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This economic corner is a manipulation of a dialog between me side @ProfD side @Troy I felt it is warranted because the post it was started in is about Black Owned Websites and while the overall dialog with Troy maintained a focus on black websites, the dialog between me side profd did not. So I placed my replies to their post within the multilog, with no demand to a reply.
A majority of blacks in the usa are individualist and that isn't a negative thing. It is something born from being in majority terrorized by whites from the early 1500s to circa 1980. Black people have done everything possible in the usa to nonviolently grow. Everything possible. The failure was in who black people existed nonviolently next to, non blacks. Now in 2025 in the usa I think it is clear from the black 1% or the black financially wealthy, black elected officials, black places of worship, that the black people with the most financial wealth or access to power or resources are individualist. Actions speak louder than words. So, when it comes to group actions across 50 states, I argue all those are foolish endeavors in modernity. The old black populace in the usa is dead and is never coming back. And that is fine.
Black communalism in the usa isn't dead but it is local, tribal. So to a black website in the usa or any communal activity in the usa , they are all best as tribal acts. The faith in nonviolent communalism is silly, unwarranted.
I don't know if anyone notices but for a while I don't use the term "black community in the usa" cause for me that is a lie. The black populace in the usa exist. but the black populace is not a community. And I repeat, that isn't a bad thing. It is warranted. The Black populace spent a solid one hundred years in the usa , being communal like no other people on earth at the same time , or very few in human history, and white power crushed it all. yes, some will argue, try again, but that is silly or stupid. Black people in the usa repeated anything someone black says needs to happen multiple in the past as a community, white power crushed it all. No need for the black populace in the usa to try again all the things that failed in the usa by way of white power.
If you are black in the usa, embrace your small tribe, or embrace individualism but stop all the unwarranted talk about the larger populace doing communal action. Look positive to the future in a new road, a wise road, a financially more honest road.
IN AMENDMENT
Troy suggested the specific issue of black websites but it is a general affair so I placed it here alongside anything I have to say as it isn't specific to the black websites issue.
THE DIALOG BETWEEN ME SIDE PROFD SIDE TROY
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71601
@ProfD
On 2/6/2025 at 11:02 AM, ProfD said:
find it mind-boggling that Black brain-power and wealth are not working together to create our own platforms.
I find it disturbing that Black folks are perfectly fine with enriching white folks at every level. Social media platforms is one example.
If individualism is the majority position among Black people with the revenue or resources to invest in owning a website fit for modern esocial activity, then it does make sense. I don't think an individualist sees it as enriching a community, they see it as an individual investment. If you are individualist, you don't see your actions as part of any populace in humanity, only the larger humanity itself.
@Troy
On 2/6/2025 at 5:30 PM, Troy said:
It takes a ton of money to run a robust social media platform capable of supporting even tens of thousands of users -- let alone hundreds of millions of users globally. So, any site we use will need serious funding and only comes from investors who believe there will be serious returns on their investment.
thank you, too often black folk seem to think investment in things just needs pennies from the black poor. Something require grand investment
To @ProfD + @Troy
On 2/6/2025 at 6:16 PM, ProfD said:
Black folks invest a whole lot of money in churches though. Maybe we need to call the Black platform Hallelujah
On 2/8/2025 at 11:25 AM, Troy said:
That is actually a Great idea man a Christian social media site, surely one most already exist.
I found on first page search only the following
http://www.blackandchristian.com/
Its funny facebook was started through colleges, Historical black colleges through the fraternities or sororities can idealistically do similar.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71607
On 2/9/2025 at 9:56 PM, richardmurray said:
I found on first page search only the following
http://www.blackandchristian.com/
That website is defaulted. It has not been maintained for years and the length to the forms is broken. The fact that it ranks well in search seems to indicate there is no active website in the space. I wonder if there’s even a desire for one. I suspect most church communities have their own websites and online social platforms.
On 2/8/2025 at 12:00 PM, ProfD said:
Regardless of religious affiliation, I was thinking that could be the name of a Black-owned platform equivalent of Tw8tter (X)
Well, from the example that Richard provided the idea of a Black Christian website didn’t seem to work. As far as a black on website, the equivalent of what’s already out there we already know that won’t work at least not originating in the US.
On 2/9/2025 at 9:56 PM, richardmurray said:
I don't think an individualist sees it as enriching a community, they see it as an individual investment.
Of course anyone buying in stock in Meta or Alphabet are doing so to make money for themselves. Now, while Facebook makes itself out itself as bringing in the world closer together people don’t invest in them for that they invest solely to make money.
There are other businesses types that are mission, driven B corps and not for profits. people invest in them to improve society, but those aren’t the organizations that make all that make money for investors or create wealth.
It has been suggested buy some, that AALBC should become a not for profit.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71608
@Troy
On 2/10/2025 at 10:30 AM, Troy said:
The fact that it ranks well in search seems to indicate there is no active website in the space. I wonder if there’s even a desire for one. I suspect most church communities have their own websites and online social platforms.
Local Churches historically tend to be competitive to each other, they may share a similar faith but they rarely like to share prominence.
Well, youtube tried short videos before tiktok was created and it didn't catch fire. so, what that one scenario proves is, the packaging/algorithm/style of such a website is key. People like websites when it offers a simple straight forward interface while provides an aspect to communication online that they didn't have before, not necessarily as a tool , but in the style of the tool.
I think "HAlleluyah" can work, but imagination will be needed in how it operates.
I argue AALBC should stay for profit but it will be wise if you have a contingency plan for non profit upon your death or some bad situation
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71609
On 2/10/2025 at 10:30 AM, Troy said:
As far as a black on website, the equivalent of what’s already out there we already know that won’t work at least not originating in the US.
Again, I was not advocating for a Black Christian website or platform.
That's not my thing as the resident agnostic around here.
Half-Jokingly, I only used the name Hallelujah because many Black folks would check it out due to upbringing.
On 2/9/2025 at 9:56 PM, richardmurray said:
thank you, too often black folk seem to think investment in things just needs pennies from the black poor. Something require grand investment
Many poor people still give church offerings, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol and do drugs and shop. So, they can contribute along with other investors.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71610
@ProfD
On 2/10/2025 at 12:14 PM, ProfD said:
So, they can contribute along with other investors.
Can they?
I don't smoke cigarettes, but I know cigarettes cost money, so if a human being, likes smoking cigerattes and they are a financially poor person, they probably don't have money to invest in a website, even if what they can invest is not even a miniscule fraction of a percent of the funds needed .
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71611
On 2/10/2025 at 5:55 PM, richardmurray said:
Can they?
Yes they can.
On 2/10/2025 at 5:55 PM, richardmurray said:
...so if a human being, likes smoking cigerattes and they are a financially poor person, they probably don't have money to invest in a website, even if what they can invest is not even a miniscule fraction of a percent of the funds needed .
Reads like you're making excuses.
Where I come from, I know for a fact that poor people know how find money.
Obviously, not enough money to become rich or wealthy in most cases. But, it's enough to maintain habits.
Many campaigns are funded by small money donors. Some churches operate the same way. It adds up.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71614
@ProfDnot an excuse, being happy isn't an excuse to anything.
if any human being does something that makes them happy, they want to do that more right. At least for me, i will rather be happy than sad and i think any other human will rather be happy than sad. So fi your happiness is an expense , you still need it and some investment into something that will not lead to you being happy will not be maintained for long.
yes example of consistent small donors to certain financial endeavors exist, but to be even, cause the dialog is swaying away from the theme of the topic... my original quotes were in concert with Troy's concerning black twitter, more specifically websites, online websites, it wasn't a generalization. and in an endeavor like a website big donors are mandatory , needed. Not one heavily followed website had small donors. throughout its history. That isn't laziness or an accident or something small donors can undo, it is the reality, big donors are needed for any website to grow a certain size. And to the current environment , many websites even after massive financial investment are failures. Look at china really. The blunt truth is that western european countries/japan/india/russia all have websites to their local markets but none were like china, willing to invest enough to get websites that are global brands. And it took money for that, not small donors of the chinese people. Rich chinese so I repeat my point to troy: too often black folk seem to think investment in things just needs pennies from the black poor. and I amend, that is not true.
