Black Progressive, Black Conservative, or New Party All Togther?

[Pioneer1]

After talking to numerous Black people who identify as Conservatives and many more who don't and a few who...like myself...identify as Progressive; I've come to the conclusion that over 95% of all AfroAmericans share the same values and aren't given to one extreme or another like Caucasians tend to be.

Despite our political labels, most of us either share the SAME values or aren't actively opposed to those we may not personally share.

I'm a Progressive, but I do NOT support excessive regulations, demonizing the rich, or the transgender movement (although I do support homo-bi-sexual rights) and most Black people I know share the same views although they don't identify as Conservative and some even identify as Democrat if not Progressive.

I think intelligent politically active AfroAmericans should come to a table of agreement with eachother to nail down what exactly our values are and what would be best to move our community forward WITHOUT the interference of Caucasian Conservatives or Progressives.

 

 

 

 

"That's a GREAT idea!
We should have came together years ago instead of wasting time and
giving our ideas away to those mayonnaise sandwich eating $%&# !"
 

[Mzuri]

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Most Black people don’t even know whether they are

Conservative, Progressive, Liberal, etc. so this needs

to be defined.

 

I am Conservative because I believe in old-fashioned

family values, marriage should be a man and woman

as written in the Bible, pro-life, less government, right

to bear arms, America, and Capitalism. 

 

Those are some of my values that come to mind.

 

 

    

 

 

 

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[Pioneer1]

Mzuri

 

 

Most Black people don’t even know whether they are
Conservative, Progressive, Liberal, etc. so this needs
to be defined.

 

This is true.

The definitions of what it means to be Conservative or Progressive and Liberal are all over the map today.

40 years ago if a person called themselves a Liberal (Progressive) you pretty much KNEW what they meant.
They were for Black advancement, women's rights, worker's rights, and supported social programs for the poor.

 

Today is a person says they're Progressive (Liberal) you don't know WHAT the hell they mean.
They could be racist and sexist but as long as they want Marijuana legalized....they're running around calling themselves "Progressive".

You have Socialists and Communists who want to "own" the term Progressive to the exclusion of others.

 

The definition of what it means to be Conservative has changed somewhat too, but not as much.
Atleast when it comes to Conservative, those who want more leeway have changed themselves into the Libertarian Party.

 

I've been saying for years now that we need a series of conventions to NAIL DOWN exactly what it means to be Progressive, because too many racist and sexist people have INFILTRATED the Progressive movement over the years attaching their own personal little agendas to it.

 

 

 

 

I am Conservative because I believe in old-fashioned
family values, marriage should be a man and woman
as written in the Bible, pro-life, less government, right
to bear arms, America, and Capitalism. 

 

I'd say I support half of what you just said but I don't oppose the other half either.
Meaning, I wouldn't  PREVENT those who support those values from practicing them.

 

I consider myself a TRUE or Classical Liberal in the sense that I support a society where people are allowed to express themselves and do what they like as long as it's not infringing on the rights of or harming others.

A lot of White so-called Liberals DO NOT believe in that.
Many of them have extremist views and believe in IMPOSING those views on the rest of the population.

Just like a lot of Conservatives who claim to be pro-life and in favor of small government are pro-war, pro-death penalty, and supported the Patriot Act and other big government measures.  A functioning racist regardless of what they call themselves is usually a hypocrite who says one thing while supporting and doing the exact opposite.
 

[Mzuri]

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@Pioneer1  Great comments, as usual.

 

I agree with everything you wrote and always learn so much from you.

 

I also believe in “To each his own” and “Live and let live.”

 

I do not care what other people do, I just wish they would keep it to themselves.

 

And I don’t want to encounter any weirdos in the ladies room.

 

Is that too much to ask?

 

 

                                        

 

 

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[ProfD]

IMO, the last "tie" that bound black folks (those who identify as AfroAmericans to co-opt brotha Pioneer's term) to a significant degree was the Civil Rights movement.  That's the last time we were unified in our "politics".  Murder and bribery  has silenced black leadership over the past 50 years and counting.

 

Since affrimative action and a few other carefully constructed initiatives, our people have "arrived" in ways that have us all over the place" in every area of human activity.

 

Black folks have to codify our goals and objectives in the area of politics before we can begin to peel back the layers of the proverbial onion.  Rest assured, there will be plenty tears. 

 

 

[Mzuri]

4 minutes ago, ProfD said:

 

 

Black folks have to codify our goals and objectives in the area of politics before we can begin to peel back the layers of the proverbial onion.  Rest assured, there will be plenty tears. 

 

 

 

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The first thing that Black folks need to do is reject people that say this type of nonsense.

 

 

 

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[ProfD]

4 minutes ago, Mzuri said:

The first thing that Black folks need to do is reject people that say this type of nonsense.

Absolutely.  Part of the code would be to identify the folks who are least constructive in our efforts to move forward. 

 

If we had to do a beneficent purge, there are many black folks that we'd have to ask to STFU and sat down somewhere.

 

Again, peeling the onion would lead to a lot of tears especially when some loved ones aren't allowed to ride. 

[Pioneer1]

Mzuri

 

 

I do not care what other people do, I just wish they would keep it to themselves.
And I don’t want to encounter any weirdos in the ladies room.
Is that too much to ask?

Absolutely not dear sister, and this is why I say I DO NOT support the Transgender movement.

Now don't get me wrong.....
I support the right of a woman to CALL herself a man and dress like one if she wants to.
I support the right of a man to CALL himself a woman and dress like one if he wants to.

It's all a part of freedom of expression.

 

However when you try to MAKE ME call a man a "woman" when I don't believe it...now we have a problem, because you're infringing on MY rights.

Also when you give a grown man the right to walk around naked with his goober swinging from side to side in a room full of females (including young girls) at the gymn or spa...as long as he IDENTIFIES as a woman....you're codifying PERVRSION.

A lot of men who aren't even trans will take advantage of this and do it under the guise of being "trans" just to get a cheap thrill.

