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Dr. Ben Carson Says There Are 2 Donald Trumps. Last Year Trump Said Carson Was Mentally Unstable .. Ben Carson Is Campaigning For Trump. ..Ben Carson Ignoring All The Women, Saying How They Were Sexually Disrespected By Trump, Ignoring The Klan ,Saying Nigger President At Trump Rallies,Carson Has No Problem With Racist Terrorist Supporting Trump,Klan Neo Nazi. . Maybe Dr. Ben Carson Is Mentally Unstable...

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Neurosurgeon Carson needs a brain transplant.  He also talks out of both sides of his mouth.  The only thing this hypocritical Christian ever said that made sense is that Trump is typical of how men discuss women amongst. themselves. The reason Trump's core support group excuses his crude remarks about grabbing "pussy" is because they talk this way, too.  How about you guys on this board.  Is it your experience that men make lewd comments about females during bull sessions??  ;)

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I hate the way their allegiance to the Republican party forces otherwise intelligent Black Republicans to make straight up fools out of themselves in public.

We saw the same thing with Colin Powel and how he presented erroneous information before the entire world to support the U.S. going to war in Iraq.  And to add further insult, when no WMDs were found and the war turned into a quagmire many Republicans even tried to lay all the blame on HIM and his presentation instead of Bush!

Carson is a world famous doctor, he should atleast have the good sense not to belittle himself and smear his reputation by supporting a racist sexist clown that even most White Republicans are distancing themselves from now.


 

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Do men make lewd comments about women, sure.  The phrase "I'd F-uck that." is a cliche, as is the cat calling construction worker.  Jesse Jackson got caught saying he'd like to cut Obama's balls off. Do I need to quote any misogynistic rap lyrics for you?

Yes, Cynique men make lewd comments about women, each other, everything.

People say a lot of crazy sounding things. I'm sure someone with enough motivation could cull enough quotes from me, out of content, make me sound like a raving lunatic.

Of all the things I have against Trump, this is way down on the list.

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I don't view Bill Clinton, for example, any differently than I do Donald.  One could very easily argue Bill Clinton is worse in the "dissing women" department.  Since Hillary enabled, or at the very least tolerated, Bill's behavior I can only assume she was cool with it too.

Besides Cynique, you have been called some pretty terrible things by Sara and Kola Boof.  That does not make them sexist or racist... or does it?  Should the things they wrote disqualify them from running for the POTUS, or would you consider other factors as well?

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What Kola and sara and I engaged in were slamfests within the context of "cat fights".  Both  Bill Clinton and John Kennedy were womanizers but there a difference between having affairs with woman and making crude remarks about them to other men.  There is an aspect of discretion that some men don't get.  Words can sting more than groping.    Groping is a sign that a man finds your body appealing.  Besmirching you to someone is a sign that a man has no regard for you as a person.

I don't think that engaging in a personal feud necessarily disqualifies a competent person from running for office.  But Donald Trump doesn't have his priorities together.  He's more preoccupied with degrading women, than with upgrading his qualifications to serve as President. 

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Really?  Do you think the average woman would prefer for her husband to have an affair, or make a crude remark about a woman?  As far as discretions, both Bill and John seemed to lack that in spades given the very public nature of their affairs.

And as far as the "cat fights" with the others, that is my point.  If I lifted one of your barbs, out of context, and used it to say you hated all Black women, that would make no sense.  But if the media constantly repeat the sound bite, while going viral on internet memes, you would just become a caricature, a distortion of who you really are. 

Now image how you would sound if you used the, "it was just a cat fight defense" to justify your comments.  All your sanctimonious, self righteous critics would pile on an say how they would never say anything as vile as what you said to another Black woman, which the media would also repeat on constant loop.  Do you see my point?

Again, there is plenty of things which make Trump a poor presidential candidate. His comments about women is low on the list especially when you hold up the behavior of Clinton and Kennedy in comparison.

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I have posted a response to the above post 3 times, and it just keeps disappearing into - cyberspace, i guess.  Very curious. 

I'll try again.

