Is Black Culture Shifting

[Ann Bray Smith]

I can't but help getting the impression that black culture believes that as a result of the wait of a new president that their problems are going to magically disappear.  Truth of the matter, in days of slavery there were good masters and ruthless masters (slave owners).  However, the people were still slaves to some slave owner (good or ruthless).  Nevertheless, a huge percent of the black culture today are so distracted with trying to manipulate the image of what freedom is that we have been pulled right back into slavery thinking that Biden/Harris is going to give us our papers to freedom.  As long as Nike, Eddie Bauer, Michael Kors, Versace, bling, wigs, nail shops, casinos, marijuana shops, and electronics, etc. keep our nose open, we are going to wake up and realize that we are still enslaved.  Slavery has most ignorant to their own demise.  I voted!  However, I didn't vote thinking that any of the parties were to answer to our issues.  We are the only ones that possess the answers for what we need.  However, we aren't producing anything to prepare for what's coming.  We are not creating banks, jobs, food, grocery, transportation, world systems, black markets, clothing, wigs, casinos, communities, schools, armies, etc of our own.  Instead we are content with building up someone else's and making them shine for a few rations of green (knowing that all of it can be taken away at any moment).  We complain about everything.  Where are the solutions and why aren't we ready to solve these problems.  Soon our green and silver resources (money) is going to loose more value.  What are you doing to prepare for the shift? (it's coming, just not as some may think).  

What I am doing/have done:

1. open a school for students in my community

2. provide adult education for adults in my community

3. podcast to share perspectives to shift mindsets

4.  write and publish books to impact change from the inside out

5.  encourage others to create their own businesses

6.  created an alliance of black women, men, and children that is building a network of self sufficiency in revenue to financially support business needs

 

What can or are you doing in your community to sound the alarms?

[Pioneer1]

Before I can PROPERLY answer your question, I'll need you to specify WHICH "Black Culture" you're refering to.

There are literally HUNDREDS of Black cultures around the world with different beliefs and practices.
 

The Black Yoruba culture is different than the Black Zulu culture.

The Black Dravidian culture is different than the Black Ormomo culture.

The Black Wolof culture is different than the culture that most Black U.S. residents practice.

Now, judging by the context of your post I can kind of guess which one you're talking about, but I wouldn't want to assume.

So in order to be RIGHT and EXACT we should be specific as to which one it is.
 

[Ann Bray Smith]

Your behaviors are consistent with my perception of who I believe you are.  Therefore you are intelligent enough to know exactly what I am implying in my post (because it amused you enough to reply).  But to amuse you let me clarify, I am speaking of American population solely.  However, wherever we reside in this big ole world, whatever race or culture we identify with, I am certain that these issues run parallel.  

Nevertheless, if you have answers, enlighten me.

[Pioneer1]

"Your behaviors are consistent with my perception of who I believe you are.  Therefore you are intelligent enough to know exactly what I am implying in my post (because it amused you enough to reply).  But to amuse you let me clarify, I am speaking of American population solely.  However, wherever we reside in this big ole world, whatever race or culture we identify with, I am certain that these issues run parallel. " 

 

Translation:

 

 

"Don't ACT like you don't
know what I'm talking about."
 

 

....lol.

[Pioneer1]

ABS


Thank you for all of the great work you have done and are doing in the community Queen!

And to answer your question, YES....AfroAmerican culture is shifting.
Or to be more specific being MANIPULATED into a particular direction.
But this is nothing new.
Since our people didn't control the culture to begin with, we don't control the direction it moves in.  It is primarily controled by the White Supremacists.

Where are the solutions and why aren't we ready to solve these problems

 

In order to SOLVE a problem, you must first acknowledge that you actually HAVE one.

Most AfroAmericans have been in an oppressed and destitute condition for so long that they no longer recognize it as an actual "problem".  They think their life and way of living is normal.

Like Gibran says, many of our people have been INSTITUTIONALIZED to the point that prison and powerlessness feels normal to them.

What can or are you doing in your community to sound the alarms?

Like yourself and many others I've been preaching to my people for years about leaving the drugs alone, making peace with eachother, and trying to build our community and protect ourselves from White Supremacy.
And before us there have been others.

Sis....the alarms have been sounded.
But what good is a fire alarm for a "dead man"?

