Delano Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 What is the difference between what Farrakhan preaches and the (fill in the blank) religion? Is it that it is the pro-Black perspective? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest QueenX Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 The story of "Yakub', I don't really believe.I think this is a myth. However,I came out of religious confusion, back in the 80's.It was Farrakhan and other black historians, who enlightened me and bought me out of this confusion. I am grateful for what Min.Farrakhan has taught me about America, its history and politics.Before, I thought all the problems I was having was my fault. Long live Minister Farrakhan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 On 11/23/2018 at 9:01 AM, Troy said: What is the difference between what Farrakhan preaches and the (fill in the blank) religion? Is it that it is the pro-Black perspective? Yes. Farrakhan is like a black Joel Osteen, slick, smiling and glib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 On the other hand they are also, motivating, inspiring, and powerful speakers, who help a great many people get through life with much greater ease. This reminds me of an earlier conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 He has his market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 24, 2018 Report Share Posted November 24, 2018 Yes, he's a brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 He has saved many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 That's true Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 Bean pies must be magical. Ho-Hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 25, 2018 Report Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Cynique said: Bean pies must be magical. They are really quite tasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Can anyone name me any other organization (Black or White) in modern history that has a better record of cleaning up and reforming AfroAmericans and making them productive citizens? Not being religious ofcourse I don't agree with everything Minister Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam teaches however I agree with far more than I disagree with. One of the things I like about them is that they are PRACTICAL and believe in actually helping THEMSELVES instead of sitting around waiting on White people or Jesus to help them. This was expecially the case back in the 50s and 60s when they used to FORCE many of their members to stop working for Caucasians and demanded that they either work for another Muslim or start their own businesses. They were also quicker to use physical force to discipline their members or other Black people back in those days so in a sense FORCED AfroAmericans to straighten themselves up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: Can anyone name me any other organization (Black or White) in modern history that has a better record of cleaning up and reforming AfroAmericans and making them productive citizens? There are plenty of white ones ho Judism is analogous to the Nation. One the Black side there are a few but nothing im aware of the compares in scale and longevity to the Nation. Man back in the day, before conitellpro and that BS nearly destroyed the Nation they were running businesses all over harlem. They embraced incarcerated brothers everyone else threw away. They had a school and an impressive mosque. They identied and trained ministers like malcom and farrakhan and other dynamic speakers included Conrad Muhammad. Ministers who went and inspired the general public to be proud to be Black and to do for self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Troy Oh, you remember Conrad Muhammad? It's my understanding that he's now a Christian minister and has reclaimed his old last name "Tillard"...lol. As was the case in Harlem, Watts, and Chicago the Nation of Islam was really big in Detroit too and you can still find older AfroAmerican men who will reminisce about the old days. But like you mentioned, another thing I like about them was they had a history of not going to the suburbs but going to the blackest and poorest parts of urban areas all over America and setting up thriving businesses. Kind of like Queen X, the teachings of the Nation of Islam in Detroit was instrumental in helping me make the transition from the common "nigga" on the street to a conscious Black man who wants the best for his people. I personally wish we had a non-religious organization that all could come into and get help when we need it along with a proper knowledge to improve ourselves and help our families. Perhaps the closest we came to that in the past was Marcus Garvey's UNIA. It was millions strong and was ecuminical not adhering to any particular religious or political affiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Out of 39 million black folks in this country how many of today's young generation have been resurrected by the Black Muslims in comparison to those helped by the likes of the Urban League and hundreds of other charitable and religious organizations especially ones started by pro-athletes like LeBron James and entertainers like Rappers Common and Chance, and so many others who have established foundations and are giving back to their communities. This is 2018, not the 1960s. 85 year-old Farrakhan is old news. He couldn't even stop his grandson from marrying a white girl. And he, himself, says from his Chicago mansion that doing anything about its black crime and killings is beyond the scope of him and his bean pies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Cynique said: Out of 39 million black folks in this country how many of today's young generation have been resurrected by the Black Muslims in comparison to those helped by the likes of the Urban League and hundreds of other charitable and religious organizations especially ones started by pro-athletes like LeBron James and entertainers like Rappers Common and