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  1. LOL! They still have not respond to a certain question!!! LOL! What about if a boy was setting up house for a man, a boy in the 6th grade? *Male entitlement*
  2. Chevdove

    TROY, DISCUSSION & RESPECT

    @Delano Yeah, 'going on a hiateus' I think sometimes is good for everyone, but I just hope that, we as Afro-Americans, in general, who come together for scholarly debate don't attack each other so viciously that we cause someone to feel that a permanent hiatus is the only solution. I have read that both Troy and you had an earlier friendship and, I'm like, WOW, I hope they don't fall out too bad. LOL! Then I see you and PIoneer1 going at it, and then I'm thinking, DANG! Is this a man thing. LOL. Some situation comedies portray that men seem to go to disagreements differently than women--I don't know. OH! Thank you, thank you, thank you! But I can take criticism like any adult, and I will try to stay in the right frame of respect, that I believe in, however, I try to always put a check on myself too. I try to always be ready to say, I apologize. My perception of you though, is high because it is easy to see past the personal jabs aimed against you, for me. @Cynique I believe that 'trying' is the best that we all can do at times especially as you said, 'respect is mutual'. For me, though, when you write about your being 'tired and old and impatient' in one aspect, I can understand, but your energy and expression, defies your 'being old' IMO. You are so unique to me. Your spirit defies your being old. I'm old(er) too! LOL--But I want my spirit to be strong, no matter. @Mel Hopkins LOL! That is easy for me to see! This sounds like one of my sons, viewpoint! Thank you for the reference of the Late Dr. Chancellor Williams!
  3. Chevdove

