioneer1 haha:)

Pioneer1 · April 6

Mel

Yep! That is exactly what the Temple priestesses are reported to have done because they had other goals for civilization. Great point!

The ancients knew the power of sex (as well as blood and semen) and employed certain sex rituals to access certain spiritual and political power over society and help maintain stability.

You mentioned the temple prostitutes of Egypt earlier.
It has been said that the Kemetic King (I don't call them pharaohs) Khufu actually promoted his own DAUGHTER as a prostitute to raise money to build the Great Pyramid of Giza.
And it wasn't considered evil or scandalous at the time but a great honor that a woman would be so desired and so many men would spend so much money on her it generated enough to build one of the Wonders of the world.
That must have been some baaaaad coochie...lol.

But anyway.....

It hadn't escaped my observation that when we go from mostly vegetarian Matriarchal/Egalitarian civilization where sex and sexuality was promoted and encouraged....to a Patriarchal one where sex was condemned as a "necessary evil".....that all of a sudden murder and violence is now promoted as "divine".

It follows a pattern that Caucasians leave where ever they go.

Thanx for the Tutsi video btw....
I work with some Rwandans who are actually Tutsis
((they told me but Rwandans really are not supposed to tell anyone their tribe))
I might show them this video...lol.

richardmurray

The ancient egalitarianism you speak I know of but the use of technology in negative ways plus the growing complexity of humanity , what i will call the patriarchy, warrants said system to reach an egalitarianism that can exist alongside the modern and future greed. It isn't the only way , but is one way.

I might have mentioned this to ProfD a few days ago but we were talking about Scandanavian countries and he mentioned how peaceful and progressive they were as compared to the United States and how they don't spend so much money on their militaries.

My point was they can live in that type of peace because the United States is protecting them, however another interesting thing about those Scandinavian nations like Sweden and Finland is that they are MORE egalitarian than the United States.
Women have far more power and independence there than they do in other parts of the Western world.

I believe the reasons is....even Caucasians know and understand that an egalitarian society where women share the power is inherently BETTER in the long run...and they preserve those societies as ideal.
However Sweden and Finland and Norway are very homogeneous and the vast majority of it's citizens are White and so they don't mind allowing their women equal power as long as they know that there are no people (especially men) of color around to pull them away.
As Sweden and Denmark begin to bring in more immigrants from the Middle East and Africa....it's going to become more Conservative and the sexism and traditionalism will increase as White men seek more control over their women to keep them from African and Arab men.

ProfD · April 7

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As Sweden and Denmark begin to bring in more immigrants from the Middle East and Africa....it's going to become more Conservative and the sexism and traditionalism will increase as White men seek more control over their women to keep them from African and Arab men.

I bet most of the Scandinavian women are on code and uninterested in men of color.

For good measure, I'd imagine there's a cap on the number of immigrants they will allow into Scandinavian countries too.

Scandanavians can't afford to have too many non-white folks taking advantage of their socialism....goodies, guarantees and giveaways.

Pioneer1 · April 7

ProfD

Keeping up with what's going on in Sweden hasn't been my biggest priority....lol...however from what I've heard over the years they along with Finland and Denmark have been receiving a HUGE influx of Arab refugees from Syria since the major conflict started overthere over a decade ago.

And they've been having problems with these refugees not just because they're Arab but because of their masculine and often sexist and sometimes offensive traditions...there's been a lot of culture clashes.

I've also heard that Somalis have been coming into Sweden for nearly 2 decades now.

But expect for the liberal and generous social services to be scaled back now that more people of color have arrived.

ProfD · April 7

19 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Finland and Denmark have been receiving a HUGE influx of Arab refugees from Syria since the major conflict started overthere over a decade ago.

And they've been having problems with these refugees not just because they're Arab but because of their masculine and often sexist and sometimes offensive traditions...

I've also heard that Somalis have been coming into Sweden for nearly 2 decades now.

But expect for the liberal and generous social services to be scaled back now that more people of color have arrived.

Right. I doubt the most homogeneous in those countries will allow themselves to be overrun by the *guests*...men in sandals.

frankster · April 7

On 4/5/2025 at 11:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Being divided and tribalistic are two different things....really

Being divided and separate is a KEY COMPONENT of Tribalism.