If loud bangs, people screaming in the hallways, and big choking clouds of smoke isn't enough to wake a man up in his room and alert him to the raging fire approaching.....the alarm going off probably won't either.

That man is dead or so far gone that he's near it.

We (me, you, and others) can not afford to put our safety in jeopardy standing in the halls of destruction waiting on criminals and drug addicts to wake up and sober up and run for safety.

It is time for us to flee from the coming destruction and LET IT HAPPEN.

I believe that the Divine Punishment is getting ready to descend upon the United States in order to cleanse it.

At THIS point.....our job is to GET OUT OF THE WAY and let it come.
Our job is to Pray and Hope that we survive and make it through to the other side to help build a NEW society.

They say it's going to be a "dark winter".

[Ann Bray Smith]

5 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

ABS


Thank you for all of the great work you have done and are doing in the community Queen!

And to answer your question, YES....AfroAmerican culture is shifting.
Or to be more specific being MANIPULATED into a particular direction.
But this is nothing new.
Since our people didn't control the culture to begin with, we don't control the direction it moves in.  It is primarily controled by the White Supremacists.

Where are the solutions and why aren't we ready to solve these problems

 

In order to SOLVE a problem, you must first acknowledge that you actually HAVE one.

Most AfroAmericans have been in an oppressed and destitute condition for so long that they no longer recognize it as an actual "problem".  They think their life and way of living is normal.

Like Gibran says, many of our people have been INSTITUTIONALIZED to the point that prison and powerlessness feels normal to them.

What can or are you doing in your community to sound the alarms?

Like yourself and many others I've been preaching to my people for years about leaving the drugs alone, making peace with eachother, and trying to build our community and protect ourselves from White Supremacy.
And before us there have been others.

Sis....the alarms have been sounded.
But what good is a fire alarm for a "dead man"?

If loud bangs, people screaming in the hallways, and big choking clouds of smoke isn't enough to wake a man up in his room and alert him to the raging fire approaching.....the alarm going off probably won't either.

That man is dead or so far gone that he's near it.

We (me, you, and others) can not afford to put our safety in jeopardy standing in the halls of destruction waiting on criminals and drug addicts to wake up and sober up and run for safety.

It is time for us to flee from the coming destruction and LET IT HAPPEN.

I believe that the Divine Punishment is getting ready to descend upon the United States in order to cleanse it.

At THIS point.....our job is to GET OUT OF THE WAY and let it come.
Our job is to Pray and Hope that we survive and make it through to the other side to help build a NEW society.

They say it's going to be a "dark winter".

 

I affirmed and believe this as well.  The messages are getting clearer by the day.  Some are just going to miss it in the shift.  Thanks for sharing your perspective with me.

[daniellegfny]

16 hours ago, Ann Bray Smith said:

I am speaking of American population solely.

The Black American population is a diverse lot. And not all are ADOS(A misleading term).

 

 I applaud your efforts and I believe that is the recurring theme and actions of the majority of productive members of society. However I believe that there is no such thing as a Black culture. I believe Blacks are living out different cultural experiences based on their associations. Many have competing interest. 

[Pioneer1]

Ann B.

 

You appear to be a genuinely sweet person, but if you're rewarding my posts AND Daniel's, that's offensive....lol.
 

 

 

That's like a woman saying:



"You're so handsome!"

Then she looks down at a GREMLIN and says to him:
 

"Oh, and you're so handsome too!"



 

Somehow the compliment doesn't feel quite as good as it did before...lol.
 

 

 

Daniel

 

However I believe that there is no such thing as a Black culture.  I believe Blacks are living out different cultural experiences based on their associations.
 

It seems to me that you're CONFLATING "Black culture" with "AfroAmerican culture".
There are plenty of Black cultures around the world, literally HUNDREDS.
 

Your words seem to reflect the reality of many AfroAmericans as opposed to Black people worldwide.
 

This is why I asked Ann to be more specific.
A lot of our people end up offending OTHER Africans around the planet by totally ignoring their contributions to culture and world history by pretending their cultures are totally irrelevant or don't even exist.

 

[daniellegfny]

15 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

There are plenty of Black cultures around the world, literally HUNDREDS.

You confirmed my statement. There is not “A” Black Culture. Most African cultures weren’t based on color. It’s doesn’t enter the dialogue until the 15th Century.

 

I am referencing African Americans and Africa: A New History. 

