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A. Topless. Woman. Lunged. Herself. At. Bill. Cosby,She. Was,Tackled. By. Police.  She. Said. She. Wanted. To. Make ,Bill. Cosby. Feel. Uncomfortable. Like. He. Has. Made. Women. Feel,Uncomfortable.  News. Said. He. Paid. One. Of. His. Accusers. Over. 3. Million. Dollars..Dozens. Of. Women. Say,They. We're. Drugged. By. Bill. Cosby. .Trump ,Lawyer,Office,Hotel. Room. Raided By. FBI.  Trump. Wants. ,His,Former. Lovers. ,The. Porn. Star,Play Boy  Model,Their. Mouths,Shut....He. Does. Not. Know. About. His. Lawyer. Paying. The. Porn. Star. Money,........HA ,HA....

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Lol, that just shows you the difference between the thinking of men and women.

How in the hell is a young topless woman bouncing her breasts all over an older man supposed to make him "feel uncomfortable" ????




:D Now, getting a naked MAN to do it........lol.

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Hey people, isn't this what happens in a patriarchy society? Is a woman any less innocent than the man who makes her an offer she can't refuse? He evaluated her weaknesses, assessed her wants and/or needs and made her an offer. Whether a casual drinker, illicit drug abuser, topless dancer, or aspiring actress, she got what she wanted and Bill got what he wanted. Might matters been different if she didn't drink, use drugs, or aspired for fame in the entertainment industry?

 

It's BS the U.S. is all-of-sudden shocked by how men get pussy, and women get what they want; even if they have to go to Court to get it. Serves him right; though, for submitting to White male ways to fulfill his needs. Thank God, for his own sake, he can afford it. We raise our daughters like products on a shelf, the more educated and attractive, the more expensive shelf she goes on; hence, the more she's worth. The only thing that's changed about the oldest profession know to man is women's awareness of her worth and methods to use it. Likewise, we teach our young men in ways of traditional society. Men don't cry, be strong and never run, and never be weak.

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@Troy, @Delano,  @Tanny:

 

People engaged in argumentative discourse are characteristically oriented towards resolving a difference of opinion and may be regarded as committed to norms instrumental in achieving this purpose—maintaining certain standards of reasonableness and expecting others to comply with the same critical standards. 

 

Like [an] abduction, induction proceeds from premises about something that has been found to be the case (a set of observations) to a conclusion that provides a likely explanation of them [the man who makes her an offer she can't refuse]. We may never, in principle, be certain about the truth value of that conclusion, but, as in abduction, it does have one.The fact that the theme of rhetorical and other practical argumentation is not truth but choice explains why such argumentation is unconcerned with truth and legitimizes that unconcern. Needless to say, however, the unconcern with truth in practical reasoning is not legitimate in regard to premises.

 

The premise that a parent would "feel differently if Bill drugged and sexually abused you, or your daughter, or your mother?" Appear to be unconcerned with the truth. That a parent who rears a female family member or  adore's her with admiration of he beauty and intelligence may be setting the female-up for abuse in a patriarchy society of male perverts. Or is this something new to us?

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On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 8:18 PM, Troy said:

QueenX, I wonder if you would feel differently if Bill drugged and sexually abused you, or your daughter, or your mother?


Excellent question......

Which is why I'm not too crazy about running to Cosby's defense.


This may indeed be a set up and conspiracy to take advantage of him and break him financially and otherwise; however IF (and I say "if" because I wasn't there) it's true that he drugged women to sexually abuse or assault them, then that would make him a rapist and adulterer and I can't really get behind somebody like that.

All I can say about the issue is I hope the entire truth comes out and then I can form a more educated opinion on the matter.

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Okay, Pioneer1, we don't need to defend Bill - because he exercised cruel unethical methods to get sex. He deserves punishment for trying to do What White get away with all the time.  To condemn him, however, and I do, is to condemn virtually every male in America. And we should be condemned because we're all adopted ways of the American White male.  Moreover,  the women must be condemned as well. None, and I mean none is his accusers are exactly innocent in what they say happened to them. I think they should get paid because Bill left himself open to be sued.