Being Tribalistic means sticking with and to ones people......everybody else is not your people

Tribalism is a form of loyalty and cohesion to owns people at the expense of all other peoples.

On 4/5/2025 at 11:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

That diversity is a result of people accepting differences among themselves and remaining amicable towards each other

Like I said....I question the PLANET you come from where this is the case.

This is the case in Africa

On 4/5/2025 at 11:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Yes....it would help?

I don't know....you tell ME.
You're the one who asked for it.

I do not know you are the one espousing concepts that is rooted in racist ideology and not facts.

On 4/5/2025 at 11:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

I am not sure what you are referring to...... but I have seen black Africans eating together in huge numbers my whole life growing up...and still do today.

Have you seen a group of BLACK AFRICAN MEN (not Arabs..not women...not men and women together...strictly men) sitting crowded together at a table eating and talking together?

Yes....I have seen black men doing this throught out my life

On 4/5/2025 at 11:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

When Continental Africans greet each other it is customarily a hug while shifting heads over shoulders.....Black Americans used a dap turned fisted hand clasp one handed hug

"hugged up" not sure what you mean by that?

Many people spit and grab their dicks when they take a piss.
...so damn what?

We're not talking about that.

I was SPECIFIC in what I said.

I wasn't talking about how Africans or Eskimos greet eachother or any other scenario you want to bring up to cloud the issue.
I was talking strictly about how African men ALONE related to eachother over a meal.

When I say "hugged up" I mean very close and squeezed next to eachother while sitting at the table.

Yes I have seen it

On 4/5/2025 at 11:59 AM, Pioneer1 said:

Yes as a form of greeting...

Especially when it is some one i have not seen for some time.

Man.......

What are you trying to say???

Troy · April 7

On 4/5/2025 at 9:10 AM, frankster said:

I am not sure what you are refering to...... but I have seen black Africans eating together in huge numbers my whole life growing up...and still do today.

@Pioneer1 you can see this is in all over in places like the NYC, DMV and ATL. That is one of the things I find most appealing about these areas.

On 4/5/2025 at 7:49 PM, Mel Hopkins said:

then you can see what led grown men to believe they had permission to take children (girls) as their property for procreation, and boys as their sex toys for pleasure. This is all courtesy of patriarchy.

I'm not trying to advocate for patriarchy (or matriarchy), but this statement seems hyperbolic it is certainly counterintuitive. For example, I think pedophiles are born the mental disorder is completely independent of the gender of the people in control.

14 hours ago, ProfD said:

For good measure, I'd imagine there's a cap on the number of immigrants they will allow into Scandinavian countries too.

I'm sure Brothers and Sisters are not fighting to get into that country.

ProfD · April 7

2 hours ago, Troy said:

I'm sure Brothers and Sisters are not fighting to get into that country.

Right. I doubt the people or weather makes it a popular destination for Black folks.

Here in the US, if we want that Scandinavian or Nordic flavor, we can travel to Montana or the Dakotas.

Mel Hopkins · April 7

2 hours ago, Troy said:

but this statement seems hyperbolic it is certainly counterintuitive. For example, I think pedophiles are born the mental disorder is completely independent of the gender of the people in control.

Gender is a function of patriarchy; therefore, to include it in your counterargument proves that I'm not exaggerating. You clearly don't realize how deeply patriarchal programming has you in its grip. While you may intuitively believe "Gender" equals "Sex," those descriptions are not interchangeable.

And here's why.

XX or XY indicates the child's sex is biologically male or female. Our civilization doesn't assign a societal role, function, or expectation due to the sex of the offspring. However, it will when gender is assigned.

Also, your statement would support my claim since many of those "pedophiles" are found in the church. This isn't an exaggerated claim, either. We have countless reports of church leaders or those who consume religious texts either raping children or excusing and covering up the behavior of those who do.

Whatever way you dissect my argument - the religious text remains the culprit for either the mental disorder to have sexual intercourse with children or the belief that, as a man, they have the same rights as the God they follow.

Pioneer1 · April 7

frankster

Being Tribalistic means sticking with and to ones people......everybody else is not your people

Tribalism is a form of loyalty and cohesion to owns people at the expense of all other peoples.

I was with you right up until you said "at the expense of all other people"...lol.

