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i have been following the coverage of Trump's controversial nominee for the Supreme Court. Observing the dramatic "he-said-she-said" testimonies of the woman accusing Trump's choice of sexual assault, and the denial of these charges by the accused, has been not only riveting but rather depressing. America is bordering on shambles.  

 

 Dr. Christine Ford alleges that 30+ years ago, Brett Kavanaugh and his friend, Mark Judge, accosted her at  a high school house party. She relates how a drunk Kavanaugh pulled her inside a bedroom where he pinned her down, tried to undress her, and nearly smothered her before she was able to get away and  lock herself in a bathroom. Kavanaugh's denial of any such behavior was predictably indignant and enraged.  His supporters are saying this is just a case of  boys being boys, -  kids  who should not be held accountable for something that happened so long ago. An astounding number of women, however, have come forward in support of Christine Ford, saying that had similar experiences which scarred them for life, something insensitive Republican males have seemingly dismissed. With the exception of an occasional comparison to the sexual harassment charges Anita Hill brought against Clarence Thomas when he was up for his Supreme court confirmation, black people are almost on the fringes of this privileged white America family quarrel.    

 

I confess that i had no idea of how rampant situations like this were/are in this country. i have been luke warm about the "Me, too" movement, mostly drawing from my own experiences wherein i was always able to talk myself out of compromising  situations, partly giving credit to the offending guys for eventually accepting that "no" meant "no."  I shared similar stories with friends who, like me, prided ourselves in being strong enough to put fresh guys in their place. I also kinda wondered if, because black men are so devoted to their mommas that they are less inclined to react violently to having their wrists slapped.  Not to mention them having a "miss one, catch another" mentality.  

 

I have also always regarded white women as being fragile and vulnerable because the esteemed status they hold in Society does not prepare them for being disrespected by boorish horny males and they cope with the trauma of rape, attempted or otherwise,  by internalizing it and blaming themselves rather than speaking out. 

 

What I have become convinced of more than ever, are the paragons of power who have been completely corrupted by their power: rich white men, and sometimes even those who aren't wealthy but who just have a degree of authority! What is really telling about these titans who run and control the world, is how not only do they oppress people of color but how they dominate and control their women. Any attempt on the part of white women to exert themselves has typically been met with them being humiliated and humbled by white men. This is what spawned Feminism, the brain child of rebellious white women. My son told me how when he was in Atlanta a while back, he had an occasion to talk with an elderly white woman who told him that white men were the worst people on earth.  Of course, this does not apply to all of them but there does seem to be evidence of this assessment in world history.  

 

During these current hearings, Republicans have been accusing Democrats of playing politics with this Supreme Court appointment, and Democrats are responding by saying this is not about partisanship but about a culture that looks the other way when males take unwanted sexual liberties with females, This is an issue Dems want to be addressed and condemned rather than rewarded with a life time position that has the potential to change the face of America. But, preferring to put their own interests over the good of the country, Republicans are eager to approve the nomination of a man of questionable character who embodies a right-wing conservative agenda and who has completely polarized the nation.

 

How will it all end?  Who knows. Winter is coming.  

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16 hours ago, Cynique said:

Atlanta a while back, he had an occasion to talk with an elderly white woman who told him that white men were the worst people on earth.

 

God only knows the brutality this woman witnessed that was perpetuated by white men against Black people...

 

16 hours ago, Cynique said:

America is bordering on shambles.  

 

Clearly. I'm largely ignoring the whole Kavanaugh affair. But even though I'm not actively pursuing information, I'm fairly apprised of the situation since it is being covered 24/7 by a  media driven by controversy -- you'd have to be off the grid to not follow this story... a pure spectacle of American dysfunction.

 

 

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Well according to the stats over 53% of White women voted for Trump and support him.
As far as I'm concerned he's a monsters THEY created.

This has less to do with privilege and wealth and more to do with Caucasian women who unconditionally stand by and stick by eachother even against their own best interests.

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6 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Well according to the stats over 53% of White women voted for Trump and support him.
As far as I'm concerned he's a monsters THEY created.

This has less to do with privilege and wealth and more to do with Caucasian women who unconditionally stand by and stick by eachother even against their own best interests.

