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  2. OK. lol. I get it. You're not interested. Thank you for your opinion. And I will try to be as discreet as I can for what I do decide to post publicly and also, I will consider your advice in sharing privately to allow Troy the chance to wrangle with it initially. Anyway, I won't be offended if you choose not to read my research.
  3. Chevdove Troy may be looking forward to your research findings......lol.....but if it's THAT damn depressing you might want to keep it to yourself. Or just private message it to Troy and let HIM wrangle with it...lol. It's not like I'm saying "ignorance is bliss"....but sometimes NO news is GOOD news.
  4. Lol....looks like YOU answered your own question before I could.
  5. People need to know and understand how a particular issue will benefit or harm them PERSONALLY. Once this is properly explained to them, it will more often than not motivate them to get off the couch. The problem I see is the Democrat Party USED TO be the party of the people and the issues they promoted were simple and straight forward and easy for the public to understand. We're for Civil Rights, Women's Rights, and Worker's Rights....vote for us! And Troy if you rememer the 70s and early 80s most of the public was Democrat! It was almst taboo in many circles among common people to claim to be a Republican or even vote Republican! But sometime during the late 80s or 90s the Democrat Party got sabatoged with "environmental" issues "LGBT" moral issue and "legalizing weed" issues that confused a lot of voters and turned many others off. So now over half of those who used to be Democrat now either turned Republican or just stay home and refuse to get involved because they don't see anyone fighting for them or pushing issues that interest them.
  6. Cyniqeey Obviously. Having admitted that, why should anybody pay any attention to or place any credence in the scenarios you make up in your head and subsequently declare to be true. Such as: Coming from a woman who called a man who ADMITTED himself to be a chronic liar, "honest"....lol.....can my credibility be any worse???? My intelligence, education, or the lack of it has NO bearing on the truth. If I say the Earth is round....the Earth is still round whether Pioneer went to elementary school or not. If I say water is made up of oxygen and hydrogen....the water is still made up of these elements whether I can write my own name or not. Either what I say is true or it isn't, my academic history is irrelevant in the matter. Troy you views of college are distorted and warped. Indeed, they do sound like the ramblings of someone who never attended. Whether or not you agree with my REASONS for why the percentage of AfroAmerican males in college are so low compared to many other demographics.....you wouldn't argue with me that they are still lowr, would you? And if not......they what do YOU think the reasons are for the low rate of AfroAmerican males in institutions of higher learning if my reasons are wrong?
  7. Troy what would you propose that we do with, or for, gay people? Lol..... The same thing we do WITH and FOR straight people. Treat them as individuals according to thier personal behavior. However because AfroAmericans are still a numerical minority in this nation I think it would be in our best interests to keep our population optimal and not let it decrease. If the homosexual population in any group increases, theoretically that could also spell a DECREASE in the future population of that group since there would be a decrease in heterosexual male/female couples having sex and reproducing. So I'd say just like they keep race and sex statistics.....I think we should also keep statistics on the percentage of the population who are heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual to see if the RATES of homosexuality and bisexuality is indeed increasing in various groups. And if so...why. If we are living in a free and open society where everyone can practice their sexuality in peace not hide who they are, and I notice that in one generation the percentage of homosexuals has increased from 5% to 13%.....I want to know why.
  8. This has been occuring in the United States for DECADES. Not only are they separating immigrant children from their parents but every day AMERICAN CITIZENS are having their children taken away from them and "caged" by Child Protective Services and other agencies. I'm very curious as to what will be the immediate and long terms reactions of the Latino communities in the United States.
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  10. Wow! I didn't know that. lol! But yes, I agree, we are paying the price.
  11. Chevdove

    Royal Wedding, Are. You. Watching?

    lol. I hope it's not taken wrong to laugh but, I don't agree with all that Dr. Umar stands for either. Some of what he says fits into the exact description you give to the point, it made me laugh. On the surface, he offers comfort food, and sometimes comfort food can be bad for us. But on a deeper, more histoical level, do I see this as being a reality. But let's not only look at the UK now, but on a global level. Do you know about the history of Genghis Khan? I am just learning about this and applying it to my other research. Genghis Khans grandsons come from a Keraite mother [ie. KARAITE, meaning Black Israelite]. HIs four grandsons leveled the Keraite empire and the Islamic power and political structure. It was a full blown genocidal attempt on the Black men. The Mongol force swept west all the way to Palestine and then turned to Egypt, but they were stopped by a force much like them. So yes, I do believe that this bi-racial woman was a planned event due to a global issue on a large scale and not just to be divisive on a gender basis. The ancient Persian empire do the same. The marriage to a Black woman became a positive aspect though, in this case. The Persians supported the cultures of many and they did not wish to destroy others in the quest to be the head. It is not the same in other governments though. But political and arranged marriages should not be taken for peace or just for love. In my opinion.
  12. Troy

    Royal Wedding, Are. You. Watching?

