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6 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Excuse me! I think you mean 'distract' eyeballs.

 

No, I actually atrract eyeballs, as in attract eyeballs to their platforms to collect more behavioral data and serve more advertisements.

 

But to your point, it serves to distract us from understanding and knowing what is important.

 

6 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

We can learn more from lies than the truth.

 

This logic of the statement completely

escapes me. Perhaps an example of this would help.

 

6 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Your prediction 45 will finish his term and/or reelected appeared circumstantially based, not on historical or legal facts, but on reasonable speculation; is little more than a hunch.

 

Still my reasoning proved far more accurate than your consumption of lies. I'll still with ignoring social provides news and stick with books, long form articles, and lectures by knowledgable people.

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7 hours ago, Troy said:

@Delano that right there is why we see things so differently

Exactly I can tell by your comment you aren't watching the news on Trump not even spot checking. At some point do you binge to catch up on what you may have missed? 

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18 minutes ago, Troy said:

attract eyeballs to their platforms to collect more behavioral data and serve more advertisements

 

And even then the attracted eyeballs see', at least, some accurate data. It's how data miners, advertisers, and BS artists establish credibility. Do you not know how to distinguish fact from fiction? Contrary to conventional wisdom, the trees are not a distraction from seeing the forest; they are in the forest. But you won't find any whales or sharks there. If you get my point.

 

31 minutes ago, Troy said:

This logic of the statement completely

escapes me. Perhaps an example of this would help.

 

Who cares about honest, popular truths we already know. What's important is the explanation behind reasons of why anyone would obscure a truth. i.g., "I already know the truth, that 45 is a wannabe con man dictator who merits impeachment"; that truth isn't important. What's important is why anyone would think otherwise. More important is the explanation behind that reason. This way of looking at matters serves to validate or invalidate my cynicism. Keeps me open-minded and reasonable safe from buying BS.

 

45 minutes ago, Troy said:

my reasoning proved far more accurate

 

Drawing from your inferences and conclusions, from books alone does little more than form your ideas; and those ideas, further shaped by 'so-called' "long-form articles, and lectures by knowledgeable people" render you an extension of someone else. If you truly know the truth, as you infer then the lies you seek to avoid leaves you incomplete and misinformed, still.

 

Information, truths, and lies are like healthy cobalt for the body, you get it by eating a little of everything in your local supermarket.

 

My reasoning, I try inductive and deductive logic. But my particular way of thinking, especially when based on what I think is good judgment often remain wanting. Just like you and most people. Hence, you winning that last wager was not act or prediction of genius; it was speculation made on a hunch. Please, don't fall into the trap of denouncing daily intake of information, whether social media or news (left and right-wing). The truth lay in everything and to find it you must look everywhere.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Troy said:

You follow the news regularly. I don't.  However, I knew 45 would still be in office after two years and you did not believe he would.  How did consuming all that minute by minute news coverage help you?  Serious question whether you choose to answer it or not think about it.

Think about the name of this thread. It's an Astrological Prediction. Also our second bet you only pay if he is either impeached or terminated in January. Which is an astrological prediction. Like I said of I get it wrong I'll give up on political prediction. 

 

As an aside I have given up on trying to convince people that astrology works. Actually I moving to not trying to convince anyone to rethink their position.  So may post my go from beige to straight white bread 

 

 

1 hour ago, Kalexander2 said:

"I already know the truth, that 45 is a wannabe con man dictator who merits impeachment"; that truth isn't important. What's important is why anyone would think otherwise

Good point. What's the answer 

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51 minutes ago, Kalexander2 said:

Do you not know how to distinguish fact from fiction?

 

Not always. It depends. 

 

You believed that 45 would not last two years. Why? What "facts" led you to that conclusion?

 

I told you the truth and you rejected it, losing $50 in the process. Even this very moment you dismiss my recognizing the truth as "speculation made on a hunch!?" 

 

So you can't see it. That is fine. You will. The question is will you accept the truth next year?

 

1 minute ago, Delano said:

Which is an astrological prediction. Like I said of I get it wrong I'll give up on political prediction. 

 

Ok, point taken.

 

So in this case my so called  "hunch," "Trumped" astrology huh?