I don't think being tribal means you have to unite only with your own people at the expense of socializing and sharing certain benefits with others.

This is the case in Africa

Man, you know GOOD and dog gone well there is ethnic and religious fighting going on in all regions of Africa.
North to South
East to West

Why would you sit up there and type something like that?

I do not know you are the one espousing concepts that is rooted in racist ideology and not facts.

Whatever what I'm saying is "rooted" in...it's absolute fact.

If it's not fact, name me ONE thing in this discussion I lied about.
And make sure you're able to PROVE that it's a lie and not simply something you "disagree" with or "don't like" to hear.

Just one.
A PROVEN lie.

(And I'm asking frankster...Troy....so don't jump in talking about how "race" is a lie and a made-up construct....lol.)

Yes....I have seen black men doing this throught out my life

Well I haven't.
And I'm from the Blackest major city in the United States.

What are you trying to say???

I'm not TRYING to say anything.
I'm TELLING you what I've observed and what I haven't...yet.

Troy

@Pioneer1 you can see this is in all over in places like the NYC, DMV and ATL. That is one of the things I find most appealing about these areas.

I've seen Black Americans AND Africans sit crowded to a table eating and talking together.
However there was always men AND WOMEN mixed in with them.

Again, I haven't seen a group of Black men (American OR African)...no women.....packed up to a table eating and talking over eachother like I've seen among Arabs and Indians.

I'm sure Brothers and Sisters are not fighting to get into that country.

As racist as many of them are against other Black folks, I'm not sure if you'd consider them our brothers or sisters....but Sweden has a sizable Somali refugee population.

ProfD · April 8

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

...but Sweden has a sizable Somali refugee population.

Somali refugees won't be seizing power there. They will get in wherever there's a fit and do whatever it takes to avoid being uninvited.

frankster · April 8

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Being Tribalistic means sticking with and to ones people......everybody else is not your people

Tribalism is a form of loyalty and cohesion to owns people at the expense of all other peoples.

I was with you right up until you said "at the expense of all other people"...lol.

I don't think being tribal means you have to unite only with your own people at the expense of socializing and sharing certain benefits with others.

Yes that is what I know tribalistic and tribalism to mean....fierce loyalty to tribe

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is the case in Africa

Man, you know GOOD and dog gone well there is ethnic and religious fighting going on in all regions of Africa.
North to South
East to West

Why would you sit up there and type something like that?

Yet for the most part all ethnic groups retain their language and customs...

Lets take England for instance The Welsh Scots and Irish are all losing their language and culture to the Anglo-saxons....

Because the English demands that their culture be relegated....not so much so in Africa

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I do not know you are the one espousing concepts that is rooted in racist ideology and not facts.

Whatever what I'm saying is "rooted" in...it's absolute fact.

If it's not fact, name me ONE thing in this discussion I lied about.
And make sure you're able to PROVE that it's a lie and not simply something you "disagree" with or "don't like" to hear.

Just one.
A PROVEN lie.

(And I'm asking frankster...Troy....so don't jump in talking about how "race" is a lie and a made-up construct....lol.)

"Whatever what I'm saying is "rooted" in...it's absolute fact"....

Thats a lie so far - as I have ask you for studies that backs up your assertions and you have not provided any...

It is an ancedotal observation at most and could verywell be a downright lie.

Now to be clear I did not say you were a liar....just that your questions and statements seems to be coming from the racist playbook

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well I haven't.
And I'm from the Blackest major city in the United States.

You just did....

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What are you trying to say???

I'm not TRYING to say anything.
I'm TELLING you what I've observed and what I haven't...yet.

An Observation is not the same as a fact

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Troy · April 9

On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, Mel Hopkins said:

While you may intuitively believe "Gender" equals "Sex," those descriptions are not interchangeable.

I do not believe that nor did I write it. It is unclear how you drew that conclusion.

On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, Mel Hopkins said:

Also, your statement would support my claim since many of those "pedophiles" are found in the church.

It is unclear how my claim that pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder support your statement.. I don’t think it does.

The fact that pedophiles are in churches is based upon the fact that Pedophiles go where they can find victims so whether is coaching girls gymnastics or being a Boy Scout leader it is a matter of easy access to victims, not a function of patriarchy.