    The problem with this reasoning is that anything that Black men and women disagree about can conceivably be attributed to some diabolical scheme hatched by white folk to divide us. When these conspiracies are articulated by a charismatic Brother, like Dr Umar, it is are given credibility because he has a Phd (supposedly) and it just feels good to hear. Think about it: you are saying that some cabal of white men told Harry to find him a "biracial" woman, because this will help destabilize the relationships between Black Men and women in the UK, America -- indeed globally. Do I understand what you believe correctly?
  13. Maybe I just simply can't get myself to believe that even Ben Carson or Kanye West would deliberately do something to harm other Black people. Sure I could be naive and too trusting of these individuals. Now if we were talking about some ex drug dealer turned rapper sure, but not these too guys. Kayne has mental health issues and I believe Dr. Carson is somewhere on the autism spectrum. These guys can not be held completely accountable for what they say or do. The real shame is that white media love to give these guys complete coverage of their ramblings -- exploiting their nonsense for revenue... and we pay the price.
  14. Chevdove

    Royal Wedding, Are. You. Watching?

    Well, yes I do. absolutely. Division is what has been done with great planning to organize this Big government, division on many levels. I definitely believe that GENDER DIVISION is a major tool used today just as it had been in the foundation making of America. It has been effective. It has been very effective in the past. But no, I don't believe it was the first goal at all. I believe this marriage is political though. Maybe that London based African sister was not interested, but there were a lot of African-typed people that did put in their support for it.
  15. lol. I am giving your rebuke some thought. But for now, I still believe that the statements made by Kanye and Ben Carson are incredible and used with intent to harm for the benefit of this Western Civilization in the promotion of White America. Don't mean to sound like I have a poor Black college education or that I am rambling. I do have an HBCU education, but I did also do pretty well on national test; above average in Biology and NTE. I did put both my children through colleges. They have master's degrees in engineering; MIT and UM. So, again, I don't mean to sound stupid, but I given this some thought. I hope to read other's views and see if I will feel differently later.
  16. Trump. Has. Rounded. Up, Children. Of,. Illegal. Immigrants,And,Put. Them. In. Cages,Jail,Confinement,,Away,From. Their. Parents. .Black,Democrats. Concerned,Not. Concerned. To. Talk. About,Black. Men. Having. Children. They. Do. Not. Care. About. Multiple. Babies. With. Multiple. Women.. Or. Talk,About. Preachers. Having. Children. With. Mistresses. Arrested. For. Stealing,Caught. With. Prostitutes. Arrested. For. Killing. Their. Wives,Stealing. Church. Money,Buying. Cars,Entertaining. Their. Mistresses. ..Black. Men. Genocide,,Their. Own. People,Gangs,Crack. Houses,Pimp. Houses....White. Democrats. On. The. News. Concerned. About,Children. Of. Illegal. Immigrants. Being. Rounded. Up,Contained,It. Is. Child. Abuse. White. Democrats. Not ,Shedding. Years. For. Black. Children. Or. Innocent. Black,Killed. By. Police. Or. Street. Gangs,They. Got. Black,Votes. Controlled.. Difference. Between. Black. Holocaust,Jewish. Holocaust,Jewish. People. Not. Continuing. Their. Holocaust,....Democrats. And. Republicans. Are. The,Same,Lot. Of. Ways.. Neither. Concerned. About. Poor,Black. Communities,Poor. Inner. City. Schools....Black,Democrats. Act. Like. They. Own. Black. Votes....Need. Black. Independent. Political. People....
  17. Book. Speaks. Of. The. Relationship. Between. Self-Esteem. ,And. Student. Achievement..Book. by. Dr. Jawanza. -Kunjufu...Positive. Images. And. Discipline. Of. ,Black,Children....
  18. @wallace That is THE point. Whites have a great wealth of films depicting themselves as heroes. We get one film, Black Panther a character made up in the 60's by a couple of white boys, and we go ape-shit. We are so needy. They are not. In this respect there is a world of difference between Black people and white people.
  19. @Chevdove, looking forward to reading what you've learned. I don't know the nature of you research, but hopefully you use the information to effect change.
  20. Troy

    Royal Wedding, Are. You. Watching?

