Will the real Donald Trump please stand up

[aka Contrarian]

I found what Facebook poster Timothy Elliott had to say about  America's dictator incisive and succinct.

 "Trump was once a Democrat, then he switched. Wouldn’t even call him a Republican (the traditional party of “free trade”), however. He’s something altogether different. The Grievance Party (MAGA). Whining, complaining, self-pitying, feeling hard done by. In Trump’s world there is no such thing as mutual benefit. It’s always a zero-sum game. He has to be the winner (or be seen as a winner) and the other party has to be a loser. He took over the world’s strongest economy (on Jan.20), and the world’s strongest currency, and in less than three months he has both heading south fast, resurrecting an economic policy (tariffs) from the 19th century. Ten of the past 11 recessions in the U.S. (since 1953) have occurred with a Republican in the White House. Trump seems intent in making it 11-of-12."

 

Political pundit Bill Maher who I'm usually on the same page with because he's a moderate Liberal had some controversial things to say about Trump after he was invited for a visit to the white house recently. Maher said that, much to his surprise,  Trump was different from his public persona; nonconfrontational, laid back and civil - but  unapologetic. Bill, who has been a regular critic of Trump, went on to remark that  he found himself more comfortable around Trump than he was with a detached Obama, who himself, engaged in small talk with Trump at Jimmy Carter's funeral. What is it  about Trump that makes other men lose their balls??

  That smug, arrogsnt SOB Steve Bannon  was among the guests on Maher' weekly TV show and  he announced that there was no question that   Trump would run and win another term in 2029. 

 

I don't even care anymore. Obviously Donald Trump siphons off too much of my concern. He and America deserve each other. 

 

[ProfD]

It appears POTUS OJ is doing exactly what he promised his base over the course of 900+ rallies. The MAGA folks will ride with him until the wheels fall off or longer. 

 

That talk of a 3rd term is ridiculous. Well see how it plays out. I believe the universe wil prevent it.

[umbrarchist]

The DIMocrats should create an age limit amendment, 75 or less.

[Chevdove]

7 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Maher said that, much to his surprise,  Trump was different from his public persona; nonconfrontational, laid back and civil - but  unapologetic.

 

Turncoat!  

[Pioneer1]

55 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

 

Turncoat!  

Are you surprised?
Maher has a HISTORY of saying sneaky and greasy shit that often betrays his real thoughts as a Conservative and racist.

Many people think he's a Liberal but he actually makes it clear than he's a Libertarian.
Libertarians are often described as Conservatives who like to smoke weed....lol.

He routinely disparages Arabs and their culture and has been doing this since before 9/11.
He also disparages and low key criticizes Black people and AfroAmerican culture from time to time.

When Chris Rock did his famous stand-up routine where he detailed the difference between Black folks and "niggaz" and said a whole lot of shit that really SHOULD have been said....but said behind closed doors....a lot of racists White folks were getting erections!
Finally, they were hearing what they wanted to hear and it was coming from a Black man and not them.

Bill Maher was one of those people who thoroughly enjoyed Rock standing in front of the entire world and publicly criticizing own his people and would often ask,
"Where is the Chris Rock for the Arab people?".
....obviously suggesting the need for an Arab to get on stage and publicly criticize HIS people down for what Maher thinks are dysfunctions in their culture.
 

[Troy]

10 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

I don't even care anymore. Obviously Donald Trump siphons off too much of my concern. He and America deserve each other. 

 

Unfortunately, this sentiment is shared by far too many people -- including myself.  I don't listen to anything Trump has to say. I don't even listen to the thing people have to say about what Trumps says. 

 

I try to understand the impact of Trump's policies, but this is difficult to do because so much of the analysis appears biased.

 

Interestingly I do watch Bill Maher's show.  His has an interesting set of guests opposing points of views, and his segments are sometimes laugh-out-loud funny. Maher himself strikes me as a little smug and often self-righteous.

 

10 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Maher said that, much to his surprise,  Trump was different from his public persona

 

I have not seen the show since his visit to Maralago.  I'm not surprised by this either. Maher's critic of Trump ALWAYS ignored any possibility that Trump could appeal to anyone because he NEVER separated the man from his media persona.

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

When Chris Rock did his famous stand-up routine where he detailed the difference between Black folks and "niggaz" and said a whole lot of shit that really SHOULD have been said....but said behind closed doors

 

Now I can see Will Smith smacking the shit out of Rock for that routine 

 

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

...Arab to get on stage and publicly criticize HIS people down for what Maher thinks are dysfunctions in their culture.

