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The plantation system was rebranded: Massa  -> Owner , Overseer -> Manager , Miss Ann -> Reception , House Slaves -> Middle Office , Field Slaves -> Back Office
 

Or
 

Massa = Warden

Overseers = Corrections Officers

Slaves = Prisoners




Eastern Europe is very different than the South in terms of climate .


This helps to prove my case that slavery in the United States IS for the most part racially based.

It's not the ONLY factor, but it was a major and probably main factor.
How well a collective group of people tolerate sun and heat is a matter of genetics (race).





Your comment ignores "racial" differences 


Because Troy didn't see race involved in slavery and believes it was strictly economics.  
My illustration shows how it made LESS economic sense to go all the way to Africa trading, fighting, buying, and stealing people....many of whom ended up dying on their way over on the ship......if it were all about money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 


 The fact that white people were enslaved both here and Europe for all of recorded history means nothing to you...
 

Ok, so White people were enslaved!
Lol....so what?

Hell, Caucasians were enslaved BEFORE Africans were.

Now how does that fact DISPROVE what I said about United States slavery being racially motivated?






I'm glad you grew in a nice community.


Well you don't SOUND like it....lol.
You sound more like my angry cousins from the hard ghetto who used to clown on and bully the kids in my neighborhood and take their bikes and other toys away from them until they got ready to go back home....that is.....unless the relatives of THOSE kids were visiting from another ghetto and fought them off.  Then THEY became the bullies on the block until THEY went home.

The ORIGINAL BeBe's kids.....lol.



 

With your background @Pioneer1 why aren't you wearing a MAGA hat? Bring back the good old days when women knew their place and homos were in the closet right?


I don't know about all of that, I  know that in the 1970s through the early 80s (periods that I actually remember) AfroAmericans collectively in the Detroit and Chicago area did MUCH better than they did in the 2000s.
There were more Black business and more Black love.

And from what I HEARD from those who were older than me,  there was a lot of success and prosperity reaching back into the late 50s among AfroAmericans in those cities!
A totally different story from the narrative we hear from a lot of economists today, but I got it from eye witnesses who were actually AROUND in those days to verify what was really going on.
 






My kids and I had it FAR better off. Than my parents and I. The average Black person is better off today
 

You're looking at things from a selfish and limited point of view, you're not taking  AfroAmerican communities through out the ENTIRE nation into consideration.

I'm telling you that in the Midwest and South most AfroAmerican communities were in WORSE shape in the early 2000s than they were in the 1970s and 1980s.
They did NOT live as good as their parents did and lost most of the houses and businesses that their parents left them.

Clearly AfroAmericans in the Midwest and South had a different experience than our brothers and sisters on the Eastcoast because of it's much larger manufacturing base...and it's collapse.  But even on the Coasts (specifically New York and Los Angeles) many former mostly AfroAmerican neighborhoods have been ruined by the Crack pandemic and either gentrified or destroyed.

More AfroAmericans are incarcerated today than in any other time in history....how can you say things are better?
 

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10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Or
 

Massa = Warden

Overseers = Corrections Officers

Slaves = Prisoners

I am looking at how Corporate America or the Military.

23 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Class warfare may be A real fight, but it's not THE real fight.  Unless you're talking about racial classes.

Power resides with the ruling elite, which are a few families that have old money. Which as far as I can tell in the US doesn't include Black folks. So while it looks like racee it is always about power.

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Delano

 

 

Power resides with the ruling elite, which are a few families that have old money. Which as far as I can tell in the US doesn't include Black folks. So while it looks like racee it is always about power.

 

Ok, I hear what you're saying.......

 

So if it's NOT about race but ALWAYS about power then why doesn't the  Elite class in the United States INCLUDE Black people in it's ranks?

 

They say AfroAmericans make up about 14% of the U.S. population so taking statistical margins of error into account I would say that if race ISN'T a factor then anywhere from 12% to 16% of that Elite class SHOULD be made up of AfroAmericans.

 

Any idea why this isn't the case?
 

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56 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

Any idea why this isn't the case?

There's a book called Guns Germs and Steel. It talks about why Europe not Africa colonised the world. 

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Delano

 

 

I've heard of and read through that book.

 

I don't recall reading in it that West Africans actually DID explore much of the world from Europe to East Asia and there is much evidence that they knew about and had sailed to the Americas centuries BEFORE Columbus.  Yet with all of this traveling Africans didn't seem to have a desire to COLONIZE the people (take the land and force the people in it to work for them) they visited, like the Europeans did.

