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I DEFINITELY plan to go see this movie!

After reading the background behind the film, if it's as good as I expect it to be I'm willing to support it to the extent of watching it several times AT the theater WITH several friends to do my small part in increasing the revenue and views.

😏  Those of you who are observant will notice my position on THIS movie versus my position on "The Woman King" and wonder aloud why such a stark contrast.

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On 11/29/2022 at 1:02 PM, richardmurray said:

But I quote Fuqua: “The film to me is bigger than that moment,” Fuqua said. “Four hundred years of slavery is bigger than one moment. ..."

 

Well, for the sake of the movie, I hope that people can focus on it and not Will Smith's infamous slap of another brother.

I read the the movie had mixed reviews.

 

You know, I looked and looked for more information about the true event of Gordon, also known as Whipped Peter, but apparently, after his picture was posted and sent out everywhere, the rest of his life is completely unknown. So then, the movie Emancipation, in that it follows Gordon and gives him a storyline of trying to get back to his family is 'fiction'? I wonder does anyone know what the truth is about the end of Gordon's life. 

 

Anyway, I do hope to see the movie, though. I wonder what Chris Rock is saying? And on that note, some sights say that the slave Gordon was actually whipped brutally by another Black man, a slave. What a horror. 

 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Chevdove said:

And on that note, some sights say that the slave Gordon was actually whipped brutally by another Black man, a slave. What a horror. 

That was common during slavery.  It's one form of the PTSD that plagues AfroAmericans so easily committing acts of violence against each other😎

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@Chevdove  well listen, let's be blunt, in modernity,  when any film comes out with a thespian or director or producer that has been given an unsatisfactory moral label, that film has mixed reviews. No film that has a connection to Will Smith going forward , at least in the usa, will have a 100% review in positivity. Is that fair? no. Is that the reality of modern media? 100%  

 

Only two groups of people in the usa don't have a bloodline whose story doesn't begin with the usa or its predecessor with the following: I want to be here.

You know the two groups are Native Americans side Black DOSers. ... I remember in NYC when people were fighting for the NAtive American musuem for an instillation or more. But I remember hearing a bunch of Black folk "allied with the native american" talking about helping the native american. And I told them the following: the native american needs one thing, and one thing only, and it is the one thing that has the least chance of happening and that is for all non native americans to get the f--- out.  

 

Varied replies from silence, to yep, to frustration, to explaining to me why that shouldn't occur happened. What is my point? of course this film is fiction, it took zora neale hurston to catch the last enslaved black folks narrative <something the so called literate black movement post war between the states didn't want to write down or definitely didn't find time to write down> . Of course, a black man whipped him, enslavement to whites convinced the nazi's to harm their fellow germans in the jewish religion. Our enslavement was hell and we don't have many first hand accounts. But, the black DOSers have a simple need, like the native americans and it isn't going to happen.  Black DOSers need a home to go to. Simple isn't it. A home to go where we can say , we wanted to be there from day one.  But since it isn't going to happen, everything else is a poor bandaid. Black billionaires/mayors/ all these various things don't cover what the people need. Same to the native american. Casinoes/elected representatives. Yeah ok. That isn't what they need.  So you get arts or entertainment providing a cheap bandaid. 

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18 hours ago, richardmurray said:

Our enslavement was hell and we don't have many first hand accounts. But, the black DOSers have a simple need,

 

HEY!-- What an awesome point! @richardmurray 

 

18 hours ago, richardmurray said:

So you get arts or entertainment providing a cheap bandaid. 

 

I never saw this side of it! I am stunned at your reasoning. Thank you! This makes me want to go see this movie all the more. This 'cheap bandaid' is all that we have for now in many cases, however, because of the strength of the DOSers to press forward and put something up for our history, it will probably lead to a better bandaid! Get out! Thank you again for this comment. 

 

16 hours ago, ProfD said:

America is home for those of us descended from enslaved people who've been here for several hundred years.😎

 

LOL! @ProfDYes, well as for me, this is my home then for more than one reason because my slave ancestors came late enough, perhaps, to not be bullied into not also saying that I also have Native American ancestry so those bastards can try and say that this isn't my home. Sht--makes me so angry. On the other hand though, I can understand why some Native Americans don't feel happy about the White man inserting the African slave into their land without their agreement. Some of them benefitted from our detriment while others, well, I don't know. 