Our patriarchy is incidental not the determining factor.

On 4/7/2025 at 3:04 PM, Mel Hopkins said:

Whatever way you dissect my argument - the religious text remains the culprit for either the mental disorder to have sexual intercourse with children or the belief that, as a man, they have the same rights as the God they follow.

I’m not sure I follow your argument here, because I’m certainly not defending any religion for violating children or any system that would do the same.

Again, all I’m saying is that pedophilia is not a function of our cultural constructs. You obviously disagree by attributing it to patriarchy. Here we clearly disagree.

Pedophilia when acted upon is widely recognized as one of the most heinous crimes one can perpetrate on another individual. It is so reviled in our culture that even hardened criminals exact punishment on these individuals in prison — in a patriarchal system.

Mel Hopkins · April 9

37 minutes ago, Troy said:

I do not believe that nor did I write it. It is unclear how you drew that conclusion.

You wrote "Gender," which is the social construction of patriarchy. Either you're deliberately being obtuse, or, as I said, you are deep in the grips of patriarchy, evident by your use of its language.

Mel Hopkins · April 9

2 hours ago, Troy said:

It is unclear how my claim that pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder support your statement.. I don’t think it does

2 hours ago, Troy said:

I’m not sure I follow your argument here,

Again, all I’m saying is that pedophilia is not a function of our cultural constructs. You obviously disagree by attributing it to patriarchy. Here we clearly disagree.

Pedophilia when acted upon is widely recognized as one of the most heinous crimes one can perpetrate on another individual. It is so reviled in our culture that even hardened criminals exact punishment on these individuals in prison — in a patriarchal system.

Every time you stated you didn't understand my statement, I've put it in bold.

This is fascinating. I've never found you to be a person with low comprehension. In fact, you are brilliant. Because I think so highly of your cognitive skills and abilities, I gave your response a second look. I quickly realized you really don't understand me. Yet, as evidenced in your last sentence, you provided proof that you are versed in the tenets of the patriarchal system, one of which is PUNISHMENT.

Still, it appears pedophilia is your blind spot. Nearly 90% of pedophiles are MEN... and while you may not believe that social constructs cause mental disorders - I'll share an example of how it does using race. "Race," another social construct, although psychiatrists refuse to list racism as a mental/psychiatric disorder, causes non-Black people to slaughter, eat, burn, ostracize, and, in the past, enslave people who are Black.

Using socially constructed language, and more specifically, language found in the Patriarchy Handbook, aka The Bible (see video), causes these disorders. While I'm no PhD, Leonard Shlain is, and he wrote the book "The Alphabet and the Goddess" to show how these mental disorders begin. Another doctor, this time an MD, M.Scott Peck, outlines how religion causes mental disorders in his book "The People of The Lie." I realize I've been on a patriarchy-deprogramming path for quite some time - I rarely speak "patriarchy." Still, I shouldn't expect others to have done the same.

By the way, I'm currently reading The Cultural Unity of Black Africa: The Domains of patriarchy and of Matriarchy in Classical Antiquityby Diop, Cheikh Anta, and your comments helped me understand his thesis targeting socially constructed "language" and behavior.

frankster · April 10

While I accept that pedophilia is wrong....I have questions

Below what age does it become Pedophilia?

What if they are both below the age...is it still pedophilia?

What if they are maried?

Does the sex of the individuals matter?

Many cultures past and present allow pedophilia as legal and moral....so long as the parents consent.

Troy · April 10

15 minutes ago, frankster said:

What if they are both below the age...is it still pedophilia?

No.

15 minutes ago, frankster said:

What if they are maried?

You mean like Jerry Lee Lewis and hey and R. Kelly probably.

18 minutes ago, frankster said:

so long as the parents consent.

Any parent that gives an adult permission to marry, or have sex with their toddler should be crucified. Now if we’re talking about a 15 or 16 year-old I would not call for crucifixion, but I don’t think it’s a good idea. It is arguably debatable..

8 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

I've never found you to be a person with low comprehension. In fact, you are brilliant.

The feeling is mutual, but I don’t have an expectation of agreeing with anyone on everything smart people can certainly disagree. Indeed there would be no progress if we all did

Give me a second to watch the video you shared and I’ll come further to be clear. You are indeed saying that pedophilia is a direct consequence of a patriarchal society is that correct?

