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Well, I shall be quite frank.  The only true candidate worth voting for is Bernie Sanders.  If the democrat party destroys Bernie Sanders' opportunity, I shall vote Donald Trump.

I shall not continue to hand my vote over to the democrat party in the name of helping "humanity" or helping "all americans."  I specifically want to know what the democrat party intends to do to help black people, period!   I do not care about other people!  It is this selfishness that is needed to bring attention to the concerns of our community.  And this "in the name of humanity" rubbish has only left black people holding the short end of the stick!  I honestly feel that the older generation of civil right workers became very comfortable with joining the discussion among white democrats to bash republicans, when the discussion should have never been about republicans, but what shall the democrat party do to help black people as a reason that black people should continue to vote for democrats.  It is strange that white women for equal pay, gays for gay marriage, hispanics for immigration reform, white  jews for the support of Israel and other groups can demand something in exchange for voting democrat, but black people are encouraged by older blacks to demand nothing.  And that is precisely what blacks have gotten from white democrats: nothing!  The only thing older black people can tell me is: Well, the republicans are worse than the democrats.  That is simply not good enough!   I do not generally vote for republicans nor shall I continue to vote for the lesser of two evil.  I think you  older blacks sold the black community out, and, as proof of this, look at the black community today.  You were the leaders of it, and you failed!  And you  continue to lead blacks on the path of absolute and pristine failure as you will vote for the democrat party blindly and  get nothing in return, other than saying,  "Well, the republicans were worse."  Let's vote for Hitler because Stalin is worse!  How foolish!  (Old black people, please do not respond to me, as I have utterly and absolutely no respect  for you.  How dare you throw the black community under the bus for over 60 years by demanding nothing of substance from the democrat party that would concretely address the unique issues of the black community in exchange for blacks voting democrat.  And you're still singing the same song and dance.  Continue neglecting the black community and talk about how "bad" republicans are; but you'll never tell me how "good" democrats are for black people. Why?  Because they are not!  And you are not, either!  The sooner you people "go to heaven," the better off black people will be.  So, hurry and get your white washed wings please!)

The even more strange point is: The Democrat Party has done more harm to the black community than republicans have ever!  Shall I name the multiple policies the Democrat Party has endorsed that has devastated black people, from the white lesbian feminist movement's ideas of belittling and distancing men from the family, to discouraging internal economic development and empowerment in the black community in exchange for government social benefit handouts, to incarcerating black men, and to white democrats entering black communities, like Harlem, and uprooting almost every black person therein! White democrat racists are notorious for entering black poor neighborhoods and removing every single black person from it!  Republicans did not do that! Republicans are neither placing Planned  Parenthood Organizations, which was began by Margaret Sanger, a devout racist who despised blacks, into almost  exclusively poor neighborhoods of color.  Republicans neither began the idea of informing children that if your parents spank you that you should call the police, whereupon parents were being incarcerated  for merely disciplining their children!  Republicans were neither responsible for encouraging teenage pregnancy by giving children condoms under the pretense that they will have sex anyway!  Republicans neither are supporters of holding children of color hostage in failing traditional public schools and thereby denying parents freedom of choice in deciding our children's school education.  In fact, it is not at Republican controlled school systems that black children are disproportionately expelled for offenses that white children are merely reprimanded for. Hence, the biggest damage ever to be done to black people have been by the democrat party, hands down! And the real reason that blacks hate republicans is because republicans are upfront racists who tell blacks to do for themselves!  But the absolute biggest racists  I have ever encountered through undergrad and grad school have been white liberal democrats, who smile in your face and are your friend  as long as you push their ideology.  But the moment you disagree with them, the white liberal democrat  will remind you of your color!  They remind you "slave, do not think for yourself and do not ever try getting off the plantation."  These filthy white liberal democrats will even go to bed with and marry blacks and create mixed  offspring  (who really are not black people in my opinion, and I make a powerful argument proving that point!) Thus, white democrats are the absolute worst!  

Therefore, Hillary Clinton is out!  Black men went to prison for non-violent offenses and received substantial sentences more under Bill Clinton than any republican president!  Bill Clinton allowed illegals from South America to enter America for economic reasons but told the Haitians to "go back home" and "to turn your boat back around from America" as the Haitians were in the middle of the ocean and fleeing from civil war!  Bill Clinton was quick to get involved with the mass murder of whites in Bosnia but let Blacks murder themselves in Rwanda!  Guilty by Assocation?  Absolutely!  Bill Clinton is trash just like his wife, who was initially a young supporter of Barry Goldwater, who was a self-proclaim and admitted segregationist racist, and who Hillary Clinton to this day says she is still proud to have supported.  Unbelievable!  Thus, the pro-establishment candidate and hidden racist Hillary Clinton is out!  Bernie Sanders is an anti-establishment democrat which is why the dnc wants him out!  Donald Trump is an anti-establishment republican which is why the rnc wants him out! And this is very reason why the both of them - for me - are IN!  (celestrialperfection@gmail.com)

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Well again Bernie has my vote.  Hillary does not, nor does Trump.  