 

How do you know it has nothing to do with privilege and wealth?  53 percent of the women who voted may have rejected Hillary Clinton, but who knows what percentage of the millions of women who didn't bother to vote, would've voted for Trump? Your argument that "Caucasian women who unconditionally stand by and stick by each other even against their own best interests" doesn't hold water because it doesn't take into consideration the 47 percent of white women who did vote for her, and you are also ignorant in regard to whether or not maintaining their financial interests and lowering their taxes were the reasons certain white women voted against Hillary.

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Your argument that "Caucasian women who unconditionally stand by and stick by each other even against their own best interests" doesn't hold water because it doesn't take into consideration the 47 percent of white women who did vote for her


47% is STILL less than 53% and it was the majority of White women who actually gave him enough popular votes to win the electoral votes.
Like I said, it was less about wealth and priviledge and more about racial solidarity.

 

 

and you are also ignorant in regard to whether or not maintaining their financial interests and lowering their taxes were the reasons certain white women voted against Hillary.


And YOU are ignorant in regard to what I actually believe.
You obvioulsy ASSume that the only thing people know or believe is what they say or post for the moment.
I guess if a man didn't explicitly say he got up and had breakfast and drove to work today you would ASSUME that he was hungry and unemployed, lol.

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12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

it was the majority of White women who actually gave him enough popular votes to win the electoral votes.
Like I said, it was less about wealth and priviledge and more about racial solidarity.

Your conclusion is  flawed.  To say  white women voted for a white man instead of a white woman is an example of racial solidarity, is ambivalent and incongruous.  

 

12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And YOU are ignorant in regard to what I actually believe.
You obvioulsy ASSume that the only thing people know or believe is what they say or post for the moment.
I guess if a man didn't explicitly say he got up and had breakfast and drove to work today you would ASSUME that he was hungry and unemployed, lol.

 What an ignorant false equivalency argument that is!  And admitting that you are just mouthing off, not saying what you actually believe, certainly confirms that everything you express is  a lot of empty blather. 

 

The biggest joke of all is what appears at the bottom of all your posts where you  pompously quote yourself :"I pledge allegiance to the TRUTH"  -Pioneer1.   A lie, if there ever was one!  You've never let the truth get in the way of your pontificating.   And you wear the fact that you are not college-educated  as if this is a badge of honor that makes you naturally smart. When it comes to you, however, it's just a case of your being an uneducated fool.  

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On 9/29/2018 at 11:14 AM, Troy said:

God only knows the brutality this woman witnessed that was perpetuated by white men against Black people...

 

@Troy Thank you! 

 

On 9/29/2018 at 4:39 PM, Delano said:

Trump and his administration is giving the world a window into privilege. 

 

@Delano So true!

On 9/30/2018 at 9:58 AM, Pioneer1 said:

This has less to do with privilege and wealth and more to do with Caucasian women who unconditionally stand by and stick by eachother even against their own best interests.


@Pioneer1This sounds like what Kimberly Crenshaw [sp?] has been saying all along. She uses the term 'Intersectionality' to show how many issues in our culture become overshadowed when White women add their mistreatment from White men and etc. 

 

 

 

On 9/30/2018 at 10:28 PM, Pioneer1 said:

more about racial solidarity.

 

@Pioneer1ABSOLUTELY NOT!! 

22 hours ago, Cynique said:

Your conclusion is  flawed.  To say  white women voted for a white man instead of a white woman is an example of racial solidarity, is ambivalent and incongruous.  

 

@Cynique Thank you!

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On ‎10‎/‎1‎/‎2018 at 10:35 AM, Cynique said:

Your conclusion is  flawed.  To say  white women voted for a white man instead of a white woman is an example of racial solidarity, is ambivalent and incongruous.  

 

 What an ignorant false equivalency argument that is!  And admitting that you are just mouthing off, not saying what you actually believe, certainly confirms that everything you express is  a lot of empty blather. 

 

The biggest joke of all is what appears at the bottom of all your posts where you  pompously quote yourself :"I pledge allegiance to the TRUTH"  -Pioneer1.   A lie, if there ever was one!  You've never let the truth get in the way of your pontificating.   And you wear the fact that you are not college-educated  as if this is a badge of honor that makes you naturally smart. When it comes to you, however, it's just a case of your being an uneducated fool.  