 

 That will never happen as Muslims don't play that shit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

Other people know how to keep their dirty laundry in the closet.
Including Africans.

Their allegiance goes from immediate family, to extended family, to clan, to tribe, to ethnicity, to nation.....in that order.



 

[aka Contrarian]

Well, Bill Maher has maintained his aplomb and staved off all the criticism of his visit to tRump and what  he had to say sbout it.. I watched his  show last night, and I aint mad at Bill. The  bit he did on MAGAs and GenZers was so hilarious and spot on.

 

Poor America. Glad it aint my country.   

[Pioneer1]

For those who don't like America......lol.....I heard EL SALVADOR was accepting applications for residency.




They were offering free housing, communal living,  with 24 hour security and more!!!

[ProfD]

46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

For those who don't like America......lol.....I heard EL SALVADOR was accepting applications for residency.

They were offering free housing, communal living,  with 24 hour security and more!!!

Americans are not going to trade their 5 star prison for a 1 star penalty box.

[Troy]

10 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Well, Bill Maher has maintained his aplomb and staved off all the criticism of his visit to tRump

 

I did catch Maher's show immediately after his Trump visit. He seemed defensive in trying to justify the visit.  I wanted to tell Bill: "Who cares? You rich white guys got to sit in a room and circle jerk each other for a few hours on the taxpayer's dime -- good for you."

 

Look if I was invited to the White House I would not hesitate to go.  But I would not dupe myself into thinking that I was just trying to "talk to the other side" or be naive enough to think I would have any impact on policy. 

 

@aka Contrarian is this the GenZ bit you were referring to?  

 

 

[ProfD]

Comedian Bill Maher has always been a Libertarian Centrist who masquerades as a Liberal.

 

Democrats got all dewy-eyed as long as Maher was attacking the Right. They gave him a pass on his low key racist views especially when it comes to Muslims.

 

As a rich white man, Bill Maher lives in the best of all worlds. He's a weed smoking atheist who likes to bang non-white women despite harboring views antithetical to their own group of people. Literally sleeping with the enemy.

 

I see Bill Maher for what he is...a rich, well privileged white man.

[aka Contrarian]

 

@TroyYes that video is of the segment that appeared on Bill Maher's last show. I could really relate to it because that's the way factories used to be when  I was growing up. They were the lifeblood of small towns as was the case in my little midwestern suburb  where everybody's daddy worked at the local Can factory.

Fast-forward to 2025,  and  you couldn't find a more typical representation of a GenZer than my 20 year old great-grandson.  smh

 

Bill Maher made his fortune doing stand-up comedy. He still tours all over the country doing his schtik. He parlayed this skill into being a political pundit.

He claims he contributed a million dollars to Obama's presidential campaign. I think he's been approached about running for office but, like Mark Cuban, he took a pass.

To me, sportscaster Stephen A. Smith is his black counterpart.

[umbrarchist]

13 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

everybody's daddy worked at the local Can factory.

I worked for Continental Can Company one summer.

[Croocked T]

sometimes it feels like Trump’s just putting on a show for his fans-tough on stage, chill in private. But at the end of the day, it’s the same old politics. I’d rather hear real ideas on how to fix things than all the drama

[aka Contrarian]

To me, in his show last night  Bill Maher's body language and attitude hinted  that he's been taking a lot of heat for the  critique of his visit with Trump. He did revert back to ridiculing and criticizing tRump and his MAGA buddies but insisted that hating them accomplishes nothing...  He is learning that talking out of both sides of his mouth is a slippery slope. 

 

But his comic relief bits still crack me up.

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

To me, in his show last night  Bill Maher's body language and attitude hinted  that he's been taking a lot of heat for the  critique of his visit with Trump. 

Comedian Larry David did a New York Times op-ed Dinner with Adolf. Clearly mocking Maher's own visit with POTUS OJ. It was hilarious.

 

Of course, the snowflakes fall apart when POTUS OJ is compared to Hitler. Even the supposedly left and neutral media shrinks upon hearing it.

 

Yet, POTUS OJ has openly expressed his admiration for dictators and authoritarian regimes. He's only waving a flag for neo-fascism.

 

Bill Maher knows he stepped in it bigly when talked a whole bunch of sh8t about POTUS OJ only to do an about face after one dinner date.

 

As if Maher doesn't see and hear the BS POTUS OJ spews every day. No spots have changed on the clown-in-chief.

