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So disingenuous. Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, too. Almost ALL new freedmen of the 1800's when Lincoln and Hiram were elected, were Republicans. African-Americans didn't start voting for the Democratic party, en masse, until Franklin Delano Roosevelt ran for and won the Presidency. 

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My bad. When I saw the 

GOP
 
 
insignia at the top of the blurb, along with the elephant, of course, just kinda went, hmmmm..... very disingenuous. It's not like ANY blacks elected to Congress during Reconstruction were Democrats, so....
 
Happy Birthday, Hiram. 
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23 hours ago, daniellegfny said:
We need to honor all our best and brightest to combat low self image.

 

 

So.....
Since this one is dedicated to Republicans but you want to honor ALL of our best....does that mean you'll start another thread in honor of President Obama?

 

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After all, achieving the office of President of the United States definitely counts as being among the best and brightest!

 

 

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Again, the 19th century Republican and Democratic party are completely different the parties of the 21st century.  It would be more accurate to describe the parties of being reversed of each other.

 

Sure I'm all for honoring Revels and all of the Black men who served in the congress immediately upon the end of our enslavement in this country, but to use this as evidence that the Republican party is somehow a long term supporter of Black people is to ignore the history of the party over that past 100 years.

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@Troy you are trying to drive a certain perspective. I am pointing out what has taken place. It’s important to know what the true history of America is and not one slanted by not pointing out the positives. 
 

Any political party is as valuable as the current members of the party. The PreTrump party is not the same as the inclusive PostTrump Republican Party.

5 hours ago, Troy said:

but to use this as evidence that the Republican party is somehow a long term supporter of Black people is to ignore the history of the party over that past 100 years.


 

 

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Daniel

 

Your beloved Great White Hope (Trump) that you have so much faith in told a White Supremacist organization to "stand by".

Stand by....for WHAT???


You proudly support a man who REFUSES to condemn White Supremacy.

 

 

 

Troy

 

I vote, but I vote in LOCAL elections.

I don't vote in the Federal Election (not since Obama's first term) because I know it doesn't count.

They've already decided who will get in.

Most AfroAmericans don't want to acknowledge or even believe this because to do so means they would have to admit they have no REAL political power.
.....something they don't want to accept.

Kind of like a woman who WANTS her husband to love her and doesn't want to accept the fact that he's cheating on her despite all of the evidence (like finding naked women under the bed from time to time....lol) .

 

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             "Ooooweee...."

 

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12 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

They've already decided who will get in.

 

So who will get in?

 

I live in state where more that half of the Black men did not vote. If every Black person here voted for Hillary. 45 Hillary would have gotten all of Florida's electors and won the election. This pretty plain @Pioneer1 spreading your conspiracy theory just discourages Black people from voting. 

 

Net-net I've been better off during the Trump years than I was during the Obama years, but I can't say that either man has been responsible one way or the other (save 45's $1,200 check).

 

45's telling that alt right group to "stand by" makes it impossible to vote for him @daniellegfny. I'll take a socialist over a white supremacist every day of the week. Why did you dodge Pioneer1's question Danielle?

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Troy

 


I live in state where more that half of the Black men did not vote. If every Black person here voted for Hillary. 45 Hillary would have gotten all of Florida's electors and won the election. This pretty plain @Pioneer1 spreading your conspiracy theory just discourages Black people from voting. 

 

Brother!
Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 MILLION people, but STILL didn't get elected.
Now what in the increasingly-polarized-world makes you think that a few more AfroAmericans voting for her in Florida would have made any difference?

 

 


Net-net I've been better off during the Trump years than I was during the Obama years, but I can't say that either man has been responsible one way or the other (save 45's $1,200 check).


Same here.
Although I must say that I'm not sure if I feel as safe under Trump as I did during the Obama years.

Especially the way so many openly racist Caucasians have been walking around with military style weapons since 2017.


 

 


Why did you dodge Pioneer1's question Danielle?


Because his "handlers" warned him not to get into back-n-forth arguments with me....LOL.  

 

 

 

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"Jeez, Coggins.....
Come on man will ya just leave that guy alone!
Push the agenda and ignore him.
Just push the agenda!"