Black pennies from the black poor is good for local, local defined as city region or town level investments. A house/ a community center/a retail shop/small scale operations. that are bounded to the region of a city or a town. But if you want industry leading firms across the usa, with over three hundred and fifty million people or moreover humanity, the black rich not the black pennies from the black poor have to be the primary investors.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71618
21 hours ago, richardmurray said:
@ProfDnot an excuse, being happy isn't an excuse to anything.
if any human being does something that makes them happy, they want to do that more right. At least for me, i will rather be happy than sad and i think any other human will rather be happy than sad. So fi your happiness is an expense , you still need it and some investment into something that will not lead to you being happy will not be maintained for long.
Right.
Reminds me of people who claim they want to lose weight but refuse to diet and exercise because eating makes them happy.
Instead of a gym membership, the overweight person who claims they want to lose weight would rather spend that money on more food and snacks.
A pack of cigarettes in NYC costs $13 dollars. That's almost 1 hour of minimum wage work.
If we're serious about it, 4 million Black people investing $25 dollars (2 packs of cigarettes in NYC or a large pizza) in a business venture adds up to $100 million dollars.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71621
@ProfD
21 hours ago, ProfD said:
A pack of cigarettes in NYC costs $13 dollars. That's almost 1 hour of minimum wage work.
it's funny, i haven't heard of a person buying a pack of cigarettes in a very long time in nyc. I see people buying singles at stores or asking for singles from their fellows or strangers. A pack? no one has money for a pack Profd. that fact that you suggested that ... you haven't been in a place like nyc in a long time have you? I don't get snap but many are complaining about snap benefits ending.
...I repeat, because it is important, black pennies will not do it. Do you know across the demographic board of NYC, if the school food program goes under, half of the children in nyc's schools, not just black, the non black as well whom you like to suggest so financially astute, will go hungry, across the board 50% , fifty percent of the children in public school.
21 hours ago, ProfD said:
If we're serious about it, 4 million Black people investing $25 dollars (2 packs of cigarettes in NYC or a large pizza) in a business venture adds up to $100 million dollars.
I will love to know who has bought two packs of cigarettes in a month in nyc ? only people with money in the first place are doing that. but you get to the nitty gritty.
Who is going to be in control fo that hundred million dollars? Profd? It will not be me. who? obama? sharpton? mrs obama? clarence thomas? who? historical black colleges?
I can't name one black individual or group in the usa who has the desire+ imagination+trust to do anything with 100 million. if it was gathered.
This goes back to our million man march dialog. Assuming someone had the trust or could gain the trust, trust must be earned, of five hundred thousand black men who attended the march , with your $25 dollar assumption, that twelve million and five hundred dollars? but who canthose 5000,00 trust? you? me ? iargue none class.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71627
19 hours ago, richardmurray said:
@ProfD
it's funny, i haven't heard of a person buying a pack of cigarettes in a very long time in nyc. I see people buying singles at stores or asking for singles from their fellows or strangers. A pack? no one has money for a pack Profd. that fact that you suggested that ... you haven't been in a place like nyc in a long time have you?
You're missing the point but it's OK.
I was just in NYC last year. Saw Black folks spending money too.
19 hours ago, richardmurray said:
n in nyc's schools, not just black, the non black as well whom you like to suggest so financially astute, will go hungry, across the board 50% , fifty percent of the children in public school.
NYC is the same place spending millions of dollars housing illegal immigrants. They could easily feed the children if ut was a priority.
19 hours ago, richardmurray said:
Who is going to be in control fo that hundred million dollars? Profd?
I can't name one black individual or group in the usa who has the desire+ imagination+trust to do anything with 100 million.
Right. Therein lies the biggest obstacle.
On one hand, you don't 1) believe Black folks can raise $100 million dollars through grassroot efforts and 2) can't trust any steward of the $100 million dollars collected.
But, you'll suggest folks like Oprah Winfrey and others put up $100 million dollars of their money.
My point is that Black folks can do both.
19 hours ago, richardmurray said:
This goes back to our million man march dialog. Assuming someone had the trust or could gain the trust, trust must be earned, of five hundred thousand black men who attended the march , with your $25 dollar assumption, that twelve million and five hundred dollars? but who canthose 5000,00 trust? you? me ? iargue none class.
It starts with having a solid plan/agenda, goals and milestones.
That requires a herculean effort of oorganization among Black folks especially in a climate of individualism and tribalism.
MY CONTINUATION
@ProfD
I comprehend your point, it is that the financial poor in a populace can lead a populace, in fiscal capitalism, always.
well I don't know about ease, I never say anything is easy. Nothing is easy.
Technically, NYC is spending federal money on housing illegal immigrants, thus appropriated money, thus money that must be used for specific reasons. I doubt the representatives of many states in the union will desire federal money for immigrants into nyc
Well, I must first say, I call any populace in humanity foolish if they put up large funds without trust. You first have to have the trust before the money. It is rare but sometimes the number 2 comes before number 1 this is one of those times. You have 1 but 2 is a key element to why 1 exist with me.
Yes, Profd, here is a simple example. If I am a billionaire, no a multibillionaire, lets say I have ten billion. so ten percent is one billion. one percent is one hundred million.
So, now someone, like myself says, why don't Rich spend one hundred million, which is one percent of rich rich's wealth in this example right?
Now, that 100 million is Rich Rich's money right? Rich Rich can do what he want with his money right? So, if Rich Rich don't invest in the community that is perfectly acceptable because Rich Rich is free to not invest or invest with Rich Rich's. While, if rich rich is honest, if he is me he is, Rich Rich will publicly say he isn't helping the black populace in the usa and is responsible for not helping as one of the wealthiest black people in the usa. Cause that is the truth. If someone like Profd says in some forum, you guys want Rich Rich to invest his money , but can't trust a steward . and someone will say, Rich Rich said, as a fiscally wealthy black person in fiscal capitalsim that I have to invest first, before any fiscally poor black person, and if I don't invest, I am free to but anyone can tell me to shut the fuck up if I chime in on the village. Yes, if I was a billionaire and freely chose to not invest in the community but like to chime in on this show or that, any black person has the right to tell me to shut the fuck up.
To the obstacle of trust....
YEs in the past the black churches in the usa had the ability to garner grassroots, but the stewardship of the black populace in the usa by the black churches in the usa failed. From circa 1865 to 1990 the black churches in the usa had their time and it ended with the majority of the black populace in the usa correctly rejecting their stewardship from the black churches.
The black churches in the usa had three tenets: nonviolence/grassroots activity/be of the church.
Be of the Church is very interesting historically.