The book may focus on comparing Europe with Africa....
but we must remember that there are OTHER continents filled with OTHER people who apparently didn't have the desire to colonize either.
So instead of comparing Europe with just Africa, maybe it would be better to compare Europe with THE REST OF HUMANITY and ask the question why THEY (E (Europeans) are more likely than any other group to go around colonizing other lands.

What was and is it about their particular thinking patterns and genetics that influence them and makes them WANT to do this to other people more so than any other group?

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Interesting video...........


My thought on it is that while it IS interesting and informative to a certain extent, we must keep in mind that it's being presented to us by a CAUCASIAN.....so stop right there.

 

Anytime you have information being presented to you by a member of a group of people WELL KNOWN for being masters of confusion and deception, you must take it with a grain of salt and be very suspect of all of the information being offered.


1. He starts off with confusion by referring to Europeans as "Westerners" when geographically speaking Europe as just as far west as Africa.  

If you mean "European" or "White man" then SAY THAT, and stop masking it up in confusing terms!

 

2. He focuses on Africa and why Europe was so successful in conquering Africa but only makes passing references to those same Europeans being able to conquer Asia as well as both American continents EVEN MORE thoroughly than Africa!

What were his intentions in making it seem as if Africa was an anomaly, when the rest of the world shared the same fate under the Europeans?


He does a half-way decent  job disproving what Jared Diamond says in his book but when it comes to explaining what HE believes is the reason why Europe was able to dominate and colonize so much more of the planet than any other group he doesn't offer an alternative answer.

In fact, he dismisses it by saying that we may "never know the answer" at the 1: 25 minute mark.  And we know that ALL questions have answers.  Which makes me wonder if the THINKS he has the answers to the question but doesn't want to reveal them.
 

But on the flip side I DID learn something from this video. 


I learned about the Great Benin City!


Although I knew of Benin as an empire, I hadn't remembered even hearing of Benin City until this video.  Now I'm going to do more research on this great West African pre-colonial city.


Thanx for the video.
 

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@Pioneer1 here is a simple question for you, that might help you understand my reasoning.  Simply select (a) or (b), don't belabor me with more of conspiracy theories. Can you do that?

 

Which came first?

(a) Racism

(b) Slavery

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5 hours ago, Troy said:

@Pioneer1 here is a simple question for you, that might help you understand my reasoning.  Simply select (a) or (b), don't belabor me with more of conspiracy theories. Can you do that?

 

Which came first?

(a) Racism

(b) Slavery


Sure I can answer your question, but I don't need to because I already understand your reasoning....it's called DENIAL.

Any AfroAmerican witnessing the racial tensions going on in the United States today and can STILL deny the existence of different races is living LAVISHLY  along the banks of DENIAL River, lol.

 

 

Mansions along the river - Picture of Good Natured River Tours ...

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The Answer is Slavery, Slavery goes back a long ways. However the American Slave trade create the concept of White Superiority to justify slavery. So in the South you have White Women being the ideal and being seen as chaste. With Black Men being seen as sexual brutes, and Black women being temptresses. However that falls apart because White Plantation owners were raping Black Women and selling their own offspring. So you have a situation where Black Men can't protect their women, Black women are seen as sexually loose, and White women having to reconcile their perceived status with the reality.

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((all rise))

 

 

The Honorable Judge Franklin Delano

 

The Answer is Slavery

 

Do you have any documented proof or strong historic evidence for your answer?


 

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On 8/1/2020 at 10:26 PM, Jeffrey said:

She has the straightest hair I have ever seen.  😐

 

LOL @Jeffrey Okay. This is so funny. I am guessing that you are referring to Candice Owens. 

This thread as branched off into other interesting points but I maybe reading too deeply into your comment, however, it has a punch to all of what is being discussed. LOL.

I think many of us, Black women wear our hairstyles in extreme ways but today, it has become normal to think that it is okay to portray ourselves as being defined as having BONE STRAIGHT HAIR. I think to some extent, this is okay, but when it becomes an obsession, then it shows self-hatred, however, this aspect of Self-Hatred is being completely ignored. 

 

On 8/4/2020 at 5:53 AM, daniellegfny said:

That’s not the case. Native Americans define the bottom.

 

Not completely. It depends.

When I think about my late father-in-law, I have mixed emotions. I become hostile in my spirit in one sense but I do appreciate him in another sense. He always told his son that most of his relatives chose to PASS for White, but he loathed 'the White man'. Therefore, just as the federal books report, there were a small but significant number of Natives that bonded with Black African Americans during the time of the wars and they married Black women. He was booked very well. However, he carried a lot of his old ways with him.

