This is the continuation of a that got a little muddled by a couple of guys going back and forth without making much progress :-)   Does anyone thing there are ideas or beliefs rather that are believed, or at least adhered to by so many people that those ideas are considered "universal"?   Now "universal" is an absolute term and nothing I can think of is absolute.  This is one of the reasons I'm careful about using the word never or always.  If I use the word "never," I'