    Wait, what?! Y'all really believe that they "let" a so called Black woman into the royal family as a way to weaken Black female support for Black men, as Dr. Umar asserts? To my mind that sounds preposterous; one because I don't think those white folks arranged the marriage for this purpose, and two even if I brought into that conspiracy theory I don't think for one second that it would be effective. The conscious London based African sisters that I work with on a regular basis are not motivated by some stupid wedding -- they don't have time for it. But you know what, I will ask a couple that, I'm trading emails with, now what they personally think, and what they think the broader Black community in London thinks about the royal wedding.
  21. I agree @Chevdove, Ben and Trump are being used and they are not conscious enough to recognize it. Perhaps all the attention and money they received has blinded them to this fact. @Pioneer1, you views of college are distorted and warped. Indeed, they do sound like the ramblings of someone who never attended. As someone who has attended college (I have two masters degrees), currently teaches at the college level, and who has put two kids through college, I'd be the first to admit that colleges have serious problems -- particularly as it relates to the education of poor Black people. But the stereotypes and the generalizations you make -- particularly about Black men -- are far from the reality. @Cynique gives a good explanation why this is the case.
  22. Yeah political activism of this type is not practised by most of us... shoot it is hard enough just to get us to vote during the midterms.
  23. RM Interviewer

    Richard Murray Fanatacism Audible

    Round 9 0:40 USA wins the 2026 world cup congratulations but here is some information you may not know 9:32 More world cup entries will force a change in conmebol 11:36 Res is not AS 12:11 world cup thoughts Transcripts R1 , R2 , R3 , R4 , R5 ,R6 , R7, R8 , R9, R10 Richard Murray Thoughts Series Kings of London Epic Poem Series
  24. RM Interviewer