ProfD · April 10

1 hour ago, frankster said:

....I have questions

Below what age does it become Pedophilia?

Pedophilia is a mental disorder where adults and older adolescents are s8xually attracted to children 13 years old or younger.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

What if they are both below the age...is it still pedophilia?

Neither is an adult or adolescent if they are 13 years old or younger.

1 hour ago, frankster said:

Many cultures past and present allow pedophilia as legal and moral....so long as the parents consent.

Very few developed countries allow pedophilia in modern times.

Any parent who allowed or allows an adult man to take their prepubescent children as s8x toys should be executed along with the mentally impaired man who desires a child.

There's never been a shortage of consenting folks of legal age to make their own decisions.

It is wrong to violate a child who cannot legally give consent or anyone else who doesn't give consent.

Pedophiles and other rapists should be punished by death immediately.

umbrarchist · April 10

IBM was a tribe. Some people got way more emotionally fixated on it than others.

A friend of mine called me a High Plains Drifter. My attitude toward Imperial Benevolent Malevolence was, "Drop the Cash and I fix Your Trash".

Company loyalty is Unprofessional.

Professional means: do it for the money.

.

Mel Hopkins · April 10

13 hours ago, Troy said:

don’t have an expectation of agreeing with anyone on everything smart people can certainly disagree

LOL! True. As long as there is agreement on the argument!

So, in answer to your question, my argument is:

Patriarchy is a social construct that is further weaponized by socially constructed language. It is the language and writing of patriarchy that distorts thinking and causes mental disorders like racism, rape, pedophilia, serial killing, and other pathologies, such as human trafficking and even female infanticide, that occur in patriarchal societies.

Critical Overview of Patriarchy, Its Interferences With Psychological Development, and Risks for Mental Health (2023)

On 4/6/2025 at 10:55 AM, Pioneer1 said:

temple prostitutes

Priestess - THEY WERE Temple PRIESTESS! but if true, you do realize why the men were interested, right? Patriarchy got its start when humans began to accumulate wealth, cattle, land, etc (they no longer trusted that their GOD would provide their daily bread, so they began to hoard for a rainy day. This is why today we say someone with loads of cash is "blessed," which is the more socially constructed language of the patriarchy.)

ANY, it wasn't so much the coochie LOL. It was WHAT the Coochie would bear ...a ROYAL HEIR,! So, it was a twofer, "the church building fund" and longevity of this particular Kemetic Dynasty...remember, it was the woman who gave birth to royals.

Pioneer1 · April 11

frankster

Yet for the most part all ethnic groups retain their language and customs...

Lets take England for instance The Welsh Scots and Irish are all losing their language and culture to the Anglo-saxons....

Because the English demands that their culture be relegated....not so much so in Africa

I'm not sure how much you said was true, however what does ANY of it have to do with the fact that there is fighting based on ETHNICITY going on around the continent of Africa when YOU claimed that they were living together peacefully and amicably?

"Whatever what I'm saying is "rooted" in...it's absolute fact"....

Thats a lie so far - as I have ask you for studies that backs up your assertions and you have not provided any...

So because I didn't provide a "study" or post a link to it...does that mean it's not true?
All it means is just that...I didn't post a link or provide evidence or proof to YOUR satisfaction.

Whether a source is sited or not has no bearing on whether a statement is TRUE or not.

Now to be clear I did not say you were a liar....just that your questions and statements seems to be coming from the racist playbook

Well I don't have and haven't been privy to SEE a "racist playbook" so I'm not sure what you're talking about, lol.

Maybe you've snuck a quick peek into one.

You just did....

I just did....what????

An Observation is not the same as a fact

If I indeed observed it...it's a fact TO ME.

Mel

Nearly 90% of pedophiles are MEN.

I seriously question that one, lol.

I'd agree that MOST pedophiles are men...but I'm not sure if I'd go with the 90% part.
Reason being is because where I grew up a lot of UNDER AGED boys were getting their jimmys "shined" by grown women.
They didn't see it as a crime or sexual assault..they WELCOMED it.

And because of this, law enforcement generally wasn't called into the situation so no record of the crime was officially made.