 

I do not, however, believe a Court of Law will prosecute him criminally. Maybe he'll learn to get laid that way is expensive and has long-term consequences. In other words, we men are out-of-order, the female population is out-of-order, and America is out-of-order; what need to do is STOP, right now and get ourselves in-order. But it's probably too late to make a difference.

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I'm not saying that the women are innocent and clean.
And ofcourse White men do what Bill has done and MUCH WORSE on a regular basis.
Harvey Weinstein and the rest of those Hollywood men being accused have YET to stand trial for their alleged crimes.

But Bill Cosby is NOT White.
And if he KNOWS he's not White and knows he will not be able to get away with what they do....then why even try it?


It's like a Black kid selling dope and when he get's caught and arrested he's yellling and shouting,

 

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"See....see....dat ain't right cuz' dem White boys sell all types of acid and meth and shit but yall ain't  arrestin' dem!!!"

.....and he's saying it as he's being handcuffed and they're pushing his nappy head down into the back of the police cruiser.


Wrong is wrong.

You can't justify the wrong you're doing by pointing the finger at White folks and what they're allowed to get away with.

Bill Cosby was a multi-millionaire through out most of his life.
He had more than enough money to fly around this planet and BRING BACK all the women he wanted to have sex with without breaking any type of law and he would have been well within his rights to do so.

Instead he chose to get tricky with these White women and now has to give them half his money.


It's the same with Tiger Woods and all the foolishness he's been through.

If the man was a sex addict, why in the hell would he get married in the first place?

He had millions of dollars to fly around the world and have sex with as many women as he chose without the liablitity of marriage and divorce; yet for some dumb reason he felt compelled to marry a White woman who was cleaning his house and let her make a fool out of him by divorcing him and now SHE'S got half his money.

It's that WHITE WOMAN MAGIC that drives some of these negroes stone damn crazy to the point the lose all common sense!!

And Serena Williams is gonna end up making the same mistake.

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Right, again, Pioneer1, I think Serena Williams should talk to Aretha Franklin about White men. However, I am not concerned with what White men and women do, they've always been like that. Black folk too, have always been that way; but we were coming out this way of being since before we were brought to America. 

 

There was a time when our morals, ideas, and ways of living was not desire for more than we needed, homosexuality, and preversion. In fact, the only constant, since the beginning of the written word was; patriarchy. Every society of every age have practiced male dominance over females. The question is, can that ever be changed?

 

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Every society of every age have practiced male dominance over females. The question is, can that ever be changed?

 

To ANSWER your question.....

I don't think so because by our very natures men have more testosterone and this makes us more aggressive and more dominant.
Estrogen makes women more nurturing and submissive.

This is just basic biology so unless the chemistry of human beings change, I doubt the roles will.

However I believe that women can and should BE TREATED MUCH BETTER in this world than they have been and currrently are.



However to pose ANOTHER question......

I would ask you, do we really want it to change?

Based on my interactions with MOST women....I don't think most of them really WANT to be in a leadership or ruling position.
They just don't want to be abused.
Most of them seem to have an innate nature of wanted to be "taken care of" and protected by a man.

Not all....but most.

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UH OH, there you go again, with another honest, thought provoking question. Psychologically, I tend to agree with you. That's more true for White women than Black women; wanting, needing to provided essentials for life. Watch it, these sisters will eat you alive and raw for saying that any more than a question! 

 

What do I want to see changed? People, all of them; female, male, Black, White, young old, whatever gender get what they need for their survival. But as the saying goes; "you please most the people some time, even all the time; but not all the people all the time." I think!  

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I have to be careful not to say ALL Black women or even Black women in general when I make certain statments and focus my subject on AFROAMERICAN women in specific.

I've noticed that AFRICAN women from the continent of Africa tend to be totally different.
I've dated a few African women (if you want to call it that....lol) and they seem to love it when a man makes the money and takes charge and even seem to expect it.