The black populace in the usa at one time was 99% christian. Comprehend the percentage of jews in the white european populace/buddhist in the white asian populace was larger than non christian blacks in the black populace. So, the entire advantage to black churches existed , in terms of maintaining a strong role in the black populace, and sequentially membership. But I think the 1950s, was the beginning of the end for the black churches in that be of the church mantra. Atheism/Islam/Buddhism/Belief systems or faiths older than christianity or islam or judaism while indigenous to africa grew in influence. The Black churches in all earnest, were never flexible enough when it came to the potential internal variance of cultures in the black populace in the usa. And their relationship to: Historic black colleges or universities, the NAACP, the garveyites, the black soldiers from the first two phases of the white european imperial wars W.E.I.W., black newspapers, the panthers, the nation of islam and many others all should had been integrated with black churches more but none were. The colleges or universities were initially 99% financed by white churches , black people had no money when the 13th amendment was signed because our populace was mostly enslaved not to long before. So I comprehend that white churches wanted the colleges to get black members to their churches. But black churches needed to merge with those colleges, comprehending that at their core they are places of learning not religion. The garveyites, again, malcolm's father was a pastor. But, not all churches supported garveyism. and that was foolish to me. The NAACP financed by white jews and has a black 1% workforce in it, but link to them. and they didn't. Black Soldiers, so many black soldiers in the first phase of the W.E.I.W. came back to the usa invigorated , but alot of times they organized away from the black churches, not through it. I comprehend that many soldiers don't share the position on violence many church folk will want but embrace these people. Newsppapers/Panthers/ Nation of Islam the black churches simply didn't make an effort to bind with black organizations or groups over the years. It isn't about people coming to them but they needed to lead and go to others, and they didn't and the results are easy to see. The modern internal multiracial reality in the black populace in the usa has left the black churches behind, but they never embraced it, even among themselves. What always knocks me out is how little black churches helped each other. Very individualistic black churches are.
Grassroots activity is huge, initially the most positive. Black churches were able to manage black money/time/muscle into building schools, being active in government affairs. Again the 1950s, was a time of change. Circa 1865 most black people in the usa were correctly, financially worthless, as they came out of enslavement. But by 1955, and moreso in 1965, you see the rise of what i call the black one percent. Nonviolently, evading or surviving or overcoming all sorts of white violence/attacks/bullying/terrorism some black people , with the help of the village cause no one does it alone no matter what they tell you, achieved financial wealth. Not white wealth levels, again, white people killed first people to take their land and enslaved black folk to till that land, so having access to land + labor that you are not paying at market rate or in various tax system or rulesets helps catapult financial revenue streams, which black people wierdly seem to think can be better legally. But the black wealthy circa 1950s had developed a culture started from 1865 that influenced black churches badly. The black wealthy all went to black churches and started manipulating how they operated , whereas circa 1865 black churches sought to help the black populace, circa 1955 black churches are telling black people to help themselves. Black business owners flipped the bill for alot of activities in the 1960s but the black churches should had by that time been more involved. But the death of grassroots activities from black churches to the larger black populace in their regions started to change how black people related to the churches. Kwame Ture, some know as Stokely Carmicheal, said it best himself, about Martin Luther King jr, can you imagine a black baptist preacher doesn't accept a cadillac. The Black Preachers by the 1960s in majority were not about the flock but themselves, that is why they never voted for MLK jr to be head of the southern black christian leadership conference. And in parallel, the wealthy black churches have survived well to this day each in their individual glamour while the fiscally poor churches said rich churches didn't even think warranted a grassroots activity to save died and with them a huge disassociation from the larger black populace in the usa.
Nonviolence:) I saved this last, cause i argue this was the biggest injury black churches had to their leadership position in the black populace in the usa.
So many black people were beaten , the tragedy of the usa, is alot of times, black people ourselves, focus on the hangings, the burnings, the action from whites that lead to death, but i think the violent actions from whites that are not lethal are more interesting.
How many black women were raped? I know in one town all the black women were raped by whites, a common knowledge around black people in that town.
How many black men were beaten by whites, unsheeted circa 1865 to anytime now sheeted circa 1875 to circa 1965 uniformed circa 1865 to anytime now.
The Black Churches circa 1865 had a vote where they decided a collective stance, an agreement between black churches on the stance towards violence [I am trying to find out all i can about this and add it to the DOS EARLY LITERATURE GROUP, it will be one of my best finds if I can] , to support nonviolence.
And I don't mind that, but here is the problem, when you promote nonviolence aside a communalism circa 1865 black individuals don't feel alone, but from circa 1950s to modernity the nonviolence is aside individualism. In the 1970s white people still enslaved black people straightly, albeit illegally, while black churches in the same 1970s are talking about bootstraps. Said enslaved black people: can't chew through metal, block a bullet to their arm or deal with a ax hit across their foot, can't attack an armed person with the power of faith. Black people needed armed protection, they needed guidance away from white violence. But all the black churches ever provided from circa 1865 to modernity, 2025, going from undoubted leaders to castaway organizations, is no guidance away from violence or no protection and black people, like any people with some sense, saw the nonviolent plea ended up with the black churches leaving each of its members alone, as black individuals against white communal violence and why go to church for that. I will never forget Sean Bell's father, he said he wanted the men who killed his son dead. Al sharpton, the pastor, and others made sure he wasn't heard much after in the media sphere, and that encapsulates the problem with non violence from the black church. It is a spit in the eye. The same Black Churches that shut up Sean Bell's father who said nothing wrong in my mind, will then turn to people with similar feeling to sean bell's father, all earned by white violence, and tell them about investing in some business, voting for some official, all of things that will not satisfy their warranted anger. Cause the black churches don't care. it is a philosophical desire that leaves black people alone in the affairs that matter most while demanding some unwarranted communal action by the same individuals.
And this goes to my point about Black leadership concerning the Black 1% in the usa, said 1% was brewed in Black Churches in the usa. The Black Churches developed an individualist culture that didn't even allow them to help fellow black churches, and made them private clubs whose members ingratiate themselves and have a heirarchy of wealth, dismissive of anybody outside. So when I suggest the black 1% put up their money, I don't do that hopefully. It is merely strategic assessment within a fiscal capitalistic environment where all major actions come through the fiscal aristocracy , no matter how they got their wealth, and uplifting the black populace in the usa is a major action.
PRofd you suggest in a climate of individualism that garnering the trust needed is a continent bridging act of organization. I concur. Possibility is not probability. Possibility ask can a thing happen or not. Probability ask what is the gamble, as a numerical value, a thing can happen.
It is possible, all things are possible actually. But the probability is very low in this case.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71630 (FROM TROY IN AMENDMENT- this came in after I had set up this post so I just placed it in )
21 hours ago, richardmurray said:
I will love to know who has bought two packs of cigarettes in a month in nyc ?
There are plenty of people. I was asked to buy a carton of cigarettes here in Florida for someone up in New York City who smokes two packs a day. My mother easily smokes a pack a day and has been doing that for the better part of 3/4 of a century.
certainly, we as a people can do a much better job and investing in our own businesses.
We do have experience with this already. There are mega churches all over the country that are supported by relatively small contributions by large numbers of people. Some of those churches have schools and provide a wide variety of services for the community in addition to ensuring contributors get into heaven. But churches have all types of tax advantages that regular businesses don’t.
The real issue, I think, is creating wealth for the investors rather than lighting the pockets of some charismatic preacher. It is not just a matter of organizing the investors it’s coming up with the viable business.
Alternatively, people can be content in simply contributing to a business without expecting to be rewarded financially. People contribute to my business simply because they want to support what I’m doing, which is beautiful because it actually does help.
MY REPLY
@Troy
Buy a carton in florida, not in NYC and Profd's point was about NYC, not buying in another state because of the cost in nyc...
whose we? The black populace in the usa, not the world, not another country, the usa has no we. Yes, small tribes do this or that. But overall no we exist in the black populace of the usa. So I argue, the black populace in the usa is doing as it has been guided from internally as well as externally. And that is fine. Individualism has served black people in the usa well for those that want to integrate, to merge, to miscegenate, to become one with the non black in the usa.
yeah, I mentioned black churches in my reply to Profd, yeah ok. but black churches are about themselves, again, they don't help each other, so...
the time has passed on that. The culture of ingratiating the preacher is fully embedded, the time to unravel that was in the 1900s not 2025 and after
your right. I never said there are not black people with money who give with no desire for financial returns. But the black fiscal poor can't lead a website to the kind of growth to become a "electronic freedom's journal".. not in my opinion. Can they be part of the journey yes, but not lead. That is asking the most from the poorest.