Infact, the ONLY time law enforcement was called is if one of the boys' MOTHERS knew what was happening and called them on the woman doing it.

...other than that, most adolescent boys typically welcome that type of contact from adult women.

But still...legally speaking...aren't those women pedophiles?

but if true, you do realize why the men were interested, right?

Sex ofcourse.

And because it was frequent, the priestess' were probably GOOD at it, lol.

ANY, it wasn't so much the coochie LOL. It was WHAT the Coochie would bear ...a ROYAL HEIR,! So, it was a twofer, "the church building fund" and longevity of this particular Kemetic Dynasty...remember, it was the woman who gave birth to royals.

Almost all African (meaning sub-Saharan) societies...whether they are Patriarchal or Egalitarian...were and are MATRILINEAL meaning the family line is traced through the mother (Mel I know YOU know this but I define it for those who don't).

Which makes sense.
Like the old saying goes: Mama's baby, Papa's....maybe?

You KNOW who the mother is because she's the one having the child.
But with so many men around who may have had access to her, there's no telling WHO the actual father is.

So the smartest and surest way TO ensure proper and accurate lineage is to trace it through the mother.

Jews...even the White Ashkenazim as European and patriarchal as they are....still wisely trace their lineage back through the mother and not the father.

Troy · April 11

22 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

It is the language and writing of patriarchy that distorts thinking and causes mental disorders like racism, rape, pedophilia, serial killing, and other pathologies, such as human trafficking and even female infanticide, that occur in patriarchal societies.

OK, here too I disagree. I would not group pedophilia with racism. I don’t think racism is in the DSM as a mental disorder nor is rape.

I could argue that rape is impacted by the culture and therefore patriarchy, same with female genital mutilation, infanticide, sexism, etc — but not pedophilia.

I did not read the article that you shared thoroughly. I am on my cell phone, so I don’t know how to search text in an article but I did not see pedophilia mentioned. Was it even mentioned?

I agree with @Pioneer1 on that percentage being distorted for exactly the same reason he mentioned. I know our impressions are anecdotal, but I was still question the 90% figure. I assume you pulled it from a reputable source. Maybe that source recognizes the under reporting of adult female male child pedophilia events

frankster · April 11

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

frankster

Yet for the most part all ethnic groups retain their language and customs...

Lets take England for instance The Welsh Scots and Irish are all losing their language and culture to the Anglo-saxons....

Because the English demands that their culture be relegated....not so much so in Africa

I'm not sure how much you said was true, however what does ANY of it have to do with the fact that there is fighting based on ETHNICITY going on around the continent of Africa when YOU claimed that they were living together peacefully and amicably?

The difference is Tolerance....

Africans Tolerate Differences and Preserve Variety.

Yes...There is Ethnic war on the continent......most can be traced back to European Interventionist Policies.

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

"Whatever what I'm saying is "rooted" in...it's absolute fact"....

Thats a lie so far - as I have ask you for studies that backs up your assertions and you have not provided any...

So because I didn't provide a "study" or post a link to it...does that mean it's not true?
All it means is just that...I didn't post a link or provide evidence or proof to YOUR satisfaction.

Whether a source is sited or not has no bearing on whether a statement is TRUE or not.

Yes...until proven

Your assertations remains unproven as a fact

It is an anecdotal and personal observation....which mEANS it could be an isolated incident and or bias interpretation of the observation

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now to be clear I did not say you were a liar....just that your questions and statements seems to be coming from the racist playbook

Well I don't have and haven't been privy to SEE a "racist playbook" so I'm not sure what you're talking about, lol.

Maybe you've snuck a quick peek into one.

We are living out the Racist Play book ....called government social policy or Fighting crime - school to prison pipeline and mass incarceration

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

You just did....

I just did....what????

Lied>>>>

"Whatever what I'm saying is "rooted" in...it's absolute fact.

If it's not fact, name me ONE thing in this discussion I lied about."

20 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

An Observation is not the same as a fact

If I indeed observed it...it's a fact TO ME.

No...you have an opinion on what you observed.

You do not have enough information to generalize or state that your observation is a fact

Mel Hopkins · April 11

@Troy @Pioneer1 Your feelings about the 90% of pedophiles being men don't change the fact that 90% of CONVICTED pedophiles are men. You two are very funny
But if you have a problem with the percentage, you should contact the United States Sentencing Commission, the United States Department of Justice, and the Office of Justice Programs; those offices keep the records.