    Kevin Hart Shows Some Heart

    @Cynique Thank you, thank you, thank you!-- for giving this consideration! @Delano yes, I can see the rhetoric about this species too, but the updated references seems to be such a contradiction amongst this scientific community on their breakdown of the terms 'homosexual behaviors' vs 'homosexuality'.
  4. TROY, DISCUSSION & RESPECT I have an inquiry about this community, but firstly, I want to say this: I want to just say, thank you Troy for having and maintaining this site, a site that I have been able to come to and learn and also share. I have a lot of respect for you for what you are doing. I love to engage in a scholarly debate on topics that I think revolve around the African American Community and topics that affect me, but I do not want to be insulting or disrespectful to anyone whether African American or not. I hope to obtain confirmations on certain topics of my interest and also learn new things. I could not even imagine what it takes to manage such a community, but I thank you for allowing me to be here in the little time that I have been so far. But now, I have an inquiry based on the tone that I am sensing due to some of the recent postings and debating that has been going on in some of the threads. I think that European Americans come from a background where they have conflicted violently amongst each other and the World Wars may be a marker for this, but what I wonder though, is that are people of African descent pre-conditioned or inherently different from other cultures in our well-known type of Black-vs-Black hatred meted out towards each other. Does the idea of ‘respect’ become impossible to do when we attempt to communicate and discuss issues that we feel may be important? Are we conditioned to feel that we must dominate and control each other’s thoughts and beliefs? What if another Black person disagrees with another stance, does this kind of disagreement warrant a slight or personal insult aimed to strike down, demean, bully and control? When a person has been dealt a personal attack on their character then, how should they respond in a community designed for discussion and debate? As for me, I come to this community to share and to gain other perspectives, but should I disagree, I am making a statement now, that I am going to ‘check myself’. There are some topics that are controversial but that should not mean that there is intent to harm. If I have offended someone wrongfully and it is brought to my attention, then I will try to make amends because I believe that this Discussion Community should not be used for the purpose of insulting another person. Some topics start out ‘intense’ but then humor is added in such a way that the interchange becomes a sharing experience. My coming here is not to attempt to control anyone or demean anyone who does not agree with me by dealing out personal insults or striking down someone’s humanity, freedom of speech or religious beliefs or whatever. If I write, for example, that I like psychedelic leaders, and then another poster states in response ‘that psychedelic leaders are freaks and practice beastiality’, well then, I might initially believe this is a personal attack, even after seeing valid references. Nevertheless, I am still going to try to receive it as criticism, but if there is truly no personal attack intended, then would it be so impossible to at least offer a respectful statement as an act of peaceful interchange? I want to share my beliefs and my research in hopes that I can gain or win someone over to what I have concluded but I have no intentions of hating or disrespecting anyone because of not agreeing with me. I hope that, at least, my input will be read and considered. But Troy, if I sense the urging to back off and leave this community that you have set up, then I will. I have much respect for the brilliance that so many Black African Americans and other people can bring to the table. But Hey!--If I am considered to stupid and ignorant to be respected too or to be given at least, the benefit of the doubt, and have my input weighed in on topics, I will refrain. Again, thank you Troy, for your genius.
  5. I know too, that many Black women have been hurt and abandoned. And, I believe for this reason, many of them have turned to other ways to gain that acknowledgement that they so deserve. This government has done so much damage to us. They have encouraged our gender conflicts because it gives them power over us. @Pioneer1 Number one, it's driven by the anger and hatred many AfroAmerican women have towards AfroAmerican men AS WELL as the ignorance many AfroAmerican women have about their own sexuality and African sexuality in general. Further, they see aligning themselves with Caucasian feminists as an opportunity to gain economic and political influence and power without realizing the tremendous toll it will take not only on them but the lives of future generations who will end up psychologically damaged and morally confused from their unwise alliances. I agree.
  6. @Troy I read what you wrote about California. Wow! But did you read my references? I was under the understanding that this issue was still based on parental consent. Based on most of the laws in the US, I would believe that this has become an issue of a long process of looking at experiences of these 14 year old and younger children. I think it now has become an issue about DATA and not 'placing morals on others'. It seems to be a governmental issue, meaning the government has taken control due to what has happened in the past with such things as 'child labor' and etc. I'm sure there are still children being forced to work in sweat shops today, but it is not an issue of morals after so many hundreds of years of observation. It is not an issue of my belief anymore. Pedophilia is well defined, rape is well defined. The example you posed about Jerry lee lewis, you don't think that the massive response is suitable enough to show how the world views this issue, and since then, how the government has repsonded? Troy What about @Mel Hopkins statement; you would not have a problem with a boy in the 6 grade getting married to an adult male? You would call that love? @Pioneer1 Yes. thank you Pioneer, for emphasizing what your main focus has been on!!! I can see that for you and perhaps other men, your idea of 'physically forcing himself on a girl above puberty' seems okay. But I think that as a woman, especially due to being in a position where a man is 'sweet talking' and trying to take it to that next levely, we woman see from another point-of-view'. I think it may be, as the saying goes, 'men are from mars and women are from venus'. As a woman, I know that a lot of girls are tricked into going to the next level and have been railroaded, but men perhaps here these stories and still think and believe the man's view in that the girl consented. That is why I am so grateful for the laws about 'age of consent'! It helps, but on a little!!!!! Side Story: I remember when I was in high school in California and I was mesmerized by this guy. He had already graduated but he was pursuing me hard. He was drafted into the football team in Stanford. So, I gave in to him and agreed to meet with him . . . during school hours. Our school was easy to walk off with any problems. So, I 'skipped school that day'. I walked home as he instructed. Then, I was SO HOPING that he did not come and knock on that door! . . . but he did! OMG! I couldn't believe it! I panicked. But, I decided--NOOOOO!!! And I thought if I let him know that I am here and I open the door and let him in, I will be . . . So, I tip toed all the way back to my parents bedroom and sat on the floor, behind their bed... and listened to him knocking, what seemed like forever! LOL! He knocked for about 30 minutes! Finally, he left! WHEW! Close call. I was 16. Thank God for this country now, after slavery, and their age of consent. WHEW! I did not consent, but I'm sure he could have sweet talked me into . . .
  7. Chevdove