However many slaves to the democratic party who feel that if you don't vote for Hillary, assuming she is the democratic nominee, that is actually a vote for Trump.

I think people should vote for people they support, they should not be coerced into voting for someone they do not support as a strategy to stop someone else you don't support from winning.  Hopefully the process will work out with a candidate that the people (at least the democrats) actually want....

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 I have a problem with Bernie supporters like this "Guest" poster of patented propaganda, most of which is old news from years ago, while the rest consists of blaming Hillary for the sins of her husband, citing a lot of things which if vetted objectively can be discounted,  To me, "Guest", is an embodiment of the Bernie followers with their inflated sense of nobility. They're so busy patting themselves on the back for exercising what they consider their "integrity", that they are blinded by their own halos, Contrary to what "Guest" claims, white Bernie followers, themselves, take on the role of standard bearers for the poor negro masses who are misled and can't think for themselves and need to be rescued by do-gooder bleeding hearts and their allies of warmed over latter day black radicals and young wanna-be revolutionaries all recycled from the 1960s.   They spend all their time demonizing Hillary while glossing over how Bernie, in his role of savior, will pull off his miracles by applying simple solutions to complicated problems, something he didn't do when he fathered a baby out of wedlock back in the day. Like Trump's following,  Bernie supporters think he is going to save America, not by reinforcing racism, but by dismantling capitalism. Lotsa luck.

So far, the rank and file of black voters and their practical leaders are backing Hillary because Bernie is an unknown entity and black folks tend to go for what they know and be placated with what they can get.  Only the young ones are idealistic.  

Hillary is certainly not perfect  but  being perfect is not a requirement for becoming POTUS.  The job calls for a broad global command of issues and a doable mentality.  Actually, she is Moderate Centrist  and Bernie is a Leftist Progressive and they are not that different in the people they purport to represent. They are both promising reform, although to listen to the Bernie's fanatics who are stuck in the past, all Hillary wants to do is line her pockets and represent the rich, something my gut feeling tells me is not the case. But, that's just me.

Come November, I won't cross my arms and purse my lips and not vote if Hillary isn't the Democratic candidate. Instead of pouting, I will simply vote for Bernie if for no other reason than it will be interesting to see how it all works out...

 

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Cynique, there are plenty of Bernie supporters who are my age.  In fact, I don't really know anyone (other than yourself) who is so staunchly supportive of Hillary.  Basically folks are either "Bernie or bust", or "I'll vote of Hillary if Bernie does not make it." The later may be in the minority. 

When you write, "...in his role of savior, will pull off his miracles by applying simple solutions to complicated problems..." that same thing could have very easily been applied to Barack 8 years ago.

I did not know Bernie had a child out of wedlock, I'm not sure why you mentioned it other than to demonized Bernice in the same why you accuse others of demonizing Hillary.  Considering the fact that the mmajority of Black people born in America are born out of wedlock, I doubt very many people will hold that against Bernie, but rather see him human--like the rest of us.

We need people who are far m,ore progressive in the white house, not moderate centrists who parrot whatever the polls say people want to hear, then proceed to do the bidding of the oiligarchy once elected.

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Great change in dialogue here. If I'm honest, I'm for the person that will assist small business. Which none of the people who are running are addressing so my vote is still in the air (although in the primary I voted for Bernie, which didn't matter since Hillary swept the South anyway.) The person who will address the small business infrastructure in the US (Basically the person who will force the banks to lend money to the everyday person instead of the million dollar businesses will definitely get my ear in a big way. As of right now because I import my footwear, I have to pay attention to the trade agreements and how the taxes are going to applied and if the duties will decrease. This begins to place me in no man's land because while Repubs want to decrease taxes, they don't want banks helping the little guy.

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@TroyI am not a "staunch" supporter of Hillary i am just a cynical skeptic of Bernie.  And in the spirit of digging up dirt from the past, which seems to be the forte of Bernie supporters, I decided  to mention that Saint Bernie had a child out of wedlock.

I was going by polls when I said more Blacks are supporting Hillary than Bernie since everybody likes to cite figures.  Plus, at a gathering I attended on Easter, I myself was surprised by how everyone there, many of whom were your age, were supporting Hillary. One of these was a New York resident who was visiting her mother for the holidays.  Go figure.

As for applying the simple solutions to complicated problems dogma to Obama, I'm surprised that you, who chided Obama for bailing out the banks and being a care taker of the status quo, would make that rationale.;)

The carefully crafted "Guest" manifesto has appeared all over the internet and the more I read it, the more I become suspicious of it being a ploy to divide and conquer Democrats in the hope of sending disgruntled Bernie followers into the Trump camp if Sanders doesn't get the nomination. 