 

I don't know why "trans rights" became part of the Progressive Agenda.  It wasn't always that way but I think enough of them PAID the Democrat Party and certain Progressive circles enough to influence them to let them through the gates and sit down at the Progressive table.  Now they play a prominent role.

 

 

 

 

ProfD

 

 

IMO, the last "tie" that bound black folks (those who identify as AfroAmericans to co-opt brotha Pioneer's term) 

 

As much as I'd like to take credit for the term, I can't.  The term was coined before I was even born actually.
Brother Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) coined the term in the mid-60s.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely.  Part of the code would be to identify the folks who are least constructive in our efforts to move forward. 

 

I've said for years that we need a major separation in the AfroAmerican community where the INTELLIGENT and DECENT Black folks separate themselves from the fools, thugs, and ratchets and organize among ourselves to first identity our common goals (like we're doing in this thread) and then set about ACCOMPLISHING them.

 

As a community I know beyond a shadow of doubt that we'd make far more progress at a much quicker pace if we dropped the dead wait that has been slowing down and even holding back our community for decades.
One of the reasons our community hasn't made more progress than it has is because too often the smartest and producers of our community have to constantly stop to help the fools and ratchets catch up and keep up.
 

[ProfD]

1 hour ago, Pioneer1 said:

I don't know why "trans rights" became part of the Progressive Agenda.  It wasn't always that way but I think enough of them PAID the Democrat Party and certain Progressive circles enough to influence them to let them through the gates and sit down at the Progressive table.  Now they play a prominent role.

 

ProfD

 

 

IMO, the last "tie" that bound black folks (those who identify as AfroAmericans to co-opt brotha Pioneer's term) 

 

As much as I'd like to take credit for the term, I can't.  The term was coined before I was even born actually.
Brother Malik Shabazz (Malcolm X) coined the term in the mid-60s.

 

Absolutely.  Part of the code would be to identify the folks who are least constructive in our efforts to move forward. 

 

I've said for years that we need a major separation in the AfroAmerican community where the INTELLIGENT and DECENT Black folks separate themselves from the fools, thugs, and ratchets and organize among ourselves to first identity our common goals (like we're doing in this thread) and then set about ACCOMPLISHING them.

 

As a community I know beyond a shadow of doubt that we'd make far more progress at a much quicker pace if we dropped the dead wait that has been slowing down and even holding back our community for decades.
One of the reasons our community hasn't made more progress than it has is because too often the smartest and producers of our community have to constantly stop to help the fools and ratchets catch up and keep up.

The alphabet soup movement is being used by white supremacy to marginalize other groups and issues. 

 

As a group, the alphabet soup crew have  1) people in high places (power) and 2) money.  So, it was easy for them to form like a Voltron and make it happen (marriage, hate crime bills, etc.).

 

Many intelligent and decent black folks are in the same boat as the fools, thugs and ratchet in terms of ignorance. Our people have been dazed and confused in so many ways.  It's an onion. 

 

Yeah mayne, I'm hip that brotha Malcolm coined the term AfroAmerican but it's been a long time since I've seen or heard it used.  You have resurrected it. 

[Mzuri]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

However when you try to MAKE ME call a man a "woman" when I don't believe it...now we have a problem, because you're infringing on MY rights.

Also when you give a grown man the right to walk around naked with his goober swinging from side to side in a room full of females (including young girls) at the gymn or spa...as long as he IDENTIFIES as a woman....you're codifying PERVRSION.

A lot of men who aren't even trans will take advantage of this and do it under the guise of being "trans" just to get a cheap thrill.

 

I don't know why "trans rights" became part of the Progressive Agenda.  It wasn't always that way but I think enough of them PAID the Democrat Party and certain Progressive circles enough to influence them to let them through the gates and sit down at the Progressive table.  Now they play a prominent role.

 

 

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I could be wrong but I believe that all this trans rights business gained traction

when President Obama appointed the lesbians to the Supreme Court.

 

And I don’t mind them having their rights either, but it should be equal rights,

not their rights supersede everybody else’s.

 

I’ve had a couple of encounters with these fruit loops and I don’t understand

why they think they fit in.  

 

I could see it if an effeminate petite type wants to play dress-up and pretend

that he’s a girl, but if he’s built like a lumberjack, then no, stay in your closet

and wear your lady thongs underneath your Duluth clothing or whatever it is

that lumberjacks wear.

 

Don’t expect me to have a conversation with you about beauty products and 

gumbo recipes, and treat you like you’re a real girl.

 

           

 

 

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[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

 

The alphabet soup movement is being used by white supremacy to marginalize other groups and issues.

 

You're absolutely right, and I'm glad you also see this.

The LGBTQIA+ movement was orchestrated by the racists in order to be used as a COVER for their racist behavior.

 

If you notice, a White organization can't just call itself "White" anymore because that would be too obvious.  
So they have to choose another identity to focus you on...often along religious or sexual preference or political lines.

So instead of seeing it as the White racist organization that it is....you'll see "Queer Association of Greater Boston" and assume it's about sexual preference and not racist policies.

This also allows any criticism of the organization or accusations of racism to be DISMISSED as homophobic.

Since the 60s, racist Caucasians have been looking for a "cause" of their own to be able to wear that would "shield" them accusations of racism, so they made up several little "protected class" groups that allow them to hide inside.
 

 

"Excuse meeeee......
But how can I be racist when I'M  a person of color too?
My people are oppressed too!"
 

 

 

 

 

 

Mzuri

 

The trans rights movement has many causes but ONE of the reasons is because of the massive amount of sexual confusion that exists today...especially among a lot of young people (under 30).

 

A lot of young people are inter-sexed, or HERMAPHRODITES because of hormonal disruption.

Many boys think like girls...many girls think like boys.

Many young men aren't fully developed and have breasts or wide hips....and many girls are growing facial hair and large clitorises.

 

The foods and even water supply have been so polluted that it's literally changing and disrupting the body processes of so many young people.  So now many of them don't know WHAT the hell they are.  They don't know what category they fit in.