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2 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

So in this case my so called  "hunch," "Trumped" astrology huh

No your hunch trumped my delineation. 

If I win the next bet then astrology wins over your analysis or truth. 

 

It's like if a Black person commits a crime it's all Black people. If a Black person succeeds They are an individual.

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18 minutes ago, Troy said:

You believed that 45 would not last two years. Why? What "facts" led you to that conclusion?

 

 

It was inductive reasoning;  45's behavior and official findings based on truths provided some evidence they'll force him out of office, my conclusion. Logic is neither right nor wrong, except in formal science. And deductive reasoning, derived from many sources. Loss of $50 bucks, because 45 lasted two-years, does not make me wrong. Technically, nor you a winner, That charity is the winner. Reasonably logical!

 

37 minutes ago, Delano said:

Good point. What's the answer

 

Conclusively, Robert Mueller's impeccable reputation of honor and impartiality lack the guts to call a spade a spade; well hidden behind his white male Republican agenda most likely coordinated with Barr, and others, to distort and/or conceal true findings of his own investigation. Including his insistence on a non—public testimony before Congress, because he does not want to politicize his testimony. BS!!! He, Pelosi, Schumer, Sanders, Biden, and all of them stand invested for other than the people; whether 45 stays or goes. And let's not even get started on the GOP, 45 and his base. Hence, cynicism validated, not a damn thing will be okay for Black folk in America, ever!

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Mueller was charged with find out what happened. He's supposed to be nonpartisan and not to interpret what those findings mean. Or at least that's my understanding. 

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6 minutes ago, Delano said:

charged with find out what happened. He's supposed to be nonpartisan and not to interpret

 

That's true. And if you really think Mueller is nonpolitical and impartial, there's a river here in the desert I'll sell to you for cheap. Correction, the duty, and charge of the DOJ are to safeguard and enforce Federal laws that protect the people and the Constitution. Mueller had a duty to make a call, especially since no prior precedence denies or forbids him to make it; just as there's no prior precedence that would permit or deny him to offer public testimony, as opposed to private. America didn't come to be without 'testing the waters'. even in the face of rejection by the SC. It's interesting to see where Mueller goes from here. Back into retirement or a permanent appointment. Just speculating.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html#document/p1

 

 

Special counselor falls under DOJ. Just like the Vice Squad is a division of the police force. Athe times both investigate their governing body. 

 

He alooked took issue with the interpretation of William Barr. Who is I  effect his boss. He appears to be a man of integrity. How many times have you seen an employee stand up to a superior? 

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I  think he played his  part brilliantly. His investigation made money for the government in addition to showing how the system of buying and selling influence works. How many convictions and how much in fines as the result of the special counsel. 

 

No leaks and he is thorough. Not only did he get Trump's inner circle he gave information to other courts. So even if he got shut down he would still get the job done. 

 

Trumps taxes both personal and business are in play as a direct result of the investigation. Which is going to involve fines and possible jail time for Trump. 

 

The only reason Trump is getting done is because he overreached. You can steal and skim but if you want to be the emperor or dictator even the moneyed elite get nervous. He may have killed the Golden Goose. The other thing is y hat laws are currently being written as a direct result of not repeating Trump. I said it back in 2015 we are witnessing huge geopolitical shifts. And the  "end" of America 

 

 

However time will tell 

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True to all that! Yes, he did his job (with minimum impartiality, but some partiality nonetheless) of investigating 45 with honor and distinction, no one can question that. It's that "honorable distinction" part I have a problem with, among other issues. "Professional Courtesy" among lawyers and doctors is not a requirement, it's a discretionary choice. Most don't like to sue or question the other's integrity. And some don't mind. Robert Mueller is a professional who practices and believes in professional courtesy. That's why he did only not say anything nasty but refrained for saying anything substantial. The opening of his report's introduction should have left no room for interpretation; stated from the beginning whether he found collusion, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice; for the greater good, not out of professional courtesy.