 

 

 

Sophia A. Nelson 

 

 

Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation is the ultimate affirmation of the patriarchy — and Republican women let it happen

As I watched a parade of Republican senators like Susan Collins cast their votes for Kavanaugh, I saw women upholding male power and privilege.
Collins and her cohorts affirmed the reported more than 50 percent of white women who voted for Trump in 2016. These women clearly have no issue with the president’s openly misogynistic behavior, his demeaning of female reporters and his mocking of Ford last week.
 

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/brett-kavanaugh-confirmation-ultimate-affirmation-patriarchy-republican-women-let-it-ncna917386

 

 

Image: Susan Collins

 

 

 

 

 

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I'll let Dr. Claude Anderson explain it.....................
 

 


 

Since he discusses both racism in the "White women's movement" as well a the Supreme Court confirmation I decided to post the entire video instead of just a clip or two of it.

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@Pioneer1 is your response supposed to prove that there is solidarity among whites when  53 percent of white women voted for a white Trump instead of a white Hillary? When it came to Kavanaugh, and the  3 white female senators  the situation was the same.  One white woman, Republican Senator Susan Collins  voted for white Kavanaugh and the the other 2  white female senators didn't support him. How is that solidarity, when white people break ranks and vote against each other on the grounds of party or gender? 

 

This video told me nothing i haven't already heard and is irrelevant to what i am saying.  i am not talking about a white patriarchy or white racism.  i am talking about the family feud that exists within the white race.    

 

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You know when people use these hyperbolic superlatives nowadays it gets on my nerves.  I know this is partially because 45 speaks this way in an effort to con people.

 

I also know people do this as a form of praise and to be complementary but it just turns me off. Now I like Claude Anderson's ideas promote his work and sell his books. So I'm not trying to take anything away from him.  But when Boyce says things like; "definitely one of the greatest thinkers of all-time" "throughout the world;" it just turns me off. 

 

Fortunately Claude is modest man.

 

Unlike what Claude describes in this video, I believe race is a distraction.  Gender is too. This is all about rich folk acquiring more wealth and holding on to it.  If there is a race war do you think 45 and his homies like "100 Keg" Kavanaugh are going to be running around shooting folks?

 

Long before Black folks were around, white were enslaving and exploiting each other.

 

Now the fight against racism is important and must be waged, but the absence of racism will not rid of the problems economic problems we have.

 

 

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Troy

Racism is one of the biggest problems humanity faces.
Bigger than economic injustice.
Bigger than sexism.
....in my opinion.

Infact, racism is at the root of both of them both directly and indirectly.
For example.............

The reason why there is so much poverty in the United States as opposed to Europe is because most of the socialist and safety-net programs that Europe has to care for it's poor are SABOTAGED in the United States by racist politicians who are afraid that too many Blacks and Browns may benefit.

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Obviously racism is a problem, but it is certainly not one of the biggest problems faced by humanity. 

 

Personally man's adverse impact on the climate is at top of my list -- that is if you really want to talk about humanity. Climate change is THE existential threat of our day. The impact of which we can see every day.

 

In the US the growing wealth inequality leaves racism in the dust.

 

Racism is a convenient tool to keep the masses fighting amounst ourselves while being robbed blind. 

 

As an aside; How is racism the root cause of sexism? Please explain that, or provide an example. 

 

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Troy

 

Personally man's adverse impact on the climate is at top of my list -- that is if you really want to talk about humanity. Climate change is THE existential threat of our day. The impact of which we can see every day.

 

To the contrary!
Climate change is actually a SOLUTION to a major problem.

When human beings mistreat, exploit, and pollute the environment for so long the result is that the environment reacts by making itself uninhabitable for humans for a period of time until they are "wiped out" and then new life begins all over again.

Hurricanes, earthquakes, extreme tempuratures and the other changes we're witnessing in the global climate are just SOME of the many ways this "great correction" takes place.

BTW...I forgot you were living in Florida now, how are YOU doing?

 

 

 

 

 

In the US the growing wealth inequality leaves racism in the dust.

Who do you think is ORCHESTRATING this growing inequality?

Whether you're talking about gentrification, the elimination of decent paying jobs in the inner city, or the defunding of the public education system....all of these factors that helped to create this growing enquality was initiated by those with undoubtedly racist agendas.

Further.....how do you thing racism is practiced?
Police brutality and name calling are just a few aspects of how racism is practiced, but one of the major methods of expressing racism is through WEALTH INEQUALITY and the systematic denial of financial opportunities to those of another race.