 

Scientists saw this early on decades ago when the frogs and fish were growing male parts on the female animal and vice versa.
They knew it would only be a matter of time before we saw the same among humans.

So many young people are so confused, that instead of demanding that the foods and water and environment be CLEANED UP of these toxins that are disrupting them and turning them into freaks...their solution is to just GO ALONG with the changes.

 

[Mzuri]

42 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

A lot of young people are inter-sexed, or HERMAPHRODITES because of hormonal disruption.

Many boys think like girls...many girls think like boys.

Many young men aren't fully developed and have breasts or wide hips....and many girls are growing facial hair and large clitorises.

 

The foods and even water supply have been so polluted that it's literally changing and disrupting the body processes of so many young people.  So now many of them don't know WHAT the hell they are.  They don't know what category they fit in.

 

Scientists saw this early on decades ago when the frogs and fish were growing male parts on the female animal and vice versa.
They knew it would only be a matter of time before we saw the same among humans.

So many young people are so confused, that instead of demanding that the foods and water and environment be CLEANED UP of these toxins that are disrupting them and turning them into freaks...their solution is to just GO ALONG with the changes.

 

 

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That’s so interesting because I always thought of Hermaphrodites in the traditional 

sense of someone having deformed genitalia as a birth defect.  Because we all start

off as female and then we either stay female or develop into a male, but with the  

Hermaphrodite, something went wrong during that process. 

 

I had no idea that our environment was so messed up that it was causing this much 

damage and that is awful.  But I am certain that the ones I have encountered were

not victims of the toxic environment, they were either off or just seeking attention.

 

I saw an old soldier at the Veterans medical facility wearing a denim mini skirt and

pigtails and I thought that it must be Halloween.  That was the ugliest “woman”

I ever saw, he had 5:00 o’clock shadow and he was a hot mess prancing around 

like he thought he was cute.

 

If this is what the world has become, we are doomed.

 

 

                              

 

 

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[ProfD]

I believe the alphabet soup community call the lumberjack looking dudes "bears".

 

D8mn, Mzuri, you may have given up a million dollar idea. The algorithm might inspire Duluth to make a thong. 

[nels]

"I think intelligent politically active AfroAmericans should come to a table of agreement with each other to nail down what exactly our values are and what would be best to move our community forward WITHOUT the interference of Caucasian Conservatives or Progressives." I'm a solid conservative. Also, what is accomplished by referencing "Caucasian Conservatives"? In my opinion, absolutely nothing. Furthermore, there are many so-called black Americans who have (a little to a lot of) Caucasian ancestry. Alienating them doesn't seem to bring anyone closer together.

10 hours ago, ProfD said:

IMO, the last "tie" that bound black folks (those who identify as AfroAmericans to co-opt brotha Pioneer's term) to a significant degree was the Civil Rights movement.  That's the last time we were unified in our "politics".  Murder and bribery  has silenced black leadership over the past 50 years and counting.

 

Since affrimative action and a few other carefully constructed initiatives, our people have "arrived" in ways that have us all over the place" in every area of human activity.

 

Black folks have to codify our goals and objectives in the area of politics before we can begin to peel back the layers of the proverbial onion.  Rest assured, there will be plenty tears. 

 

 

Black leadership hasn't been silenced, it's been absent of complete reality, relying on plantation mentality to catch the next bus on the way to the pink slip line.

[Pioneer1]

Mzuri

 

 

That’s so interesting because I always thought of Hermaphrodites in the traditional 
sense of someone having deformed genitalia as a birth defect.  Because we all start

off as female and then we either stay female or develop into a male, but with the  

Hermaphrodite, something went wrong during that process. 

 
Yeah, a hermaphrodite doesn't NECESSARILY have deformed genitals.  Although that's often the case.  But they have BOTH SETS of genitals for both the male and the female.
Usually one side dominates over the other, but they are equal ENOUGH to be considered a disorder.

In some ancient cultures Hermaphrodites held a high status because they were thought to be "special"; being able to relate to both sexes.

Also, they usually didn't get married, so they could joint the priesthoods and dedicate their lives to religious endeavors.

 

 

 

 

  But I am certain that the ones I have encountered were 

not victims of the toxic environment, they were either off or just seeking attention.

 

That's true.
Most transgenders people I've met seem to have mental disorders.  It's all in their minds.  They don't have 2 sets of genitals (that I know of...haven't seen them with their clothes off) but have psychological issues.

 

A lot of Black men choose to be "transgender women" because the pressures of being a Black man are often so harsh in this society that they feel their lives would be easier if they were a woman.

Especially if you grew up in a rough neighborhood where you were forced to join gangs or are harassed by the police....if you're a male.
...just become a female and avoid the hassle.

 

 

 

 

If this is what the world has become, we are doomed.

 

Well as I said on the other thread....
Just because THIS world..the Caucasian world...is collapsing in on itself, doesn't necessarily mean our world has to.
Their world isn't our world.

We have OUR OWN world that we should be building to take the place of this collapsing one.

 

Infact, if you are religious....you should REJOICE at the doom and collapse of this world.
The Bible says "Behold I make all things new" 
I'm not religious....but I would think a good Christian would look FORWARD to the collapse and destruction of this current world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

nels

 

 

I'm a solid conservative.

 

Can you flesh that out a little more and go into detail as to EXACTLY what you mean by a "solid conservative"?

What one person considers "conservative" the other person might consider just plain common sense with no political attachment to it.

 

 

 

 Also, what is accomplished by referencing "Caucasian Conservatives"? 

 

Caucasian Conservatives have traditionally been the ones who defined Conservatism and what the movement stood for.
It wasn't Black people.

Black people began IDENTIFYING themselves as Conservative sometime in the 80s, but it was the Whites who invented and pretty much defined the term.

 

 

 

Alienating them doesn't seem to bring anyone closer together.

 

Perhaps the goal is NOT come "closer together" with your racist enemy but to SEPARATE from him and become INDEPENDENT of him.