    Kevin Hart Shows Some Heart

    If it is now admitted that scientifically, DNA shows Biological males are originated from the African man and the Bible states that the adversary is against the PREISTHOOD, than don't you think that this aim is against Black African men espeically and to get them to accept homosexual bonding as normal and this as being possibly part of the 'nefarious plan' and goal, that is to strike down mankind [all mankind] but especially the original mankind ultimately? I am not against homosexual man bonding for life, but I am against raping little boys, Black AFrican boys with the purpose of racism, domination and control. That is pure evil. That is so NOT true but can you give me an example, since you are so sure about that? That is so NOT true but can you give me an example, since you are so sure about that? I know i didn't get my science degree from a high college, but it was accredited, I have applied my education and contrasted and compared, so I beg to differ with you on that score. The Bible is ancient written and published works by many different human beings and it was based on science. @Troy This is so NOT true! But the best way that I can express this point is to ask you or anyone that believes that we modern humans are closer to Gorillas than Neanderthals would be these types of questions. Neanderthals are proven to speak intelligent languages and have other behaviors like making fire and etc. so: As of yet today, Have you seen any gorillas driving cars? Have you seen any gorillas building huts or houses? Have you seen any gorillas building camp fires? Has anyone been able to carry on a conversation, talking, with gorrillas? No, we are not as closely related to gorillas as White Supremacist would have you to believe.
  8. Chevdove

    Kevin Hart Shows Some Heart

    @Cynique I mentioned this too. And I said that I noticed after 2006, the reports were deliberately changed from the earlier stances about homosexuality in the higher animals. So, I did google to refresh my memory and confirmed this trick. But even though statements are made to try and state a lie, NO SERIOUS SCIENTIST WILL SAY THAT PRIMATES ARE EXHIBITING HOMOSEXUALITY, they specifically say that 'many animals including the primates show HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIORS!!!!!!! LOL. Scientist then go on to defind the difference between these terms 'homosexuality' vs 'homosexual behavior'. They admit that only humans have homosexual bonding relationships and as of yet NOT ANY OTHER ANIMAL DOES THIS.
  9. Chevdove