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11462-is-black-twitter-still-a-thing/#findComment-71635
Prior Economic Corner
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11447-economiccorner011/
It is time for black people in the usa to realize that the past has created a heritage of individualism that is warranted and needs to be championed. You want the best chances, probability, of communalism among black people throughout an entire country, leave the usa. Communalism in the usa is only viable in small tribal sections, not from sea to shining sea.
POST URL
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/11475-economiccorner012/
PRIOR EDITION
https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/167-economic-corner-11-what-should-you-see-after-a-deepseek-01282025/
NEXT EDITION
https://aalbc.com/tc/events/event/194-economic-corner-13-02152025/
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CITATION
https://aalbc.com/tc/topic/12464-economic-corner-12-02122025-offline-internets-and-intranets /#findComment-80117
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@ProfD
On 2/13/2026 at 1:31 AM, ProfD said:
Time flies. That dialog is 1 year old already.
exactly, what has changed, what has evolved.
On 2/13/2026 at 1:31 AM, ProfD said:
Nothing much has changed. There is not mega-Black-owned website.
Apparently, there's no real incentive to create such a website when Black folks are comfortable using the white-owned sites i.e. F*c*b**k, X, Inst*gr*m, T*kT*k, G**gle, etc.
I still think the Black church tribe is large enough to warrant creating their own internet platform.
And your words provide what has changed or not, what has evolved or not. The issue then is still here.
To your point, of the black church , one issue.
The black christian churches in the usa as a collective are large enough but the black christian churches don't act as a cohesive collective. They are a tribe, but they are very individual. the black christian churches of New york city is a microcosm. harlem is full of black christian churches, abysinnian is historically the most potent, in terms of revenue , money, but abyssinnian has never tried to create a unity among black churches in new york city... to my knowledge, and if they did in the past, they clearly failed.
So from a population perspective I concur 100% to you. But strategically, something new is needed that doesn't exist now.
I can tell you, black christian churches[baptist/methodist/jehovah's wtiness/et cetera]/black muslim mosque/black jewish temples all exist in harlem today. You can argue, if black religious groups in NYC alone came together to make such a platform online they would have the numbers. But, when you look at the most organized set of churches in nyc, which is the catholic[ black, non black, or other] you see one question has to be answered? who will be the pope? who will be the archdiocese?
The southern black christian leadership conference has a council but also a president. so... they have the populace to warrant but they don't have the organizational flexibility to warrant.
thinking on this and I thank you, Al sharpton has national action network, which has associations to various religious groups but they all do it willingly on their own. They haven't made a creed so to speak, to legally join them. I argue he probably has the best media face to start such an endeavor and definitely has the ear of the pastors/priest/episcopals to most in the black religious populace in new york city. But, he is older and his idea of integration's path in the usa as well as indiividual allowance in the usa probably makes the idea of such a website , negative .
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School Daze came out. It started the whole Black College Campus film genre. The interesting thing storywise is I argue no Black College film post School Daze deals with Colorism in the Black Populace in the USA so sharply or unapologetically. One quick note, the songs were written by a black man.
The Link Just in case the above doesn't work
https://www.tiktok.com/@africanheritagecity/video/7518457184104009015?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc
The four women are: Tisha Campbell[Jane Toussaint], Jasmine Guy[GammaRay Dina], Paula Brown [GammaRay Miriam]
, Angela Ali [GammaRay Velda ]
Kyme played Rachel Meadows, the head of the other group of black women.
From Jazmine Guy
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/deSjIHnYT44
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The most trophied black player , ten rings all together and added one of the few who also won as a player + coach. He left coaching because he was asked by white owned media if he felt he was worthy to be a coach, after just winning the NBA championship as a coach, so he comprehended that no matter what he did, media would act like he still hasn't earned or still hasn't warranted, so he left.
Bill Russell's spirit flew as well, the most honest Black basketball in media ever
on coaching LINK
on Black Youth LINK
I PAraphrase Bill russell, use the link above to verify or read the whole below "You have guys who have been pampered for 10-15 years. So you can't say this is an example. Or this is an average guy. Most athletes, my self included, are self centered. Maybe psychologically that is why we plays sports, but it is not normal. ... If i am going to go into Harlem, and go to a play ground and say to kids, if you work hard you can do the same thing I did, that would be a lie. That would be unfair to myself and unfair to the kids. I can say to the kids, do your best and fight it everyday. But to say I am an example of the greatness of the country, that is not true. If I am going to be honest to myself, I am an exception and have treated as an exception for years and years. The problem is I am only treated as an exception in certain areas. "
FULL TRANSCRIPT , UNCHECKED, for Black Youth link below
[BEEP] [SILENCE] [MUSIC] [MUSIC] pound the subways of New York City for an investigation into the Transit Authority Workers Union. Bill? historian dr charles hamilton makes projections of what after americans can expect from the seventies five of the country's various athletes bill russell arthur ashe johnny sample jackie robinson and harry edwards meet with bill to discuss the role of the black athlete in the black community before he was ten When he was thirteen, he was singing the blues on the street corners of Memphis. Today, John Lee Hooker is one of the most famous and best loved blues musicians. He feels his music deeply. It's part of him, and he's part of it. Listen, John Lee Hooker. [MUSIC] Lyrics -- Serves me right to suffer Lyrics -- Serves me right to be alone, be alone Lyrics -- Serves me right to suffer; Serves me right to be Lyrics -- be alone, to be alone; Because the life that I'm livin', I'm livin' Lyrics -- the days are memories gone by; Serve me right Lyrics -- to suffer; It serves me right to be alone Lyrics -- It serves me right to suffer the way I do; It serves me Lyrics -- me right to be alone; Lyrics -- Because the life I'm livin'; Livin' in the days of memories gone by Now watch this now; Dig it. Lyrics -- Every time Lyrics -- time I see another woman; I just Lyrics -- can't keep from tryin'; I look into another woman's face; I just can't keep from tryin' Lyrics -- The woman that I had Lyrics -- hurt me so bad; almost drove me insane Lyrics -- That's the reason I'm tryin' to live my life; Livin' in the days of memories gone by [music] Lyrics -- oh yeah; Nothin' but the best and later for the rest; My doctor put me on. Lyrics -- yeah, what he did; milk, cream and alcohol Lyrics -- my doctor placed Lyrics -- me on; he wrote me a description for milk, cream and alcohol; I knew it was so bad Lyrics -- shook up and shop; I could Lyrics -- I couldn't sleep; I couldn't rest at all that night; He said, that's why I'm placing you on milk, Lyrics -- milk, cream and alcohol call to try and legalize the day and the memory absolutely right all over the country black workers are coming together to challenge racism which has prevented us from getting our fair share of job opportunities in america the record is clear a star was cracked unions have excluded blacks the federal government has enforced anti discrimination laws state and local doctor says often condone discrimination the struggle goes on across the country in the private as well as the public sector concentrating in the construction automobiles stealing calling industries and in all public employment construction has been hardest hit by black protest statistics show black workers will only two percent of the eight hundred thousand high paying skilled jobs in this industry blacks already and many major unions have former black caucus as to demand that these unions relate to the needs and aspirations of black workers they want a real voice in union policy making or black workers are in the majority they're insisting on control of the unions for instance the new york citi bikes and puerto ricans make up the majority of workers in the rapid transit system for the areas controlled by whites a group called the rank and file committee for democratic union is determined to change that they're struggling to overthrow part why controlled te wu and set up their own union which were fairly represent black and puerto rican workers he's with these were a tuna i mean while committees objective is to establish electorate and they need to do this they must first obtained signatures from thirty percent of transit workers and call for a state supervised election for twenty eight thousand transit workers but dzhokhar the president the right to file committee explains why his group's exchange disney thank you it is i'm sorry they're appealing to both black and white workers for the signature is maintaining that an undemocratic union betrays the objectives of all we're just amazed that almost seventy percent of transit workers are black and puerto rican leadership are still seventy five percent white union leaders they say are elected by mail ballots were actually colored by union officials ever have a real chance because the mental illness a mail ballot well after negotiations are concluded and activist the result of any potential strike threat this sort of the union doesn't really live in a region where church and that some supervisors discriminate but they face a difficult fight it is hard for them to reach large numbers of workers because at this time the organization is small they have the outsiders like the resources at vanguard and they are challenging a rich and powerful union that's a nice day i found out that they were so vulnerable on this question because of the fact that they didn't have an integral couple says they only had about two offices to executive board offices out of about thirty two quote fallout for vice president of the union that these people don't represent the blog where does that industry is the people that do exactly what they're going to with roosevelt once executive vice president of the transport workers union and has one of the common the dissident this land has tried to run for office in his unit last word is about ten years ago