 

Mueller watched Barr's confirmation hearing just as you and I did. And to opine he didn't see what our lay perspective missed would away from the credit we give him.  He knows Barr personally, and to watch his colleague refuse to offer a yes or no to whether he'd provide full disclosure is suspicious, on the high end; evasive on the low end. Mueller's career didn't skyrocket because he's a great person, he excelled because he's a damn good prosecutor. What's the difference between this Don and Teflon Don he took down so many years ago? Is the question I ask. Or perhaps we're wrong about his lawyering skills, or his courage to present an indictment case against a sitting president, to the Supreme Court. He wasn't shy about going after the mob.

2 hours ago, Delano said:

 

Yeah, Rod Rosenstein's another twisted faced sycophant. But he covered himself while giving cover to Mueller too: "If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters. (d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are applicable to the Special Counsel." I'm just saying.

 

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nadler-presses-ahead-with-impeachment-probe-as-pelosi-keeps-door-open/ar-AAFxiro

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 committee is expected to issue some those subpoenas in the coming weeks to seek testimony in September and October, potentially to Corey Lewandowski, Trump's former campaign manager; David Pecker, the chairman of National Enquirer parent company American Media Inc.; and Dylan Howard, a lawyer for the women alleging affairs with Trump who received hush-money payments during the 2016 campaign.

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On 4/2/2019 at 1:32 PM, Delano said:

Troy my statistics professor said you should know who you are gambling with when you bet.

 

Let's make it interesting. How about  $50. for him not finishing his term. but you only have to pay if he either is impeached or terminates in January. 

 

On 4/2/2019 at 3:24 PM, Troy said:

Delano, clarify "terminates in January."

 

On 4/2/2019 at 11:40 PM, Troy said:

OK @Delano Bet.

 

On 5/24/2019 at 5:52 AM, Delano said:

Still think his taxes are a non event? 

 

On 5/24/2019 at 7:26 AM, Troy said:

Nope, I never did, but I still believe he'll serve out his term.

 

The wheels of justice turn slowly and for men like 45 they rarely turn at all. 

Time will tell

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On 8/9/2019 at 7:31 PM, Delano said:

Let's make it interesting. How about  $50. for him not finishing his term. but you only have to pay if he either is impeached or terminates in January. 

 

On 8/9/2019 at 7:31 PM, Delano said:

The wheels of justice turn slowly and for men like 45 they rarely turn at all. 

 

On 8/9/2019 at 7:31 PM, Delano said:

Time will tell

 

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45 will finish his term unscathed and will be followed by another criminal. Yiu can send my $50 in the same fashion. Ill put it to good use.

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Your predictions have been on the money, so far, brother Troy, but the uncertainty of predictions, by nature of 'educated guesses' comes down to more of a 'wishful dreaming' than not. Screw the laws and justice at this point; it's not even about the majority anymore. Said before and I'll say it again, it's all about survival. For both parties. My faith in the human need to survive leads me to predict 45 won't survive impeachment proceeding under-way. Not sure how it may happen, but I reassert my prediction he will not finish his term.

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Long time @Kalexander2 

 

8 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

My faith in the human need to survive leads me to predict 45 won't survive impeachment proceeding under-way.

 

My understanding in the human need to survive leads me to understand that it is trumped by greed. 

 

Politicians bolster the fossil fuel industry allowing it to put the planet on a path of not being able to support human life.

 

Allowing 45 to get into, or even remain, in office is a small thing, relatively speaking.

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Brother, Troy, lets consider the chaos theory "unpredictability in a complex system" where nothing is more complex than humans and human nature. Greed and it's outcomes are predictable. For the sake of survival, a man would not only sell his soul to the devil but will also trade his wealth for self or a loved one. The question then becomes 'how far will a human being go to survive" whom will he/she sacrifice or not sacrifice to survive? NOW, throw some 'opportunism/opportunity' in the mix, it predictable 45 days are numbered in weeks and months. 

 

Everyone believes he's committed treason, most recently, a whistleblower has surfaced claiming to have material evidence indicating 45 as a possible traitor; now way the GOP can survive that. Their only way to reserve survival is to turn on the president.  No sir, allowing 45 to remain in office is no longer a small thing, not if parties, citizens, or even other nations want to survive.  

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The problem K2 is that your statement:

 

2 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Everyone believes he's committed treason

 

is simply not true. Many people love him.

 

Therefore the reaction you expect will not happen. 