    Richard Murray Fanatacism Audible

    Good Morning good afternoon or Good evening, wherever you are listening. I am richard murray and this is the richard murray fanatacism audible Round 9 June 19th 2018 I am in google plus as Richard Murray Fanatacism , I moderate a community in google plus called wsplus spelled w-s-p-l-u-s I am in twitter as thetenner10 t-h-e-t-e-n-n-e-r-1-0 CONTENT This edition will be short. And may be the last until after the world cup, remember to check the AALBC blog for information on the next posting and with that being said, big thanks to @JimmyConrad for stating $431 dollars per ticket for the usa world cup. I wonder what the price to morocco's if they would had won? Jeremy st Louis has clearly never been fiscally poor to jibe to savings in reply to jimym conrad's statement I quote Maame Dede Williams: <https://twitter.com/darmooh82/status/1006935816931815425 > All those tweeting crap about countries who didn’t vote for the #United2026 bid, get off your high horses. Hosting the WC is earned not a right. So stop complaining & calling other countries names because they exercised their sovereign right. No one owes U an explanation! ?? ...My reply to her is: that is to be expected , you have to realize if morocco or usa won, the ones who voted against the usa would be criminalized in usa media. Thus only Cuba abstained from voting. ... now getting into the voting is interesting. A friend of mine came from small islands in the caribbean, who have been denied aid from the usa, they all voted for the usa, including dominica who voted against the usa in the prior round. Gary Bailley stated how can countries like bahamas vote against the usa, considering the repurcussions. If only the caribbean would had abstained altogether. The map from a ny times article display it well < https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/08/sports/worldcup/fifa-vote-world-cup-2026-host.html > All in concacaf voted for the usa. All but brazil in south america voted for the usa. I will love to know why or how brasil didn't but then all the others did vote for the usa. I know story is there. Most from UEFA voted for the USA which is expected. Spain did not vote, which is interesting. France side Italy, netherlands, belgium, voted for the morocco bid. In AFC, Iran voted to neither usa or morocco. In Far east Asia it played out in some way obvious. But had interesting moments, One china, peoples republic or taiwan, voted for morocco. Hong Kong, oddly enough voted for the usa, while china/north korea/macau/taiwan all voted for morocco... hmm In the end, while the usa was able to finance all the votes in concacaf outside cuba, morocco was not able to regale all from CAF/all muslim/nearby UEFA to vote for them. Nearby uefa in spain/italy/france voted for morocco. but the following is a listing of countries that have majority muslim populations or are in the confederation of african football or the caribbean football union that did not vote for Morocco, make of them what you will. afghanistan , anguilla, antigua and barbuda, bahamas, azerbaijan, bahrain, bangladesh, barbados, benin, botswana, british virgin islands, cape verde, curacao, dominica, dominican republic, grenada, guinea, guyana, haiti, indonesia, iraq, jamaica, jordan, kuwait, kyrgystan, lebanon, lesotho, liberia, malaysia, mozambique, namibia, saudi arabia, sierra leone, singapore,south africa , saint kitts nevis, st lucia, st vincent, suriname, trinidad and tobago, turks and caicos, united arab emirates, uzbekistan, zimbabwe ... after looking at who voted against , southern C.A.F. members lost any future claim to caf unity to me, if any country from the southern C.A.F. want to hold a world cup the other countries in c.a.f. who voted for morocco must vote against them. I have heard many in the south africa's , zimbabwe,s botswana's, talk about uniting caf, and yet they voted this way. for me, caf unity is finished. To the C.F.U., they all could had abstained or voted none of the above, like cuba. but c.f.u. unity is finished for me, cause when you can vote for a country that is hurting your own, that has a negative influence on your own, that betrays the whole point of unity. lastly, muslims, i find it entertaining that the united arab emirates voted against an arab country. Again, do not speak of unity on larger things when you can't be united on lesser things. I asked Paulo Frietas did the brasilian fa say anything about why he voted, he replied < https://twitter.com/Cynegeticus/status/1006950854937796608 > < https://twitter.com/Cynegeticus/status/1006954901933576211 > and basically, the elected official was quite and didn't go into details. i expect, the legal action from the us federal government to former brasilian fa officials side investment oportunities in morocco or debts from the brasilian world cup had a part to play. The official list from FIFA is linked in the transcript < https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/voting-results-for-the-2026-fifa-world-cup.pdf?cloudid=vpnl19m2xr8zk50mnor3 > ... I looked at the future bids to 2030 and 2034, it seems the influence to the usa rears its ugly head again. Argentina/Uruguay/PAraguay have a collective bid for 2030. all the countries in caf that voted for morocco must vote against them, on pure principle. a southeast asian collective want to joint bid for 2034. ... I remember when Japan/south korea joint bidded. It was japan's world cup with south korea getting some matches. if this goes to the inevitable then one day we will see confederation bids. where essentially, the world cup rotates from confederation to confederation in a simple sequence where confederation make joint bids from members. having a voting process to regions in confederations makes the single vote augmented too much. we will see. ...Maame Williams is in twitter as Darmooh82 spelled d-a-r-m-o-o-h-8-2 Jimmy Conrad is in twitter as JimmyConrad spelled j-i-m-m-y-c-o-n-r-a-d Jeremy St Louis is in twitter as jrstlouis spelled j-r-s-t-l-o-u-i-s Gary Bailley is in twitter as Paulo frietas is in twitter as cynegeticus spelled c-y-n-e-g-e-t-i-c-u-s ... and remember to check out articles from outside the anglophone to comprehend what others are saying about the usa victory ... like the following < https://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/copa-do-mundo/noticia/voto-do-brasil-no-marrocos-desata-crise-diplomatica-na-fifa.ghtml TRANSLATION https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgloboesporte.globo.com%2Ffutebol%2Fcopa-do-mundo%2Fnoticia%2Fvoto-do-brasil-no-marrocos-desata-crise-diplomatica-na-fifa.ghtml&edit-text=&act=url > I learned from Paulo Frietas detailing the issue of brasil voting against the other conmebol countries. From the article conmebol had arrived with a planned block vote to regale, not enforce concacaf through the usa lead to vote as a block for argentina/uruguay/paraguay as a joint bid. The brasilian fa head knew but he chose to vote for morocco. While the USA did its best to eliminate as