Why would a person want to come "closer together" with a racist who hates them and wishes to destroy them and their children???

Should Jews seek to come "closer together" with the Nazis of Germany?

 

[Mzuri]

9 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

 

A lot of Black men choose to be "transgender women" because the pressures of being a Black man are often so harsh in this society that they feel their lives would be easier if they were a woman.

 

Especially if you grew up in a rough neighborhood where you were forced to join gangs or are harassed by the police....if you're a male.
...just become a female and avoid the hassle.

 

 

I'm a solid conservative.

 

Can you flesh that out a little more and go into detail as to EXACTLY what you mean by a "solid conservative"?

 

What one person considers "conservative" the other person might consider just plain common sense with no political attachment to it.

 

Caucasian Conservatives have traditionally been the ones who defined Conservatism and what the movement stood for.

 

 

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Is there anything that you DON’T know about?

 

I have wondered why a Black man would want to become a woman, and what you

say makes sense, but I don’t see how their lives are made easier by trying to live

as a woman.  

 

This would mean that they aren’t really transexual at all, they are just looking for a 

way out of a miserable existence and entering into another miserable existence by 

disguising themselves as something they are not, when people don’t fall for their

new identity anyway.

 

Besides that, being a Black woman isn’t easy either.  Why do men think that life is 

any easier us, that’s a big misconception.

 

If there are any Black women who have had some charmed life, please let me know.

 

About being a Black Conservative, as I have previously expressed, all the various

political labels need to be defined.  What if it has a particular meaning to one 

person/group and a different meaning to others?

 

 

                          

 

 

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[ProfD]

Pioneer provides a logical reason on the motivation behind transgender folks. I think it goes deeper though. 

 

Sexual confusion is thousands of years old. In fact, the old Romans and Greeks weren't confused at all. Look at the pictures. Some of those dudes looked trans on the regular.

 

Several decades ago, we knew dudes who were sexually confused. Most of them were in closet.

 

White supremacy opened the floodgates for the alphabet soup movement and as Diana Ross provided the soundtrack...they've come out in full force. It has to be accepted or else.

 

I know  folks in the alphabet soup movement. They've said to me, why would I choose this way of life. In their minds, they were born that way. It's not my place to dispute or argue against their position.

 

Selfishly, I just figured the alphabet soup movement meant more women for me. Well, except for the woman who wears bigger watches than mine. 

[Pioneer1]

Mzuri

 

This would mean that they aren’t really transexual at all, they are just looking for a 
way out of a miserable existence and entering into another miserable existence by 
disguising themselves as something they are not, when people don’t fall for their
new identity anyway.

 

Well I draw a distinction between trans-GENDERED and trans-SEXUAL...although both are part of the "Trans Movement"

A trans-SEXUAL person is a person who has the full operation to go from a man to a woman or vice versa and has the plumbing changed.  
A trans-GENDERED person is a person who merely DRESSES and ACTS and THINKS like the opposite sex...but physically, nothing has changed on them.  
Gender = mentality 

Obviously most people are trans-GENDERED because it's the easiest way to transform yourself.  A man can just put on a wig or dress and do your best to act like a woman, or vice-versa for a woman.

 

 

 

 

Besides that, being a Black woman isn’t easy either.  Why do men think that life is 
any easier us, that’s a big misconception.
If there are any Black women who have had some charmed life, please let me know.

These confused Black men figure they'd have less problems out of society if they appear less "intimidating" as a woman.

Even in the most gang infested territory, women often get a pass where as a man is constantly having his manhood challenged by other males.
Stray bullets DO hit women often, and women DO get into fights...but they don't experience as much serious violence as men often do.

 

When it comes to the police encounters.....
Women are often beat up and killed, but not AS MUCH as what happens to men.

You grow up routinely hearing about how woman get out of traffic tickets and other negative encounters from the cops by showing a little cleavage or acting dainty.  A lot of boys hear this and it's ingrained in their minds that the more feminine they act the less harsh their treatment will be.
 

The racists of this society clearly see Black males as more threatening not just because of their strength and aggression but their sexuality and ability to have sex with White women and reproduce other people of color.
Evidence for this is how so many are castrated and had their penises and balls removed as part of the lynching process.
 

Many if not most Black boys instinctively know this growing up, and some have decided to "show the world" that he no longer poses a threat or challenge to White Supremacy nor does he have any desire to screw a White woman.
They do it by putting on a dress and lipstick and switching down the street like a gap legged fool or getting on television to do the same.

 

 

 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

You're correct that these behaviors have gone back THOUSANDS of years.
And you find it not only in Greece but even in India you can find certain castes where this is common.
....sex with animals too.
 

I think you may be talking more about homosexuality....which is PART of the Alphabet-crew.
But I'm speaking more specifically about the TRANS aspect of it.

This goes beyond sexual orientation and into more outwardly displays of certain behaviors.

 

 

 

White supremacy opened the floodgates for the alphabet soup movement and as Diana Ross provided the soundtrack

 

And they piggy-backed off of the Civil Rights and Women's Rights movements to do so.
Back in the 80s they started tying in being anti-gay with being anti-Black and kept using the same wording over and over and over again so when you heard one you heard the other.
They lobbied the Democrat party with so much money that they became included as core member of it.
And the Transgender/sexual community is seeking to do the same thing.

But I personally draw a distinction between the homo/bisexual movement and the trans movement.

 

One is pretty much what a person does in the bedroom in the privacy of their own home, but the other is more about forcing you to accept them based on what they claim they are...often against your own free will.
Further, the trans movement is being used to "cover up" the catastrophe that environmental toxins are making out of humanity.
So many chemicals are being added to the food and dumped in the water to change the vary nature of humanity itself and these movements are being launched to make these mutations seem "normal". 

[Mzuri]

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@Pioneer1 Not so graphic please, I am dainty.  Seriously, please have

consideration for my sensibilities.  Thank You.

 

 

           

 

 

 

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[Pioneer1]

Mzuri

Ok....lol....I removed the picture of "Wanda".