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Perhaps, though love is a strong description, if so, MOST PEOPLE DO NOT LOVE 45. Besides, 'love' is relative, people who support 45 are sycophants seeking a benefit.

They have faith in what they think he can do therm, not faith in the man,

 

That's one way of seeing of it. Another, it is or is not fact based. Smoke isn't necessarily a fire but something's up if the smoke's coming from your bedroom window. Everybody believes he committed treason coupled with facts?

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K2 I see you simply can't wrap your head around the fact that some people love 45. Here in the deep south you can see evidence of it everywhere.

 

Some people believe the treason allegations are a smear campaign -- for real!

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You couldn't see impeachment hearings. A year ago, yet here we are. He is threatening the money, and that will get you tossed out on your ear. 

 

He represents hope for those who will no longer have the superior position either economically or numerically. He is not their saviour. He is saying what they need to hear  while picking their pocket. So he is the consummate confidence man. 

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Just now, Troy said:

some people love 45.

 

Just now, Troy said:

Some people believe the treason allegations are a smear campaign

 

Some is not most; But who cares, except for those who need to entertain 45's need for grandeur, for a benefit in return. I believe my head's wrapped well around the concept of 'love' an overrated human con game to get something. Whether it's family, child and parent or lovers, what they call love's more of mutual needs than not. 

 

Just now, Delano said:

He represents hope for those who will no longer have the superior position either economically or numerically. He is not their saviour.

 

Greed and grandiosity motivates this president. To believe different is not a belief at all, it's a con game, to get something from this idiot-in-chief. 'D' is right; And it is becoming clearer each day, that those "some's"  already disappointed as their hero-in-chief can't come through for them.  

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In a conversation yesterday an acquaintance said. The middle class has been removed. They are no longer needed as a buffer between the wealthy  and the poor. And we are in free fall

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Imagine that, 'the middle class' majority of American voters (both Dems and Republicans) lost ground in achieving the American dream. Such economic pilfering by 45 and the GOP can't/won't survive this. That, coupled with another eminent government shut-down, impeachment proceeding revealing emolument violations, treason  alligations, slowing economies and markets, and GOP losing territories and creditabili8ty; 45 probably won't make to the end of the year.

 

Keep a close eye on "Moscow Mitch" during these impeachment proceedings.

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"McConnell finally caved to months of pressure from Democrats and members of his own party and agreed to add $250 million in election security funding." SURVIVAL!!! And to keep his chair, Moscow Mitch will allow an impeachment vote in the senate after Dems vote to impeach. Just my educated prediction. Brother Troy.

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8 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Some is not most;

 

You only need some, not most, to win an election and hold office.

 

6 hours ago, Delano said:

 

In a conversation yesterday an acquaintance said. The middle class has been removed. They are no longer needed as a buffer between the wealthy  and the poor.

 

I agree with this as the middle ckass is squeezed and the poor have nithing to realistically aspire to we have the potential for serious problems. 

 

I heard a talking head say that Obama's accomplishment was keeping the pitch forks at bay. Occupy started under his presidency and was summarily squashed. The pitch folks will come... poor whites are stock piling weapons as we speak, but I'm afraid they have the wrong targets immigrants and Blacks are not the cause of their problems.

 

1 hour ago, Kalexander2 said:

Moscow Mitch will allow an impeachment vote in the senate after Dems vote to impeach.

 

The Republicans hold the Senate so the effort is a waste of time. 45 has liitle over a year to go and will finish his term. Another Republican will replace him as long, as the person is "normal" they will feel like a breath of fresh air.

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Just now, Troy said:

You only need some, not most, to win an election and hold office

 

We're not even talking 'elections' I'm not anyway; I'm talking about public opinion as to impeachment. Most people want 45 out, some his own base.

 

Just now, Troy said:

but I'm afraid they have the wrong targets immigrants and Blacks are not the cause of their problems.

 

Doesn't matter, white nationalists want blood; Some are spilling it little by little already. Economic and social hegemony white folk (middle class) are the one's the GOP listens to, and they're, little by little, feed-up with 45. Hence, support for impeachment.

 

Just now, Troy said:

The Republicans hold the Senate so the effort is a waste of time. 45 has liitle over a year to go and will finish his term. Another Republican will replace him as long, as the person is "normal" they will feel like a breath of fresh air.