many people as possible from fifa who were in potent positions in denying the usa a world cup, those people have others who will always resent the usa for what it did and that repurcussion will be seen or unseen in the administration to the beautiful game globally NO SPEAK quotes from brazilian article : "The formalization of the support was in a document made public by Conmebol on April 13, the result of a meeting of Conmebol Council - of which Nunes is part - held in Buenos Aires. The agreement would be ratified in two other meetings of the same Council, one May 11 in Asuncion, and another on June 11 in Moscow. Colonel Nunes, 80, was present at all." : "At Conmebol, which cemented support for North America, CBF's attitude was understood as an inexcusable betrayal. In exchange for support for the 2026 World Cup, the South American confederation hoped to have the votes of the North in the vote to choose the venue for the 2030 World Cup, when a candidacy made up of Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay must face England." : "This Thursday, therefore 24 hours after the crisis created by Coronel Nunes, Conmebol will promote an event in Moscow to promote its candidacy for the 2030 World Cup. All leaders of the continent will be there to show support for Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay . In the conversation between cards, Brazil became a joke: "Perhaps it is better for Brazil not to send anyone. They can declare support for the other candidate." Nunes was told not to go there." : "The lack of a convincing explanation on the part of the CBF fueled several speculations, each with some degree of verisimilitude, but none doable. One: it was a retaliation to the fact that the US and Mexico did not accept to compete for the Copa América of Brazil in 2019. Another: Nunes did not vote in the US as a revenge against the country that ended the career of his mentor, Marco Polo Del Nero." SPEAK Kay Murray suggested < https://twitter.com/KayLMurray/status/1007311658182733825 > , and I paraphrase her, over playing quality or tournament need, the bringing together to the global sporting event known as the fifa world cup, is the best part and helps beyond the pitch. ... I think her position has value but structurally, the problem is world cup qualification or the confederations structures. Conmebol in particular has to add more members to is confederation to sustain the conedration model, uefa has too many countries already. AFC or CAF have so many countries they can tolerate the growth more. I think the cfu, the caribbean football union may break up into a north and south version, or at least, need to, with the south joining conmebol. I consider southern cfu, the lesser antilles side the south american cfu members. If fifa keeps growing the members to the world cup, conmebol will need more than three new members to maintain the competitive advantage in their qualification model. ... some have opined that conmebol side concacaf need to combine a kind of soccer based monroe doctrine. i do not like that idea. the usa has already shown its ability to use its government to influence fifa, doing this will only make it stronger, and fifa will become like the united nations or olympics, a usa based organization masquerading falsely as global. ... I responded to kay with the following : a structural question is: will conmebol add members to maintain quality in their qualification model? a cultural question is: are most communities in modern humanity desiring unity side each other? ... check out the prose from romelu lukaku in the player tribune, shared through kay murray, linked in the transcript. Kay murray is in twitter as kaylmurray spelled k-a-y-l-m-u-r-r-a-y NO SPEAK Romelu Lukaku players tribune article < https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/romelu-lukaku-ive-got-some-things-to-say?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=worldcup18&utm_term=Lukaku > tweet < https://twitter.com/PlayersTribune/status/1008560263182897162 > referral < https://twitter.com/KayLMurray/status/1008909366920085504 > SPEAK Res Roma will join ACF Brescia and become a sister club. While ACF Brescia will become AC Milan, Res Roma will become AS Roma < https://plus.google.com/b/113017478177192749610/116860551396466062603/posts/U17zEUxC6oE > The news came from Isabella Lamberti in WSplus , please go to the transcript to read the news. ?To the copa mundial ...that the results so far from this world cup prove that Video Assistance Refereeing like refereeing absent video assistance, picks or chooses when it operates, ala the goal against Brasil from Australia. Miranda was pushed in the back, if following the law is the point, then not following the law is... what... Confederation of African Football members have been hurt by penalties and set piece more than any other. This proves that the refereeing in C.A.F. will no longer suit the refereeing in the world cup. I still advocate not implementing video review in any tournament or league. but the competitiveness in C.A.F. has to grow. In the transcript I have my idea that was created for the womens game, but is applicable in the mens game in CAF. < https://plus.google.com/b/113017478177192749610/+RichardMurraysFanatacism/posts/d3FoSrqJERB > CAF must become more competitive in all flag based or club based competition. Dani Alves injury was massive. I wish Tite was brave and play a 343, utilizing Miranda/Thiago Silva/Marquinhos in the back, and in midfield Marcelo/casemiro/Paulinho/Willian and in the attacking trident use Douglas Costa/Neymar/Coutinho Gabriel Jesus/Fernandhino/Danilo to me, need to all be on the bench. they are all good players but they are all tuned to the guardiola way and each offers little to nothing in the individual artistic threat that permeates the others. the 433 when Dani Alves played side Marcelo worked cause the artistic attack had balance as marcelo side dani alves both are electric from the wide back role. The only way I can see the 433 remain is if Felipe Luiz can play a false right back role. thus, casemiro/paulinho/renato augusto can play in the midfield. two from thiago silva/mirande/marquinhos can play center defense. and then Neymar G jesus Willian can play up top with marcelo as the right back and felipe luis as the false left. Lastly, if Napoli taught me anything and this relate to Mexico, when people start crying and becoming very emotional at the end of a match that has not decided anything with many matches to go, they can truly slip up. we will see how mexico handle the next match. ...Well that is it for this audible round. Any questions, please contact me in the african american literary book club as RM Interviewer ... be Safe END SPEAK Timing from Spreaker, infer main questions, place in aalbc article side google post CONTENT 0:40 USA wins the 2026 world cup congratulations but here is some information you may not know 9:32 More world cup entries will force a change in conmebol 11:36 Res is not AS 12:11 world cup thoughts
  25. richardmurray