[Pioneer1]

On 4/23/2025 at 5:49 PM, Croocked T said:

sometimes it feels like Trump’s just putting on a show for his fans-tough on stage, chill in private. But at the end of the day, it’s the same old politics. I’d rather hear real ideas on how to fix things than all the drama

I share the belief of many that Trump isn't quite as right-wing and racist as he portrays himself to be.
Elon Musk is!!!!
But I don't believe Trump is.
I believe he's more of an OPPORTUNIST and will use whatever means at his disposal to accomplish his objectives.
Which is why he switched parties and the people he associates with over the years.

The real danger is in his MAGA supporters who ARE hard core racist and bigoted and see him as they're symbolic leader.
He's the central figure and the lightning rod that attracts them so that their energy has focus and political power.

I really don't believe he intended to become President.
I think he started running....not necessarily as a joke...but as a way to get attention and generate money but after seeing how much support he was getting his "handlers" decided to take this shit all the way to it's conclusion and it took him to the Whitehouse.....TWICE.


This is a real life blockbuster MOVIE in the making!

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I share the belief of many that Trump isn't quite as right-wing and racist as he portrays himself to be.

POTUS OJ has already shown himself to be a racist. Look no further than his administration dismantling Black history. They are renaming monuments and bringing back confederate relics.

 

Also, POTUS OJ's administration is criminalizing Hispanic folks under the guise of being tough on immigration. They are mostly deporting young men.

 

The only non-white people POTUS OJ deals with are those who are willing to kiss his azz and buy the BS he's selling.

 

Black folks would be better served to stay out of his way. Let the clown and his circus self-destruct and/or blow through these 3 years with with a minimal amount of chaos and destruction.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

No doubt Trump IS racist.
However as many have observed, some of his antics are a "show" for the more ignorant of his followers who are so racist and bigoted that it overrides any other values they may hold.

Trump is an opportunist who's MAIN passion is to acquire wealth and power.
Racism is a side dish that he enjoys WITH his main meal, lol.

He may not like Black people but as you said....he'll USE Black people or other people of color to accomplish whatever ends are necessary.

...as opposed to the typical mayonnaise-sandwich and beenie-weenie eating trailer trash who's main pride...besides being White....is his collected assortment of MAGA hats and t-shirts.

Unlike Trump and Musk, his racism and hatred mixed with his low self esteem prevents him from even USING people of color to achieve certain goals.  He'd rather stay poor and in the woods living like a caveman rather than work with a Black man just long enough for both of them to get some wealth and go their separate ways.

That's the difference.
 

This is why I still support Mayor Adams' move to distance himself from the Do-Nothing-Democrats and align himself with Trump who got those charges dropped.
If I had to choose, I'd much rather work with an open racist who somewhat keeps his word...somewhat...than covert racists who can't be trusted period.

Speaking of covert racists: Bill Maher is one of the chief ones.

I forgot to mention....but you didn't....Bill's reputation for fucking Black women.
This garbage is often used by White men to hide their racism.

I remember years ago on Politically Incorrect he said something greasy about the Black community and the so-called "Black Conservative" Aisha Tyler was all smiles and grins talking about she was gonna forgive or ignore (I forgot exactly what she said but it was something along that line) what he said because he dated Black women.

 

[ProfD]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Trump is an opportunist who's MAIN passion is to acquire wealth and power.
Racism is a side dish that he enjoys WITH his main meal, lol.

He may not like Black people but as you said....he'll USE Black people or other people of color to accomplish whatever ends are necessary.

POTUS OJ doesn't need non-Black folks to increase his wealth and power. They are the condiments and garnish on his main meal.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is why I still support Mayor Adams' move to distance himself from the Do-Nothing-Democrats and align himself with Trump who got those charges dropped.

Mayor Adams is merely running from one pimp into the Cadillac of another. Either way, he's still gonna be pimped out.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If I had to choose, I'd much rather work with an open racist who somewhat keeps his word...somewhat...than covert racists who can't be trusted period.

Prostitutes think the same way. They don't wannna s8ck and f8ck 95% of their tricks but it's part of the *job*.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Speaking of covert racists: Bill Maher is one of the chief ones.

Bill Maher is the most dangerous racist. He's an educated *heathen* comedian who engages in pseudo-intellectual, sociopolitical discourse.

 

Racists love folks like Maher and POTUS OJ for their fearlessness to speak the things mainy of them are unwilling to say out loud...confirmation bias.