He became a Long Shoreman and made a lot of money and squandered most of it away on women, etc. He left nothing for his sons. The Black Native Americans, I would say define the bottom, but not all of the Straight-hairs. Yes, during the time of the massacres, many of the Straight-Hairs were the bottom though, I would agree. But in any case, the Black Natives were the bottom of the bottom, imo.

 

On 8/4/2020 at 4:39 PM, Delano said:

Almost right . The tried to use Native Americans but they didn't survive .

 

They actually knew how to melt back into the woods and the Europeans had a difficult time with that aspect. 

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23 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

My illustration shows how it made LESS economic sense to go all the way to Africa trading, fighting, buying, and stealing people....many of whom ended up dying on their way over on the ship......if it were all about money.

 

Yes, I do agree. 

12 hours ago, Troy said:

Which came first?

(a) Racism

(b) Slavery

 

Definitely (a) Racism

More correctly, the term is not actually 'Racism' though, but Colorism and White Supremacy, that came first before slavery. The motivation comes before the act. Slavery is a response to the issue of hating Black people and people of color. 

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Delano

 

 

The tried to use Native Americans but they didn't survive .

 

Actually, MILLIONS of Native Americans were enslaved....under the Spanish and Portuguese.

And not only did they survive, but millions are STILL in virtual slavery and serfdom, they just don't call themselves by their ancestral names or identify as Native American.
They simply call themselves "Latino" or "Mexicano" or "Columbiano".

 

Slavery took on different forms in different regions depending on which Caucasians were overseeing it.
Africans weren't the only ones enslaved, Native Americans and East Asians (Chinese) as well as Dravidians were also enslaved.

 

 

 

 

Chev

 


Mores correctly, the term is not actually 'Racism' though, but Colorism and White Supremacy, that came first before slavery. The motivation comes before the act. Slavery is a response to the issue of hating Black people and people of color. 


👍 I can't believe you hit the nail DIRECTLY on the head of what my answer WOULD have been had I decided to answer it....lol.
The belief and ideology of White Supremacy had to first be established among themselves before they could use it systematically as a weapon against others.

But I deliberately avoided answering the question because I knew it's just part of Troy's little "denial" game and wasn't going to be suckered into it.
 

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30 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Definitely (a) Racism

More correctly, the term is not actually 'Racism' though, but Colorism and White Supremacy, that came first before slavery. The motivation comes before the act. Slavery is a response to the issue of hating Black people and people of color. 

Is that the case in every place that has Slavery.

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5 minutes ago, Delano said:

Is that the case in every place that has Slavery.

 

@Delano In the broad sense, I would say yes but slavery, is such an old institution that has been clouded with so many other kinds 'and colors' of people being enslaved too, that it may seem not, but based on my understanding, even 'White Slavery' stems from the initial set up of Black people or 'people of color' initially being enslaved. 

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3 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

Delano In the broad sense, I would say yes but slavery, is such an old institution that has been clouded with so many other kinds 'and colors' of people being enslaved too, that it may seem not, but based on my understanding, even 'White Slavery' stems from the initial set up of Black people or 'people of color' initially being enslaved. 

In Rome Slave could become citizens. The US use Matriarchal lineage, so that any slaves born of a slave were also Slaves. I believe that was unique to US's system of slavery.

 

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7 minutes ago, Delano said:

The US use Matriarchal lineage, so that any slaves born of a slave were also Slaves. I believe that was unique to US's system of slavery.

 

Yes, I agree to what happened here in US slavery, but I think that that matriarchal system is very old though. 

But, yes, I do agree that the children born to Slave masters were considered to be non-White and also slaves, even though some of these kinds of people later became defined as being White. 

 

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1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Do you have any documented proof or strong historic evidence for your answer?

 

You'll have to study history, because there is clearly nothing I can write to convince you otherwise.

 

@Chevdove, racism, colorism and white supremacy are relatively new concepts; slavery is much, much older.

 

Racism and its spawn white supremacy justified the American "peculiar institution." It was "peculiar" because of the racist component.

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31 minutes ago, Troy said:

racism, colorism and white supremacy are relatively new concepts; slavery is much, much older.

 

 

@Troy I would agree that racism is a relatively new concept but not Colorism and white supremacy.

I have done a lot of research on the New Kingdom of Egypt and that was the basis of it; White Supremacy and Colorism.