 

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11 hours ago, Troy said:

45's telling that alt right group to "stand by" makes it impossible to vote for him @daniellegfny. I'll take a socialist over a white supremacist ever day of the week. Why did you dodge Pioneer1's question Danielle?

I don’t have a problem with Ultra-Right wing organizations just because of their labeling and description by the media. Black People openly belong to the Proud Boys. Based on the news reporting I have heard they have been a counterbalance to Antifa and BLM.

 

 I choose not to have conversations with people who don’t want to converse. By that I mean I have assessed his political philosophy and see that there is no benefit in discussing matters of politics with him. If he asks me about my books or review of books I would be glad to answer them within limits.

 

I found this useful information regarding Trump 

 

The biggest difference between you and our other associate is that it’s not consistent innuendo and cloaked insults. While it can be entertaining debating, that’s not my purpose here. My primary purpose is to expose as many people as possible to my literary work and not political work. It’s ok for me to use some of my time indulging in some political discussion it’s not the focus of my presence here. 

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9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 MILLION people, but STILL didn't get elected.

 

Did you understand what I wrote about electors? If so then you'd know your statement is irrelevant.

 

@daniellegfny forget Trump what the judge said about Obama is unbelievable.  In fact I don't believe it.

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The "Clown" should never have been infected. Unbelievable lack of judgement.

 

I take that back  the lack of judgment is perfectly believable. Fortunately for him he has the best Doctors available.

 

Who announced 45's infection? Was the source his tweet? Are we supposed to believe that?

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14 minutes ago, Troy said:

 

The "Clown" should never have been infected. Unbelievable lack of judgement.

 

Can you avoid catching a common cold? It’s a virus. When he recovers, hopefully it will show people like yourself that the virus isn’t a guaranteed death sentence and we can go back to living.

It will also demonstrate the variety of treatment available now even before the vaccine.

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Daniel

 

I don’t have a problem with Ultra-Right wing organizations just because of their labeling and description by the media. Black People openly belong to the Proud Boys. Based on the news reporting I have heard they have been a counterbalance to Antifa and BLM.

 

There were Black folks who sided with the Confederacy to keep slavery going.

There were Black folks in Africa who helped Caucasians to enslave other Black folks.

There are Black officers who lie and help fill out paper work in defense of Caucasian officers who shot an unarmed Black person.

 

Just because a Black person participates in an organization, doesn't mean it's not viciously racist and evil.
 

There are some AfroAmericans who are stupid enough and non-caring enough to do ANYTHING including kill their own mothers for a quick buck or some fame....let alone sell out their entire race.


 

 

By that I mean I have assessed his political philosophy and see that there is no benefit in discussing matters of politics with him. 

 

Lol.....
To the contrary, YOU were being educated but your "handlers" got worried and warned you to top talking politics with me because they knew the impact I was having on the viewer who were following our exchanges.

 

 


 The biggest difference between you and our other associate is that

 

Lol @  "our associate".

 

Sounds like the Mafia.

 

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"Hey fellas......
Meet our new associate here!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy

 

Well..........

Not sure of the entire circumstance surrounding his contracting the Coronavirus but if Trump is an ASYMPTOMATIC positive this could potentially be used by him to downplay the seriousness of the disease.  (like someone else we know....lol)

 


Did you understand what I wrote about electors? If so then you'd know your statement is irrelevant.

 

I totally understand what you said as well as the process.

What I DON'T understand.....and perhaps you can explain it to me.....is how someone can win the popular vote by 3 million and LEGITIMATELY lose the electoral vote.

That doesn't add up.

 

Although it's not exact, the amount of  electoral votes are supposed to LINE UP with the population in each state.  
So while it's conceivable to win the popular vote by...say...HALF a million...and still lose the electoral vote.

How in the WORLD can someone get 3 million more popular votes and lose the electorate?????

 

That's almost like getting straight A's in your class but STILL flunking on some sort of technicality.
 

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3 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

Can you avoid catching a common cold? It’s a virus.

 

Are you seriously relating the common cold to covid-19?!  If so we can't have a serious conversation.