    RIchard Murray Creative Table

    The Onmyoji contest finalist https://go.deviantart.com/journal/Onmyoji-Fan-Art-Contest-Winners-749751167 An article on the last action hero's origin. I always love when the film making process is exposed, to how wild it is. I place some quotes after the uniform resource locater link https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/last-action-hero-25-legendary-flops-writers-look-back-fondness-disgust-130013366.html Schwarzenegger reportedly told Columbia if they hired Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid and The Princess Bride writer William Goldman to rework the script, he’d be their star; $1 million later, Goldman agreed to give it an uncredited polish. Penn: What I remember distinctly hearing was that he was working on Danny’s character. This could be total hearsay, so don’t hold me to this, but I remember reading the draft and seeing that there was a new starred page when he operates the crane. It said, “In this moment, as he operates the crane, Danny goes from being a boy to a man.” [Editor’s note: Leff said that line in unison with Penn.] Penn: I think I remember saying to Adam, “We’ve been doing this wrong.” If that’s all you have to do, we should have written, “And now the movie kicks into a higher gear that makes it great. By page 50, you’re going to love this.” I just remember thinking, “I can’t believe that counts as a rewrite. I also can’t believe that the great moment for our kid is operating a crane.” That was something that just seemed shocking to me that, “Oh yeah, I’ve always wanted to get into an action movie so I could operate a crane.” Leff: I have [had social interactions with Goldman] since. Very nice fellow. We’ve had some laughs about the movie and some of the things that went wrong. I think he also came away from it with some battle scars. Yet, even the award-winning talents of Goldman couldn’t satisfy the team in charge. What followed was a parade of highly respected script doctors and at least one beloved space princess. Penn: Carrie Fisher. Leff: Did Carrie Fisher do a pass? Penn: Yes, Carrie Fisher did a pass. … I did have an exchange with her once, and she laughed. [She said], “I don’t know why they paid me or what I did, but I did it.’ So. But who knows if it even made it in. Who knows? … By the way, I still have no idea who wrote what in the movie. Penn and Leff each named their specific issues with the final product. For Penn, it was the opening sequence in which Ripper (Tom Noonan) throws Slater’s kid off a roof. Penn: Our opening sequence was this crazy chase through the Beverly Center, with [Slater] saving a kid with one hand and shooting a guy with another and doing something really silly and unrealistic. But… Oh no, I have a better idea. A horrible, frightening-looking burn victim-serial killer from Manhunter ... throws axes at him and then hurls his son off the roof to his death. Which of those sounds like a more fun opening for this movie? And clearly it’s the serial killer. Leff: I think the thing that I gagged on and still gag on today was the magic ticket, that golden ticket, the magic ticket. That just still kills me. What we had done in the original script is … the kid is sort of getting sucked through the screen. Penn: Right, there was a tear in the screen. Leff: There is a tear in the screen, and he’s going up to inspect the tear and he actually kind of gets sucked into the movie, and you never really know exactly what happens. I don’t know, maybe that wasn’t great either, but to me it was better than a magic ticket, which which just makes me sick to this day. Leff and Penn also objected to the movie’s ending, in which Danny finds himself at the mercy of Ripper and must be saved by Slater. PENN: Imagine if E.T. was about a kid who just got pushed around and never did anything and didn’t help E.T. at all. That would not be effective. When you’re writing a wish-fulfillment story, someone’s wish needs to be fulfilled. Leff: His character never goes anywhere in the final version. Where we took his character might not have been the right place, in retrospect, I realize that 25 years later. We went way dark, but they probably could have taken it somewhere. Penn: In this, you really felt like he’s barely doing anything. I mean he’s meeting a girl who’s too old for him. I don’t know. I mean we could go on for a while. We had a lot of, there’s a lot of head-scratchers. You know, the animated cat obviously being one of them. I remember sitting in that premiere and just thinking, “What’s… why? What’s going on?” I thought, “Who’s running this show? How did this happen?”
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