If you are familiar with the works of Diop color doesn’t play a significant role. In Origins of African Civilization he is more concerned with the common link to Egyptian Culture.

In the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries black Americans used the terms Negro, African, and occasionally black to describe themselves. In the South those enslaved on plantations often had little choice in what they would be called—they had identities ascribed to them. Privately, within the confines of slave quarters among other Africans, they no doubt chose their own labels.

[daniellegfny]

@Pioneer1 Roland A. Barton objected to the use of “Negro,” believing it “a white man’s word to make us feel inferior.” He wondered why even “natives of Africa” were called Negroes. Du Bois assured the young man that a name change would not alter the condition of blacks in America: “If men despise Negroes,” he wrote, “they will not despise them less if Negroes are called ‘colored’ or ‘Afro Americans.’” Rather, he suggested that the conditions for blacks must be changed: “First, to let the world know what there is fine and genuine about the Negro race. And secondly, to see that there is nothing about that race which is worth contempt; your contempt, my contempt; or the contempt of the wide, wide world.” Negro became the most accepted term until the 1960s when, at the height of the Black Power movement, young Americans of African descent embraced the term black.

[Pioneer1]

Daniel

 

 

You confirmed my statement. There is not “A” Black Culture. 

 

Technically speaking.......

If there are MULTIPLE Black cultures, then there actually IS "a" Black culture.  It's just not the only one.

 

 

Most African cultures weren’t based on color. 

 

That may be true, however they don't need to be BASED on Black skin color in order to be considered "Black culture" any more than Hiphop has to be performed by Black artists only in order for it to still be considered a Black form of music.
 

[daniellegfny]

1 minute ago, Pioneer1 said:

Hiphop has to be performed by Black artists only in order for it to still be considered a Black form of music.

Would you consider Rock and Roll Black?

You have fallen prey to the race game.

[Pioneer1]

3 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

@Pioneer1 Roland A. Barton objected to the use of “Negro,” believing it “a white man’s word to make us feel inferior.” He wondered why even “natives of Africa” were called Negroes. Du Bois assured the young man that a name change would not alter the condition of blacks in America: “If men despise Negroes,” he wrote, “they will not despise them less if Negroes are called ‘colored’ or ‘Afro Americans.’” Rather, he suggested that the conditions for blacks must be changed: “First, to let the world know what there is fine and genuine about the Negro race. And secondly, to see that there is nothing about that race which is worth contempt; your contempt, my contempt; or the contempt of the wide, wide world.” Negro became the most accepted term until the 1960s when, at the height of the Black Power movement, young Americans of African descent embraced the term black.

For me it's about ACCURACY.

Neely Fuller Jr. teaches that the main tool of White Supremacy is CONFUSION.
When you confuse people about who and what they are you cause division among them and make them easier to control.

Calling us "Black" and "Negro" (which is basically the same thing in different languages) adds to the CONFUSION because technically speaking we are not "Black" in color but various shades of brown.  This is one of the reasons so many of our people object to the term "Black" and choose to call themselves by other names and terms.


I use the term "African" and "AfroAmerican" because they are far more ACCURATE and lead to less CONFUSION as to what they mean.

[daniellegfny]

10 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

I use the term "African" and "AfroAmerican" because they are far more ACCURATE and lead to less CONFUSION as to what they mean.

African is the equivalent of calling someone Asian or European. You need to review the argument on labeling. Igbo culture is Igbo. Ewe culture is Ewe, German culture is German. In America we are finding our believed National identity was an illusion.

[Pioneer1]

Daniel

 

 

African is the equivalent of calling someone Asian or European.

 

That's true TRADITIONALLY.
However Neely Fuller Jr. says that sometimes we need to give words OUR OWN definitions  for accuracy.

 

Therefore Africa has 2 definitions:

 

1. A person who comes from the continent of Africa
or
2. A person of the so-called "Black" race.

 

 

 

 

 

You need to review the argument on labeling. Igbo culture is Igbo. Ewe culture is Ewe, German culture is German. In America we are finding our believed National identity was an illusion.

 

There is no contradiction.
You just need to understand the difference between RACE, ETHNICITY, and NATIONALITY.

 

African = Race
Igbo and Ewe = Ethnicity
German and American = Nationality.

 

Germans and Americans can be of ANY race and often are.

 

Igbo and Ewe are ethnic groups (tribes) and can be of Nigerian or Ghanaian nationality.