 

Let me explain a little more. Today, this history has been suppressed but you can look yourself at the depictions and it might come clear.

The pharaohs became obsessed with White women to the point where they completely launched a movement.

Many, Mitannian and other types of Assyrian women were brought into Egypt and elevated above the Original Egyptian women.

The Late Ivan Van Sertima wrote about this.

This movement began with Thutmose III and continued for many years even beyond this dynasty.

But the issue of White Supremacy and Colorism goes back even much farther, thousands of years prior to this.

 

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9 hours ago, Chevdove said:

Yes, I agree to what happened here in US slavery, but I think that that matriarchal system is very old though

The matriarchal system is older than slavery, but it's used to justify slavery in the Usyis relatively new.

 

My guess is that you can say the concept of race and racism coincides with the "discovery" of the Americas. 

 

 

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@Chevdove to better respond I need to understand the distinction you are making between racism and white supremacy.

 

White supremacy is created from racism. Without racism the could be no white supremacy. Get it?

 

Lets leave colorism out of the conversation, because while it too is born of racism, it is some BS Black people engage amongst ourselves. Cool?

 

I just watched the video.

 

Europeans dominated the world because they were exceedingly violent. Genocide, torture, enslavement, rape, pillage, plunder no crime was beneath those people. 

 

It is that simple.

 

Africans though technologically far superior to the Europeans, was not nearly as violent to others.

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6 hours ago, Delano said:

The matriarchal system is older than slavery, but it's used to justify slavery in the Usyis relatively new.

 

My guess is that you can say the concept of race and racism coincides with the "discovery" of the Americas. 

 

I would agree, but after what @Troy just wrote, I am not sure.

 

4 hours ago, Troy said:

to better respond I need to understand the distinction you are making between racism and white supremacy.

 

White supremacy is created from racism. Without racism the could be no white supremacy. Get it?

 

No @Troy I do not. Are you saying that I am wrong about White Supremacy in the 18th Dynasty of Egypt?

 

4 hours ago, Troy said:

I just watched the video.

 

What video?

 

White Supremacy was a dominant factor in Africa, especially in ancient Egypt.

So, if you believe that racism is connected to white supremacy then, racism would go much farther back then modern times.

As I wrote this was the very issue with the 18th Dynasty but even much earlier.

The dynasty was assumed by the Thutmosis pharaohs and brought in many Mitannian women and other Assyrian women and eventually the pharaoh Akhenaten married a White woman named Nefertiti. It has only been recently brought out though, that she was White and for many years this was deliberately suppressed history. Now though the many depictions of her have been reported. And it has deliberately been wrongfully reported that Akhenaten headed up a new movement, however, it was not him but Nefertiti that was the head of this new religion in Egypt.

 

Akhenaten was the pharaoh that was blamed for outlawing the earlier religion and closing down the temples in Thebes. However, it was not even him initially, but his father Amenhotep III. Nefertiti and the High Priest Ay headed up this new religion and moved the capital to another region until the Thebans rebelled. the original Thebans, Nubians and Syrians were put in hard bondage, in rock quarries, etc. to build up these cities but the Assyrians [White Syrians] were elevated. So, I don't know what video you saw, but White Supremacy was dominant in ancient Africa and the ancient world. 

 

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Chev and Delano

 

The matrilineal system is the OLDEST in the world.
It also makes the most sense (in my opinion).

We can obviously SEE who your mother is, but your father.....((raises hands)).....lol.

 

Like the old saying go,
"Mama's baby...Papa's....maybe".

 

 

What video?

 

There is a brief but pretty interesting video a few posts up you may want to take a look at.

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

 

If slavery came BEFORE racism then how do you explain the racist CASTE system of India that is THOUSANDS of years old?

..much older than both the European or even Arab enslavement of Africans.

 

This is a well documented history of an Aryan race who invade, degrade, mistreat, and slaughter the Black Dravidian race of ancient India and set up a caste system and religion (Hinduism) over them that survives until this very day!

 


It was "peculiar" because of the racist component.

 

Now we're making SOME progress, lol.

You're now admitting that racism atleast played SOME role in slavery when before on the previous page you were claiming  it was ONLY about economics.


So, things are coming along just fine.




Lets leave colorism out of the conversation, because while it too is born of racism, it is some BS Black people engage amongst ourselves
 

You may be surprised to know that "colorism" or praising light skin over dark skin is even MORE of a problem among Latinos, East Asians, and Native Americans than it is among our people in the United States!
And the reason for this is White Supremacy and it's earlier exploits.

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