 

Non-Black folks are gullible enough to sleep with these dudes and/or hang around them as if they're not enemies who would kill them if/when necessary.

 

[Troy]

1 hour ago, ProfD said:

Bill Maher is the most dangerous racist. He's an educated *heathen* comedian who engages in pseudo-intellectual, sociopolitical discourse.

 

Racists love folks like Maher and POTUS OJ for their fearlessness to speak the things mainy of them are unwilling to say out loud...confirmation bias.

 

Non-Black folks are gullible enough to sleep with these dudes and/or hang around them as if they're not enemies who would kill them if/when necessary.

 

 

I don't think Maher is a racist.  It is not clear to me what evidence you have to support that. 

 

He is definitely a "heathen" comedian.  I'd group him in with Trump in so far as they are both wealthy, renown, white men who enjoy all the benefits bestowed upon them by a country founded on white racism, patriarchy, and classism.

[Pioneer1]

As the late great Honorable Neely Fuller Jr. has taught us....
Given their history, when it comes to a White person.....it's not about proving that they ARE a racist, it's about proving they're NOT.

 

[Troy]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

it's about proving they're NOT.

Perhaps, but I’ve been listening to a show long enough to not see him as a racist. I have no idea what’s in the man’s heart and neither do you.

[Pioneer1]

 
Troy

My girl Tiffany Cross begs to differ with you over whether or not Bill is a racist:
 

 It's segments like THIS that may explain why MSNBC let her go.
Anyway....

She pointed out how people like Bill Maher uses "fair play" or "equal time" as an excuse to give racist White folks like Trump, Ann Coulter, and Kid Rock space to spew their rhetoric.

When was the last time Minister Farrakhan or any member of the Nation of Islam or the Black Pather Party was invited on his show?

[ProfD]

 

21 hours ago, Troy said:

I don't think Maher is a racist.  It is not clear to me what evidence you have to support that. 

I've listened to him enough to hear what comes out of his own mouth.  Check out the way he demonizes Islam and Muslims.  

18 hours ago, Troy said:

Perhaps, but I’ve been listening to a show long enough to not see him as a racist. I have no idea what’s in the man’s heart and neither do you.

Right.  We are all entitled to see racists and racism through our own lens. 

 

I believe all white folks are racist or race suspects until they prove otherwise.  Why?
 

Until white folks do something to dismantle the system of racism white supremacy, I believe they are perfectly fine enjoying the privileges and benefits that come with it. 

 

While they seem like polar opposites on the surface, folks like Bill Maher and POTUS OJ are shining examples of it. 

[aka Contrarian]

Maybe not in practice because they can rarely enforce it, but in spirit I believe black people are racist. They have no problem disliking and disparaging white people and devote a lot of time to doing so.

And, as MLK implied  in his "dislike for the unlike" phraseology, everybody is xenophobic inasmuch as Humans are instinctively suspicious of strangers.

 

I also think there's such as thing as "benign" racism. This can be exemplified with  a simple roll of the eyes gesture by a black person exhibiting  tolerarance or amusement with the foibles of a stupid white people. 

White people who condescendingly claim to be "color blind" are benign racists because they think they're doing you a favor by ignoring the "blemish" of black skin.

 

To me, Farrakhan is a blatant  racist.  He just out and out hates white people in general and Jews in particular. 

  

I don't think Bill Maher is a racist because  he can afford to not be one

 

I personally don't like Muslims. I find them grim, rigid, sneaky and of course misogynistic. And the Koran  tells them to kill anyone one who doesn't worship Allah. Even promises  that 40 virgins await any male who does this, when he arrives in heaven.

[ProfD]

26 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Maybe not in practice because they can rarely enforce it, but in spirit I believe black people are racist.

 

They have no problem disliking and disparaging white people and devote a lot of time to doing so.

A powerless group of people cannot afford to be racist.  Anyone can be a bigot.

 

26 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

To me, Farrakhan is a blatant  racist.  He just out and out hates white people in general and Jews in particular. 

No doubt Minister Farrakhan is prejudiced against white folks.  He does not have the power to subjugate them.

 

26 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

  I don't think Bill Maher is a racist because  he can afford to not be one

Bill Maher is a member of the group who created the system of racism white supremacy.  That makes him a racist or race suspect untl he proves otherwise.

 

26 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

I personally don't like Muslims. I find them grim, rigid, sneaky and of course misogynistic. 

Does that only apply to Muslim men or their women too?