he ran for such an officer with hal conductors <unk> level and there he was recruited he was defeated day out of about three thousand volts i'm thinking a hundred and fifty it was the last night i can file charges that is controlled and says joel carnegie has no support among the westerns two years later he was successful enough to get the required amount of signatures and he ran for the president of local one hundred and how about nineteen thousand ballots cast got about two thousand that's right it is we tried to run an opposition slaves within the union vote against the top offices and once they do that they just don't have a chance because they counted from the workers' wages it's it uses the undemocratic bilbao is also used in ratifying contracts about others on rather than there's no conference and so what happens is that they have made that when the union in advance of montana's that shoved down our throat so yes so that's one of the reasons why we thought that it was necessary to go through the necessary steps getting a thirty percent of aig can't or representational action to decide who will be to solve our transit workers delaney simmons they're forbidden by chance of a forty regulations to solicit signatures on to a property and were previously arrested at this location they assert that they have no real access to great numbers of workers unless they reach them on the job why are you are you it's been nice being nice sneakers the rest of us property what the lender while the group was constantly faced with an apparent double standard in the slow pace at the league doesn't organize on to a property and they demand the same rights and then in a transit authority assignment room supposedly off limits for union organization works it wu literature as plainly and evidence it's been carnegie's group no absolute freedom of all the truth about a property there's only one is that record and that was with a transit policeman in that would address what they do yeah i'm seventy disciplinary procedures call your record mr dr william roman chairman metropolitan transit authority a transit authority workers other refused to appear for an interview to discuss the rank and file charges are your members these other top aid officers or transport workers local one hundred and one point and file contends that mr watts was appointed as a direct result of their earlier efforts for more like representations to members of the joint executive authority wu the policymaking and yolk it addresses a regular monday night organizers me every month and they are passing you know what this means is that signature is that we can get a representation of much of the union representation election to decide who are the vessel at ws thank you it is yeah the country what workers are clearly saying unions must institute democratic reform or face stiff challenges from an increasingly militant white labor movement you did thank you nice you are jenny the a good camp the nigerian civil war is over like americans look to niger to fulfill its great promise as a major african nation of a law that sought to be torn into by prejudice and subversion from within and hostile foreign pressures from abroad should be a stern lesson to black people everywhere perhaps novel white americans were leftover naked starting the africans on africa's their concern was suffering people in their own country and lamont democratic controlled southern part of africa has for us perhaps as we observe the new unity among your laws the houses and he goes and the hundreds of other ethnic groups of nigerian afro americans will push to settle the remaining differences among us so we may have greater unity on our post game of nightmares over niger as african nation can resume the important after revealing so what will the seventies the whole clubb afro americans what have the past year meant to our struggle for freedom what effect will events of the sixties have on the present decade not charles hamilton professor of political science at columbia university conference the year nineteen sixty nine was a reflection of the decade of the nineteen sixties in terms of action in the white community one might view events of the past year and project in the nineteen seventies in terms of three major categories thursday black struggle as broadening its base of but as a patient and beginning to add new targets to its protests examples of this would include that the increased activity all welfare rights groups and blackstone organizations like rise we saw the demand by blacks that the white churches began to put their money where some of their individual ears of that all the time on the line in the form of demands reparations to blacks for years of those churches but as a patient and then benefit from a ration system it wasn't fact is that the black male in america has worked from sixteen nineteen eighteen sixty five without due compensation for his labor the calculation and what in fact is the real figure for reparations as something amore tundra comes may well and to take second the year witnessed a continued moon to consolidate local political economic power the demands for community controlled schools community control of police and land continue evidence a growing electoral power was shown in various elections around the country this year in fayette mississippi greene county alabama and in several northern cities this electoral organization kampala will continue and directly into the nineteen seventies with more blacks being elected office where the numbers and the organizational skills come together and these will be black elected officials more responsive to their black constituencies where they too will feel a punishment of rejection and later elections because it's a it's quite unlikely that the intense struggle for political power will be ways to simply to be turned over to traditional a new forces and the shame a question only nineteen sixty nine was a very harsh reminder of the repressive nature of the system in the form of continued killings of members of the black panthers no one should be naive to believe that when a group begins to move that the system will not retaliate in some form or another to counter this black struggle is constantly reminded that organization unity and scales very basic are absolutely essential nineteen sixty nine was a year of continued little struggle for black survival and development it was a year that set the agenda in the nineteen seventies the increased involvement of more groups and lodging that goes to include much more concern for the acquisition of political and economic power in addition to a legal and constitutional rights and finally greater demands for a re allocation of national economic resources i think the one area in this country where we have demonstrated are excellent as the athletic freedom however we check it out with greater than america knows that the black athlete has also been the victim of volatility would like to apply brothers you know those were really thinking about the man who broke the color line in the country he went on a nineteen fifty two that the baseball hall of fame with a jackie robinson the voting affinities of how things like economic and political football in this country will russell the man who led the boston celtics to attend world championships over the last twelve years in nineteen sixty eight he became the first black coach in the national basketball association after winning the championship bill russell retired a member of the team would successfully defended the davis cup this past fall for the past four years he has been the only black player in the lily white world of big league pennants it had window that has on the country we would even be considered for membership offer called the movie and i thought the invitation from the nineteen thirty one davis cup competition is left one about the defensive captain of the nineties sixty eight world champion new york jets he led the team that year in and that it had boosted of the entire nineteen fifty nine feet and with a serious back injury a veteran of ten years and will continue to be one of the more hopeful than like minimal i am with organized over the vatican out the stark black voters about the nineteen fifty eight geology i think the black athlete has had a very large role to play in the soul of the spirit of the black community because it was a television out of sports as part of a bird those messages the mass media in this is it there's a lot of criticism from people who are great deal criticism these days the luckiest the mass media the news reporting etcetera but i think that the sports industry in and of itself has agreed to a responsibility the degree to which sports in fact has not brought people together in this is that it's because they haven't told the truth that would tend to under manned some of the established institutionalized racism discrimination the prejudice that exist between people in a society they've tended to do the business that in fact what you see on the field is a hug ma actress topic yeah all portrait of reality in the masses that in that there's this is to the system consideration this is because apart from the time they were semi is no liberal as electric cars and they are getting a rueful there nobody really cares what they think in florida none of that civil defense and so you can say that this is an example or this is beverage that causes that causes most deadly summer in lots of liquid social reason may be psychosomatic me with a sport maybe i will comfort so it doesn't driving force to make it a sport that is not know i would have not been to but the people that have these are your restaurant a successful landing in any field i think that i worked as hard and have him as much larger monthly at the rich where did as citizens are motivated and that is a hub for me was ever going to say that we're going to hunt angle and going to one of the kids in this review of it was i learned and if you're like me and only unfair to my stomach as a kid but my city kids do this and find every day were to say that madame example of the reasons of the country that's not true because i have a feeling i'm an exception the problem that we have is that certain areas and what about that there hasn't been any significant advancement of developments that i think that we have to understand about the so progress on call that we've made is that must decide then the weekend cuban gates bill russell in basketball that nothing gets that bill russell and wilt when the courts are the same things happened in any case you know would be acceptable but we still have to be used to have opposed the knob down the little barefoot tokenism it just all practical purposes we do not have any blacklisted and professional athletics all practical purposes not have anything that we're like you can go on to professional athletics and then do a good job and say well i can afford to be a manager our coach with cummings is that i get this question on serving back in contention in air that they say no tears remember do you mean and i'd like a comparison team sports was an effect in the small corporations they're still run