 

3 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

When he recovers, hopefully it will show people like yourself that the virus isn’t a guaranteed death sentence and we can go back to living.

 

No one has said getting covid-19 is a death sentence.  You are being intellectually dishonest and irrational. Of course 45 will get the best treatment available, while many, without medical insurance are much more susceptible to dying.  Herman Cain died despite these benefits, I don't recall you using the same flawed reasoning in his untimely death.

 

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

What I DON'T understand.....and perhaps you can explain it to me.....is how someone can win the popular vote by 3 million and LEGITIMATELY lose the electoral vote.

 

There are 540 electoral votes, a presidential candidate need the majority of these, 270, to win.  A candidate can fail to get a single vote in 39 states and win, by only 1 vote, in the following 11 states:

  1. California, which has 55 votes,
  2. Texas with 38,
  3. Florida with 29,
  4. New York with 29 votes,
  5. Illinois with 20 votes,
  6. Pennsylvania with 20 votes,
  7. Ohio with 18 votes,
  8. Georgia with 16 votes,
  9. Michigan with 16 votes,
  10. North Carolina with 15 votes, and
  11. New Jersey which has 14 votes

The candidate would lose by the popular votes by 10's of millions of votes, but win the electoral college and become POTUS. 

 

This is why the ongoing disenfranchisement of voters in Florida is so important.   Again, this is why voting and completing the census form is so important.  

 

Now that the supreme court is stacked with Republicans, and Black people don't vote, the electoral college will be with us for the foreseeable future.

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Troy

 

Ok, I admit that the scenario you laid out makes a LITTLE more sense of how that could happen but.....would your scenario give 3 million votes to the losing candidate????

You're scenario is an almost PERFECT scenario....which usually doesn't happen in real life elections.
 

First of all there are a lot of red states like Texas, Florida, and Georgia mixed up in that 11.  It's hard to believe that the SAME person who won New York and New Jersey will be the SAME person who won Georgia and Texas.
 

If you're GOING to play the game, perhaps what Democrats should be aiming for is OVERWHELMING voter turn out in all states for them to the point that even with their cheating the Republicans will be crushed.
That's how Obama and Clinton got elected.
They have to fight with OVERWHELMING force.  Because if it came anywhere near close then the Republicans would just cheat their way into office.


Now the voters should do their part, but you also have to understand that once the Democrats actually get in office they must do THEIR PART also!

Once they get in office they have to ACTUALLY FIGHT the Republicans on key issue, instead of capitulating and compromising with them.
And they also have to start transfering wealth to those who voted for them!
Republicans give money back to those who helped them get in office....Democrats don't give the poor or AfroAmericans shit.
Not even a "thank you" card.


Oh yeahhhh.....Democrats are good for shaking their finger at lazy voters.
They're good for scolding the voters and telling them to get off their ass and vote, and if they don't vote then don't complain.
But once these Democrats are voted in office they don't DO SHIT for those who DID get off their ass and vote for them.....which is why so many aren't motivated to vote in the first place.

Like you said in another thread, people want to vote FOR something...not simply AGAINST it.

Why should I even waste my time to get off the couch while enjoying my day off and run down to the polls just to vote for some asshole who ain't really going to do shit anyway?
I'm supposed to vote for him because....he may be an asshole but atleast he's not AS BIG of an asshole as the Republican he's running against.
 

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1 hour ago, Troy said:

re you seriously relating the common cold to covid-19?!  If so we can't have a serious conversation.

Do you know what family of Virus the common cold belongs to? I don’t know if anyone told you, but the common cold is a form of Corona virus. The term Corona comes from the appearance of that family. Maybe you should do more research. 
 

I have already come to terms with the virus, it’s you that are still living in fear.

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46 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

would your scenario give 3 million votes to the losing

 

Very easily. Simply add up the voting population of the 39 states I did not list and then through in 49% of the remaining 11 states.

 

48 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

You're scenario is an almost PERFECT scenario....which usually doesn't happen in real life elections.

 

Of course it happens; it happened with Trump and Bush recently.

 

Again the down ballot elections (which you participate in) are just as, even more important than the presidential election.  