 

Muslims definitely don't appear to be as liberal and free-spirited as other groups of people. 

 

There is a reason behind the way Muslims move and live. They don't want to end up imperialized like us...Black folks.

[Pioneer1]

4 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Bill Maher is a member of the group who created the system of racism white supremacy.  That makes him a racist or race suspect untl he proves otherwise.

 

That part right there......

[aka Contrarian]

@ProfDWhat does Bill Maher have to do to PROVE he's not racist as a white male in a country founded by white men?   Is there any white person you can point to who has proven he's not racist and is willing to  -  turn this country over to Blacks even if they're not united, cuz y'all loooove America so much.

 

As to whether my dislike for Muslim/Arabs extends to their women, I've never developed a liking for them  because they're just female versions of their menfolk only they wear wear things on their heads and aren't promised well-hung males after they kill infidels and go to heaven.

[ProfD]

43 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

@ProfDWhat does Bill Maher have to do to PROVE he's not racist as a white male in a country founded by white men? 

Instead of demonizing Muslims and criticizing what he thinks ia *woke* in America, Maher could use his platform to speak out against racism white supremacy. 

 

43 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

 Is there any white person you can point to who has proven he's not racist...

I know plenty white folks who wouldn't consider themselves racists or race suspects.

 

However, considering the system of racism white supremacy is still intact, they haven't proven anything.

 

43 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

and is willing to  -  turn this country over to Blacks even if they're not united, cuz y'all loooove America so much.

Dismantling the system of racism white supremacy isn't about turning the country over to Black folks.

 

The goal should be to replace the system of racism white supremacy with a system of  justice which is balance and fairness. 

 

43 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

As to whether my dislike for Muslim/Arabs extends to their women, I've never developed a liking for them  because they're just female versions of their menfolk only they wear wear things on their heads and aren't promised well-hung males after they kill infidels and go to heaven.

Gotcha. Muslim women have been indoctrinated into the same beliefs ss their men when if comes to religion and anti-imperialism.

[aka Contrarian]

55 minutes ago, ProfD said:

Onstead of demonizing Muslims and criticizing what he thinks ia *woke* in America, Maher could use his platform to speak out against racism white supremacy

Or, as the unnamed people you mentioned,Maher could just  consider himself not to be a racist  and publicly declare that he isn't.

I'm sure that Maher thinks it's implicit in his liberal stance that he is not racist.

 

Black critics expect a lot from white people when blacks, themselves, can't even rid themselves of colorism.

 

Bill Maher is not perfect but  he tries to be fair by criticizing the Woke folk progressives as well as the MAGA maggot conservatives.

I'll take him over a black Retrumpican any day.

[Troy]

 just because Minister Farrakhan is not appeared on his show doesn’t mean he’s a racist.  besides, Farrakhan would not be an ideal guest for the Bill Maher show over they talk about? Bill doesn’t believe in his religion indeed, Bill is anti-religion.
 

Tiffany is entitled to her opinion she says she doesn’t watch the show so she probably doesn’t know that he has Black people on the show  conservatives and liberals.  Sure most of the guests are white. 
 

I don’t always agree with Bill and as I said before, I think he’s an elitist and has an attitude to match. Despite that I often find his guests interesting and his program funny enough to catch every episode.

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

I've listened to him enough to hear what comes out of his own mouth.  Check out the way he demonizes Islam and Muslims

Islam is a religion not a race. He made a whole movie ridiculing Christians. Doesn’t make him a racist in my book just anti-religion.

 

12 hours ago, ProfD said:

Until white folks do something to dismantle the system of racism white supremacy, I believe they are perfectly fine enjoying the privileges and benefits that come with it. 

Of course they are. I suspect I would too if I was in that position if I was being perfectly honest.

 

Putting in the work to dismantle white racism is being anti-racist. Which is a big ask. Shoot, most Black people aren’t anti-racist. Most of us are just trying to survive. Let alone trying to dismantle a racist society.
 

Personally, I try to do my bit with the books and this website, but trust me it’s a daily battle, this is definitely not for everyone.

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Instead of demonizing Muslims and criticizing what he thinks ia *woke* in America, Maher could use his platform to speak out against racism white supremacy. 

I don’t think he demonizes Muslims in general, not any more than he demonizes Christians. Of course, he was critical of Oct 7. 

 

Prof D some of your commentary here on these forums comes across similar to what Maher says particularly when you talking about the alphabet community

 

 

[ProfD]

6 hours ago, Troy said:

Islam is a religion not a race.