As for your hearsay about women being pedophiles, this could be true, but again, where are your FACTS? How many have been convicted and incarcerated? I know of one that made headlines, but I'm not making the claim. I mean, if you do the math, that 90% of pedophiles are men, that is more than the majority of offenders.

Troy, As for your disagreement about adding Rape and Racism to the list of diagnosed disorders - it's irrelevant to the argument since the syllogism I constructed was about patriarchal socially constructed language causing mental disorders like pedophilia.

- I provided two well-researched books from reputable medical doctors (I thought Leonard Shlain was a PhD, but he's an MD, too) that indicate why Racism and Rape are mental disorders related to the socially constructed language of patriarchy. So that's where I'm building my argument.

Your disagreement is noted, but it isn't a defense to weaken my argument. Saying it's not on the DSM list isn't enough either since the committee expands that list every time they meet.

It's just a matter of time before the psychiatric committee will add both those mental disorders to the list. But for now, it's a white man's world, so I wouldn't hold my breath. Trump Derangement Syndrome has a better chance of becoming law than rape and racism as a mental disorder.

22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Sex ofcourse.

And because it was frequent, the priestess' were probably GOOD at it, lol.

And information. Temple priestess imparted wisdom as well.

ProfD · April 12

Even if rape and pedophilia are considered mental disorders, if I was in charge, perpetrators would be put to death immediately.

Sista @Mel Hopkins, welcome back to the building. Enjoying your perspective.

Troy · April 12

4 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

As for your hearsay about women being pedophiles, this could be true, but again, where are your FACTS?

Mel I said nothing about facts. I made it perfectly clear that my knowledge of female perpetrators of pedophilia is anecdotal.

All I’m saying is that the experiences that I have and apparently the ones @Pioneer1 one about were not reported. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to question the data that has been published as it relates to reality.

I don’t think anyone thinks the stat is a perfect representation of everything that is happened in the realm of pedophilia, but it is better than an anecdote which I freely admit my experience is.

4 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

if you do the math, that 90% of pedophiles are men, that is more than the majority of offenders.

Again, incarceration rates are a function of what’s reported. Black men are disproportionately incarcerated relative to their percentage of the population. Do you truly believe that the crimes black men commit are factually representative of their percentages in prison?

We can count the number of men and women convicted of pedophilia those data are a facts. However what is also a fact is that we simply don’t know how many pedophilia crimes are committed.

But this is really besides the point of our disagreement. I feel that pedophilia is primarily a mental disorder. You think it’s a function of racism so we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Pioneer1 · April 12

Troy

but I was still question the 90% figure. I assume you pulled it from a reputable source

"90 %" seems a little too "rounded" to be an accurate figure anyway...lol.

87% or even 91% would be more believable if it were anywhere close to that.

frankster

The difference is Tolerance....

Africans Tolerate Differences and Preserve Variety.

-Does that look and sound like "tolerance" of differences, to you?

Yes...until proven

Your assertations remains unproven as a fact

It is an anecdotal and personal observation....which mEANS it could be an isolated incident and or bias interpretation of the observation

Don't confuse TRUTH with PROOF.

I didn't ask you if providing a study or link was necessary for it to be PROVEN; I asked you is a link or study necessary for it to be TRUE.

There's a difference between something being TRUE and it being PROVEN.

Truth stands alone.
Proof...depends on the satisfaction of the one you're trying to convince.

For example.....

I was born in the United States.
That's TRUE.
Now to PROVE it to YOU and CONVINCE you of this being true....requires more effort.

But the TRUTH of my being born here remains, whether you believe it or not.

Ya dig?

Lied>>>>

Explain to me how I "lied"???
What lie did I just tell??

No...you have an opinion on what you observed.

You do not have enough information to generalize or state that your observation is a fact

No, sir.

What I actually observed was a FACT.
Even if I'm the only one who knows it....it's still a fact.

Now the CONCLUSION that I could draw from that observation may be an opinion but unless I was drunk or high, that observation remains a fact.

Let me make both of my points in one illustration:

If I see a man and woman walking down the block, it's a FACT that I saw them.