    Kevin Hart Shows Some Heart

    @Troy I addressed that statement in my post. If scientist say that today many of us, especially Europeans, have Neanderthal DNA, then we today are expressing two different species or origin! Therefore, it should be obvious that the scientist are NOT summarizing the complete truth. If two species mate and have an offspring, and that offspring continues to reproduce then, both species are represented. As I said, the dominant presence is extinct but the recessive form is still here since we today still express this DNA continually through our reproduction. A mule is the offspring of a male donkey (jack) and a female horse (mare). [1][12] Horses and donkeys are different species, with different numbers of chromosomes. Of the two F1 (first generation hybrids) between these two species, a mule is easier to obtain than a hinny, which is the offspring of a female donkey (jenny) and a male horse (stallion) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule Still today, there are DONKEYS, and MARES and MULES and etc. being born and, therefore, the Mules shows that DONKEYS are not extinct and also MARES and not extinct. A MULES would be a hybrid of both and would not this mean that the mule is also part donkey and part horse? How can the horse or donkey be extinct then? Well considering the formation of this system in that it concentrated on dominating THE DARK CONTINENT, it would seem that it is a part of the White Supremacist Movement. I would find it hard to believe that in all of the victims of chattel slavery that homosexual acts was not committed. @Pioneer1 Thank you!!!!!! @Cynique I'm not an authority on this subject, but just sharing my research and opinion. But if white scientist are saying that the Biological Male that correlates to their Y-DNA HAPLOID grouping, BASAL A [basal Adam] that is in all Y-DNA CHROMOSOMES all originate from BLack Africa then, how is that advancing white supremacy?
  10. This is interesting idea. I lack knowledge on what metaphysics actually means, but I like the theme of your book. I am still searching to understand how mataphysics correlates to the other topics you pose, science and philosophy. I am also curious about how your concept deals with Blackness as a whole concept. Anyway, sounds very interesting!
  11. @Troy I googled last night, and I think the laws have changed. I only saw, Mexico as being the one country that might allow someone that young to marry but they say it is complicated and based on other issues. I think the US has changed that stance a while back. just like the law of 'smoking cigarettes' or 'drinking alcohol', the government has taken the decision out of the parents jurisdiction and preside over these laws, thank God! Because I think Myra was exploited for all that money! Anyway, here are some references that I saw last night: THE AGE OF CONSENT: ALABAMA 16 Alabama statutory rape law is violated when an individual over age 18 (or 16 or older if the victim is at least 2 years younger than the offender) engages in sexual intercourse with a person over the age of 12 and under age 16. The Alabama Age of Consent is 16 years old. In the United States, the age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 15 or younger in Alabama are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape. https://www.ageofconsent.net/states/alabama VIRGINIA 18 years old In Virginia, the age of consent is 18 years old. At that age, a person may legally consent to sex with any other adult, regardless of the age difference between them. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/virginia-age-of-consent-lawyers.html NEW YORK 17 years old In New York, the age of consent for sex is 17 years old. This applies to men and women, and applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct. However, as in many other states, New York has allowances for minors who are below the age of consent but are close to the same age. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/new-york-age-of-consent-lawyers.html GEORGIA 16 In Georgia, the age of consent to engage in sex is 16. However, there can be no conviction for statutory rape in Georgia based only on the unsupported testimony of the victim. There must be some additional evidence https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/georgia-age-of-consent-lawyers.html 16 RICHMOND — Only adults can get married in Virginia, according to a new law replacing policies that made it possible for a girl 13 or younger to marry if she had parental consent and was pregnant. The law, which took effect Friday, sets the minimum marriage age at18, or 16 if a child is emancipated by court order.Jul 3, 2016 https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&authuser=0&ei=lQsSXOQn0O3mAs_5KA&q=legal+age+to+marry+in+va&oq=legal+age+to+ma&gs_l=psy-ab.1.2.0l10.26706.33402..38292...0.0..1.114.2469.36j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i71j0i67j0i131.awKGNWvoX4Q If you want to get married without parental consent, you need to be at least 18 years old in 48 of the 50 states in the United States. ... Parental consent is needed in Alabama and Utah at age 14, and in Nebraska and Oregon, the age is 17. The ages for males and females to marry differs in some states. https://family-law.freeadvice.com/family-law/marriage/parental-consent.htm Truth, but I still want to emphasize though, even if a White young girl or female in general has become the victim of rape, then that is horrible and it is a terrible act of human violation.
  12. Chevdove