for stockholders want to make money not make money some items so enfranchise someone who thinks he can make money that extent the universal baseball to ready for hillary clinton is just like another small quarters president and vice presidents hierarchy of administrative work it is no different than a regime where that they may have some of the same religious attitudes about hiring lots of this alert level and as harris in tokenism may be construed as progress business in fact my biggest single reason that has it and the super bowl last year which isn't only because of advertising for one minute was about a hundred and eighty thousand dollars but some of that is ever been paid for what does the big athletic says leave the nineteen twenty four years nineteen sixty nine as it is now a blog emilie most of this year the three star wars not an obama supporter roy the plentiful beardsley joins us and we was you know what does draw on as you go up the ladder no you have to work and strive to work that you have to salute the work where you have the courtyard and continued instructions allegedly negative official of this level football baseball does or whatever it may be you see things happening around the white athletes get sort of a it's really one of the contracting it's white dough manager at thirty and once there is a white marble animal bible belt loads more they also may be the place it used to happen in the spotlight at this isn't a zone of the white mountains and it's a job making fifteen twenty thousand miles and all season when the black ballplayers among the job than a hundred dollars a week these are the things that this one in which the lack of legal they had been a professional football which i'm connecting with us what managers and coaches roaming the headquarters and of these things over the urban activist susan minister of britain and to know where on the job one of the assistant coaches for five years beginning to alex way that was consistent with the two years as you've been explaining their counselor about football that will allow these things are going to kill you now i mean is it is there anything that the black athletes can do about this or that the plans can too bothersome into changes to some of them demonstrators in nineteen sixty seven we get more movement in athletics away from the status quo than at any other time or a lot of the car that beat against the bad people in amateur athletics in particular the whole movement around to litigate dhabi black athletes instead of that when i want to go to litigate because we did not feel that this country is getting off a just great as human beings that we have the last word of the skills we have to demonstrate that they are not the taliban well a pick atlanta little to stop an average of the people of all that i am and actually this is what i know this is my work i use this as a tool without and you have a tool to make a living and i can say they used their the two in order to lead and it just about my humanity not to demonstrate my humanity i don't think about it and now we can really where we reached a point where because there's no actually preceded us and i think that if the kids today don't worry it's not a matter of probability it causes like it's now know i think his answers are where the investors who at this emerging was the word of the world well it's natural quite proud of the fact that the guys are standing up and being counted i don't i wish we had done the very same thing and we were i'm playing ball glitz that up i got scarcely at the onset they have a kind of troubles that they're having a day i think it is this present generation doesn't stand up and even more that once their kids are growing up playing out the same kind of promise all it builds these kids to stand up and hillary can they possibly can but there's one thing that concerns me and i wonder what the feeling is here ah honey feel about the situation where the south africans come here and the late gary player like i think it is safe to me to think that there'll be a song connelly says we were we've attempted to to contact a member of some of the summer golfers have had difficulty getting in touch with him in the land that we have got in touch with you know where's your identity cooperation very much effort led them at a landfill in boston atlanta ga ga players themselves ayatollah once if assad can expect the golfers to join in and i think we need sportswriters doug o'neill of the games business and such organization of the formalities that in the whole thing at this critical part of the simple fact that the films what the protests live eventually leads back to me in one way or another scene to haul the whole thing that we are developing a vision to open up on the ground that at around that this was coming for an athletic federation that i think will take up a lot of slack that the number of us have been trying to hold down since as for the state wichita which is so what does he have that goes back to some point where you have to take the state you have to believe in something you have to have a principal and you have to stand up for it no matter what happens on the water pages damages them but one thing i think people watching the meantime the oven and look for a future is that that growing militancy among athletes is not gonna stop what it is is that is gaining momentum take a stand instead of getting better things are gonna get worse then as i said before a professional and things are themselves corporations they are products of the american ideal that idea of sometimes twice that wasn't i was too has a half homeowners it is it is full of all the good and the bad as is it shows and instead of getting better it's going to get worse in years to more demonstrations that we see more oil manifest those one where another and to see more athletes even a ritual there were guys in their professional chess is saying whoa whoa that thing where the skiing on this this cause because of sorts though and i just said that and it's not that way headlines like the news conferences in the days when the case started moving his face in one place or another it became the best reason that and for five years the demonstrations are so commonplace there on page fifty and they had lines in english we must hurt a new tactic to gain the attention of the public say i think i don't think there's any question that the decade the seventies in particular are going to be about the turbulent six instances were turbulent and turbulent without any particular program they were turbulent and as a drama to dramatizing affect your turban dramatic sense i think of the seventies a lot of the turbulent in a diabolical sons of people are going to sit down and what a match up of the management operational levels programs and what has happened i've attended these allies that they're not going to have time to really portion for them develop a program for middle class that the progress is allowed to sit down and look at the society and i want to begin to take a pot of those links of injustice and an impression but then there are those kinds of the last twenty years ago those things that one by one i think that athletics is that there's going to be as much carbon is as if they were going to have some blind man's of the committee said that that was not the architect of a baseball game or a basketball that was just coming at the person huckabee and finance and this is the republicans and i think this is a parcel of the way we are the robert shelton says this country who come out of prison because of a refusal to make estimates that complex plan and then they go and testify that they're going to drive to suppress the negro in this country now we don't hear anything coming from the attorney general's office about this candidate it but to let the harry edwards a word an organizer was like the banana scene country comes up to me and not a word of this except a small thing in the newspaper about robert shelton sets if you'd like to make a bomb on a concern about robert so how i really found that the robert shelton you can spot a mile of his cancelled toyota designers is the one i think that what we have to really be concerned about look i think that often has alluded to the constitutional relationships that have been perpetuated his conjugal the last fifty or sixty years since the seminal this week that have become entrenched along that landscape the middle out and respectable as going to church on sunday let me ask you this well i want to find out and on this track set up in life nothing i have never been so proud of individuals of tommy smith and john carlos olympic games i think this to me was the greatest demonstration of a personal conviction and private eye that i've really seen it and then the tissue has guy standing up there sander well as i saw it i'm proud i can't live like this has kind of a sudden you see a guy running around the ring wave of the flag and you get sick inside was awful a wave of laughter but what concerns me now is the what i see is a very concerted effort to trial against these guys and i thought that brought a great deal dignity and self respect to the black community are you really here casale about what's happened tom has suddenly and what these guys who have really made black people tremendously proud not only overcome if what happened harry can that's how us live now is for ball for cincinnati bengals i asked lee evans isn't school and in those tunnels a john carlson school themselves a more severe mark whitaker the arctic has been an athletic simple vessel amateur there's no question that had thomas lipton's on cars that the american flag a man ran around here with that you know they have a vivid that they committed right on to heart this is not the case that either been certain rules about communities in and around cincinnati to do everything from to with ten times about your contract is get the hell out of us has no authority to us led of the intimidation against his wife and families don't think i have the same thing is happening with earlier the house and all these athletes have come out of the problem i think that we have a responsible people such as jackie robinson thousands who has listened to have economic ties as political task but some point that people who are in positions to give these people some insulation should begin to get them set up in business together and tied into our positions where they can be assured of a lab right now the spot where they can be visible we could set these people out there are people like thomas within our citizens individuals say look like he backed the back is that the smugglers the fifth beatle and that will cause porn again of the establishment in this country status quo as you know showed the neighbors that you know confront the white man would've done politically socially them away and the windup and if you think of the osprey have a lot of all of the 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Booker T. Washington's Atlanta Exposition Speech
ADDRESS BY BOOKER T. WASHINGTON, PRINCIPAL TUSKEGEE NORMAL AND INDUSTRIAL INSTITUTE, TUSKEGEE, ALABAMA, AT OPENING OF ATLANTA EXPOSITION, Sept. 18th, 1895.
