Thanks Usain....For Being a Real Man!

[Pioneer1]

During an interview with GQ magazine Usain Bolt said something that most Black athletes don't have the guts to say.
He challenged the White/Western standards of morality and social ethics by plainly and openly proclaiming that it's part of his culture to have sex with many women.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/usain-bolt-culture-asked-womanizing-article-1.2874442



I've been saying for years that MOST (not all) Black men are polygamous and it's part of our nature. It's nothing to "admit" because admission implies guilt, and this is certainly not something to be ashamed or guilty of.  If anything, it's a sign of mental and physical health to be the epitome of what nature INTENDED for you to be.
It's also a sign of strength and character to buck current social trends especially hypocritical ones that claim sexual "freedom" while at the same time condeming most of those who chose to exerecise it.


I have MUCH respect (or in his home of Jamaica we'd say 'nuff rispec...lol) for Usain for publicly stating this.
If Tiger Woods.....a well known womanizer...had done the same thing instead of trying to get married and "settle down" in an attempt to imitate his middle aged White colleagues, I would have had more respect for him now.


I'm not saying that marriage itself or even monogamy is against our nature.
Black people were getting married in Africa before the White race even existed.
But the TYPE of marriage structure and the way men and women are expected to interact with eachother in general in Western society is the problem.
It's born out of the confusion of a Western psyche that exists even among self proclaimed atheists that condemn sex as the original sin in the subconscious while proclaiming sexual freedom consciously, and since most Black men don't suffer from that subconscious guilt and thus don't have that same dichotomy of confusion....they don't understand the "inappropriateness" of polygamous sexual relationships so frowned upon among so many Whites.

I've said for years that Black men need to be who WE are and we need OUR OWN standards to live by. We can't live by another man's standards and expect to be happy or successful.
Happiness and success may come to SOME Black men who attempt to live by White/Western standards of morality and ethics, but not for most because much of their standards goes against our very nature as Black men.

[Troy]

Perhaps.

First, Usain is one the most successful athletes on the planet, arguably one of the most successful ever.  He is also very, very, wealthy.  So he has far more latitude to say what he feels, good, bad, or indifferent than most people.

Second, Usain comes from the Black island of Jamaica. Unlike Tiger, Usain is 100% Black and proud of it. Tiger rejected being called "Black" and chased after white women.  For this reason and more Usain is universally accepted in his country, while Tiger is not.  Again, more reason for Usain to express himself and be quoted in the media, even if what is says is based upon, I suspect, limited knowledge of cultural and social anthropology.

Third, the NY Daily News is a tabloid barely one step above the National Inquirer. Quoting from the NY Daily News, in an of itself, weakens your argument--and it is my local newspaper.

Fourth, I read the article and you've taken quite a bit of liberty with a few Bolt quotes to assert your argument. Usain did not say he was against marriage or felt it was against Black human nature.  You've taken a young, single, famous, athlete who is making full use of his ability to bang a lot of chicks--of course that is natural.

Finally, I feel you about living by our own standards, but we also have to live in a culture that necessarily has normals and customs.  Of course, we may not like some of these norms, but collectively adhering to them or changing them in culturally accepted ways makes it easier for people with deferent beliefs to live together.

Today, there are a great many people screwing each other like rabbits here in the United States, but they keep it to themselves, excising a bit of discretion and modesty.  

Discretion is certainly one thing America can use a bit more of nowadays.

 

[Cynique]

Once again the double standard comes into play.  Men find it perfectly all right to be polygamous, attributing it to their potent sexuality and their lusty appetite for variety.  But all of this braggadocio withers at the thought of a polygamous woman enjoying the skills and charms of multiple partners.  Such women are labeled loose or nymphs or tramps.  The idea that a woman would be interested in someone in addition to him as a sex partner apparently deflates the male ego.  Instead men want chaste, monogamous, partners who don't stray from the fold. They want faithful wives with eyes only for them while, as husbands, they are not above having affairs.   tsk-tsk.         .      