    Kevin Hart Shows Some Heart

    @Troy I'm not sure what you are getting at. Homosexuality is used to hurt Black Africans, but I don't see it as being either White or Black, rather I see it as a method used to come against the Biological Male World and this begins with the Modern Homonids, meaning THE BLACK AFRICAN MAN. That Y-DNA that goes back to THE BLACK AFRICAN MAN. This homosexual ploy is aimed against BLACK AFRICA and absolutely the men of this whole world whether, White European or Native American or etc. So, absolutely many of THE WHITE 'RACE' of men and women who are aware of this exploitation against manhood is just as angry as anyone should be with common sense. But the beginning of it is that it struck against the Original Black AFrican mankind. MARK THIS STATEMENT @Troy !!! You are using the word 'RACE'!!! That is the wrong word to use! This word is used to put forth confusion. There are different species of HOMONIDS and the HOMO-NEADERTHALS are DISTINCT frome the HOMO-SAPIENS. The Homo-Neanderthalensis are MARKED as being intersexed and mutated. They are a mutated version of the Denisovan. the name descriptions given of these beings are based on our language today but they are well classified and proven to have intermixed with the Homo-Sapiens. Their DNA is distinct. They are NOT extinct. That is a deception. They are distinct in the dominant form, but not the recessive form!!!!!!! As I said before, I can perfectly accept intersexed people today, but to deceive and miseducate the Black AFrican world on how they intermixed with the modern man and now, hide history is pure evil. Don't you understand what happened in ancient Egypt? This is the very reason why Moses freaked out. He was surrounded by these intersexed homosexual-pedophiles. It doesn't matter how fair skinned Black AFrican people are, if they come from the African origin, they are distinct from the species today, that express this intersex presence. IF A PERSON IS BORN INTERSEXED, then that means they are born with y-dna or the sry-gene that can only come from y-dna. That means they are scientifically MALES. This is an origin NOT OF THE AFRICAN MAN!!!!!!!!! So many times, they can choose to live as being male or female depending on many issues, but scientifically as the Bible states, they are MALES because of the Y-DNA. This is the origin of the confusion of homosexuality going on today.
  13. @Troy I posted last night and googled Jerry Lee Lewis, or did I miss another example that you linked? As I did say, the laws today shows that he would have been in a lot of trouble today and this shows that the world did not accept his actions as being acceptable in the least. It seems obvious that because he became wealthy and famous, the parents of the 13-year-old Myra sacrificed theire daughter for the money, but the masses in both London and the US freaked out! So, the perspective then and now, is that this is completely unacceptable. She even became pregnant and had a son that died by drowning and then she had a daughter that not much is mentioned about. I think this too, has to deal with her being too young and also, they were 'second cousins' and the likelihood of birth defects is kind of hight when it comes to this issue! So then, if the White world responded as they did against Jerry Lee Lewis for doing this awful thing, then the subject of the leader of the NOI should become obvious in that he too should have been confronted in his actions. Most of all, Black girls don't get the financial compensation for that kind of predatory action coming from Black men or in the past, slave masters. Let me tell you, I taught Middle School, and the young Black girls 'pop out' meaning, they develop more curves, breast, and etc. much more than the young white girls and were scrutinized negatively much more that the young white girls, nevertheless, they are still so young and they act so innocent, both the white girls and the black girls and etc. The Black female teachers all agreed that the young black girls were being treated wrong in terms of calling their parents and sending them home for not dressing approprately. It was completely obvious. The young white girls wore their skirts extremely short and were never sent home, but the black girls were shamed and sent home! Black girls seem to be treated as if they are grown women, loose women' but the white young girls are treated correctly, like little girls. It is ridiculous. I think it is a conditioning that not only comes from White racism, but many Black people feed into this issue negatively too. @Pioneer1 You mentioned 'puberty'. That begins at the age of about 12 for many females. Yes, I wouldn't think that the teenagers were as young as 12 or 13, but nevertheless, thankfully, some of the NOI followers responded and did not go along with his actions, but I don't think it was adequate enough based on what happened to Malcolm X [ie Malik]. I didn't know his name was Malik.
  14. Chevdove

    Kevin Hart Shows Some Heart

    @Pioneer1 Thank you! You know, in the past, I have tried to find a good bio of him, because I thought there would have been more information other than just being linked to the late Dr. Francis. However, I can appreciate his statments. @Troy I don't know where or what source you have gotten your proof and statistic data from, but based on other information, I would agree that the white men (white world) are much more numerous in this 'gay' status than the Black world. However in terms of 'conspiracy' why then, after the 8 years of the Obama campaign for this 'Change' that became more defined in his second term, did it have to be 'a Black African President' to cause this law to become 'the poster child for the Black AFrican world'!? In this respect, it doesn't matter that there are more gay white men in the US than Black men, because the world now equates this status to Black men; thanks to Obama. So therefore, the conspiracy was directed toward Black African Americans. We are the ones, like KEvin Hart, being under watch on how we accept this law. It really makes me angry.
  15. I think this question can be answered based on the conditioning and circumstances. I think a very, very, very long time ago before there was fire power, a time when women had to depend on men for protection, women may have adapted to this natural issue and became 'more intuitive' in how to approach certain obstacles and this may have made us more keen 'on the average'. And then too, as a result of male dominance and oppressive methods in how they mistreated women, this circumstance caused the average woman to have to be more 'smarter' than the average man. And, I think too, that this is a good topic because it may cause people to think about the gender conflicts of today and gain a better approach to understanding each other.
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