What do I want to see changed? People, all of them; female, male, Black, White, young old, whatever gender get what they need for their survival.


I want to see that too.
However the question is WHO WILL THE GET IT FROM?

In other words.........

Everyone needs housing, but not everyone can build their own house!
Everyone needs food, but not everyone can grow and prepare their own food!
Everyone needs clothing, but not everyone knows how to make their own clothes!
Everyone needs medical care from timt to time, but not everyone knows medicine!

 

The people who have the knowledge to PROVIDE these things are the ones who will be in power whether we like this or not.

 

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Yes, but those Black women do a better job at their contributing share to the family than most of us Black males. i like the idea of using the term 'Black woman, Black Americans woman, anything Black. A White woman born in Africa is considered African, it's no-longer separate identity. So, the next time you hear African American, don't assume they're specking about Black folk!

 

See, a man will use his physical strength to survive, a woman will use her beauty and body to survive. Each will do whatever it takes to get what he/she wants. That's what Bill Cosby did, and he's going to pay for doing while Black. And it serves him right!

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I've considered the different options and have settled on the term AFRO-AMERICAN to describe most of our people here in the United States as opposed to "Black" or "African American".

AFROAMERICAN isn't a race....it's an ethnic group.
And that's just what we are, an ethnic group.

Many of us...a larger percentage....aren't racially Black.
We have been mixed with too many Whites and Native Americans to be considered actually Black or African but the vast majority of us share the same culture and sub-culture and history so that ties us together as an ethnic group.


I feel the term AFRICAN AMERICAN should be reserved for the immigrants from the various African nations who come to America and become residents or citizens.

There is power in words and I like to be PRECISE in my wording.

Infact, one of the tricks of racism is to CAUSE CONFUSION among Black people over who and what they are by constantly having you call yourself something you aren't so that the doubt in your mind slows down your thinking and actions.

That's why I believe our people (Americans of African descent) need to start taking their own identity into our own hands instead of letting other people classify us.

 




See, a man will use his physical strength to survive, a woman will use her beauty and body to survive. Each will do whatever it takes to get what he/she wants.


True dat.

And today a lot of men are using THEIR beauty by becoming gigoloes and a lot of women are using THEIR physical strength by becoming butch type lesbians.  Desparate people do desprate things, and so do people with no scruples.

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"It's BS the U.S. is all-of-sudden shocked by how men get pussy, and women get what they want; even if they have to go to Court to get it. Serves him right; though, for submitting to White male ways to fulfill his needs."

 

Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny! Being a white male has absolutely nothing to do with sexually assaulting, exploiting or raping a woman. ALL RACES AND ETHNICITIES OF MEN SEXUALLY ABUSE AND RAPE WOMEN! Cosby was found guilty today and it is a good thing. The man is sexual viper and predator. His wealth and fame could not protect him this time. Justice was served...

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@Xeon:

Yes, like I said, “Serves him right for submitting to White men ways …” For him, it has everything to do with it! You are right too, all of us men have the potential to be A***holes when it comes to females. Though, to keep myself in check I find it convenient to place blame on the Whiteman, not want to be that way. Live differently and place blame on myself later. 

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On 4/14/2018 at 12:03 AM, Kalexander2 said:

Hey people, isn't this what happens in a patriarchy society?

 

Yep @Kalexander2... and I blame the Ancient Africans for all this bullshit. When we were an egalitarian society , a true civilization and ran the neandarthals into the caves ..life was good.  When some of the Africans decided they wanted to be nobility it was the beginning of the end ... we get patriarchy which led to slavery - and coveting and stealing and corruption...

 

And OMG @Pioneer1  would you  take a night class in biology - ESTROGEN does not make women submissive  It's a hormone!  - estrogen is hormone that regulates a woman's menses ... it allows her to drop an egg looking for fertilization... and if it's not fertilized the estrogen level drops...  But here's the kicker women have both our testosterone and estrogen hormones as do men and they both fluctuate in varying levels.. Any imbalance in those hormones then yes we may experience physical problems - but please stop mixing biology with sociology...

gender stereotypes in this day and age is just plain ignorant.   