 

Moscow Mitch ain't anybody's fool, not even for 45, he pretends to care about his party; He doesn't care.  He's another sycophant looking for a benefit, when there's no more benefit, He'll turn on 45 like a rabid dog. He already is turning on him.

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@Kalexander2 you keep saying most people what him out.  I'm not sure where you are getting this information.  I don't even want 45 before out before the election next year because that will mean Pence, an evangelical Christian, would become president -- potentially for 9 years! Between the two options I pick 45 for another year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Troy said:

where you are getting this information.

 

Well, we can start with 'Fox News' own survey and end with a recent Gallup poll:

 

Donald Trump hasn’t even been in the White House for three years, but a new poll shows that America is already tired of his presidency.

According to a Fox News survey, the Trump administration has left 52 percent of the country feeling exhausted. Only 37 percent say this president has made them feel energized about politics.

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The finding tracks with Trump’s alarmingly high disapproval rating, which stands at 54 percent. Just 45 percent of those surveyed approve of his job performance.

 

That’s not the only finding in the poll that should worry Trump’s reelection campaign.

Fox News also found that the American people are starting to feel increasingly uncomfortable about the nation’s economic situation. Nearly half of respondents say the current economy makes them feel “nervous,” while 37 percent feel “confident” about it.

 

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The economy that Donald Trump inherited from Barack Obama and Joe Biden is the only thing keeping his numbers from completely falling through the floor.

But as his trade war continues to push the U.S. toward an economic slowdown – already costing the country 300,000 jobs – Trump is on the verge of losing the only thing that has kept his reelection campaign afloat up to this point.

 

President Donald Trump pays more public attention to his job approval rating than any recent president in my experience. Unlike Bush, Trump generally doesn't discount the overall importance of job approval ratings. In fact, Trump's frequent references to the measure legitimize its importance in his estimation, even as he often criticizes specific polls.

Trump has employed three basic approaches to job approval ratings. First, he supports and quotes job approval measures when they are to his liking, underscoring his basic acceptance of the measure as a valid indicator of his performance. Second, he often claims his approval rating would be 20 or 30 points higher if not for various impediments, including the Fed and the "fake news media." This too legitimizes the underlying concept of using the approval rating as a measure of performance. Third, he dismisses specific approval ratings he doesn't like, calling them "fake" or "suppression polls," alleging that various pollsters are deliberately attempting to make his approval too low. This doesn't mean Trump is dismissing job approval ratings per se, just certain specific polling results that don't fit his self-conception.

A valuable attribute of the job approval measure comes from the historical context it provides -- going back to the days of World War II. Trump's job approval rating

7 hours ago, Troy said:

 

 in Gallup's latest survey is 39%. We can say that Trump's current 39% is well below the historical average of 53% across all presidents since Harry Truman, and is below where Dwight Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were in September of their third year in office after first being elected. Trump's rating is higher than Jimmy Carter's 30% to 33% ratings in September of his third year in office (1979), and just slightly below Barack Obama's 40% to 43% weekly averages in September of his third year (2011).

7 hours ago, Troy said:

I don't even want 45 before out before the election next year because that will mean Pence, an evangelical Christian, would become president -- potentially for 9 years! Between the two options I pick 45 for another year.

 

Careful brother, you're starting to sound the sycophants' excuses for supporting 45. NEWs FLASH! Pence, angelical Christians and far doctrines are already here, for quite some time now.

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21 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

 

Careful brother, you're starting to sound the sycophants' excuses for supporting 45.

 

It is interesting that is how you interpreted my comments.

 

21 hours ago, Kalexander2 said:

Well, we can start with 'Fox News' own survey

 

Lets not start with Fox News as a source, for what should be obvious reasons.

 

Besides polls have nothing to do with the laws and process for removing a sitting president.

 

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 Weld is calling for 45 to be put to death for treason. Saying that is the "only penalty."

 

Wow!

 

Can you imagine. At the risk of sounding like another one of 45's excuse making shoulder monkeys (😉 @ @Kalexander2).

 

It will never happen, nor do I think it should. Trial and lengthy sentence would be better. 

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