Mr. President and Gentlemen of the Board of Directors and Citizens:
One third of the population of the South is of the Negro race. No enterprise seeking the material, civil, or moral welfare of this section can disregard this element of our population and reach the highest success. I but convey to you, Mr. President and Directors, the sentiment of the masses of my race when I say that in no way have the value and manhood of the American Negro been more fittingly and generously recognized than by the managers of this magnificent Exposition at every stage of its progress. It is a recognition that will do more to cement the friendship of the two races than any occurrence since the dawn of our freedom.
Not only this, but the opportunity here afforded will awaken among us a new era of industrial progress. Ignorant and inexperienced, it is not strange that in the first years of our new life we began at the top instead of at the bottom; that a seat in Congress or the State Legislature was more sought than real estate or industrial skill; that the political convention or stump speaking had more attractions than starting a dairy farm or truck garden.
A ship lost at sea for many days suddenly sighted a friendly vessel. From the mast of the unfortunate vessel was seen a signal: "Water, water; we die of thirst!" The answer from the friendly vessel at once came back: "Cast down your bucket where you are." A second time the signal, "Water, water; send us water!" ran up from the distressed vessel, and was answered: "Cast down your bucket where you are." And a third and fourth signal for water was answered: "Cast down your bucket where you are." The captain of the distressed vessel, at last heeding the injunction, cast down his bucket, and it came up full of fresh, sparkling water from the mouth of the am*zon River. To those of my race who depend on bettering their condition in a foreign land, or who underestimate the importance of cultivating friendly relations with the Southern white man, who is their next door neighbor, I would say: "Cast down your bucket where you are" — cast it down in making friends in every manly way of the people of all races by whom we are surrounded. Cast it down in agriculture, mechanics, in commerce, in domestic service, and in the professions. And in this connection it is well to bear in mind that whatever other sins the South may be called to bear, when it comes to business, pure and simple, it is in the South that the Negro is given a man's chance in the commercial world, and in nothing is this Exposition more eloquent than in emphasizing this chance.
Our greatest danger is, that in the great leap from slavery to freedom we may overlook the fact that the masses of us are to live by the productions of our hands, and fail to keep in mind that we shall prosper in proportion as we learn to dignify and glorify common labor and put brains and skill into the common occupations of life; shall prosper in proportion as we learn to draw the line between the superficial and the substantial, the ornamental gewgaws of life and the useful. No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem. It is at the bottom of life we must begin, and not at the top. Nor should we permit our grievances to overshadow our opportunities.
To those of the white race who look to the incoming of those of foreign birth and strange tongue and habits for the prosperity of the South, were I permitted I would repeat what I say to my own race, "Cast down your bucket where you are." Cast it down among the 8,000,000 Negroes whose habits you know, whose fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your firesides. Cast down your bucket among these people who have, without strikes and labor wars, tilled your fields, cleared your forests, built your railroads and cities, and brought forth treasures from the bowels of the earth, and helped make possible this magnificent representation of the progress of the South. Casting down your bucket among my people, helping and encouraging them as you are doing on these grounds, and to education of head, hand, and heart, you will find that they will buy your surplus land, make blossom the waste places in your fields, and run your factories. While doing this, you can be sure in the future, as in the past, that you and your families will be surrounded by the most patient, faithful, law-abiding, and unresentful people that the world has seen.
As we have proved our loyalty to you in the past, in nursing your children, watching by the sick bed of your mothers and fathers, and often following them with tear-dimmed eyes to their graves, so in the future, in our humble way, we shall stand by you with a devotion that no foreigner can approach, ready to lay down our lives, if need be, in defense of yours, interlacing our industrial, commercial, civil, and religious life with yours in a way that shall make the interests of both races one. In all things that are purely social we can be as separate as the fingers, yet one as the hand in all things essential to mutual progress.
There is no defense or security for any of us except in the highest intelligence and development of all. If anywhere there are efforts tending to curtail the fullest growth of the Negro, let these efforts be turned into stimulating, encouraging, and making him the most useful and intelligent citizen. Effort or means so invested will pay a thousand percent interest. These efforts will be twice blessed--"blessing him that gives and him that takes.
"There is no escape through law of man or God from the inevitable: “The laws of changeless justice bind Oppressor with oppressed; And close as sin and suffering joined We march to fate abreast.”
Nearly sixteen millions of hands will aid you in pulling the load upwards, or they will pull you against the load downwards. We shall constitute one third and more of the ignorance and crime of the South, or one third its intelligence and progress; we shall contribute one third to the business and industrial prosperity of the South, or we shall prove a veritable body of death, stagnating, depressing, retarding every effort to advance the body politic.
Gentlemen of the Exposition, as we present to you our humble effort at an exhibition of our progress, you must not expect overmuch. Starting thirty years ago with ownership here and there in a few quilts and pumpkins and chickens (gathered from miscellaneous sources), remember the path that has led from these to the inventions and production of agricultural implements, buggies, steam engines, newspapers, book, statuary, carving, paintings, the management of drug stores and banks has not been trodden without contact with thorns and thistles. While we take pride in what we exhibit as a result of our independent efforts, we do not for a moment forget that our part in this exhibition would fall far short of your expectations but for the constant help that has come to our educational life, not only from the Southern States, but especially from Northern philanthropists, who have made their gifts a constant stream of blessing and encouragement.
The wisest among my race understand that the agitation of questions of social equality is the extremist folly, and that progress in the enjoyment of all the privileges that will come to us must be the result of severe and constant struggle rather than of artificial forcing. No race that has anything to contribute to the markets of the world is long in any degree ostracized. It is important and right that all privileges of the law be ours, but it is vastly more important that we be prepared for the exercises of these privileges. The opportunity to earn a dollar in a factory just now is worth infinitely more than the opportunity to spend a dollar in an opera house.
In conclusion, may I repeat that nothing in thirty years has given us more hope and encouragement, and drawn us so near to you of the white race, as this opportunity offered by the Exposition; and here bending, as it were, over the altar that represents the results of the struggles of your race and mine, both starting practically empty-handed three decades ago, I pledge that in your effort to work out the great and intricate problem which God has laid at the doors of the South you shall have at all times the patient, sympathetic help of my race; only let this be constantly in mind that, while from representations in these buildings of the product of field, of forest, of mine, of factory, letters, and art, much good will come, yet far above and beyond material benefit, will be that higher good, that let us pray God will come, in a blotting out of sectional differences and racial animosities and suspicions, in a determination to administer absolute justice, in a willing obedience among all classes to the mandates of law. This, this, coupled with our material prosperity, will bring into our beloved South a new heaven and a new earth.