@TroyWe are not talking about the reaction of wives.  We are talking about the disrespect for all woman, implicit in the demeaning references made about them by lecherous predators engaging in "locker room" conversation with other men.

IMO. Donald Trump is no different from Bill Clinton or John Kennedy because he cheated on his wives also.              

Plus Trump's inherent misogyny demeans half the population in the country he seeks to become president of. This is not to be taken lightly.

And I disagree that the personal insults I hurled at Kola and sara during our arguments, if taken out of context, would leave the impression that I hated all black women.  Race was rarely a factor in these exchanges; that's why I called them cat fights because we attacked each other's intellect and character and looks, too, sometimes .          

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@Cynique it is a bug that was introduced with the upgrade to the forum's software that I performed yesterday.  I have been having the same problem.  Basically what I do to get around it is reload (hit the F5) then the post the message.  I know it is a real pain and will confuse new posters but it is the nature of the beast...

It was clever of you to update the a previous conversation and tag me on it :-)

I opened a ticket with the support folks for this application.

Hi @Cynique I just applied a patch that should get rid of the intermittent problem we have been have with replying to posts. Thanks for reporting it to me; that helped me know it was not just a problem on my end.  I guess you still have the problem with posting images. If so I can;t out what could be causing it...  Do you know how to take a screen shot of your PC's screen?  Do you use Google Chrome browser?  Is so I can remotely connect to your PC as see what the problem is, if you like.

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@Cynique you were called a "Nig-er Bit-h," just the other day.  Do you really want me to go through the archives to dig up how Kola used your light complex to denigrate you in more ways than I can remember.  How can you say "race" was never a factor? 

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Cynique

How about you guys on this board. Is it your experience that men make lewd comments about females during bull sessions??

I'm sorry I didn't even see this question.
I didn't notice it until Troy responded to it.

To be honest, me and most of the boys/men I grew up around did NOT make comments like Trumps...bragging about actually assaulting women or forcing themselves on women.
Black men may brag about how much pussy they're GETTING, but not about "taking" it or forcing themselves on women.


I'm not saying Black men don't sexually assault women or force themselves, but I haven't once heard a Black man talk about grabbing a woman or forcing a woman into sex and those who do these things definitely don't openly brag about them with other Black men.  There is often atleast one brother around who will threatened to do great harm to a man who goes that route.


With Black males it tends to be the other way around....
We think it's cooler to have game so tight that women forth themselves on YOU and chase after YOU.

The most graphic parts of Black men talking to eachother may revolve around how good the sex was or describing the body parts of a woman, but no sexual violence.

But this has been MY personal experiences around other brothers......


 

 


Troy

I wouldn't say Bill is worse than Donald or even as bad.
Bill Clinton was (is?) a WOMANIZER......a man who just likes to bang a lot of women and he uses his charisma and power to do it.
Where as Trump in my opinion feels he's ENTITLED to a woman's body.
He clearly believes in bullying women or using force to get what he wants whether it's money or women or respect in general.

You'd never hear of Bill Clinton walking in on beauty pagent contestants while they're dressing, or grabbing women in the crotch, or trying to grope on women he didn't know on an airplane like Trump.....lol.

Bill believes in using his charisma to get the coochie, while Trump believes in TAKING it...big differences.

Which is why although I may detest a rapist, I actually have respect for a successful pimp.



 


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I think what Donald Trump is doing....is once again doing what Black leaders SHOULD be doing...which is calling attention to the petty social rules that have been plaguing the working class male for decades.

Just like Black leaders should have BEEN calling foul and accusing the election system of being rigged...because often times it IS rigged against Blacks and Democrats....but instead Donald Trump and the Republicans of all people are doing it; Black males are often denied jobs and fired from jobs and locked out of much of modern American society because we haven't been "trained" out of flirting with women and making open sexual comments...so why the hell are rich White men the ones talking about this????

It's common in our culture, especially among the poor and uneducated Black males to flirt heavey with women and hit on women. There are few rules in the "game", and guess what.....I see nothing wrong with that.
Poor White men have been crying over the feminization of America and the American male when it reall should be BLACK men doing most of the complaining because this effects us much more than effects them. I don't know how many Black men's careers have been ruined over sexual harassment charges and sex offender lables on their record for behavior that would have been totally accepted just a couple generations ago.