[Pioneer1]

Troy


Lol....I can't argue with you on Tiger Woods.
That dude was/is just plain confused.

Ofcourse Usain is not a historian or sociologist to study the marital and sexual habits of various human populations, but he's traveled around this planet enough and is intelligent enough to recognize  that there IS a clear difference between how Black (Jamaican) men relate to women and how White (British) men relate to women in their respective societies.
He's comfortable with who HE is, and doesn't seem to be burdened with the inferiority complex so many Black men in this society have (even the wealthy and athletic) who feel that they have to live up to White expectations of morality and decency.
Most NBA and NFL players like fools get married AFTER becoming millionaires only to love most of their wealth through divorce and lawsuits....and much of this can be attributed to letting others (usually their White coaches, managers, and agents) tell them how to live their lives instead of using their own brains and living by their own terms.
 

I'm not saying that Usain is some sort of social revolutionary trying to start a movement. You're right he IS the typical athlete with a lot of dough and a sexual appetite. However what sets him apart and what I admire is his frankness in proclaiming the virility of the Jamaican (Black) man and how our ways are different and it's just who we are.
He's not trying to hide it or "explain" is behavior apologetically, he's saying it bluntly and as a matter of fact which in my opinion is bold and admirable.

Infact, I see this as more than just a horny Black man justifying his right to have as much coochie as he wants, I believe it's actually a huge step towards self identity.

I believe Black people and especially Black men finally recognizing the fact that there ARE moral/ethical differences between us and White people actually puts us that much closer to reclaiming our own identity as a people and will go far to solve the problems of dysfunction that exists with in the Black family structure and male female relationships.
When we as a group finally recognize and accept that we ARE different from White people on a psycho-social level then we'll stop trying to imitate them and their social customs and design and develp ones that will work for us.

　

 

　

　

Cynique
 

I have news for you, lol.
It's not the men who shame women for sleeping around.... OTHER WOMEN DO!
I think much of what you said about women who sleep various men being labled as tramps is more of a projection of your own thoughts about women who do this than it being the reality of how most men think.

If a man calls a woman a whore or a slut, usually her sexual behavior is the LAST thing on his mind and her sexual habits most likely had nothing to do with the insult.
Again, women are the ones most likely to lable a woman with a large sexual appetite a "whore" or "tramp"....not the men.

Ofcourse there's a double standard and I'd go as far as to say that it's unequal, but much of it is totally fair.
How?
Because most men WANT to be polygamous while most women DON'T.
No one is preventing women from sleeping around if they so wish, but most by nature don't want to sleep around. Most women are programed by nature to only be with and have interest in one man at a time. I don't think that's strange or evil, it's just nature.  I and most men respect this. 
Likewise women shoujld have the same respect for men and understand that it's in the nature of most men to want to be polygamous.

I'm personally not asking for a monogamous OR a polygamous based society, I'd rather a society of FREEDOM where everyone has the right to choose whatever kind of relationship they'd like to be in whether it's a gay relationship, a polygamous relationship, a monogamous relationship, or single and by themselves.
No "societal norms" to enforce or encourage.
Just leave people alone and let them form their relationships how they please and THAT would make me happy.

[Troy]

Pioneer, I'm sure you'd agree that the sexual appetites of people, of both sexes, lie on a spectrum; from a desire for complete abstinence on one end to catch-get-enough or the other.

I simply don't know what the relative distribution of men and women across the races are on this spectrum.  But I'm certain you can find Black men on the abstinence side of the spectrum.

I'd agree with Cynique that there is a double standard; a man can boast about multiple partners and be envied and revered, while a woman would be scorned or pitied.  Image how that gymnast Gabby Douglass would be treated if she went around bragging about how she banged all the dudes on the men's basketball team.  She can't even have a hair out of place for Christ's sake.

I suspect women are just as promiscuous as men--it just isn't culturally accepted for to them to admit it.  Besides, all these guys are not screwing the same woman over and over.  It takes two to Tango Bruh.