It may not be a fact to YOU because YOU didn't witness it, but it's a fact to ME.

The only way I can make it a fact to YOU is to PROVE it to you that they were doing it.
Once I show you cell phone video of it and you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE it...then it's proven and a fact to you.
But because I saw it...it's a fact to ME regardless of what you or anybody else thinks.

Now....

That observation of seeing them was an actual FACT.
The CONCLUSION of who they were, how they relate to eachother, why they were together...one can speculate all day.
That's where the opinions and errors start.
But the FACT that they were walking together...for whatever reason...remains.

Estas Comprendes Ahora?

Mel Hopkins

You two are very funny

WE might be funny, but YOU ain't....with that bad ass Avatar picture you just switched to...lol.

The woman looks like she's staring right at ME.

As for your hearsay about women being pedophiles, this could be true, but again, where are your FACTS? How many have been convicted and incarcerated?

As Troy mentioned, just because the sexual crimes of women aren't reported more....doesn't mean they aren't happening.
It means that society (citizens, law enforcement, prosecutors) simply choose to go after the men more aggressively for sexual and other crimes.
It also means that males and society in general often TOLERATE and RE-INTEPRET sexual contact from women differently than sexual contact from men.

You talk about a PATRIARCHY....
But what do you call a society that not only PROSECUTES males more for sexual crimes but also SHAMES males into not reporting being sexually victimized?

And information. Temple priestess imparted wisdom as well.

Yes.
Not just in Kemet but all over the ancient world.

I Kena'an (Canaan) before the Israelites invaded, they had temples where both males AND females would come in and have sex with the clergy (for lack of a better term) as well as other members of the community and use that as part of the Divination processes to gain access to Spiritual Realms and seek answers.

Many wealthy and powerful people STILL engage in these practices today at these "freak" parties.

Those who crafted many of these so-called "Abrahamic Religions" knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they instilled certain dogma and rituals and banned and condemned others.

They knew people had REAL power and were getting REAL information that actually helped them in their lives; so their aim was to prohibit THOSE practices and give the people a set of useless rituals with NO power in it so that you'd have to rely on THEIR system for your sustenance.

ProfD

Sista @Mel Hopkins, welcome back to the building. Enjoying your perspective.

I'm enjoying her new Avatar with that woman staring at....somebody...in an alluring way....lol.

Even "Mr. Home Alone" Senator CORY BOOKER would be trying to cuff that up...lol.

Imagine if Cory Booker was at an event and a sista was over at another table staring at him with her eyes like THAT.
He'd be out the door looking for the nearest ZALES and trying to guess her ring size...lol.

ProfD · April 12

11 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

but I was still question the 90% figure. I assume you pulled it from a reputable source

"90 %" seems a little too "rounded" to be an accurate figure anyway...lol.

87% or even 91% would be more believable if it were anywhere close to that.

I think you all are hung up on a detail and missing the overall point. Regardless of reporting, a very high percentage of men engage in pedophilia than women.

13 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

Even "Mr. Home Alone" Senator CORY BOOKER would be trying to cuff that up...lol.

Imagine if Cory Booker was at an event and a sista was over at another table staring at him with her eyes like THAT.
He'd be out the door looking for the nearest ZALES and trying to guess her ring size...lol.

Nope. That dude isn't a bit more interested in snatch box than RuPaul, Lil Nas X and Big Frieda, etc.. They think it stinks and run away yelling yuck.

Pioneer1 · April 12

14 minutes ago, ProfD said:

I think you all are hung up on a detail and missing the overall point. Regardless of reporting, a very high percentage of men engage in pedophilia than women.

I don't think anybody in this particular discussion is arguing that.
I'm not and I don't think Troy is.
Infact, not just pedo but sex crimes in general are committed more by men in my belief.
However 90% seems a little bit over the top, to me.

It would be more accurate to say "most"....and leave it at that.

ProfD · April 12

20 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

However 90% seems a little bit over the top, to me.

It would be more accurate to say "most"....and leave it at that.

Semantics. It's the same difference.

Pioneer1 · April 12

17 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Semantics. It's the same difference.

But one is more "extreme" than the other.

And to say "most" would pretty much be factual while assigning a particular percentage to it may be less accurate.

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