Of course it is not.

6 hours ago, Troy said:

I don’t think he demonizes Muslims in general...

However, Maher believes Islam is responsible for radicalizing people of the Muslim faith into becoming terrorists. He refuses to acknowledge why they hate America. If/when the US talks about strikes against them, Maher is totally onboard with it.

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

...not any more than he demonizes Christians....

Being anti-Christian, Maher clowns the faith but he doesn't demonize evangelicals for their overtly racist views. 

 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

Of course, he was critical of Oct 7. 

Sure. Maher would be perfectly fine with wiping Gaza off the map including the innocent people who live there.

6 hours ago, Troy said:

Prof D some of your commentary here on these forums comes across similar to what Maher says particularly when you talking about the alphabet community

Not sure what you mean here.

 

I clown the alphabet community like any other group. I certainly don't demonize them.

 

I believe people should live their best lives to the fullest extent as along as it doesn't bring hurt, harm or danger to others.

[Troy]

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

However, Maher believes Islam is responsible for radicalizing people of the Muslim faith into becoming terrorists.

 

Well man that is true. It is true in the same way Christianity was used to radicalize the Klan, justify the enslavement of Black people, etc.

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

He refuses to acknowledge why they hate America.

 

When you say "they" are you talking about terrorists or regular Muslims?  I'm pretty sure terrorists are against all infidels.

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Being anti-Christian, Maher clowns the faith but he doesn't demonize evangelicals for their overtly racist views. 

 

When they start blowing shit up and killing innocents he absolutely would.  That I'm confident about.  

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

Maher would be perfectly fine with wiping Gaza off the map including the innocent people who live there.

 

You are just conjured up a provocative statement and attributed to someone without cause.  I'm surprised by that and there were no  so I gather you are serious.

 

3 hours ago, ProfD said:

I clown the alphabet community like any other group. I certainly don't demonize them.

 

What I mean is that you clown the alphabet community, like Maher does, and there are those who would easily take offense construe that clowning as demonization.

 

I still fail to see how any of this justifies you so confidently labeling Maher a racist. Sure, he is a rich, white, male, atheist, who enjoys all the benefits and privileges bestowed upon these people including being invited to chop it up with the President at the Whitehouse -- a man who he regularly clowned and demonized.  Let see if Bill Maher back off the clowning and critic of Trump now that they have had an opportunity to bond and luxuriate together in their rich white male privilege. 

 

[ProfD]

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

Well man that is true. It is true in the same way Christianity was used to radicalize the Klan, justify the enslavement of Black people, etc.

While it may be weaponized, the religion isn't responsible for radicalizing people. 

 

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

When you say "they" are you talking about terrorists or regular Muslims?  I'm pretty sure terrorists are against all infidels.

I was referring to terrorists who happen to be Muslims.

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

You are just conjured up a provocative statement and attributed to someone without cause.  I'm surprised by that and there were no  so I gather you are serious.

Maher has stated that Israel should be able to do whatever it takes to eliminate the group responsible for Oct. 7th.   In order to carry out that mission, innocent people in Gaza will be casualties.

 

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

What I mean is that you clown the alphabet community, like Maher does, and there are those who would easily take offense construe that clowning as demonization.

There is a difference between clowning and demonization.  We cannot control how people react to it.

 

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

I still fail to see how any of this justifies you so confidently labeling Maher a racist.

Cool.  I've already mentioned it.  

16 minutes ago, Troy said:

Let see if Bill Maher back off the clowning and critic of Trump now that they have had an opportunity to bond and luxuriate together in their rich white male privilege. 

I think Maher will go back to clowning POTUS OJ as the opportunity arises.

[aka Contrarian]

From what I have observed, men seem more threatened by the LGBQT movement than women are.

The move Maher made in the final moments on his last show was to forcefully declare that if you're born with a dick, you're a MAN!        Big deal.

Women don't seem to really care about female trannies except when it comes to sports and toilets. They even appreciate how stylish and glamourous some of  these he/shes can be.  

Men, however, are so convinced that having a penis is a privilege, they think anybody born with one should be too proud to get rid of it and  should, instead, take great pride in this groin ornament they regard as an object to be envied.    

 

Women would more likely laugh  upon discovering the buffed,well-groomed person they were cuddling with was wearing a tampon.

Men, on the other hand, would go berserk upon realizing their long-lashed, wig-wearing bedmate hadn't been castrated yet.

[ProfD]

4 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

From what I have observed, men seem more threatened by the LGBQT movement than women are.