Anecdotally, I see much more evidence that white folks are far more promiscuous that Black folks who generally profess a far more conservative sensibility. The  media seems to reinforce the perception that white folks start having sex at a younger age and have more partner than Back folks.  White folks led the sexual revolution; invented viagra, swingers clubs, the porn industry, tinder, NAMBLA, and on...

What is the first thing a European imperialist does when he invades a country? Before he steals a thing, he rapes the women.

Nah man, I'd have a hard time believing Black men are more promiscuous than anyone else, Brothers just feel the need to brag about it more.  

Sadly too many of us derive our self-worth from the number of sexual partners we have and take too little responsibility for the consequences of so many partners; including the transmission of STD's and children no one wants to rear.

[Cynique]

On 11/18/2016 at 10:27 PM, Pioneer1 said:

It's not the men who shame women for sleeping around.... OTHER WOMEN DO!
I think much of what you said about women who sleep various men being labled as tramps is more of a projection of your own thoughts about women who do this than it being the reality of how most men think.

Men do shame women for sleeping around.  They certainly don't approve of this behavior enough to want to marry a promiscuous woman, because the male ego can't deal with the idea of wedding  a women who a lot of other men have had, not to mention the fear of being unable to measure up to some of her other partners. (Just like men are intimidated by vibrators, fearing that they spoil women and raise they're expectations when it comes to being satisfied) 

I don't judge women who have multiple sex partners as long as they're discreet. More power to them if they can pull it off.  LOL

[Pioneer1]

Troy

If you agree with Cynique about the double standard then you'll have to agree with me too because I'm the first to admit it and bring it up.
There is INDEED a double standard between men and women and it's well warranted because men and women tend to had different desires when it comes to mating.

Most healthy men tend to want to spread their seed around to as many women as possible to spread their genes.
Most women tend to want to hold only one good solid man that can rely on to protect and provide for her and her offspring.
Those different desires lead to different expectations among the sexes that has led to that double standard.

Sexuality in this society becomes even more confusing when race is taken into consideration.

We're living in a society that accuses Black men of being sexual brutes and potential rapists to be fears, and has historically condemned sex as a sin, in some cases the original sin, and as something low down and base on the level of an animal.

But at the same time as we progress from a sexually repressed age to a more enlightened age of freedom and open mindedness where sex is seen as recreationals and even therapudic......now you see more and more Whites trying to claim their sexuality.

So unlike the past where there was a blanket condemnation of sex as a necessary evil, today there's a dichotomy to be dealt with in the Westerns psyche.
On one end this society has to condemn Black sexuality as hyper aggressive and brutish, while on the other uplifting White sexuality as a form of therapy psychological relief.
 

　

Cynique

Both men and women tend to frown upon women who sleep around, but women tend to be the harshest and most vocal.

While a man who sleeps around is said to be confident and full of himself, a woman who sleeps around is claimed to have LOW self esteem and allows herself to be "used" and taken advantage of.
But it's usually not men who are saying this...7 times out of 10 it's women sitting on the couch gossipping among themselves about a particular woman.

One thing you ARE right about....men generally don't want to hear about a woman's past sexual relationships.
It reminds me of the joke Chris Rock told when he said that no matter how many partners a woman may have had before....it'll always be "too many" for the guy she's currently with.

[Troy]

... or the Andrew Dice Clay but where he asks some married dude in the audience if his wife gave good head when they first met. The response is always a sheepish, "yeah," to which the the Diceman quickly retorts, "How do you think she got that way--oooh!" 

So while we made certainly agree on the double standard applied to men versus women with regards to public perceptions regarding sexual promiscuity, we diverge on the belief that only men have a desire to be sexually promiscuous.  

I think is should be obvious that women are not all that different in the sex desire for sex with different partners--certainly not as different as you suggest.  Again, who would be available for all these men to copulate with?

I think your assumptions that women have a desire for less sexual activity with fewer partners is more a reflection of your internalization of the double standard we all grew up with rather what is actually true.