 

You are in Michigan @Pioneer1 just cast the stupid ballot, you hate 45 to win the state because you and your boys decided to sit this one out.

 

Just now, daniellegfny said:

Do you know what family of Virus the common cold belongs to?

 

OK thanks for making it perfectly clear that we can't have a reasonable conversation on the subject of Covid-19. I give up.

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Troy

 

you hate 45 to win the state because you and your boys decided to sit this one out.

 

Lol.....
Not sure if you got the gist of what I've been saying for the past few months but I actually PREFER Trump in office over Biden because of the chaos he brings.
He's helping to tear down the system by destroying people's faith in it.


Like I said, they like to put the Democrats in office to clean up the mess the Republicans made and get the system churning again so that people can maintain their faith in it.

As long as Trump is in the office lying, cheating, and screwing things up....people are seeing Washington for EXACTLY the clown show that it is.
Like Hollywood....it's a workshop for white supremacy and deception.
 

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10 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

Possibly. But shouldn’t the Country come first? I just couldn’t see electing people who want to destroy America.

All of the commentators on this page live in very different Americas. So the America that you want to see may seem like chaos to Pioneer and the revesrse may also be true. And as long as their is division little will change.

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25 minutes ago, Delano said:

And as long as their is division little will change.

I don’t believe that is accurate. There is a difference in perspective and philosophy. As long as we have a system that set up to foster freedom of the individual we can have this discussion. If certain philosophies come to pass the society becomes more cutthroat. 
 

Much of the opinions are more based on emotions and how people want to be perceived. If we discipline ourselves to surpass our feelings and do what is required we will achieve more positive results. Most throw up their hands.

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Daniel

 


But shouldn’t the Country come first?
 

My people (AfroAmericans) come before my nation.


Like  Malik Shabazz said, before there even WAS an America.....we were Black.
And looooooooooooooooooooooooong after America is gone from the scene there will STILL be Black folks, lol.

 

 



 I just couldn’t see electing people who want to destroy America.
 

Then why did you vote for Trump, who is ACTIVELY trying to destroy the United States on behalf of the Globalists?
 

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10 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

I don’t believe that is accurate. There is a difference in perspective and philosophy. As long as we have a system that set up to foster freedom of the individual we can have this discussion. If certain philosophies come to pass the society becomes more cutthroat. 

 

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 I just couldn’t see electing people who want to destroy America.
 

Then why did you vote for Trump, who is ACTIVELY trying to destroy the United States on behalf of the Globalists?

 

11 hours ago, Delano said:

And as long as their is division little will change.

 

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Some people don’t want America to exist as it currently does. They don’t recognize what we have here. Unity with them would be counterproductive. 

 

 

And some people don't have any imagination or vision BEYOND the society that Caucasians have constructed for them to live in.

 

For a dog or a cat........
Eating nasty food and sleeping on the floor is MUCH better than having to live outside in the elements and fight other animals to survive.  And on the occasion that the "Master" tosses it some scraps or allows it to sleep in the same bed with him.....oh man...they think it's "heaven" and thinks it don't get much better than that, lol.

 

Why?

 

Because (like that cable bill commercial that shows the hamster chewing on money....lol) they're ANIMALS and their intelligence is limited and their vision is limited so they don't have enough sense to imagine anything better than what they already are getting from their master.

 

A lot of our people are the same way.
They think THIS society we currently have is as good as it gets.....lol.
The idea that WE (as AfroAmericans) could actually build something bigger and better that would put this current world to shame is beyond their scope of imagination.

 

 

 

Most AfroAmericans hadn't IMAGINED a kingdom or even a city bigger than New York until the movie "Black Panther" came out.....which shows you how limited many of their minds were.

Like that old House Negro
When another slave comes to him and says "Come on man, let's go and leave this place........."

He stands there looking at him crazy and says:

 

Stephen (Tarantinoverse) | Villains Wiki | Fandom
"Go?
Go where?
Nicca you must be crazy!
You don't not recognize how good we GOT IT HERE!
Ain't nothing better than this here!
You can go if YOU wanna go.....but I love it here!!"

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