 

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On 11/30/2022 at 6:08 PM, Pioneer1 said:

Those of you who are observant will notice my position on THIS movie versus my position on "The Woman King" and wonder aloud why such a stark contrast.

 

Since you have not seen either film it is difficult to understand why you would take such opposing views.  Perhaps because The Woman King celebrated powerful Black women and find that less threatening that a film that focuses on Black men?   

 

Both are works of fiction whose main goals are to generate profit -- not to educate.

 

As far as Will Smith continuing to make money after assaulting Rock.  We see the industry does not care.  I guess it is up to the individual to decide if they will decide to continue to support him. 

 

I will watch the film once I can stream it without having to pay extra.  

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@ProfD The problem is every DOSer has the right to choose the USA to be their home or not. No choice is right or wrong. But a middle ground doesn't exist between the choices. And in the history of the USA or the british colonies that preceded it, DOSers do choose opposing sides and thus the frictions. Garvey was not a DOSer but his movement had more energy in the DOS community than the NAACP, whose face was a DOSer albeit of mulatto heritage. And we know what happened between Dubois and Garvey. The reality is Dubois , who chose as you said, was willing to undermine the most important leader to black people who felt as I said. And that friction has never left the DOS community even as its percentage in the larger Black community in the USA dwindles. So I end with a rephrase. Many Black people have chosen to not make the USA their home and thsoe DOS did and do need a home to go to. 

 

@Chevdove I hope I inspire thoughtfulness. At the end of the day most Black people want betterment for Black people. The problem is, over ninety percent consensus on what betterment looks like did not and still does not exist in the black community in the usa and thus Black people tend to butt heads over their different visions. I quote armstrong williams, a black member of the party of lincoln: he never dealt with racism in the south. The issue isn't about truth or correctness but how can a black person who relates to the usa like armstrong williams work side a black person who relates to the usa like assata shakur? how? This website's forum proves that our mere communication becomes nothing. We just don't have consensus. Never did in the past, do not know. But absent it, we are always  in a mix.

 

 

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21 hours ago, richardmurray said:

At the end of the day most Black people want betterment for Black people. The problem is, over ninety percent consensus on what betterment looks like did not and still does not exist in the black community in the usa and thus Black people tend to butt heads over their different visions.

 

Yes, this is so true, however, our differences on how to solve the problem should not stop us from continuing to search for the answer. 

 

 

 

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@Troy

 

thanks for sharing. I read the whole article. 

She says the film has committed actors, i suggest then performances, and positive quality cinematography, but calls it mediocre. 

If I go to see a jackass film , I do not expect to see a movie like the seventh seal. 

A will smith film in my recent memory tends to be a star led vehicle that tends to throw a light wrench into the genre it is in. 

She states the film is a slave era film but based on her description, I say this is a superhero film, that uses a convenient historical figure, one whose truth will never be known, to allow for the superhero genre's mechanics to be utilized in a historical fiction context concerning the usa. 

Is it everyone's cup of tea? of course not. But when I think of Hancock/Bright/Hitch/After Earth Will Smith likes roles where he is in a two genre film, which doesn't clearly delineate which one it is. 

Hancock many say is a superhero film, and I concur. But... it is also a realist film, like grapes of wrath. Is Hancock really about a superhero saving the day or is it about a man whose trying to figure out how to be good at the only job he wants?

Many say Bright is a buddy cop film and I concur. But... it is also a high fantasy film, like lord of rings with , I argue more, fantastical elements at times merging our modern world with the world of elves and dwarves in a blunt way.

Hitch many say is a romantic comedy, and I concur. But... most of the film isn't romantic or comedic. I argue most of the film is loner. It has the feel of La Notte , the italian film, with the couple which ends in my view brilliantly cause it doesn't finalize anything. But the film feels like a divorce film. Kramer vs Kramer with out the kid in a way.

After Earth many say is a science fiction action flick, and I concur. But... i sense in the film more of an inverted western. This is like an inversion of shane.  

And in all the films, it ends on an upbeat. 

 

If you come to the movie theater's expecting "twelve years a slave" in form or structure you will be disppointed. You need to look at it thinking, what if a slave had a superhero life? how can that work. 

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