 

 

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ESTROGEN does not make women submissive It's a hormone!


Testosterone is a hormone too....and it MAKES MEN MORE AGGRESSIVE.

Whether or not estrogen makes women submissive is irrelevant.
The fact is men have far more testosterone than women and THAT'S what makes men more aggressive.

 

 

 

 

 

But here's the kicker women have both our testosterone and estrogen hormones as do men and they both fluctuate in varying levels.. Any imbalance in those hormones then yes we may experience physical problems - but please stop mixing biology with sociology...

gender stereotypes in this day and age is just plain ignorant.


LMAO!!!

The REAL KICKER is the fact that you just made this statement ONLY MINUTES after I PREDICTED YOU WOULD!!!!!!


In another thread I said:

"Next thing you'll be saying the concept of male and female doesn't exist because ALL HUMANS have both testosterone and estrogen. "

 

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5137-pulitzer-prize-winning-emcee/?page=2


AND YOU BASICALLY SAID IT 2 OR 3 MINUTES LATER. IN THIS THREAD....LOL.


Man oh man.....
I don't understand why I can predict people so much yet I'm still not rich (yet).

I don't understand it...lol.


 

 

and I blame the Ancient Africans for all this bullshit. When we were an egalitarian society , a true civilization and ran the neandarthals into the caves ..life was good. When some of the Africans decided they wanted to be nobility it was the beginning of the end ... we get patriarchy which led to slavery - and coveting and stealing and corruption...

 

((Pioneer holds up a an index finger))

Uhhhh actually.....

Ancient Egypt or Kemet thrived under male kings, but when they started getting female leaders like Cleopatra....that's when the civilization collapsed and ended up being conquered.

African society was more egalitarian than Europe...true.
But the men were still leaders.

We African became more matriarchal.....that welcoming nature of women allowed more outside invaders to come in and take advantage of the resources and eventually conquer the people.

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46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Ancient Egypt or Kemet thrived under male kings, but when they started getting female leaders like Cleopatra....that's when the civilization collapsed and ended up being conquered.

 

Ancient KMT wasn't the beginning of civilization... but"thriving" is what led to slavery... and the rest will get you what we got.  By the way,  cleopatra was african and greek .  You will have to get your timeline right... many women had ruled before then... as soon as rulers came into play the egalitarian society was long gone

52 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

The fact is men have far more testosterone than women and THAT'S what makes men more aggressive.

 

What makes some men more aggressive is psychological programming.   But like I said, I don't mix biology with sociology.... Human pathological tendencies have too many causes.

58 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/5137-pulitzer-prize-winning-emcee/?page=2


AND YOU BASICALLY SAID IT 2 OR 3 MINUTES LATER. IN THIS THREAD....LOL.

 

 

And that's because there's some kind of glitch on the board - so when you quote a comment- in one thread after just responding to another thread - it merges the quotes no matter where you're responding. 

It happened to me earlier but I caught and just deleted the response .   @Troy have you noticed this?

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Yeah, Ms. Hopkins; I was shocked that (in Papua New Guinea) homosexuality, promiscuity was part of their culture, rampant actually. That young women receive gifts from their fathers to adore their bodies to be attracted to young men for early sex. And that young men are encouraged to engage in oral sex with older men for complete manhood; to avoid keep his sexual desires in check.

 

And, what used to an equalitarian society is now a cultural practice of appeasing the “Big Man (politician)” for political favors. Yeah, we Black folks were the first to set the stage for what the world is today!!

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Right again Ms. Hopkins: I often go to the desert area here Israel and converse with a nomadic people called the "Bedouins" who are dark-skinned; some very dark skin. Palestinians, they to be of claim African and Greek descent. Many are displaced today because Israel wants their land too. My numerous visits to Egypt were also informative. i.e., corruption and male dominance are so oppressive. Went to a casino there and one of the Prince's was gambling while the 'dealer' was 'stacking' the cards in his favor, caught it right away and took a snapshot with my iPhone. They took my iPhone and gave me $250 in gambling chips, I refused and was given a new (locked) iPhone. Didn't know it was locked til days later. 