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MY THOUGHTS- paragraph by paragraph
Book T washington like Frederick Douglass had a personal relationship with non black women that explained their personal affinity for the united states of america. Booker t washington's wife was a white asian while frederick douglass had a white mistress a generation or more younger than him. He is wrong to speak for the majority of black people whose sentiment he falsely defines. But I comprehend like Douglass like W.E.B. Dubois when younger, they knew most Black people in the usa circa 1865 were anti white plus anti usa in all earnest. So all three knew to get the white financing they got: Douglass /white abolitionist[abolition of enslavement not black uplifting], W.E.B. Dubois/white jew[utilizing blacks to profit from while change the white populace t a judeo christian], Washington/white southern christians[ white fiscal libertarians of the south, looking to rebuild the south while oppose the coming era of the welfare state that is dominant today but had signs back then] they each suggested they spoke for the majority in the black populace when in truth none of them did. Garvey spoke for the majority in the black populace more than any of them, douglass/dubois/washington.
Washington's point here has truth. The integration of W.E.B. Dubois when younger is the one that prevailed from this time. It is of black individuals succeeding in the white community., while the black community simply doesn't exist. a black populace exist but not a community. Washington would be 100% correct if not for one key problem, that he doesn't mention. White people. White people from his time onward, throughout the Jim crow era, 1865 to 1980 had never ending campaigns of terror toward black people in the united states of america, especially whenever black people showed signs of ownership, craft. Was it black people's fault Rosewood, a black town or city, or that the black region of tulsa, a city of parts, were annihilated by whites? Did the black people of rosewood or black tulsa commit a crime? no. White people committed crimes assaulting/murdering/arsoning black people and their homes and their land, and said whites were never approached by the rule of law for their actions. So white people killed Booker t washington's strategy but murdering a majority of black rural life in the usa, until 1980 when the black populace of the usa has become in majority urbanized and developed a well earned heritage against rural life. How many black people's dairy farms or truck gardens were destroyed or stolen by whites from 1865 to 1980? moreover, asking black people, or any people, to be eternally determined while being eternally terrorized is an insult, to any people. Remember a black baby born in 1865 who lived to 1965, a hundred years later lived their entire life in jim crow. Case closed.
Unfortunately, whites of the south proved Booker T Washington simply wrong. Again, Rosewood/Black Tulsa, and does anyone know how many black towns/black regions of cities were destroyed/harmed/assaulted by white terorrist, whom Booker T washington called white neighbors? You can't argue against what people live. Booker T Washington is asking for Black people to have a faith in the south of all places... when I think of my forebears in the south who sharecropped, who fled white terror, who had their land taken by white power... Booker T Washington asks too much from black people in the u.s.a. , a people who were given no aid when finally legally made free by the white vote, who were 90% in the former confederacy, and lived through over one hundred years of pure white terror. How can any black person have faith in the states that made the former confederacy: texas to maryland plus borderland of neighboring states, when black children are being hanged while white people smile or mock, pregnant black women burned alive... Washington asks more than any majority can allow. yes, a minority of black people from 1865 to today truly love the south, and believe in befriending the white southerner but the white southerner made sure the majority of blacks , will never trust them or the south by their own hands.
Washington is correct, it is never wise to dwell on the past. But, while one can not dwell on their mother being violated, are they to dismiss their wife? and if they do are they also then to dismiss their daughter? when does the modernity of grievances to the white terrorizer have more value than the financial opportunities given by the white terrorizer? And in the jim crow era, 1865 to 1980, the white community in majority in the united states of america was a daily terrorist through aiding or abetting the minority of whites who committed crimes to blacks. Washington feared that the emphasis on paperwork from colleges or universities over skills learned in use, would lead to a falseness of quality, and it happened. Whereas Black people in 1865 could barely read or write because whites made black people learning to read or write illegal, Blacks in 1865 had a mastery of multitudes of crafts no other people before or after had, or has, in the united states of america. But again, white terror did a thorough job. Booker t washington couldn't offer protection, he could only offer the concept of determination while a black person's town burns.
Washington's advice to whites was wise, but whites didn't heed it. The whites of the south didn't treat their black neighbors with evenness or love but with terror with treachery with abuse of power.. and as white terror never abated, black patience to the south or whites of the south died, black faith in the south or in the possibilities of the south died, black resentment was emboldened and strengthened to the south beyond the max, and the majority of black activity that black people felt dignity in was only through illegal acts in the south . Washington wasn't wrong but whites didn't heed him. in the end, the fiscally wealthy whites who supported his cause, didn't have control over the majority of fiscally common white folks in the south, who were born and raised, before and after the war between the states, to delete any sign of black happiness or to generate black woe no matter the condition of black people.
Washington was wrong, what he calls loyalty was fear. The enslaved black person was not loyal to the white slaver, they were afraid. I comprehend why Booker T said that, whites regardless of their fiscal condition, like the idea of reimagining the confederacy and the states of it before the war between the states as having a loving black populace. A lie, but one whites have never let go, in a true sign of shame on ones guilt.
The integrationist in booker t washington comprehended that the united states of america will always be multiracial in its human makeup. yes, the usa is a white country, but it has never been only of a white people. So , the imbalances between the peoples in the usa will only lead to inevitable splinters. When? who knows exactly. and many white leaders in the confederacy states before the confederacy or after, from thomas jefferson to andrew jackson to Jefferson Davis to Robert e lee to strom thurman all chose to hinder the black populace in said lands and kick the need for all, not just the white , to prosper in the south, which leads to 2026 , where many of said states have white majority populaces, with some non white euroopean allies, who are trying to excommunicate the non white european in masse as a solution after their leaders chose to hinder the non white for over one hundred years .
Booker T was prophetic. The bottom five states by the value of revenue per person are all former confederate states. Case closed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP#50_states_and_Washington,_D.C.
Unfortunately, patience has never been a strong element of white financial life in the usa. White financial life in the european colonies that preceded the united states of america was never about patience, but speed. Kill native americans for land, not pay native americans for land, or pay to lease land from the native american. Enslave black people to get wage below market value, not pay market value which will diminish revenue earned to whites. Whites in the usa have never used patience with fiscal capitalism. Booker T washington pleading for whites of the usa to have patience financially, is asking for a miracle.
Washington's point here is hard to positively regale a populace of black people who were enslaved to whites and are being terrorized by whites . Booker T is basically saying abuse is human nature, and that said abuse whether in the form of a white man whipping the skin off a black child or a white law enforcer betraying the law to abuse a civil black person or a white fiscal operator producing a terrorizing contract on black people who can't read or any abuse from whites to blacks is a possibility in human life. He adds that the abused black person by white terror in the usa has to focus on ways to not being abused again while having great value in the global marketplace while keeping to a life of civil plus legal activity even if in a confine through white terror. Clarke suggest it is self reliance but it is far more than that. It is self reliance in spite of the truth. Booker T Washington is saying the black people of Rosewood, Florida : business owners, landowners, financially successful have to individually or collectively, after whites murdered and burned rosewood away, to figure out a way :to not be surrounded and annihilated by whites absent most of their possession being destroyed or stolen by whites , finding a greater value to the global market place even though they have just had their financial balance or growth annihilated, stay as examples of the most legal of actors. It is more involved than self reliance. It is a zeal/unhealthy high mindedness about self reliance, that forgets to cognize human beings don't have to choose that path.
Booker T Washington in his words was a statian , but more specifically a black southerner. He liked the south over the north. Zora Neale Hurston from Florida, always said her little town was happy and pleasant even while whites did all sorts of things . His call to be more of the land, more of craft is his strongest wisdom and least implemented by black people today, through the efforts of whites who madeblack people distrust the safety of black ownership in the usa. As a character said in the movie Posse from MArio van Peebels"I bought myself out of slavery, twice, this is it" The christian god didn't give whites the ability to get their foot off the neck of blacks in the south and all the warnings booker t washington posited came to be.
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