Chance, and so many others who have established foundations and are giving back to their communities. Apparently you don't know the difference between HELP and ASSISTANCE. The Urban League., most charitable organizations, and even the modern federal welfare program....don't HELP AfroAmericans. They merely ASSIST them. There's a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 What is the difference? These synonyms are interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 Help is a FORM of assistance, but all assistance isn't helping. When you ASSIST someone you merely provide resources that make it easier or comfortable for them to do whatever they want or are trying to do. When you HELP someone you're providing resources to actually IMPROVE their condition. This is why welfare is called government ASSISTANCE instead of government HELP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 When you assist somebody, you're helping them. When you help somebody you're assisting them. period. Your definitions are not how the dictionary defines these twin words. You are simply putting your spin on them, diluting the purity of language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 with object and adverbial of direction Assist (someone) to move. ‘I helped her up’ with object and adverbial of direction Assist (someone) to move. ‘I helped her up 1Help (someone), typically by doing a share of the work. ‘a senior academic would assist him in his work’ no object ‘their presence would assist in keeping the peace’ ’ An assistant and a helper have the same function. The only difference may be that an assistant sounds more professional and helpers may not get paid like Santa's Helpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 Again..... When you're ASSISTING people you could be helping them or merely ACCOMODATING them. If you're assisting them in the form of HELP then you're improving their condition. If you're assisting them in the form of ACCOMODATION then they remain in the same condition but you just make it a little more comfortable and tolerable without improvement. You can ASSIST someone in being a drug addict by giving them more drugs. You can ASSIST an alcoholic by handing them a bottle. But you aren't helping them; you're actually making matters worse. But if you're actually HELPING someone then you're improving their condition or moving them from one state to a higher state. And again.............. Most of those organization that Cynique mentioned don't actually HELP AfroAmericans. They merely ASSIST them to maintain their same socio-economic condition but tolerate it a little better with a few more toys and food. Marcus Garvey's UNIA and the Nation of Islam actually HELPED thousands if not millions of AfroAmericans improve their health, financial status, and even got them out of legal trouble and kept them out. Del You may be trying to ASSIST in clearing up this argument, but you're not HELPING it...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 29, 2018 Report Share Posted November 29, 2018 @Pioneer1 sorry man the words are interchangable, though as Del suggested assist sounds a more proper or formal You can HELP someone in being a drug addict by giving them more drugs.You can HELP an alcoholic by handing them a bottle. No where in the definition of the word "help" is there a guarantee of a positive outcome. Help or assistance that ultimately turns out to be unbeneficial does not mean help or assistance was not provided. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just because words interchangeable doesn't mean they are the same or have the same definition. "Air" and "Wind" are also interchangeable....but they aren't the same. If you give a drug addict more drugs you aren't helping them, you're assisting them by ENABLING them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Del You may be trying to ASSIST in clearing up this argument, but you're not HELPING it...lol Some things are beyond help. You may need an assistant more than a helper. Simply because the word assistant has an ass in it. Hee hee hee Edited November 30, 2018 by Delano Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, Delano said: Some things are beyond help. You may need an assistant more than a helper. Simply because the word assistant has an add in it. Hee hee hee ????? Didn't you just say: Quote An assistant and a helper have the same function. Lol...... If they have the same function what can an assistant do that a helper can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said: "Air" and "Wind" are also interchangeable....but they aren't the same. It's a really good example that doesn't prove your point. Wind is moving air. If you are assisting someone the person is still able. They just need support. Whereas help implies a more critical situation. A person needing someone to step in on some one's behalf. No shouts "Assistance, assistance, can I get some assistance." If this is still not clear listen to the Beatles song assistance. Sorry for the toppo, add should be ass. Text prompting decided add was better than ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Delano said: If you are assisting someone the person is still able. They just need support. Whereas help implies a more critical situation. A person needing someone to step in on some one's behalf. No shouts "Assistance, assistance, can I get some assistance." Great points! Thank you for not just assisting me but actually HELPING me to prove my point that "help" and "assist" are different words with similar but still different meanings. It helps bolster my original point that most of those organizations Cynique mentioned did not actually HELP AfroAmericans but merely ASSISTED them in maintaining our people in a state of poverty and social dysfunction. But organizations like the UNIA and NOI recognized how critical the situation was and implemented programs to actually HELP improve our condition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: "Air" and "Wind" are also