They've been putting Black men in dresses and lipstick since back in the 60s with "Geraldine".

 

 

@nels

???
Conservative?

 

[ProfD]

Pioneer, I lumped trans into the sexually confused. But, dealing more specifically with transgender, that's been ongoing for just as long as the rest. 

 

Throughout history, boys and men have either by force or choice,  dressed like women.

 

The most widely recognized head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, is widely rumored to show up at parties dressed as a woman.

 

The funniest thing is that while this dude (Hoover) went after the mafia (soft peddling) and completely destroyed every progressive black movement through COINTELPRO, nobody ever outed him. That's how white supremacy closes ranks.

 

I *hate* that the alphabet soup movement in which T is Trans, co-opted the Civil Rights movement to advance their own platform.

 

Transgender folks benefit from the protection afforded by the alphabet soup movement. They feel free to flaunt their BS.

 

The saddest part to me is that RuPaul, a nigglet, is allowing white supremacy to put him on the cover of the movement. This dude is winning Emmy awards for that BS he's pushing on TV.

 

White supremacy has instructed that from a child to an adult, anyone who identifies as Trans, non-binary or whatever, has the right to do so and protection under the law. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

RuPaul, Billy Porter, and Lil Nas X are all TOOLS that racists use to "buck break" Black males and make them look weak, effeminate, and humiliate them around the world.

 

It's really aimed less at the adults but more at the children.
Just like those In Living Color skits where Jammie Fox dressed up as "Ugly Wanda" went around acting a fool in the 90s.
And even Tyler Perry and Martin Lawrence movie where they dressed up as Black women and acted a fool....which was more humiliation.
You didn't see the effects IMMEDIATELY, but after about 10 years or so you saw Black men switching down the street acting JUST LIKE the characters we saw on In Living Color.
Even "Men on Film" characters.
 

While this is seen as "innocent entertainment" to the adults, to the Black children and especially the Black boys watching...a SEED is dropped into their head that if they want to get along in  society and appear harmless, dress up like a woman and everyone will laugh at you and love you.

RuPaul and Billy Porter are getting older, so now they have to have come up with NEW tools to use for their diabolical purposes so they're training Lil Nas X to be their new guy.
 

Problem is, Lil Nas X claims he misses women....lol.

Lil Nas X Says He Misses 'P****' After Breakup with Guy from Music Video (tmz.com)



He "misses" it???
How was he GETTING it in the first place to even miss...if he were actually gay?

Why would a gay young mad have even been INVOLVED with women in the first place unless his entire identity has been a fraud to begin with and the racists are PAYING this fool to disgrace himself as Black men?

[ProfD]

9 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

TOOLS that racists use to "buck break" Black males and make them look weak, effeminate, and humiliate them around the world.
 

While this is seen as "innocent entertainment" to the adults, to the Black children and especially the Black boys watching...a SEED is dropped into their head that if they want to get along in  society and appear harmless, dress up like a woman and everyone will laugh at you and love you.

 

NEW tools to use for their diabolical purposes so they're training Lil Nas X to be their new guy.

Agreed. The timeline you provided is crucial to understanding the modern day buck breaking. 

 

Even athletes aren't exempt. Some of the biggest, strongest and most powerful Black dudes on the planet are made to dress in such a way that it softens their masculinity. 

 

I'm a huge fan of NFL football. Breast cancer awareness is a big deal. But, the fact that NFL players have to wear pink accessories during breast cancer awareness month is another example of buck breaking. 

 

This past summer an NFL player announced that he was gay. The league ran with it faster than they acknowledged police brutality.

 

Don't be surprised to see NFL players having to wear some rainbow socks or wristbands and run onto the field with the Village People's "Macho Man" blaring from the speakers. 

 

Former QB Cam Newton was often shown in his post game attire. He always looked like a muscle bound version of a cross between a pimp and Mrs. Doubtfiire.

 

Then, so many black boys are being raised without strong fathers and other black male roles. Growing up in a house full of estrogen has to be toxic on some level. 

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

And don't forget the recent stunt L.A. Laker's  Russel Westbrook pulled a few weeks a go walking down the street in a skirt:





Russel Westbrook of the L.A. Lakers.

[ProfD]

That move by Russ Westbook and Lil Nas X's "pregnancy" all in the same space and time was just further proof that these young  nigglets are totally ignorant.

[Mzuri]

3 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

And don't forget the recent stunt L.A. Laker's  Russel Westbrook pulled a few weeks a go walking down the street in a skirt:
 

 

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That outfit is horrible, it's not even matching.  He needs a better wardrobe consultant or 

personal stylist, that's for sure.  

 

As to RuPaul, I cannot believe that this one-trick pony is still around after all these years. 

He used to be interesting, but now he just seems washed up, lapping up any attention

that comes his way. 

 

And I'm sick of Billy Porter with his garish outfits, prancing around like a peacock when 

he's really a jive turkey. If he weren't a celebrity he'd probably be in jail somewhere.

 

All three of them could have set such a positive example for Black men but instead

they chose to be embarrassing clowns.

 

 

           

 

 

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[Pioneer1]

7 hours ago, ProfD said:

That move by Russ Westbook and Lil Nas X's "pregnancy" all in the same space and time was just further proof that these young  nigglets are totally ignorant.

They wouldn't have been allowed to do this 50 or 60 years ago.
They would have been afraid to come amongst Black people if they had.
Might as well stay in Hollywood where it's safe, because if they came back to the hood.......lol.

But today, they have conditioned so many of our people to accept and tolerate anything...step by step....generation by generation...that some of our people are willing to tolerate ANY type of behavior as long as White people tell them it's appropriate.
Each generation is CONDITIONED to accept more perversion than the previous one.
They don't do it all at once....but step by step.

Like Neely Fuller Jr. said...he saw back in the 60s that they were gonna start having Black men bouncing up and down the street in dresses.
He also said that they were gonna try to make Black women obsolete to the point that so many Black women will start signing up in the military and dying overseas in the arms of eachother as lovers.
 