@CDBurns You may very well be representative of a silent voting bloc; those who vote their pocketbooks. They may wield more power than expected  because these entrepreneurs and professionals come from all races. Their hearts may be with one candidate but their heads are with who will best serve their financial interests. 

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If there is a candidate who begins to address entrepreneurship and small biz, that candidate could literally push themselves ahead. I'm idealistic so Bernie appeals to me, but on some level and I know it's sacrilegious, Trump is interesting just because I get how business people are for themselves and really don't care about anything except how to strengthen their own position in a capitalist society. I would never vote for Trump, but a business person running for the White House who really doesn't need lobbyists to enhance his life is very compelling. I guess Kennedy was such a person so maybe I'm looking for someone with the savvy to figure out free two year college, regulating banks and forcing a "type" of equal opportunity in lending, and someone smart enough to realize the government doesn't need it's hand in every cookie jar and won't send my fellow military brothers to war over the control of fossil fuels. As of right now every candidate hits on almost all of these points. Not a single one of them is addressing the small biz person and like you said Cynique I think this is a bloc that is playing the waiting game in deciding who to really throw their vote behind.

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I'm not voting for ANY of those currently running because none of them are saying what i want to hear as far as universal healthcare, good paying blue-collar jobs  millions of unemployed men and women, and totally rebuilding America's infrastructure.

None of them have an actual VISION for building a new America.
They just want to patch up the same old shit and keep it running.


Besides, who really thinks electing a President will really change things in today's political climate anyway?

Obama is a Black Democrat and America's foreign and domestic policies are pretty much the same as they were when a White Republican was in office.
Chicago is Obama's hometown, Michelle is from the South Side....what what is he doing about the violence and poverty?

Hell, atleast Republicans kind of halfway look out for and toss a few dimes to it's constituents.
Democrats just completely FORGOT about the poor and Black issues and are now focusing on the "middle class" and Latino and women voters.



No matter who gets in office, it appears that the agenda stays the same.
Bust up the unions, destroy decent blue collar jobs, raise the price of healthcare and tuition, and figure out ways to reduce Black economic and political power while keeping the inner cities of America chaos.


Until we get another president with the balls to implement REAL change....like Franklin Roosevelt......if change does comes, it will have to start at the LOCAL level.  Sincere Democrats and Republicans in the cities of America should take off their political labels and sit down to a table and talk about how to improve things locally because Washington ain't caring.

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I'm not voting for ANY of those currently running because none of them are saying what i want to hear as far as universal healthcare, good paying blue-collar jobs  millions of unemployed men and women, and totally rebuilding America's infrastructure.

 

I think Bernie's people will dispute this.  This is what their platform is all about.  And Clinton is jumping on board with the same message.   Just about everybody agrees that rebuilding  America's deteriorating infra-structure is not only imperative but would provide thousands of jobs. 

 

 

     

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Bernie Sanders says some good things but too many of his supporters are pushing Socialism...or what many of his supports call "Democratic Socialism"....which will not work for Black America because too much socialism will make our people lazy.

I've seen too many talented Black men and women who grew up thinking they could "slick" their way through life by hustling and pimping the system until they could somehow get a social security or disablity check for a few hundred dolllars....then they're satisified.
But in a properly managed economy,  if they were pushed to use just HALF of the good sense God gave them many of them would be millionaires by now.



On the other hand we don't need unbridled Capitalism either because it will lead to the type of exploitation and despotism you see brewing in the United State today that locks so many poor AfroAmericans out of the economy and creates a "permanent underclass".

SOME things that people depend on for their very livelihood like healthcare and education should be socialized.
Other things should not.

I'm not hating on Bernie.
I think he'd probably be a better President from a domestic policy point of view than Hillary and I KNOW he'd be better than Trump.

But we have to learn that what works for OTHERS will not necessarily work for us.

What we need as AfroAmericans is a system uniquely designed BY us...FOR us; and if not implimented by a Black politician in an executive position such as President or Governor....atleast whoever does get in office while respect our agenda and integrate it into his/her Administration.

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Guest Sarafan

I will not reveal myself by allowing my precious account here to go to the netherworld. Nor will I allow my published works to be removed by posting under my account. However I do like to see a phony old harridan get her comeuppance on an online forum where she thinks her feces isn't smelly.

 

Sara soulja on!

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Sarafan

Wussamatta....lol....you don't like MY posts?

How you gonna come up in this mug and give SARA all your Kool Aid and don't offer nobody else none?

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Guest Pioneer1Fan

That's OK baby.

You have all types of fans following you around out here....with your SEXY self!

And I KNOW you're sexy because I can tell from the way you post.
I bet you're one of those sexy brothers I see in the car next to me on the freeway on my way to work during a traffic jam.

I only wished you loved your fans as much as we love you.

Here's a picture of myself to take your mind off of that devilish Sarafan


Image result for Kerry Washington


....lol.

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Pioneer1Fan

The gig is up homie.....lol.
I think they know you are me and I am you.

.....unless Kerry Washington is lurking on this site for real and wants to assume the role !

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