interchangeable No, no these words are not at all interchangeable and it is not a good analogy. SMH LOL! It is like say "water" and "current" are interchangeable. A current, like a wind is independent of the respective medium or water or air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 40 minutes ago, Troy said: No, no these words are not at all interchangeable and it is not a good analogy. SMH LOL! It is like say "water" and "current" are interchangeable. A current, like a wind is independent of the respective medium or water or air. The trachea is called BOTH an "airway" and "windpipe". It looks to me like the words air and wind are being used interchangeably for the same descriptive term. Just like MALE and MAN are different words with different meanings but are still often used interchangeably. I think the analogies I provided were pretty good because: 1. Wind is a TYPE of air......air that's moving. 2. Help is a TYPE of assistance.....assistance that improves quality or state of being. 3. Man is a TYPE of male.....a mature male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 OK @Pioneer1, my Brother, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynique Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 @Pioneer1you can continue to subjectively cast the words "help" and "assist" in scenarios selected by you but, objectively, when they stand alone, the dictionary classifies them as interchangeable synonyms. You are not an etymologist or a semanticist or an authority on the English language. and you cite no source but yourself for what you are claiming You are simply someone who wants to impose his self-styled definitions on people and organizations that do and are doing as much if not more than the NOI. verb: help 1.make it easier for (someone) to do something by offering one's services or resources:"she helped him find a buyer"synonyms:assist, aid, help out, lend a hand to, lend a helping hand to, ... more antonyms:hinder 2.serve someone with (food or drink):"she helped herself to a cookie" noun :help 1.the action of helping someone to do something; assistance:"I asked for help from my neighbors"synonyms:assistance, aid, a helping hand, support, succor, ... more antonyms:hindrance verb; assist 1.help (someone), typically by doing a share of the work:"a senior academic would assist him in his work"synonyms:help, aid, abet, lend a (helping) hand to, give assistance to, ... more antonyms:hinder noun: assist 1.an act of helping, typically by providing money:"the budget must have an assist from tax policies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: The trachea is called BOTH an "airway" and "windpipe But no one calls it an air pipe or a wind way. Wind is a moving air. So it's a subset of air. 9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said: Just like MALE and MAN are different words with different meanings but are still often used interchangeably. No, not all males are men. Men is a subset of male the reverse is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer1 Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 Del and now Troy Well........ I'm not sure why you two felt the strong urge to intercede on Cynique's behalf and assist/help her make her point and disprove mine. She certainly doesn't NEED help or assistance defending herself but.....hey ((shrugs shoulders)). I'm not into gang-banging so as far as I'm concerned if this issue is so important to you three that you're willing to support eachother and ignore everything I say that MAY be correct just to dwell on what I say that MAY be incorrect and prove me wrong, I'd rather abandon it all together....because something tells me the REAL issue is much deeper than this particular subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted November 30, 2018 Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 No it is not that deep @Pioneer1. I can disagree and agree with anyone on this forum on any given the issue -- and change my stance given additional thought and debate. There is no hidden agenda, at least on my part. I will never debate @Delano on astrology because his knowledge far exceeds mine on the subject. I will always listen to @Cynique when she describes anything from a past that she lived and I only read about, Indeed I relish these stories and would allow ask question rather than argue with her about her experience. As far as this trivial debate about the your failure to recognize that Help and Assist are synonymous is nothing more than that - trivial. What I find surprising is that after all these years you will never change your stance on any issue -- even when you are demonstrably wrong, like now. The question you really be considering is why? Why are you so rigid? (I bet Del could guess you zodiac sign I'm thinking you're a Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, or Aquarius). Why won't you take in information and use it to advance your understanding of, as in this case the English language 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 I think I will drop the adversarial position it rarely is effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delano Posted November 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Troy said: will never debate @Delano on astrology because his knowledge far exceeds mine on the subject. I It's a nice complement but I feel everything than can be debated. Especially when an opinion is not fully informed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 Nah @Delano I dont have the knowledge to debate you on Astrology. It would be silly to try now if i did not previously know how much you knew i might try, but once it became clear i would just sit down and listen. Now i did not agree with your Astrological prediction about 45 leaving office before the end of the year, but i did not disagree based up your astrology -- which i never challenged. I disagreed based upon other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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