IMO, men are not threatened by the alphabet soup movement. Men will not be  forced into accepting the movement or war on masculinity or p8ssification of society. 

 

4 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Men, on the other hand, would go berserk upon realizing their long-lashed, wig-wearing bedmate hadn't been castrated yet.

First, a man should know what he's dealing with before it goes that far.

 

A dude who's unwilling to tell the truth and let another man go far enough to discover he's not a real woman is taking a chance in signing his own death certificate. The joke, er, toe-tag is on him.

[Troy]

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

While it may be weaponized, the religion isn't responsible for radicalizing people. 

I fail to see the distinction the crusades, for example, would not have taken place where not for religion.

 

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

In order to carry out that mission, innocent people in Gaza will be casualties.

in war, there are always innocent casualties. What’s going on in Gaza appears to be on par with genocide. It is difficult to justify the scale of destruction and loss of innocent life. I honestly don’t know what Maher is on the scale of innocent casualties. I don’t think he’s calling for genocide… but I thought we were talking about him being a racist.

 

6 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Men, on the other hand, would go berserk upon realizing their long-lashed, wig-wearing bedmate hadn't been castrated yet.

 

ROTFLMBAO! You damn right!

 

6 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

Women would more likely laugh  upon discovering the buffed,well-groomed person they were cuddling with was wearing a tampon.

I heard stories about Men getting caught out there, but I’ve never heard one about a woman. I don’t know, but I don’t think the average woman would find it funny if she found herself in bed with someone she thought was a dude but turned out to be a woman. 
 

 

[aka Contrarian]

9 hours ago, Troy said:

I heard stories about Men getting caught out there, but I’ve never heard one about a woman. I don’t know, but I don’t think the average woman would find it funny if she found herself in bed with someone she thought was a dude but turned out to be a woman. 
 

 

  LOL It probably wouldn't be the first time a woman didn't have her expectations fulfilled in the bedroom. 

 

[Pioneer1]

Christianity, Islam, Hinduism.....
I'm not religious and I think religions are man made anyway.
However our people should be aware that the Caucasian Arabs were making slaves out of Black people long before the Caucasian Europeans were.

Troy & ProfD

Prof D some of your commentary here on these forums comes across similar to what Maher says particularly when you talking about the alphabet community
 

Like ProfD, I was  little surprised at this accusation myself...lol.

I haven't heard him say anything that was homophobic or even anti-trans.
 

Now ProfD HAS...like myself...said things that one MAY consider as chauvinistic.  And I'm sure that he...also like myself...is unapologetic for those views, lol.
I personally can be chauvinistic and liberally egalitarian at the same time by understanding both points of view and being honest with myself about what I really like regardless as to whether it's "right" or "wrong".
 

[ProfD]

28 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Now ProfD HAS...like myself...said things that one MAY consider as chauvinistic.  And I'm sure that he...also like myself...is unapologetic for those views, lol.

Right.  I'm not chauvinistic but if someone else sees me that way, I'm not going argue against it.  Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

 

While I'm not a chauvinist, I totally reject the p8ssification of men and the war on masculinity.  I'm never going to accept that men should be weak vessels in any shape, form or fashion. 

 

I am unapologetically a cisgender man.  If I had a chance to die and come back alive 40 times, I would choose to be a man every single time. 

 

Maybe 1 time out of 40 I would be a male lion.

 

When the rubber meets the road and sh8t has to get done in order for humans to survive...people will be relying on men to do the heavy lifting and whatever it takes up to violence and killing to protect our existence.

 

If there is a natural disaster or an alien invasion, I seriously doubt that society will be rounding up the alphabet soup community or feminists or any other assortment of snowflakes to handle that business. 

 

Everybody will be waiting to see what the men are going to do about it.  I'm perfectly capable of and fine with having that responsibility.  I take pride in it.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, aka Contrarian said:

LOL It probably wouldn't be the first time a woman didn't have her expectations fulfilled in the bedroom. 

 

Nope

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I haven't heard him say anything that was homophobic or even anti-trans.

 

Pioneer, our good @ProfD will freely admit himself, that he has taken humorous jabs at the "Alphabet community.  I never said that he was homophobic (though he may be).  All I'm pointing out is that when you make fun of a group you run the risk of being accused of being against that group.  

 

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

If there is a natural disaster or an alien invasion, I seriously doubt that society will be rounding up the alphabet soup community or feminists or any other assortment of snowflakes to handle that business. 