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"I may detest a rapist, I actually have respect for a successful pimp."

Pioneer, you must realize that this statement is at the very least incongruent, and the reasons should even require an explanation.

You wouldn't say Bill is as bad as Trump... OK I can't dispute your feelings on a subjective matter such as this.  But I have to believe this is more a matter of Black folks loving Bill Clinton and hating the republican Donald, rather than clear-eyed objective evaluation of their known behavior. 

I heard recently heard that Bill frequented an island owned by a billionaire buddy, who was convicted of sex crimes, where they had sex with under aged girls (sex slaves).

Man the stuff we know about these guys doing is just the tip of the iceberg...  I'm not going to go to the mat defending either one of these degenerates. 

Who is worse? Flip a coin.

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Wonder if Bill Clinton hooked up with the underage girls during his presidency or after, when he was free to be a dirty ol man?

My take-away from all of this is that testosterone turns a male's brain to mush. So many of them risk everything, - their careers, their marriages, their reputations just to score a piece of ass.  It's like they can't see past their penises and their self-control defers to their primitive instincts.  Either that, or their need to control prevails and they force themselves on a woman.  And then, of course, there are the men who woman use sex to control.  Whatever the scenario, sex has earned its reputation of being the third primary drive, right up there with hunger and thirst. 

Pioneer may admire pimps, but I admire men who are able to resist forbidden fruit, keeping in mind the regret it can serve up later.

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This is one thing that puts Obama heads and shoulders above both Donald and Trump.  As Obama illustrates there are men who have far more control than Bill or Trump, men who do not abuse their power to have sex women.

Cynique it really does not matter if Clinton hooked up with under ages cildren before, after, or during.  It is still statutory rape.

The take aways should be that we live in a culture where men take advantage of women. If you have a little money, power, or connections you will usually get away with it.  Apparently, Nate Parker got away with it.  Bill Cosby will get away with it, as will Trump and Clinton (that BS impeachment does not count).

We live in a culture where "successful" pimps command respect.

Listen to our music, visit a strip club, look at the proliferation of pornograhy on the web, visit any place where you find great numbers of poor black people...  and you will begin to understand why men treat and talk about women the way they do.

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LOL I do understand why men "treat and talk about  women the way they do"; because they are horny control freaks, something I mentioned in my previous post.  Sexual harassment is also rampant in the work place and the military. 

But, men don't always get away with their indiscretions. Lately there have been quite a few high-profile politicians and top-ranked military men whose careers and reputations have been ruined because of their extramarital escapades. Trump, himself, has jeopardized his bid for the presidency because of his lewd boorishness. "The bigger they are, the harder they fall". 

There are biblical and mythological references to Alpha males "lusting in their hearts" for female seductresses.  Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world for a good reason. Men crave sex and power.  None of what's happening today is new.    

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Troy

A pimp....like a madam....is nothing more than a MANAGER/PRODUCER of prostitutes.

Some are good and protective, some are bad and abusive.

If people in this society weren't trained to look at sex as evil and disgusting, then they wouldn't see prostitution and all the various forms of it as bad or exploitive either.

Western civilization glofiries violence but demonizes sex.

I'm sure the managers at Walmart and your local diners are exploiting far more vulnerable women than any pimps in the area.


 


Cynique

I didn't say I admired pimps, but I do have a certain amount of respect for them and their psychological and sociological skills.

Perhaps if White men legalized it THEN it would become a "legitimate profession" and socially acceptable to all those who align their morality with his.

 

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OK Pioneer if you are talking about the manager of high priced call girls; the person who vets the clients, ensures they are protected from STD's, manages their appointments, fine.  But I'm not sure why these people would engender any more respect than the night manager at a Denny's Restaurant.

When I think "pimp" I envision the monsters that prey on wayward teens, coercing them through physical and mental abuse, having them give unprotected blow jobs to truckers at truck stops or miscellaneous dudes in the back alley of seedy neighborhoods.  I assume you have no respect for, nor admire them cats, right?