[ProfD]

Prior to the 1960s, US culture was what  Agent Orange (45, Trump) was referring to with his "Make America Great Again" slogan.

 

Back in the 1950s, Black folks, women, immigrants, alphabet soup crew, etc. were all kept in their place.

 

The revolutions of the 1960s provided more latitude for everything we see in society today. But, white supremacy never sleeps. It always looks for an angle to expoit. It's good for the business.

 

So, sex, civil rights and women's rights were all lumped together In a package. We've seen it grow from 1970s to present.

 

White supremacy will exploit and propagate anything that's controversial, abnormal or negative or a pain in their proverbial azz. Dysfunctional non-whites is child's play. 

 

[Pioneer1]

The Sex Revolution and Free Sex movements ended before I was entering Highschool in the mid-80s.

I had heard about it from my uncles and some of the older men, but it appears that the AIDS crisis of the 80s put an end to the days of "free loving".

Around '84 or '85...if you saw a woman under 140 pounds...you were looking at her side ways wondering "what if".

[ProfD]

10 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

The Sex Revolution and Free Sex movements ended before I was entering Highschool in the mid-80s.

I had heard about it from my uncles and some of the older men, but it appears that the AIDS crisis of the 80s put an end to the days of "free loving".

Around '84 or '85...if you saw a woman under 140 pounds...you were looking at her side ways wondering "what if".

I guess it depends on where one lived in the 1980s. When the AIDS epidemic came to light in 1981, it temporarily suspended free sex for about 20 minutes in my hood.

 

Once AIDS was considered a "gay disease", heterosexual folks jumped right back in the sack. Proof is in the population. A helluva lotta folks have been born since the 1980s.

 

Between population growth and alternative forms of sex, I think the revolution is still going strong and it's being televised. 

[Pioneer1]

In the Detroit it was considered more of a biological weapon designed against Black people....and I STILL think it is, btw.
To a lesser extent it was considered a "gay disease" right up until 1995 when Easy E got sick and died from it, and then it lost that stigma.

Today you hear less conspiratorial talk among most young Black people.
They allowed their White "friends" and co-workers to talk them out of believing anything they didn't hear on CNN or Fox News.

As far as free sex goes...........

I wasn't TOO MUCH of a ladies man to begin with...lol...so I'm not the best one to judge how easy or hard sexual access has changed over time.
I go by the stories the older Black men...Baby Boomers...told me about how easy it was to just go to any bar, pool room, or hamburger joint and in a couple hours you could have 2 or 3 women in your bed getting busy with all of them.
This was especially the case in White communities in urban areas.

I'm not sure about that but what I HAVE witnessed is how easy it is to get sex in places like Canada and Western Europe as compared to the U.S. 
At a time when you had to have good conversation, get a phone number, and go out on atleast a date or two before having sex with a woman in the United States.....back in the 80s and 90s a simple stroll through a shopping mall in Canada would guarantee you a wet willy...lol
 

 

 

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"You want me to come over and sit
next  to you?
Who?
Me???
Are you SURE you're talking to me?
Naaaah.....stop playing girl!
For real???"

 

 

 

[ProfD]

AIDS was created and spread through minority communities like drugs. Of course, there was collateral damage i.e. sacrificial white folks.

 

First, they came up with a drug cocktail that allowed folks to live without HIV becoming full blown AIDS and deadly. Fast-forward to present and now they have a drug that allows people to enjoy alternative sex without contracting the HIV virus.

 

Follow the science, er, I mean the money. Every plandemic is about someone getting paid and maintaining white supremacy. 

 

 I believe Eazy E was killed by his business partner/manager/lawyer/friend, Jerry Heller. Eazy wasn't gay or an intravenous drug user. So, how in in hello Pete did he contract AIDS. He was poisoned. Oldest trick in the power/money grab book. 

 

In the 1970s, affirmative action neutered the Civil Rights struggle. Black folks had arrived with good paying jobs, affordable houses in the suburbs and good schools for their chilluns. 

 

Black consciousness really  took a nosedive in the 1980s. N8gglets were dancing and signing happy rap songs with no sociopolitical substance. PCP and Crack dealt the KO blow.

 

It wasn't until Public Enemy came out with "Fight the Power" that black dudes started wearing X hats. The Native Tongues (Jungle Brothers & A Tribe Called Quest, De LA Soul, etc.) had dudes wearing medallions and Afro-Centric attire. 

 

That lasted for a year or two before Gangsta Rap exploded on the music scene and took off. Except for a handful of conscious rappers, most of the music glorified life in the prison of white supremacy (selling drugs, killing, getting high and sex). 

 

So, it's no surprise that what we're seeing today regarding a lack of sociopolitical consciousness among AfroAmericans are seeds that were planted and germinated several decades ago. 

[Mzuri]

4 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

In the Detroit it was considered more of a biological weapon designed against Black people....and I STILL think it is, btw.

To a lesser extent it was considered a "gay disease" right up until 1995 when Easy E got sick and died from it, and then it lost that stigma.

Today you hear less conspiratorial talk among most young Black people.
They allowed their White "friends" and co-workers to talk them out of believing anything they didn't hear on CNN or Fox News.

As far as free sex goes...........

I wasn't TOO MUCH of a ladies man to begin with...lol...so I'm not the best one to judge how easy or hard sexual access has changed over time.
I go by the stories the older Black men...Baby Boomers...told me about how easy it was to just go to any bar, pool room, or hamburger joint and in a couple hours you could have 2 or 3 women in your bed getting busy with all of them.
This was especially the case in White communities in urban areas.

I'm not sure about that but what I HAVE witnessed is how easy it is to get sex in places like Canada and Western Europe as compared to the U.S. 
At a time when you had to have good conversation, get a phone number, and go out on atleast a date or two before having sex with a woman in the United States.....back in the 80s and 90s a simple stroll through a shopping mall in Canada would guarantee you a wet willy...lol

 

 

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@Pioneer1

 

AIDS started in the Caucasoid community with the gay flight attendant.  

