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22 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:


The fact is, race is a CONCEPT.....an idea
And it's very hard and next to impossible to invalidate a CONCEPT.



 

If a theory is analogous to a concept, it can be proven reasonably. 

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@Delano, what does what you just wrote mean?  I mean, Pioneer's last statement is not one that anyone has disagreed with.  What new information are you trying to convey?

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On 2/17/2018 at 5:21 PM, Troy said:

what does what you just wrote mean?  I mean, Pioneer's last statement is not one that anyone has disagreed with.  What new information are you trying to convey?

Pioneer disagreed with it until he inadvertently ended up agreeing with your original claim that race is a concept - a construct, not a fact.  The marathon debate came full circle, and you can claim victory!  

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The victory is that Pioneer now understands that race is an artificial construct.... the victory is his not mine ;)

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Troy

It is fascinating to see how malleable your thought process is. Rather that just concede that you now agree with what I've been saying all along you have the balls to write; "The fact is, race is a CONCEPT.....an idea" and make it seem like you are making a revelation?!


Man what are you talking about?
Since day one I have AGREED with you that race was a human construct!

Infact, if you look at the FIRST PAGE OF THIS VERY THREAD I all abut said this very thing when I told you:


"Just because it's a human construct, doesn't mean it doesn't exist."

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/4850-actually-troy/?page=1

 
I've NEVER denied that the concept of race was a human construct.
So are the concepts of "sex" and "gender".


I said that race was a way of CATEGORIZING PEOPLE and all categories are human constructs.
 


 

At any rate, given that statement, one you've seemly integrated, unconsciously, that idea that race is just an idea without basis in genetics.


Again, I've NEVER denied that race was a human construct.

What I said WAS NOT a "human construct" were the PHENOTYPICAL FEATURES (skin color, eye color, hair color and texture, nose/lip shape) that the racial categories are based upon.
Those are physical genetically based features.

Just like SEX is a human construct, but the PENIS and VAGINA that the construct of sex is based upon is NOT.

I also told you that just because something is a human construct, doesn't mean it has no validity.

Literacy is a human construct.....but it's valid and useful.
Counting is a human construct....but it's valid and useful.
Medicine and health care are human constructs.....but they are valid and useful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cynique

This is yet another example of how you CHANGE your position just to oppose me, lol.
We know that you AGREE with my idea that various races exist....yet you pretend that you're agreeing with Troy.

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@Pioneer1i do not agree with your idea that various races exist. After Troy brought me up to date on the subject, i accepted the single race findings, instead of the artificial construct one.   

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7 minutes ago, Cynique said:

i do not agree with your idea that various races exist. After Troy brought me up to date on the subject, i accepted the single race findings, instead of the artificial construct one.   


I'm not sure at what point you changed your mind....maybe you can show us the thread or give us a link where you actually did this before me pointing our your inconsistency on this issue.
Anyway.....

While it's true that race is a MAN MADE construct, it's not an ARTIFICIAL one.

Artificial constructs ARE man-made, but that doesn't mean that all man-made constructs are artificial.

Artificial things are a REPLICA or COPY of the original.

The concept of race.....to my knowledge....is an original idea/concept that was used to classify human beings.
It's not a copy of another.

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Just now, Cynique said:

i said i accepted Troy's update.  Believe it or not.  


And I said I wanted PROOF of your conversion.....so "not"....until I get what I asked for.

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i have no intentions of  proving something to you.  i am not obligated to comply with your demands.  Believe what you want to believe. Makes me no difference. 

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6 minutes ago, Cynique said:

i have no intentions of  proving something to you.  i am not obligated to comply with your demands.  Believe what you want to believe. Makes me no difference. 

 


I hope you don't talk like that to your 72 year old stud muffin you say is always asking you to come over so he can "rock your world".....lol.

 

Image result for old black man

 

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Captain obvious (@Pioneer1) of course phenotypic differences are genetically based no one disputed that, why are you trying to make it a point of contention?

 

Bottom line, you understand race is an artificial construct with no basis in genetics and that there is only one human race  What else is there to discuss?

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11 hours ago, Troy said:

Captain obvious (@Pioneer1) of course phenotypic differences are genetically based no one disputed that, why are you trying to make it a point of contention?

 

Bottom line, you understand race is an artificial construct with no basis in genetics and that there is only one human race  What else is there to discuss?

 

 

So basically you've decided to:

-IGNORE everything I said in my previous post......

-PUT WORDS into my mouth and attribute to me a position that I've never taken.....

-then proceed to argue against that position and claim victory?

OK.....

Lol....shame, shame, shame.

 

 

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I have no problem accepting there being only one race inasmuch as all humans walk upright on 2 legs, have the opposing thumbs and forefingers that enabled them to pick up objects to use as tools, and how any of its females can be impregnated by any of its males all of whom laugh and cry. All other differences are superficial and expedient, as far as i'm concerned.   

 

This debate  exposed the difference between being a doubter and being a die-hard.  A doubter is not wedded to one point of view. Troy was the winner when it came to objectivity.  And of course, this opinion could be deemed by some as a subjective one, knowing my disregard for pioneer.   So be it.

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Cynique

I have no problem accepting there being only one race inasmuch as all humans walk upright on 2 legs, have the opposing thumbs and forefingers that enabled them to pick up objects to use as tools,


I suppose you have no problem accepting there being only ONE SEX or ONE GENDER also since most humans share the same physical characteristics you mentioned above.
 

 

 

And of course, this opinion could be deemed by some as a subjective one, knowing my disregard for pioneer.


......especially after I EXPOSED that disregard, lol.

I felt it only fair that everyone who reads your prejudicial statments will know the REAL reasons behind them.

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@Pioneer1My! How energized you've become! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  And, did i mention that i accept the scientific determination that there is only one race????  Time for you to pull up a picture of my boy-toy, a pathetic gesture that says more about you than him.   (Too bad that instead of using an avatar, you hide behind the picture of a prominent man in the desperate hope that some of his sheen will rub off on you. No way. ) LMAO.

 

 

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Cynique

How energized you've become! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


It's funny how you end up saying the SAME THING three nights in a row....lol.

1. Last night....you said it to ME.

2. The night before....you said it to your 72 year old boy-FRIEND after he took is "magic pills".

3. And the night before THAT.....you said it to your original boy-TOY after replacing the batteries in it, lol.

 

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