No Cynique, none if it is new. 

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14 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

If people in this society weren't trained to look at sex as evil and disgusting, then they wouldn't see prostitution and all the various forms of it as bad or exploitive either.

Western civilization glofiries violence but demonizes sex.

What society are you talking about??  No one in this country is trained to look upon sex as evil and disgusting.  In the present, sex is regarded as a pleasurable, healthy, natural indulgence and those who don't regard it as such are diagnosed as having either biological or psychological problems. Moreoever, whatever goes on between 2 consenting adults behind closed door is not frowned upon.  Yes, minors are encouraged to be chaste but if they choose to experiment, school hygiene classes simply advocate their being responsible enough to use condoms or other forms of birth control.  Sex is glorified in movies and music, on TV and the internet, and even commercials. Why?  Because it sells!  Even the porn business is openly thriving.  

The Catholic church may give lip service to selective abstinence, but none of its members pay any attention to this,  including its priests. Other religions are also very lax in disparaging sex, probably because the clergy like it as much as their congregations.

Eastern civilization, as represented by Islam, is who is still sexually repressive especially when it comes to unmarried females. Indians, on the other hand, long ago have elevated sex into an art form via the Kama Sutra. Japan also has creative sexual practices.

Love and sex go hand and hand, and this has become universally accepted, not to mention "friends with benefits" relationships.  

 

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Troy

Ofcourse, I'm not talking about the dogs who kidnap and sell young girls or turn them on to drugs and use them as sex slaves and other demonic forms of abuse.  Not only DON'T I support them, I support their incarceration and a violent punishment as a deterrence for others who may consider doing the same.

But yes, in a way the other form IS what I'm talking about although I'd prefer ALL levels of prostitution be as safe and regulated as the high-priced call girl industry. Even those offering $10 blow jobs should be afforded protection from abuse from either pimps or clients as well as subjected to frequent testing for disease and adequate healthcare.
I support a sexually free society because I believe it would be less violent, prostitution and other free expressions of sexuality are just a part of that.

But I have more respect for a successful pimp or madame in this society than I do for most managers of fast food operations because they have to be smarter than the typical manager of a "legitimate" industry just to survive and be successful.
The manager of a structured environment like a resturant derives most of their power from the authority that comes with their position. Anyone stepping into that position would command the same respect. All they have to do is step in and maintain the structure or system already built before them.

On the other hand, people who run underground operations have to build their own networks and use their intelligence and social skills to maintain order and respect from those under them....all WITHOUT relying on the police or other authorities to back them up if things go wrong.
That takes a special type of intelligence and skill that you don't learn in school nor from an already established position.


 



Cynique

Sexuality and the suggestion of sex is used in society to sell things and attract people's attention, but sex ITSELF isn't.
As Troy and I were discussing above, prostitution is STILL illegal and there isn't a school in the United States offering a 'sex education" class that actually TEACHES the students how to have sex.  It'll all peripheral knowledge that skirts around actual intercourse itself.
Which is why nudity let alone the actual act of having sex is strictly forbidden on public airwaves in the United States while it's readily seen in other Western nations like Canada and Germany.

But truth be told, Western society as a whole is STILL quite sexually immature as compared to ancient societies.
The United States WENT through a sexual revolution in the 60s but then reverted backwards in the 80s under Reagan and the threat of AIDS.

 

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Pioneer said:

"...there isn't a school in the United States offering a 'sex education" class that actually TEACHES the students how to have sex.  It'll all peripheral knowledge that skirts around actual intercourse itself.
Which is why nudity let alone the actual act of having sex is strictly forbidden on public airwaves in the United States while it's readily seen in other Western nations like Canada and Germany." 

Cynique replies:

LOL What sex education classes do teach is how to put on a condom, using any penis-like object to demonstrate. The particulars of male and female anatomy are also taught. As for sex, that's self-taught. Couples learn from on-the-job training, while experimenting with what works.  And the porn that is readily available on-line and cable TV features plenty of nudity. :rolleyes:  

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