 

Apparently, they didn't want an American wearing a Press badge taking pictures of the Prince gambling. I hate Egypt (Jordan too) but looking forward to vacationing deep in the desert this summer. 

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Ancient KMT wasn't the beginning of civilization...


Did anyone on here say it was?

I believe it was just the TAIL END of a much more grand Black civilization that existed millions of years.

 

 


By the way, cleopatra was african and greek


OK?
Thanks for telling me what I already knew and , that's not quite the way I would "word" it.
African is a race and Greek is a nationality.
Perhaps African and Caucasian would be a better choice of words, but yes she was mixed race.

 

 

 


What makes some men more aggressive is psychological programming. But like I said, I don't mix biology with sociology.... Human pathological tendencies have too many causes.


I suppose the only reason women have babies and almost no men can is due to "psychological programming" too.....lol.

Look, psychological programming is only a PART of why men univesally tend to be more aggressive than women.
A much greater part of it is the fact that they have a preponderance of testosterone which MAKES ONE more assertive and dominant.

 

 

"Atavistic residues of aggressive behavior prevailing in animal life, determined by testosterone, remain attenuated in man and suppressed through familial and social inhibitions. However, it still manifests itself in various intensities and forms from; thoughts, anger, verbal aggressiveness, competition, dominance behavior, to physical violence. Testosterone plays a significant role in the arousal of these behavioral manifestations in the brain centers involved in aggression and on the development of the muscular system that enables their realization."
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/


Biology HEAVILY INFLUENCES the sociology.
 

 

 

 

And that's because there's some kind of glitch on the board - so when you quote a comment- in one thread after just responding to another thread - it merges the quotes no matter where you're responding.

It happened to me earlier but I caught and just deleted the response .


Huh??????

I'm not sure what you're talking about but again....

I PREDICTED that you would use the fact that both males and females have both testosterone and estrogent (at varying amounts) to prove that there were no differences between men and women.....and you pretty much did so with your above statement.

I'm not sure what "glitch" you're talking about.






K2

 

 

I was shocked that (in Papua New Guinea) homosexuality, promiscuity was part of their culture, rampant actually. That young women receive gifts from their fathers to adore their bodies to be attracted to young men for early sex. And that young men are encouraged to engage in oral sex with older men for complete manhood; to avoid keep his sexual desires in check.


Homosexuality exists in every society, but in natural conditions probably less than 5% of the population of any society is homosexual.
I believe it to be a natural form of birth control to keep the population in check.

But Western society takes it and promotes it and encourages it to the point of it being destructive and unnatural.




Palestinians, they to be of claim African and Greek descent.


Palestinians or PHILLUSTEENS (as they call themselves) are related to the Berber peoples of North Africa. Both groups are mixed today, but originally both groups were WHITE PEOPLE from the Greek islands and were known as "sea people".




Apparently, they didn't want an American wearing a Press badge taking pictures of the Prince gambling.


Funny you never mentioned anything about a "press badge" or you working for the press UNTIL Mel mentioned her career in journalism....lol.

I thought Muslims weren't supposed to gamble....what are casinos doing overthere??

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11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

I suppose the only reason women have babies and almost no men can is due to "psychological programming" too.....lol.

Look, psychological programming is only a PART of why men univesally tend to be more aggressive than women.
A much greater part of it is the fact that they have a preponderance of testosterone which MAKES ONE more assertive and dominant.

 

 

@Pioneer1   

 

Biology is a hard science where the facts of don't change from person to person.   Sexual reproduction is biology.. it has nothing to do with sociology... when you talk about gender stereotypes you leave the area of biology and venture into social construct.   Testosterone doesn't make a man or anyone aggressive..


Like I said  initially take a class in biology. Preferably let a qualified instructor teach the class.  