 

 

 

 

As an aside; How is racism the root cause of sexism? Please explain that, or provide an example.


While sexism....or more specifically the mistreatment OF females BY males (and often other female collaborators).... was fairly common in the Caucasian homelands of both Europe and the so-called "middle east" for millenia, it was almost unheard of in indigenous Native American, African, and most other societies around the globe.

But under the racist expansion of Caucasians both European and Arab into other parts of the world which FORCED other societies to adopt their sexist female-suppressing religions and cultural habits......racism was essentially used to export sexism and make it worldwide.

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3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Climate change is actually a SOLUTION to a major problem.

 

In a perverse sense this is true.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

BTW...I forgot you were living in Florida now, how are YOU doing?

 

I live in Tampa, which is almost 300 miles away from where the storm hit, so I was unaffected.  I was near the effected part of the state a few weeks ago they have beautiful beaches these. The losses must be devastating.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

WEALTH INEQUALITY and the systematic denial of financial opportunities to those of another race.

 

Dude MOST of the people in the United States are white. White people are the suffering from the wealth inequality more than Black people are -- based upon sheer numbers.  How does that square with your belief that wealth inequality is based upon race alone?

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

....racism was essentially used to export sexism and make it worldwide.

 

I read your explanation, but it does not explain your reasoning.  But don't worry about it. Saying sexism follows from racism can not be rationalized no matter how you twist words and logic.

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On 10/8/2018 at 3:09 PM, Troy said:

Long before Black folks were around, white were enslaving and exploiting each other.

 

@Troy That can't be true. 

23 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Racism is one of the biggest problems humanity faces.
Bigger than economic injustice.
Bigger than sexism.

 

@Pioneer1 Absolutely!

 

23 hours ago, Troy said:

Obviously racism is a problem, but it is certainly not one of the biggest problems faced by humanity. 

 

Racism is the start of it all!

 

23 hours ago, Troy said:

Racism is a convenient tool to keep the masses fighting amounst ourselves while being robbed blind. 

 

So therefore ... 'Racism' is then, the start of it all!

 

 

8 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

indigenous Native American, African, and most other societies around the globe.

@Pioneer1 This is not true. Pioneer, the earliest of Native Americans mostly protest from a Matriarchal origins. 

5 hours ago, Troy said:

I read your explanation, but it does not explain your reasoning.  But don't worry about it. Saying sexism follows from racism can not be rationalized no matter how you twist words and logic.

 

I think it can be explained, but to believe it, is another issue. It's like asking that question, 'which came first, the chicken or the egg?'

How to understand the Big Bang Theory and why should we believe humans who offer this theory?

How can the Y chromosome produce a powerful male from the womb of the X chromosome female.

How can a tiny mustard seed produce such a giant tree? ...

How can mankind affect 'climate change' or affect 'global warming' within the realm of such a massive milky way, even though the ancient scripts do say that indeed, mankind

did/will affect and add ruin to the earth?...

 

If there is scientific evidence that human beings existed as being 'inter-sexed' and that COLORISM became an issue first then, that would mean that 'racism' came first before sexism. Sexism would be a by-factor as a result of COLORISM. When genderism became distinct, COLORISM was already a very ancient concept. So yes, I believe that Racism is the root of sexism. 

 

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@Chevdove are you familiar with feudalism? 

 

Do you two (pioneer and chevdove) understand the reasons for any if the world's major wars, why they occurred and who killed who, today and historically?  

 

You do realize, despite social media hype to the contrary, that far and away most Black people are killed by other Black people.

 

11 hours ago, Chevdove said:

If there is scientific evidence that human beings existed as being 'inter-sexed' and that COLORISM became an issue first then, that would mean that 'racism' came first before sexism. Sexism would be a by-factor as a result of COLORISM. When genderism became distinct, COLORISM was already a very ancient concept. So yes, I believe that Racism is the root of sexism. 

 

Either, I'm not smart enough to understand this explaination for sexism stemming from racism, or it makes no sense. I'm pretty sure it is the later.

 

Racism is the least of our worries. The greed of the oligarchs and plutocrats is much more a concern of mine.

 

@Delano what is the connection of the article you posted to this conversation? 

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@Troy what does your post have to do with the Supreme Court. No my friend you are so off topic you forgot that Cynique started the post about the Supreme Court. 