It probably entered our community through some downlow brother that 

was getting down with fruity whitey.

 

I cannot believe you weren’t a ladies man as smooth-talking as you are 

now.  How often did you stroll through those Canadian malls?

 

Enquiring minds need to know.

 

 

@ProfD  “Make America Great Again” was Reagan’s campaign slogan. 

 

 

 

                                              

 

 

 

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[Pioneer1]

ProfD

 

Man, your post pretty much summed it up!
I'm not sure what else to add to it except to comment on a few things.

 

I too believe that Eazy E was targeted.
Did you see when Suge Knight went on some talk show and BRAGGED about injecting Eazy E with AIDS?
I forgot who's show it was, but it was disgusting how he made fun of that man's death.

 

 

 

 

 

So, it's no surprise that what we're seeing today regarding a lack of sociopolitical consciousness among AfroAmericans are seeds that were planted and germinated several decades ago.

 

You're right.
But look at the fertile SOIL of ignorance and immorality that those seeds could be dropped in!

Wonder I've taken such a PRAGMATIC instead of overly optimistic view towards the collective progress of the AfroAmerican community?

Most of the damage being done to the AfroAmerican community isn't being done directly from outside aggression...but from those INSIDE the community who are mentally and/or morally weak and are easily used as weapons against their own BY the racists.

Drugs, Gangsta Rap, and the Gangstaz themselves wouldn't be so prevelant among a people who were collectively intelligent and morally upright.
They only thrive in communities where those weaknesses already exist and all you need is a seed dropped in that soil.

Look at people like Russel Westbrook and Lil Nas X who come on wearing dresses.

Could you even PAY Arab men enough money to go out in public with dresses and high-heels on?
We know many of them do it behind closed doors, but they INSTINCTIVELY know to keep it hush-hush even in America.

The question we must ask is why is it so easy to PAY and TRICK a negro into doing something like that to begin with???
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mzuri

 

 

AIDS started in the Caucasoid community with the gay flight attendant.  
It probably entered our community through some downlow brother that 
was getting down with fruity whitey.

 

That's the official version of how it happened.
However like most diseases that disproportionally impact Black people, it doesn't explain WHY it disproportionally affects Black people.

The majority of HIV-AIDS cases are in Sub-Saharan African, where most of the people are neither drug users or homosexuals...but they still have the highest rates which doesn't make any sense if we follow the official story.

 

I've heard different theories but the one I believe the most is that it HIV was a bio-weapon (chemically engineered) that was INJECTED into Black people both on the continent as well as in the U.S.

I believe other diseases are being given to our people to.

Do I have absolute PROOF of this?
No.
But it's almost DEFACTO proof because there is no other explanation for how such strange diseases that didn't exist BEFORE contact with Caucasians all of a sudden exist AFTER contact with them.

 

We also have evidence based on law enforcement that Covid-19 is being directly given to certain Black populations.
 

If things like this don't make you want to stay on good terms with The SUPREME BEING and stay in tuned with your Spirituality....I don't know what else will.

You're dealing with VERY smart racists.

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot believe you weren’t a ladies man as smooth-talking as you are 

now.  How often did you stroll through those Canadian malls?

 

"Oh stop it....tee hee hee...."
 

Because smooth talk doesn't necessarily come with smooth looks.
I wasn't "pretty" like Prince, so I had to work at mines...LOL.

 

When I lived in Detroit I started going to Canada when I was a teenager because you can drink at 19 over there.
When I was in my 20s and 30s I would go once or twice a month, depending which friends I was with.

Plus I found out it was much safer in Canada than in Detroit.

 

[Mzuri]

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@Pioneer1

 

It amazes me that some of you guys believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories but 

you refuse to consider that the presidential elections may have been rigged.  

 

As to your looks, I'm sure that you are an attractive man.  Sometimes we judge 

ourselves too harshly.  

 

Most women don't want a pretty boy.  Who wants to be with someone who

asks to borrow your eyeliner.  I prefer a man with rugged looks, a real man.  

And someone who is intelligent.  

 

                                                     

 

 

 

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[Pioneer1]

Mzuri

 

 

It amazes me that some of you guys believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories but 
you refuse to consider that the presidential elections may have been rigged.  

 

Not me.
I believe EVERY Presidential Election since Roosevelt has been rigged.  And probably most of them before him.

 

I also believe there was MASSIVE vote fraud and voter suppression in both the 2000 and 2016 Presidential elections.

Hundreds of thousands of Black votes were either ignored or discarded and this was done in plain sight down in Florida back in 2000.

 

This is why I say Black folks should be focusing on LOCAL politics, because national politics right now is pretty much sewn up.
 

 

 

 

 

Most women don't want a pretty boy.  Who wants to be with someone who

asks to borrow your eyeliner.  

 

It's funny you said that because after I got out of school and met some of my old classmates.....
I noticed that most of the girls who were chasing after the "pretty boys" actually turned out to be LESBIANS.
They didn't like boys anyway, and I guess their lust for the "pretty" and "feminine" type boys with a big head of greasy hair was actually the closest thing they could get to being with another female without being exposed as lesbian at that time.

Now that things are more open, you see tend to see more people with who they actually want.

 

 

 

[ProfD]

2 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

This is why I say Black folks should be focusing on LOCAL politics, because national politics right now is pretty much sewn up.

You're absolutely correct. 

 

For AfroAmericans, the general election is the voting equivalent of children interjecting their thoughts in an adult conversation.

 

There is so much more work to be done at the local and state level when it comes politics.  The folks running the school board, courts, mayor, governor, etc., control what's happening where people  live, work and play.

 

Even before voting in local and state elections, AfroAmericans need an agenda.  A list of things that matter to them as it relates to their community.  Citizens have a choice in whether they get more liquor stores and beauty supply stores or black-owned businesses and better schools. 

 

When it comes to politics, AfroAmericans have a LOT of work to do in codifying their agenda on local, state and national levels. 