 

Africans can be of ANY nationality depending on which nation we were born in.

 

[daniellegfny]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

African = Race
Igbo and Ewe = Ethnicity
German and American = Nationality.

You are denying African Nation States. Also there is no African race. You are trying to justify a faulty premise. Your whole philosophy is based on reactions to perceived behavior of the Other.

[Troy]

6 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

You are denying African Nation States. Also there is no African race.

 

He has a point there @Pioneer1.

[Pioneer1]

Dan
 

You are denying African Nation States. Also there is no African race. You are trying to justify a faulty premise. 
 

No, YOU just didn't pay close enough attention and ignored half of my post.
 

I named 2 of them when I said:
"Igbo and Ewe are ethnic groups (tribes) and can be of Nigerian or Ghanaian nationality."

For reasons why you may have missed this, see my thread on Black Intelligence:  Black Intelligence VS Black Stupidity   ....lol.

 

Besides, the only one trying to justify a "faulty premise" is YOU when you try to legitimize these so-called "nation states" that were recently created by the White Supremacists.

Africa already had nations before the colonists, but those nation/states you speak of are ARTIFICIAL.  
Their borders were deliberately MADE UP and drawn in order to further divide the people and keep them in a constant state of conflict and warfare.

 

 

 

Your whole philosophy is based on reactions to perceived behavior of the Other.
 

The well documented history of the White Supremacists and the fact that they conquered and carved up the continent of Africa is more than just a "perception".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Troy
 

He has a point there 

Yeah, most men do.
Only difference is their points tend to be more developed after puberty....lol.

 

 

[daniellegfny]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

Besides, the only one trying to justify a "faulty premise" is YOU when you try to legitimize these so-called "nation states" that were recently created by the White Supremacists.

Benin wasn’t created by White Supremacist. It’s origins was 900 AD. Mali and Songhai are two more African social structures which surpassed all European Nation States.

[Pioneer1]

3 hours ago, daniellegfny said:

Benin wasn’t created by White Supremacist. It’s origins was 900 AD. Mali and Songhai are two more African social structures which surpassed all European Nation States.

.....and?

Nigeria, The Gold Coast, The Gambia, and South Africa WERE created by the White Supremacists.

These nations were created by the White Supremacist and their artificial borders were drawn to enclose several opposing ethnic groups who didn't get along with eachother.
The colonizers did this  DELIBERATELY to make sure they would continue to fight eachother and keep up conflict so that they could easily control them and steal the resources of the land.

 

[daniellegfny]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

The colonizers did this  DELIBERATELY to make sure they would continue to fight eachother and keep up conflict so that they could easily control them and steal the resources of the land.

You are completely white washing and diminishing the history of Africa. It comes from using 1492 as ground zero. You completely give power to people to create which was already in existence. You don’t build empires or nations through hugs and kisses. 
 

The wise examine the terrain to see what can be used in their favor. Black people don’t suffer from stupid or an illusionary white supremacy. The Black Count’s preface gives an account that could be describing today. 

[Pioneer1]

Dan

 

 

You are completely white washing and diminishing the history of Africa. 

 

No Daniel, what I'm attempting to do is FOCUS YOU  on one point or subject at a time instead of creating strawmen to argue against or being all over the map with subjects that are totally irrelevant to the discussion itself.

"You're totally ignoring the fact that Africa
is not a country but a continent that is almost
entirely surrounded by salt water!

See, that's your problem!"
 

 

 

 

 

 

It comes from using 1492 as ground zero. You completely give power to people to create which was already in existence. 

 

What and who are you talking about?

What are you referring to that  "already existed" that WASN'T created by people?

 

 

 

The wise examine the terrain to see what can be used in their favor. Black people don’t suffer from stupid or an illusionary white supremacy. The Black Count’s preface gives an account that could be describing today. 

 

Again.....
More random unrelated "all over the map" statements that not only DO NOT support your arguments but pretty much has NOTHING to do with the discussion.

Nothing to support YOUR argument.
Nothing to counter mine.
Just random useless information tossed out to fill in the gap.
 

Like I said, a discussion with you is like a discussion with a gopher.....


 

 

 

 

You pop up in one hole and make a statement....I respond to it......you disappear.....then pop up in another hole making a totally unrelated statement....I disprove that.....then you duck...dodge.....disappear.....then pop back up in the first hole making a statement that CONTRADICT the first statement you made.