6 hours ago, Troy said:

 

@Delano what is the connection of the article you posted to this conversation

@Cynique

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9 hours ago, Troy said:

are you familiar with feudalism? 

 

@Troy Not really. Does it have something to do with the Middle Ages? I vaguely remember this term applied during that time.

 

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Do you two (pioneer and chevdove) understand the reasons for any if the world's major wars, why they occurred and who killed who, today and historically?  

 

I would like to believe that I know something about these topics you posted.

 

9 hours ago, Troy said:

You do realize, despite social media hype to the contrary, that far and away most Black people are killed by other Black people.

 

Yes. I do realize this but I don't understand the point you are making regarding this topic.

 

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Either, I'm not smart enough to understand this explaination for sexism stemming from racism, or it makes no sense. I'm pretty sure it is the later.

 

Well, again I think that it is the kind of issue that correlates to a question I posed; Which came first, the chicken or the egg? And then it reminds me of another controversial question about 'Evolution and Darwinism vs Creation. I again believe that COLORISM is the beginning of the issue of sexism based on these very controversial 'theories'.

 

9 hours ago, Troy said:

Racism is the least of our worries. The greed of the oligarchs and plutocrats is much more a concern of mine.

 

I understand your position on the oligarchs and plutocrats but, I believe that GREED and TRADE WARS all stem from an early time when a global movement was orchestrated by White Supremacist to invade, dominate and take over BLACK LANDS AND BLACK PEOPLE. I believe that Black people do make choices to engage in BLACK-ON-BLACK VIOLENCE but it is associated with this dark movement that involved exploiting ancient Black Africans of whom allowed these strange people to come into their lands and create confusion, and division so as to conquer.

 

*** A PARABLE based on reference---- the start of the Roman Empire under Augustus...

 

a decree was made first in SYRIA in that all THE WORLD WOULD BE TAXED and be subject to the Roman Empire! ******

ALL THE WORLD BE TAXED ****** ALL THE WORLD BE TAXED ****** ALL THE WORLD BE TAXED *******

******* EMPIRE BUILDERS ******* EMPIRE BUILDERS ******* EMPIRE BUILDERS *******

 

******* THE BOSTON TEA PARTY *******

 

******* White Supremacy******* ... and Mary and Joseph had to travel south to Judaea to be taxed because the romans were enforcing this 

law.... even though the romans were all the way across the ocean in CENTRAL ITALY*******

 

 

 

 

 

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@Delano, ok, techically you are right. But seriously man, how was anyone supposed what you were talking about?  

 

You turned the conversation to the issue of race back in September and conversation has continued along the thread ever since.

 

Perhaps a bit more of an introduction to your links would be helpful in avoiding confusion in these situations.

 

@Chevdove you've lost me. 

 

Hiwever, the bottom line is that white folks have, throughtout history, have perpetrated great evils against other white people. 

 

White people have never been at a loss to find a rationale for hating each other. Sometimes it is religion other times it is just a line in the sand.

 

What we know as racism is just another mechanism. Racism is not nearly as old however as you suggest.  Racism was a recent concoction to justify the perpetual enslavement of Africans -- essentially equating us with animals. Educated people always knew better, but up until the last 100 years, or so, most people were not educated, so this fraud of race was easily spread.

 

The stupidity persists because there are beneficaries and so many people are poorly educated.

 

So while racism is indeed a problem, the state of our educational system -- for the reasons just described -- is a more serious problem.

 

You are not going to end racism by converting racists to rational humans. They need to die out. We just cant keep crearing new racists...

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Troy said:

@Delano, ok, techically you are right. But seriously man, how was anyone supposed what you were talking about

There's no need to qualify my being correct. You don't get tured if being loud and wrong. 

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Troy

 

Dude MOST of the people in the United States are white. White people are the suffering from the wealth inequality more than Black people are -- based upon sheer numbers. How does that square with your belief that wealth inequality is based upon race alone?


1. Most poor Whites are poor by CHOICE.
No one is holding them back.

2. It's NOT my belief that wealth inequality is based on race alone.
There are many factors, race is but one.

 

 

 

 

I read your explanation, but it does not explain your reasoning. But don't worry about it. Saying sexism follows from racism can not be rationalized no matter how you twist words and logic.