[Pioneer1]

6 hours ago, ProfD said:

You're absolutely correct. 

 

For AfroAmericans, the general election is the voting equivalent of children interjecting their thoughts in an adult conversation.

 

There is so much more work to be done at the local and state level when it comes politics.  The folks running the school board, courts, mayor, governor, etc., control what's happening where people  live, work and play.

 

Even before voting in local and state elections, AfroAmericans need an agenda.  A list of things that matter to them as it relates to their community.  Citizens have a choice in whether they get more liquor stores and beauty supply stores or black-owned businesses and better schools. 

 

When it comes to politics, AfroAmericans have a LOT of work to do in codifying their agenda on local, state and national levels. 

You took the words right out of my mouth!
I don't know if I could have been more detailed.

A good LOCAL political base also helps you if you want to go state-wide and nationally anyway.

AfroAmericans need to secure a serious of strong LOCAL powerbases around the nation....especially in predominately Black cities like Atlanta, Detroit, St Louis, ect....and other places with large Black populations like Houston and Philly.   
We need to secure ourselves locally first...so that we will be a proper shape to have a strong national influence.

[nels]

On 10/1/2021 at 11:13 AM, Pioneer1 said:

I support the right of a woman to CALL herself a man and dress like one if she wants to.
I support the right of a man to CALL himself a woman and dress like one if he wants to.

It's all a part of freedom of expression.

From my perspective, it's pure insanity.

On 10/1/2021 at 12:57 PM, ProfD said:

The alphabet soup movement is being used by white supremacy to marginalize other groups and issues. 

“LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ: Gay Rights Movement or Alphabet Soup?” — by Eric Marcus | December 10, 2008 | Hmmm... Which one is it? White supremacy has absolutely nothing to do with this analogy.

[Pioneer1]

Nels

 

From my perspective, it's pure insanity.

 

As an American, I support freedom of expression per the Constitution.
They do them....I do me.
Would you make a law against it and make it ILLEGAL for men to dress like women and women to dress like men?

BTW, you STILL didn't answer my question as to what you meant by "solid conservative".
That could mean next to ANYTHING.
Could you be so kind as to provide a brief list of the values you support by calling yourself a "solid conservative"?

[ProfD]

16 hours ago, Pioneer1 said:

As an American, I support freedom of expression per the Constitution.
 

They do them....I do me

 

.Would you make a law against it and make it ILLEGAL for men to dress like women and women to dress like men?

Yo bro, I know you didn't ask me but yes, I would make it illegal for men to dress like women and vice versa. 

 

Freedom of expression is exactly how we are ending up with more confusion. 

 

Heaven forbid i live long enough to take up residence at the Sunrise Assisted Living Facility (SALF). 

 

The last thing I want is a Rasputia looking dude with spider eyelashes changing my diaper or bed pan. 

 

Thankfully, as an alpha-male, I'd take myself out before that could happen. 

 

But, the point remains the same...folks need to  present themselves in the image the Supreme Being created them. 

 

Tricks are for kids.

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Well brother, I USED to feel that way.
And I still do believe that there is an agenda to get Black men to dress up in dresses and effeminate them.

However if we go down that route of banning and making it illegal for men or women to wear certain things...........

The question would then become.....who decides what is "women's clothing" and what is "men's clothing"?

Should it be illegal for a man to have ONE earring in his ear?
What about 2?
In some cultures, the men wear earrings.....especially in ancient cultures.

What about make-up?
In some African cultures the men wear more make-up than the women.

My point is, I hear what you're saying....but it's a slippery slope.
 

[ProfD]

12 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

My point is, I hear what you're saying....but it's a slippery slope.

The questions you raise are valid.  Your signaure line answers it...no more confusion. 

 

Regardless of how one chooses to dress and/or accessorize, we should never have to guess and/or be unclear about the individual's gender.

 

Before it comes up, I know Scottish men wear skirts, er, kilts,  That's their problem.  

[Pioneer1]

ProfD

Well.....
Let me come at you THIS way........

 

 

Wouldn't you like to know WHICH men around you had a propensity for wearing women's clothing?

Wouldn't you like to know exactly WHICH men around you found you SEXUALLY attractive and might hit on you?

Or would you like them to keep it a secret,  keep it on the down-low; and you end up finding out the "hard" way?
....pun intended, lol.

[ProfD]

38 minutes ago, Pioneer1 said:

ProfD

Well.....
Let me come at you THIS way........

Wouldn't you like to know WHICH men around you had a propensity for wearing women's clothing?

Wouldn't you like to know exactly WHICH men around you found you SEXUALLY attractive and might hit on you?

Or would you like them to keep it a secret,  keep it on the down-low; and you end up finding out the "hard" way?
....pun intended, lol.

It does not matter to me whether a man has a propensity for wearing women's clothing nor if he's attacted.  I'm secure within my own manhood.

 

Physically, I'm not the type of dude the average fairy guy wants to "try" unless he's ready to die. 

 

Besides, most alphabet soup dudes kinda know who they can either approach and/or take advantage of with that BS.  

 

That's why it's important to overthrow the system of white supremacy and replace it with a system of justice and correctness.  

[Rev]

White supremacy first of all is false by calling anyone white already degrade ourself just like if there’s good there’s bad if there’s pure there’s unpure therefore if there’s white there’s black so let recondition our mind and our children’s white people aren’t white they pinkish red and so called black people aren’t black were are grayish greenish to brownish  yellowish our different shades from different exposure to the sun the life giver we need to reclaim the SUN 

[Pioneer1]

7 hours ago, Rev said:

White supremacy first of all is false by calling anyone white already degrade ourself just like if there’s good there’s bad if there’s pure there’s unpure therefore if there’s white there’s black so let recondition our mind and our children’s white people aren’t white they pinkish red and so called black people aren’t black were are grayish greenish to brownish  yellowish our different shades from different exposure to the sun the life giver we need to reclaim the SUN 

  "greyish"  "greenish"??????

The only Black people I've ever seen of a grey or greenish tint are ZOMBIES.