 

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Troy, I just don't believe he did this. I don't have a daughter.I don't feel that men should treat women like this but why did she wait all this time to prosecute him?

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I had heard in the 90's from a friend that worked in the industry. That he was a nasty piece of work. And my friend didn't gossip about the industry.

Camille told the truth that's not the man she knows. Which is not the same as he is innocent.

18 hours ago, Mel Hopkins said:

 

1. prescribed placebos cure patients ...

2. synthetic testosterone might contain steroids 

3. she was already pissed at him when she swallowed... 

Could be which is why I said it was anecdotal. 

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You know,another thing that makes me sick.There are younger men out here committing more heinous crimes of violent rape and murder of children as well

as women.They get light sentences and walk the street like they've done nothing wrong.A man let his baby boy drown to death and got 1 year in jail.I don't see where anybody forced her to drink and get drunk with Mr.Cosby.When you are young you do stupid things.Now she is bringing stuff up 30 years later and an old man(Cosby) has to go to prison for the rest of his life.I think that's silly.

And let me say something about the whole "Me Too" scenario.That has gotten out of hand.Tom Brokaw got to loose his job or reputation because he alledgedly kissed a woman.

Even Donald Trump did nasty things with women but he's still the president.

I will check the article out:research a clinical psychologist did on all the accusers of Cosby.I do need to know more about this case.

 

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Yeah, Queen X, I still say "thank God he can afford it," I do not believe Cosby will spend one-day in prison, maybe on several years 'house arrest,' or some other program that'll keep him out of jail. We are not the only ones who's questioning motives of the plaintiff's and/or the easy to manipulate jury flock. 

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On 4/29/2018 at 11:17 AM, Guest QueenX said:

I don't see where anybody forced her to drink and get drunk with Mr.Cosby.When you are young you do stupid things.Now she is bringing stuff up 30 years later and an old man(Cosby) has to go to prison for the rest of his life.I think that's silly.

 

Queen X,  exactly!!! By her own words he didn't force her... and that should have rendered a not guilty charge... (The Pennsylvania code § 3125 defines two degrees of the crime aggravated indecent assault, each with associated punishments. The degree of the crime depends on the specifics of the crime committed, with higher degrees of the charge generally receiving harsher punishments.)

 

He offered he pills to "help" her relax and she took them.  WHO DOES THAT?  

BUT my problem with this case and all the claims that followed for all these filthy monsters... is why did these women allow other women go into the monster's dungeon?   They should have at least warned their friends who would have warned others... We all know of that mom, aunt or cousin who won't let their children go near "uncle bill"... maybe no one has called the police but at least everyone in the family and on the block knows "uncle bill is pedophile " and that's why he's shunned.   

What's up with all these women waiting 20-30-effing years to "tell"?

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Uncle Bill admitted in court in 2005 , that he bought drugs to have sex with young women. The prosecution them asked if they women did so voluntarily. His lawyer objected before Bill Cosby could answer. So the question is why anyone is trying to rationalise his guilt. 

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"When main accuser Andrea Constand took the witness stand during the trial, she told the jury that one night in January 2004, Cosby gave her three blue pills he called "friends" to relax her."  From NPR


There's no mention here of  Bill Cosby forcing the 3 blue pills down her throat.

 

However, I don't need to rationalize cosby's guilt or innocence. I don't really care about him.    

What I care about is accountability.  While this woman couldn't give consent to have sex if she's under the influence ; where is her accountability?  How about not take pills just because Bill offered them.  

Women are either accountable for their actions or they're not.  If they are not, then the whole feminist/equality argument goes out of the window.   

 

 

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Yeah I have to admit after learning more about Constand's behavior the the $3MM this case does not site right with me.  I did not even know she willingly took the pills.  Sheesh.  Again I'm sure it was the testimony by the other women that made the difference.

 

Is Harvey, 45, and all the other dirt bags gong to go to jail too.  I think they will put Cosby in Jail.  They have to don't they he was convicted.. isn't that how it works?  

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