Translation:

"I'm not going to accept some ridiculous belief that sexism was introduced to the world through racism simply because some nicca on the internet is saying it no matter HOW rational and articulate his argument may sound.
I'll only accept it if some credible WHITE FOLK wearing glasses and sitting in chairs with their legs crossed legitimize it first!"

 

Image result for richard dawkins discussion

 

....lol.

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19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Translation:

"I'm not going to accept some ridiculous belief that sexism was introduced to the world through racism simply because some nicca on the internet is saying it no matter HOW rational and articulate his argument may sound.
I'll only accept it if some credible WHITE FOLK wearing glasses and sitting in chairs with their legs crossed legitimize it first!"

 

If your belief sounded articulate and rational, maybe Troy would accept it. The battle of the sexes does not involve race.  The instinct of the male of the species is to  dominate the female of the species.  Sexism arose from this dynamic that has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with gender.  

 

19 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

. Most poor Whites are poor by CHOICE.
No one is holding them back.

No one is holding them back.  What is holding them back is their not being smart enough to take advantage of lucrative opportunities.  White skin is a privilege that provides a leg up, but dumbness and ineptitude does not discriminate and it does occur among whites.  Mental acuity is what separates the wheat from the chaff when it comes to whites.    

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No one is holding them back. What is holding them back is their not being smart enough to take advantage of lucrative opportunities. White skin is a privilege that provides a leg up, but dumbness and ineptitude does not discriminate and it does occur among whites. Mental acuity is what separates the wheat from the chaff when it comes to whites.


In other words, you agree with me.....lol.
All you did was add detail as to the reasons why.



 

 

 

 

Chevdove


Intelligence is a major factor as to why some Whites are in poverty but another major factor is RACIAL LOYALTY.
Most Black people are ready to accept that White people who are are poor are in that condition simply because they aren't smart enough to figure out how to get out of poverty, but  they are NOT ready to accept that many if not most Whites who are poor are in that position because they see it as a duty and obligation to the White race collectively to be "worker bees" or "worker ants".

 

It's the same reason so many White women choose racial loyalty over sexual loyalty and side with sexist Republicans over women's issues.

Racial loyalty.

 

In Genesis 3:16 right near the beginning of the Caucasian race the white woman (Eve) is told:

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Most White women are taught from the beginning she was supposed to be loyal to her husband despite his sexism or abuse to ensure loyalty.

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Ah the four horsemen, Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins (I forget the other dude's name).  Actually @Pioneer1 I would listen to these white men over some "nicca" on the social media, They are very smart, informed, articulate, and not afraid to risk ruffling feathers -- very interesting guys.

 

@Cynique Thank you.  But it will do no good. @Pioneer1 is convinced racism is the root of all society ills - remove racism and everyone would be living in perfect harmony. We'd all be Kings and Queens living in Africa in the world of Wakanda were it not for white racism, right Pioneer?

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2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

n Genesis 3:16 right near the beginning of the Caucasian race the white woman (Eve) is told:

 

@Pioneer1 LOL. I don't know what to say. LOL. This is so confusing. Your use of words that you define without references makes it so difficult to follow you. 

Your word 'Caucasian' is a contruct used today, but it does not fit at the time the scripts you reference. If I am wrong please show me this word in context.

The original Caucasians were not white! 

 

Your word 'Eve' that you define as being 'Caucasian' or todays' definition of a White European is wrong. My reshearch shows the name 'EVE' refers to 'a dark person', 'Black', and especially; 'EVENING'. The name Eve carries much more meaning such as 'wife' [ie helpmate] and 'evening flower' and 'Cheveh' and etc. 

 

So for you to say that White women are loyal based on this refeence is false. That reference was in response to just the opposite, in that the previous description was that Eve wanted to be ABOVE her husband so she led him to the forbidden tree and tricked him into eating from the tree. She was not loyal at all. Her fate was not because she willingly became submissive to Adam, but that after they were driven from Eden, she became dependent on the man to protect and provide for her.  

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4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In other words, you agree with me.....lol.
All you did was add detail as to the reasons why.

 

On 10/15/2018 at 9:23 PM, Pioneer1 said:

1. Most poor Whites are poor by CHOICE.
No one is holding them back.

The point i made was that they are NOT poor by choice but  are poor because they are not smart enough to better themselves financially.   

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