 

OK let take this statement.  It is purely anti-gay.  Now with the laughing face I presume that we are not supposed to take the statement seriously.  Surely you can imagine a gay person taking offense and seeing you bigoted against gay people.

 

Also, @ProfD, you must know that there are plenty of gay men that could easily kick your butt, then take it 

 

 

 

[aka Contrarian]

@ProfDplus the fact you don't have to be macho or even a man to utilize the computerized  technical support necessary to organize and coordinate a response to a disaster!

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Troy said:

OK let take this statement.  It is purely anti-gay.  Now with the laughing face I presume that we are not supposed to take the statement seriously.  Surely you can imagine a gay person taking offense and seeing you bigoted against gay people.

While someone might take offense or perceive it that way, the statement isn't anti-gay or anti-feminist or anti-snowflake.  It is a matter of interpretation. 

1 hour ago, Troy said:

Also, @ProfD, you must know that there are plenty of gay men that could easily kick your butt, then take it 

Least of my worries.  I'm extremely confident in my combat and tactical abilities.  Neither a gay nor a straight man wants that smoke.

 

47 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

@ProfDplus the fact you don't have to be macho or even a man to utilize the computerized  technical support necessary to organize and coordinate a response to a disaster!

Sure...anybody can work the call center. 

 

I'm referring to the heaviest lifting.  When it is time to move concrete and steel or mass debris clean-up and rebuilding structures, men will be expected to handle it.

[aka Contrarian]

34 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

Sure...anybody can work the call center. 

 

I'm referring to the heaviest lifting.  When it is time to move concrete and steel or mass debris clean-up and rebuilding structures, men will be expected to handle it.

There won't be any backbreaking labor. It'll all be handled by machines and robots.

[Pioneer1]

52 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

There won't be any backbreaking labor. It'll all be handled by machines and robots.

Who's going to FIX these machines and robots when they break down?

Lol...ever thought of THAT, genius????

[aka Contrarian]

20 hours ago, ProfD said:

IMO, men are not threatened by the alphabet soup movement. Men will not be  forced into accepting the movement or war on masculinity or p8ssification of society. 

 

First, a man should know what he's dealing with before it goes that far.

 

A dude who's unwilling to tell the truth and let another man go far enough to discover he's not a real woman is taking a chance in signing his own death certificate. The joke, er, toe-tag is on him.

Man take chances all the time via one nightstands. 

And nobody is expecting anything of men except for them to co exist with those who embrace gender rather than genitals. Live and let live. Nobody can be "turned into" something they dont already have preexisting tendencies for.

1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:

Who's going to FIX these machines and robots when they break down?

Lol...ever thought of THAT, genius????

Not surprising that you know nothing about the "Rosie the Riverter"  women who during WW2 replaced men in factory jobs  that required them to be familiar with the production and maintenance  of machinery. 

[ProfD]

12 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Man take chances all the time via one nightstands. 

Sure.  If a trans-dude doesn't announce himself before things get out of hand, he's taking a chance with his own life.

 

 

12 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

And nobody is expecting anything of men except for them to co exist with those who embrace gender rather than genitals. Live and let live.

There is a whole movement underway that is trying to get men to accept things that are out of order like a toilet. 

 

Men should not be able to become women and compete in sports nor should a trans-man be able to use a women's bathroom. 

 

Same goes for a trans-woman.  She shouldn't be playing men's sports and hanging in the men's locker room either.

 

Children do not get to pick and choose their gender.  That is a decision they are free to make when capable of taking care of themselves. 

 

Men should not even be entertaining such foolishness.

 

 

12 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Nobody can be "turned into" something they dont already have preexisting tendencies for.

Correct.  Nobody can be turned into something else. 

 

I'm all for live and let live.  Deceiving people does not fall under that banner.

 

12 minutes ago, aka Contrarian said:

Not surprising that you know nothing about the "Rosie the Riverter"  women who during WW2 replaced men in factory jobs  that required them to be familiar with the production and maintenance  of machinery. 

Rosie the Riverter was very real during WW2.  It was catchy.

 

Fast-forward to the auto factories when manufacturing was predominantly stateside.  They were not filled with Rosies. 

 

To this day, the majority of blue collar jobs are still held by men.

[aka Contrarian]

@ProfDThere's still a sizable number of women working on factory assembly lines.  Depends on what's being manufactured. And manual labor has become obsolete.

 

BTW, my Rosie the Riviter remark was in response to the gnat flitting around.